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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:2335.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:1655.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Opening Remarks:  Goals and Benefits of NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:1668.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Implementation, Edward Tabor, M.D. .......... 6</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:1846.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Michael Chudy, M.D. ........................ 50</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:1874.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT Implementation:  Regulation in Japan,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:1887.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Masaharu Nakajima, M.D. .................... 58</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:1915.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Standardization and Quality Assurance of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:1928.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT, John Saldanha, Ph.D. .................. 65</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:1956.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><b><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">II.  Experience with NAT for Donor Screening (HCV,</FONT></FONT></b></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:1997.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Moderators:  Andrew Dayton, M.D., and Robin</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:2010.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Biswas, M.D. ......................... 77</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2065.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">National Genetics Institute (NG), Andrew</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2079.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Conrad, Ph.D. .............................. 77</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2106.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Baxter Hyland Immuno, Don Baker, Ph.D. ..... 84</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2133.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Alpha, Charles Heldebrant, Ph.D. ........... 87</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2161.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Centeon, Alan Liss, Ph.D. .................. 93</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2188.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Bayer/Roche, Brian Renoe, Ph.D. ............ 96</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2216.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><b><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Blood Bank</FONT></FONT></b></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2243.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Gen-Probe, Christina Giachetti, Ph.D. ..... 102</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2270.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">American Red Cross (ARC), Susan Stramer,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:2284.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Ph.D. ............................... 109</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:3127.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:3127.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:3127.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2419.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">America's Blood Centers (ABC), Sally</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:2433.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Caglioti, MT(ASP)SBB ................ 120</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2460.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Roche/ABC, Michael Strong, M.D. ........... 128</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2488.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Association of Independent Blood Centers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2501.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(AIBE), Richard Gammon, M.D. .............. 134</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:2529.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><b><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">III.  Implementation Issues:  Trade Organization</FONT></FONT></b></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2542.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><b><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Perspectives</FONT></FONT></b></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2570.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><b><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Moderators:</FONT></FONT></b></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:280.80pt;top:2570.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Mary Elizabeth Jacobs, Ph.D.,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2583.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Paul Mied, Ph.D. .......................... 146</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2611.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">AIBC, Richard Gammon, M.D. ................ 147</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2638.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">AABB, Kay Gregory, M.S., MT(ASCP)SBB ...... 155</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2666.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">American Red Cross, Susan Stramer, M.D. ... 158</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2693.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ABC, Celso Bianco, M.D. ................... 164</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2720.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ABC, Sally Caglioti, MT(ASCP)SBB .......... 171</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2748.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ABC, Michael Strong, M.D. ................. 176</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2775.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ABRA, Chris Healey ........................ 178</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2802.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Panel Discussion .......................... 182</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:2830.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><b><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">IV.  NAT for Parvovirus B 19; Moderators:</FONT></FONT></b></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:453.60pt;top:2830.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Mei-Ying</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2843.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Yu, Ph.D., Thomas Lynch, Ph.D.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2871.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Regulatory Aspects, Thomas Lynch, Ph.D. ... 200</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2898.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Experience with NAT:  Parvovirus B19</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2925.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Vitex, Aris Lazo, Ph.D. ................... 205</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2953.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Centeon, Thomas Weimer, Ph.D. ............. 211</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2980.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Baxter Hyland Immuno, Gerold Zerlauth,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:2994.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Ph.D. ..................................... 215</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:3021.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NGI, Andrew Conrad, Ph.D. ................. 219</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:3049.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Discussion ................................ 222</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:3919.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:3919.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:3919.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:3211.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><b><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Moderator:  Edward Tabor, M.D.</FONT></FONT></b></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:3239.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Gen-Probe, Sheryl McDonough, Ph.D. ......... 234</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:3266.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Roche, James Gallarda, Ph.D. .............. 244</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:3293.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">University of Gottingen, Germany,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:3307.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Klause-Heinrich Heerman, Ph.D. ............ 250</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:3334.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">University of Cambridge, U.K., Professor</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:3348.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Jean-Pierre Allain, M.D. .................. 256</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:3375.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Discussion</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:3403.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><b><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Moderator:  Edward Tabor, M.D.</FONT></FONT></b></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:3430.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><b><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Discussants:</FONT></FONT></b></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:288.00pt;top:3430.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Celso Bianco, M.D., Michael</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:3444.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Busch, M.D., Ph.D., Michael Chudy, Ph.D.,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:3458.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Roger Dodd, Ph.D., Jay Epstein, M.D.,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:3471.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Steven Kleinman, M.D., Paul McCurdy, M.D.,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:3485.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Masaharu, Nakajima, M.D., John Saldanha,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:3499.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Ph.D., Susan Stramer, Ph.D. ............... 263</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:4696.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4711.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:4711.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:255.60pt;top:4014.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><u><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S</FONT></FONT></u></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:439.20pt;top:4042.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(8:04 a.m.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:4069.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Welcome to the Workshop on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4096.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Implementation of Nucleic Acid Testing.  I'm Edward</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4124.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Tabor, Associate Director for Medical Affairs in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4151.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Office of Blood.  Unfortunately, Dr. Indira Hewlett, who</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4178.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was going to be playing a major part in this workshop,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4206.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is unable to be here because of illness.  She's just</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4233.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">returned from a trip to the Far East and I certainly</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4261.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hope she has a domestic, rather than a foreign illness.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:4288.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Anyway, we wish her well.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:4315.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We are in the midst of a scientific</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4343.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">revolution in blood and plasma safety, truly a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4370.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">revolution.  This revolution is associated with the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4397.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementation of nucleic acid amplification testing,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4425.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">known by its abbreviation NAT to detect viruses and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4452.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">other pathogens in blood.  It is a revolution of great</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4479.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">significance because it moves the detection of potential</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4507.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viral and other contaminants of blood for transfusion</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4534.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">into the realm of molecular biology and because, in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4562.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">long run, it may permit us to eliminate some organisms</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4589.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for which efficient immunologic assays have not yet been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4616.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">developed.  This technology also may permit the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4644.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">simultaneous detection of numerous, diverse infectious</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5503.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:5503.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:5503.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4806.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">agents in one highly sensitive assay system.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:4834.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">One of the most common forms of NAT, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4861.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">polymerase chain reaction test was invented in the early</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4888.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">1980s and it came into relatively wide use in research</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4916.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">laboratories for the detection of viral nucleic acids by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4943.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">1988.  A review of this technology at an FDA-sponsored</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4970.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">workshop held in September 1994 concluded that practical</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:4998.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">application of it, for making blood and plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5025.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">derivatives safer, was not possible at that time.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5053.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test was expensive and time- consuming to run.  It</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5080.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">lacked automation and high throughput.  Contamination of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5107.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fresh samples by amplified gene sequences, known as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5135.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">amplicons, from previous test runs was a difficult</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5162.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">problem.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:5189.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The very concept of trying to test 25</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5217.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">million units of blood and plasma each year and getting</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5244.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the results back to the right place in time to interdict</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5271.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the use of infectious products was a daunting challenge.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:5299.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">However, over the next several years, additional</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5326.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">developments reduced the importance of these problems.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:5354.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Commercial manufacturing of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5381.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">semi-automated and automated test kits in large</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5408.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">quantities reduced the time it took to run the tests.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:152.20pt;top:5436.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Special pipette tips, known as positive displacement</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:6280.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6295.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:6295.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:6295.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5598.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pipette tips, prevented carryover of contaminants in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5626.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">aerosol droplets adhering to the pipette beneath the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5653.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">disposable tips.  The use of DUTP in place to TTP as a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5680.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">nucleotide in the amplification process in NAT screening</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5708.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for blood, permitted the inclusion of an enzyme urasyl</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5735.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">n-glycosylase in each new sample mixture to destroy</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5762.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contaminating amplicons which, unlike native DNA, would</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5790.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contain hydrolyzable DUTP.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:5817.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">However, the most important innovation was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5845.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a concept, rather than a gadget.  Although screening</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5872.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tests for viral markers on pooled samples had been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5899.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">conducted previously in some countries outside the U.S.,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5927.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">it was FDA's decision in 1996 to permit such screening</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5954.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on minipools under IND applications that accelerated the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:5981.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pace of the development and application of this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6009.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">technology.  Enough was known about the assays that were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6036.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">proposed that there was general agreement that the blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6063.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and plasma supply would be safer as a result of this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6091.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">policy.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:6118.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The philosopher Wittgenstein once said,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6146.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">"The aspects of things that are most important for us</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6173.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are hidden because of their simplicity."  This applies</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:6200.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to the remarkable, but simple innovation of combining</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6228.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">minipool testing and matrix analysis to identify a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:7072.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7087.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:7087.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:7087.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6390.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contaminated unit.  The use of the minipool reduced the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6418.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cost of the testing by necessitating fewer tests than</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6445.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">would be needed if individual units were tested.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6472.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">use of matrix analysis permitted rapid donor</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6500.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">identification in order to remove the infected unit</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6527.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">without discarding the entire minipool.  Donor</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6554.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">identification also permitted deferral of the donor from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6582.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">possible future donations and notification enabled the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6609.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donor to seek early medical attention and to take</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6637.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">precautions to prevent spread of infection to close</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6664.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contacts.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:6691.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Subsequently, modifications in NAT methods</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6719.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">by some manufacturers increased the sensitivity of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6746.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing.  Today, most tests that are currently under</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6773.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">investigation can detect as few as 20 to 50 viral copies</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6801.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">per mL with the high rate of reproducibility.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:6828.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The ability of testing facilities to get the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6855.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">results back to the collecting facilities within a few</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6883.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">days with the positive unit correctly identified so that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6910.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the positive unit or its components would not be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6938.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">transfused into patients is being made possible by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6965.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">logistic innovations and computer technology.  This</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:6992.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">aspect of NAT related technology is still under</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7020.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">development, particularly with regard to platelets</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:7864.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7879.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:7879.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:7879.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7182.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because of their shelf life of only five days.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:7210.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">A major change in public perception of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7237.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood safety also contributed to this revolution.  In</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7264.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the late 1970s, during the first five years after the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7292.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">introduction of sensitive tests for hepatitis B surface</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7319.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antigen, the elimination of most of the cases of post-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7346.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">transfusion hepatitis B was considered such a marvelous</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7374.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">improvement in blood safety that the remaining rare</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7401.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cases were considered minimal.  In fact, at that time</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7429.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">there was no hope felt for eliminating, in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7456.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">foreseeable future, what we now call window period cases</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7483.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and perhaps other cases in which the virus, for some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7511.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reason, is present at levels below the limits of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7538.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detection.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:7565.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Of course, it was soon recognized that an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7593.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">even greater remaining problem was non-A, non-B</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7620.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hepatitis, now known to have been mostly due to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7647.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hepatitis C virus and that problem was indeed vigorously</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7675.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">attacked in laboratories around the world.  But the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7702.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">epidemic of human immunodeficiency virus type 1</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7730.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">infection brought a new level of concern to the public</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7757.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and particularly to users of plasma derivatives.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7784.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">public and their representatives in Congress began to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7812.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">expect a zero-risk goal for blood safety.  This resulted</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:8656.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8671.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:8671.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:8671.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:7974.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in efforts in research and in regulatory policy to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8002.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">eliminate even those few units containing residual virus</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8029.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that could be transmitted by blood or plasma infusion.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:8056.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">During the past two years the FDA has</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8084.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">permitted the interim application of NAT testing of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8111.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">minipools under INDs.  This has permitted the public to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8138.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">benefit from that screening of blood and plasma for HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8166.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and HIV, while ensuring that proper studies are done to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8193.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">validate the assays and to validate the logistics of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8221.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">interdicting potentially infectious units and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8248.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">identifying and notifying infected donors.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:8275.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">By the beginning of December 1999 -- this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8303.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">month -- it was expected that approximately 99 percent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8330.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of plasma and 80 percent of blood collected in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8357.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">United States for transfusion or for further manufacture</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8385.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">into plasma derivatives was being tested by NAT to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8412.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detect HCV and HIV.  The prevalence of testing was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8439.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">expected to reach 99 percent for both blood and plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8467.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">by the end of this month, the end of December 1999.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:8494.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Increasingly, the results are being made</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8522.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">available soon enough to identify infected units before</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8549.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the components are infused into a patient.  Also, some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8576.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">companies have begun to develop mechanisms to permit</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8604.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individual unit testing under INDs and probably we will</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:9448.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9463.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:9463.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:9463.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8766.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be hearing more about this important advance today.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:8794.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Well, what does NAT offer us in the future?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:152.10pt;top:8821.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The likelihood of individual unit testing within the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8848.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">next few years should eliminate nearly all transmission</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8876.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of HCV and HIV by blood transfusion.  The risk of these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8903.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">infections from plasma derivatives is already zero when</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8930.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the inactivation and removal steps in manufacturing are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8958.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">carried out correctly.  But there are other potential</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:8985.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">future benefits as well.  One possible benefit is the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9013.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">possibility of the near elimination of the transmission</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9040.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of hepatitis B virus by blood transfusion when single</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9067.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">unit HBV NAT is introduced.  Another possible benefit,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9095.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the elimination of the transmission of viruses that are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9122.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">not affected by currently available inactivation steps</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9149.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in the manufacture of plasma derivatives, viruses such</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9177.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as human Parvovirus B-19 and hepatitis A virus.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:9204.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Another possible benefit, the simultaneous</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9231.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">screening for multiple blood-borne pathogens in one</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9259.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitive assay.  Another possible benefit, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9286.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">elimination of bacterial infections as a complication of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9314.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">transfusion, particularly as a complication of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9341.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">transfusion of platelets.  Transfusion-transmitted</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9368.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">bacterial infections are now a cause of 10 to 15 percent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9396.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of transfusion-related fatalities.  The use of NAT with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:9522pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:9522pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:9522pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:9521.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">13</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:10240.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10255.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:10255.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:10255.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9558.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">micro-array technology could permit rapid screening for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9586.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a large number of bacterial species at one time.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9613.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Another possible benefit, the identification of new</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9640.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">agents, such as the causative agent of what we know as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9668.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">non-A to E hepatitis and their eventual elimination as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9695.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">causes of transfusion- transmitted disease.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:9722.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I want to thank in advance all of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9750.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">speakers who will be participating in today's workshop</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9777.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and also all of you who have come a long distance to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9805.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">attend the workshop.  I know that the presentations that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9832.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we will hear today will be a valuable resource for those</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9859.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">working with this rapidly advancing technology.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:9887.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The first session is titled Regulatory</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9914.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Perspectives and Issues and I'd like to introduce the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9941.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">first speaker, Dr. Michael Busch, who is well known to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9969.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">all of you, who will be speaking on Estimates of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:9996.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Residual Risk in Infectious Disease Transmission During</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10023.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the Window Period.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:10051.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Dr. Busch?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:10078.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BUSCH:  Thank you, Ed.  I was asked to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10106.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">briefly review the current risk estimates and then focus</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10133.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on window period characteristics to estimate the yield</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10160.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of both minipool and single donation NAT screening.  And</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10188.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">then toward the end I'll present a little bit of data</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:11032.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11047.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:11047.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:11047.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10350.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with respect to yield, some recent work on cost-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10378.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">effectiveness, and also a little bit of discussion</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10405.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">around some future studies that are in the planning</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10432.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">stages to address some of the still- unresolved</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10460.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">questions.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:10487.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Just to begin, it's important to recognize</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10514.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">how far we've come.  This slide is from some work with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10542.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Jim AuBuchon, just summarizing the risk of HIV,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10569.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hepatitis B and hepatitis C over the last several</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10597.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">decades and each of these points is actually an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10624.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">empirically derived or in the very recent data, modeled</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10651.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">estimates of risk, based mostly on National Institutes</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10679.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of Health-funded studies.  And what you can see is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10706.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">really profound reductions in risk.  This is a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10733.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">logarithmic scale, from risk estimates in the one</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10761.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent or so range for HIV and hepatitis C, down to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10788.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">risk estimates in the range of less than 1 in 100,000</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10815.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for the hepatitis viruses and about one in a half a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10843.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">million for HIV and HTLV.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:10898.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In the last few years, our group in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10925.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">REDS study group, and particularly Steven Kleinman and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10952.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">myself, have endeavored to try to understand the sources</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:10980.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of residual risk and we focused on estimates that relate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:11106pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:11106pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:11106pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:11105.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">15</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:11824.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11839.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:11839.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:11839.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11142.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to the window period based on modeling, the incidence</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11170.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">rate times the duration of the window period to estimate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11197.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">risk or project yield of new tests, understanding of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11224.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">potential contribution of viral variance that may be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11252.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">immunologically divergent and not tested by the -- not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11279.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detected accurately by the tests that are typically</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11306.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">based on a single strain prototype, concern over</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11334.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">immunosilent infections or carriers who fail to form</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11361.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antibody and testing errors.  A fair bit of work has</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11389.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">gone on both in this country and overseas to really</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11416.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">understand the prevalence of these various types of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11443.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">risk.  From that analysis we've derived estimates for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11471.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">each of the major agents, for each of these different</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11498.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sources of risk as well as the sum total for all of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11525.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these sources of risk.  And fortunately, in this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11553.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">country, contributions from viral variants is extremely</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11580.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">small, that these unusual variants are very rare and the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11607.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tests, I think, the companies, with a lot of FDA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11635.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">encouragement, have been very proactive to maintain a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11662.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">global surveillance for new variants and modify and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11690.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">improve the tests to be able to detect these.  So</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11717.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">certainly in the States, viral variants contribute very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11744.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">little.  Unusual seroconverters or so-called</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11772.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">immunosilent carrier is very rare.  We'll come back to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:12616.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12631.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:12631.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:12631.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11934.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HCV a little bit later.  There has been controversy and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11962.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">continues to be some data to suggest that there may be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:11989.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">more frequent HCV infected persons who fail to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12016.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconvert, but certainly it's, I think, been shown to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12044.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be fairly rare.  And in tests there, I think we'll hear</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12071.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a little bit from the Red Cross later about observing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12098.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">some test error with NAT testing that corroborates an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12126.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">estimate that's impressed, that estimates that around 1</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12153.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in 200 to 300 test performed in blood banks routinely</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12181.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">may be erroneously run for various reasons, but the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12208.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contribution of test error to risk is very small because</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12235.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">an error has to occur on a seropositive unit in order</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12263.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for that unit to be released.  So what you see here is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12290.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a fairly small number of estimated transmissions or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12317.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations that are infected and missed due to test</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12345.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">error.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:12372.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So walking through these, we see fairly</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12399.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">small contributions to risk from all of the sources,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12427.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">other than the window period and it's really therefore,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12454.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the window period estimates that are the critical</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12482.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sources of the risk and the critical target of nucleic</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12509.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">acid screening.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:12536.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And we were challenged, back at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12564.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">conference Dr. Tabor alluded to, by Dr. Kessler back in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:13408.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13423.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:13423.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:13423.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12726.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">1994 to move forward, to bring the new technology of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12754.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">nucleic acid amplification to really eliminate the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12781.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">window period and it was this challenge that I think set</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12808.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the ball in motion, set the government to both fund and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12836.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">put a fair bit of regulatory direction in front of us to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12863.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">move into bringing forward nucleic acid testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:12890.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The window period is again the major target</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12918.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of the screening.  To understand the window period, one</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12945.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">needs to really look at data from a number of different</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:12973.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sources.  As we'll see as I go through the data, we've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13000.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">done a lot of work on units from seroconverting plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13027.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donors where these have been compiled into panels of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13055.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">serial specimens collected usually at two-times-a-week</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13082.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">intervals from plasma donors and these have been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13109.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">extremely valuable to characterize the time course and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13137.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the dynamics of markers during the window period.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:13164.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">There are also important data coming from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13191.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cases with known exposure dates, be these transfusion-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13219.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">related transmissions or needle-stick accidents and I'll</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13246.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">show you a little bit of data from each of those in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13274.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">presentations in a few minutes.  These are important</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13301.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because these are the types of situations where we can</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13328.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">actually ascertain the time from exposure to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13356.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion or to detectable viremia.  This is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:14200.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14215.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:14215.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:14215.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13518.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">important in a concept, that I'll get to in a moment, of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13546.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the eclipse phase.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:13573.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We also have people coming in who have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13600.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">primary syndromes, be it the primary HIV syndrome, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13628.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">flu-like syndrome or hepatitis.  Now these situations</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13655.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">actually are not very informative for the window period</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13682.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because when people present with clinical symptoms,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13710.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">they're usually well into the viremic window phase,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13737.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">usually at peak antigen phase or well into the hepatitis</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13765.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viremia.  So very little information comes from the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13792.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">primary syndrome-type cases in terms of early window</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13819.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">period characteristics.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:13847.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Recipients of seroconverting donors, when</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13874.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one has a seroconverting donor and does look back, one</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13901.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">can derive a relationship between the time interval</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13929.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">between the seropositive and the prior seronegative</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13956.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation and whether or not transmission occurred.  And</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:13983.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from that, one can derive an estimate for an infectious,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14011.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">transmissible window and this was done by Lyle Pederson</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14038.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about a decade ago now for HIV.  These seroconverting</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14066.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donors, though, are so rare today and the frequency of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14093.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">look-back transmission is so rare that actually we've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14120.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">been unable to update these estimates of infectious</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14148.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">window from sort of a human transmission perspective</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:14992.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15007.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:15007.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:15007.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14310.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">over the last decade.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:14338.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Cohort studies are quite valuable and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14365.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">actually I'll show you some data for hepatitis C where</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14392.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we've done some analysis recently of some cohorts for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14420.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hepatitis C viremia from seroconverters in high-risk</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14447.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cohorts and I think, again, an important source of data,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14474.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">although usually the samples in the freezer from these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14502.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cohort subjects are separated by three to six months,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14529.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and so don't give us nearly as refined an understanding</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14557.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as these plasma panels.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:14584.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And finally, animal model studies, which</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14611.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are quite important and I think we're coming back to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14639.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these to understand many of the unanswered questions in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14666.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">terms of when infectivity occurs during the early window</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14693.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">period.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:14721.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The new concept that's kind of evolved over</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14748.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the last few years by combining data from exposure to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14775.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion with the data from plasma panels, for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14803.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">example, is the concept of an early eclipse phase</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14830.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">following exposure before one can detect any evidence of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14858.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viremia in the blood by nucleic acid testing or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14885.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">infectivity studies.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:14912.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So we talk now about an early window period</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:14940.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that probably is not infectious and it cannot be closed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:15784.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15799.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:15799.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:15799.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15102.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with any testing method simply because there is no virus</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15130.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in the blood, followed by the development of infectious</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15157.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viremia.  And this is really the target of nucleic acid</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15184.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing, to close the infectious viremic window period,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15212.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recognizing that we're never going to completely close</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15239.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the theoretical exposure to viremia window phase.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:15266.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">For HIV, we do have some significant data</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15294.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in terms of time from exposure to seroconversion and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15321.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this is from health care workers who acquired HIV from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15349.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a needle-stick or other accident.  And this is data from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15376.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">CDC, Glen Satten analysis, looking at a series of about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15403.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">52 health care workers who became infected and had a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15431.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reasonable sampling of testing after the exposure.  And</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15458.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from this analysis, there was an estimate of around 40</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15485.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">days average time from exposure to seroconversion.  And</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15513.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this was based on a mix of antibody assays in the late</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15540.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">1980s, early 1990s, so we probably estimate today and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15567.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">most data would support that there's probably about a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15595.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">20- to 25-day period from exposure to antibody</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15622.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:15650.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">But we've really gained an enormous insight</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15677.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">into the dynamics and time course is from these plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15704.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion panels.  This is a representative panel</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15732.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">showing the time, somewhat arbitrarily dated here from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:16576.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16591.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:16591.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:16591.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15894.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the date of the first available specimen and then the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15922.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viral load, in this case, quantitative PCR.  We can see</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15949.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that these individuals are giving at usually twice a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:15976.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">week intervals, quite regularly, and then these people</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16004.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are typically detected based on the antibody</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16031.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion in the past.  And then fortunately, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16058.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">companies have retained in the freezers and are now</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16086.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">required to retain for several months the prior</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16113.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations.  So when a donor seroconverts, we can then go</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16141.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">back and retrieve the earlier components and build</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16168.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">panels of serial samples and then go back and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16195.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">characterize them for the development of antibody and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16223.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">other markers.  So here you can see that the antibody</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16250.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">comes up on approximately Day 28 or so.  We can detect</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16277.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antigen for about four or five days prior to antibody</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16305.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and then RNA can be detected in this particular panel a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16332.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">couple days prior to the detection of antigen.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:16359.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">By compiling data from a large number of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16387.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these panels, we can derive figures such as this, which</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16414.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is what's called a box and whisker plot, which divides</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16442.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the time course of viremia up into different stages:</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16469.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the RNA-only period, the p24 antigen EIA negative phase,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16496.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and then on through the development of antibody</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16524.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactivity by EIA and Western blots.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:17383.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:17383.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:16686.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">An analysis of these kind of data can yield</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16714.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">two parameters.  One is the duration of each of these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16741.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">stages.  In this analysis, which is based on the RNA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16768.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">determinations by the Roche monitor assay which has</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16796.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about a 200-copy sensitivity, Glen Satten analyzed this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16823.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">data to yield an estimate of about three and a half days</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16850.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for the RNA-only phase; five days for the p24 antigen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16878.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive pre-antibody phase; and then progressive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16905.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">periods when the EIA is reactive, but the blot negative,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16933.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the blot indeterminant and then going through an early</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16960.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">incomplete Western blot pattern.  What you can also</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:16987.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">determine then is for each of these stages the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17015.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">distribution of viral load during each stage and we can</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17042.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">see that the RNA-only stage, in this case, had an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17069.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">average copy number of a couple thousand and low copy</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17097.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">number, down to the limit of sensitivity of the assay,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17124.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of approximately 100, whereas the p24 antigen phase, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17151.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viral load is typically much higher.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:17179.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In a more recent analysis of data, actually</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17206.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from alpha and NGI, we've looked at the distribution of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17234.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viral load in the RNA-only phase, versus the p24 antigen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17261.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pre-seroconversion phase for a larger number of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17288.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversions.  I think this is based on around 40 or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17316.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">50 seroconverters and we have a fairly large number,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18175.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:18175.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:18175.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17478.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">both of RNA-only samples and of p24 antigen positive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17506.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">samples.  This RNA assay was also more sensitive,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17533.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitivity down to the 100-copy or so range.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:17560.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This distribution then lets us look at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17588.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">-- a more formal analysis of the viral load distribution</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17615.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and in this analysis for the p24 antigen-positive phase,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17642.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the median copy number is 140,000 and the 2.5 percent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17670.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">confidence limit, so in other words, you detect 97.5</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17697.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent of the antigenemic samples had copy numbers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17725.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">estimated at greater than 7,000 copies.  So this is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17752.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">important because this is a parameter that's sort of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17779.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">been floated as a target goal that we, in introducing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17807.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">minipool NAT, one of the objectives is obviously to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17834.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">replace the antigen assay and in order to do that with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17861.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">high confidence the assay should have at least 7,000</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17889.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">copy sensitivity, the minipool NAT assay.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:17916.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In contrast, if we want to completely close</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17943.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the RNA window we would basically have to have an assay</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17971.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that's extraordinarily sensitive because the RNA-only</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:17998.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">phase has samples that do have copy numbers down at 100</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18026.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">copies or less.  The median copy number is about 2,000.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:18053.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So during the RNA-only phase, the viral load is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18080.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">substantially lower than can be confidentially detected</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18108.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">uniformly with minipool NAT.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18967.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:18967.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:18967.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:18270.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This is some data from Sue Stramer,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18298.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">directly, empirically kind of addressing the issue of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18325.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">can we comfortably eliminate the p24 antigen assay once</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18352.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we introduce minipool NAT and Sue took a large number of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18380.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">samples, 92 samples, from 25 seroconverting panels and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18407.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ran those samples at the 1 to 128 dilution that is the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18434.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">dilution that Red Cross was operating at.  And she was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18462.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">able to demonstrate 100-percent detection.  So all of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18489.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these samples that were antigen positive had very high</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18517.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">copy number of RNA.  And in addition, there were 21</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18544.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">samples that were detected as RNA-positive that were p24</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18571.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antigen-negative and they were detected even at the 1 to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18599.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">128 dilution.  So data like this for HIV is very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18626.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reassuring that we can not only replace the p24 antigen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18653.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test, but interdict and identify a number of additional</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18681.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viremic specimens.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:18708.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We've gone a little bit further in terms of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18735.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">modeling the antigen-RNA relationship and this slide</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18763.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">summarizes a correlation analysis between the level of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18790.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">RNA and the S to CO range of the p24 antigen assay.  To</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18818.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ask the question of what is the cut-off of the -- what's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18845.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the RNA concentration at the cut-off of the p24 antigen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18872.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assay.  So this is a regression analysis of 146 samples</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:18900.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from seroconversion panels.  And what this tells us is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19759.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:19759.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:19759.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19062.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that the cut-off of the p24 antigen assay is just almost</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19090.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">exactly at 10,000 genome equivalence per mL.  So that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19117.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">would tell us that as long as our nucleic acid screening</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19144.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test in the context, for example, of minipool screening</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19172.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is as sensitive as 10,000 copies, it should detect every</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19199.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">single seroconverter who is detected by antigen at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19226.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cut off-of the antigen assay.  So again, another</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19254.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">parameter that's useful as we try to set a target</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19281.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">objective for minipool screening.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:19309.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now as we try to project back, that's kind</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19336.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of empiric analysis of hard numbers.  As we've tried to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19363.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">project back to the RNA load prior to the detection of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19391.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">RNA, we've used a parameter called the doubling time, so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19418.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we've taken these panels and we've looked at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19445.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">particularly the early ramp-up phase prior to any</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19473.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antibody during which the RNA levels are increasing and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19500.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">derive the slope and using that slope we can estimate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19527.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the doubling time or the rate at which the virus is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19555.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">increasing in the concentration in plasma or time.  And</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19582.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for HIV we've recently updated this analysis and the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19610.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">doubling time is estimated at approximately 30 hours, so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19637.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the concentration of virus in the plasma doubles every</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19664.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">30 hours.  But in addition, using that slope, we can</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19692.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">back-estimate a theoretical concentration of virus at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:20536.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20551.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:20551.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:20551.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19854.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">earlier time points for each seroconverter.  And using</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19882.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this projection approach here, you can see that in this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19909.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">population of seroconverting plasma donors, we would</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19936.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">estimate that there would be a single copy of RNA per</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19964.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mL, about 20 days before the peak viremia.  And this is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:19991.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">quite consistent with the number I alluded to earlier of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20018.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">approximately a 20 day period from exposure to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20046.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detectable virus.  So this suggests that perhaps there</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20073.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">might be infectivity existing prior to RNA for a period</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20101.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of five or ten days.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:20128.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">But more recently, in collaboration with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20155.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Harvey Alter and J.P. Allain, we've begun to do studies</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20183.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in chimpanzees that are directly asking the question of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20210.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">when does infectivity occur during the eclipse phase.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:20237.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And this paper was published a few months ago in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20265.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><u><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Transfusion </FONT></u><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and what was done in this sort of pilot</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20292.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seminal experiment that is now being expanded was to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20319.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">take a chimpanzee and infect that animal with HIV and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20347.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">draw blood from that animal on actually twice weekly</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20374.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">bases through the early seroconversion window period.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:20402.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And that first animal detected detectable viremia about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20429.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">five weeks following inoculation and then finally</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20456.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconverted out at Week 8.  Now the blood and plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:21328.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21343.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:21343.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:21343.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20646.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">frozen away and then after the characterization of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20674.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">window period virology, we went back and took material</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20701.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from bleeds extending back several bleeds prior to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20728.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detectable viremia and used that material to inoculate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20756.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a second chimpanzee to ask the question of when did</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20783.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">infectivity occur relative to the ability to detect</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20810.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">virus by amplification methods or culture.  And what was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20838.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discovered was that the sample collected two weeks</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20865.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">before viremia was not infectious, this second chimp did</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20893.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">not become infected.  Likewise, the sample collected a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20920.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">week before detectable viremia, a full month into the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20947.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">eclipse phase was, again, not infectious in a secondary</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:20975.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">passage attempt.  And finally, the first viremic sample</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21002.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was shown to transmit.  So again, in a single chimp</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21029.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">experiment this study suggests that this eclipse phase</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21057.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is not infectious and even though we can theoretically</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21084.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">project back that there may be a very low copy number in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21111.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the body that we're not able to detect any infectivity</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21139.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">until the time when we can detect the viral RNA.  I'll</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21166.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">close with -- this is really the kind of experiment that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21194.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we're really very interested in expanding, both for HIV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21221.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and hepatitis C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:21248.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Moving on to hepatitis C, it's a very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21276.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">different window period.  With HIV we have this very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:21402pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:21402pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:21402pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:21401.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">28</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:22120.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22135.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:22135.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:22135.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21438.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">rapid ramp-up phase and then quick seroconversion within</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21466.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a week or so.  With HCV, as illustrated in this plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21493.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">panel, we similarly have a very rapid ramp-up phase, but</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21520.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">then there's a very prolonged viremic pre-seroconversion</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21548.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">period, averaging in different studies in the range of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21575.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">50 to 60 days of high-titer viremia prior to antibody</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21602.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion.  And this slide actually again from Sue</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21630.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Stramer shows that this viremia is so high-titer that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21657.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">actually you can't even tell the difference in terms of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21685.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">an S-to-CO ratio or a quantitative analysis of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21712.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">samples, be they tested undiluted or at 128 dilution,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21739.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very consistent detection because the viral load is so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21767.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">high during this prolonged window phase.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:21794.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This is a summary of Sue's data.  I think</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21821.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in this case with NGI, looking at the viral load</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21849.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">distributions particularly focusing out here, during the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21876.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">RNA-only phase prior to antibody and the lower</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21903.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">confidence bound on the viral load distribution during</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21931.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the 60-day or so viremic pre-seroconversion window is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21958.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">around 10,000 copies.  So very, very high copy number</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:21986.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and very amenable, as we'll talk later, to minipool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22013.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:22040.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And Sue again formally looked at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22068.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">question of how many of the window phase samples could</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:22194pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:22194pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:22194pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:22193.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">29</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:22912.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22927.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:22927.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:22927.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22230.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be detected at a high dilution as she addressed the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22258.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">question of the value of minipool testing.  In this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22285.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">particular example from 22 panels looking at two</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22312.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">different lots, I think this is Gen-Probe's assay.  She</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22340.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">determined that at 1 to 128 dilution she could pick up</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22367.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">93 to 94 percent of the samples that could be detected</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22394.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">undiluted.  So a very high proportion of the window</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22422.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">phase samples can be detected at a 1 to 128 dilution and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22449.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I think the majority of those samples that were missed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22477.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">could be detected at the current 1 to 16 dilution</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22504.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">factor.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:22531.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">There were a few surprising observations</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22559.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that are still in need of further study.  For example,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22586.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in a couple of these samples that went negative at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22613.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">1 to 128 dilution, so they were reactive at the NEAT,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22641.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">but went negative at the 1 to 128, the viral load in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22668.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these samples was really quite high, 100,000; 90,000.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.10pt;top:22695.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">These samples should have been readily detectable at a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22723.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">1 to 128 dilution given the sensitivity of the assays.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:152.50pt;top:22750.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This has led to some concern that there may be some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22778.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">aggregation phenomenon going on, complexing or for some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22805.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reason that these samples are not diluting out as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22832.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">predicted based on the viral load, suggesting that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:22860.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">perhaps minipool testing may have some surprises in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:23704.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23719.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:23719.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:23719.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23022.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">terms of matrix effects or failure of seropositives --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23050.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'm sorry, viremic samples to be fully represented when</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23077.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">they're sampled in the context of pipetting to create</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23104.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the pool.  So just one area of continued concern in need</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23132.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of further study.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:23159.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In addition to looking at these plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23186.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconverting panels, we've also done similar analysis</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23214.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of the cohort, the transfusion transmitted viruses study</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23241.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from the late 1980s.  In this population, we have a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23269.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fairly large number, about 100 HCV seroconverting</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23296.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recipients.  The advantage of these samples is that the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23323.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">date of transfusion is known, so you actually know the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23351.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">date that these recipients were infected by transfusion</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23378.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of a known seropositive and we actually have the samples</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23405.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">so we can go back and characterize the viral load and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23433.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the virus itself in the transmitting unit.  That lets us</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23460.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">then really benchmark the time course to detectable</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23487.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viremia relative to the day of exposure, i.e., the day</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23515.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of transfusion.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:23542.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And this is just a representative panel</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23570.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from this cohort showing a very similar pattern of a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23597.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very rapid detection of high level virus, persistent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23624.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">high level plateau viremia prior to the development of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23652.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ALT and full antibody seroconversion.  When we look at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:24496.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24511.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:24511.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:24511.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23814.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a large number of these panels we see that we can</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23842.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detect, this is the serial case number, over on this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23869.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">axis and this is time course following the transfusion.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:23896.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We can detect viral RNA typically with one to two</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23924.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">weeks.   The vast majority of cases, in fact, the very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23951.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">first specimen collected following transfusion is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:23978.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">already viremic and often at peak viremia.  And then</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24006.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">downstream, about 50 to 60 days later, ALT comes up in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24033.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">an antibody seroconversion.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:24061.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In a formal survival analysis of this data</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24088.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">has yielded time estimates for the time from transfusion</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24115.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">or exposure to first detected RNA and that's averaging</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24143.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">around 12 days following exposure,  we can detect virus</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24170.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">RNA.  And then about 50 days after exposure, ALT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24197.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">elevation occurs on average and seroconversion occurs 70</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24225.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to 80 days.  So this gives us again a very consistent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24252.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">finding relative to the plasma seroconversion panels of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24279.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">around a 50-day viremic</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24307.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pre-antibody period.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:24334.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In TTVS like the plasma donor panels, if we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24362.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">look at the viral load during the window period, it</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24389.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">averages 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:225.35pt;top:24388.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">5</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:239.25pt;top:24389.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:277.45pt;top:24388.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">6</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:291.40pt;top:24389.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">copy numbers, so very high viral</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24416.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">load, very amenable to minipool screening.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:24444.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So for HCV this just summarizes, we believe</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:25288.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25303.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:25303.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:25303.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24606.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that on average about 10 to 12 days following exposure</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24634.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">there's a rapid ramp-up of viremia.  Recently, we've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24661.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">begun to characterize the doubling time with some of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24688.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">newer panels that are being identified and it averages,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24716.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">probably, in the range of two to four hours.  So unlike</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24743.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV which is about a 30-hour, relatively slower ramp-up</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24770.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with HCV, an extremely rapid, early ramp-up phase,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24798.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">followed by this plateau, a very high-titer viremia and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24825.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">then, with seroconversion, some down modulation of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24853.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viral load.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:24880.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">One question with hepatitis C, as I alluded</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24907.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to earlier, is the frequency of antibody-negative</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24935.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">chronic carriers.  And I think we'll see some data from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24962.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Alpha later and we'll also hear data from the Whole</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:24989.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Blood sector that supports that these immuno silent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25017.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">prolonged seroconverters are not very common.  Most of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25044.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the pickups that have been observed, where follow up of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25071.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the viremic seronegative donors has been pursued, have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25099.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">demonstrated that the cases that are found as RNA-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25126.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive are seroconverting.  So for example, in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25154.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">early alpha NGI study, they identified 20 RNA-only</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25181.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma donors and when they followed these donors, 16 of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25208.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">them seroconverted, really in a time course exactly as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25236.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">predicted from the earlier modeling work in the range of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:26080.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26095.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:26095.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:26095.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25398.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">50 or 60 days, on average.  There were only four people</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25426.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">who were not documented to seroconvert and none of those</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25453.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were followed beyond one month.  So really, these are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25480.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">probably just failure to adequately enroll and follow</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25508.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these cases.  So really, no evidence from this study of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25535.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a prolonged immunosilent carrier.  There have been case</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25562.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reports.  The French, for example, documented a case and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25590.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reported at the recent ABB meeting of a donor that they</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25617.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detected who was viremic and failed to seroconvert for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25645.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">several years and in fact, had transmitted HCV for years</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25672.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">prior to that.  But I think these cases are very rare.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:25699.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Nonetheless, there are still reports coming</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25727.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">out that are raising concerns over delayed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25754.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversions for HCV.  Most recently, there was a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25781.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">paper in </FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="000000"><u><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Blood </FONT></u><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">just three or four months looking at an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25809.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">injection drug user cohort from Amsterdam.  And in this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25836.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cohort they were following a cohort of 358 injection</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25863.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">drug users and this is a very high prevalence</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25891.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">population.  It was actually an HIV cohort that they</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25918.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">further studied for hepatitis C.  And 88 percent of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25946.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these individuals were HCV positive at enrollment, so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:25973.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very high prevalence and of the seronegatives 19</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26000.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconverted on follow up.  And what the study then did</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26028.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was to go back and test the samples in the freezer from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:26154pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:26154pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:26154pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:26153.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">34</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:26872.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26887.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:26887.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:26887.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26190.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the prior three years from these 19 seroconverters and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26218.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">they detected RNA in 12 of the 19 cases prior to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26245.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion.  In seven of the cases it was the kind</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26272.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of typical viremia that we've been talking about prior</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26300.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to seroconversion, but they actually had five cases, all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26327.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of which were HIV-negative in whom they did detect</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26354.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">intermittent, low-level viremia for a year to up to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26382.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">three to four years prior to seroconversion.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:26409.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">One of the concerns about this study is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26437.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that it was the intermittent nature of the detection of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26464.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the RNA.  There were often skips between detecting and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26491.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">then not detecting.  And sometimes the subtypes would</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26519.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">even shift so at one time they detect a 1B and then the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26546.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">next sample from that donor, that drug user a year later</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26573.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">would be a type 3.  So it's something here that sort of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26601.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">raises eyebrows about the accuracy of the results, but</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26628.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">nonetheless, it's additional data to support earlier</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26655.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">concerns about the possibility that there may be in some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26683.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">populations low-titer immunosilent carriers.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:26710.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We've initiated a study in collaboration</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26738.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with Bruce Phelps at Chiron looking at populations who</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26765.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are at high risk for evidence of immunosilent infections</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26792.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and in some recent work we've tested over 1,000 samples</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26820.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from various populations from San Francisco:  a VA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:27664.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27679.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:27679.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:27679.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:26982.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">clinic population that has an 18 percent HCV prevalent,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27010.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">young injection drug users, people who are just</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27037.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">beginning to use drugs in San Francisco, 45 percent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27064.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">prevalence; and then an older injection drug user cohort</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27092.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that over time has a 90 to 95 percent seroprevalence.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:159.80pt;top:27119.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">What we've done is to take the seronegative samples</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27146.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from these populations and test them using a minipool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27174.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">screening strategy similar to what we're doing in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27201.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood supply.  We're actually screening pools of ten</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27229.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">using the Gen-Probe assay to see how frequently do we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27256.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detect viremic seronegatives.  And we did detect eight</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27283.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cases.  All of these except for one have very high viral</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27311.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">load and are probably seroconverters.  And they're</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27338.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">typically found in the populations that we know have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27365.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very high incidents.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:27393.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So this needs further study, but when we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27420.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have tested, for example, in this cohort here, where we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27447.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detected four out of 72 seronegative samples with the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27475.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">minipool strategy, we further tested the samples that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27502.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were negative, so the 68 samples that were negative on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27530.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools of 10, we tested them with individual donation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27557.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing and did not identify any additional infections.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:27584.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So we're not finding evidence of low-titer viremia in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27612.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">high risk populations that would not be detectable by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:27738pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:27738pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:27738pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:27737.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">36</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:28456.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28471.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:28471.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:28471.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27774.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the current minipool testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:27802.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Just a brief comment on hepatitis B.  I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27829.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">think as most of you are aware, with hepatitis B, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27856.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">surface antigen tests have improved so much that the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27884.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitivity of the antigen tests are down in the range</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27911.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of 2,000, in some of the new chemiluminescent assays,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27938.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">1,000 per mL.  And because the antigen tests are so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27966.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitive, they've narrowed the window fairly</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:27993.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">dramatically in the viral load during the pre-antigen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28021.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">phase is very low.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:28048.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">From some work from, again from some of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28075.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">early cohort studies, the time from exposure for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28103.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hepatitis B to antigen is around 56 days and some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28130.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">limited work on pre-seroconversion RNA or DNA work we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28157.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">can narrow that window potentially by about 20 days.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28185.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">But the problem in terms of minipool testing is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28212.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">illustrated by the next slide, again, from Sue Stramer</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28239.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and Andy Conrad at NGI looking at HBV seroconverting</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28267.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">panels.  What one finds is that the viral load during</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28294.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the pre-antigen phase is extremely low, averaging only</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28322.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">400 or 500 copies and consistently less than 5,000 or so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28349.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">copies and that's because the antigen test detects any</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28376.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">samples that have greater than 3,000 or 4,000 copies.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:28404.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So this is a problem for minipool testing because the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:28530pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:28530pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:28530pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:28529.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">37</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:29248.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29263.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:29263.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:29263.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28566.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">dilution inherent in doing pool testing to a great</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28594.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">extent dilutes you out of the ability to detect the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28621.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viremic pre-antigen phase.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:28676.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So in summary, for the three major markers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28703.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that we've been worried about and predominantly focused</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28730.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on, we understand the time from infection to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28758.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion.  For HIV, it's probably in the range of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28785.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">16 days to antigen and 22 days to antibody.  For HCV,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28813.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about 70 days, for HBV about 50 days.  The nucleic acid</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28840.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tests applied particularly to mini-pool can reduce these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28867.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">windows by in the range of five days prior to antigen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28895.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for HIV, probably in the range of 50 to 60 days for HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28922.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and perhaps by a couple of weeks for HBV.  The doubling</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28949.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">time is an important parameter as we model back and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:28977.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">project yield.  For HIV, the doubling time as indicated</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29004.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is probably around 30 hours.  For HCV, it's probably in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29031.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the range of two to three hours.  For HBV, it's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29059.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">relatively slower at about four days.  The viral load</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29086.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for HIV, it's a very rapid dynamic ramp-up, so from the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29114.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">point of being able to detect it to peak antigen we go</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29141.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from 100 copies or less to in the range of ten million.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:29168.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">For HCV, this prolonged high titer viremic phase</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29196.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">averages 100,000 to ten million copies.  For HBV, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:29322pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:29322pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:29322pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:29321.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">38</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:30040.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30055.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:30055.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:30055.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29358.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viral load during the pre-antigen phase is very low,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29386.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">only 10 to 10 copies.  And for this reason, as we talk</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:193.45pt;top:29384.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">2</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:240.00pt;top:29384.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29413.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about usefulness of window period detection of minipool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29440.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">screening, for HCV, it's perfect because it's a very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29468.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">high-titer, prolonged viremia, so mini-pool testing is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29495.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">really the answer for HCV.  For HIV, it's only</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29522.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">marginally effective; it will only further reduce the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29550.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">window by about half because there is this relatively</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29577.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">slower ramp up, lower level viremia that minipool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29605.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing is not detecting.  And for HBV, it's essentially</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29632.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">unsuitable because pool sizes in the range of even as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29659.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">few as 20 samples dilutes you out below the ability to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29687.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detect the pre-antigemic phase.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:29714.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now as we try to estimate the yield, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29741.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">incremental yield of these assays, we then have to bring</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29769.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in the sensitivity of the test and I think we'll see a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29796.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">lot of this.  These tests, as indicated, are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29823.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">extraordinarily sensitive.  Fifty percent detection</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29851.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">limits of probably 10 to 20 copies, 95 percent detection</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29878.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">limits for each virus of within the range of 50 copies.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:29906.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So as we project the yield which Ed is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29933.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">indicating we have to close here, we have to incorporate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29960.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the data on the window period closure, the sensitivity</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:29988.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of the assays and the doubling time parameter to project</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:30832.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30847.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:30847.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:30847.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30150.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the yield both of minipool and single donation testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:30178.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And just to briefly summarize, for HIV, if we could add</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30205.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">minipool testing with sensitivities in the range of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30232.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about 500 to 1,000 copies, we would project that we'll</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30260.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pick up about six HIV infections per year.  If we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30287.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">shifted to single donation testing, we would pick up</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30314.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">around nine, so an increment of an additional to 3 to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30342.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">3.5 infections.  And for HCV -- let's skip this, I'm</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30369.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sorry.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:30397.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">For HCV, we project that we would pick up</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30424.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">around 54 donations by going -- I'm sorry, we'd pick up</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30451.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">around 53 donations per year in the U.S. whole blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30479.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sector by introducing minipool testing and single</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30506.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation testing would only detect an additional one or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30533.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">two infections, or 54.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:30561.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And just a final slide, I recently supplied</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30588.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these numbers to Jim AuBuchon who has done a cost</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30615.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">effectiveness analysis on the minipool testing versus</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30643.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">single donation testing and it's kind of interesting</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30670.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that if we benchmark relative to p24 antigen where we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30698.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">estimate, Jim has estimated about $1.8 million per</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30725.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">quality life year extended, minipool nucleic acid</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30752.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing is actually more cost effective than antigen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30780.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing.  If we assume about $8 per test to detect both</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:30906pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:30906pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:30906pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:30905.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">40</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:31624.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31639.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:31639.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:31639.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30942.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viruses in the context of approximately 20 member pools,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:30970.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we estimate about $1.2 million per quality life year.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:152.10pt;top:30997.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Transitioning to single donation testing is still --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31024.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">increases the cost per quality to about $1.8 million,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31052.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">but it's actually still more cost effective than p24</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31079.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antigen testing.  So although in some original analyses</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31106.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one would have predicted, and I did, that this would</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31134.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have been a worse endeavor, given the relatively low</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31161.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">yield.  In fact, in minipool and single donation nucleic</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31189.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">acid screening actually stacks up pretty comparable to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31216.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">p24 antigen testing, and in fact, better than some of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31243.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the other recent issues such as solvent detergent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31271.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:31298.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'll stop there.  Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:31325.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:31353.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Thank you very much, Mike, for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31380.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that every interesting talk.  The next talk will be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31407.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">given by Dr. Paul Mied in place of Dr. Hewlett.  He'll</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31435.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be speaking about NAT implementation and regulation in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31462.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the United States.  Dr. Mied is the Deputy Director of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31490.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the Division of Emerging and Transfusion Transmitted</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31517.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Diseases.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:31544.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. MIED:  Thank you, Ed.  May I have the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31572.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">first slide, please?  I'm going to summarize for you,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:32416.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32431.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:32431.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:32431.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31734.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">briefly, FDA's role in the regulation of nucleic acid of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31762.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT for pool plasma and for individual units under IND</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31789.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in the United States.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:31816.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">As we've already heard, it's well</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31844.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recognized that NAT is currently the most sensitive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31871.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">method for virus detection in the antibody-negative</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31898.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">window period and that implementation of NAT could</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31926.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">further reduce the window period for HCV, HIV and HBV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31953.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resulting in enhanced viral safety of blood and blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:31981.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">products and also an additional public health benefit in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32008.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">providing early diagnosis and referral of donors for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32035.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">medical treatment.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:32063.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now this slide says everything takes longer</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32090.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">than you expect, even when you expect it to take longer</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32117.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">than you expect.  Now, you know, this is true for just</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32145.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about everything today, except for NAT, it seems.  It</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32172.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was, as we heard this morning earlier, from Dr. Tabor,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32199.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">it was in September of 1994 that FDA held a workshop  on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32227.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the feasibility of gene-based testing to close the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32254.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">window for HIV and at that time due to technical and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32282.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">throughput complexities, NAT in any form seemed a long</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32309.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">way off.  However, a little over three years later,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32336.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">screening of source plasma pools for HCV and HIV-1 was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32364.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">initiated under IND and now barely five years later we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:33208.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33223.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:33223.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:33223.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32526.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">can say that the licensure of the first NAT method may</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32554.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">not be very far off after all.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:32581.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">For NAT, the whole process is backwards.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32608.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Normally, clinical trials are done under IND at a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32636.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">limited number of sites.  Then the test is licensed.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32663.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Then FDA recommends it for widespread use and the new</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32690.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test is then implemented, but even now as we've heard,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32718.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT as an investigational test is being used prior to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32745.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">licensure, to screen nearly all blood and plasma in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32773.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">United States.  This isn't the normal course of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32800.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementation of a new test.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:32827.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So how has all of this happened?  Well, due</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32855.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to the complex and customarily labor-intensive nature of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32882.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT, the approach of screening minipools or small pools</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32909.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of plasma, rather than single donations was initially</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32937.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">considered to be the more practical and feasible format</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32964.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">due to the technical state of development of NAT and the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:32991.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">concept of pool testing during the fractionation process</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33019.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of plasma for further manufacture.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:33046.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">By 1997, some countries in Europe had</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33074.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">initiated voluntary screening of pooled donations of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33101.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma using the nucleic acid-based test method and also</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33128.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a directive was issued by the European Union that HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33156.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">RNA testing would be required in Europe for all plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:34015.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:34015.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33318.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for fractionation by July 1, 1999.  And that HIV-1</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33346.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing of such plasma would be required at some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33373.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">unspecified later date.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:33400.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This move created an impetus in the U.S. to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33428.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implement such testing for blood and plasma, and this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33455.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was made feasible in part by support from the NHLBI</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33482.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">through contracts for developing such tests here in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33510.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">U.S.  Screening of source plasma pools for HCV and HIV-1</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33537.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">RNA under IND was initiated in early 1998.  Pool sizes</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33565.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">currently range from 96 to 1200 donations and at this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33592.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">time virtually all source plasma in the U.S. is being</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33619.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">screened by pool testing for HCV and greater than 80</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33647.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent is being tested for HIV-1 RNA by a nucleic acid-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33674.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">based test.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:33701.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">A significant portion of this testing is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33729.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">preformed by a central testing laboratory or a testing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33756.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">service.  Some manufacturers are also testing for HBV,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33783.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as we've heard, although this is much more limited than</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33811.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HCV or HIV.  A number of measures were taken by FDA to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33838.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implement nucleic acid testing in the U.S.  FDA views</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33866.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">minipool testing as a form of donor screening and this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33893.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">position was endorsed by the Blood Products Advisory</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33920.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Committee at the March 1997 meeting.  FDA developed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:33948.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">guidance outlining regulatory approaches for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:34792.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34807.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:34807.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:34807.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34110.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementing pool testing and discussed them briefly at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34138.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the September 1997 BPAC meeting.  These regulatory</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34165.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">approaches address the use of NAT as a commercially</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34192.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">available test, as a testing service and as an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34220.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in-house test.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:34247.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This guidance document, "Application of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34274.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Current Statutory Authority to Nucleic Acid Testing of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34302.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Pooled Plasma", was issued on November 26, 1999.  FDA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34329.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">also developed in July of 1998 and published a technical</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34357.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">draft guidance for industry on validation of nucleic</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34384.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">acid tests, "Guidance for Industry in the Manufacture</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34411.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and Clinical Evaluation of In Vitro Tests to Detect</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34439.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Nucleic Acid Sequences of HIV-1 and 2."  There was a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34466.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">comment period and, following the incorporation of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34493.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">comments, the revised guidance either has been or is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34521.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">just about to be posted on the CBER website and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34548.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">published in the </FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="000000"><u><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Federal Register</FONT></u><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:34575.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In September of 1998, we held a workshop to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34603.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discuss NAT for HCV and other viruses and at a BPAC</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34630.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">meeting in March of this year, we discussed the issue of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34658.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT implementation for whole blood and transfusible</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34685.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">components under the IND mechanism.  At the September</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34712.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">BPAC, we discussed regulation of NAT testing for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34740.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Parvovirus B-19.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:35584.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35599.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:35599.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:35599.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:34902.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Nationwide screening of whole blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34930.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations was initiated under IND in early 1999.  Pool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34957.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sizes ranged from 16 to 128 units and you'll notice</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:34984.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these are smaller pools than for source plasma.  At this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35012.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">time, over 95 percent of whole blood donations are being</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35039.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tested for HCV and over 65 percent for HIV.  I'll let</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35066.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">some of the other presenters give you their up to the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35094.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">minute numbers for positives found and total numbers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35121.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">screened later this morning, but it's interesting that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35149.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the false positive rate has been found to be similar to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35176.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">serologic tests.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:35203.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now this sign here says look out ahead and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35231.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this sign says look out.  So look out.  NAT, not only</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35258.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for source plasma, but also for whole blood is here now.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:35313.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now these next two slides list the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35340.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">licensure requirements for test validation from that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35367.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">technical guidance document that I talked about to give</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35395.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you a sense for the type of studies that are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35422.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ongoing under IND.  The tests should be demonstrated to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35450.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be manufactured consistently under GMP with appropriate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35477.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">quality assurance for the kit and kit components.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35504.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">purity, identity and functional activity of primers,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35532.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">probes and other components should be determined and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:35658pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:35658pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:35658pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:35657.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">46</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:36376.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36391.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:36391.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:36391.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35694.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">specifications should be established.  Conditions of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35722.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">specimen stability should be established.  Methods for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35749.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">collection of specimen, transport, testing, et cetera</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35776.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">should be validated.  And there should be in place a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35804.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">validated mechanism for identification and retrieval of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35831.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive specimens in a pool as well as for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35858.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">identification of the implicated donor.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:35886.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Instruments used in generating pools to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35913.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">perform the tests and software used to calculate results</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35941.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">should be appropriately validated.  Analytical</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35968.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">specificity will be demonstrated in studies of potential</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:35995.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">interfering substances in the assay.  The tests should</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36023.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">meet the analytic sensitivity requirement of 100 copies</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36050.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">per mL for the pool and 5,000 copies per mL for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36077.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">original donation.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:36105.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Analytical sensitivity will also be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36132.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">demonstrated by testing of commercially available</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36159.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion panels and low-titer panels developed by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36187.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">FDA.  The clinical sensitivity, specificity and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36214.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reproducibility of the assays should be established</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36242.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">through clinical and laboratory studies.  Finally, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36269.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tests would be subject to lot release requirements for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36296.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">licensing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:36324.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now FDA has developed panels for HCV RNA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:36450pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:36450pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:36450pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:36449.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">47</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:37168.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37183.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:37183.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:37183.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36486.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and HIV-1 RNA.  At the present time, a WHO standard for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36514.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HCV RNA is available.  It's a lyophilized antibody-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36541.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive specimen from a single donor.  The CBER panel</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36568.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is an antibody-negative specimen, genotype 1B.  One of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36596.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the panel members has been calibrated against the WHO</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36623.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standard so that one international unit equals four</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36650.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">genome equivalents per mL.  The CBER reference panel</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36678.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">covers the range of 5 to 100,000 copies per mL.  The WHO</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36705.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standard for HIV-1 RNA subtype B has been established</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36733.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and has been defined as 100,000 international units per</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36760.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mL.  There are two CBER panels that are available.  One</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36787.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is antibody-negative plasma specimen and the second is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36815.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a cultured virus specimen spiked into HIV-negative human</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36842.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma, covering a range of 10 to 250,000 copies per mL.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:36869.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The general study design for NAT validation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36897.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">involves screening of somewhere in the order of 300,000</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36924.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to in some cases more than one million donations in at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36951.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">least 10,000 pools.  Blood and plasma centers need IRB</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:36979.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">approval for NAT screening of donors.  Informed consent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37006.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is obtained from donors and they are recruited into</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37034.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">follow-up studies to confirm their test results and to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37061.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resolve their infection status.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:37088.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Donors are being followed up for six months</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37116.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for HIV-1 and HBV and for 12 months for HCV.  A</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:37960.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37975.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:37975.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:37975.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37278.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">validated supplemental NAT that is of the same or can be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37306.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">another technology is being used to confirm results and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37333.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">look-back is being carried out for NAT-positive only</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37360.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">results.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:37388.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">A number of other issues have been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37415.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">identified regarding implementation of NAT under IND.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:37442.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">For example, NAT requires several days more than</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37470.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">conventional antibody tests due to logistics, that is,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37497.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing by centralized laboratories and other technology</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37525.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">limitations.  Consequently, certain blood products, for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37552.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">example, platelets and some red cells, are expected to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37579.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be released on the basis of serology during the initial</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37607.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">phase of the studies under IND, that is, Phase 1.  This</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37634.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is necessary to prevent shortages of those critically</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37661.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">needed blood products.  This phase, however, which is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37689.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">expected to be of short duration, will be followed by a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37716.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">phase where all components are released on the basis of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37743.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">both NAT and serology and this would be in Phase 2.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37771.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This should be occurring very soon and we'll be hearing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37798.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">more about this later this morning.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:37826.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Recipient concerns are being managed by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37853.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">local IRBs of hospitals and transfusion centers.  Cost</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37880.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recovery has been permitted by the FDA under the IND due</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:37908.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to the high cost of NAT testing and the national scope</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:38752.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38767.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:38767.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:38767.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38070.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of the studies.  Product labeling will be permitted.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38098.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">FDA recently sent a letter to at least one of the blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38125.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">organizations and some blood banks who inquired, saying</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38152.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that the units can be labeled as -- and something like</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38180.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">"screened by an investigational NAT test for HCV whose</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38207.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">performance has not yet been established," or something</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38234.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to that effect.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:38262.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">However, no enhanced safety claims are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38289.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">permitted during the study phase.  This is going to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38317.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">allow a distinction between NAT screened and unscreened</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38344.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">units which will coexist during Phase 1.  Other issues</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38371.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are that donors are counseled on the basis of confirmed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38399.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">investigational test results and deferred until their</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38426.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">clinical status is resolved.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:38453.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I already mentioned look-back.  This would</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38481.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be consistent with existing guidance and would be for a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38508.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">period of three months for NAT-only positives.  Other</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38535.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">issues that are anticipated in the future are NAT for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38563.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">other viruses, for example HBV as we've heard and Parvo</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38590.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">B-19 and the increasing push towards single unit testing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38618.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">by NAT.  Also, we've had a dialogue with various</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38645.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sponsors regarding potential replacement of existing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38672.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tests such as the HIV-1 p24 antigen assay.  This last</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38700.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">issue was actually discussed at the Blood Products</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:38826pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:38826pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:38826pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:38825.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">50</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:39544.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39559.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:39559.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:39559.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38862.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Advisory Committee meeting in March of this year.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:38890.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So in summary, NAT for HCV, HIV and HBV has</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38917.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">been implemented under IND for both whole blood and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38944.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">source plasma.  More than 90 percent of whole blood and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38972.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">nearly all source plasma are being screened by a NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:38999.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">method for HCV and HIV.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:39026.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">There are several implementation issues</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39054.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">relating to the donor, the recipient and product</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39081.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">management and the move toward universal release of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39109.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">products for transfusion based on NAT.  These issues</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39136.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">need to be addressed in the clinical trials that are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39163.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">done and hopefully they'll be discussed at length during</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39191.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the workshop today.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:39218.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So I think I'll stop there and thank you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39245.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very much.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:39273.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:39300.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Thank you, Paul, for those</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39327.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">excellent remarks.  The next speaker is Dr. Michael</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39355.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Chudy.  Dr. Chudy will be speaking on NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39382.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementation, regulation in Europe.  Dr. Chudy is from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39410.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the Department of Virology, Paul-Ehrlich Institut in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39437.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Langen, Germany.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:39464.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. CHUDY:  Mr. Chairman, ladies and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39492.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">gentlemen, first, thank you for this invitation to this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:39618pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:39618pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:39618pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:39617.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">51</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:40336.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40351.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:40351.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:40351.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39654.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">meeting.  May I have the first -- yes.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:39682.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">However, even in the period after</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39709.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">introduction of virus inactivation steps into the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39736.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturing process, some episodes of virus</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39764.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">transmission have been occurred, so several ongoing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39791.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">efforts to improve the safety of plasma products.  But</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39818.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in my view, not only plasma derivatives, also all sero-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39846.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">components because until now no virus inactivation steps</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39873.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are implemented.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:39901.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">There's a development of sensitive methods</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39928.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for the detection of viral genomes, the question arose</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39955.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as to the application of NAT could contribute to a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:39983.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">further increase in the virus safety.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:40010.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now the events in Germany, you see there's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40037.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a German blood bank in Hagen, one of the greatest blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40065.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">banks in Europe with over one million donations per</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40092.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">year.  They have implemented pilot studies, in general,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40119.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in 1996, screening and anti-screening of all blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40147.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations for HCV, HBV and HIV.  In consequence, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40174.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Paul-Ehrlich Institut initiated a phased plant</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40202.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">procedure.  This is the first step of exchange of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40229.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">information.  And you see the next step was proposals</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40256.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with written comments by the manufacturers and then in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40284.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">September a hearing in Paris and later comes the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:41128.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41143.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:41143.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:41143.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40446.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">conclusion of HCV NAT implementation for the label</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40474.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">concentrates, erythrocytes and platelets and later now</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40501.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for the quarantined plasma.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:40528.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">What was the reason of this decision?  I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40556.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">can do it very quickly because we have also heard in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40583.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">first talk today, we have performed in our Institut</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40610.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">studies with seroconversion panels and that is my</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40638.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">present review of the definition of seroconversion</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40665.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">panels.  Regarding to HBV, you can see that not all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40693.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">available panels in my view are relevant to this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40720.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">investigation.  I think from nearly 40 panels, only 14</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40747.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were relevant.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:40775.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And you can see and Michael Busch also</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40802.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mentioned this in these figures that NAT can reduce the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40829.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">window period is not clear over three weeks and you find</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40857.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in this period very low titers of survivals.  The other</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40884.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">situation is for HCV, summarizing for several panels and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40911.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you see the reduced window periods of over 50 days and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40939.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a second thing is that we have found very high titer in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40966.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this period, so when we define the detection limits of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:40994.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the tests regarding single donation of 5,000 units per</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41021.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mL, you can see that all donations, positive donations</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41048.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">can be detected.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:41076.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The next slide summarizes -- you'll see</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:41920.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41935.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:41935.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:41935.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41238.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that also the detection limit for the tests, now is a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41266.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">commercial test.  You know that Amplicor is a detection</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41293.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and made the final copies.  The incidents that are also</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41320.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pilots that reach from over three million donations in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41348.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Germany.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:41375.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now the events in Europe.  First, in 1994</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41402.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the implementation for HCV NAT for plasma pools.  Later,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41430.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">it comes for some other immunoglobulins.  Such</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41457.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">immunoglobulins would not have in their manufacturing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41485.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">process an activation step for viruses and now the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41512.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">regulation for all plasma pools since July this year.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:41539.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">You see that this paper is an addendum to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41567.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the regulation of medicinal products derived from human</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41594.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma.  I will go in detail to this regulation.  You</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41621.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">see the time scale and you can see that from the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41649.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">beginning, from the discussion in the biotech working</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41676.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">party until the date for coming into operation that took</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41703.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">nearly two years.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:41731.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">What are the contents?  The first part are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41758.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">introduction of comments so it's clear the impact of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41786.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT for virus safety and there is a potential to reduce</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41813.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the virus load and now I think the NAT has reached a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:41840.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">stage that it allows to go and test for plasma pools.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:41868.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The first recommendation was at the time</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:42712.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42727.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:42727.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:42727.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42030.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that from July 1st of this year batch release only</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42058.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">platelets derived from plasma pools tested and found</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42085.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">nonreactive for HCV by NAT and there's also a regulation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42112.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for plasma- derived -- plasma products used as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42140.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">excipients that means an example albumin as a product</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42167.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from the fractionation of plasma and then albumin is an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42194.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">additive to a recombinant Factor VIII and then the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42222.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recombinant Factor VIII for us also, under this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42249.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">regulation and so the next recommendation was pretesting</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42277.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of minipools.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:42304.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The next three points, regulation for such</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42331.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">batches of products released before July and the next</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42359.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">point was evaluation and approval of the test</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42386.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">methodology and validation data by the competent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42413.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">authorities and the definition of the level of the NAT,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42441.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">at least 100 units per mL for the production pool.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:42468.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I just show this to direct your attention</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42495.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to three points regarding blood donation center</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42523.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">regulation and regulation for plasma derivatives.  You</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42550.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">can see we have no virus inactivation step for the level</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42578.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">components, but we have an inactivation step per</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42605.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">regulation for these products.  A very important</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42632.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">question is the time available for the tests.  You know</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42660.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the platelets have a very short shelf life and so it's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:43504.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43519.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:43519.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:43519.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42822.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very limited to perform the NAT and there are no time-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42850.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">limited principles to test plasma pools for production</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42877.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of plasma derivatives.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:42904.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">You see also the regulation for blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42932.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation center.  They're referred to single donations</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42959.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">allow look-back evaluation.  We have regulated only the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:42986.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">level of production pools, but if pretesting of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43014.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">minipools is recommended, also look-back is possible.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:43041.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So to summarize, now available, reference</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43069.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">preparation of HCV calibrated in units, I think John</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43096.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Saldanha will go in detail later, you see the gold</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43123.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standard and some other national standards and also a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43151.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standard from the EDQM, this is the last one, prepared</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43178.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and provided for the European manufacturer.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43205.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Paul- Erhlich Institut has also performed an all-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43233.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">national standard.  In my view, it was a commitment for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43260.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the blood donation center for -- prerequisite for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43287.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementation of the NAT test.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:43315.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Okay, until now there are no specific NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43342.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">guidelines available.  The background was -- or the two</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43370.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">guidelines for analytical procedures and we see that HIV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43397.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT is a limit test and for validation these features</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43424.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are recovered, specifically sensitivity, robustness and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43452.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">also quality assurance.  I will not go in detail, but I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:44296.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44311.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:44311.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:44311.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43614.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">will show you now the recommendations, our own</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43642.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recommendations for blood donation center for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43669.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">validation and later the European OMCL network has also</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43696.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">prepared a paper, "Guidelines for Validation of NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43724.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Positive Detection of HCV RNA Plasma Pools" and I have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43751.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">listed here the European Pharmacopoeia monograph.  There</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43778.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is written a special point to recommendation of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43806.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementation of an internal control for HCV entity.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:43833.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">That is a very important thing in my view.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:43861.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now, very briefly, some results of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43888.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementation in Germany, that was a frame, you know</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43915.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that, and you see here that all the documents have the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43943.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">prove by our institute, that was a lot of work, but was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43970.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the situation?  Nearly a hundred blood donation centers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:43997.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for each validates to commence to our institutes and you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44025.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">see that some blood donation centers have performed more</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44052.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">than one procedure.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:44079.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Seventy-one centers perform the NAT on site</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44107.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and 25 have external test laboratories.  These test</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44134.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">laboratories can be divided in external diagnostic labs,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44162.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seven, and in six blood donation centers with an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44189.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">additional testing capacity for other samples, and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44216.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">there's a great know-how in this field.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:44244.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Some points to the use methods, you see</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:45088.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45103.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:45103.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:45103.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44406.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">most of them, 66, use the commercial test, the COBAS</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44434.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Amplicor.  Eight use the modified COBAS Amplicor.  That</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44461.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">means that they replace the extraction procedure of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44488.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">kit by another and only ten perform in-house methods</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44516.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">like Taq Man, Light Cycler and others.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:44543.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">You can see the link between methods and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44570.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pool size.  We have Amplicor and modified Amplicor, Tax</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44598.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Man, and Light Cycler, and other, and in this we have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44625.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the pool size and the red is the minimum pool size, from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44653.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">single donation testing up to ten pools, and then 20 in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44680.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blue and 30, 40 is the yellow; up to 48.  And the green</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44707.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one is the maximum possible pool size of 96 and you can</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44735.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">see that with Amplicor most of them perform single unit</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44762.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing or pool maximum of ten donations.  And this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44789.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">modified Amplicor, it is possible to increase the pool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44817.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">size from 48 to 96.  Only one uses the Light Cycler,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44844.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">it's an important surprise for me and some also tested</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44871.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with Tax Man; it spans all the pool sizes.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:44899.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Okay, that is my last slide.  That's now</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44926.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the situation for the regulation in Europe.  HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44954.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mandatory is clear is the regulation for the plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:44981.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">products.  We have in Germany the regulation also from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45008.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">April of this year in Switzerland and Austria and in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45036.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">near future in the Netherlands.  There is an HBV and an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:45162pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:45162pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:45162pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:45161.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">58</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:45880.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45895.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:45895.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:45895.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45198.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV testing as a self-commitment procedure and the most</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45226.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturers of plasma derivatives and also in our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45253.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">great blood banks in Germany.  For HIV, there is a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45280.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">special situation, I think.  It's more interesting for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45308.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturers as plasma derivatives.  There's an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45335.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">activation step of soil and detergent and now comes into</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45362.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">debate Parvo B19 testing.  It's under investigation.  In</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45390.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the beginning of October this year, the first hearing in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45417.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a biotech working party where all manufacturers give</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45445.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">their future ideas in this field.  And routinely all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45472.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">great manufacturers implemented B19 testing for high-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45499.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">titer donations.  The other viruses are not so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45527.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">interesting, I think, because there is a question if</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45554.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">they're transfusion prevalent viruses.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:45581.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you for your attention.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:45609.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:45636.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Thank you very much, Dr. Chudy,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45663.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a very nice talk.  The next speaker is Dr. Masaharu</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45691.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Nakajima.  Dr. Nakajima is Director of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45718.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Pharmaceutical and Medical Safety Bureau in the Ministry</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45746.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of Health in Tokyo.  Dr. Nakajima will be speaking on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45773.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT implementation and its regulation in Japan.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:45800.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Dr. Nakajima.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:45828.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. NAKAJIMA:  Thank you, Chairperson,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:46672.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46687.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:46687.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:46687.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:45990.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ladies and gentlemen.  My name is Masaharu Nakajima from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46018.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Japanese Ministry of Health and Welfare.  I am very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46045.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">honored to be invited here to have the opportunity to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46072.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">speak about our Japanese experience on NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46100.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementation for blood products.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:46127.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">First, I would like to introduce the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46154.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">outline of our blood program.  Japan has a population of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46182.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">125 million and blood donation was done 6.1 million</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46209.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">times last year.  The donations were totally non-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46237.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">remunerated and the blood collection was done by the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46264.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Japan Red Cross, JRC alone.  Donations consisted of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46291.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about 25 percent of pheresis, 44 percent, 400 milliliter</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46319.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of whole blood and 31 percent 200 milliliter whole</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46346.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood.  Plasma products,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46373.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">self-sufficiency rates are 26 percent for albumin and 60</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46401.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent for globulin.  Most of import is from the United</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46428.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">States, I think contributing somewhat to U.S.-Japan</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46455.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">trade balance.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:46483.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Laughter.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:46510.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">As in other countries, our blood program is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46538.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very unique, difficult and sensitive, including moral</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46565.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">issues in Japan and we are discussing a new framework of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46592.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood program to include self-sufficiency and safety.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:46620.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  The Japanese regulatory scheme on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:46746pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:46746pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:46746pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:46745.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">60</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:47464.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47479.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:47479.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:47479.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46782.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood products is mainly composed of the Blood Law and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46810.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Pharmaceutical Affairs Law.  The Blood Law regulates</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46837.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood donation conditions such as donor health and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46864.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">facility requirements and give license to blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46892.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">collecting organizations.  The safety issues are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46919.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">regulated basically by the Pharmaceutical Affairs Law.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:46946.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The main body to discuss the issue is Center of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:46974.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Pharmaceutical Affairs Council and minimum requirements</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47001.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of biological and blood products dictates necessary</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47029.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tests for manufacturing procedures.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:47056.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">A good manufacturing practice, GMP, is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47083.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">required as usual and a virus validation guideline is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47111.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">made to apply to evaluate virus inactivation and the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47138.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">removal procedures.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:47165.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Minimum requirement of biological and blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47193.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">products and viral validation guidelines are applied to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47220.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">products delivered in Japan regardless of its original</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47247.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">country.  Therefore, products not satisfying the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47275.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">requirements cannot be imported nor used in Japan.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:47302.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Other requirements may arise according to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47330.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the situation as administrative guidance which is not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47357.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">legally compulsive, but the strength of requirement</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47384.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">depends on the conditions of the cases.  A rapid</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47412.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">development of technology and the diversity of its</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:48256.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48271.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:48271.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:48271.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47574.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">influence requires these kinds of measures.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:47602.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The next shows the history of introduction</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47629.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of screening tests in Japan.  After the introduction of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47656.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these screening tests, post-transfusion infection</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47684.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">decreased step by step, especially after the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47711.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">introduction of HBC antibody and HBS antibody tests in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47738.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">1989.  Fulminant hepatitis caused by HBV-positive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47766.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">transfusion has not been reported.  HCV antibody tests</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47793.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">decreased post-transfusion hepatitis very much.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:47821.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Also, although HIV-2 antibody tests were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47848.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">introduced in 1994, there has been no case of HIV-2</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47875.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reported in Japan and this year, the NAT for three</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47903.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viruses were introduced and window periods shortened</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47930.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">substantially.  But it was very sad that very recently,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47957.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">just before the implementation of NAT, two cases of HIV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:47985.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">infection through transfusion occurred which was our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48012.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">window period donation.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:48039.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  Recent history surrounding NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48067.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">begins donation sample storage since September 1996</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48094.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which enabled confirmation at look back in our huge deep</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48122.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">freezers built in northern part of Japan to keep frozen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48149.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">samples for ten years.  JRC began plasma pool testing of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48176.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">source plasma for fractionation in November 1997 for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48204.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">three viruses, namely HIV, HBV and HCV.  And techniques</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:49048.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49063.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:49063.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:49063.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48366.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in the system were developed, improved and stabilized.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:48394.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Our source plasma in plasma for transfusion</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48421.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are collected from the volunteer donors in the same</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48448.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood centers and some for transfusion are used for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48476.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">source plasma later.  Central Pharmaceutical Affairs</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48503.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Council decided the policy to implement three NATs for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48530.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood products including transfusion products in October</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48558.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">1998.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:48585.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Then finally, three NATs were implemented</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48613.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to transfusion products except platelets component</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48640.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because of the short shelf life of 72 hours in Japan.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.10pt;top:48667.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">As a trial in July 1999 and all donations had begun to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48695.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be screened in October 1999.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:48722.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  There are two NAT centers of JRC.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48749.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">One is in Tokyo and the other is in Hokkaido which is a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48777.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">northern island of Japan.  The samples are gathered and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48804.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">transported to those NAT centers according to the area</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48831.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of donated centers, blood centers.  One more center is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48859.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">being built in the near future.  The NAT system extracts</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48886.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and detects three viruses including both HBV DNA and HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48914.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and HIV RNA at the same time using a so-called multiplex</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48941.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reagent system at the present situation.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:48968.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Five hundred serologically screened samples</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:48996.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are pulled and tested.  If it turns out to be positive,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:49122pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:49122pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:49122pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:49121.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">63</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:49840.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49855.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:49855.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:49855.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49158.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which means that one or some of the three viruses</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49186.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detected, then related samples are stopped delivering</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49213.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">immediately and the virus and the original sample is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49240.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pursued.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:49268.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Serologically screened samples are used to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49295.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">avoid cross contamination by high titer samples.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49322.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pool size will be reduced in the near future.  The NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49350.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">centers can test to 20,000 to 30,000 samples per day.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.15pt;top:49377.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The sensitivity of the test is less than 100 copies or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49405.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">international units per mL and 50,000 per mL at 500</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49432.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pool.  Most of the genotypes listed here are covered by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49459.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this system.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:49487.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  Japan is composed of four main</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49514.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">islands and many small islands including Okinawa.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49541.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Samples are transported twice a day from blood centers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49569.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to two NAT centers by trucks on the ground and aircraft.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:152.60pt;top:49596.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The third NAT center will be located in the western</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49623.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">part of Japan.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:49651.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  Until now, serological window cases</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49678.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are detected by the NAT.  Among the source plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49706.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">samples of more than five million most frequent was the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49733.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HBV, 1 in 72,000.  The dominant genotype was C, 78</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49760.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent; and B, 12 percent in contrast to Type A and D</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49788.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">dominant in western countries; and five mutations were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:49914pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:49914pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:49914pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:49913.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">64</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:50632.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50647.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:50647.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:50647.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49950.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">found.  The close relationship between pre-cor mutation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:49978.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to stop E antigen production and found hepatitis was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50005.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">observed in Japan.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:50032.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The frequency of HCV was 1 in 535,000.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50060.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">dominant genotype was 1B, 70 percent; and Type 1A, which</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50087.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is common in western countries, was very rare.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50114.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">frequency of HIV was 1 in 2,631,000.  Whole donation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50142.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">screening was done on 1.2 million samples up to now and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50169.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HBV, 8; HCV, 3; and HIV, none were detected.  It is said</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50197.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that as high as seven percent of the population are HBV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50224.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">carriers and half of 300 million world-wide HBV carriers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50251.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are in Asia.  In Japan also, it is estimated that 1.4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50279.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">million are HBV carriers and 17 percent of deaths by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50306.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hepatoma is from hepatitis B.  Therefore, we consider it</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50333.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is necessary to include HBV in Japanese NAT system.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:50361.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  As a conclusion, the next step of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50388.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT we consider would be, first, quality assurance and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50415.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">quality improvement; and second, reduce the time</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50443.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">necessary for testing including logistics; and third,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50470.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">although accurate estimation of cost is not calculated</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50498.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">yet, to make the test more cost effective; and fourth,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50525.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a single donation testing and automated system; and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50552.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fifth, to cope with emerging pathogens and how far and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:51424.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51439.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:51439.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:51439.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:50742.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The evaluation of NAT still needs careful</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50770.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">consideration, such as the relationship between NAT data</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50797.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and infectivity, but the results obtained so far and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50824.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">theoretically NAT is very promising to play a role as a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50852.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fundamental test of pheresis in an attempt toward the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50879.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">goal of totally safe blood products.  Thank you for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50906.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">listening.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:50934.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:50961.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Thank you very much, Dr.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:50989.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Nakajima, for a very clear and interesting talk.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:51016.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'd now like to introduce Dr. John Saldanha</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51043.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">who is well known to all of you because of his</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51071.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">leadership in developing standards for RNA detection for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51098.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these viruses.  Dr. Saldanha is from the Division of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51125.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Virology at the NIBSC in Potters Bar, just outside</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51153.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">London.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:51180.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. SALDANHA:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51207.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'd like to thank the organizers for inviting me to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51235.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">speak today, and I hope in my talk I'm going to give you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51262.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a brief introduction to standardization of NAT assays</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51290.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and the quality assurance of these assays.  Now we've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51317.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">heard from previous speakers about the implementation of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51344.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT, and what I'm going to show in this talk is that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51372.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this has only been possible because of the establishment</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:51498pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:51498pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:51498pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:51497.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">66</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:52216.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52231.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:52231.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:52231.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51534.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of working reagents and international standards.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:51562.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">May I have the next one, please.  Why do we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51589.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">need to standardize these assays?  I think you're all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51616.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">familiar with the fact that NAT assays are very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51644.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitive, and the sensitivity can vary from laboratory</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51671.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to laboratory.  We were also concerned as a control</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51698.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">laboratory that there would be discrepant results</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51726.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">between manufacturers of blood products and the control</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51753.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">authorities which could lead to problems with the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51781.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">release of the final products.  So these really were the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51808.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">early discussions we had.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:51835.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And before, as you realized, before you can</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51863.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">routinely introduce NAT, you need to have some sort of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51890.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standardization of these assays.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:51917.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one, please.  And how do we go about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51945.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standardizing assays?  I think the first thing to do is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51972.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to use the calibrated reference reagent which is also</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:51999.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">known as the run control to insure reproducibility from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52027.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">run to run and to establish an internationally accepted</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52054.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standard, and these are normally WHO international</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52082.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standards.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:52109.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now at NIBSC, the way we develop working</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52136.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reagents is to first of all start a collaborative study</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52164.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which involves manufacturers control authorities'</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:53008.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53023.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:53023.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:53023.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52326.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">independent labs; and based on the results of these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52354.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">studies, we prepare a working reagent and the working</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52381.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reagent is at a dilution that can be easily picked up by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52408.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the majority of labs.  We then evaluate the reagent by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52436.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sending it out to laboratories and getting results back</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52463.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on a monthly basis, and then finally move to the stage</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52490.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of developing an international standard.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:52518.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one.  Here I've listed some of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52545.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">collaborative studies we've done at NIBSC, starting in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52573.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">1990 with a study done by Janet Butman to look at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52600.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">variation and sensitivity of assays to detect HIV DNA,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52627.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ending with the bottom which are the three studies to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52655.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">establish the international standards for HCV, HBV and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52682.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:52709.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one.  On this slide I list some of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52737.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reagents that are available.  We have working reagents</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52764.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for most of the commonly looked at viruses which is C,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52791.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV B19 and we also have a multiplex reagent which has</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52819.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">four of the viruses.  In fact, we now have an agent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52846.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which has hepatitis B in it as well.  And there are two</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52874.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">working reagents for HIV RNA and a working reagent for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52901.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HBV, and I'd like to point out that there is a leaflet</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52928.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">outside by the registration desk which lists these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:52956.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reagents and for those of you who are interested in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:53800.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53815.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:53815.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:53815.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53118.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">information on ordering them.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:53146.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">May I have the next one?  And I think as a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53173.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">previous speaker mentioned, we now have WHO</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53200.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">international standards.  The reasons for establishing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53228.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">international standards, I think are quite clear.  At</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53255.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the moment we have several working reagents which are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53282.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">either calibrated in genome equivalents, and in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53310.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">U.S.A. I think you're very fond of copies per mL, and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53337.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">some people talk about PCL detectable units per mil.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53365.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And it's very difficult if you try and compare results</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53392.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from different laboratories to find some sort of common</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53419.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ground.  What the WHO does is to establish an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53447.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">international standard which is calibrated in a commonly</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53474.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">accepted unit, and this is a very arbitrary unit called</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53501.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the international unit, and then the next step is to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53529.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">calibrate all the existing working reagents against the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53556.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">international standard.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:53583.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one.  At present we have three</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53611.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">international standards that have been established.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53638.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">first standard was the hepatitis C virus international</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53666.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standard which as was mentioned previously is a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53693.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">lyophilized preparation off of the genotype 1A isolate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53720.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and each vial contains 50,000 international units.  This</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53748.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is defined.  This standard was established in 1997.  In</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:54592.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54607.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:54607.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:54607.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53910.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">October this year there were two further standards</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53938.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">established: the hepatitis B international standard</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53965.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which is a genotype A, subtype adw and this standard</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:53992.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contains one million international units per vial.  And</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54020.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">finally, the HIV-1 international standard which is based</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54047.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on a CBER material which is a positive donation diluted</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54074.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in defibrinated plasma and lyophilized.  In this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54102.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standard, each vial contains 100,000 international</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54129.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">units.  So at present we have three international</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54157.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standards that have been established and we're planning</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54184.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to establish the standard for Parvovirus B19 in the near</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54211.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">future.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:54239.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one.  Okay, and I think Michael Chudy</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54266.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">showed this.  Having established the standard for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54293.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hepatitis C virus RNA, we then calibrated some of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54321.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">commonly available working reagents against the standard</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54348.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and this table shows the calibration and international</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54375.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">units of the standard such as the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54403.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Paul-Ehrlich, the NIBSC standard, the CLB Pelispy, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54430.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standard from the Institute Superior di Sanita in Rome</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54458.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and the CBER Panel No. 1 which is part of the panel that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54485.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">May Nguyen has established.  And on the right hand</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54512.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">column you can see the calibration of international</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55399.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:55399.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:55399.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54702.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these working reagents to directly compare the results</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54730.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with a laboratory using one of the other reagents.  So</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54757.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I think you can see the value of calibrating everything</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54784.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in a common unit.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:54812.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">One of the things that is confusing is the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54839.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">correlation between the international unit and genome</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54866.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">equivalence.  And the international standard has been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54894.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assigned a titer to 10 international units per mL and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:303.35pt;top:54893.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">5</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:54921.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this is not dependent on the sensitivity of the assay.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:54949.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">It's defined as having some international units.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:54976.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In contrast, when laboratories quantitate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55003.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">samples in genome equivalence or copies per mL, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55031.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">figure they end up with is very dependent on the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55058.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitivity of the assay.  So what this means is that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55085.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the ratio of genome equivalence per mL to international</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55113.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">units will vary depending on the sensitivity of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55140.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assay.  And I haven't got the slide here, but I have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55167.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">data which shows that it can vary anything from one</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55195.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">international unit being equivalent to three genome</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55222.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">equivalence right up to eight genome equivalence.  And</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55250.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I think the only accurate way of trying to decide this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55277.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is to run a sample in parallel with the international</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55304.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standard and get a direct correlation in IU.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:55332.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">May I have the next one, please?  Okay,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:56176.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56191.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:56191.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:56191.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55494.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'll switch slightly and talk about the quality control</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55522.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of NAT assays.  Michael Chudy talked about the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55549.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">validation of NAT assays, and I won't go into this, and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55576.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as Michael sort of said, there are guidelines from the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55604.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">European Pharmacopoeia that pertain to the validation of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55631.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT assays.  Another way to insure the quality of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55658.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT assay is to use a calibrated working reagent or a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55686.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">run control in every assay run.  And finally,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55713.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">participation in proficiency studies is to be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55741.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recommended.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:55768.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one.  One of the things we do -- we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55795.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">established a working reagent for hepatitis C virus RNA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55823.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">back in 1994, and this sample was sent out to different</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55850.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">labs, and we recommended testing the sample neat, 1 in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55877.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">10, and 1 in 100 dilution.  The sample contains roughly</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55905.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">4,000 genome equivalence per mL which by calibration</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55932.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">against the international standard is just 700</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55959.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">international units per mL.  And laboratories return</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:55987.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">results to NIBSC every month.  We analyze the results,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56014.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and send out a report on a yearly basis.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:56042.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And I think in the next slide I'll show you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56069.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">some results which give you an idea of what happens.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56096.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now these bubble plots represent the number of positive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56124.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assays over a time period, and you can see that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:56968.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56983.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:56983.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:56983.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56286.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">laboratories can either pick all of them up as in A or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56314.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fail to pick any of the samples up as in D.  I think</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56341.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this illustrates the use of using a working reagent.  In</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56368.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fact, in laboratory B the assay improved over time by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56396.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">changing the extraction method.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:56423.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one.  Finally, this is the result of a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56450.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recent proficiency study that we run in the U.K. with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56478.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">five laboratories, and we had a dilution panel of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56505.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">genotype 1 and a genotype 3 sample, and you can see that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56533.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">most laboratories were able to pick up between 20 to 50</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56560.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">international units per mL in this proficiency panel.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.80pt;top:56587.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This was a blind panel that was sent five labs.  And</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56615.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we're hoping to send out similar panels twice a year to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56642.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">labs for the proficiency.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:56669.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  This slide briefly shows the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56697.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">distribution of the working reagents.  We started off</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56724.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with HCV and we reached a peak of the distribution in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56751.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">1998, and that's dropped a bit this year because people</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56779.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have calibrated their own in-house working reagents</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56806.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">against the international standards, so they don't need</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56834.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to use a commercial reagent.  We have reagents to B19</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56861.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and the use of that is increasing which I think shows</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:56888.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the interest in this virus.  HAV is pretty slow at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:57760.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57775.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:57775.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:57775.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57078.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HBV.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:57106.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one.  And on this slide it shows</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57133.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">distribution of hepatitis C working international</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57160.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standard and the B.  And you can see that the use of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57188.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">international standard has increased as people calibrate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57215.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the assays in international units.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:57242.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And finally, I'll talk a little bit about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57270.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the introduction of NAT testing and some of this has</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57297.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">been covered by Michael Chudy.  One of the original</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57325.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reports in 1994 you're all familiar with was on the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57352.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">transmission of hepatitis C by intravenous</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57379.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">immunoglobulins and the introduction of testing steps,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57407.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and following this CPMP urged marketing authorization</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57434.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">holders to develop and validate similar assays.  May I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57461.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have the next one?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:57489.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And again, there were recommendations on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57516.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">intramuscular immunoglobulin testing in 1995 and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57543.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recommendations by the CPMP but no final date set.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:57571.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">May I have the next one?  And this is a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57598.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">slide that Michael showed and this is really the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57626.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discussion in the biotechnology working party on the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57653.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">introduction of nucleic acid testing.  And I wanted to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57680.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">show you this to try and illustrate how the biotech</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57708.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">working party arrived at the figure of 100 international</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:57834pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:57834pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:57834pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:57833.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">74</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:58552.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58567.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:58567.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:58567.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57870.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">units per mL for the tests.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:57898.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I think we might skip.  So again, some of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57925.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the things that were discussed in the biotechnology</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57952.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">working party back in May 1997 were the problems with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:57980.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">using assays of different sensitivities which I've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58007.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">talked about, the level of control that should be used,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58034.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and the EAPPI and EPFA proposed a detection limit of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58062.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">1,000 genome equivalence per mL, while the control</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58089.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">authorities wanted to have more like 400 genome</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58117.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">equivalents per mL which was equivalent to 1 in 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58144.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">dilution of the working reagent.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:58171.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And this data was based on some of the data</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58199.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we got back from laboratories who could pick up 400</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58226.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">genome equivalence in all assays, and these were several</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58253.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturers and some control authorities.  So the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58281.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reason for setting the limit at 400 was based on hard</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58308.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">data that we had collected over several years.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:58335.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one.  And on the 20th of February 1998</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58363.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with the establishment of the international standard</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58390.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which was established in October 1997, we then said that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58418.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the level could be set at 100 international units per mL</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58445.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which was equivalent to 400 genome equivalents or a 1 in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58472.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">10 dilution of the NIBSC standard.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:58500.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one.  And what was decided was that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:59344.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59359.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:59359.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:59359.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58662.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the run control should be positive in every assay run,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58690.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and the level at which it was set was critical.  If the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58717.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">level was too high, then laboratories with less</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58744.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitive assays could pass batches of blood products</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58772.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which would fail in other laboratories and this was a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58799.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">concern.  And conversely if the level was set too low,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58826.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this would result in the majority of assays failing and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58854.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">having to be repeated.  So it was quite critical at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58881.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which level the standard was set.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:58909.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one.  And to show that it was -- that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58936.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">100 international units per mL was achievable, we shared</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58963.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">some data that was collected during the collaborative</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:58991.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">study to establish the international standard, and you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59018.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">can see that most of the laboratories could pick up less</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59045.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">than 100 international units per mL in 95 percent of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59073.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assays.  That was 95 percent detection limit.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:59100.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one.  And so based on all this data</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59127.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and after all this discussion, the CPMP said that from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59155.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the first of July batches would have to be tested for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59182.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HCV, and the limit would be 100 international units per</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59210.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mL so this limit was based on hard data rather than</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59237.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plucked out of the air.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:59264.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Could I go to the last one, please?  So I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59292.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">think what I want to conclude with is that it was very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:60136.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60151.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:60151.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:60151.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59454.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">important to set up international standards and working</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59482.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reagents which were calibrated before we could think</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59509.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about introducing routine testing of NAT.  And I'll</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59536.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">finish up by doing some advertisements, I think. The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59564.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">next NIBSC/EPFA workshop which is going to be on May</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59591.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">10th and 11th next year is going to be held in Madrid,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59618.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in Spain, and it's sponsored by the Spanish Medicines</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59646.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Agency and that would be followed on the 12th by the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59673.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">SoGAT workshop which is a WHO workshop on the 12th of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59701.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">May.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:59728.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you very much.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:59755.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:59783.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Thank you very much, Dr.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59810.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Saldanha.  I enjoyed your talk.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:59837.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We will now take a break which I think is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59865.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">listed on the agenda as too short.  I think we ought to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59892.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have at least 20 minutes because of the possibility of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59919.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">lines where you get coffee.  You can get coffee in any</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59947.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of three places.  There's a cafeteria on the floor below</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:59974.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this which you reach by going left after you go out the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60002.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">doors and down a stairwell.  There is another cafeteria</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60029.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that you reach by going straight back after you leave</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60056.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these doors, as far as you can go and then ask</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:60928.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60943.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:60943.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:60943.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60246.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a Starbucks Coffee stand that you would pass on your way</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60274.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">going straight back from these doors.  So we'll start</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60301.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">again in 20 minutes.  Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:60328.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Whereupon, the meeting went off the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:60356.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">record at 9:53 a.m. and went back on the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:60383.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">record at 10:17 a.m.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:60410.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  For anyone who is just outside</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60438.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the doors, could you pass the word that we're about to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60465.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">begin?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:60493.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We're beginning approximately or nearly 20</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60520.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">minutes after the scheduled time to begin.  And because</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60547.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of that the second session of the morning will run 20</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60575.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">minutes later than scheduled.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:60602.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The next session is about the industry's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60629.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">experience with NAT screening of donors to date, and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60657.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">it's divided into two parts.  The first is primarily</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60684.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">related to screening source plasma, plasma for further</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60711.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturing derivatives, and the second part dealing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60739.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with blood bank screening which, of course, involves</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60766.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">both whole blood and its components and the resultant</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60794.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recovered plasma.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:60821.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The moderators of these two sessions are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:60848.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Dr. Andrew Dayton who is in the Laboratory of Molecular</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61735.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:61735.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:61735.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61038.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Division of Emerging and Transfusion Transmitted</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61066.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Diseases in CBER.  The moderators of this session will</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61093.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">introduce the speakers and because of the time</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61120.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">limitations, I want to remind the speakers to try to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61148.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">limit their talks to eight or nine minutes, if at all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61175.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">possible.  The two portions of this session will be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61202.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">followed by a short discussion period, and I realize</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61230.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that it's a short discussion period, so that if there's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61257.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">interest in further discussion, we can continue the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61285.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discussion after lunch.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:61312.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'll turn over the microphone to Drs.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61339.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Biswas and Dayton.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:61367.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  Okay.  Well I think everybody</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61394.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seems to have largely returned to their seats.  Why</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61421.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">don't we just get started.  Let me remind you again that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61449.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we have about ten minutes per speaker so if each speaker</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61476.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">would aim for about eight or nine minutes, we could stay</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61503.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on schedule.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:61531.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In the first section on Plasma for Further</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61558.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Manufacturing, the first speaker is Andrew Conrad from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61586.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NGI.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:61613.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. CONRAD:  All right.  I'm going to sort</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61640.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of set the table for my colleagues from Alpha and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61668.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Baxter, and we're going to describe some of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:62512.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62527.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:62527.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:62527.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61830.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">collaborative studies that we've performed.  We actually</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61858.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">began doing testing under IND in June of 1997.  I just</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61885.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">wanted to get that out.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:61912.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">What we're going to do is I'm going to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61940.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">explain the methodology and a little bit of data and let</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61967.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">my colleagues describe the findings of these large</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:61994.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">clinical trials that we conducted under IND.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:62022.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Basically, our concept was that source</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62049.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma donations are currently tested, were currently</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62077.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tested for a variety of serologic and antigen tests.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62104.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The antigen and antibody testing methodologies failed to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62131.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detect what we called the window period donors.  So</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62159.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because the window period donations were not always</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62186.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">removed, and have the potential to derive, I mean, to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62213.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">transmit HBV, HCV and HIV that we could find,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62241.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementing NAT testing would bring an additional level</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62268.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of safety.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:62295.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So what we wanted to do was demonstrate the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62323.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">effectiveness of using the source plasma screening with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62350.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT testing in a pooled format.  The pool, we feel, is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62378.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">an important advance in that it makes logistics much</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62405.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">more simple and I think as you'll see later that we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62432.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cannot take pooled testing to new levels in the future.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:62460.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Basically, this is the system that we use</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:63304.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63319.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:63319.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:63319.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62622.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">at National Genetics in collaboration again with now</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62650.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Alpha, Baxter, Bayer and others.  We use a system, a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62677.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">robotic pooling device called the TECAN and we make</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62704.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these sort of complex pools.  What we do is we lay 512,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62732.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">up to 512, samples on the deck of the TECAN.  Now it's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62759.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">important to note that 512 is just 8 by 8 by 8, but you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62786.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">can do any symmetrical number.  You can do 7 by 7 by 7,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62814.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">6 by 6 by 6, and use this algorithm to make smaller</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62841.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools.  It's important to know that because if you want</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62869.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to dial in better sensitivity, you can use smaller</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62896.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools.  But later, you'll see I'm going to advocate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62923.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">another way to get better sensitivity.  So what</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62951.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">basically happens is the samples -- my laser pointer</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:62978.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sort of got a weird point on it -- the samples are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63005.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">placed on the deck in eight groups of 64.  Each of these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63033.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">groups are then placed into what we call rows, columns</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63060.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and layers.  These are primary pools.  The rows, column</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63087.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and layers are then taken and placed into a master pool.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.85pt;top:63115.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">If the master pool is found to be negative, then you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63142.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">can assume that all its members are negative, well,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63170.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">below cutoff.  If it's positive, by testing the row,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63197.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">layer, and column, you can arrive at the single positive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63224.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation.  In this case, you can see that Z3, Y3 and X1</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63252.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was positive and that results in an intersection here</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:64096.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64111.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:64111.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:64111.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63414.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and a single positive donation identified.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:63442.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Somebody is chain sawing something.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:63469.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Laughter.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:63496.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So basically that's the algorithm that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63524.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we've employed for these clinical trials.  What's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63551.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">important is the bigger the pool, the higher the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63578.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitivity of the assay has to be so what we have --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63606.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the sensitivity of the assay in our FDA submissions for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63633.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV was a mean detection of 1.4 copy per mL and a 95</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63661.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent detection of five copies per mL and this is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63688.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">using the UltraQual 2000 which is based on a 2 mL for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63715.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reaction assay.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:63743.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">For hepatitis C, here are the numbers.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63770.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We've got 1 international unit; six international units</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63797.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and this is based on a 1 mL assay.  Why I keep telling</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63825.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you how many mLs we prep from the master pool is going</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63852.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to be important, and it's going to become very important</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63879.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in a minute, and you'll see why.  For HBV which is now</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63907.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">under IND, we're testing under IND, it's about five</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63934.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">copies with a mean detection.  The 95 percent at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63962.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">time I made the slide wasn't done, but now I checked all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:63989.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the forms and it's around ten copies for 95 percent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64016.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detection.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:64044.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">What's important about this is earlier I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:64888.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64903.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:64903.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:64903.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64206.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">said that as you tool down -- this is an 8 by 8 by 8.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.60pt;top:64234.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This is a 7 by 7 by 7, 6 by 6 by 6 and so on pool --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64261.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you can see that the sensitivity on the per reaction</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64288.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">basis drops mathematically.  This is a person with HCV,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64316.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and their viremia is so high with HCV it doesn't really</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64343.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">matter.  But what I came to the revelation about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64370.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recently was that instead of making the pool smaller,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64398.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what I should do is test more of the pool because if I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64425.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tested 10 mLs or 5 mLs I could get all of the efficiency</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64453.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of pooling and still have to do one test.  So really</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64480.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what we're going to move forward in the future is in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64507.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">order to increase the sensitivity, instead of making the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64535.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pool smaller which makes the costs higher and makes the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64562.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">efficiency less, but what we should do is test the whole</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64589.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pool.  So our focus is going to shift from pool sizes to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64617.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the amount of pool we prep, and I think that's going to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64644.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be the fundamental change that we perform in the next</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64671.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">few months as we add new and better technologies on.  If</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64699.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we can prep more, we can make pooling more and more</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64726.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitive and eventually you'll have numbers of 0.1</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64754.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">virion per mL because you're testing 10 mLs or more.  I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64781.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">think that's going to be an important fundamental</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64808.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">change.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:64836.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Like I said, there's economic reasons and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:65680.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65695.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:65695.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:65695.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:64998.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">there's practical reasons before this because the cost</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65026.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of pooling at 512 with a frequency of, say, 1 in 100,000</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65053.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is about 41 or 47 cents per donation, so economically,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65080.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this can make tremendous amounts of sense and if we can</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65108.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">get the pool sensitivity down by testing more of it, it</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65135.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">becomes a safe and economic mechanism for intervening.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:65162.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Basically, our methodology, just a brief</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65190.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">summary of how it works, is we do everything in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65217.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">duplicate because we think that redundancy is the best</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65245.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">form of quality control.  So for every virus we do two</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65272.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">separate primer sets.  We use John Saldanha's multiplex</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65299.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">control as well as the other standards.  All the samples</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65327.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are first checked for virus and then they're checked for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65354.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the presence of an internal control.  This is just an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65381.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">example.  Here's a positive sample on both, a negative</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65409.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sample and what's important about a negative sample is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65436.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that the internal control has to show.  So this is all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65463.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">done on an automated Southern Blotting machine with a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65491.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">computer scan and that's basically what the data looks</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65518.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">like.  Here are the positive controls and they're done</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65546.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in quadruplicate.  One is a WHO standard diluted.  One</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65573.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is our own working control.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:65600.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And then just a brief discussion setting</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65628.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the table again for my associates.  In the INDs that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:66472.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66487.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:66487.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:66487.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65790.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we've performed, we've found only four positive donors</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65818.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">out of about 100,000 donors for HIV.  We found 32</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65845.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive donors out of 100,000 donors for HCV.  And we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65872.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">found 11 positive donors out of 43,000 for HBV.  And I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65900.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">wanted to mention something about HBV because we won't</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65927.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">talk about that as much in the future.  Of the HBV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65954.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">people we found, now it's up to 17, 14 of them were S</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:65982.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antigen negative but cor antibody positive.  That's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66009.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because the plasma industry doesn't test for cor</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66037.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antibody.  They test for S antigen.  Of the three other</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66064.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">people that we found that were cor antibody positive and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66091.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viremic, but not S antigen positive, the highest level</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66119.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of viremia was 43,000 and I know Mike Busch quoted my</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66146.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">own slide with Sue, but now we think that we have found</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66173.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one guy who is a little bit higher, up to 43,000 with no</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66201.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S antigen.  The lowest person had 500 copies.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:66228.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So these are the prevalence rates that we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66255.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">so far detected under these three INDs.  For the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66283.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">specifics on these data I will now turn it over to Don</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66310.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Baker and Charles Heldebrant.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:66338.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  So the next speaker is Don</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66365.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Baker from Baxter.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:66392.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BAKER:  Well, the wonders of modern</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66420.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">technology.  If I could have my first slide, please?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:67264.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67279.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:67279.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:67279.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66582.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Fantastic.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:66610.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Dr. Mied indicated that the general</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66637.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">experience is that everything takes longer and costs</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66664.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">more, I think I would certainly say that for PCR</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66692.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing, contrary to that indication, our experience has</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66719.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">been that while it may have taken longer, it actually</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66746.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">probably costs less than we initially anticipated to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66774.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">introduce this technology.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:66801.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The experience I'm going to talk about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66829.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">today covers approximately 22 months of testing.  In</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66856.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that period we took, tested approximately 2.6 million</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66883.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations.  Now this is not an unscreened population,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66911.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">obviously.  These are individuals who have passed our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66938.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">normal donor questionnaires, have been excluded for all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66965.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the risk factors that are examined.  They are also</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:66993.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seronegative, so all these individuals have been tested</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67020.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for HIV, HCV, HBV.  From that, we constructed a little</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67047.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">over 5,000 master pools, and those of you who can do the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67075.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">math quickly, 5,000 times 512 comes out to approximately</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67102.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">2.5 million and change.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:67130.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Of these, the donation disposition, in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67157.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">other words, the time from the donor appearing at our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67184.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">collection center to the disposition of the plasma unit</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67212.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is shown in this slide.  In 1998 that was averaging</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:67338pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:67338pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:67338pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:67337.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">86</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:68056.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68071.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:68071.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:68071.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67374.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">approximately 50 days.  Now as you know, the source</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67402.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma industry uses a 60-day inventory hold, so we were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67429.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">getting the results back on average within that 60-day</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67456.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">period and in fact, we were not releasing any donations</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67484.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">until we had our PCR tests.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:67511.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In 1999, that average had dropped to, year</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67538.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to date, is 36 days and we're projecting that in 2000,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67566.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the average will be 25 days.  Now clearly if you're a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67593.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood banker those figures don't look particularly good;</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67621.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">however, for those of us in the source plasma industry</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67648.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this is fine because it is well within our hold period.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:67675.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">For HCV, of those 5,000 odd pools, we had</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67703.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">330 pools which initially tested positive.  From those</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67730.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in retest, when we broke them down as Andy indicated, we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67757.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">only found four in which there was a false positive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67785.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which is quite an acceptable rate of false positivity.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:67812.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This resulted in us being able to exclude</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67839.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">126 individuals who would have otherwise contributed to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67867.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the pool.  So from the perspective of a manufacturer,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67894.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what this means is roughly five individuals a month,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67922.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">five to six individuals a month, we're excluding who</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67949.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">would have otherwise contributed donations to our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:67976.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturing pools.  So this certainly a worthwhile</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:68848.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68863.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:68863.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:68863.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:68166.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In addition, to the extent that HCV is a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68194.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">potential surrogate marker for other blood-borne</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68221.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pathogens or for risk behaviors that one wouldn't want</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68248.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to see in a donor population, certainly the impact of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68276.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this test is magnified and we're quite happy with the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68303.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HCV testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:68330.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV, on the other hand, is less dramatic in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68358.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">terms of its impact.  Again from the 5,000 odd pools, we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68385.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">found 21 that were initially positive.  The reason,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68413.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">obviously, for the much fewer number is, of course, that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68440.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">p24 testing is used and the shorter window period for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68467.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV to seroconversion.  Of those, only 17 were confirmed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68495.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive.  On a percentage basis, it looks like we have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68522.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a higher false positivity rate with HIV, but I think</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68549.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this is more probably just the statistics in small</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68577.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">numbers.  And this allowed us to exclude nine</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68604.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individuals who would have otherwise contributed over</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68631.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that period.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:68659.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So in summary, the system works.  It is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68686.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">robust.  We certainly haven't seen a problem with either</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68714.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the data transfer or resolving these in the time lines</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68741.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we'd set for ourselves, and the false positive rates are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68768.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very low for these kinds of tests,  reproducible and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68796.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">timely.  Our expanding test menu.  We have initiated our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:69640.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69655.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:69655.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:69655.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68958.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HBV testing.  We anticipate on initiating Parvovirus</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:68986.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing next month and the jury is still a little bit</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69013.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">out on the timing of HAV.  We anticipate that this test</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69040.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">will offer much less value to the manufacturers, but it</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69068.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is still on our menu.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:69095.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:69122.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:69150.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  Thank you very much.  Our next</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69177.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">speaker is Charles Heldebrant from Alpha.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:69205.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. HELDEBRANT:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.10pt;top:69232.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'll go through the first two fairly quickly and we'll</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69259.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">get right on to it.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:69287.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'm going to talk about a summary of our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69314.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">clinical trials of HIV and HCV screening of source</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69341.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma for further manufacture.  And that's just me.  Go</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69369.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on to the next one.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:69396.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Alpha Therapeutic and National Genetics</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69423.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">conducted prospective clinical trials to determine the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69451.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">safety and effectiveness of source plasma screened, of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69478.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pool samples with the NGI, UltraQual, reverse</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69506.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">transcriptase, HIV and HCV, PCR assays.  As Andy</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69533.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">indicated, our samples were pooled into master pools of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69560.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">not more than 512 samples and tested with the NGI assay.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:69588.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Individual samples of each source plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:70432.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70447.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:70447.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:70447.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69750.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation were tested with our current FDA approved</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69778.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">serology screening.  All of our new donors were screened</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69805.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">by serology first.  Serology positive donations were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69832.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">excluded and were not PCR tested.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:69860.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In our program, a new donor that has passed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69887.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">two donor screenings by serology and PCR is classified</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69914.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as a qualified donor.  Qualified donors were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69942.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">concurrently screened by PCR and by serology.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:69969.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">All of the donors detected by PCR during</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:69997.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the prospective screening were offered enrollment into</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70024.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a follow-up study to confirm infection.  All PCR or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70051.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">serology reactive samples were disqualified from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70079.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturing use.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:70106.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">To talk about assay sensitivity, when we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70133.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">carried out the trial for HCV we used a 1 mL sample size</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70161.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with four reactions per assay.  The analytical</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70188.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitivity in genome copies per mL is 20.  That</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70215.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">translates to approximately five to six international</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70243.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">units.  The number of virus copies per individual</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70270.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation required for 95 percent detection when diluted</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70298.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">512 fold in a master pool is approximately 10,000, or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70325.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about 2500 international units.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:70352.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">For HIV, we use a 2 ml sample size for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70380.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactions.  The analytical sensitivity is five copies</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:70506pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:70506pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:70506pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:70505.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">90</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:71224.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71239.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:71239.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:71239.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70542.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">per mL or approximately 2500 virus copies per individual</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70570.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation for 95 percent detection.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:70597.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In this particular study, just give it a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70624.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">twist there, if you would, just give it a 90 degree</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70652.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">twist.  There we go.  This shows you four of the donors</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70679.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">who we identified in the prospective HIV screening.  At</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70706.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Day Zero what you find -- this is the day when they</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70734.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">first became PCR positive.  The black bars here</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70761.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">represent all prior and subsequent samples available for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70789.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">each of these individuals.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:70816.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">You can see that prior to the first PCR</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70843.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detection for these four individuals, all of them were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70871.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">negative when tested with PCR.  They were PCR positive,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70898.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">then became p24 positive and in the case of the two</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70925.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individuals who enrolled in the study, they were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70953.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">followed until they became antibody positive, confirming</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:70980.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">infection.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:71007.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We have a similar slide for the HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71035.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion.  This shows 22 subjects who were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71062.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">identified.  Again, individuals were PCR positive at Day</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71090.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Zero.  Prior donations are listed here.  Some of them</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71117.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have extensive prior donation histories.  As Dr. Busch</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71144.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and many of you have seen, there are extensive window</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71172.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">periods.  The red bar here representing the time when</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:72016.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72031.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:72031.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:72031.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71334.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the individual became HCV antibody positive.  You can</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71362.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">see that these individuals can donate a significant</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71389.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">number of highly viremic units into the pool.  Of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71416.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">particular note is Donor No. 5 who never became antibody</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71444.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive.  He was antibody negative at this point and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71471.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">became PCR negative at this point.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:71498.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  In terms of our clinical trial</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71526.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">results for HCV and HIV, 342,000 donations.  We removed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71553.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">85 HCV positive donations and six HIVs.  For those of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71581.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you who like to count viruses that are removed from the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71608.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools, it's almost 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:306.25pt;top:71607.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">12</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:326.35pt;top:71608.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">copies of HCV and almost a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71635.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">billion copies of HIV.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:71663.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The clinical specificity as designed into</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71690.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the protocols was 100 percent.  The clinical sensitivity</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71717.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of PCR for HIV is 100 percent.  The clinical sensitivity</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71745.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of antigen and antibody was 27.8 percent.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:71772.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The clinical sensitivity of PCR for HCV in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71799.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our protocol was 70 percent.  However, we assume that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71827.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">all HCV positive donations were active infection, which</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71854.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is not the case.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:71882.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The clinical sensitivity of antigen or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71909.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antibody for HCV was 42 percent.  The mean reduction of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71936.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">window period for HCV, 57 days; and for HIV, greater</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:71964.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">than or equal to four days.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:72808.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72823.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:72823.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:72823.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:72126.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In terms of genotypes detected in our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72154.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">study, 77 percent were Type 1; 18 percent, Type 2; and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72181.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">five percent, Type 3.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:72208.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In terms of HIV screening methods, one of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72236.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the objectives of our trial was to provide data that p24</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72263.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antigen testing can be replaced by PCR testing.  To this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72290.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">end we looked at 288 HIV-1 infected samples, either from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72318.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion panels, look backs, low titered samples.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:72345.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In this particular group we had 288 samples.  When we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72373.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">look at these by pool PCR, HIV-1,2 antibody using look</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72400.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">back, inventory hold and the qualified donor standard</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72427.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which is available to manufacturers of source plasma for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72455.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">further manufacture, we got them all.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:72482.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We got the same result with individual PCR</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72509.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and antibody.  Individual PCR did not detect three</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72537.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antibody positive samples in this cohort.  Pooled PCR</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72564.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and HIV-1,2 antibody detected 87 percent.  The addition</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72591.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of p24 antigen to pooled PCR added nothing and no sample</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72619.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in any of our studies has been p24 antigen positive and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72646.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">PCR negative.  With p24 antigen alone and HIV antibody,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72674.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we detected 200 of the 288 or approximately 70 percent.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:72701.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">One fairly interesting advantage of this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72728.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">study, when we were analyzing some of these, we actually</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72756.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">came upon four donors that we would classify as eclipse</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:72882pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:72882pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:72882pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:72881.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">93</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:73600.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73615.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:73615.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:73615.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72918.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donors for HIV-1.  These donors were identified with a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72946.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very weak PCR positive result which is repeatable on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:72973.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these four donations.  They're followed by anywhere</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73000.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">between three and five PCR negative, p24 negative,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73028.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antibody negative donations in what we would surmise is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73055.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the eclipse period.  These donors then were followed by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73082.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a classical window period seroconversion where they are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73110.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">p24 positive only, followed by p24 antigen and then</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73137.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antibody seroconversion so that one of the benefits from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73165.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this is we believe that we've actually identified what</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73192.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we believe to be the eclipse period here for four</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73219.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">naturally detected donors.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:73247.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">To conclude, source plasma donor screening</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73274.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for HCV and HIV by PCR testing of pooled samples and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73301.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">appropriate serology of individual samples is safe and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73329.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">effective.  It results in the detection of virtually all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73356.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">window period donations.  It increases screening</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73383.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">specificity, it increases screening clinical</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73411.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitivity, and for HIV-1 is superior to p24 antigen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73438.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:73466.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The addition of PCR testing of pooled</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73493.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">samples to source plasma donor screening, coupled with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73520.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">inventory hold, lookback -- those are components of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73548.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">quality plasma program -- virtually eliminates HCV and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:74392.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74407.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:74407.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:74407.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73710.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV donations for manufacturing pools.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:73738.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The results of our trials show that the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73765.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">screening of source plasma for HCV and HIV by PCR</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73792.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing of pools of up to 512 samples and serology of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73820.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individual samples is safe and effective.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:73847.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:73874.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:73902.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  Thank you very much for that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73929.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">excellent presentation.  The next speaker is Alan Liss</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:73957.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from Centeon.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:73984.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. LISS:  Thank you very much.  And now</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74011.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for something completely different.  We do not use NGI</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74039.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for our PCR testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:74066.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Laughter.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:74093.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Instead -- next slide, please -- as you may</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74121.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have heard a number of times, we have an in-house</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74148.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">developed test that originally was developed in our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74175.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">laboratory in Germany, and you'll be hearing from Dr.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74203.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thomas Weimer this afternoon about some further</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74230.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">developments.  We have two laboratories, one in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74258.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Knoxville, Tennessee, where we do all of our U.S.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74285.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing for plasma and another one in Marburg, Germany.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:150.95pt;top:74312.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In Germany, we started our PCR testing in July 1997; in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74340.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the U.S., in April 1998 under an IND and to this date</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:75184.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75199.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:75199.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:75199.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74502.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we've around five million collections in our pool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74530.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">protocol.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:74557.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Slide, please.  Overall, our PCR objectives</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74584.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are the following three.  Screen all PCR, screen with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74612.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">PCR, all serology-negative samples; interdict the PCR-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74639.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive units prior to their pooling and use; and then,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74666.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for our donors, to notify them and counsel them with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74694.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this PCR information.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:74721.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'd like to present to you some of our on-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74749.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">going raw data.  We do test, as noted, with HBV, HCV and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74776.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV.  We've been able to identify, up until this date of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74803.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">around November, 56 positive units which we traced back</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74831.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to 29 donors, interdicting these number of units; 517</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74858.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HCV from 144 positive donors; and five positive HIV from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74885.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">four positive donors.  So the bottom line being an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74913.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">interdiction removal of 1,139 units that probably would</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74940.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">not have been caught by serology.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:74967.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Again, this is also going on in Europe and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:74995.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">just to give you an idea of some of the numbers there.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:75022.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">They have 21, 140 and 0 for their positive units,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75050.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">interdicting another 161 units from what they test in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75077.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Germany.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:75104.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Since we are currently in the IND, and it</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75132.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">has a clinical end to it, this is what we have to do for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:75976.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75991.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:75991.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:75991.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75294.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what we call our clinical substudy follow up.  We</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75322.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recruit or try to recruit, at least, our PCR reactive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75349.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donors into the study, follow them monthly, and sample</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75376.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for PCR and serology until they seroconvert.  I'd like</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75404.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to show you some data from our substudy.  Currently,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75431.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we're running about -- under a 30 percent enrollment</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75458.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">rate.  We try to get everyone back.  They don't, but our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75486.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">numbers are building.  And again, this is raw data and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75513.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we're in the middle of the study, but we're seeing, in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75541.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">general, a majority of our reactive, PCR reactive donors</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75568.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to be seroconverting.  There are some studies that we're</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75595.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">looking at now where there seems like an anomalous</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75623.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">number of HCVs who have completed the study but not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75650.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconverted.  We're looking into the details for that,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75677.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and we hope to be able to identify exactly what's going</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75705.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on for these cases.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:75732.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HBV.  Again, we have one person who's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75759.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">completed but not converted, and we're looking into the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75787.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reason for that as well.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:75814.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Speaking of HBV, since we're one of the few</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75842.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">companies to be doing this and have some numbers, we see</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75869.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">some importance in trying to follow up and look at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75896.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">rationale behind doing HBV and is it saving us any</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:75924.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">window period of time.  This is simply reflecting some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:76768.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76783.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:76783.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:76783.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76086.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">panels.  And this is the number of days between our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76114.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">first PCR reactive HVSAG nonreactive sample and our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76141.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">first PCR reactive HVSAG reactive sample, again, in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76168.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">panels, so not every panel is represented by the same</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76196.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">time lags in between.  If you look at the numbers here</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76223.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and draw an average, it's pretty close to the data that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76250.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was presented earlier today of a potential window</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76278.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">savings of in the high teens.  And when we have our real</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76305.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">data with our real donors, what preliminarily we found</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76333.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is it's in the same ballpark.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:76360.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  So in brief summary, we feel</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76387.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that we're in the middle of a very strong and positive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76415.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">PCR IND.  We are effectively screening 100 percent of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76442.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our plasma.  We are interdicting plasma from our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76469.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturing pools that otherwise would have gotten</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76497.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">through if we had just used standard serology.  And we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76524.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">think and we intend to use this to further help our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76551.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donors, as well, in helping identify their diseased</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76579.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">state earlier than with standard serology.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:76606.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:76634.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:76661.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  Thank you very much.  Our next</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76688.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">speaker is Brian Renoe from Bayer/Roche.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:76716.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. RENOE:  As Alan said, we're not testing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:77560.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77575.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:77575.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:77575.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76878.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">all of our samples with NGI as well.  We're using Roche</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76906.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for ours.  Let's go to the first slide.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:76933.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The testing I'm going to talk to you about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76960.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is happening at the Raleigh Test Laboratory in Raleigh,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:76988.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">North Carolina.  We got started on this in HCV in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77015.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">September of 1997.  I'd like to just kind of give you an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77042.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">overview of what's happening.  We're getting samples</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77070.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from 120 plasma centers.  If you could just show the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77097.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">next slide, please.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:77125.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The samples come to us every morning.  We</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77152.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">get about 10,000 samples by Federal Express.  We go</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77179.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">through this flow diagram, and it's not to really abuse</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77207.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you with a flow diagram, but I just wanted to point out</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77234.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that we tried to keep it as much in parallel as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77261.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">possible.  The extraction of the nucleic acids for both</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77289.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the HIV and HCV is happening virtually simultaneously,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77316.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and then we go through a parallel amplification</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77343.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detection process.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:77371.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The entirety of what you see here for HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77398.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and HIV is a turnaround time of about four and a half</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77426.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">days so far, so if we get a sample from the plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77453.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">center, the results are back in their hands in hard copy</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77480.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">form in about four and a half days.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:77508.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  First, let me tell you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78367.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:78367.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:78367.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77670.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a little about HIV.  HIV, we only got started on this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77698.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">year.  We elected to use an established reagent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77725.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturer for the kits so we're using the Roche HIV-1</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77752.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Ampliscreen, Version 1.5.  This kit is sharing the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77780.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Multiprep specimen extraction or up to the extraction</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77807.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">before amplification with HCV.  We're using 96 sample</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77834.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">minipools.  So far in the last three months or so we've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77862.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">done about 390,000 donations, 60,000 donors from 120</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77889.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma centers.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:77917.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  I don't have a lot of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77944.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">data then to show you, but we have been able to identify</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77971.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">eight positive donors in that period of time.  And most</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:77999.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of them were in the first couple of weeks.  Of those,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78026.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we've got three that are HIV-1 NAT-positive, p24</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78053.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">negative HIV-1,2 antibody negative and then you can see</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78081.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the rest.  I won't read through it.  We've been able to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78108.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">enroll two of those first three donors and one in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78135.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">category of NAT positive, p24 negative antibody positive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78163.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">at this point.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:78190.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  This is just to show you, we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78218.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">saw most of them very much up front.  I think this is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78245.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">probably the experience of most people is when we got</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78272.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">started we kind of cleared them out of the pool of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79159.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:79159.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:79159.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78462.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were within the first few weeks of HIV testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:78490.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  What we've tried to do is just</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78517.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a quick quantitation on some of those, and we were able</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78544.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to go back and catch about five samples here, six</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78572.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">samples, and you can see that it runs a titer in terms</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78599.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of copies per mL everywhere from 60 to about 600,000</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78626.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">copies for mL.  So it's certainly a range of effective</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78654.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">-- I guess I don't want to say infection, that's what</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78681.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'm hesitating on -- but effective titers.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:78709.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  Okay, we go to HCV.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78736.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We've got a lot more experience there.  We got started</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78763.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in September 1997, and this is dated through November of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78791.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this year.  Currently, we're using -- we got the Roche</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78818.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Ampliscreen kit, Version 2.2.  Same sort of data, 120</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78845.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma centers.  We looked at 3.6 million donations so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78873.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">far which represents well over 200,000 donors.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:78900.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  Here we've got a lot more</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78927.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">people that we've been able to -- we found as NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78955.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive, 208 NAT positive antibody negative donors so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:78982.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">far.  Ninety-six of those have been able to enroll in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79010.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">follow up studies.  Six of them are pending enrollments.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.90pt;top:79037.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Last time I talked with the FDA, they were concerned</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79064.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with the number that we weren't able to locate, and so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79092.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we went back and actually tried to relocate a number of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:79936.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79951.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:79951.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:79951.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79254.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these donors, and actually 90 of that 208 just won't</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79282.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">respond to letters or telephone calls, so we're</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79309.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">considering them virtually lost to follow-up at this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79336.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">point.  Five of them declined.  Five agreed to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79364.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">participate but didn't show up, and then you can see the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79391.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">last six have other reasons for not being there.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:79418.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Laughter.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:79446.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  What it amounts to for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79473.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HCV, on a monthly basis, we're looking at something like</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79501.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">11 or 12 donations, I'm sorry, donors per month that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79528.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we're identifying as NAT positive.  We're doing the same</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79555.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sort of thing.  These people are supposed to be serology</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79583.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">negative before we see the samples, so these samples</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79610.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">would not have been normally caught, unless we were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79637.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">doing NAT screening.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:79665.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  Of those that we've been able</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79692.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to follow up, 62 of them have gone to seroconversion.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.10pt;top:79719.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Again, the same sort of data.  We're seeing 57 days as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79747.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the average window period.  One donor, interestingly</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79774.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">enough, that we identified fairly early on has still not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79802.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconverted.  At least the last time we saw a sample</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79829.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was May of 1999 of this year and we still are seeing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79856.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT-positive, but antibody negative on that particular</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:79884.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donor.  So, next slide.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:80010pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:80010pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:80010pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:80009.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">102</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:80728.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80743.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:80743.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:80743.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:80046.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This is just to give you a histogram of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80074.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion time, if you will.  Sometimes when you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80101.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">put up a number, everybody thinks it's happening at a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80128.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very nice normal distribution.  Obviously, it's, there's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80156.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a lot of spread here and this is pretty much an echo of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80183.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what you've seen from the other studies.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:80210.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  We also wanted to go back and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80238.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">just see what kind of range of titers on those donors</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80265.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that are coming up as NAT-positive we are actually</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80293.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">finding or measuring.  So we picked a number of donors</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80320.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">here that during the 30 days prior to the NAT positive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80347.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">result had a negative result.  And you can see that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80375.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">those cover a fairly broad spectrum of concentrations</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80402.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">when we do -- when we concentrated them here.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:80429.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So it's a little bit of a surprise to us</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80457.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because we didn't expect to see quite as many highs, but</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80484.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we were pleasantly surprised by the number of lows since</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80511.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">they're virtually below our 95 percent detection limit.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:80539.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  Okay, so a conclusion.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:80566.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Basically, the NAT -- using NAT to identify suspect</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80594.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">infectious plasma donations certainly seems to be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80621.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">working for us as a part of the source plasma industry.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:80648.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">When you couple that -- again, I'm seeing the same</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80676.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">things in combination with the Amplicon donor programs</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:81520.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81535.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:81535.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:81535.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80838.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that are in place, inventory hold, QPP, viral</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80866.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">inactivation procedures and viral remover processes --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80893.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we think this is a very effective tool for removing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80920.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these NAT positive and suspect infectious donations from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:80948.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the plasma that goes into our products.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:80975.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:81002.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:81030.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  Okay, we will now go over to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81057.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the session on blood components for transfusion and our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81085.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">first speaker is Christina Giachetti, Senior Program</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81112.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Manager of Gen-Probe in San Diego, California.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:81139.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. GIACHETTI:  If I can have the first</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81167.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">slide, please?  Okay, my presentation is on the TMA,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81194.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV, HCV assays and the assays for HIV and HCV that earn</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81221.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a detection.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:81249.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Our assay objectives are to have a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81276.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitivity of at least 100 copies per mL for each</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81303.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">target, detection of HCV and HIV subtypes and closure of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81331.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the seroconversion window, specificity of higher than</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81358.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">99.5 percent, incorporation of an internal control for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81386.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">monitoring the assay in each sample, discriminatory</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81413.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assays for resolution of multiplex assay reactives, and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81440.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we're going to use the same assay formulations for our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81468.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">semi-automatic system or the enhanced semi-automatic</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:82312.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82327.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:82327.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:82327.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81630.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">system, as well as for our future fully automated TIGRIS</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81658.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">instrument.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:81685.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Our assay protocol contains the following</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81712.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">steps and here are pictures of the instrumentation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81740.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">involved.  First step is pipetting of the samples with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81767.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a TECAN, auto pipetting the TECAN pipette calibrators,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81794.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the specimens as well as the target capture reaction.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81822.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next step is sample processing, of course, viral lysis</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81849.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and RNA capture with the help of the target capture</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81877.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">system.  Next is amplification with the transcription-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81904.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mediated amplification, detection with the hybridization</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81931.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">protection assay and finally reading the results using</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:81959.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a luminometer.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:81986.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Our technology is all hybridization based.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:82013.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The first step is target capture where the target</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82041.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">capture reaction is added to the specimen.  This would</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82068.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">produce lysis of the virus and then the presence of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82095.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">capture oligomers or capture of our viral RNA to a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82123.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">capture oligomer which also will attach via a poly DA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82150.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and poly DT test to magnetic particles.  And then we use</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82178.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">magnetic separations to separate our captured RNA from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82205.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the rest of the specimen.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:82232.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Amplification used in transcription-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82260.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mediated amplification which utilizes two enzymes,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:82386pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:82386pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:82386pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:82385.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">105</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:83104.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83119.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:83119.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:83119.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82422.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reverse transcriptase and T7 polymerase, amplifies RNA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82450.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">or DNA targets, produces RNA Amplicon, is beneficial,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82477.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very efficient and isothermal.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:82504.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Hybridizations were used, hybridization</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82532.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">protection assay that use acridinium-labeled probes to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82559.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be able to hybridize with our Amplicon.  After</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82586.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hybridization, there is a selection state where the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82614.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">label in the unprotected, unhybridized probe gets</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82641.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">destroyed while the label in the probe that is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82669.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hybridized to the target is protected and followed by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82696.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detection with chemiluminescence.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:82723.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We use the dual kinetic analysis to be able</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82751.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to differentiate internal control signals versus targets</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82778.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seen not in this sample.  We do this by the use of two</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82805.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">different probes with different kinetics of light-off.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:82833.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We label our internal control with a flasher probe with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82860.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very fast kinetics of light-off and we label our probe,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82887.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">probes to the target, with a glower probe with slow</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82915.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">kinetics of light-off.  We use exponential tight feed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82942.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">algorithms to be able to calculate the signals from the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:82970.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">target versus internal control.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:82997.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This contains an internal control in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83024.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">samples of assay calibrators, three negative</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83052.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">calibrators, three HIV positive calibrators and three</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:83896.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83911.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:83911.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:83911.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83214.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HCV positive calibrators.  Calibrators are run at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83242.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">beginning of each run.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:83269.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The internal control is an RNA transcript</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83296.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which is another in nature specimen with a target</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83324.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">capture reagent; is detected with our internal control</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83351.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pressure probe; controls for HIV and ACV RNA capture</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83378.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">amplification, and detection;  and monitors performance</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83406.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of reagents, operator and instrumentation. Our initial</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83433.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">internal control failure rate in our hands is 0.5</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83461.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent and a repetitive internal control failure rate,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83488.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">indicative of inhibition, is extremely rare.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:83515.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Our assay validity has two criteria:</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83543.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sample validity as well as run validity.  In sample</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83570.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">validity, the internal control signal must be higher</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83597.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">than the cut-off in nonreactive samples, but the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83625.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">internal control signal is not used in reactive samples.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:83652.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In run validity, seven out of nine</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83679.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">calibrators, (2 out of three of each kind) have to be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83707.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">valid and also have a criteria center of less than ten</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83734.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent of invalid random results in the complete run.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.15pt;top:83762.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Calibrators are used to calculate the floating cutoff.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:83789.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Receiver Operator Curve analysis of the specificity and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83816.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitivity data indicates the for cut-off to obtain</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:83844.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">higher than 99.5 percent on specificity and sensitivity.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:83970pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:83970pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:83970pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:83969.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">107</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:84688.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84703.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:84703.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:84703.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:84034.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Our calculations indicate that cutoff</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84061.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">between 45,000 and 72,000 for the multiplex assay will</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84088.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">give these bodies of sensitivity and specificity.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84116.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Results for the discriminatory assay show 39, between</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84143.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">39,000 and 255,000 and for the assay discriminatory,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84170.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">it's between 44,000 and 526,000.  This indicates of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84198.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assay where variations of the cutoff will not be by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84225.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">modifying our specificity and sensitivity.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:246.20pt;top:84253.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I will switch now and talk a little bit</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84280.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about assay performance.  I will show data from an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84307.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">analytical sensitivity and specificity and later on in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84335.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the afternoon session Sheryl McDonough will give some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84362.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">results regarding clinical sensitivity and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84389.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reproducibility.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:84417.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We evaluated an analytical sensitivity of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84444.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">five different lots of reagents using in-house</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84471.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">analytical sensitivity panels for HIV as well as for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84499.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HCV.  Here, we see in all the cases with five lots of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84526.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reagents, we have 100 percent detection of the 100</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84554.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">copies per mL level and of the 30 copies per mL levels,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84581.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we are higher than 90 percent.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:84608.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Results for HVC are similar.  Again, we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84636.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have 100 percent detection at 100 genomic equivalents</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:85480.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85495.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:85495.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:85495.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84798.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">per mL and we have higher than 90 percent of the 30</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84826.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">genomic equivalents per mL and results are very similar</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84853.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for the different lots of reagents showing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84880.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reproducibility.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:84908.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">To compute the sensitivities, we have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84935.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tested several nucleic acid standards in panels, like in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84962.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this case, I show results from the CBER panel for HIV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:84990.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">where we are able to detect the 100 copies per</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85017.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitivity panel members as well as the ten copy and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85045.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the 50 copy.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:85072.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">For HCV, we have tested also CBER panel as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85099.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">well as dilutions of the WHO standard.  Again, we show</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85127.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that we can detect a positivity to the ten copies per mL</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85154.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">panel level for the CBER panel and were able to detect</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85181.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">down to three international units per mL from the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85209.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">dilution of the WHO panel.  This confirms our analytical</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85236.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitivity.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:85263.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We did a lot of hybridization for subtype</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85291.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detection.  Here, is a summary slide where we show about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85318.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">200 different viral isolates and 200 different specimens</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85346.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">infected with different HIV subtypes, which were tested</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85373.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and the assay was positive in all of them.  As an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85400.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">example, I can show results from the subtype CBER panel</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85428.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">where we have made serial dilutions of the panels and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:85554pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:85554pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:85554pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:85553.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">109</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:86272.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86287.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:86287.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:86287.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85590.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test which is our limit of detections.  In all the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85618.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cases, our limit of detection was always lower than 100</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85645.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">copies per mL.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:85672.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We also looked at sensitivities of those</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85700.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">who have prepared separate transcripts and here we show</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85727.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">100 percent positivity rate for transcript for subtypes</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85754.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">G, A, H, as well as O.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:85782.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HCV subtypes also were evaluated with clean</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85809.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">colored specimens as shown in this slide, as well as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85837.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with RNA transcript and here we show again 100 percent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85864.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detection for HCV1a at 100 genomic equivalents per mL as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85891.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">well as for HCV2b.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:85919.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Specificity was tested in normal plasmas as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:85946.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">well as in samples.  We put in interference substances.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.10pt;top:85973.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The summary slide for specificity in  normal plasma as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86001.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we tried a lot of variation shows initial reactive rates</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86028.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for the multiplex assay is 0.79 percent.  HIV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86055.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discriminatory at 0.23 and HCV discriminatory 0.15.  In</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86083.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">all the cases, the repetitive reactive rate is zero</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86110.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent for 100 percent specificity.  In each, internal</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86138.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">control failure rates also are shown here: 0.31 percent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86165.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for Multiplex, 0.65 and 0.70 percent for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86192.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discriminatories again with zero percent of repetitive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87079.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:87079.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:87079.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:86382.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Conclusions from our assays are we have 95</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86410.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent detection of 100 copies per mL level for both</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86437.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">targets.  Fifty percent detection as a copy for HIV and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86464.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">five genomic equivalents for HCV.  Detection before</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86492.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion was 16.3 days before antibody for HIV and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86519.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">7.5 before antigen.  For HCV, an average of 32.8 days.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:86546.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Subtype detection was demonstrated.  Also</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86574.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for a specificity, we have 100 percent specificity with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86601.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">zero percent repetitive reactive rate in normal blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86629.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donor populations.  No interfering substances were found</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86656.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">so far for the zero percent repetitive internal control</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86683.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">failure rate and no adverse reactivity without</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86711.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">infectious agents or autoimmune conditions.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:86738.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And our program has been partnered in part</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86765.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with a grant of the National Heart Lung and Blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86793.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Institute.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:86820.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:86847.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:86875.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  Thank you very much.  We'll</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86902.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">now hear from Susan Stramer, Director of Labs at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86930.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">American Red Cross, Gaithersburg, Maryland.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:86957.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  Thank you.  Before going</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:86984.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">through the American Red Cross experience with NAT, what</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87012.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the major users -- that includes myself, Sally Caglioti</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:87138pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:87138pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:87138pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:87137.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">111</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:87856.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87871.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:87871.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:87871.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87174.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of BSI and Mike Strong of Puget Sound, we got together</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87202.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and decided we needed standardization.  So the three of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87229.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">us developed what I call a first generation list of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87256.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">definitions, so that in going through the blood banking</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87284.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">experience with NAT, we report data uniformly and I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87311.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">would like to go through those definitions and Sally and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87338.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">myself pretty much adhere to them.  Mike will take</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87366.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">another generation to meet the requirements of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87393.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">definitions.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:87421.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Okay, firstly, we'd like to define a yield</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87448.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sample which is a seronegative donation that is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87475.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">confirmed positive.  Let me just say before I go</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87503.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">further, I do have handouts of the definitions that I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87530.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">will make available at the back of the room.  Anyway, so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87557.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">moving from a yield sample which is really the purpose</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87585.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of our study to identify seronegative donations, we move</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87612.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">into what is a confirmed positive result and those are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87639.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">termed confirmed positives by three different</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87667.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">definitions.  One, positivity by a supplemental NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87694.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assay.  In the case of the Red Cross, we're using PCR.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:87722.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Two, positivity on an alternate sample that is plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87749.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and the positivity can be the primary NAT, an alternate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87776.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT and serology or positivity on a follow-up sample.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:87804.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  We define an initially reactive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:88648.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88663.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:88663.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:88663.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87966.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">result as a result that doesn't repeat.  For example, a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:87994.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pool that is reactive that cannot be resolved to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88021.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individual donations.  We define a repeatedly reactive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88048.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">result as a pool that is reactive that does resolve into</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88076.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one single donation or a pool that does retest is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88103.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:88130.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  We define a repeatedly reactive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88158.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">unresolved pool of result as a pool that is initially</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88185.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive.  The pool then resolves, but we cannot</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88213.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">identify a single reactive donation.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:88240.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Getting more complicated, we have a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88267.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">repeatedly reactive nondiscriminated donation and that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88295.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is a repeatedly reactive result that is one that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88322.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resolves to a single donation and this applies to the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88349.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Gen-Probe users with the use of the discriminatory</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88377.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reagents.  We cannot identify that multiplex reactivity</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88404.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as either HIV or HCV.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:88431.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And lastly, we have a donation that was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88459.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive in a pool, reactive as a single specimen and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88486.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">did discriminate by the discriminatory Gen-Probe</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88514.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reagents.  However, we cannot -- we do not have any</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88541.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">corroborating positivity that is by the alternate NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88568.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assay, an alternate sample or follow-up.  Now you will</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88596.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">see how all of these fit into a presentation of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:89440.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89455.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:89455.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:89455.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88758.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">specificity where specificity for a pool is defined as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88786.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a negative pool result or all the negative pool tests</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88813.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">divided by the negative pools tests plus the false</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88840.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positives.  You can apply the same principle to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88868.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individual donation specificity.  And I will show you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88895.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">results for both.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:88922.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We also will report on test failures.  A</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88950.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test failure as Christina Giachetti described for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:88977.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Gen-Probe assay can be an internal control failure.  It</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89005.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">can be assay calibrator failures or it can be failure of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89032.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the user to follow the manufacturer's product insert.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:89059.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We also run external run controls so we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89087.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">also can have an external run control failure; that is,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89114.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">where the external run control does not meet expected</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89141.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">specifications.  However, the results from the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89169.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">calibrator standpoint or the assay itself are valid.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:89196.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now to run through this with the Red Cross</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89223.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT program, we are using the Gen-Probe Multiplex assay</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89251.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plus discriminatory reagents.  We implemented on March</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89278.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">3rd of 1999 in phases which I will go through.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89306.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">entire Red Cross system began testing then by June 7th.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:89333.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Each of our assays, assay batches, contains the kit</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89360.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">calibrators as defined and four external controls: an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89388.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV, HCV negative and one used to demonstrate that p24</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:90232.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90247.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:90247.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:90247.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89550.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antigen testing may not be necessary.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:89578.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Phase 1 program and Phase 2 programs for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89605.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this presentation, what's important is pool size and the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89632.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">difference in seroreactive testing.  For our Phase 1</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89660.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">program, we tested pool sizes of 128.  For our pre-Phase</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89687.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">2 program, let me call it that to avoid confusion, pre-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89714.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Phase 2, we test pools of 16.  The other difference</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89742.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that's important for this talk is seroreactives were not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89769.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">included in the 128 program, but seroreactives are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89797.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">included for the pools of 16.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:89824.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  Okay, the pooling algorithm for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89851.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Phase 1 stretched to a pool size of 128.  Resolution,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89879.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">again, following the definitions, we repeat.  Instead of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89906.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">retesting pool, we test the component primary pools.  If</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89933.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a pool is reactive, we test the individual donations.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:89961.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The results of our Phase 1 program included</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:89988.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about 2.4 million donations tested.  We identified by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90015.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">definition ten confirmed positive donations.  However,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90043.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">three of these must be excluded for our yield definition</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90070.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because when we went back and tested the alternate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90098.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sample, we found them antibody positive.  What does this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90125.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mean?  This means that we detected a test error in our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90152.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">primary antibody screening as Dr. Busch referred to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:91039.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:91039.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:90342.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So our adjusted yield for our Phase 1</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90370.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">program of 2.4 million donations was 1 in 334,043 for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90397.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HCV and we detected zero for HIV.  Our internal control</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90424.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">failures were actually a log lower than Christina</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90452.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Giachetti reported.  We had 3.4 percent invalid runs.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:90479.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">An initial reactive rate of .14 percent.  That is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90506.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive pools that did not resolve.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:90534.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  Going to our pre-Phase 2 program,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90561.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we're creating pools of 16 resolution.  You take the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90589.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive pool and just dissect out the donations.  To go</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90616.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">through the data, we've tested 1.6 million plus</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90643.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations in over 100,000 pools.  We've had 231 reactive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90671.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools that divide into 172 results that were not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90698.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reproducible, that is, did not resolve to single</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90725.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation and were termed initially reactive.  That's a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90753.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">rate of .17 percent.  The product resulting from an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90780.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">initial reactive pool is released.  We had 59 repeat</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90807.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive individual donation samples, those that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90835.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resolved from reactive pools.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:90862.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next please.  Of those 59 repeat reactive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90890.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seronegative donations and it's important to say in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90917.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these algorithms I've excluded the seropositives.  Those</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90944.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I will include in another summary slide.  This is only</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:90972.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">dealing with yield samples.  So of the 59 repeat</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91831.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:91831.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:91831.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91134.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive single donations -- seronegative donations,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91162.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">they divided into 30 that were HCV discriminated using</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91189.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discriminatory reagent, 2 HIVs based on discriminatory</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91216.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing, six in which discriminatory testing could not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91244.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be completed because the sample volume was depleted and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91271.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">21 results that were -- even though we had a single</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91298.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation identified by the Multiplex test, both</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91326.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discriminatory tests were nonreactive.  Of these two</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91353.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">categories here, what's important is these 30 resolved</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91381.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">into five HCV yield samples and these two resolved into</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91408.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">1 HCV yield sample.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:91435.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  The 59 on the HCV arm, just to look</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91463.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">at these specifically, of the 30 that discriminated by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91490.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the discriminatory reagents, 14 were confirmed by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91517.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">supplemental NAT.  But I just want to say supplemental</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91545.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT may not always be the gold standard because of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91572.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">potential source two contamination.  For example, in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91599.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">nine of these they actually had to be reinterpreted as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91627.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">negative because plasma was negative by NAT and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91654.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">alternate NAT and follow up could not corroborate the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91682.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">results.  But in five cases, we did have very high titer</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91709.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viremia by the supplemental NAT test.  Plasma was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91736.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive and we had follow up.  So this translates into</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91764.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our yield of 1 in 321,912 which is very comparable to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92623.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:92623.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:92623.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91926.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the Phase 1 study.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:91954.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  For HIV, we had two HIV reactive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:91981.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations, interestingly enough, both confirmed by our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92008.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">supplemental NAT test.  However, one was a source 2</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92036.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contamination, that is, the plasma was negative and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92063.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">follow up was negative at seven and 12 days.  However,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92090.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we did have one that was -- will be probably be a high</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92118.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">titer viremia sample although I don't have the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92145.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">quantitative PCR results back yet, but at follow-up Day</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92173.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">7, the NAT result reproduced.  So for our Phase 2 study,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92200.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we have a yield of 1 in 1.6 million donations.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:92227.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  Interestingly enough, discriminatory</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92255.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">QNS and nondiscriminated tests, all of the ones that we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92282.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have supplemental information for did not show any</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92309.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">evidence of being NAT positive, so the NAT result could</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92337.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">not be reproduced.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:92364.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  So to summarize all the data I've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92391.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">shown you for our two programs looking at seronegatives,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92419.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the first program, screened 2.4 million donations, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92446.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">second one, 1.6 million donations.  Numbers of pools,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92474.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you can see quite a few.  A higher number of pools than</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92501.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our pre-Phase 2 study since we're testing a smaller pool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92528.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">size.  Initial reactive rates were comparable, .14, .17.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:92556.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Our yield for HCV, 1 in 331,000 for Phase 1.  1 in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:92682pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:92682pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:92682pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:92681.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">118</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:93400.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93415.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:93415.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:93415.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92718.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">321,000 for Phase 2.  Our HIV yield, we only had one in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92746.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the Phase 2 for 1 in 1.6 million donations or if you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92773.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">look at the entire program, that's one in about four</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92800.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">million donations for HIV.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:92828.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  If you look at the sum of all the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92855.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">false positive categories that I went through, actually,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92882.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our Phase 1 study was perfect in terms of false</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92910.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positives.  We had zero that resolved to single</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92937.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations that weren't confirmed, but we had 53 in our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92965.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Phase 2 or a relatively low repeat reactive rate of 1 in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:92992.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">30,372.  That's lower than any serological test that we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93019.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">do actually.  However, going from Phase 1 to our pre-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93047.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Phase 2 study, our positive predictive value dropped</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93074.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from 100 percent to 8.5 percent.  Specificity has been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93101.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">good, but decreased a little for pre-Phase 2 and our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93129.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">single donation specificity actually for Phase 1 was 100</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93156.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent and just under 100 percent considering these 53</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93183.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that resolved to single donation.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:93211.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  Looking at test failures, number of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93238.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">invalid assay runs, 3.4 percent as I said for Phase 1;</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93266.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">six percent for pre-Phase 2.  This includes our external</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93293.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">run control failures which have been pretty consistent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93320.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">at about 1.3 percent.  Internal control failures, again,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93348.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for both phases of the study very low, although a little</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:94192.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94207.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:94207.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:94207.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93510.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">bit lower in our pre-Phase 2.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:93538.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  Looking at the ten positives that we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93565.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">got out of the Phase 1 study, including the three that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93592.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were antibody positive, just to show you the total data,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93620.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">all ten were confirmed by alternate NAT.  We have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93647.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">follow-up on 70 percent of the samples.  Consistency</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93674.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">among the way the TMA assay runs, whether it's in a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93702.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">different pool size or it's the individual donation,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93729.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">always runs about 9.  Discriminatory reagents run a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93757.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">little bit higher.  Our viral load range from 180,000 to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93784.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">59 million.  Actually now, I think we have one at 72</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93811.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">million copies per mL and an index donation and we've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93839.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seen all genotypes.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:93866.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  Just looking at the S to COs of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93893.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">false positive, they cover the entire gamut of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93921.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">dynamic range of the assay, but most of them do cluster</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:93948.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">at relatively low S to COs.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:93975.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next, please.  Now, if we look at all the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94003.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroreactive results we've had to date, excuse me, not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94030.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to date, in the first month of our phase, pre-Phase 2</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94058.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">study, we looked at about a thousand samples.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94085.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Interestingly enough, NAT really compares well with the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94112.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">supplemental tests that we do.  If we look at HIV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94140.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">against NAT positivity, we see about six percent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:94266pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:94266pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:94266pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:94265.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">120</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:94984.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94999.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:94999.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:94999.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94302.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive.  That's about the same rate we see to confirm</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94330.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">by Western blot, so NAT and Western blot perform very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94357.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">comparably.  If we look at NAT relatively to HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94384.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antibody, we see really the same expectation.  If we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94412.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">look at RIBA positives for HCV, we see about 60 to 65</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94439.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent.  If you back out those, it should represent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94466.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resolved infection or be negative for RNA.  You would</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94494.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">expect about a 45 percent repeat reactives that would be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94521.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT positive.  And that's exactly what we see.  If you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94549.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">look at the unexpected findings, those I've put in gold.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:94576.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Here we've had some NAT negative repeat reactive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94603.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Western blot positive individuals for HIV, but both of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94631.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these fall into the traditional category of patterns</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94658.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that don't represent true infection, that is, a pattern</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94685.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of GP-41, GP-120/160 and both of those have that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94713.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pattern, so we believe that these are probably false</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94740.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive results.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:94767.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Conversely, we've had some NAT false</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94795.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive results in antibody repeat reactives and those</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94822.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are represented here.  Similarly, for HCV, we've had</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94850.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">some NAT false positives, but certainly, in this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94877.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">category, we've had both NAT -- excuse me, antibody</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94904.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">false positives and this category again represents</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:94932.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resolved infection.  Those are RIBA positives.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:95058pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:95058pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:95058pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:95057.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">121</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:95776.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95791.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:95791.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:95791.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:95094.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next, please.  And again, this just shows</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95122.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you the S to CO distributions of seroreactive, either on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95149.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT negatives which are obviously less than one on an S</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95176.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to CO with a NAT test.  These are the S to CO values</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95204.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">again clustered around nine for HCV and for HIV, we have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95231.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">some very high values.  These values down here represent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95258.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what we believe are false positives on the test.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:95286.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:95313.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:95341.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  Thank you very much, Susan.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95368.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next speaker is Susan Caglioti, speaking for -- I'm</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95395.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sorry, Sally Caglioti for America's Blood Centers from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95423.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">BSI, Scottsdale, Arizona.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:95450.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. CAGLIOTI:  Thank you.  I will be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95477.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reporting today on the experience that we've had using</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95505.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the higher arm Chiron Gen-Probe, a TMI assay that's been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95532.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">described in the America's Blood Center Study.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:95559.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">First slide, please.  There are three</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95587.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">investigators in our program:  our laboratory at Blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95614.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Systems, the Blood Center of Southeastern Wisconsin,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95642.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Florida Blood Services.  We have a total of 56</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95669.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sub-investigators that send samples to us for testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:95696.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Through the end of November, we've tested about 1.4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95724.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">million donations.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:96568.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96583.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:96583.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:96583.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:95886.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  This is just a summary of our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95914.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test algorithm which shows -- most of the samples that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95941.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'll be discussing have been tested in parallel with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95968.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">serology, i.e., serologic results are not known at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:95996.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">time of the sample testing.  Test in 24 member pools.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:96023.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Any reactives are resolved to individual samples with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96050.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a repeat of the pool times two.  Any individual</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96078.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactives are tested by both the discriminatory assays</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96105.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">described by Dr. Giachetti and then any discriminatory</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96133.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positives are tested with the original in it and an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96160.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">alternate sample, if available, by supplemental NAT and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96187.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">by follow up.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:96215.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  This just shows our yield for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96242.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the first several, first nine months of the study.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96269.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We've tested, as I said, about 1.4 donations.  We've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96297.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seen four confirmed HCV positives for a rate of about 1</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96324.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in 340,000 and two cases of HIV for a rate of about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96351.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">101,000 and 678,000.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:96379.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This is a summary of the HCV positive cases</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96406.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which we've had four.  They're all young Caucasian</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96434.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">females.  Three of the four have been repeat donors.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96461.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Risk factors, you can see here are one had recently had</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96488.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a body piercing, as well as a dialysis tech.  This one</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97375.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:97375.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:97375.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96678.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">risk factor at all and this person has a seropositive.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.10pt;top:96706.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">You can see the viral modes are pretty consistent with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96733.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the exception of this one.  And time to seroconversion</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96760.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">has been in the range of 32 to 48 days.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:96788.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">These two cases are HIV NAT confirmed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96815.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive, seronegative cases.  Both are 22 year old</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96842.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">black males.  One was a repeat donor and previous</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96870.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation was in 1993, a directed donor only.  All risk</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96897.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">factors denied here.  Lower viral load.  This person</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96925.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">claimed to have a homosexual experience two weeks prior</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96952.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to the donation.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:324.00pt;top:96952.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Time to follow up for p24 in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:96979.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this case was six days.  To antibody positivity was 16</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97007.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">days.  This donor would return for follow up in ten</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97034.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">days, had both p24 and antibody reactivity.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:97061.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  The next couple of slides show</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97089.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">comparison of serology with NAT data.  This one is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97116.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Western blot.  As you can see, we had in this time frame</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97143.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">303 HIV EIA repeat reactive donations.  The data in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97171.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">next several slides are just from our organization and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97198.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood systems donations and all of the centers for whom</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97226.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we test.  We had 16 positive Western blots, 15 of which</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97253.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were NAT positive.  I'll mention that this one donor</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97280.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that was negative in the pool was positive in a single</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97308.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donor setting.  The indeterminants here, much like Sue's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:98152.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98167.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:98167.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:98167.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97470.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were all cases where they were not normal patterns, all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97498.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">nonviral bands only on the Western blot.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:97525.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide will show the RIBA results that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97552.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you can see.  We had 463 samples from a little over a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97580.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">1,000 HCV repeat reactive donors in this time frame.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97607.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Eighty-two percent of the total positive RIBAs were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97634.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive by NAT.  One hundred five negative by NAT.  Of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97662.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these 105, we looked at 60 and tested them by -- in a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97689.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">single donation setting.  These were all pools.  And</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97717.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about 25 percent of those were positive by single</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97744.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation testing.  These indeterminants of which there</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97771.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were eight RIBA positive, we have indeterminant NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97799.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive.  Two of them, the only reason that they were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97826.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">considered indeterminant is because they had very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97853.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">strongly positive SOD bands which by package insert,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97881.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">even though the four HCV bands were there, would be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97908.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">considered indeterminant.  Three of them were four plus</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97935.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">C22; two were C33, and one was an NS5.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:97963.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  Now I'll go through the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:97990.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">algorithms that Sue went through or similar algorithms</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98018.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and show you what our specificity looks like.  We've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98045.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tested about 30,000 pools of which 607 were reactive for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98072.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a reactive rate of about two percent.  Repeat reactive,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98100.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">remember that we do repeat test our pools,  we have 594.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:98944.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98959.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:98959.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:98959.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.85pt;top:98262.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">If you take these pools and break them down into the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98290.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individual donations, of these 594, 531 of these pools</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98317.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">had an individual that was positive by both multiplex</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98344.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and discriminatory or 89 percent.  Four had no single</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98372.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive donors and 59 had donors who were reactive by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98399.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the multiplex assay, but not by the discriminatory</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98426.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assay.  So as far as looking at false positives, this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98454.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">group, this group and this group would all be considered</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98481.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">false positives.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:98509.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  Looking at those tested as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98536.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">single donations because in our setting if we don't have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98563.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">enough samples to test a 24 member pool at the end of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98591.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the day, we test individuals samples.  We tested about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98618.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a little over 7500 donations.  We found 114 positive,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98645.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about 1.5 percent.  Of these, 92 or 80 percent were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98673.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive by the discriminatory assay, here representing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98700.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the false positive group would be these 22 which did not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98727.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discriminate to a positive.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:98755.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  Of the 594 reactive pools, we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98782.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">broke those down into the individual samples, a little</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98810.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">over 14,000 samples, 828 of which were multiplex</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98837.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive.  Of those 635 discriminated by either HCV or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:98864.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV.  One hundred fifty-nine were nonreactive, 34 QNS.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:98892.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Again, these 159 would be considered false positives.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:99736.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99751.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:99751.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:99751.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:99054.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  Looking at those</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99082.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">samples that were discriminatory nonreactive but</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99109.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">multiplex reactive, 22 came from those tested as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99136.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">singles.  One hundred fifty-nine came from those tested</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99164.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as pools.  So there were a total of 181 that were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99191.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discriminatory nonreactive, but multiplex reactive.  Of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99218.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these, none were seroreactive and of these -- now this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99246.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">number should be changed.  We have, of the 181, we have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99273.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">follow up samples on 95 of these individuals, and all of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99301.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">them are negative.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:99328.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  Looking at those that are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99355.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discriminatory reactive, both multiplex and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99383.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discriminatory reactive, 92 came from those tested as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99410.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">singles.  Six hundred thirty-five came from those tested</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99437.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as pools, a total of 727 discriminatory reactives.  Of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99465.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these, obviously serology positives, most of which are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99492.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HCV, 15 of which are HIV.  This is the group that we're</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99519.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">most interested in.  These are the 44 serology</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99547.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">nonreactive, 44 of which were HCV.  This data comes</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99574.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">before the HIV case that we talked about earlier.  So</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99602.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this is the group that obviously could be considered</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99629.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">yield samples.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:99656.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  In looking at these, we were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99684.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">unfortunately not able to do both follow up and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:99810pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:99810pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:99810pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:99809.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">127</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:100528.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100543.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:100543.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:100543.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99846.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">supplemental testing on all of them, but of the 44,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99874.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">three of them confirmed positive for HCV.  The rest of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99901.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">them, I think we can consider as false positives or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99928.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">those for which we have no corroborating evidence.  We</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99956.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">do have two samples that were positive on a supplemental</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:99983.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assay which is the Roche Ampliscreen and the Roche</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100010.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Monitor assays.  Both of these samples that you see</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100038.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">here, one was negative by follow up, one was not tested</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100065.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">by follow up, were positive on the Ampliscreen test, but</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100093.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">negative on the Monitor.  We think these are sample</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100120.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contaminations.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:100147.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This column shows seven samples on which we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100175.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">had an alternate sample.  So we think again, these are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100202.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">-- these false positives are really derived from sample</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100229.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contaminations because an alternate tube from the same</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100257.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in-depth sample was negative.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:100284.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And then we have a number of them that were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100311.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">negative by either supplemental or follow up and six</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100339.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">here that you see that were either not tested by either</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100366.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">follow up supplemental.  These we had some that were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100394.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">invalid runs, repeated as nonreactive; two that were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100421.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive on an invalid run, Q&S for repeat and one donor</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100448.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">who did not come back for follow up.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:100476.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  Looking at invalid runs and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101335.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:101335.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:101335.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100638.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for a total of a little over 1100 runs, we're seeing a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100666.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">total invalid run rate or failed run rate of over 14</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100693.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent.  Now I will tell you that if you look at this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100720.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">by month you will see a marked decrease and our data for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100748.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the last couple of months looks very much like what Sue</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100775.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reported in our total invalid or failed run rate is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100802.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about six percent.  You can see the reasons here for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100830.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">failures.  Kit calibrators, kit controls, instrument</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100857.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">failures, about 30 percent due to technician error,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100885.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">external control failures and this is the five percent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100912.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">rule which has now become the ten percent rule of those</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100939.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">internal control failures within one run.  So this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:100967.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">number really has come down to about six percent.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:100994.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  In looking at and in keeping</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101021.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in tune with Sue's definitions, this is just our data in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101049.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">terms of the definitions that we're trying to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101076.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standardize.  So we're looking at an initial reactive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101103.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">rate of 1.9 percent, generated from both pools, those</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101131.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">samples tested as pools and singles.  So this is numbers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101158.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of tests with 1.9 percent.  Repeatedly reactive pools,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101186.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">since we don't repeat the single test is about 1.9</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101213.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:302.15pt;top:101213.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The repeat reactive unresult pools</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101240.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which Sue described the definition for, those are pools</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101268.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which have no individuals that are confirmed.  1.01</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:102112.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102127.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:102127.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:102127.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101430.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent.  Repeat reactive nondiscriminated donations.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:101458.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We have some from each one of these two types of sample</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101485.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tests.  We had a total of 181 for .02 percent.  And then</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101512.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the false positive, this really should be repeatedly</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101540.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive, or those that we consider false positives.  We</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101567.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">had 41 total or .005 percent.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:101594.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  In summary then, our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101622.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">specificity, we're looking at both pool specificity and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101649.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I think Sue showed the formula for this.  We're looking</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101677.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">at a pool specificity of 99.94 percent and then of an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101704.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individual specificity of 98.93 percent.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:101731.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:101759.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:101786.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  Thank you very much.  We're</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101813.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">going to switch speakers.  Michael Strong will speak</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101841.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">first and then Richard Gammon.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:101868.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Dr. Strong comes from -- will be speaking</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101895.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for Roche American Blood Centers Group.  He's from the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101923.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Puget Sound Blood Center in Seattle, Washington.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:101950.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRONG:  Being from the older</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:101978.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">generation, I won't have nearly as much data to present</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102005.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as the previous two speakers.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:102032.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Slide.  The Roche Group is comprised of 13</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102060.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test centers throughout the U.S. with an annual</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:102186pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:102186pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:102186pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:102185.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">130</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:102904.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102919.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:102919.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:102919.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102222.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">collection volume of 4.5 million from 150 test sites and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102250.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you can see the distribution here across the country.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:102277.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  This is our total yield at this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102304.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">state.  We're in the process of breaking out the data to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102332.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">conform to the new definitions.  We have 2.1 million</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102359.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">units that have been tested with a yield now of ten HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102386.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positives, four of which are confirmed by the previous</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102414.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion definition and an additional six that are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102441.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in the category of positive on the basis of a separate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102469.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sample, for example, the plasma unit being positive.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102496.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Not all of our donors will have follow up donations to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102523.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">allow us to put them into the seroconversion positive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102551.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">category.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:102578.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  Here's a breakout of the donors that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102605.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have been picked up through HCV screening.  First donor</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102633.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">back in June, we have started the testing as of April,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102660.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">so we're still only a little more than six months into</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102687.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the testing scheme.  These initial donors have all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102715.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconverted.  We don't have RIBA data on every one,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102742.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">but you can see here on a couple of these they are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102770.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">indeterminant reaction rates for RIBA with C33</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102797.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positivity.  And here a donor that has elected not to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102824.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">participate in the follow up and of course, like the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:102852.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">other tests that we perform, we do run into donors who</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103711.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:103711.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:103711.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103014.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">not only don't want to participate in the study, but</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103042.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">also get quite angry when you call them and tell them</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103069.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about their test result.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:103096.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  Here's the last five donors that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103124.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have been picked up, a couple again, who have yet to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103151.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have a second sample drawn, but were positive on the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103178.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma unit and again another donor that has elected not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103206.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to participate in the study.  This yield basically fits</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103233.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the new definition.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:103261.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  In terms of test performance, again,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103288.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we haven't broken out according to the new definitions</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103315.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">into the different categories.  Our turnaround times are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103343.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about the same as they've been in the last few months</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103370.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with the test turnaround time ranging from 10 to 14</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103397.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hours, a turnaround time for final resolution because we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103425.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">go through a separate set of tests to get to resolution</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103452.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of up to 72 hours.  Again, this pretty much depends on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103479.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the distance that these samples have to travel to the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103507.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test laboratories.  And then finally, our estimated</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103534.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">false positive rate, based on total donations, again,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103562.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and not yet complying with our new breakout of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103589.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">definitions is less than .01 percent and our run failure</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103616.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">rates range between less than one percent up to about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103644.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">five percent and as previous speakers mentioned, that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104503.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:104503.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:104503.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103806.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">part of it is due to learning curve.  We certainly see</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103834.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a decrease in run failures as the laboratories get up</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103861.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and running and get more accustomed to the test</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103888.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">themselves.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:103916.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  So that's a very quick update of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103943.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Roche data and the next time we get a chance to meet,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103970.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which seems to be quite frequently these days, we'll</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:103998.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hopefully have a breakout with the new definitions.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:104025.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thanks.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:104053.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:104080.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  Our next speaker is Richard</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104107.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Gammon for the Association of Independent Blood Centers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104135.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from West Palm Beach, Florida.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:104162.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. GAMMON:  He's getting the laptop set up</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104189.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">right now.  While we're waiting, I just want to take the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104217.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">chance to invite anyone to come down and visit.  I grew</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104244.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">up in the Northeast part of the country and when I left</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104271.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the airport yesterday from Florida it was 80 degrees and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104299.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sunny.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:104326.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Laughter.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:104354.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  While we're waiting I want to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104381.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">congratulate all the speakers on the sort of catching up</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104408.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a bit on time.  But sometimes advance of technology does</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104436.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hold one up.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:104562pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:104562pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:104562pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:104561.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">133</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:105280.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105295.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:105295.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:105295.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:104598.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  This is the modern equivalent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104626.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of when someone turns the slide carousel upside down and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104653.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the cap isn't on it.  I've seen that happen and someone</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104680.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">suggested that people get up and tell jokes until the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104708.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">slides are put back in order, but I think in this case,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104735.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Dr. Biswas and Dr. Dayton, perhaps you could entertain</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104762.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">some discussion while we're waiting.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:104790.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  Yes, actually, I do have a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104817.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">question that I'd like to address to Dr. Heldebrant.  In</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104845.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fact, you may even want to come to a microphone.  Where</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104872.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are you?  Why don't you come up to a microphone.  I was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104899.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very interested in the data that you provided on the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104927.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">eclipse periods where in HIV, where you had an initial</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104954.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">weak PCR reactive.  I think you had four of them and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:104981.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">then you had it disappear for several donations and then</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105009.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reappear?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:105036.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. HELDEBRANT:  Yes.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:105063.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  And that has tremendous</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105091.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implications for mechanisms of infection depending upon</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105118.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">how the people were infected.  So how were those</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105146.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individuals infected?  Were they transfusions or IVDUs</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105173.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">or sexual activity?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:105200.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. HELDEBRANT:  As far as we know, they</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105228.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">denied transfusion.  They denied IDU.  We would assume</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:106072.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:106087.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:106087.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:106087.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105390.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that they're environmentally or behaviorally acquired,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105418.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">but beyond that we don't have any specific data on any</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105445.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of the four to determine what their --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:105472.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  If it's some kind of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105500.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">parenteral introduction, it's not terribly surprising to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105527.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">see a little peak and then a clearance, so that's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105554.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">interesting.  For sexual transmission, that's very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105582.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">interesting, if it's sexually transmitted because we all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105609.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">think of sexual transmission as involving the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105637.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">transmission of a very small number of viruses.  So the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105664.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implications are if it's sexual transmission, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105691.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implications are either they had an open wound and there</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105719.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was a large amount of the initial inoculum which seems</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105746.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hard to believe, or that there's an initial burst and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105773.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">then a nonspecific clearance, possibly, then the eclipse</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105801.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">period and then the acute phase, even before you get</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105828.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antibody.  Maybe we can talk in private about that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105855.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">afterwards.  I'd certainly be interested in pursuing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105883.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:105910.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. HELDEBRANT:  Yes, those are remarkably</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105938.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">interesting samples.  In a way, we kind of wish we had</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105965.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a lot more data on the individuals who donated them, but</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:105992.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we have what we have.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:106020.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  So are they now lost to follow</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:106864.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:106879.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:106879.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:106879.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:106182.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">up or --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:106210.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. HELDEBRANT:  I have a feeling we could</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:106237.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">identify them if we had to.  Currently, they're lost to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:106264.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">follow up since they have seroconverted to antibody.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:106292.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  Uh-huh, but they are --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:106319.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. HELDEBRANT:  But they're permanently</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:106346.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">deferred as donors so they're lost to our system.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:106374.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  But they are contactable?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:106401.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. HELDEBRANT:  I would assume so, yes.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:106429.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  Okay, the carousel is still</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:106456.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">upside down, apparently.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:106483.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  Is Alan Liss, could Alan Liss,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:106511.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I have a question for Alan.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:106538.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Come up to a microphone.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:106565.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  It's a bit unfair, we're</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:106593.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hogging the questions.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:106620.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Chairman's prerogative.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:106647.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  The question I have is of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:106675.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HBV DNA positives that you have, have you done any</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:106702.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antibody testing like anticor or anti-HBS and will you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:106730.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be doing it?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:106757.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. LISS:  We are doing anti-HBS Ag</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:106784.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antigen.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:106812.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  Anti-HBS Ag.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107671.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:107671.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:107671.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:106974.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. LISS:  SAG antigen, but no antibody</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107002.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:107029.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  No antibody tests?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:107056.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. LISS:  Right.  We were compensating the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107084.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">core and so forth.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:107111.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  Okay.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:107138.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. LISS:  Nice suggestion.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:107166.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  Yes, I think so.  I think it</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107193.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">would be --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:107221.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. LISS:  It's been suggested before.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107248.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">It's a matter of putting it into the scheme.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:107275.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  Okay.  Dr. Gammon?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:107303.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. GAMMON:  We're all set to go here.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107330.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Could I have the next slide, please?  The Association of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107357.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Independent Blood Centers or AIBC, testing began on all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107385.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations collected on April 1, 1999.  As of November</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107412.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">30th, we have tested about 235,849 donations from 23</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107439.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">collection sites.  We have tested about 9800 master</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107467.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools for a 3.30 percent reactivity rate in those pools.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:107494.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now out of the 324 pools that were positive, 13 of them</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107522.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">or approximately four percent of the reactive pools were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107549.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">nonreactive upon individual multiplex testing, giving</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107576.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the specificity of the assay at our center of 99.9</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107604.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:108448.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108463.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:108463.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:108463.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:107766.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  Average turnaround</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107794.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">time for specimen receiving to result reporting is about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107821.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">nine hours, with a range of 6 to 12.  Again we tested</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107848.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">324 pools.  The number of reactions of units tested by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107876.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discriminatory assays was 332.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:107903.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  Now for the data</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107930.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">presentation.  Okay, in our experience, all 20 donors</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107958.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">who were EIA positive for HIV as well as NAT positive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:107985.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for HIV were also Western blot positive.  All 118 donors</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108013.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">here were EIA positive for HCV and NAT positive for HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108040.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were also RIBA positive.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:108067.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  This slide just shows</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108095.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these were donors in which the quantity we tested was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108122.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">insufficient.  It speaks to the limitation of specimen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108149.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">when drawing one PPT tube and the difficulty of having</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108177.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donors return for collection of additional specimen on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108204.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a voluntary basis.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:108231.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  This slide shows</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108259.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donors who were EIA serology positive, but NAT negative.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.75pt;top:108286.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I just want to make a couple of comments.  We had 97</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108314.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donors, 97 donors who were EIA positive for HIV, but not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108341.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">confirmed by Western blot.  We had seven donors who were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108368.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">p24 positive for HIV, but not confirmed by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108396.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">neutralization.  We have one donor who was EIA positive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:109240.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109255.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:109255.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:109255.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108558.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for HIV and p24 positive, however, neither of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108586.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">confirmatory tests panned out.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:108613.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We also had 17 donors who were Western blot</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108640.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">indeterminant and we had 118 donors who were EIA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108668.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive for HCV, however, they were RIBA negative.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108695.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">above cases may speak to the problem of serological</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108722.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">false positives which defer donors at blood centers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108750.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">every day.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:108777.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">There's also 31 donors here who are EIA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108805.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive for HCV and RIBA positive and this may</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108832.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">potentially speak to situations seen with a donor who</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108859.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">has cleared the virus so it's not detected by NAT or a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108887.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donor who has a low level viremia below the level of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108914.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detection or problems inherent with pool testing such as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108941.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">an inhibitor versus dilutional effect.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:108969.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  These are our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:108996.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sub-study donors.  We've had nine of the 19 donors in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109023.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the sub-study return.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:109051.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  A little bit about the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109078.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">specifics of our sub-study donors.  Twelve of the donors</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109106.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive for HCV by NAT; eight on follow-up were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109133.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">negative for HCV by NAT and EIA negative.  We do have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109160.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one donor that was just in October was positive for HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109188.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">by NAT and on follow-up bleed was also positive for HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:110032.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110047.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:110047.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:110047.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109350.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">by NAT.  I'm going to talk about that a little further.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:109378.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Three of the donors under this category did not return.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:109405.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">They're either first or second donors.  We have a donor</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109432.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">who is positive for HIV by NAT.  This was a first time</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109460.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donor that did not return.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:109487.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  We have six donors</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109514.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that were positive for both HIV and HCV in the study.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:109542.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Three were positive.  Three were EIA positive as well</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109569.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as Western blot positive for HIV.  Two were negative for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109597.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Western blot but positive for p24 neutride and one is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109624.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">EIA reactive/RIBA positive.  These donors have not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109651.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">returned either and were either first or second time</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109679.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donors.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:109706.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">All donors who do not return for additional</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109733.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing were either first or second donors in our study.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:109761.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Five bleeds after the initial donation is the maximum</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109788.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">number of returns that we have had so far.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:109815.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  This is a slide showing the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109843.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">signal to cutoff ratio of the individual Multiplex</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109870.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing of our sub-study donors on the initial donation.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:152.40pt;top:109898.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And I want to point out this is the last donor here</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109925.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that initial donation was in October that was NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109952.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive for HCV on the initial donation as well as the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:109980.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">follow-up bleed in November.  And you can clearly see</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:110106pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:110106pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:110106pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:110105.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">140</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:110824.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110839.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:110839.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:110839.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110142.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that the signal to cutoff ratio at 8.3 is higher than</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110170.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">any of the previous signal to cutoff ratios.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:110197.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  This is that same</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110224.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individual donor, again, a donor from Tennessee who the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110252.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">signal to cutoff ratio of HCV was 17.3 on the October</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110279.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">18th donation and on November 18th was even higher at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110306.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">19.08.  And we're working closely with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110334.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Gen-Probe and I'm working with the Medical Director at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110361.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the blood center from Tennessee to get this donor back</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110389.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in for additional testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:110416.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  This slide shows five</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110443.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cases out of the 236,000 donations so far in which the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110471.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pool, NAT pool was negative and the EIA result, initial</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110498.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">EIA test was positive and so the NAT laboratory did</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110525.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individual testing and the individual testing was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110553.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive by discriminatory testing.  And of particular</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110580.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">note are two, in this case here in which the RIBA was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110607.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive for HCV.  This case here in which, from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110635.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Florida, in which the Western blot was positive for HIV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110662.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and I just got a call this morning, actually during the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110690.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">conference that the Western blot here for this donor</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110717.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">here is positive now from this donor here also from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110744.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Florida.  Again, these are specimens in which the pool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110772.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was originally negative, but the individual was positive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:110898pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:110898pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:110898pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:110897.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">141</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:111616.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111631.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:111631.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:111631.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110934.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as well with discriminatory testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:110962.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  In summary, we've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:110989.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tested about 236,000 specimens and out of those we have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111016.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one donation so far that may have detected HCV and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111044.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">increased their conversion window period and follow up</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111071.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing is in progress.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:111098.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  Thank you.  I don't</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111126.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">know how well this turned out.  This is a gentleman</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111153.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">practicing the ancient art of uroscopy, the study of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111181.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">urine, and I hope we progressed a little further since</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111208.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">those days.  Thank you very much.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:111235.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:111263.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  Well, let's open up this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111290.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">entire session to questions.  I guess if you're going to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111317.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">field a question, please go to the nearest microphone</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111345.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because no one can hear you otherwise.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:111372.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We have a question back here.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:111399.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT:  Yes.  Focusing on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111427.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the how shall I say -- not to be anti-semantic about it,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111454.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">but there's a variety discussion about what is a true</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111482.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive, what is a true negative.  And one of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111509.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">questions I would have is given the phase one nature of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111536.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">much of the samples that were done, were any of these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111564.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">units transfused and what happened to the patients as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:112408.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112423.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:112423.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:112423.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111726.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">far as their seroreactivity NAT reactivity as far as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111754.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resolving some of these issues and what will be actually</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111781.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">defined as a truly infectious donor?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:111808.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  Do we have anyone who has data</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111836.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on that or would otherwise like to respond?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:111863.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Susan?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:111890.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  I walked all this way to say</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111918.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that I'm going to defer that until this afternoon.  So</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:111945.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Larry, you're going to have to eat lunch and come back.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:111973.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Laughter.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:112000.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  Okay, so that's to be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112027.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">continued.  Do we have any other questions?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:112055.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT:  I'd like to follow</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112082.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">up.  Dr. Biswas asked the question in terms of the HIV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112109.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test at that time you have initial positive and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112137.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">identical nucleic stage, don't see anything.  And then</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112164.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you see about four days ahead of the p24 assay.  I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112191.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">wonder if that could be the sensitivity and the virus</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112219.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">goes to the target cell, was maybe a test, like a PBMC</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112246.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">type of thing to indicate that you may be can detect</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112274.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:112301.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  I'm not sure I understood the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112328.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">question.  What exactly are you asking?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:112356.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT:  I was asking about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:113200.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113215.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:113215.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:113215.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112518.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">if you detect in the whole blood such as like PBMC maybe</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112546.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you can detect HIV RNA in the target cell.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:112573.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  You're asking in that eclipse</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112600.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">period, can you detect it in the target cell?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:112628.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT:  Right.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:112655.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  Well, Dr. Heldebrant?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:112682.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. HELDEBRANT:  We don't have any samples</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112710.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of the PBMCs or the whole blood from these individuals.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.10pt;top:112737.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">These are plasma pheresis donors, so all we can say is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112765.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that in the plasma that we would screen, we can't find</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112792.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">it and we've looked for it repeatedly with very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112819.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitive individual testing and haven't found it.  It</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112847.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">may be in the target cells.  I don't know.  We just</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112874.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">don't have any data on that.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:112901.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DAYTON:  Thank you.  Any other</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112929.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">questions or comments or -- well, I guess then that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112956.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">means we've answered all possible questions and we all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:112983.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">need to --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:113011.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  I've got one question.  Mike</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113038.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Busch, Mike, my question is I guess I should have been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113066.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">able to extrapolate it from your very, very excellent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113093.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">presentation, but what is the longest window period for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113120.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT testing for the three viruses?  Now, I understand</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113148.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for HCV there may be intermittent and there may be some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114007.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:114007.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:114007.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113310.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">people who never seroconvert, but what is the longest</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113338.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">period from exposure to NAT positivity that you have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113365.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seen for HCV, HIV, and HBV?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:113392.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BUSCH:  That's a tough question,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113420.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because there's not too many studies where you have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113447.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">serial samples from exposure through to NAT detection.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:113474.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Most of these studies have screened by NAT and are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113502.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">following people out and finding the duration of viremia</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113529.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">prior to antibody.  In terms of people who have a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113557.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discrete exposure and then how long does it take for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113584.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">them to become detectably viremic, there's not much</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113611.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">data.  In HIV, I would suspect that's no more than two</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113639.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">or three weeks.  With HCV from the transfusion cases it</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113666.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seems like it's consistently detected within, again,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113693.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about two weeks of exposure, you detect RNA.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:113721.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  I thought that from one of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113748.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">slides that if one sort of did a little arithmetic, that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113775.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the longest, zeroing in on the longest, window period</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113803.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">time to NAT positivity was about four weeks, 28 days or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:113830.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">something like that?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:113858.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BUSCH:  I don't recall that case.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:113885.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  Okay.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:113912.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BUSCH:  It's a tough question.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:113940.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BISWAS:  I have to go back and look at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114799.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:114799.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:114799.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114102.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that slide.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:114130.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  I'd like to underline Dr.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114157.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Biswas' question because I think we tend to talk, it's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114184.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">not just your data is fantastic and we're obviously all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114212.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">indebted to this kind of study, but we tend to talk in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114239.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">averages and means when we talk about window periods and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114266.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I think the actual extremes of the window period, both</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114294.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the beginning extreme as you were answering and the end</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114321.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">extreme that Dr. Biswas was asking are very much of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114349.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">interest to people trying to work out a regulatory</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114376.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">position.  So maybe in the future you could include that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114403.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in one of your talks.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:114431.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BUSCH:  Yes, I actually had some slides</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114458.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">at the end, it was giving an overview of a study that we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114485.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have developed and looks like it's going to fund and go</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114513.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">forward that's actually, involves a variety of elements,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114540.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">but probably the most relevant to your question is we've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114567.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">now with the help, particularly of alpha, compiled a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114595.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">much larger number of seroconversion panels that are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114622.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">just phenomenal, literally well over 100 HCV and about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114650.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">50 HIV new panels that are being extensively</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114677.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">characterized and then they will be studied both by the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114704.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">single donation and different minipool size NAT assays</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114732.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to understand how far back prior to antibody from a much</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115591.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:115591.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:115591.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114894.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">larger mix of panels can we detect any evidence of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114922.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viremia and then in collaboration with Harvey Alter</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114949.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we're going to be doing infectivity studies similar to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:114976.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the study that was done, but with again a larger number</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115004.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of closely spaced plasma samples to ask the question of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115031.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is there any infectivity prior to the ability to detect</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115058.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the virus by even single donation NAT.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:115086.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  The answer could be even</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115113.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">simpler, I mean even using the panels that we have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115141.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">available now, it will be interesting to know, get the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115168.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">answer to that question, I think it would be very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:115223.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">It's terrific that everybody has got us</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115277.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and it's time to break for lunch.  I need to tell you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115305.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that it has been said that the cafeteria -- I think it's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115332.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">correct -- the cafeteria downstairs is not serving</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115359.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">lunch, even though it's open for coffee, because of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115387.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">asbestos removal in the kitchen area.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:115414.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Laughter.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:115442.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So you'll have to find your way to second</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115469.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">floor cafeteria, and again, if you go straight back past</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115496.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the Starbucks stand until you can go no further and then</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115524.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">turn left, and go until you find some escalators to take</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:116368.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:116383.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:116383.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:116383.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115686.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you up one flight in the cafeteria right up those steps.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.10pt;top:115714.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We'll try to reconvene around one o'clock.  Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:115741.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Whereupon, at 11:58 a.m., the workshop was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115768.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recessed, to reconvene at 1:00 p.m., Tuesday, December</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:115796.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">14, 1999.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:117160.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117175.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:117175.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:117175.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:208.80pt;top:116478.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><u><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">A-F-T-E-R-N-O-O-N    S-E-S-S-I-O-N</FONT></FONT></u></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:439.20pt;top:116506.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(1:04 p.m.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:116533.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  This afternoon we'll begin with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:116560.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the session on implementation issues as seen by trade</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:116588.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">organizations.  The moderators for this session will be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:116615.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Dr. Mary Beth Jacobs who is the Acting Director of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:116642.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Division of Emerging Transfusion Transmitted Diseases</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:116670.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and Dr. Paul Mied who is the Deputy Director of the same</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:116697.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">division.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:116725.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We will have five or possibly six speakers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:116752.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in this session, followed by a panel discussion.  I'd</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:116779.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">like to ask the speakers to try to keep their remarks to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:116807.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">eight minutes or less so that we can keep it in the time</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:116834.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">frame.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:116861.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'll turn the microphone over to Dr. Jacobs</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:116889.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and Dr. Mied.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:116916.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. JACOBS:  Good afternoon.  We have two</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:116943.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">additional speakers, Dr. Celso Bianco, who is the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:116971.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">President of America's Blood Centers, and also a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:116998.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">representative of IPPIA.  We're changing the order a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117026.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">little bit.  We're hoping not to have to reboot.  So our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117053.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">first speaker will be Dr. Richard Gammon.  I'd like to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117080.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ask each of the speakers to join us at the table after</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117108.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">their remarks, and for the panel discussion, we're going</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:117952.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117967.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:117967.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:117967.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117270.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to be showing an overhead which everyone will see,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117298.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">giving some implementation questions which have come to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117325.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our attention and will ask the panel to discuss those if</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117352.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">they haven't come up in their individual remarks.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:117380.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So first of all, Dr. Gammon.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:117407.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. GAMMON:  Thank you.  I'm going to talk</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117434.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this afternoon about the industry perspective from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117462.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">AIBC's point of view.  Our NAT laboratory is located at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117489.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Citrus Regional Blood Center in Lakeland, Florida.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117517.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">location was chosen as one to be least likely affected</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117544.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">by inclement weather such as hurricanes or snowstorms</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117571.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and has access to multiple major airports including</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117599.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Orlando and Tampa.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:117626.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  Beginning on donations</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117653.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">collected on April 1, 1999, KEDTA plasma pools of 24</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:357.85pt;top:117659.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">2</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117681.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations were tested.  There was strict adherence to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117708.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the Gen-Probe's transcription mediated amplification</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117735.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assay procedure and everything has been tested for HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117763.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and HIV.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:117790.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  This slide just</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117818.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">emphasizes the uni-directional work flow in our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117845.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">laboratory from specimen accessioning to amplification</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117872.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to the chemiluminescence detection of a viral marker, if</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:117900.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">it's present.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:118744.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118759.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:118759.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:118759.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:118062.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  This is AIBC's pooling</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118090.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">algorithm.  The pooling TECAN first creates three in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118117.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">process pools of eight.  It then aspirates from each of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118144.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the three in process pools to create master pool of 24</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118172.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations.  Each pool master in- process is weighed and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118199.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the results are transferred directly into the NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118226.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">laboratory's information system.  If a pool falls</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118254.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">outside the weight range, the pool is voided.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:118281.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now I'm not going to go into detail about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118309.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the rest of the testing, the remainder of the procedure.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:152.60pt;top:118336.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">It was covered earlier today.  Just to mention that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118363.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">again amplification detection of the RNA and HIV and HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118391.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">occurs.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:118418.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  This is how specimens,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118445.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the flow of specimen testing occurs in our laboratory.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:118473.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Specimens come in between 3 and 5 a.m. from the blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118500.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">collection centers in our accession.  A pool is created</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118527.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and tested and serological testing occurs concurrently.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:118555.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT results are available between 12 and 1 p.m. on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118582.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">negative pools and results are faxed or e-mailed to the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118610.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">various blood collection centers.  The individual</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118637.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">breakout testing then occurs, results are available by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118664.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">5 to 7 p.m. that day and discriminatory testing occurs</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118692.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">once a week and these results are used for donor</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:119536.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119551.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:119551.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:119551.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118854.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">counseling purposes.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:118882.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  All units since</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118909.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">initiation of testing on April 1st have been released in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118936.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Phase II.  Phase II means that there is completed NAP</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118964.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and completed serological testing on all blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:118991.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">components including platelets upon release.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:119018.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  As far as what AIBC</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119046.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">does for look back.  The collection centers conform to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119073.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">current look back policies and placed for serological</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119101.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing of HIV and HCV for NAT reactive donors.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119128.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Specimens NAT reactive, regardless of the serostatus,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119155.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">look back must be initiated.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:119183.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  Consignees need to be notified</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119210.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of receipt of units from an NAT reactive donor and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119237.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">consignees are required to follow FDA guidelines and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119265.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">their standard operating procedures for notification of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119292.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recipients.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:119319.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  I was asked to talk</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119347.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">briefly about a few automation issues.  I just want to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119374.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mention three of them briefly that were brought up by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119402.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our laboratory.  Apparently, we have had some problems</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119429.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with bent TECAN pipette tips that have resulted in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119456.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pipetting errors.  Resolution was that the deck was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119484.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">realigned.  We've had some ilid block failures that have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:119610pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:119610pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:119610pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:119609.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">152</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:120328.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120343.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:120343.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:120343.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119646.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resulted in pipetting errors.  Apparently with the ilid</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119674.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">block failures the pipetter ejects its tips and thinks</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119701.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">it's picked up another tip when it has not.  You end up</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119728.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with a tip eject error.  What we've been doing is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119756.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cleaning, repairing and replacing the ilid block and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119783.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">apparently it becomes a point that you may need to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119810.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recreate the master and the in-process pools.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:119838.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  We also have a piece</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119865.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of plastic that's called a frog leg and these have not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119893.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">been working as expected either and so you basically</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119920.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have replaced these.  Apparently, in certain instances</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119947.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you can end up with a fatal error and then you need to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:119975.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recreate in-process in master pools and in all of these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120002.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">issues we've been working very closely with Gen-Probe on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120029.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to get resolved.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:120057.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  I want to talk briefly</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120084.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about software issues, especially those that are unique</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120111.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to AIBC.  With the advent of NAT, AIBC felt the need</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120139.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">exists for specialized computer programs to provide</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120166.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">process control.  We designed our own NAT computer</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120194.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">software package with specialized programs to number</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120221.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one, identify pool samples which have not been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120248.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individually accessioned; number two, validate the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120276.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reading of the sample numbers in each pool; and number</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:121120.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121135.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:121135.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:121135.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120438.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">three, to confirm the presence of 24 individuals samples</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120466.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in a positive pool for individual testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:120493.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now talking briefly about each of those</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120520.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">programs, the pooled not accessioned program, this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120548.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">identifies any NAT sample which has been involved in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120575.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pooling step which has inadvertently not been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120602.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">accessioned.  It's run after the pooling program and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120630.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">provides an opportunity to accession any sample missed.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:152.10pt;top:120657.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">It validates the sample number based upon collection</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120685.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">site, identifies date of receipt and allows for result</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120712.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reporting.  It also is important in billing since</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120739.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">billing is based upon the accessioning of samples.  If</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120767.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the sample is not accessioned, we can't bill for it.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:120794.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  Validate pool files.  This</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120821.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">evaluates the reading of the unique NAT identification</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120849.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">number which identifies both the collection site and the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120876.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individual donation on each sample.  This program flags</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120903.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">misreads allowing for the timely correction prior to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120931.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">updating the pooling files.  A misread includes if you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120958.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">did not have the two digit alpha site code, each of our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:120986.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">collection sites are assigned a two digit alpha code and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121013.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">if it does not have the seven digit donor number.  This</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121040.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was a bigger problem especially early on in testing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121068.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">before collection centers were familiar with where to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:121912.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121927.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:121927.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:121927.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121230.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">put the labels.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:121258.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  Master pool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121285.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">confirmation.  This provides a mechanism to confirm that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121312.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the correct individual samples have been selected when</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121340.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">preparing to test the 24 individual samples from a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121367.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive pool.  After entering the master pool number</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121394.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for the reactive pool, the operator bar code scans each</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121422.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individual sample number from the sample selected.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121449.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Should the sample be entered which is not a member of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121477.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the reactive pool, the program notifies the operator and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121504.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">allows the opportunity to take corrective action.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:121531.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  Results of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121559.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">software, the pool not accessioned program, less than</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121586.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one percent of the 236,000 samples processed in 9800</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121613.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools bypassed initial accessioning.  The validation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121641.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pool files was most beneficial in cases of misplacement</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121668.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of the bar coded collection site-specific unit number</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121695.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and this was a bigger problem earlier on in testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121723.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Less than one percent of the samples were flagged by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121750.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this program.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:121778.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  In the master pool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121805.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">confirmation, has insured correct placement for all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121832.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">members, 100 percent of the 324 positive master pools</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:121860.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detected as of November 30, 1999.  I refer you also to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:122719.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:122719.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122022.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these issues about the software, were presented at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122050.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ABB and are in the supplement for the meeting in an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122077.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">abstract form.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:122104.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  Access to NAT testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.10pt;top:122132.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">AIBC's IND allows for testing of approximately 500,000</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122159.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">units over a 12-month period.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:122186.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  Our participants</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122214.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">include AIBC members, non-AIBC members, free standing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122241.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood banks, and hospital-based blood banks.  To my</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122269.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">knowledge, most of the quals of blood collection centers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122296.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">looking for testing come to me.  AIBC has never turned</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122323.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">away anyone looking for NAT testing.  We have collection</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122351.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">centers going from 2,000 units up to 100,000 plus.  So</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122378.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">access is open to anyone that is interested in testing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122405.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with AIBC.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:122433.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  A little bit about the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122460.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">process of how access is gained toward testing through</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122487.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">AIBC.  Principal investigator, myself, was contacted.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.10pt;top:122515.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I sent out an investigator's handbook.  The individual</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122542.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">collection center needs to get IRB approval.  They can</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122570.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">usually use their own IRB if they have one or they can</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122597.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">use AIBC's if they do not have one.  Of course, there's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122624.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a period of questions.  They need to order supplies, get</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122652.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a donor number applicator, PPT tubes, develop their</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123511.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:123511.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:123511.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122814.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standard operating procedures and we provide a model for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122842.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that in the investigator's handbook.  The donor number</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122869.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">applicator needs to be validated and staff needs to be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122896.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">trained and documentation of that training needs to be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122924.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in place in the NAT laboratory.  And at that point in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122951.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">time they can go ahead and implement NAT testing on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:122978.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">their donations.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:123006.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  So how do we go about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123033.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">setting up an NAT laboratory?  Well, last fall we had to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123061.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">determine what method we wanted to use.  Did we want to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123088.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">use PCR?  Did we want to use TMA?  Those were the two</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123115.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">methods available and are still available at this time.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:123143.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We also had to decide, we had to choose a site, build</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123170.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">an NAT lab.  AIBC has about 30 members and we had to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123197.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pick where to put one.  We decided to use an existing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123225.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">facility that had -- was fairly new, had an extra</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123252.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">warehouse for storage space, so that helped cut down on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123279.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cost and that's how we decided where to put our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123307.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">laboratory at Citrus Regional Blood Center.  We had to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123362.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">also had to develop a client base.  I mean building an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123389.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT laboratory is expensive and the testing also</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124303.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:124303.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:124303.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123606.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">system to get the specimens down to the laboratory in a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123634.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">timely manner.  That's why the bulk of our specimens go</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123661.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">through Orlando just because of the large number of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123688.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">direct flights.  Once we got IND approval and IRB</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123716.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">approval, we could go ahead and initiate testing.  I put</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123743.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this little loop -- and that happened in April.  I put</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123770.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this little loop of continuous because every time a new</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123798.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">client wants to come on board, they need to get their</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123825.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">IRB approval, go through what we talked about in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123853.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">previous slide, then they can go ahead and initiate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123880.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:123907.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  In conclusion, our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123935.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">coordinator work flow has allowed rapid turnaround time</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123962.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and has allowed us to be maintained in Phase II since</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:123989.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">initiation of testing or units have been released in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124017.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Phase II with completed NAT and completed serological</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124044.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing.  The result is minimal impact on product</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124071.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">release.  All platelets have been able to be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124099.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">-- all cellular components, including platelets have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124126.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">been able to be released and fully tested and may</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124154.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">potentially improve patient transfusion safety.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:124181.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you very much.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:124208.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:124236.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. JACOBS:  Thank you, Dr. Gammon.  Our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:124362pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:124362pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:124362pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:124361.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">158</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:125080.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125095.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:125095.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:125095.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124398.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">next speaker is Kay Gregory who is Director of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124426.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Regulatory Affairs for AIBB.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:124453.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">MS. GREGORY:  Good afternoon.  My statement</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124480.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is going to be very brief.  We thought we'd like to hear</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124508.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">more from the people who actually hold INDs and have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124535.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">some things to tell us than what you'd like to hear from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124562.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">us.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:124590.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The AABB applauds the FDA's interest in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124617.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">maintaining the safety of the blood supply and its</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124645.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">willingness to be flexible with regulating NAT.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124672.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Historically as you've heard, FDA has required that it</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124699.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">has to be licensed before it will introduce for blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124727.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">bank screening on a nationwide scale.  This is the first</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124754.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">time FDA has permitted widespread use of a test under</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124781.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">IND.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:124809.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">It has been a real challenge for everyone</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124836.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">involved and FDA has been most supportive.  There is, at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124863.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">least one lesson that the AABB believes should be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124891.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">learned from this approach to NAT.  All of us, blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124918.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">banks and the FDA, need to be more attuned to the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124946.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">concerns of the hospital transfusion services.  Although</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:124973.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">there were attempts to keep the hospital transfusion</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125000.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">services informed, the information really wasn't clear</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125028.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to them.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:125154pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:125154pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:125154pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:125153.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">159</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:125872.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125887.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:125887.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:125887.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:125190.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">There was a great deal of concern about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125218.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">whether NAT testing of blood products constituted</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125245.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">investigational use for patients, whether IRB approval</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125272.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was required and whether informed consent must be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125300.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">obtained for patients.  While the FDA addressed these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125327.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">issues once they arose, it would have been preferable to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125354.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have considered such issues in advance.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:125382.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Finally, the issue of inventory control of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125409.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a mixed inventory and the need to identify which units</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125437.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have been NAT tested and which have not is of great</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125464.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">concern to transfusion services.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:125491.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We appreciate FDA's recognition of this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125519.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">concern and willingness to address it by permitting a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125546.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mechanism for determining which units have been tested</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125573.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and which units are still undergoing NAT testing for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125601.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HCV.  And we expect that the FDA will similarly address</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125628.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the issue of NAT testing for HIV as soon as that testing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125655.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is widespread.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:125683.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The use of nationwide INDs is another</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125710.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">aspect that deserves careful consideration by the FDA in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125738.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">making future decisions.  By definition an IND can be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125765.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">used during investigational research phases.  In</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125792.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">permitting testing, over 90 percent of the nation's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125820.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood supply is under IND, the outcome is perceived by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:125946pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:125946pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:125946pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:125945.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">160</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:126664.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126679.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:126679.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:126679.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:125982.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">many as being presupposed and rapidly became viewed not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126010.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as investigational, but as essential screening.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:126037.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The AABB appreciates the opportunity to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126064.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">speak today and commends the FDA for holding this public</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126092.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">workshop.  We encourage FDA to be mindful of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126119.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">potential impact on transfusion services to consider</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126146.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">their needs and to avoid the use of nationwide INDs in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126174.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">any future implementation of new technology on a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126201.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">nationwide scale.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:126229.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:126256.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:126283.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. JACOBS:  Thank you, Ms. Gregory.  Our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126311.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">next speaker is Dr. Susan Stramer, Director of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126338.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Laboratories for American Red Cross.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:126365.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  Thank you.  My presentation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126393.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this afternoon will be briefer than the one this morning</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126420.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and I will speak more slowly.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:126447.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Laughter.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:126475.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I've listed the issues that we were asked</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126502.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to comment about from Dr. Biswas, so I will go through</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126530.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">them and on many of them as asked by Dr. Sherman this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126557.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">morning will elaborate on more data than we have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126584.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">accumulated.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:126612.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">As we found through this morning, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:127456.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127471.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:127471.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:127471.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126774.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">American Red Cross is testing for HIV and HCV in a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126802.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">multiplex test.  Our product release criteria I will</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126829.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">describe in greater detail, keeping with the definitions</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126856.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that a Phase I program is release based on serology and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126884.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a Phase II program release of all components including</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126911.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cellular components based on nucleic acid testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:126938.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I will discuss the laboratory turnaround</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126966.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">time our product control and recipient follow-up for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:126993.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">index unit and let me just say I don't have a slide for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127021.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">look back or prior collections, but of the 12 index</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127048.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">units that I identified this morning, six were from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127075.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">repeat donors.  Of one of those repeat donors, we had a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127103.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">look back in which we were actually able to retrieve the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127130.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma from the hospital.  That plasma was tested by PCR</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127157.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">at NGI and by TMA and was found negative and that look</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127185.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">back occurred 60 days prior to the index donation.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:127212.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Automation was nicely covered by the AIBC</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127239.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">presentation and similarly at the Red Cross we have five</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127267.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">different software systems that allow rapid and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127294.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">efficient communication from the point of sample entry</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127322.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">into the laboratory through resolution of reactive pools</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127349.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and all five of those systems have been validated.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:127376.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">What is currently and desired for testing?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.05pt;top:127404.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Obviously, we encourage more automation because we are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:128248.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128263.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:128263.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:128263.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127566.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">currently doing a manual test and clearly the more</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127594.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">automated we are, the better off we are and then I will</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127621.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">end with the ease of requiring NAT testing as far as the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127648.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Red Cross.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:127676.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next, please.  I showed this slide earlier,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127703.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">but I'm going to show it again because it's relative now</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127730.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to how we define the phases of our program.  Frozen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127758.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">product control, through all phases of the Red Cross</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127785.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">program.  Our Phase I program which went from March and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127813.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ended in early September; our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127840.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pre-Phase II program which included the logistics of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127867.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">product control program, but not yet included cellular</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127895.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">product release, so that's where we are now and we will</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127922.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">move after the first of the year into what we call the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127949.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">true Phase II program where we will control cellular</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:127977.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">products.  But we are not there yet.  We are testing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128004.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools of 16 as if we were in this program, but currently</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128031.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we are releasing cellular components based on serology.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:152.60pt;top:128059.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And we do test in one laboratory which represents a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128086.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">formidable challenge.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:128114.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  This represents daily collections</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128141.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">over a period of two months, September and October,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128168.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">although that's irrelevant because the cycle that you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128196.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">see, according to day of the week, represents the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:129055.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:129055.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128358.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reality of samples coming into the laboratory.  And for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128386.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">those of you who can't see this, this line here is the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128413.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">20,000 units per day.  So the laboratory for each of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128440.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these bars, over 20,000, including this one that's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128468.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">almost 30,000, this one laboratory is to break down</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128495.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">boxes, releasing these 30,000 units at which they have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128522.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to be accessioned, pooled, tested, resolved and results</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128550.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">communicated back to the collection region.  So this is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128577.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">quite a challenge.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:128605.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  During our Phase I or pool size 128,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128632.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this represents over the same period of time which was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128659.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the end of our Phase I program, our median turnaround</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128687.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">time from the point of entry into the laboratory to the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128714.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">point of release of results.  So this is a 42-hour</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128741.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">turnaround time and you can see how the peaks correlates</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128769.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to those peaks of the highest collection dates that I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128796.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">showed on the previous slide.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:128823.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  When we went to pools of 16, it</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128851.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">doesn't take very complicated mathematics to see that in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128878.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this one laboratory our testing volume increased eight</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128906.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fold and it also included testing of seroreactives.  So</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128933.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we also had more pools to resolve and when we could,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128960.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">based on an initial reactive results fed into us from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:128988.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our national testing laboratories, we pulled initially</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129847.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:129847.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:129847.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129150.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive samples.  So not only did we have the eight</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129178.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fold increase just based on the arithmetic calculation,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129205.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">but we had to deal with all the seroreactives and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129232.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contaminants resulting therefrom.  So this yellow line</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129260.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">here represents the median turnaround time.  The dash</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129287.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">line here represents the median of Phase I at 42 hours.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:152.50pt;top:129314.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And in the beginning there needed to be a period of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129342.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">adjustment, but you can see now that we're trying to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129369.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">stay below the line and where this needs to be, maybe at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129397.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">20 hours or less for us to control all products, that's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129424.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what we need to determine and that's where we need to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129451.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">move.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:129479.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  Because we are releasing cellular</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129506.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">components based on serology, the point at which we get</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129533.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a NAT reactive pool at the 16 member stage is when we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129561.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">initiate product quarantine or we freeze products in-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129588.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">house or notify consignees that you may have a product</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129615.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that may test NAT reactive, but is pending further</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129643.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resolution.  So what this slide shows us is based on red</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129670.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cells, the two different phases, the number of products</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129698.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and the percent at different locations.  So you can see</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129725.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that greater than three quarters at high numbers now for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129752.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our pre-Phase II are in-house about a quarter at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129780.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">consignee for 99 percent of control of product.  One</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:130624.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130639.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:130639.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:130639.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129942.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent of red cells that were in NAT reactive pools</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129970.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were transfused, however, none of these confirms to a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:129997.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">single NAT reactive donation.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:130024.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  For platelets, giving you the same</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130052.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">type of information, because platelets have a shorter</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130079.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">shelf life and go out earlier.  You can see the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130106.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">distribution is a little bit different for the two</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130134.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">phases of study so that more products in NAT reactive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130161.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools were transfused.  However, in the Phase II</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130189.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">program, there were seven false, I should say, seven NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130216.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive units that did resolve again to the unit level</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130243.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that were transfused.  However, none of those were true</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130271.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positives.  They were all false positives, based on the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130298.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">definitions I discussed earlier.  There was one,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130325.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">however, in Phase I that was a true, confirmed yield HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130353.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sample that was transfused to a recipient.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:130380.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  If you look at the ten NAT reactives</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130407.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in our Phase I, just based on the products made,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130435.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">including this one that was transfused, and you total</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130462.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this all up, we did have product control based on single</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130490.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation of 95.5 percent.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:130517.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  In here I will show you the results</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130544.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of the recipient.  So here was the donor who was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130572.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">negative by serology, had greater than 10 genotype 2b</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:131416.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131431.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:131431.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:131431.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130734.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HCV RNA.  Pre-transfusion.  The recipient was negative.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:130762.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Shortly after several hours after transfusion there was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130789.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a two log reduction, but clearly you can see based on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130816.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">dilutional effects alone that this person received HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130844.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from going to negative to going to the two log reduction</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130871.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of the same genotype 2b.  Twenty two days later when the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130898.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recipient was resampled, the concentration was 1.2 times</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130926.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:158.15pt;top:130925.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">6</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:162.50pt;top:130926.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">, again genotype 2b.  So clearly, this individual was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130953.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">infected.  The donor who contributed this sample remains</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:130981.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seronegative but NAT reactive on days 9, 39 and 81 days</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131008.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of follow-up.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:131035.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  Lastly, just to show you how the Red</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131063.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Cross is structured, this is the lab that we run NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131090.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing.  It's in San Diego, the National Genome Testing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131117.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Laboratory.  It's not in Alaska.  It's actually in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131145.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">California, but all of these samples on a daily basis,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131172.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">24 hours a day, seven days a week are shipped to this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131199.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">lab, which runs 24 hours, seven days a week and we do</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131227.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">make NAT testing available to non-Red Cross facilities.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:131254.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:131282.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:131309.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. JACOBS:  Thanks, Dr. Stramer.  Our next</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131336.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">speaker is Dr. Celso Bianco.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:131364.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BIANCO:  We thank you very much for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:132208.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132223.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:132223.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:132223.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131526.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this last minute addition to the agenda.  I'm Celso</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131554.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Bianco and I'm the President of America's Blood Centers.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:131581.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We thank the Center for Biologics Evaluation and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131608.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Research for the opportunity to make these public</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131636.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">comments.  ABC is a consortium of 72 not for profit</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131663.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">community based blood centers that collect over half of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131690.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the U.S. volunteer blood supply.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:131718.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ABC members are very proud of their</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131745.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">participation in the largest research protocol ever in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131773.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the history of blood donor screening.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:131800.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">You can go to the next slide, Roger.  And</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131827.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the next one.  They are proud of their partners, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131855.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assay kit manufacturers, Chiron, Gen-Probe, and Roche</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131882.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and CBER.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:131909.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Implementation of NAT IND continues to take</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131937.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a tremendous amount of energy and resources on the part</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131964.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of all participants.  It could not have happened without</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:131991.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">an incredible commitment to common goals.  It happened</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132019.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with very special people in many organizations.  It</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132046.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">could not have happened without the explosion of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132074.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">communication and transportation systems that took place</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132101.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in the U.S. in the last couple of years.  And it could</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132128.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">not have happened without the Internet and e-mail.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:132156.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ABC members built 16 laboratories spread</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:133000.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133015.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:133015.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:133015.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132318.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">throughout the country and are testing 6,000,792 samples</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132346.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a year for members and for hospitals that collect blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132373.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in their communities.  According to a survey completed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132400.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on December 1st, 100 percent of the 72 members were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132428.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">performing NAT for HCV; 44 of them were in Phase II,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132455.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that is, all components were released on the basis of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132482.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">serology and NAT.  For members in transition to Phase</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132510.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">II, the vast majority of products other than platelets</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132537.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were released on the basis of NAT.  These centers plan</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132565.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to be in Phase II early next year.  Eighty percent of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132592.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the 30 members using the Gen-Probe assay for HIV are in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132619.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Phase II.  Members using the Roche system are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132647.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementing the HIV assay at this time.  And</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132674.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">interestingly, based on the same survey, only seven of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132701.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our members indicated in their packing slips that the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132729.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">units being shipped have been subjected to the research</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132756.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:132783.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We're excited about the preliminary results</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132811.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">presented today because they suggest that those efforts</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132838.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were not in vain.  NAT appears to detect infections that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132866.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are not detected by the currently licensed tests.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132893.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">preliminary results encourage us to continue to work</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132920.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">diligently towards the ultimate goal of the IND research</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:132948.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">protocols, licensing of these assay systems by the FDA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:133792.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133807.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:133807.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:133807.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133110.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and the application to the totality of the blood supply.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:133138.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Unfortunately -- next slide, please -- some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133165.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">issues keep threatening to derail us from the steady</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133192.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">path of licensure.  ABC members would like to comment on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133220.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these issues.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:133247.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  The first is single donor</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133274.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing.  We agree with CBER's statement that considers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133302.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT on the plasma pools as an interim step until</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133329.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individual tests are ready for licensure.  The issue of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133357.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">single donor testing is not if, it is when.  One</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133384.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturer has indicated to us that they will file a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133411.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">PLA for individual testing using the current manual</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133439.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">system, or as they call them, semi-automated system.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133466.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Manual testing at the level required to screen 13</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133493.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">million donations of whole blood and many millions of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133521.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations of source plasma would increase the workload</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133548.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">by 16 to 24 fold.  Compliance with cGMP would become</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133575.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">practically impossible.  This is unacceptable.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:133603.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">It should be noted that these proposals are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133630.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">being made as Congress expresses great concerns about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133658.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">errors in transfusion medicine and the Institute of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133685.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Medicine publishes its "to err is human" report on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133712.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">medical errors.  The National Heart and Lung and Blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133740.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Institute has funded a major contract for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:133866pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:133866pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:133866pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:133865.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">170</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:134584.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134599.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:134599.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:134599.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133902.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">development of automated instrumentation for individual</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133930.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood donors screening by NAT.  When these or any other</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133957.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">instrument in the corresponding tests are ready and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:133984.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">licensed and reimbursement covers the increased costs we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134012.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">will be ready.  Any attempt to skip the orderly</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134039.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">evolution of NAT screening that may place blood donors</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134066.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and recipients at increased risk because of potential</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134094.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">human errors will be vigorously opposed by ABC members.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:134121.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The next slide.  The second issue that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134149.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">concerns us is pool size.  One manufacturer has chosen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134176.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a pool size of 16 plasma specimens while the other has</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134203.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">chosen a pool size of 24.  Considering the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134231.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">characteristics of NAT, these differences are not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134258.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">statistically significantly.  However, there have been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134285.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">attempts to suggest that a slightly smaller pool size</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134313.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">would provide a higher sensitivity.  We believe that FDA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134340.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">has the authority to prevent such misleading claims from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134367.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">being propagated and respectfully request that it does</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134395.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">so.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:134422.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">CBER could contribute to the avoidance of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134450.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these type of issues by providing manufacturers with a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134477.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">specimen that constitutes the minimum sensitivity</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134504.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standards.  Manufacturers would be required to adapt</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134532.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">their systems to meet these standards regardless of pool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:135376.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135391.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:135391.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:135391.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134694.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">size.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:134722.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  The third issue, ABC members</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134749.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are extremely concerned about conflicts between</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134776.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">intellectual property and public health.  These</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134804.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">conflicts are illustrated by two recent events.  In one,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134831.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Chiron, the owner of the patent rights to the HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134858.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sequence chose Gen-Probe for the manufacturer of ACV NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134886.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and indicated that they will not license any other</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134913.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturer.  ABC members recognized that intellectual</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134941.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">property rights and royalty reimbursement are motors of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134968.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">progress in our society.  However, monopolistic control</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:134995.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of public health is not an acceptable practice.  We hope</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135023.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that Chiron and Roche will come to an agreement that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135050.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">serves other donors and patients.  And actually, there's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135077.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a beautiful statement that was made by Karen Shuse-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135105.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Lipton, the Executive Director of the ABB in the most</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135132.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recent ABB news publication that refers exactly to this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135159.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">same issue.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:135187.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In the other incident, the discoverers of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135214.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the so-called SEN-V virus published their findings in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135242.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the </FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="000000"><u><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">New York Times </FONT></u><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and in their Internet site.  They</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135269.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have not yet published a single paper in the scientific</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135296.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">literature or made a single presentation at a scientific</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135324.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">meeting.  They appear to care more about their stock</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:135450pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:135450pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:135450pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:135449.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">172</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:136168.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136183.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:136183.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:136183.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135486.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">value than about the public health value of their</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135514.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discovery.  I must emphasize that ABC members and I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135541.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">believe the entire blood banking community have as their</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135568.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">goal the best interests of blood donors and recipients</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135596.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and will do everything in their power to remain true to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135623.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this goal.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:135650.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Fourth, and the next slide, we urge FDA to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135678.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">consider withdrawing the recommendation for use of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135705.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV-1 p24 antigen assay when a facility performs NAT for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135733.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV-1 under an FDA-approved IND protocol and releases</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135760.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">products under Phase II.  The contribution of HIV-1 p24</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135787.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antigen and assay to the safety of the blood supply has</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135815.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">been minuscule and NAT is theoretically superior and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135842.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">actually, in practice as we saw the data today for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135869.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detection of HIV-1 even when tests are performed in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135897.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:135924.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Removing HIV-1 p24 antigen for the least of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135951.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">required tests will allow testing facilities to focus on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:135979.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">more important issues and will reduce some of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136006.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">financial burdens.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:136034.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Finally, we urge CBER to allow the use of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136061.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT tests currently under IND as an additional, more</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136088.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">specific test for confirmation of antibody screening for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136116.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HCV and HIV-1.  NAT results would not affect donor</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:136960.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136975.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:136975.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:136975.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136278.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">deferral status and would greatly facilitate donor</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136306.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">counseling.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:136333.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The last slide.  And finally, we want to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136360.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">congratulate everybody that contributed to the success</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136388.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of NAT implementation.  Thank you very much for your</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136415.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">attention.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:136442.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:136470.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. MIED:  Thank you, Celso.  Our next</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136497.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">speaker will be Sally Caglioti, also speaking on behalf</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136525.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of America's Blood Centers.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:136552.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. CAGLIOTI:  Thank you.  I'm going to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136579.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">address the same list of issues that Sue described that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136607.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we were asked to address today in the context of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136634.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">America's Blood Centers who were performing the Gen-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136661.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Probe Chiron and Gen-Probe TMA assay.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:136689.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">First slide, please.  This shows a map of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136716.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the centers that are involved and you can see here that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136743.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we have three laboratories, in Milwaukee, one in Florida</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136771.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and one in Arizona.  The blue dots represent all of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136798.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">collection sites for whom we perform testing.  As others</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:136853.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these three laboratory sites on a daily basis.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137767.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:137767.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:137767.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137070.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we're all using very common procedures.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:137098.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  Going through the list</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137125.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of questions as far as routine product release and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137152.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">surveying our sites, of the 56 sites for whom we do</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137180.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing, 55 claimed to routinely release products based</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137207.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on both serology and NAT results.  However, 11 of the 43</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137234.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sites that surveyed that responded to the question said</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137262.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">they did have a policy for exception release based on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137289.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">serology.  So I think the definition here is unclear as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137317.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to how many sites are really releasing all the time</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137344.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">based on NAT results and it occurs that it's less than</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137371.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the 55 of the 56.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:137399.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We did have sites that did -- that are in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137426.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Phase II that reported some significant product lost</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137453.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">during implementation.  Twelve of 43 sites that we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137481.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">surveyed reported some significant losses, primarily in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137508.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">platelet pheresis products during the first stages of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137535.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementation, when turnaround times were very long.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:137563.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  Turnaround times vary.  They</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137590.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">obviously differ from one lab to another.  We have a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137618.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">range of anywhere from 12 to 18 hours and these are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137645.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">means for test result.  In other words, time into the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137672.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">lab and time out and then turnaround time from the time</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138559.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:138559.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:138559.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137862.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is anywhere -- ranges from 20 to 36 hours.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:137890.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Recipient follow-up is in progress.  I told</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137917.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you earlier that we do have six cases, six field cases.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:150.95pt;top:137944.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Of those, we have two cases where we haven't formed the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137972.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recipients of the other donors.  It is not appropriate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:137999.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to do so, so this is in progress.  As far as donor</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138026.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">follow-up goes, of the NAT reactives that we have for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138054.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which we have not been able to confirm by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138081.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discriminatory, we have about a little over half of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138109.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donors who have returned for follow-up.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:138136.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  As far as just identifying</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138163.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">issues that our hospitals have made us aware of, during</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138191.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the implementation, although we do feel like the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138218.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementation went very smoothly.  The blood centers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138245.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and hospitals for whom we provide laboratory services</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138273.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were extremely concerned about the delay and product</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138300.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">release for a period of time.  Product loss, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138327.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">shortened expiration dates on platelets, as well as the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138355.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mixed inventory that Kay mentioned, donor deferral and,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138382.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">obviously, the increase in cost.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:138410.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  The laboratories as everyone</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:139351.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:139351.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138654.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">control with these manual systems.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:138682.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">It was also very difficult in the learning</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138709.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">curve for the new technology.  We're not familiar with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138736.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">molecular technology in blood centers and this was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138764.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">something that we had to overcome.  The logistics of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138791.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">centralized testing was something new.  Many of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138818.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">laboratories who are doing testing for others, this had</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138846.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">been their first experience with doing so.  And then the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138873.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">complexities of pool testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:138901.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The next couple of slides I just want to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138955.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about this morning which is the issue of false positives</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:138983.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which causes a concern for us because these now are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139010.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">people who are deferred, blood donors who are deferred</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139037.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and we have almost 300 of these in our system.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:139065.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">As you can see from this curve, this is a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139092.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">curve by month, the number of false positive incidents</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139119.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that we have had within our laboratory and you can see</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139147.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">there's a spike and obviously this represents a learning</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139174.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">curve of the test and we are coming down in the number</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139202.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of false positives that we're seeing.  But obviously, we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139229.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">need to resolve this issue.  It has donor impact.  It</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139256.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">has product impact.  It has cost impact.  And we are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139284.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">working very closely with Chiron and Gen-Probe and the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:140128.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140143.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:140143.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:140143.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139446.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">other laboratories to try to evaluate what's causing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139474.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:139501.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  We found in looking at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139528.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">relative position of these samples in the test system</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139556.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">itself that 99 percent of these are caused by some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139583.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positional effect within the test system, so in 47 of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139610.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the cases, there was a seropositive right next door to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139638.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that positive sample.  In 15 cases, there was a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139665.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seropositive sample either in front of or behind in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139693.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">actual test system.  Within the TTU, which is the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139720.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing unit, there were 33 and then there were 20 just</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139747.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">randomly within that run.  So I think that we know the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139775.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reason for the false positives and we are working very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139802.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">carefully to try to reduce this number.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:139802.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139829.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">then lastly, I'll address the issue of availability.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139857.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">All of the Chiron Gen-Probe centers are accepting</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139884.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing from both hospitals.  Of the 56 sites that we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139911.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test for, 12 of those sites are hospital transfusion</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:139939.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">services.  So I'll close with that.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:139966.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:139994.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:140021.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. MIED:  Thank you, Sally.  We also have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140048.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Michael Strong for America's Blood Centers.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:140076.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRONG:  I also will address the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:140920.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140935.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:140935.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:140935.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140238.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">questions that have been posed to us by the FDA.  In</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140266.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">terms of markers tested, the Roche sites are currently</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140293.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in transition to HIV.  The majority of those sites will</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140320.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be up by the end of this month and we have the two final</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140348.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sites that will up by the middle of January.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:140375.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In terms of Phase I to Phase II transition,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140402.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our recent survey demonstrated that we have a majority</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140430.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in Phase II for HCV.  We are just beginning the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140457.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">transition to HIV with two laboratories that are up.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140485.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This is the time line for transition to Phase II by the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140512.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">laboratories that reported.  There are still a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140539.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">significant number of labs that haven't determined when</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140567.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">they will, in fact, be in Phase II.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:140594.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  In terms of recipient follow-up, so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140621.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">far the ten confirmed donors that we have been all first</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140649.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">time donors, so there have been no follow-ups to be done</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140676.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on those.  And all of the products have been controls</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140703.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">where there have been no release of positive products.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:140731.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In terms of turnaround time, I mentioned</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140758.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this morning that we have a turnaround time of about 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140786.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to 14 hours for the test.  In terms of platelet release</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140813.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with a couple of exceptions, the majority of our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:140868.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with the exception of those where we have a positive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141727.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:141727.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:141727.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141030.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pool and resolution testing has to take place.  In that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141058.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">case, worse case seems to be about 72 hours.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:141085.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  In terms of automation, our current</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141112.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">system employs the Hamilton 1 AT Plus Pipetter.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141140.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">COBAS sample core analyzer which has quite a lot of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141167.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">field experience now in Europe and elsewhere in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141194.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">world, the new AmpliScreen data system which -- data</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141222.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">management system which is currently being implemented</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141249.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in the majority of the Roche testing sites with a couple</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141277.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of exceptions is version 1 and the second version is to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141304.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be implemented shortly.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:141331.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In terms of desired automation, clearly for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141359.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">us automated sample preparation would be a huge</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141386.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">improvement.  Currently, it's all done manually on these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141413.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools and that's been a problem initially with failed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141441.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">internal controls.  And of course, we also, we'd like to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141468.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">see software upgrades that would allow us to make this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141495.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">an integrated system from sample in to data out to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141523.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">connect with all of the different information systems</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141550.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that we currently employ in these different</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141578.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">laboratories.  There are a multiplicity of different</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141605.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">software systems.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:141632.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  In terms of test availability, once</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141660.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">again I showed this slide this morning.  We have the 13</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142519.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:142519.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:142519.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141822.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sites distributed geographically throughout the country.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:141850.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">That was one of the selection criteria by ABC for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141877.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">determining test sites.  And you can see from the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141904.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">connections here with the colored dots where the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141932.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">collection centers are relative to a test setter.  To</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141959.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pick our heartland representative here in Kansas City,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:141986.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you can see they have samples coming from Ohio in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142014.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">central part of the U.S. and, of course, the further</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142041.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">away, the more challenging in the turnaround time and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142069.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">platelet release.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:142096.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next.  Now finally, I do want to give</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142123.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">credit to all of the laboratories that are involved in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142151.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this process.  It's been a tremendous effort to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142178.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">coordinate all of these programs.  The cooperation with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142205.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Roche has been very good and it's been a real challenge</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142233.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to do that.  But to give you some idea of where we stand</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142260.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">relative to leadership and it's been about a year since</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142287.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that cold night when we first started, we also would</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142315.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">like to just show you what the leadership has been like,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142342.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and also to redefine window cases.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:142370.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Laughter.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:142397.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We have been all over the map.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:142424.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Laughter.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:142452.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143311.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:143311.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:143311.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:142614.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:142642.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. MIED:  Thank you, Michael, I think.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:142669.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Laughter.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:142696.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next we have Chris Healey, speaking on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142724.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">behalf of ABRA.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:142751.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">MR. HEALEY:  Thanks, Paul.  As you may</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142778.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">know, ABRA is the trade association and standard setting</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142806.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">organization for the source plasma collection industry</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142833.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and just let me just echo what Celso said that we're</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142861.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">proud to be part of the NAT success story.  Although</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142888.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ABRA members and plasma collectors, in general, haven't</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142915.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">been involved in the process of pursuing INDs for NAT,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142943.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">they nevertheless play an important role in fulfilling</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142970.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the IND requirements.  First, collection centers are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:142997.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">responsible for ensuring that adequate informed consent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143025.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is obtained from each donor whose plasma will be tested</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143052.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">under an IND.  This is no small task when one considers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143079.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that a single collection center may supply two or more</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143107.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fractionators with INDs that mandate the use of varying</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143134.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">informed consent forms.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:143162.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The same hypothetical center may also</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143189.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">supply a non-U.S. fractionated for whom no informed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143216.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">consent is required because NAT may not be -- because</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143244.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT may not be considered an investigational test in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:144088.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144103.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:144103.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:144103.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143406.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that country.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:143434.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The second way in which plasma collection</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143461.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">centers contribute to the success of NAT is by managing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143488.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the look back process.  Collection centers are charged</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143516.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with the responsibility of identifying prior donations</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143543.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from donors that have a positive test result by either</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143570.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">serology or NAT.  Because the time frames for obtaining</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143598.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test results vary by test, this process becomes more</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143625.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">complex with the addition of each new test and NAT is no</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143653.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">exception.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:143680.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The complexity of the look back process is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143707.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">confounded even further by the growing list of events</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143735.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for which look backs are required.  From the perspective</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143762.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of source plasma collectors, look backs and informed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143789.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">consent represent the greatest challenges in terms of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143817.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT implementation.  However, they also represent the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143844.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">greatest opportunities.  ABRA believes that a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143871.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">substantial effort should be undertaken to standardize</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143899.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">informed consent forms for NAT.  This would simplify the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143926.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">process for collectors, fractionators and regulators</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143954.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">alike without in any way impacting source plasma safety</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:143981.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">or compromising the donor's right to know.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:144008.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Further, this would permit source plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144036.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">intermediates to move more freely between and among</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:144162pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:144162pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:144162pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:144161.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">183</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:144880.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144895.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:144895.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:144895.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144198.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fractionators and to meet market demands in a more</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144226.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">timely basis.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:144253.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Second, in light of the resulting reduction</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144280.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in window periods occasioned by NAT, FDA should begin</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144308.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reconsidering the look back, the current look back</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144335.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">periods.  Such periods currently range from six months</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144362.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and, in the words of Buzz Lightyear, to infinity and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144390.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">beyond.  But with the advent of NAT and the industry 60-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144417.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">day voluntary hold, the question becomes what is an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144445.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">appropriate look back period?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:144472.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">A third implementation issue for the source</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144499.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma collectors is how NAT has impacted the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144527.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">administration of the ABRA viral marker rate standard.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:152.50pt;top:144554.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">For those of you who don't know this past year ABRA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144581.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implemented a revised viral marker rate standard that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144609.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sets cut off limits and action levels based on the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144636.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">number of confirmed viral market positive donors at each</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144663.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">center.  Centers that exceed the standard for a single</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144691.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">review period of six months must take corrective action</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144718.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and those that exceed it for two periods lose their QPP</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144746.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">certification.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:144773.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This standard was developed using industry-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144800.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">wide data that were collected just as NAT for HCV came</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144828.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">into full implementation.  In terms of implementing this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:145687.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:145687.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:144990.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">standard, NAT has added an unanticipated level of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145018.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">complexity.  The NAT data must be aggregated by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145045.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">collection center and reconciled with each center's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145072.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">serology data.  The fact that different laboratories</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145100.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">perform serology and NAT makes this process even more</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145127.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">arduous.  Today, the viral marker rate standard has been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145154.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fully implemented and the first formal six month review</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145182.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">period will come to a close at the end of December, this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145209.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">month.  ABRA is confident that the NAT results will be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145237.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fully integrated into this process.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:145264.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In closing, I'd like to reiterate that the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145291.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">source plasma industry is proud to be part of the NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145319.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementation process and we look forward to an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145346.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on-going dialogue regarding our proposals for informed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145373.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">consent and reconsidering look backs.  Thanks.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:145401.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:145428.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. MIED:  Thank you, Chris.  And I believe</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145455.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as our final speaker for this session we have a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145483.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">representative of IPPIA.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:145510.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">MR. HEALEY:  I think that the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145538.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">representative will be available to respond to any of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145565.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these questions to be appropriated.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:145592.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. MIED:  Okay.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:145620.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. JACOBS:  Okay, we've got a period of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146479.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:146479.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:146479.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145782.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">time to discuss some of the questions and Joe's going to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145810.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">show you on the overhead.  I think as you look at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145837.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementation questions, you'll see that many of these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145864.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were covered by our speakers.  We'd like to go through</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145892.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">them briefly and see if we have additional comments on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145919.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">them.  And we want to assure you that we've been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145946.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">listening carefully to the various specific comments</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:145974.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that were directed to FDA about suggestions for how we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146001.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are continuing to implement those and some specific ones</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146029.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were made by Dr. Bianco, by Kay Gregory and just now by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146056.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Mr. Healey.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:146083.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So looking at the first implementation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146111.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">question, it seems as those most people have talked</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146138.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about the timing from Phase I to Phase II.  It seems</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146165.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">though from the data from Dr. Strong that we're not sure</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146193.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about full implementation of HIV and I wonder if the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146220.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">different groups could comment specifically on what they</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146247.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">think the time line will be for full implementation of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146275.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV and at the same time, do they want to say anything</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146302.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">else about the shelf life of platelets in Phase II.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:146330.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We could start here.  Sue or -- did you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146357.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">want to respond to that on full implementation of HIV in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146384.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Phase II?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:146412.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRONG:  Okay, I'll start.  Since I've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147271.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:147271.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:147271.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146574.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">raised this ugly specter.  I think the big problem for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146602.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the Roche sites is software.  The dreaded V word, as we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146629.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">say, validation.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:146656.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Because we have a multiplicity of systems</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146684.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and people are trying to automate as best they can in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146711.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">order to eliminate errors from manual data transfer and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146738.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to make the implementation easier, they have put off</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146766.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">going to Phase II for HIV for the very reasons just</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146793.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mentioned.  Platelets are a significant problem.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:146821.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Also, to some extent, transportation and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146848.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">turnaround time for samples in and out for some centers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146875.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">has been a problem, so I think to be conservative,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146903.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">people have tried to do it in a fashion that doesn't</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146930.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">overly extend the availability of blood components.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:146957.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Obviously, some places have been able to do</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:146985.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that more quickly than others and my guess would be that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147012.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we will probably have everybody in Phase II within about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147039.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">six months.  That's my best guess.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:147067.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. CAGLIOTI:  I'll just comment on the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147094.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Chiron Gen-Probe.  I think you've seen the data.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147122.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">There's a very high percentage of those that are within</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147149.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our IND that are in Phase II.  However, many of them</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147176.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have these exception rules.  I think to be 100 percent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147204.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Phase II, I think it will mean that we'll have a license</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148063.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:148063.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:148063.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147366.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test available from the FDA.  So I believe that we won't</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147394.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be in 100 percent Phase II product release until we do</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147421.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have a license test of some sort because there are some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147448.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">organizations that just feel like they cannot get their</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147476.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">platelets released in a timely manner due to all the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147503.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">complexities of the testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:147530.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. GAMMON:  I just want to make a comment</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147558.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that AIBC is currently 100 percent in Phase II.  We felt</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147585.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that it was necessary to do and we were able to do that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147613.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from the start.  Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:147640.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  Speaking for the Red Cross, a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147667.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">little bit larger volume in comparison to AIBC.  We've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147695.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">been testing in one laboratory and as I've shown you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147722.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from the number of samples arriving per day, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147749.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">formidable challenge for us is having additional sites</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147777.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to perform testing.  We are currently in process to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147804.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">bring up the second facility, very close to our first</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147831.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">facility in order to split our testing into two and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147859.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hopefully that will decrease our turnaround time,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147886.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">perhaps by half.  What we need to do is clearly define</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147914.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what our turnaround time needs to be for labile</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147941.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">components to make sure they're available for our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147968.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">consignees and then to go through the process of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:147996.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">training and all of our procedures.  So we hope that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:148122pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:148122pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:148122pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:148121.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">188</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:148840.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148855.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:148855.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:148855.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148158.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">will happen shortly after the beginning of the year, but</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148186.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I cannot tell you a specific date because we need to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148213.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have a specific target and then we need our plans for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148240.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementation.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:148268.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. JACOBS:  Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:148295.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. MIED:  I'd like to go back just a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148322.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">moment to the question of platelet release and direct my</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148350.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">question to Richard Gammon and perhaps also Sue Stramer.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:148377.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Richard, you mentioned that automation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148405.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">problems with -- when you have those problems with the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148432.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">TECAN or the L.A. Block or you have invalid tests or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148459.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">errors which, taken all together, may not be that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148487.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">infrequent and you need to go back and recreate those in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148514.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">process and master pools.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:148541.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">First of all, a logistical question.  Are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148569.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the samples that went into that master pool somehow</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148596.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sequestered so that they can easily be brought back out</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148623.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">again to create new in-process and master pool and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148651.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">secondly, if you do have an automation problem or an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148678.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">error or an invalid test, is that it for platelet</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148706.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">release because now you're talking about getting into</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148733.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">second day and maybe the third day.  Under Phase II.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:148760.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. GAMMON:  Right.  Well, a couple of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:149632.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149647.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:149647.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:149647.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148950.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">released anything.  We have not released anything</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:148978.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">without being fully NAT tested.  If there is a problem</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149005.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and we do do -- we have two runs a day, sometimes three</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149032.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">runs, morning, afternoon and sometimes evening.  So if</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149060.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">there would be a problem or a loss of a run or a run</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149087.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">would have to be redone it could be done later on that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149114.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">day or the first thing the next morning.  So to my</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149142.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">knowledge we have not released any components without</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149169.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT and serology testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:149197.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. MIED:  Now if you do have an automation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149224.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">problem or an invalid test or some type of error in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149251.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">performing the NAT test and you're releasing all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149279.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">products, including platelets, based on NAT in addition</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149306.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to serology, you do have to go back and reform those</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149333.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools.  Does that take release of platelets out of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149361.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">question entirely?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:149388.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. GAMMON:  No, not entirely.  We've been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149415.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">able to do it.  If we can't do it that day, we'd have to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149443.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">do it the next day and you're right, it would cut a day</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149470.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">off of the -- it would cut a day off of the release of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149498.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the components, but the general agreement with the AABC</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149525.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">members is to hold off in releasing those components, so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149552.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the NAT tests are available.  Now of course, all the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149580.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">members do have built into place an emergency release</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:150424.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150439.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:150439.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:150439.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149742.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">form.  If there would be an emergency that the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149770.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hospital's physician could sign for an emergency release</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149797.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of components not fully tested.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:149824.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. MIED:  Sue, has that been a problem for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149852.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the Red Cross?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:149879.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  Again, we're releasing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149906.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">platelets based on serology, but to address the question</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149934.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of invalids and what happens.  Firstly, as pools are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:149961.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">created they're stored with their constituent donations.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:149989.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:179.10pt;top:149989.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">if there was a reactive pool the individual</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150016.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations are immediately accessible.  If repooling</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150043.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">needs to be done, let me say the only reason we would do</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150071.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">repooling other than an inadvertent accident which</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150098.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hasn't happened, is because we do gravimetric checks in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150125.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our pools and if they're not within the correct weight</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150153.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">range, then the pool is considered invalid and then the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150180.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">samples will be repooled.  But once the pooling is done</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150207.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and the pooled samples move to testing, if we have an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150235.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">invalid, those are added on immediately the next run.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:150262.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So they really shouldn't be a problem for platelets.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:150290.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Let me say this also, and I don't know how</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150317.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">logistically possible it is, we don't make platelets</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150344.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from each collection.  So clearly there are other ways</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150372.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to overcome the issues of the small number of invalid</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:151216.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151231.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:151231.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:151231.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150534.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">runs we've had, etcetera.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:150562.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Dr. Tabor has a question.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:150589.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Could we try to nail down the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150616.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">answer to that question a bit more concretely?  Is AIBC</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150644.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">already in Phase II for both HCV and HIV?  Is the Red</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150671.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Cross hoping to have Phase II in place early next year</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150698.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for both HCV and HIV?  And is ABC not going to have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150726.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Phase II completely for both HVC and HIV until there's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150753.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a licensed test?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:150781.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. GAMMON:  Okay, AIBC is in Phase II.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150808.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We've been in Phase II since we began testing on April</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150835.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">1st and we test for HIV and HCV.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:150863.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  The Red Cross tests all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150890.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">consenting donors for HCV and HIV.  However, we're still</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150917.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in Phase I.  A time line for Phase II has not yet been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150945.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">completely developed for implementation.  We hope to do</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:150972.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that, let me say, perhaps by first quarter.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:150999.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  You're referring to both tests?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:151027.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  Yes.  We do both tests</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151054.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because we run the Multiplex test, so we don't have a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151082.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">choice.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:151109.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Okay.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:151136.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  But we again, don't have a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151164.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">definite time line.  It is our goal to be in Phase II,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:152008.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152023.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:152023.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:152023.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:151326.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">obviously, as quickly as possible.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:151354.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  And ABC -- did I understand</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151381.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that correctly?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:151408.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BIANCO:  You heard correctly two</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151436.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">different answers and it's -- I think that what we have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151463.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">-- Mike Strong not too long ago said we are all in Phase</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151490.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">II on a good day.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:151518.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Laughter.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:151545.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We have to recognize that those systems</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151573.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were put together as -- they were not final tests that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151600.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a manufacturer had put together, had tested internally</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151627.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and all that.  Those things have been evolving.  And</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151655.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">particularly, I think there are two major issues that we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151682.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">still have to resolve.  One is logistics.  If you saw</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151709.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:151737.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Celso, excuse me, I mean the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151764.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reasons -- we've heard the list of reasons.  I'm just</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151791.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">trying to nail down the numbers.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:151819.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BIANCO:  The numbers will come as we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151846.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">improve this software for the Roche systems and as the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151874.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">logistic issues are resolved for centers that have to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151901.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">travel a lot to get there.  And so I believe that the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151928.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">prediction that Mike made of six months to get there is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:151956.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">correct.  I think that what Sally was trying to tell us</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:152800.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152815.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:152815.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:152815.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152118.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is that the inducement of a licensure would be a great</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152146.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">motive for everybody to be in Phase II.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:152173.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Obviously, if you were forced</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152200.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to do it, you have to do it.  But that almost leads</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152228.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">right into one of the other questions.  We've now talked</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152255.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about 99 percent of the supply.  Are the tests available</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152282.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to everyone and to what extent can someone who is not a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152310.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">part of your system obtain testing?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:152337.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BIANCO:  To my knowledge, and I think I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152365.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">can respond the same for all the organizations that are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152392.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sitting here, the tests have been available to everyone</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152419.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and at least, for instance, the example that I have in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152447.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">New York, hospitals that collect and have not used the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152474.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">system is because they did not finish going through</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152501.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">their IRB or they didn't have enough encouragement to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152529.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">just move fast enough.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:152556.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  We still get letters or at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152583.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">least some letters at FDA from small outfits complaining</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152611.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that they are at a competitive disadvantage.  Should we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152638.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">just send them the addresses of the large IND holders?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:152666.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">That's good because that's what we've been doing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:152693.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BIANCO:  Definitely.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:152720.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Laughter.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:152748.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. JACOBS:  We asked the question: has</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:153592.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153607.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:153607.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:153607.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152910.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contamination been an issue?  I think we've had speakers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152938.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">address that, so I think now we'd like to ask the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152965.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">question what have you learned from looking at your data</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:152992.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about contamination or other types of errors, and could</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153020.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you briefly comment on any changes in procedures,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153047.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">etcetera, and Sally, could you speak first?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:153074.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. CAGLIOTI:  I'm the ring leader of this.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:153102.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I think it's real clear, at least in the system that we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153129.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">use and I think the Red Cross has come to find since</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153157.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">they've started to include seropositives in the pools</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153184.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and in the test system itself, but the contamination is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153211.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">coming at the individual test level within the test</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153239.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">system within the run.  We don't seem to get pools</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153266.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contaminating other pools and we don't seem to see a lot</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153293.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of pooling contamination of sample to sample within the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153321.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pooling system.  This all happens intra-run.  So I think</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153348.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what we need to do is look at ways to separate the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153375.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seropositive samples when we're doing the resolution</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153403.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing, i.e., when we find a positive pool, perhaps</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153430.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">look at the seroreactive samples and take those out of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153458.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the run.  So yes, we are looking for ways to try to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153485.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reduce that.  But it is an issue and it seems to only be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153512.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">occurring with the individual sample level, not within</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154399.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:154399.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:154399.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153702.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">concerned about before we started testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:153730.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. JACOBS:  Thanks.  Sue?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:153757.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BIANCO:  Actually, Mary Beth, just a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153784.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">comment.  If we compare to the predictions that we had</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153812.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in the early days of NAT testing, we were very scared</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153839.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and actually I think that every one of these systems in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153866.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the centers took a large number of precautions in terms</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153894.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of separating environments and engineering and all that,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153921.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that have prevented those disasters from occurring.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:153949.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  I'd like to reiterate what</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:153976.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Celso said.  As I presented this morning, our pool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154003.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive rate or initially reactive rate for our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154031.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pre-Phase II is only .17 percent.  And that's comparable</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154058.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to the lowest test we do today for serology.  So our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154085.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">initial rates are very low.  Our repeat rates, that is,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154113.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">rates now to a single donation level, are only 1 in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154140.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">30,000.  That is clearly lower than any serological test</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154167.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we do and I'd like to think it is because as Celso also</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154195.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">said, we've taken the precaution to really isolate and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154222.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have a linear work flow.  But since we -- the challenge</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154250.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">did come when we included seroreactives.  So until we're</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154277.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in a Phase II program, what we are doing now is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154304.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">obtaining the serological results from the NTLs and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154332.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">segregating, removing the seroreactives, testing them</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155191.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:155191.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:155191.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154494.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">singly, not even bothering to pool them and we've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154522.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">isolated those on isolated runs.  So clearly, separation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154549.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of seroreactives out of the pooling and during</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154576.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resolution also will help prevent contamination.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:154604.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. JACOBS:  Good, thanks very much.  And I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154631.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">wonder if either Dr. Gammon or Dr. Strong would want to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154658.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">comment on that?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:154686.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRONG:  I'd be happy to.  One of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154713.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">things that we've learned is that you have to be careful</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154741.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">when you walk across a room with a plateful of samples,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154768.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that you don't trip and drop them and cross contaminate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154795.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that you've got everything in your hands.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:154795.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154823.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">think a second thing is automation is clearly going to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154850.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be a big improvement to this process.  Any kind of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154877.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manual steps, any kind of manual pipepetting will</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154905.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">increase the chance of contamination.  I think that a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154932.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">lot of these contamination aspects have been because of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154959.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pipepetting problems.  The texts have gotten very good,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:154987.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to be more careful, and that the learning curve has</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155014.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">clearly been important in that.  So there's still a lot</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155042.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to be learned, but the more we move toward automation,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155069.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I think the better off we're going to be.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:155096.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. GAMMON:  And I just wanted to emphasize</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155124.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that I think minimizing contamination, a proper training</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:155983.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:155983.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155286.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of staff.  We have a unidirectional work flow and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155314.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">strictly adhere to that, when we have doors marked "do</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155341.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">not enter", move in one direction and strict adherence</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155368.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to the manufacturer's insert all help to minimize</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155396.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contamination issues.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:155423.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. MIED:  Chris, you asked a question what</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155450.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is an appropriate look back period.  I think we heard</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155478.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from Mike Busch this morning about his experience with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155505.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">look back.  I'd like to direct this question, first of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155533.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">all, to you, Chris and then secondly, maybe to Celso and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155560.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Sue.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:155587.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Going back to prior collections, how far</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155615.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">back are you going, how many cases have you done and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155642.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what have you found?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:155669.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">MR. HEALEY:  Paul, I don't have any direct</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155697.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">data on the INDs and perhaps others in the audience can</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155724.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">comment on that, but I think you heard from Chuck</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155751.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Heldebrant and Alpha this morning that 100 percent of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155779.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">all implicated units were retrieved under the industry</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155806.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">60-day hold and we've rolled that data out before,  that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155834.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the 60-day hold really affords an adequate opportunity</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155861.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to hold back all those implicated units with the NAT and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155888.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the shortened window period makes that hold even more</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:155916.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">robust, so we're really able to get 100 percent of all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156775.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:156775.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:156775.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156078.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the implicated units.  I hope that addresses what you're</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156106.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">asking.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:156133.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. MIED:  Now there's prior collections.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:156160.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Some had not been, perhaps, previously NAT tested.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156188.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Have you found NAT positives among those?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:156215.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">MR. HEALEY:  I'm not sure I understand your</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156242.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">question.  The look back units, in other words, have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156270.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">they not been NAT tested?  I can't answer that.  I don't</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156297.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">know what the individual IND holders have done with the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156325.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">units they have retrieved, whether they've gone back and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156352.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">eventually performed that on those, and what the results</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156379.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:156407.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. MIED:  All right, Celso and Sue, how</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156434.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">far back are you going, and how many cases do you have,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156461.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and what have you found?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:156489.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  Okay, I can go first.  First,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156516.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the IND, the simplest approach we took was to take what</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156543.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the FDA is already using, so for look back for HIV we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156571.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">used p24 antigen, since NAT is a marker of virus and so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156598.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is p24 antigen.  So we do look back for three months.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:156626.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">For HCV, we do look back for a year.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156653.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">That's the current guidance, correct me if I'm wrong,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156680.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">but that we are just applying what the FDA has already</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156708.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">chosen as the most logical method.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157567.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:157567.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:157567.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:156870.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">From our 12 cases that I discussed, our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156898.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">index cases, our yield cases, six were from repeat</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156925.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donors.  I don't have memorized all the collection</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156952.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">dates, but interestingly enough, most of them did not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:156980.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fall into the look back period.  Of the one that did, we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157007.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were, knock on whatever, it was incredible luck that we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157034.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">could retrieve that plasma, that the plasma was sitting</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157062.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on the hospital shelf.  We could call the hospital, get</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157089.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the plasma and have it tested.  And that was 60 days</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157117.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">prior to the index NAT reactive unit and that tested</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157144.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">stone cold negative on every test we could throw at it,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157171.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">although there is a red cell recipient and that red cell</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157199.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recipient will be notified to be tested with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157226.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">encouragement with the consignee giving them the plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157253.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">results so that that recipient shouldn't be unduly</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157281.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">alarmed.  We had additional data that they're likely not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157308.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">infected.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:157335.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BIANCO:  Yes, I don't know exactly all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157363.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our numbers, but I believe whatever they are, they're</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157390.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very small.  And I don't think that they have been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157418.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">published at the present time.  We are using the same</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157445.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">algorithm for HIV these three months, or eight weeks</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157472.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">actually, use the p24.  Algorithm for HCV, we are doing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157500.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one year.  I think there is a big difference between</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158359.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:158359.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:158359.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157662.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what is done with source plasma versus our donors.  Our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157690.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donors come at bigger intervals, and so the look back</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157717.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">has less meaning.  Within the source plasma, the donor</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157744.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">comes regularly, the plasma is there and there is --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157772.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">they can collect the data and they can hold back those</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157799.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">units more effectively.  Now I don't think that we are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157826.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ready in whole blood collection, at least I'm not ready</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157854.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to accept a certain look back period except for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157881.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">numbers that Mike was showing us and that were, in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157909.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">essence, faulty.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:157936.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. JACOBS:  I think we could take just a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157963.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">few questions from the floor if there are any.  While</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:157991.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we're waiting to see if someone comes to the microphone,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158018.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'd like to thank all of our speakers.  I think it's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158045.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">been a very interesting session and we appreciate your</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158073.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">directly dealing with the questions that people are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158100.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">concerned about and I think we've gotten some very clear</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158127.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">information.  So if there's anyone who would like to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158155.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">raise an additional question, if you'd go to the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158182.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">microphone.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:158210.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Well, I guess you've maybe anticipated --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158237.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is this someone coming?  Well, he's going to a chair.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:158264.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Okay.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:158292.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Please identify yourself when you ask the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:159136.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159151.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:159151.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:159151.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158454.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">question.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:158482.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">MR. SHERMAN:  I'm Larry Sherman from the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158509.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">CAP.  I would echo Kay's hospital perspective and from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158536.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that standpoint ask if there have been any blood centers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158564.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">who have exchanged post-NAT implementation frozen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158591.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">product for pre-NAT product still out on shelves?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:158618.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. CAGLIOTI:  Larry, yes, Blood Systems</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158646.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">did that.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:158673.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">MR. SHERMAN:  Blood Systems has done that.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:158701.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Anybody else?  The reason I ask is from a hospital</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158728.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">perspective and patient perspective, it's intriguing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:158755.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The hospital, let's say a patient is transfused right</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158783.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">now, that wasn't done, that patient gets red cells and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158810.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma will get tested -- red cells for which they pay,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158837.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">but the FFP from that donation for which they have paid</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158865.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for the testing probably is going to Europe for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158892.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fractionation and the FFP that they've received was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158919.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">probably drawn by spring or winter and wasn't NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:158947.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tested.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:158974.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BIANCO:  I'd like to make just one</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159002.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">comment, Larry.  We all did that with p24 antigen.  This</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159029.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was a licensed test.  We knew the outcome.  We knew what</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159056.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was going to happen.  In this case, we are in a IND mode</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159084.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and while the results here are very encouraging, I think</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:159928.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159943.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:159943.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:159943.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159246.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that we are all --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:159274.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">MR. SHERMAN:  I agree fully and I agree NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159301.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">should be tested, but I'm simply saying that patient</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159328.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">paid for the whole nine yards to be tested.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:159356.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">MR. TEGMEIER:  Gary Tegmeier, Community</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159383.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Blood Center, Kansas City.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:159410.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Sue, I have a question for you.  You</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159438.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">indicated that Red Cross is testing for HIV and for HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159465.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for all consenting donors.  I wondered what percentage</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159493.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of donor who are declining to be tested?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:159520.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  From data we collected when</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159547.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we first implemented, it varied from one to two percent,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159575.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">but current estimates are probably one percent or less.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:159602.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">MR. TEGMEIER:  So are you discarding the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159629.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood from donors who do not consent to be tested?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:159657.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  Currently, we don't, but very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159684.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">shortly we will go to a policy of, if you consent to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159711.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donate, you consent to the test and then everything we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159739.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">collect will be tested other than autologous.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:159766.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">MR. TEGMEIER:  Thanks.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:159794.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. JACOBS:  Thank you again to our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:159821.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">speakers.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:159848.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:159876.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  The next session will be on NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:160002pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:160002pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:160002pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:160001.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">203</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:160720.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160735.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:160735.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:160735.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160038.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing for Parvovirus B19.  The moderators are Dr. Mei-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160066.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Ying Yu from the Division of Hematology at CBER and Dr.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160093.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thomas Lynch, also from the Division of Hematology.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160120.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">first speaker is Dr. Thomas Lynch.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:160148.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. YU:  I just want to introduce to you,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160175.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Dr. -- probably everybody knows about him, but anyway,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160202.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Dr. Thomas Lynch is our Deputy Director of Division of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160230.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Hematology, CBER.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:160257.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. LYNCH:  Thanks, Mei-Ying.  Good</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160285.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">afternoon, everyone.  This session actually raises an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160312.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">interesting contrast to some of the prior sessions in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160339.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that we're now talking about a virus that is generally</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160367.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">less clinically significant than viruses such as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160394.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hepatitis C, but have a far greater prevalence in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160421.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">general population and among donors.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:160449.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">As you may know -- the first slide, please</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160476.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">-- as you may know, the Agency in considering NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160503.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing for B19, recently reached the conclusion that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160531.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">insofar as testing plasma for further manufacturing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160558.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">went, there would be no need to demonstrate the clinical</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160586.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">effectiveness of such tests, i.e., no need for clinical</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160613.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">trials under INDs as are being conducted for the more</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160640.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">significant viruses.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:160668.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We thought instead the testing could be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:160794pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:160794pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:160794pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:160793.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">204</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:161512.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161527.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:161527.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:161527.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160830.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implemented as an in-process control and validated as an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160858.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">analytical method and that we could control the quality</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160885.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of such testing and the impact to the products through</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160912.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the licensing mechanism.  Well, this left us with a need</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160940.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to establish some reasonable and objective standards for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160967.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">evaluating license applications covering nucleic acid</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:160994.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing for B19 and we've gotten together a discussion</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161022.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">group among those who have been involved in the NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161049.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing for the other viruses, within the Agency, to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161077.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">come up with some guidelines in that respect.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:161104.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  What I want to focus my</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161131.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">remarks on today are aspects of the clinical,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161159.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pre-clinical assay evaluation.  There are other aspects</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161186.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to licensing a nucleic acid test such as facilities</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161213.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">issues, control of your reagents, sample handling,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161241.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">shipping, storage and so forth.  Those, I think, are all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161268.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very much generic GNP issues that will apply across the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161295.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">board whether the nucleic acid test is being performed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161323.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for hepatitis C or B19.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:161350.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The clinical evaluation is out, as I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161378.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mentioned, and this leaves us with the sequence of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161405.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">events that take place in order to evaluate the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161432.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">performance of the assay.  Our internal conclusions are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161460.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that analytical specificity, analytical sensitivity and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:161586pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:161586pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:161586pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:161585.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">205</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162319.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:162319.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:162319.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161622.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the precision of the assay to include reproducibility</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161650.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and proficiency of the testing lab should be performed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161677.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as our current recommendations suggest.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:161704.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">However, the determination of what for a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161732.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">better term I've called preclinical specificity which in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161759.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">other types of tests involve the testing of random,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161786.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">healthy donors, and preclinical sensitivity which in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161814.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">current applications involve the testing of a certain</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161841.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">number of known positives, need to be modified in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161869.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">context of B19 screening.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:161896.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  The reason for this is that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161923.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT for B19 focuses not on the donor and the donor's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161951.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">clinical status, but on an effort to cap the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:161978.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contamination of manufacturing pools from which plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162005.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">derivatives are manufactured.  And therefore, whatever</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162033.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">objective standard is set for the performance of such a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162060.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test should focus on the manufacturing pool.  So</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162087.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">therefore, as a first suggestion, we have proposed that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162115.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">whatever testing is done should be capable of capping</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162142.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the B19 DNA contamination of the manufacturing pools to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162170.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">less than 10 genome equivalence per mL and everything</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.90pt;top:162168.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162197.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">else will key off of this.  So this is a central</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162224.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">proposal.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:162252.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now we feel that that is a meaningfully low</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:162378pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:162378pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:162378pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:162377.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">206</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:163096.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163111.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:163111.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:163111.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162414.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">number and there is some support from that, from the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162442.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Vitex experience which I think we'll hear more about in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162469.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a moment and the number of positives that will have to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162496.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be rejected should be manageable.  It should not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162524.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">paralyze the testing and release process for plasma.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:162551.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">With regard to testing for specificity,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162578.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">there's two components to this testing.  One focuses on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162606.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the familiar, random plasma donations and the point, of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162633.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">course, is to -- the expectation is that most of these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162661.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">will be negative, but when a positive is obtained that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162688.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">result should be confirmed with both repeat testing in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162715.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">duplicate and a confirmatory test, preferably one that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162743.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">involves the use of different primers targeted to a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162770.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">different region of the genome.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:162797.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The second phase and finally, the confirmed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162825.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive should be titered in order to determine what</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162852.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the test actually picked up.  The second phase would be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162879.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing of 100,000 plasma donations in the form of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162907.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">minipools.  Now I'm making an assumption here, a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162934.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reasonable assumption, that most testing initially will</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162962.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be done in minipools, much like it is for the other</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:162989.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">viruses.  Any positives that are obtained should be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163016.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">confirmed by, again, repeat testing in duplicate and the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163044.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">use of an appropriate confirmatory test.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:163170pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:163170pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:163170pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:163169.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">207</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:163888.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163903.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:163903.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:163903.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:163206.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The sponsor should then trace the positive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163234.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reaction back to the individual positive unit.  Now this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163261.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">proposal is not being made for the implementation of an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163288.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">approved test, but identifying the positive unit was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163316.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">considered to be an essential part of validating the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163343.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assay.  So during the validation phase we think the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163370.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individual unit should be identified and then the titer</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163398.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of the positive minipool and the individual donation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163425.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">should be determined.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:163453.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  For sensitivity, there are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163480.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">basically three things:  testing of 20 known positive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163507.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations.  It's a small number, but we recognize that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163535.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the availability of known positive units may differ from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163562.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sponsor to sponsor and determining the titer of each</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163589.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that is tested.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:163617.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The second phase overlaps perfectly with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163644.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the proposal under specificity, testing of the 100,000</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163671.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations in minipools, confirming any positives,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163699.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tracing the positive result back to an individual</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163726.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation and determining the titers of the minipools and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163754.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the donations.  And finally, as the gold standard, all</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163781.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of the manufacturing pools that result from plasma that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163808.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">has been tested through the minipool process, should be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163836.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tested and determined to be, in fact, less than 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164695.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:164695.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:164695.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:163998.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">genome equivalence per mL.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:164026.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We're bringing these thoughts and I want to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164053.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">emphasize that they've gone no further beyond that,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164080.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these thoughts to you, in order to get feedback on the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164108.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">practicality of the proposals and the effectiveness of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164135.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">them as standards for judging license applications for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164162.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">B19 NAT testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:164190.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I think I'll finish there.  The first</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164217.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">outside speaker is Aris Lazo, Dr. Aris Lazo from VI</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164245.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Technologies and this will start a series of talks that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164272.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">will describe actual real world experience with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164299.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Parvovirus B19 and its testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:164327.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Dr. Lazo?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:164354.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. LAZO:  Well, thank you very much and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164381.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'd like to thank the organizer for giving me the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164409.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">opportunity to be here and show our data from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164436.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementation of B19 testing in PLAS + SD.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:164463.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Sorry, I went too far.  I'm going to focus</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164491.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on the implementation of B19, testing for PLAS + SD by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164518.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the polymerase chain reaction.  However, I just want to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164546.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mention very briefly that we have implemented hepatitis</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164573.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">A testing for final product and we submitted supplement</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164600.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to our PLA to the FDA and was approved.  On the label</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164628.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">claim it states PLAS + SD tested by hepatitis A by PCR</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:164754pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:164754pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:164754pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:164753.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">209</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:165472.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165487.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:165487.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:165487.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164790.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contains no greater than 9.4 genomes equivalence with 95</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164818.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent confidence interval of 6.2 and 12.6. genomes</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164845.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">equivalent per mL.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164872.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This testing has been done by NGI.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:164900.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">As you know, we have an on-going Phase 4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164927.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">clinical trials and so far we have transfused 77 healthy</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164954.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">volunteers with one unit each and there are 14 PLAS + SD</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:164982.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">lots that have been involved.  We have no evidence of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165009.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HAV transmission.  We have 18 seroconversions for B19.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:165037.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">All of them are associated with three lots of PLAS + SD</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165064.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that contains PCR titers greater than 10.  Lots with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:438.25pt;top:165063.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">7</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165091.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">B19 titers less than 10 have no volunteers transmitted</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:307.90pt;top:165090.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165119.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with those lots has not seroconverted.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:165146.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Therefore, Vitex decided to take the action</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165173.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to screen for B19.  The available methods for testing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165201.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antigen and antivirus are not appropriate, therefore, we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165228.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">decided to develop, implement and validate the CR</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165255.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing for B19.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:165283.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The testing is done at two levels.  It's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165310.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">done at the minipool level and it's done also at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165338.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">final product.  Our manufacturing pool contains no</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165365.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">greater than 2500 units of plasma.  The plasma comes in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165392.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cases containing 20 units each.  Therefore, we formed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165420.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the primary pools from each case containing the 20 units</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:166264.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166279.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:166279.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:166279.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165582.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from the pigtail from each of those units.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:165582.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165610.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">then from five cases containing 20 units each, we formed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165637.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what we call the minipool which contains 100 units.  Our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165664.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">first round of testing is testing the 100 units</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165692.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">minipool.  If that's negative, it goes into the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165719.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacture.  If it is positive, then we go and test the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165746.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">five primary pools.  We discard the positive primary</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165774.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pool that contained the 20 units.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:165801.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We have tested so far approximately 14,000</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165829.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">primary pools and we have found 342 of those 14,000 to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165856.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be positive.  If we assume one positive unit per primary</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165883.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pool, that will be the equivalent to 1 in 800 and this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165911.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">correlates with some of the previously published</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165938.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">prevalence studies.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:165965.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Once we have formed the minipool our PCR</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:165993.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">consists of two pair of primers.  We use an internal</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166020.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">control called PPV which is a porcine Parvovirus very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166047.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">similar to the B19.  We spike the porcine parvo at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166075.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very beginning so it controls for extraction,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166102.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">amplification and detection, and the extraction is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166130.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manual.  We use a Kiagene kit and then we proceed to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166157.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">amplification and finally detection using gel</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166184.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">electrophoresis.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:166212.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I just want to make a point in here that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:167056.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167071.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:167071.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:167071.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166374.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the number one lane is a negative sample.  The number</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166402.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">two lane is a negative sample containing the internal</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166429.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">control and lane number three is a positive sample for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166456.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">B19 and contains also the internal control.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:166484.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We also run blanks and we run a negative control</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166511.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">every five samples in order to control for close</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166538.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contamination.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:166566.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Once we develop the PCR we proceed to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166593.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">validation and I just want to validate the assay and I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166621.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">just want to mention we did this before the guidelines</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166648.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that we are discussing were available.  What we did was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166675.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for -- we tested -- we studied really about at least</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166703.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">four parameters that included limited detection,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166730.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">interference, the specificity, and precision.  The for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166757.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the limited detection we used the National Institute</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166785.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Biological standards working reagent that was kindly</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166812.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">provided by Dr. John Saldanha.  The reason we used this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166839.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reagent was because if an international standard is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166867.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">developed, then it will be very easy for us to calibrate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166894.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this reagent against the international standard and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166922.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assign units and then we know what the true sensitivity</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:166949.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of this assay will be.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:166976.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">For that, we did four series of dilutions a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167004.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">half log apart and each series contained ten replicates.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:167848.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167863.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:167863.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:167863.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:167166.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Therefore, we tested 40 samples for all the -- for each</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167194.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">dilution.  And the window of the limited detection is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167221.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the dilution in which 95 percent of the samples are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167248.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive.  And in this case will be the working reagent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167276.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">diluted 10 .</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:216.00pt;top:167275.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">-1</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:167303.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Based on the same serial dilutions, we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167330.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">determined what is called the endpoint dilution or the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167358.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ED50 and that what it tells you really is the dilution</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167385.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in which 50 percent of the samples are positive.  In</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167413.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this case, using the same reagent will be the 10 .  If</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:488.15pt;top:167411.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">-2</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167440.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we assume a Poisson distribution, then we will be able</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167467.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to -- we were able to calculate the genomes equivalence</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167495.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for mL in these samples and therefore our assay has a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167522.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">medium estimate of 81 copies of genomes equivalence</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167549.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitivity with an upper and lower 95 confidence of 49</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167577.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and 135.  I must say that these calculations were done</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167604.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">based on a paper by Dr. Alan Heath which is the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167631.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">statistician from the National Institute of Biological</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167659.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Standards and Controls.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:167686.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Then we proceed to determine the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167714.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">specificity of the assay and for that we spike our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167741.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sample with pathogens that include viruses and bacteria.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:167768.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And then in one of the samples, in one of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167796.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">replicates that we did, we spiked all the pathogens</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:167922pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:167922pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:167922pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:167921.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">213</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168655.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:168655.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:168655.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167958.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">except the B19 and then we amplified as normal.  We</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:167986.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">didn't see any amplification.  Therefore, those primers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168013.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for B19 are very specific and they do not cross react</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168040.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with any of the other pathogens.   Then we spike the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168068.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pathogens plus B19 diluted 1 to 10.  As you have seen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168095.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">before, 1 to 10 is very close to the limit of detection</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168122.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of the assay.  And we amplify and we detected the five</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168150.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">replicates 505.  Therefore, these pathogens do not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168177.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">interfere with our PCR assay.  Similar results would</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168205.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have been with the bacteria.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:168232.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Interference was determined at the level of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168259.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">indigenous substances like hemoglobin, bilirubin,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168287.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">lipids, anticoagulants and nucleoside analogs.  All the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168314.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">substances were spiked into the plasma and then we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168341.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">proceeded to do the amplification.  As you can see,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168369.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">there is no interference.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:168396.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Finally, we did assay precision at two</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168423.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">levels, repeatability and intermediate precision.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168451.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Again, we used the NIBSC reagent, diluted 1 to 10 which</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168478.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">again is very close to the limit of detection.  We got</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168506.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">100 percent positive results.  Also, we studied the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168533.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">intermediate precision which include different</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168560.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">operators, different days, different lots, Tax</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168588.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">polymerase, extraction kits and again we didn't see any</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:168714pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:168714pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:168714pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:168713.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">214</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169447.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:169447.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:169447.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168750.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">effect.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:168778.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In conclusion, I can say that we have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168805.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">developed and implemented PCR for hepatitis A and B19</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168832.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that is cleaning of the plasma for HIV and B19 reduces</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168860.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">or eliminates transmission of B19 and hepatitis A.  And</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168887.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">transmission of B19 by unscreened blood products are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168914.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">likely, of course, more frequently than we recognize.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:168942.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">These are the people who have participated in this work</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:168969.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and that's all.  Thank you very much.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:168997.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:169024.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. YU:  Thank you, Dr. Lazo.  Our next</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169051.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">speaker is Dr. Thomas Weimer from Centeon Pharma.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:169079.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. WEIMER:  Thank you.  I'm going to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169106.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">present pilot study results which were obtained in our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169133.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Marburg location.  Why is B19 an NAT target for plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169161.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacture?  It's a self-limiting infection with only</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169188.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a few clinical consequences.  But there are certain risk</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169215.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">groups like pregnant women and immuno-compromised</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169243.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">patients who receive plasma derived products and there</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169270.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have been reported B19 transmissions for coagulation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169298.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">factors.  In addition, this virus can reach tremendous</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169325.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">virus concentrations in the acute viremic phase up to 14</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169352.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">logs per milliliter.  And in addition, it's pretty</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169380.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resistant to physical-chemical methods for virus</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:169506pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:169506pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:169506pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:169505.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">215</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:170224.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170239.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:170239.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:170239.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169542.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">inactivation and in addition, it's highly prevalent in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169570.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma donations.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:169597.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So in our first attempt to estimate what we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169624.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">would expect if we wanted to start screening for B19, we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169652.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">looked at about 53,000 donations with a very sensitive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169679.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">PCO, showing that 1 in 835 donations was PCR reactive.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:152.60pt;top:169706.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Most of those positives were at low or moderate B19</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169734.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">levels which is less than 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:354.00pt;top:169733.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">7</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:367.45pt;top:169734.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">genomes per mL.  Those</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169761.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">genomes refer to the NIBSC 97542 standard.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169789.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">About 1 in 10,000 donations contain titers of greater</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169816.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">than 10 genomes per mL, up to 10 .</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:194.40pt;top:169815.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">7</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:378.95pt;top:169815.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">13</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:169843.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Due to the prevalence our B19 PCR screening</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169871.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">targets the removal of those high titered donations and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169898.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the detection and removal of such donations from further</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169925.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturing will prohibit 9 logs or more from entering</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:169953.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturing pools.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:169980.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">What we do, we call high titer screening</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170007.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which is a PCR of defined limited sensitivity which was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170035.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">designed to detect and remove B19 positive donations,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170062.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was greater than 10 genomes per mL.  This screening is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:279.35pt;top:170061.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">7</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170090.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">integrated into the current minipool testing procedures</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170117.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and the potential B19 peak load of fractionation pools</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170144.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">will be reduced to less than 10 genomes per mL.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:367.20pt;top:170143.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">6</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:170172.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  We have done two pilot</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:170298pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:170298pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:170298pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:170297.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">216</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:171016.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171031.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:171031.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:171031.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170334.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">studies, one in IND and one in the quality control</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170362.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">department in Marburg which tested part of the plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170389.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fractionated at that location.  They came to pretty</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170416.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">similar result of frequency of around 1 per 10,000</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170444.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations with a high titer donation.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:170471.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Well, this results in fractionation pools</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170498.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and we compare 30 pools which were from B19 untested</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170526.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma with over 100 fractionation pools which were made</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170553.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from B19 PCR pre-screened plasma and if you look at your</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170581.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">proposed limit, there are a couple of pools which would</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170608.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be at or slightly above your proposed limit.  What we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170635.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">can see is that the peak virus loads, they disappear.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:170663.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The average goes down and there are more completely</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170690.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">negative pools found after pre-screen.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:504.00pt;top:170690.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170717.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">slide, please.  We looked at the product and the product</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170745.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was antithrombin III due to the fact that it could be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170772.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">managed from production logistics and that the product</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170799.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is going to be used in a clinical trial which includes</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170827.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pregnant women.  We compared 12 lots made from untested</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170854.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma with six lots of antithrombin III which were made</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170882.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">exclusively from pretested plasma, from plasma pools you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170909.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">just saw.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:302.40pt;top:170909.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">What we knew from validation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170936.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">studies was that the cumulative B19 removal factor in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:170964.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the manufacturing process for the ATIII is about ten</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:171090pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:171090pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:171090pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:171089.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">217</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:171808.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171823.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:171823.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:171823.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171126.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">lots.  Here are the results where eight out of those 12</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171154.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">lots made from untested plasma contained B19 viral DNA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171181.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">up to about 2.5 lots, I think, whereas all those six</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171208.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">lots made from pretested plasma were PCR nonreactive.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.15pt;top:171236.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So this indicates that the virus reduction capacity of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171263.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this manufacturing process in conjunction with the high</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171290.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">titer screening for B19 results in an unreactive final</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171318.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">product.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:171345.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now this is specific for ATIII.  This may</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171373.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">look like different for other products and we may only</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171400.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be able to look at those products once we have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171427.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implemented our full B19 testing for all our plasma.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:171455.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Final slide, please.  So we feel that B19</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171482.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">high titer screening is a feasible approach to screen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171509.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for B19 contaminated units.  It will remove plasma units</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171537.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with high levels of B19 from manufacturing and it will</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171564.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">significantly decrease peak virus loads of fractionation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171591.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools and the removal capacity is nine to 17 lots of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171619.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">virals.  It compliments the current viral removal steps</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171646.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and it considerably reduces the virus burden in final</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171674.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">products.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:171701.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thanks for your attention.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:171728.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:171756.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. YU:  Thank you, Mr. Weimer.  Our next</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:171882pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:171882pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:171882pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:171881.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">218</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:172600.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172615.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:172615.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:172615.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171918.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">speaker is Dr. Gerold Zerlauth from Baxter Hyland</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:171946.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Immuno.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:171973.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. ZERLAUTH:  Ladies and gentlemen, if you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172000.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have to commute to downtown Washington every day, you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172028.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">may not choose a Formula 1 racing car and if you have to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172055.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">screen plasma for the presence of Parvovirus, you may</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172082.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">not think of PCR in the first moment because that assay</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172110.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">has been developed to detect very few viruses in rare</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172137.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">incidents.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:172165.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Parvovirus, as we have seen, is present in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172192.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">high numbers and in many samples and you have to make</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172219.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">provisions that you're not overwhelmed with work if you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172247.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">run a PCR on such samples.  As we have seen, there are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172274.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reasons why we should introduce screening, namely for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172301.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the transmissibility that can be detected in plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172329.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">derivatives and mainly there is no reliable test and so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172356.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we have to take what we have and that could be PCR or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172383.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:172411.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We have seen that prevalence of very high</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172438.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">titer samples is fairly high, 1 to 10,000.  We know that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172466.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individual donations can go up to 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:412.30pt;top:172464.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">13</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:430.30pt;top:172466.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">per milliliter</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172493.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and overall -- one more, please -- and we  know that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172520.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pooled donations and Dr. Weimer has just show they can</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172548.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">go up to the 10 or 10 equivalence per milliliter.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:252.00pt;top:172546.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">8</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:299.75pt;top:172546.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">9</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:173392.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173407.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:173407.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:173407.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:172710.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next, please.  So we decided to go with PCR</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172738.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for screening of Parvovirus and we wanted to detect and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172765.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">eliminate high viral load donations.  We wanted to show</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172792.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that there is no impact on antibody distribution and we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172820.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">did not want to have any donor related follow up due to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172847.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the short period of time of the viremic phase.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:172874.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next, please.  In mid-1998, we developed a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172902.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">quantitative PCR assay system based on TaqMan and we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172929.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">validated that, of course, and started a limited study</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172957.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to evaluate a suitable cut off level to achieve this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:172984.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">goal.  I have shown these slides previously.  We found</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173011.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this comprises about one million donations and we found</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173039.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that up, almost 60 percent on nonreactive in this test.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:173066.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This is a very sensitive test and has a cut off limit</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173093.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of 95 percent at about 10 to 15 genome equivalence per</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173121.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">milliliter.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:173148.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We found that another 35 percent are very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173175.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">low loaded with virus and only about four percent of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173203.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools were higher than 10 per milliliter.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:324.00pt;top:173202.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">6</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:173230.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This is how the production pools look like</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173258.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in the same assay and you see that we do have up to the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173285.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:158.40pt;top:173284.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">9</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:171.35pt;top:173285.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of genome equivalence in production pools if they</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173312.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are made from unscreened material.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:173340.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next please.  This is just a list of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:173466pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:173466pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:173466pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:173465.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">220</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:174184.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174199.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:174199.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:174199.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173502.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">results that we have got in tabular form.  I'm sorry,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173530.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">thank you.  This is from 1997 when we started looking</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173557.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">into this business up to May 1999.  We have tested 773</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173584.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of our production pools in the scheme and as you can see</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173612.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">25 of them were nonreactive in our system and about 20</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173639.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent of the pools were higher than 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:490.80pt;top:173638.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">6</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:511.15pt;top:173639.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">per</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173666.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">milliliter.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:173694.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Go on, please.  If you look at that 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:528.25pt;top:173693.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">6</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173721.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which is four percent, it's four percent, as I said, and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173749.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that four percent causes 20 percent of our production</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173776.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools to be higher than 10.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:331.20pt;top:173775.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">6</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:173803.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Just go ahead.  One more.  Now we had to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173831.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">design a parvo screening program which had the goal to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173858.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">limit the maximum parvo load of production pool at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173885.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">level of the 10 genome equivalence per milliliter and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:252.70pt;top:173884.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173913.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the procedure that we designed was, as I said, to detect</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173940.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">high load minipools in the first round.  We needed a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173967.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">suitable cut off and that was 10, we decided, and we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:380.15pt;top:173966.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">6</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:173995.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">wanted to deconstruct the high load minipools to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174022.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">retrieve the positive donations in the second round.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174050.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">That spells that we needed a highest throughput system</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174077.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because four percent causes a lot of resolution of PCR,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174104.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">several thousand PCRs needed to resolve a single</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174132.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation.  And the program we designed was that we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:174258pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:174258pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:174258pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:174257.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">221</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:174976.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174991.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:174991.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:174991.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174294.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">intercept Parvovirus minipools at the level of 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:528.25pt;top:174293.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">6</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174322.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">genome equivalent from January 1, 1999, deconstruction</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174349.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">them with a newly design specifically for the purpose</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174376.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resolution PCR which is qualitative and has a limited</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174404.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitivity and we remove the implicated donations.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:174431.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">These are the combined results.  Around the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174458.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">beginning of this year we started a program, intercepted</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174486.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the 10 genome equivalence per milliliter in minipools</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.45pt;top:174485.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">6</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174513.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and removed individual donations.  As you can see, there</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174541.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was all this plasma around that gave rise to spikes like</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174568.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this.  But from May of this year, we now have a complete</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174595.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">program to remove all donations that are contained in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174623.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">such pools and as you can see, we can now nicely reduce</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174650.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">all of our production pools below the level of 10,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:521.05pt;top:174649.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174677.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">actually 10 is the common level.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:223.20pt;top:174676.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">3</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:174705.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">One more, please.  We can achieve a six log</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174732.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reduction of our manufacturing pools versus the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174759.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">nontested material.  We also asked the question whether</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174787.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the antibodies are influenced, the antibody level and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174814.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this line should illustrate to you that the antiviral</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174842.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">B19 antibody content is not affected by positivity</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174869.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">regardless of level or negativity.  So if we clean out</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174896.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the high load parvo donations, we do not influence the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:174924.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antibody level of our production pools.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:175050pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:175050pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:175050pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:175049.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">222</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:175768.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175783.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:175783.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:175783.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:175086.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So in conclusion, I think we can achieve a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175114.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">six log reduction of Parvovirus by using a PCR in an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175141.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">appropriate manner.  We can now give the issue further</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175168.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to the people who develop virus inactivation removal</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175196.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">steps because they have now a much better point to start</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175223.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with because we are only introducing up to 10 genome</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:476.65pt;top:175222.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175250.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">equivalence instead of 10 or 10.  And finally, I think</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:320.15pt;top:175249.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">8</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:366.70pt;top:175249.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">9</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175278.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">PCR shows to be one step to reduce parvo related risk</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175305.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">factors.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:175333.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you for your attention.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:175360.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:175387.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. LYNCH:  Thank you, Gerald.  The last</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175415.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">speaker in this session is Dr. Andrew Conrad from NGI.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:175442.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. CONRAD:  Thanks.  What I'm going to do</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175469.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is sort of change gears a little bit and do parvo a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175497.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">different way.  Instead of looking at what happened in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175524.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools, we recently decided to go look what happens in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175551.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donors because the question was how big a deal is a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175579.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">parvo positive donor?  How long do they last and what do</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175606.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we do?  So we began sort of a prospective study looking</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175634.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">at following donors from a parvo positive.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:175661.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">If I can have the first slide?  All right,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175688.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">so basically what we're going to do is use the same</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175716.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">algorithms that you've seen described earlier to take</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:175842pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:175842pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:175842pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:175841.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">223</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:176560.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176575.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:176575.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:176575.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175878.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">master pools, test them for parvo and then resolve them</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175906.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">out to the individual donor.  What we would do is go</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175933.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">take that donor and go back and look into our archives</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175960.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because we see every sample that's ever been tested at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:175988.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NGI and we went back and looked backwards and forwards</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176015.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to see if we could look at the parvo history of a donor.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:176042.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">What we wanted to do then is determine (1) parvo</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176070.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antibodies, how those antibodies affected viremia and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176097.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(2) look at the DNA levels over time.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:176125.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So prospectively so far we've been able to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176152.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">identify these in the last couple of days that we've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176179.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">been doing this, these seven donors.  What we have is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176207.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donor 1 just started, but donor 2, the blue indicates he</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176234.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was negative.  The red indicates other time periods that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176261.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">he was PCR positive and this is over weeks.  And so you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176289.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">can see that this guy is donating rather frequently and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176316.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">if he's one of those big time viremia guys, he's nuking</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176343.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">an awful lot of pools.  So these are the donation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176371.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">frequencies.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:176398.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">What we did was we took those original</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176426.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools and by quantitating those pools that we could</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176453.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">model what we suspected a parvo infection to look like</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176480.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and what we modeled was that there would be a rapid</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176508.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">increase, a rapid decrease and then a slow and steady</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:176634pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:176634pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:176634pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:176633.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">224</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:177352.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177367.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:177367.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:177367.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176670.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">decline.  The curve of that decline we've postulated</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176698.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">would take a long period of time.  We originally thought</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176725.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">three months, six months and now it's looking longer.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:176752.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Once we got these initial pieces of data we could</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176780.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">actually go to the original donors and we quantitated</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176807.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that donor that you just saw.  It was negative for two</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176834.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">different donations.  Within six days or seven days,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176862.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">actually, he jumped to a level above 50 million where</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176889.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our quantitative assay can't read.  Four days later, he</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176917.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was back down to that 50 million level.  Then we had a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176944.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">big lapse of a couple of weeks and he had dropped 10,000</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176971.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">where he has stayed now for months.  So what we think is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:176999.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">going to happen, is the interesting thing about the way</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177026.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is parvo is going to be treated in an individual donor.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:177053.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now we've looked at these profiles, we just didn't have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177081.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the original nonviremic one and most of the other donors</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177108.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that we encountered that were nonviremic already are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177135.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">really in this medium level and it's only probably 1 in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177163.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">5 or 1 in 6 that you catch in the little peak.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:177190.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So what we really do think is that the most</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177218.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">effective method is to just clip the head off the beast</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177245.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because if you start trying to defer donors who have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177272.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">parvo infections that may not work because they're going</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177300.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to be long term positives.  So you have to be careful in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:178159.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:178159.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177462.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">trying to use them in resolution algorithms because if</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177490.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you get rid of everyone with low level parvo, you may</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177517.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">exclude tremendous numbers of donors and you might keep</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177599.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">originally thought we could do, so that's it.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:177626.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:177654.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. LYNCH:  Thank you, Dr. Conrad.  We have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177681.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a discussion period now.  We are running a little bit</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177709.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">late, but I think we have about 15 minutes.  If there</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177736.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are any issues from the floor, we could take those.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:177763.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">While we're waiting for questions, I'll --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177791.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">John?  Please identify yourself when you ask a question.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:177818.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. SALDANHA:  John Saldanha from NIBSC.  I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177845.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was very interested in the data that were presented</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177873.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because it seems like people were moving towards</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177900.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">removing pools that have greater than 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:489.60pt;top:177900.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">genome</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177927.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">equivalence and all I'd like to say is we should try and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177955.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">harmonize what we're going to do because I think in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:177982.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Europe the Biotech Working Party in a couple of months</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178010.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is going to look at the whole issue of B19, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178037.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">introduction.  And I was interested, Dr. Lynch, in your</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178064.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">presentation on your thoughts on the B19 and maybe we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178951.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:178951.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:178951.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178254.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">introduction of testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:178282.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. LYNCH:  I think that's always a good</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178309.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">idea and we'd be happy to get the thoughts of the CPMB</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178336.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on any of these issues.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:178364.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. ALLAIN.  J-P Allain, University of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178391.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Cambridge, England.  I have a question for Dr. Weimer.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.40pt;top:178418.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">You showed that you had a sort of cut off at 10 geno</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:492.00pt;top:178417.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">7</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178446.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">per mL.  I was wondering how you devised that particular</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178473.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cut off.  Is it because you have any kind of data about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178501.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the infectious dose of Parvovirus or is it because when</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178528.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you have a low virus load you count on the antibody</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178555.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">present in the product to neutralize it or how did you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178583.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">come up with this particular figure?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:178610.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. WEIMER:  It was for very practical</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178637.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reason.  This is the concentration at which gives us</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178665.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">prevalence of 1 in 18,000 and that's the number that we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178692.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">can handle in our pooling system.  If we go to lower</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178719.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">figures, we will get too much positives and this needs</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178747.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">too much work for resolution.  And the higher the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178774.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitivities, the more you get into cross contamination</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178802.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">problems and I think for B19, the opposite is true then</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178829.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we heard before.  The more you go into automation, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:178856.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">more you run into problems with cross contaminations due</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179743.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:179743.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:179743.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:179046.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. ALLAIN:  But I must say that is not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179074.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">quite satisfactory.  You would like to know what's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179101.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">infectious and what's not to direct what kind of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179128.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">screening and how you can really set it up from a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179156.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">clinical standpoint.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:179183.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. WEIMER:  Our main focus was to reduce</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179210.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the virus loads into pools in the final product and this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179238.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is the first step towards this goal.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:179265.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">MR. BABLAK:  Jason Bablak with IPPIA.  I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179293.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have a question for Dr. Lynch.  In your presentation to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179320.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">begin this session you showed a cut off level of 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179347.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that the FDA was thinking about using and in some of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179375.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">presentations by the companies they were somewhat higher</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179402.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and it showed that there was probably no Parvovirus in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179429.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the resulting pools or resulting products.  I was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179457.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">wondering if you could explain how the FDA came up with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179484.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that number and if that might be a little conservative</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179511.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">based on some of the manufacturing data we just saw.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:179539.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. LYNCH:  No, I think it's intentionally</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179566.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">conservative.  Let's be clear that we're talking about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179594.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturing pools when we're applying any sort of a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179621.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">numeric standard.  You might achieve that by a higher</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179648.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">level of acceptability in the minipools because</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179676.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">presumably there's a Poisson distribution in the titers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:180520.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180535.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:180535.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:180535.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179838.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of viremia in all of the minipools and you're diluting</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179866.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">out to some extent the ones that may be higher than your</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179893.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturing pools, so for instance, Dr. Weimer's data</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179920.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and also Dr. Zerlauth's data showed that testing with a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179948.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">relatively low sensitivity test, capping the minipools</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:179975.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">at a higher level actually resulted in manufacturing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180002.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools with a substantially lower titer than that.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:180030.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Now with regard to the product, that of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180057.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">course is what everybody is interested in, but the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180085.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma is only the starting point.  As you know, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180112.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">impact of this testing on any given product will depend</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180139.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on the process by which it's manufactured.  I would</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180167.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">imagine that for a product that's subjected to very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180194.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">limited purification, let's say the solvent detergent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180221.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma, there's not going to be much removal of B19 from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180249.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the starting pool.  On the other hand, there's some very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180276.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">highly purified preparations out there where there may</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180303.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be a greater capacity for clearing residual virus in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180331.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:180358.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I don't have a firm proposal for that.  One</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180386.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">possibility would be to address any claims to final</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180413.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">product safety on a case by case basis, but that's an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180440.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">issue that we need to visit in the future.  The 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:528.25pt;top:180439.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180468.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">number is partially from a desire to seek the lowest</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:181312.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181327.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:181327.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:181327.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180630.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reasonably achievable number.  What we expected to see</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180658.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as a prevalence of minipools or manufacturing pools</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180685.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">above that level and how much plasma would have to be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180712.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">rejected to achieve that level, and finally, sort of a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180740.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Gestalt from the SD plasma experience that suggested</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180767.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that plasma at that level of B19 contamination may not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180794.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be infectious, i.e., there must be low enough levels of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180822.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">virus to be neutralized by whatever antibodies exist in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180849.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the plasma and maybe that will influence the segregation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180877.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">or partitioning of the virus during manufacturing.  So</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180904.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that's basically the thinking that went into the number.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:180931.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'd actually like to ask either or both</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180959.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">doctors Weimer or Zerlauth what a testing at 10 for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:472.55pt;top:180957.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:180986.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">targeting 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:232.80pt;top:180985.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:246.95pt;top:180986.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in the manufacturing pools implies for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181013.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">practical implementation of this test.  It seems like in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181041.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one context it was suggested that it was readily</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181068.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">achievable and in the other that there might be problems</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181095.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in having to deconstruct too many pools.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:181123.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. WEIMER:  I think first of all we need</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181150.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to come to a common standard that we can talk in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181178.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">same language of genome equivalence.  I think this is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181205.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">still like in the early days of HCV testing and I don't</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181232.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">know how all our numbers compare at the lower end.  I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181260.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">think his 10 and 10 somehow complicated just reusing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:231.35pt;top:181258.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:182104.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182119.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:182119.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:182119.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181422.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the same standard.  But I don't know how all other</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181450.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">numbers to compare to them.  So I would be a little bit</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181477.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cautious in that respect.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:181504.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. ZERLAUTH:  With respect to the numbers,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181532.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we are using the same standard, the NIBSC standard, so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181559.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I think they are quite comparative to these numbers.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:181586.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">With respect to feasibility, that certainly</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181614.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">-- if you really introduced into the 10, you need to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:431.50pt;top:181613.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181641.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resolve high number of pools and that causes a lot of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181669.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">extra work.  That eats up to ten percent of our current</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181696.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">capacity, so that's not nothing.  We have to develop a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181723.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fully automated system.  That's all done by robots.  We</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181751.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">don't touch those samples any more and therefore we can</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181778.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">do it, but it's not an easy task and I think we have to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181805.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">go different ways as before, but it can be done and that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181833.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">system actually it's nothing special in it, it can be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181860.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">bought off the shelf and adding a few issues or items</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181887.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and then you can use it.  So actually I think we will</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181915.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">come to the same conclusion.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:181942.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And once John Saldanha comes forward with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181970.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">his parvo WH approach, then we certainly can compare the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:181997.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">numbers exactly.  So overall, it seems to be feasible,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182024.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">but it is not an easy task.  It's a lot of extra PCR to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182052.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be done.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:182178pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:182178pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:182178pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:182177.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">231</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:182896.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182911.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:182911.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:182911.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:182214.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. CONRAD:  I just want to say one thing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:182242.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">One of the tricks that I don't think people are fully</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182269.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">using is that if you identify parvo positive donors,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182296.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">exclude them temporarily from the pools or shuffle them</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182324.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because the guy is high and then he comes low, so there</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182351.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">may be ways to do with wisdom instead of just brute</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182378.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">force of the PCRing the hell out of everything.  I can't</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182406.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">believe I'm saying that, but there may be ways with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182433.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">temporary donor exclusions that may allow us to lower</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182461.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">those viral burdens in any manufacturing pool without</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182488.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">having to test every sample.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:182515.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. ZERLAUTH:  But you don't have to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182543.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">exclude the donor.  You just can't sort of intercept the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182570.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation.  If you are fast enough, you can avoid the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182597.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">next donation.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:182625.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. CONRAD:  Well, the next three</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182652.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations.  When you learn the temporal distribution of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182679.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the parvo, there may be ways at which to say okay, this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182707.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">guy is positive, let's wait whatever amount of time</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182734.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">before you start reintroducing his plasma or you know,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182762.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">multiple units of his plasma and that way we can</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182789.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">effectively without having to screen consistently and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182816.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resolve the guys down at the 10, limit a few of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:375.85pt;top:182815.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:182844.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">peaky guys and that will keep the viral titers below</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:183688.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183703.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:183703.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:183703.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183006.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:158.40pt;top:183005.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:162.95pt;top:183006.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:183034.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I think the people resolve that, the donors</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183061.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resolve that and there are long term cases I think</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183088.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">around 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:210.50pt;top:183087.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:224.15pt;top:183088.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">copies at the individual level.  So pools</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183116.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">will automatically be diluted down more.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:183143.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. ZERLAUTH:  You're right, this is one</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183170.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">aspect, but that's a bit tricky logistically to keep</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183198.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">them intact.  It's an obvious approach, but that's a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183225.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">little bit difficult to implement it.  And one other</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183253.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">aspect, I think, is very important, what we think is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183280.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">crucial.  We have such a three dimensional pooling</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183307.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">system.  We are just getting, taking out all of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183335.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cross points, we just don't verify that.  We just take</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183362.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">them out in the routine screening and to achieve these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183389.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">numbers that we have shown you which includes about one</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183417.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">million donations, we have to destroy 203 donations</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183444.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">only, so that's very cost effective.  We must not test</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183471.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">all of them.  We'll just take them out and destroy them.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.10pt;top:183499.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So that eases the workload.  Otherwise, you're running</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183526.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">into verification of loops forever.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:183554.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. YU:  I would like -- sorry, go ahead.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:183581.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. LISS:  Alan Liss, Cention.  Just while</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183608.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we're looking at the strategy of developing a number, I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183636.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">think it's important from the plasma side to remember</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:184480.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184495.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:184495.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:184495.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183798.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what the target of that number is.  If we're looking at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183826.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a pool and we're throwing out, even if the number is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183853.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one, if we're throwing out a pool, 5,000, 10,000, 200,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183880.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">versus a number where we throw out a donation, we have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183908.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a strategically different way to look at it.  We don't,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183935.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I think, want to create a situation where we are --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183962.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">while trying to pick a reasonable number at a pool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:183990.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">level, we start putting us into a source limitation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184017.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">versus perhaps looking at a strategy where we identify</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184045.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a pool and a donation where we improve safety by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184072.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">throwing out the donation while still maintaining the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184099.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">proper supply.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:184127.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. YU:  Well, Dr. Zerlauth, could you just</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184154.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">comment on how many samples, how many donations that you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184181.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have to, you know, discard, based on this four log</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184209.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">genome equivalent for a cut off.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:184236.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. ZERLAUTH:  After the full</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184263.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementation of the three dimension pooling and its</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184291.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resolution, from May this year, up to now we had</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184318.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">screened approximately one million donations and it took</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184346.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">us 203 or so, something like this, donations that we had</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184373.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to destroy, not more than that.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:184400.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. YU:  So in terms of percentage?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:184428.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. LYNCH:  It's about 1 in 5,000.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:185272.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185287.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:185287.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:185287.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:184590.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. WEIMER:  May I just comment on that?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184618.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">This is from a European perspective.  If we look at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184645.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">BPAC recommendation, we shouldn't identify donors, so we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184672.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">should stop at minipools of some science which may --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184700.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what is the smallest minipool?   The smallest minipool?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.90pt;top:184727.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So you'll take the 64 times your 200 positive donors</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184754.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and this is the amount of plasma units you would have to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184782.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discard under that BPAC recommendation.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:184809.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. LYNCH:  Yes, I think that's a point of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184837.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">clarification that needs to be made.  The BPAC did agree</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184864.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with our suggestion that there was no need to notify the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184891.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donor of a test result.  There's no medical or public</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184919.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">health reason to do so.  However, that did not preclude</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184946.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one from tracing a positive result back to an individual</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:184973.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation.  We are not requiring that or suggesting that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185001.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">it's necessary to identify single units in a fully</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185028.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">licensed, implemented nucleic acid test for B19.  If the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185055.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturer chooses to throw away more than one unit,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185083.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resolve it to let's say a subpool of 10 or 20 or 50 or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185110.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">wherever the economies lie, they may do so.  However, as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185138.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a point of method validation, we think an important</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185165.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">component would be to verify that a positive result is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185192.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a true positive and that's best done by identifying an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185220.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individual unit.  Once the validation phase is done that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186079.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:186079.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:186079.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185382.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">decision then reverts to the manufacturer.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:185410.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Yes sir?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:185437.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. CHIEN:  David Chien from Chiron.  Dr.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185464.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Lynch has suggested a more conservative view, take a 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:528.50pt;top:185463.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">4</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185492.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">genome equivalent test cut off, but the manufacturers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185519.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">right now suggest that 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:346.30pt;top:185518.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">6</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:363.85pt;top:185519.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">or 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:405.60pt;top:185518.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">7</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:420.50pt;top:185519.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">becomes from a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185546.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">practical point of view.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:185574.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I wonder, you think that level, like the 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:528.70pt;top:185573.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">6</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185601.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">or 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:185.50pt;top:185600.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">7</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:203.05pt;top:185601.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">may not have transmitted disease, it's an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185629.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assumption that a recipient -- would be immuno competent</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185656.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a patient or immuno suppress the patient.  So if it's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185683.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">going to the immuno suppressed patient, maybe we should</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185711.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be taking a more conservative view.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:185738.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. LYNCH:  Well, if we were talking about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185765.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">infusing the plasma, I would fully agree with that.  I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185793.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">think we're several steps removed from what the patient</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185820.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sees in terms of the plasma derivatives, but your point</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185847.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is well taken.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:185875.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. YU:  Just one point, Dr. Chien from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185902.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Chiron.  I think you mentioned the cut off they</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185930.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mentioned from Dr. Thomas Weimer is 10.  That's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:451.90pt;top:185928.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">7</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185957.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">minipool level and then Dr. Zerlauth is 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:470.65pt;top:185956.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">6</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:486.00pt;top:185957.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:185984.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">minipool level, but what we are talking about is the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186012.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">production pool with a cut off 10 genome equivalent per</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186871.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:186871.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:186871.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186174.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mL, it's lower than that.  So they are different.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:186202.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. ZERLAUTH:  And if I may add, this is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186229.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">just what we go into production, but then there are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186256.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">steps that might remove and inactivate the virus, also</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186284.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">not very effective, but still there, so that's a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186311.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">different situation.  Thomas Weimer has nicely shown</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186338.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">their final product, at least for ATIII, is nonreactive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186366.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for the virus and that's the actual target.  And I don't</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186393.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have the data with me, but I can tell you that our anti</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186421.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">D have been produced from such low level pools are also</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186448.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">negative.  So regardless of what starting level, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186475.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">target final goal is to have negative or nonreactive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186503.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">products and I think Dr. Weimer with this limit and with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186530.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our limit have shown that we can achieve that.  That</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186557.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">certainly is worth a try.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:186585.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. LYNCH:  I'm getting the hook from Dr.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186612.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Tabor.  I would just like to close the session by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186639.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reminding you that the National Heart Lung and Blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186667.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Institute is sponsoring a workshop on Thursday the 16th</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186694.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on Parvovirus B19 transfusion medicine.  I don't know</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186722.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that he's still here, but I saw George Nemo earlier,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186749.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">there he is, and who can provide anyone interested in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186776.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">further information.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:186804.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you very much.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:187648.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187663.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:187663.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:187663.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:186966.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  We'll now have a 20 minute</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:186994.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">break and we have one more session.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:187021.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Off the record.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:187048.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  We are about to begin the next</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187076.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">session.  The afternoon session consists of two parts,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187103.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">first a series of talks concerning the evolution of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187130.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">single unit testing, followed by a panel discussion.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:187158.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Before we begin, there's an urgent phone</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187185.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">call for Rick Chattelain.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:187213.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The first speaker this afternoon will be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187240.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Sheryl McDonough.  Dr. Sheryl McDonough from Gen-Probe,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187267.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">speaking on the evolution of single unit testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:187295.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. McDONOUGH:  Good afternoon.  I'd like</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187322.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to thank the organizers of the meeting for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187349.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">opportunity to speak to you today.  We can go on to the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187377.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">next slide.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:187404.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'd like to discuss some assay performance</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187431.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">data that we've seen testing single samples, talk a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187459.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">little bit about the advantages of single donation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187486.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing, address some of the concerns that we're hearing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187514.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about implementation of single donation testing and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187541.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">progress on implementation.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:187568.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  I thought before I'd start</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187596.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that we would reiterate what the TMA, HIV, HCV,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:187722pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:187722pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:187722pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:187721.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">238</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:188440.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188455.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:188455.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:188455.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187758.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Multiplex assay format looks like.  As was mentioned in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187786.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the morning session, we have fully automated sample</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187813.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pipetting and pipetting of the target capture reagent.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:187840.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Then we have sample processing steps which terminate in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187868.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">wash steps which are performed on a target capture</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187895.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">system shown in the middle of the slide.  We have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187922.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reagent additions and incubations associated with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187950.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">amplification and detection steps and then the samples</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:187977.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are put into the luminometer for a fully automated read</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188005.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and the report is generated.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:188032.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  Regarding assay performance on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188059.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">single donations or undiluted samples, you heard the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188087.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">analytical sensitivity discussed this morning by Dr.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188114.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Giachetti and here I'm just reiterating what she</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188141.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">presented about the clinical sensitivity that we've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188169.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">observed in seroconversion panels, that is, testing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188196.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">undiluted samples in HIV-1 seroconversion panels.  We</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188223.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">see a reduction in the window period versus antibody by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188251.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">16.3 days and this is out of a 22 day detection window</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188278.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and versus antigen by 7.3 days.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:431.30pt;top:188278.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">With HCV, we see</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188306.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a reduction in the detection window by 32.8 days.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:188333.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  In terms of specificity using</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188360.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individual normal donor specimens, we've tested over</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188388.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">4,000 samples using five different lots of reagents and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:188514pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:188514pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:188514pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:188513.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">239</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:189232.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189247.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:189247.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:189247.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188550.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the initial reactive rate is 0.79 percent.  As was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188578.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mentioned, if you go back and retest those samples in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188605.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">duplicate, the repeat reactive rate is zero percent.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188632.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The other thing that we can ask in these samples is to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188660.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">look at the internal control signal.  In each tube,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188687.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you'll see if the assay was performed correctly, and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188714.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">also if the sample can support amplification.  We did</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188742.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">see an initial internal control failure rate of 0.31</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188769.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent, but when these were tested in a single point we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188797.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">saw no repetitive internal control failures indicating</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188824.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that there's a low level of specimens which cannot</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188851.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">support amplification.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:188879.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  This is an example of a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188906.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reproducibility study that we've done with the TMA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188933.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assay.  We've looked at in this case, three operators,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188961.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">three different sites, two reagent lots, two instruments</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:188988.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and over a period of six days.  When we look at lot to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189015.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">lot, variability, site to site, operator day to day,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189043.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">these are -- I should mention these are plotted as the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189070.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent CV of the signal to cut off at the sensitivity</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189098.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">limit for the assay which is 100 copies per mL for HIV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189125.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and 100 copies per mL for HCV.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:189152.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">If you look at the percent CVs, you see</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189180.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">they're very low, lot to lot, site to site, operator to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:190024.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190039.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:190039.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:190039.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189342.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">operator, day to day, between run, percent CVs or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189370.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">between 11 and 16 percent and within run, about 12</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189397.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent for both analytes.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:189424.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  So the assay performance that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189452.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we have observed indicates that this test would be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189479.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">adequate to pursue in a single donation testing format.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:189506.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">What are the advantages of going to single donation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189534.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing?  I think we've already discussed the fact that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189561.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">there's an inherent improvement in sensitivity,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189589.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">basically because you're adding more of the specimen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189616.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">volume to the reaction.  And the way that would be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189643.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">observed clinically would be an earlier detection of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189671.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">virus.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:189698.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Another advantage is that the turnaround</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189725.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">time becomes similar to current tests.  Samples can be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189753.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">brought in, tested and the negatives released</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189780.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">immediately.  It takes at least another shift to perform</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189807.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the pooling step prior to testing and the retest</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189835.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">algorithm can become more straight forward when you're</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189862.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing a single unit as opposed to deconvoluted pool.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.85pt;top:189890.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And this one is pretty obvious, you don't need to do</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189917.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the pooling, so you eliminate the need for that space</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189944.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and equipment and you eliminate some potential sources</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:189972.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of error.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:190098pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:190098pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:190098pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:190097.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">241</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:190816.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190831.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:190831.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:190831.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:190134.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  Here's some data looking at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190162.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitivity that we've seen in seroconversion panels</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190189.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing samples, undiluted and diluted 1 to 16.  So we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190216.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have seven different HIV seroconversion panels in which</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190244.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">if you look at the sample, the days detection,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190271.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">undiluted, versus a 1 to 16 dilution, you see anywhere</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190298.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from two to five days earlier detection and in one panel</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190326.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a 14 day earlier detection with undiluted samples.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:190353.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We've also identified two HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190381.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion panels in which undiluted specimens were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190408.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detected six or three days prior to the test in the 1 to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190435.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">16 format.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:190463.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  This is just one way to look</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190490.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">at Alpha Therapeutics' data.  The HCV seroconversion</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190517.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">panels that they tested and this is looking at days</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190545.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">between the first positive PCR result and days -- and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190572.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the day when the sample became -- had a copy level of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190599.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">greater than 1200 copies per mL.  And you can see most</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190627.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of the specimens -- many of the specimens show a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190654.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">difference of five to ten days and some of them a little</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190682.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">lower and even one showed a 30-day difference between</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190709.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the positivity at the first undiluted or the first</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190736.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sample versus 1200 copy per mL.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:190764.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  This is an HCV seroconversion</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:190890pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:190890pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:190890pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:190889.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">242</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:191608.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191623.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:191623.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:191623.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190926.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">event that we detected during our IND testing with the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190954.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Multiplex assay.  This individual, if you look at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:190981.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">top, was seronegative on Day 1 and did not seroconvert</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191008.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">until Day 88, during follow up testing.  The sample was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191036.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tested at each follow up point, Day 9, 14, 21, 27 and 88</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191063.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and in each case was positive when tested undiluted in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191090.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the Multiplex assay, actually in the discriminatory</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191118.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">assay.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:191145.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">When those samples were retested in a 1 to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191173.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">16 dilution, the first two samples were positive, but</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191200.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the next sample is negative, the Day 14 was negative.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:191227.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Day 21 was positive again.  Day 27 and Day 88 were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191255.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">negative at a 1 to 16 dilution, implying very low copy</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191282.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">levels in some of these samples.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:191309.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The samples were also analyzed by a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191337.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">quantitative PCR test and helps clarify what we were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191364.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seeing in this particular conversion event.  The yellow</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191391.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">dots represent the copies per mL of HCV in these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191419.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">different follow up samples.  First of all, the first</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191446.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sample we found was almost 10 copies per mL, so very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:357.60pt;top:191445.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">6</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191474.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">strong positive.  The next sample, about a week later,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191501.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">it had dropped in titer over a log.  And by the 14th day</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191528.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was undetectable in the assay, implying very low copy</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:191682pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:191682pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:191682pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:191681.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">243</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:192400.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192415.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:192415.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:192415.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:191718.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Seven days later the copies again were up</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191746.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">around 10</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:213.10pt;top:191744.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 7.44pt">5</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:229.40pt;top:191746.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">copies per mL, dropping to undetectable</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191773.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">again, just a few days later and were up around the 400</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191800.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">copy per mL range at Day 88.  This type of fluctuation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191828.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in HCV R and A titer was not known about a year ago and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191855.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I think we're just starting to hear that this is not an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191882.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">uncommon event.  We've certainly heard that this has</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191910.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">happened in other cases, in other seroconversion panels.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:191937.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The red shows the signal to cut off for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:191965.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">undiluted TMA samples.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:191992.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  This is a very early study</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192019.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that we've done with just a small number of IVDUs.  This</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192047.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">population, 30 different samples were examined and we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192074.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">found that most of these samples were reactive with HIV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192101.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">or HCV or both.  Seventy-three percent were anti-HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192129.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive.  Only 20 percent of the samples were not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192156.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive for anti-HIV or HCV.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:192183.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  We looked at five of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192211.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">samples that were anti-HCV negative and we found by TMA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192238.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">they were RNA positive.  When these samples were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192266.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">retested in 1 to 16 dilution they were all negative.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192293.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Likewise, we found one hemodialysis patient that was HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192320.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">negative and TMA RNA positive, but negative again at a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192348.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">1 to 16 dilution.  So these are very early results,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:193192.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193207.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:193207.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:193207.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192510.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">small sample size, but it does look like in this high</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192538.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">risk population you can find individuals pre-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192565.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion with very low copy levels of RNA.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:192592.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  What are some of the concerns</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192620.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for implementing single donation testing?  Of course,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192647.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">some of the concerns with the pool testing now are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192674.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">actually alleviated by going to single donation testing,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192702.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">so we don't need to talk about turnaround time, but what</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192729.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you really end up with is the need to perform a great</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192757.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and large number of tests at each site and if you're</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192784.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">performing testing right now you have to ask what's the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192811.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">need for increased space, what's the need for increased</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192839.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">people, how do I keep them all trained and what reagents</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192866.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and instruments will be available if I'm going to go</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192893.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from a pool of 16 to now testing individuals, is that a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192921.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">16 fold increase in lab space and people, etcetera.  And</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192948.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what we've done is taken this as an opportunity to look</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:192975.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">at optimizing the instrument usage and personnel work</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193003.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">flow to improve the throughput.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:193030.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  The way that the testing has</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193058.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">been done through most of the IND for the TMA assay is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193085.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that if individual operator, using one TMA instrument</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193112.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">system will run a rack of 100 tubes and that takes about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193140.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">five and a half hours to complete.  We've shown that an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:193984.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193999.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:193999.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:193999.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193302.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">operator can just in a half hour with extra time</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193330.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">actually do testing on 200 tubes, so what we're calling</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193357.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">format one is one operator, one TMA instrument system,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193384.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">200 tubes in six hours.  That's fine for some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193412.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">laboratories, but it's certainly not adequate for single</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193439.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation testing at other sites.  And so we're now</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193466.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">looking at a second configuration in which we add a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193494.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">second instrument system to the laboratory.  We add</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193521.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">personnel that start in staggered shifts and for this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193549.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">particular format it would be three technicians with an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193576.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">8-hour shift each and the result is a 1,000 tubes per</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193603.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">10.5 hours.  So we've certainly shown an increase in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193631.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">through put without the equivalent increase in space and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193658.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">personnel.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:193685.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">By staggering the three shifts throughout</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193713.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the day, a laboratory can now get 3,000 tests per day</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193740.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with two instrument systems.  And I need to point out</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193767.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that with the Multiplex test that's actually 6,000</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193795.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">results because you get both an HIV and an HCV result.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:193822.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  This is a nonartist rendition</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193850.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of the throughput schedule and this is just hours</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193877.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">throughout the day starting with Hour Zero.  Each of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193904.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">columns represents a set of 100 tubes and the different</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:193932.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">colors represent the different operators throughout the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:194058pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:194058pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:194058pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:194057.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">246</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:194776.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194791.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:194791.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:194791.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194094.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">shift.  So in this schematic, we're showing the first</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194122.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">operator comes in and does the TECAN set up and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194149.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pipepetting steps and passes those first 200 tubes off</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194176.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to the second operator.  And then they move on and do</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194204.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the TECAN steps for the second 200 tubes, pass them on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194231.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to the fifth and sixth 100 tubes and they have time for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194258.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">lunch and they go out and finish until they've done ten</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194286.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">racks of tubes.  Likewise, the second operator will</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194313.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">perform the different steps of the target capture, move</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194341.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on, have time for lunch and complete.  So each operator</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194368.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">works an 8-hour shift.  You get 1,000 results in 10.5</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194395.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hours.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:194423.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  Another question that we've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194450.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">been asked is reagent availability for single donation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194477.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing.  Gen-Probe has completed a new manufacturing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194505.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">CBER level manufacturing facility that's 93,000 square</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194532.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">feet.  It has the capability of at least 80 million</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194559.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tests a year and the manufacturing scale is appropriate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194587.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for either single or pool testing.  We do have a backup</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194614.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturing facility.  It's about 12 miles away with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194642.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about 50 percent capacity and we do maintain safety</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194669.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">stocks of critical, raw materials and intermediates and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194696.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">final product.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:194724.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  So just to conclude, I hope</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:194850pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:194850pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:194850pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:194849.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">247</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:195568.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195583.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:195583.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:195583.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194886.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I've shown you that the assay performance is appropriate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194914.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for single donation testing in terms of specificity and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194941.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitivity.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:194968.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  Some of our initial studies</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:194996.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">confirm that you see improved sensitivity with a single</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195023.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation test compared to a diluted format and that's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195050.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for both HIV-1 and HCV.  Some of the issues associated</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195078.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with pool plasma testing actually go away by going to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195105.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">single donation testing, including the turnaround time,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195133.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">release of labile components.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:195160.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  By adding equipment and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195187.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">personnel scheduling appropriately, we can get a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195215.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">throughput of 3,000 tests per day per laboratory and so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195242.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our work to address implementation of single donation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195269.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing will continue in the future.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:195297.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:195324.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:195351.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Thank you.  That was a good</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195379.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">introduction to something very new.  The next speaker</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195406.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">would be James Gallarda, Dr. James Gallarda from Roche.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:195434.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. GALLARDA:  Okay, I started out the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195461.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">title of my talk without a question mark at the end, but</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195488.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one of my colleagues pointed out that there's a great</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:196360.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196375.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:196375.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:196375.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195678.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing so I thought that would be appropriate.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:195706.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  What I'd like to do is talk</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195733.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about our view of moving to single unit testing from an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195760.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in-pool testing from two perspectives.  One is the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195788.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">feedback that we're getting from our customers on the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195815.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">issues we're doing minipool testing as it stands right</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195842.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">now with our semi-automated system.  The second is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195870.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">really to look at what is Roche's role in this, where do</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195897.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we see ourselves in the future on this.  So our view is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195925.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that there are three prerequisites required to move</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195952.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">toward single unit testing.  The first is that there be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:195979.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a sufficient incremental gain in blood safety by going</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196007.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to single unit testing over minipool NAT testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:196034.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Secondly, the manufacturer has to provide</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196061.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">high throughput automation, that the system have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196089.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">operational robustness and that there be dependable</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196116.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:196143.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And then thirdly, the manufacturer must</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196171.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have sufficient business potential to warrant the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196198.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">development of these systems, so I'd like to go into</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196226.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">each of these three separately.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:196253.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  Well, with regards to the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196280.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">incremental gain in blood safety over pooled NAT, there</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196308.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are pros and cons.  On the pro side, you have high</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:197152.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197167.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:197167.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:197167.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196470.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitivity with undiluted samples and that potentially</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196498.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">could increase the safety by further closing the window.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.10pt;top:196525.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Furthermore, there may be -- this may be indicated for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196552.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">low titer viruses that are especially early in pre-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196580.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion.  So on the pro side I think there is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196607.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">evidence that if you go to single unit testing, there</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196634.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">might be some incremental gain there.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:196662.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">On the con side, this is going to be pretty</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196689.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">costly.  It is expected that the yield would be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196717.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">extremely low and the cost will be extremely high to go</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196744.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to single unit testing.  And from the presentations</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196771.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">today for all three viruses, for HCV, for HIV and for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196799.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HBV, minipool testing has been demonstrated to interdict</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196826.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">infectious units that would have escaped by serological</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196853.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing alone.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:196881.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So the conclusion we can say right now,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196908.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">it's to be determined.  The pool NAT is increasing the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196935.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood safety.  We've interdicted infectious units and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196963.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">single unit NAT has yet to prove incremental gain in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:196990.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood safety and I think over the next year or so there</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197018.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">will be some studies that can more clearly identify the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197045.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contribution that single unit testing can have.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:197072.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  With regards to the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197100.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturers providing high throughput automation and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:197944.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197959.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:197959.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:197959.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197262.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">operational robustness, Roche agrees with the ABC's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197290.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">position on this and that is -- frankly, when we talk to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197317.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our sites, they don't want to do a semi-automated slash</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197344.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manual system for single unit testing.  It's been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197372.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">traumatic enough getting to where we are, so we think</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197399.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that high volume automation is required and we have been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197426.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">looking at high volume automation.  In fact, at ABB we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197454.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">had one system that we placed into Japan and that has</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197481.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">automated sample preparation instrumentation as well as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197509.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a three virus Multiplex capability using homogeneous</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197536.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">PCRs, the detection comes from.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:197563.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I think on our side, our PCR products,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197591.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we've been in the PCR business for a long time and so</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197618.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">far we feel quite good about the performance of these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197645.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">products, the low fail run rates and the low false</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197673.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive rates and in the minipool NAT clinical trials,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197700.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I think I would agree, someone said that the real</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197727.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">success here is that we went to minipool testing because</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197755.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">there was a need and this need was met by minipool NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197782.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:197810.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  And from our perspective, you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197837.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">know, having this experience now behind us is that the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197864.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">system that we've developed has accommodated 13 sites in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:197892.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the U.S. and five sites in Canada and we've tested over</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:198018pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:198018pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:198018pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:198017.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">251</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:198736.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198751.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:198751.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:198751.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198054.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">two million samples at these sites in both large and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198082.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">small blood banks and so the bottom line, the feedback</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198109.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that we get from these sites is that okay, we've got</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198136.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this working and I think the real heros in this are the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198164.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">technicians who are doing this because there was a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198191.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">significant learning curve to get to where we are today.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:198218.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And the fact is from the data that was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198246.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">presented today is that we have successfully interdicted</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198273.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">numerous window cases with this PCR product and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198301.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">therefore this is the reason we're doing this is to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198328.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">prevent transfusion associated with infection.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:198355.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  With regards to the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198383.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturer providing dependable manufacturing, we've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198410.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">had over 2,000 of the COBAS Amplicor and analyzers now</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198437.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">placed in the field and in our system I'd say that that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198465.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is an instrument that illustrates the dependability of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198492.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the instrument side of going forward with any kind of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198519.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">further automation.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:198547.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And on the kit reagent side, we just kind</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198574.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of passed a milestone.  We're now making over 800,000</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198602.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">kits, PCR kits per year.  So the conclusion here that I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198629.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">want to leave you with in this section is that Roche has</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198656.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the experience to move forward to single unit testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:198684.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Okay, next slide.  But there's the dark</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:198810pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:198810pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:198810pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:198809.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">252</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:199528.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199543.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:199543.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:199543.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198846.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">side to all of this and that is there has to be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198874.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sufficient business potential to warrant the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198901.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">development.  So the bullet points are, due to the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198928.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">uncertainty of the ABC Patent situation, Roche will not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198956.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">further invest in automation.  Therefore, we have no</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:198983.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plans to develop products for single unit testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:199010.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Secondly, Chiron has elected not to license</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199038.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HCV NAT for blood screening to any company other than</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199065.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the Chiron Gen-Probe alliance.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:199093.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Having said that I want to assure our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199120.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">current customers that we intend to go full steam ahead</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199147.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with our on-going clinical trials for the COBAS Amplicor</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199175.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">system, as well as the Japanese Red Cross trial which</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199202.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">has this Multiplex, more automated system than we have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199229.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in trials right now.  We will continue those trials and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199257.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we will continue to submit for regulatory review.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:199284.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Finally, we will have full intention to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199311.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">support our customers without any change.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:199339.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:199366.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:199394.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Before you leave the podium,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199421.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Mike, I can't resist asking for some clarification.  How</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199448.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are you going to support your customers by not investing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199476.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and not initiating new research?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:200320.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200335.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:200335.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:200335.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:199638.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. GALLARDA:  That's a good question.  I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199666.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">would say that the answer is that a year and a half ago</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199693.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we were asked by the customers to get into this business</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199720.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and the understanding was at that time we were going</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199748.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">forward with minipool testing.  That was the paradigm</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199775.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and that's what we were going forward with.  I think</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199802.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that has demonstrated an effectiveness that everyone --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199830.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I think all the blood centers should be proud of.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:199857.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We expect that those products are going to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199885.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be licensable.  We're going to file for licensure and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199912.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">then there will be the need to support those products</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199939.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and so that's what I mean by continuing to support the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:199967.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">customers with a minipool NAT system that we have.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:199994.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Thank you.  Those are some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200021.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">really difficult ancillary problems that maybe we can go</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200049.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">over in the group discussion and they probably don't</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200076.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">only apply to Roche.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:200103.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The next speaker is Dr. Klaus-Heinrich</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200131.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Heerman from the University of Gottingen.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:200158.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Dr. Heerman.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:200186.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. HEERMAN:  First, I want to thank the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200213.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">organizers for inviting me to this lecture.  Ladies and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200240.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">gentlemen, you have heard today and the last time NAT is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200268.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very sensitive, especially if performed in a single</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:201112.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201127.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:201127.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:201127.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200430.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test.  Therefore, the handling of this technique and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200458.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">fundamental extraction steps are susceptible to cross</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200485.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">contamination.  The surface area, the surface tension of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200512.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the liquid is the only cover against the template cross</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200540.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">over.  And therefore easy and safe extraction methods</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200567.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are required in the same way only less expensive methods</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200594.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are qualified for high throughput testing especially in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200622.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood bank facilities.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:200649.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">First slide, please.  I've developed an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200677.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">easy way to extract template RNA.  After sample</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200704.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">distribution of the plasma, the template was extracted</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200731.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">by protease and a further step, the protease was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200759.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">denatured by heat and in a dilution step we get some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200786.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">streptomycin coated particles to capture the first</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200813.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">primer for hybridization which takes the template.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200841.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">After several washings in a special magnetic rack, the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200868.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">template can be amplified or put in to the reverse</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200895.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">transcription method.  Finally, there is an easy</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200923.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">extracted, easy detection by fluocin dye.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:200950.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  In cooperation with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:200978.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Tobias Lateler and  Michel Kohler from the Department of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201005.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Transfusion Medicine, the test was adapted to modify</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201032.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pipetting work station and starting with microplated</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201060.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">tubes and using microplates in all subsequent steps,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:201186pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:201186pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:201186pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:201185.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">255</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:201904.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201919.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:201919.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:201919.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201222.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">each donation is linked to its individual HCV RNA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201250.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">result.  Thus, a simple data file is transmitted to a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201277.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sample blood bank software where all data of one</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201304.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation are collected in addition to other several</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201332.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">particular results.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:323.75pt;top:201332.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">For this way we have to develop</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201359.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">some additional features.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:201386.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  We could use a simple magnetic</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201414.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">rack.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:201441.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide.  On the bottom of microplate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201469.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">rack was fixed some magnetic stripes in longitudinal</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201496.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">direction and there are -- next slide.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:201523.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">There are further disposals, a special</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201551.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">waste disposal were introduced to the robot and for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201578.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">removal of the used disposal tips they -- we want not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201605.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">throw away these tips through the air.  We train the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201633.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">robot to put the disposals back down in the rack again</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201660.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which was third from bottom with liquid, for instance,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201687.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the diluted hypochlorite.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:201715.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  This system of primers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201742.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was used.  If there were a peer contamination problem of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201770.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the amplicons we are able to start a placement PCR with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201797.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a primer set for HCV 4.  Because these primers do not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201824.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">detect the small template of everyday performance at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:201852.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">3.0.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:201978pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:201978pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:201978pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:201977.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">256</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:202696.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202711.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:202711.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:202711.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:187.20pt;top:202014.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  It's very difficult to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202042.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">characterize the primer qualities.  The PCR should not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202069.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be otherwise affected by point mutations of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202096.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">template.  Here, you will see the amount of an alignment</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202124.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of up to 400 NCR sequences and I show you the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202151.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">deviations, the point mutations in the definite</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202178.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positions.  We have changed all primers.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:202206.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  We use safety primers</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202233.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and these primers have fixed -- we always use three or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202261.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">four primers.  The primers have fixed five flesh ends or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202288.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the same five flesh ends and they vary at three flesh</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202315.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ends.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:202343.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  Here, I show you the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202370.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">limiting dilution curves of different forms of HEAD.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:202397.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  The HEAD or extraction</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202425.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">amplification detection is very sensitive.  In the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202452.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">middle, there is 160 international units per mL.  We</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202479.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">only use 50 microliters for tests with eight</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202507.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">international units for a test and this 32 genome</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202534.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">equivalence.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:202562.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  And the blood banks</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202589.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">don't get very much, only a few positive specimens and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202616.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">therefore we use 201 specimens of our diagnostic lab to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202644.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test the system and of this 201 we detect 196.  Only</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:202770pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:202770pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:202770pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:202769.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">257</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:203488.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203503.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:203503.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:203503.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202806.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">five we don't detect and therefore we have -- it looked</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202834.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for the titer of the specimen and the only footnote</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202861.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which the very diluted specimen, of this specimen, one</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202888.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cannot be retested from the in-house positive and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202916.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pharmapositive assay.  Two further could not -- reached</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202943.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from the Roche system and one of these five samples were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:202970.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from pathologic labs.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:202998.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  On seven different</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203025.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">days, testing of six replicates of two dilution series</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203053.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with different lots of reagents were performed and here</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203080.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are the results.  The middle and the extreme -- and in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203107.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">addition of several individuals or possible individuals</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203135.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of TB test this, too, and with only minor infections.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:203162.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  These are the results</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203189.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of a long time study of up to 28,000 donations.  In the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203217.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">window period we found two positive donations and five</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203244.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donations have already antibodies and the drawback we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203271.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have are these false positive results left.  This is 1</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203299.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in 2,000 reactions and if we perform other tests in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203326.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">unit it's increasing three to 1,000 tests and therefore</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203354.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">-- next slide, please.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:203381.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We identify the major problem of our liquid</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203408.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">handling of the robot and the pipetting tips have very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203436.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">small outlets, therefore the speed of the liquid is very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:203562pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:203562pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:203562pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:203561.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">258</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:204280.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204295.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:204295.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:204295.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203598.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">high if you inject it.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:203626.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  Therefore, the future</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203653.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">invention is to use magnetic tip and this is the shape</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203680.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of these different devices.  This is a hepa tip and this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203708.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is magnetic tip and you take it into the surface of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203735.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">liquid and on this side you don't inject liquids.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:203762.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  With the same</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203790.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">chemistry we could have found the extraction by covering</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203817.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the magnetic tip and collect the beads in the solution</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203845.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">by putting down the stick into the liquid and then you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203872.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">can wash easy with some additional wires with the stick</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203899.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and you put the beads into the solution for RT or TCR.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:203927.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next slide, please.  These are the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203954.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">advantages of this system.  There are variable specimen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:203981.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">volumes up to more than 10 milliliters.  There is an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204009.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">easier reduction of the template volume.  You can leave</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204036.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the beads in 25 microliters.  There are easy washing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204063.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">steps and the exchange of buffer is easy too.  There are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204091.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">no pipetting steps and this is really more laminar</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204118.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">procedure and the handling is more slower.  With this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204146.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">system, you perform additional pools, but in another way</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204173.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you can pool after in the middle of the denaturation and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204200.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have it capture individual probes and this is a major</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204228.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">point.  You have less plastic waste and the cost of our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:205072.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205087.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:205087.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:205087.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204390.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">system is about 4.5 dollars and if we lose many tips for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204418.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">washing, we are at about 2.5 dollars.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:204445.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you very much.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:204472.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:204500.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Thank you very much.  Our final</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204527.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">speaker is Dr. Jean-Pierre Allain from the University of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204554.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Cambridge, England.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:204582.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. ALLAIN:  Thank you, good afternoon.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204609.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'm first of all thankful to the organizers inviting me</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204637.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to share with you the data on the single dilution</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204664.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing using TNA for the detection of HVC and HIV RNA.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:204691.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We are in the process of doing two studies,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204719.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one of them is targeting first time donors in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204746.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Southeast of England which is essentially looking into</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204773.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HCV RNA detection and the second is done in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204801.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">collaboration with the blood center in Durban, South</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204828.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Africa because of -- and directed to what they call high</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204855.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">risk blood donors, essentially directed to HIV.  So I'm</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204883.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">going to update you quickly on both of these studies.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:204910.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Could I have the first one, please.  This</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204938.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is the study design of the U.K. study where we start</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204965.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with whole blood donation and as you can see here it's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:204992.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">done in parallel with the antibody EIA testing so these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205020.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">samples we are testing in the study is -- are not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:205864.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205879.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:205879.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:205879.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205182.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">prescreened for serology.  The objective of the study is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205210.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">three things, first of all, to assess the visibility and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205237.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">performance of TMA in testing individual donation.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205264.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">second is to look at the clinical efficacy of the test</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205292.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and the third to compare with the currently on-going</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205319.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pool testing.  So as I mentioned we are targeting</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205346.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">essentially first time donations, although the pool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205374.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing with 96 member pools is looking at the entire</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205401.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">population of blood donors first time and with repeat</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205429.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donors.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:205456.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So basically the TECAN is preparing the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205483.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pool, but also taking one in an archive and then what is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205511.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">left in the tubes is sent to us for TMA testing and then</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205538.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we on the second day have an initial result and then</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205565.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">confirmation on day 3.  However, our results are not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205593.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">taken into consideration of the moment, but for clinical</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205620.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">distribution of the products.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:205647.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one, please.  So first we looked at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205675.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the performance of the assay in terms of sensitivity and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205702.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'm not going to dwell on it because this has been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205730.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">presented previously.  The only thing I would mention is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205757.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that the sensitivity is very high, in some ways too high</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205784.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because we have difficulties by using rTPCR too much</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:205812.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">sensitivity for both HCV and HIV.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:206671.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:206671.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:205974.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one, please.  Just another rendition</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206002.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of what Sheryl showed about the timberline of testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:206029.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We have actually two technicians working on the project</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206056.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and, basically, it's comfortable for each and you can</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206084.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">see here the various steps of the technique to do two</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206111.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">runs of 100 tubes.  However, we have tried to do three</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206138.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and it's quite feasible within six hours except that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206166.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">there is no time for lunch, but it is quite feasible.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:206193.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Laughter.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:206221.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The next one, please.  So basically, at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206248.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">moment and this is as of last Friday, we have run 304</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206275.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">runs of 100 tubes.  Two hundred seventy seven or 91</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206303.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent we've added drugs.  We were a little bit</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206330.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">concerned as has been presented previously by other</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206357.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">speakers of the relatively high member of invalid runs</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206385.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and in particular out of these 27 or nine percent we had</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206412.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">22 cases of failure of the calibrators and this was a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206439.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">concern to us.  However, we had in some cases, as you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206467.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">would expect, in the learning curve, identified human</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206494.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">errors and also some technical problems.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:206522.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one, please.  This is a little bit</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206549.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">complicated but it basically tells you all of our</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206576.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">results.  Here, you have the actual run, so each</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206604.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individual is 100 tube run, each of the dots here.  You</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:207448.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207463.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:207463.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:207463.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206766.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have in red, the round dots, the invalids and the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206794.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">triangle of the initial reactor and then that's the open</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206821.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and the closed represents the repeat when needed.  In</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206848.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">addition, I put here the invalid runs shown here and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206876.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this is the actual number of these various results.  You</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206903.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">can see at a glance that we had essentially two periods</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206930.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of problems.  One here, essentially which was initial</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206958.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reactive, none of them repeating and another one here</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:206985.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which was both the initial reactive and invalid and as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207013.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">you can see, this corresponded also to a bad period of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207040.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">invalid runs.  We have identified the reason for these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207067.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">here which was, it was in the middle of the summer,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207095.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">believe it or not, it was too hot in England for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207122.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">selection process and now with the air conditioning</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207149.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">running we eliminated that problem.  Here, it was more</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207177.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">complicated than it was, in fact, a combination of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207204.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">problems with instrumentation and in particular the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207231.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">washing system, and at some point the luminometer, but</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207259.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">also kind of not quite strict enough adherence to the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207286.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturer's protocol.  So the false were shared so to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207314.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">speak.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:207341.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">But except for these two periods, if you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207368.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">look when everything works well, as you can see the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207396.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">number of invalid runs is infrequent.  We have very few</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:208240.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208255.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:208255.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:208255.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207558.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">invalids and very few initial reactors.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:207586.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And this is translated here in numbers.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207613.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Out of nearly 26,000 individual first time donations we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207640.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have screened, we have 1.23 percent invalids, excluding</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207668.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the invalid runs, which all repeat, were obviously no</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207695.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">problem.  The initially reactive were 0.48 percent, but</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207722.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as you can see here most of them were located in these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207750.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">two critical and difficult periods, but you can see that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207777.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on repeat we had only three so-called false positives.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:207805.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In other words, none confirmed samples that were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207832.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">repeatably reactive and of note is that these three were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207859.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">during the period of problems with all the invalid runs.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:207887.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So as you can see here, 17 of these 20 were confirmed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207914.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and the details are shown in the next overhead.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:207941.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">And these are the 17.  As you can see in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207969.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">black, most of them were HCV as you would expect; one</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:207996.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV and all of them were also seropositive and all of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208023.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">them were confirmed either by our in-house HIV or HCV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208051.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">confirmation.  And the overall prevalence for HCV was 1</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208078.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in 1700 donations which is exactly what we predicted</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208106.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from the epidemiology.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:208133.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one, please.  If we look at the -- now</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208160.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we compared that to the overall data as far as antibody</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208188.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">was concerned, confirmed positive NTHCD.  There were 24</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:209032.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209047.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:209047.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:209047.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208350.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">during that period, but because we were doing the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208378.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">screening only four days a week, we tested, in fact, 14</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208405.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and 11 were TMA positive, three negative which is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208432.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">basically corresponding to the 85 percent chronic</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208460.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">infection as we would expect.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:208487.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one.  Okay, just quickly -- so that's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208514.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for the U.K. study in first time donors.  Now the South</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208542.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">African design is different for several reasons.  One of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208569.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">them is that they are testing for NTP p24 antigen.  The</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208597.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">other is because of the prevalence of HIV and to some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208624.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">extent, HCV we did it post-serology except for p24.  So</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208651.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">basically what has been done is that the p24 positive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208679.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">antibody negative were included in the study to see</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208706.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">whether we could replace eventually p24 by TMA and also</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208733.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the negative.  So on one hand, those were tested</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208761.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individually.  Also, on site in Durban, they were put in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208788.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools of 24 and we tested both pools and individual</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208815.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">samples.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:208843.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Next one.  So this is just a quick summary</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208870.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of the results.  We've tested 1800 samples.  We have .03</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208898.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent invalid.  Initially reactive, we have 2.23</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208925.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent, repeat reactive 141 and confirmed positive, 26.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:208952.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">As you can see here most of the confirmed positive were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:208980.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HIV antibody positive which were deliberately put into</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209839.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:209839.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:209839.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209142.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the system by our South African colleagues as positive</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209170.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">control and four of them were positive, but also were</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209197.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive by p24.  We haven't found at this point what</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209224.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we're actually looking for which is anti-HIV negative,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209252.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">p24 negative TMA HIV RNA positive.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:209279.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Last one, please.  So the question has been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209306.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">raised already how the feasibility of single donation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209334.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and I've done some calculation as far as England is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209361.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">concerned.  Out of 2.2 million donations per year, 85</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209389.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">percent being repeat donation and 15 percent being first</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209416.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">time.  So if we do it by all individual testing for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209443.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">repeat donation, that would require either 31, if it was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209471.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a 3 run technician or 46 individuals which in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209498.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">current situation in England seem a terribly high number</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209525.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of people, but if it's done by a pool of 16, then it</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209553.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">takes either seven or ten individuals to do the testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:209580.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In first-time donations, if you do</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209607.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">individual, two or three individual can test all the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209635.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">first time donations easily and if it's in pool.  So one</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209662.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of the options at the moment would be at least before</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209690.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the complete automation is available, one of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209717.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">possibilities would be to do individual testing for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209744.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">higher risk first time donation and the pool of 16 for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:209772.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the repeat donors.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:210616.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210631.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:210631.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:210631.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:209934.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Thank you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:209962.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Applause.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:209989.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Thank you very much.  We now</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210016.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have a panel discussion.  I'll try to end the session on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210044.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">time.  If the members of the panel could come to the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210071.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">table, please.  I think we'll begin our discussion with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210098.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the subject of single donor testing, but I would like to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210126.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">allow it to be free ranging over any topic connected</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210153.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with implementation of NAT.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:210181.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'd like to begin with a question for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210208.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">panel and I'd also like to invite the audience to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210235.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">respond, perhaps some of the manufacturers.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:210263.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I've heard concerns expressed that the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210290.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">advent of single donor testing is going to possibly</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210317.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cause delay in the filing of PLAs for minipool testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:210345.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I would like to get some comments on that, if possible.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:210372.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Perhaps Dr. Gallarda from Roche could comment on that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210399.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">since it's sort of related in a kind of opposite way to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210427.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what he was saying.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:210454.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. GALLARDA:  Well, I can just tell you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210482.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that from Roche's perspective, we intend to go full</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210509.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">steam ahead with filing for submission for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210536.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Ampliscreen HCV and HIV products and our estimated</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210564.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">target date for this is the end of the first quarter of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:211408.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211423.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:211423.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:211423.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210726.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">next year.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:210754.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">We have a pretty active group doing a lot</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210781.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of PCR assay development and I think the flip flop here</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210808.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is that we don't expect to have a lot of impediment in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210836.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">filing those because we're working actively on single</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210863.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">unit systems.  So I think our strategy is to provide</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210890.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what, apparently, is going to be an effective means to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210918.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">further close the seroconversion window, interdict NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210945.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">only units and that's the minipool system that we've</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:210973.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">developed.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:211000.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Dr. Busch.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:211027.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BUSCH:  I think that we did have a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211055.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">resistance on the part of the other manufacturer, Gen-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211082.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Probe, and now a partnership with Chiron to really fully</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211109.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">support minipool testing.  They run a bandwagon, in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211137.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">part, I think, with encouragement from FDA and NLBI to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211164.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">move forward toward single donation testing and they</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211191.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">felt that there was potentially going to be an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211219.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">acceptance of minipool testing.  What I think we've seen</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211246.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">though is with a lot of effort on our part and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211274.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">cooperation, I think, from Chiron and now Gen-Probe, is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211301.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a commitment from that company to support minipool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211328.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing and bring forward a licensed product.  They are,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211356.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in parallel, pursuing an IND claim for single donation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:212200.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212215.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:212215.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:212215.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211518.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing, but recognizing that the industry, at least for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211546.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the next few years is really intent on doing minipool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211573.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing until, I think, the efficacy and cost and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211600.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reimbursement issues around supporting single donation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211628.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing come forward.  So I think there has been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211655.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">movement.  I would say that there's been great value</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211682.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that there's been a competitor out there.  I think if</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211710.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Roche had not been there, if you guys had not come to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211737.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the table two or three years ago and entered this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211765.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">business that there may well have been a sort of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211792.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">inexorable move to single donation testing even though</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211819.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">it may not have been in the interest of the industry.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:211847.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  A question from the microphone</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211874.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">on the floor.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:211901.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">MR. HALVERSON:  Craig Halverson from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211929.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Gen-Probe.  I just wanted to confirm that Gen-Probe is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211956.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">going forward with -- in parallel, with individual</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:211983.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donation testing as well as minipool testing and we do</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212011.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">not expect that individual donation testing will delay</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212038.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in any way approval of minipool testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:212066.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Thank you.  Does anyone on the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212093.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">panel have any comments or questions on the general</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212120.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">issues related to NAT implementation?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:212148.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. CHUDY:  I think we should encourage</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213007.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:213007.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:213007.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212310.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">single unit testing because I think in the future when</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212338.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT will replace the serological test.  It could only be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212365.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in the stage of single unit testing and in the moment</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212392.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">there are times to act and I think this is the new</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212420.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">solution.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:212447.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. HELDEBRANT:  Chuck Heldebrant from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212474.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Alpha.  I think based on our experience with minipool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212502.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing of plasma pools, I think it's premature to look</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212529.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">at single donation testing by NAT as a way to replace</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212557.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">serology.  They measure different things.  They</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212584.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">complement each other.  We look in the future to have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212611.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">minipool testing of NAT to help us cover the window</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212639.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">period and serology testing to help us cover the more</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212666.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">developed periods of infection.  The objective we have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212693.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is we want to be able to detect any unit from any donor</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212721.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">at any time during the disease state.  That's what we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212748.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">want to be able to do and as good as it is NAT doesn't</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212775.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">give us that capability.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:212803.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. SALDANHA:  I'm not sure where the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212830.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">serology comes in, but certainly when we discussed the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212858.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">introduction of NAT testing it was always felt it was an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212885.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">additional assay to ensure additional safety.  It was</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212912.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">never the idea to replace serology.  And as far as I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:212940.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">think we're concerned in Europe, serology assays are not</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:213784.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213799.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:213799.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:213799.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213102.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">going to be replaced by NAT as an additional assay.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:213130.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  We may not necessarily agree</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213157.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with that in the United States as you heard earlier.  I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213184.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mean there are specific assays that we can target</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213212.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">elimination such as p24 antigen that measures basically</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213239.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the same thing as NAT, ALT, perhaps as we look at</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213266.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hepatitis B screening anti cor.  So we are hopeful, even</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213294.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">those are not in your menu, except for ALT that we can</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213321.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">move to eliminating some of our current tasks with the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213349.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">replacement of some more sensitive tests.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:213376.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. KLEINMAN:  I wanted to agree with some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213403.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of the comments that Celso made previously about the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213431.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">move toward single donation testing.  I think it is a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213458.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">question of not if, but when and I think that since we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213485.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have demonstrated efficacy for minipool testing at a lot</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213513.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of effort, I don't see the need to rush headlong in the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213540.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">same rapid way into individual donation testing.  I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213567.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">think we need to accumulate the data and we need to get</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213595.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">better at our laboratory turnaround time and we need to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213622.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">as well get the automation up to the standards of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213650.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">serology testing.  I don't think we should be going into</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213677.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">systems that are semi-manual for individual donation</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213704.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing given the potential problems they can generate</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213732.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and given the fact that at least the models predict only</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:214576.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214591.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:214591.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:214591.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213894.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a small incremental benefit.  But I think once we get to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213922.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">more automated systems, that incremental benefit will be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213949.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">worth it, then we need to find a way to be able to pay</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:213976.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for it.  But that shouldn't stop us from doing it.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214004.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Those problems will need to be solved.  So I basically</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214031.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">think that Celso's rendition of the problem was a good</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214058.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one but urge that we go on that course.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:214086.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Question from the floor.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:214113.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. ALLAIN:  It's not exactly a question,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214141.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">it's rather a comment.  I mean I was just going to say</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214168.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the same thing as Steve just mentioned that on the basis</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214195.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of our experience, the semiautomated system we are using</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214223.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">currently for single donation in molecular virology</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214250.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">laboratory like ours is difficult.  We have problems and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214277.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we need to solve them on a daily basis and so I don't</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214305.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">think as it is the technology would be suitable for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214332.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">general use in blood banks, particularly knowing that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214359.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the level of molecular biology knowledge in the average</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214387.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">blood bank is often appalling, if I may say so, at least</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214414.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">it is the case in England and in some other countries,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214442.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">including the U.S., I believe.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:214469.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So I agree with Steve that unless</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214496.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">automation is there, I think that would be the absolute</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214524.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">necessity to implement it on individual donations.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:215368.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215383.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:215383.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:215383.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:214686.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Dr. Bianco.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:214714.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BIANCO:  Actually just following those</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214741.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">statements, I think that the FDA has done that in many</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214768.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ways in terms of looking at entire systems, not just the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214796.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">chemistry of a test or the molecular biology of the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214823.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">test, but the entire system and how it's going to work</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214850.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in the field and I think that more and more with the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214878.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">complexity of what we do, I think that as we look at NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214905.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing and licensure, we should look at the entire</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214933.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">system, so we make sure that the outcomes are the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214960.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">outcomes that we want.  We just don't have a test that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:214987.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in the model somewhere in a corner works very well, but</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215015.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">when we throw it to the world that may not perform as we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215042.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">need it to perform.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:215069.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  I'd like to ask a question</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215097.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about NAT testing for hepatitis B virus.  We've got</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215124.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">people from quite a number of countries here, Dr.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215151.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Nakajima from Japan, we've got at least two people from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215179.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Germany, Dr. Heerman and Dr. Chudy and can some of you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215206.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">bring us up to date as to what is going to happen with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215234.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT testing for hepatitis B virus in your countries?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:215261.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. NAKAJIMA:  I'm sorry, I didn't quite</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215288.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">understand what do you mean by "what's happening" --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:215316.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  What are your regulatory plans</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:216160.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216175.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:216175.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:216175.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215478.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and what stage of investigation have you reached in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215506.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">using NAT testing for screening for hepatitis B?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:215533.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. NAKAJIMA:  When we include the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215560.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hepatitis B in our minimum requirement, we have to shut</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215588.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">down the import from the overseas of the imported plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215615.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">products from overseas, so we cannot do that at this</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215642.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">moment.  Unfortunately, in our country, JRC is the only</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215670.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one, collecting organization, and they do the HBV NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215697.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">system already.  So we do not have the actual problem</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215725.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">concerning the transfusion products, so if the foreign</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215752.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturers are ready to implement HBV, we can proceed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215779.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to the minimum requirement including in the minimum</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215807.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">requirement of the HBV.  Until that, we have to collect</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215834.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">our data.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:215861.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Thank you.  That's very</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215889.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">interesting.  How about Germany and --</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:215916.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. CHUDY:  Of course, we are both thinking</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215943.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">about increasing HBV safety regarding to NAT and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215971.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">opposite to the NTHBC testing.  And my view is it is now</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:215998.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">difficult to define individualized QHQ compared to HC</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216026.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because the detection unit must be so low as they can do</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216053.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">it.  What is so low?  I think maybe 300 or 400 copies</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216080.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and that's as far as practice and other strategy -- HBV</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216108.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing for HC testing and also another kind of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:216952.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216967.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:216967.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:216967.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216270.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">extraction, of something.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:216298.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I think at the moment you cannot take the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216325.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">same extraction procedure for HBV you can't transmit to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216352.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">extract HBV.  That's my personal view.  I think there is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216380.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">no generic extraction procedure now that gives the same</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216407.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">efficacy for all nucleic acid.  I think this problem is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216434.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to be resolved.  It is helpful, I think, now we have a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216462.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">WHO standard, we can start some collaboration studies to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216489.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">see what is the detection unit of the different viral</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216517.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">copies and then we get an impression to come to a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216544.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">decision.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:216571.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Yes?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:216599.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. DODD:  I think that we need to be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216626.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">rather careful not to walk in lockstep with every one of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216653.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the agents for which we might be able to test.  I have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216681.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">some concerns about assuming that we need to be testing</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216708.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for hepatitis B.  I'm not saying we don't need to be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216735.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing, but I think we need to remember, for example,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216763.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that this is probably one of the agents that is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216790.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">expressed most variably in terms of incidence and</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216818.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">prevalence around the world.  We've actually seen some</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216845.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">quite interesting data today already about a relatively</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216872.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">high yield for HBV detection, in some populations of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:216900.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">donors that have generally considered to be at somewhat</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:217026pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:217026pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:217026pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:217025.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">275</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:217744.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217759.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:217759.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:217759.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217062.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">higher risk than those for single blood donations.  I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217090.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">think we've also seen some interesting data from Japan</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217117.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">which has a very high prevalence and a significant</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217144.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">incidence of hepatitis B.  I think we need to recognize</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217172.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that there is not apparently a major demonstrated risk</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217199.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of HBV transmission in this country, perhaps in part</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217226.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because we do do cor testing and I think any one of us</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217254.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">would be hard put to identify a recent case of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217281.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">transmission of hepatitis B through a pooled plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217309.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">product.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:217336.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">So my plea is let's be a little bit careful</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217363.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and let's not regard it as an Everest and do it just</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217391.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because it's there.  I think we need a really good</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217418.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">rationale before we make our lives even more complex.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:217445.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">You heard what Dr. Chudy said about the technical</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217473.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">difficulties inherent in looking for hepatitis B tests</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217500.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in this environment.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:217527.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Dr. Stramer and then we'll take</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217555.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the questions from the floor.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:217582.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  I have a question for the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217610.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">FDA.  Along the lines of hepatitis B, even without NAT</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217637.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">testing using single donation testing we today have the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217664.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">ability to close the window by the implementation of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217692.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">more sensitive HBS Ag antigen tests or if the FDA chose</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:217818pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:217818pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:217818pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:217817.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">276</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:218536.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218551.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:218551.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:218551.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217854.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to evaluate those that are currently licensed, perhaps</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217882.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the elimination of those with lesser sensitivity would</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217909.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">perhaps do more as far as yield for hepatitis B than</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217936.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implementing a whole new technology.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:217964.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  I'm not sure I have the full</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:217991.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">answer to that.  My knowledge of the tests that are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218018.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">licensed is that even though there is some variability,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218046.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">even though they all meet the minimum FDA standards,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218073.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">there is some variability from manufacturer to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218101.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturer.  None of them would close the window</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218128.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">period.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:218155.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  Of course not, but there's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218183.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">probably enough variability between the test which would</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218210.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be greater in the amount of window period reduction than</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218237.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">by going to minipool HBV DNA testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:218265.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  That's an interesting</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218292.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">perspective.  And the other question I guess would be if</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218319.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">somebody had an even better HBS Ag test than what's on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218347.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the market now, would we be pushed to implement that?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:218374.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">That's very interesting.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:218402.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Yes, on the right hand.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:218429.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">MR. SNAPE:  Terry Snape, Bio Products Lab</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218456.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in the U.K.  Just following up your question on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218484.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hepatitis B testing, Chairman, it's worth remembering</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:218610pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:218610pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:218610pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:218609.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">277</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:219328.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219343.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:219343.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:219343.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218646.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that in Europe there is no uniform mechanism for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218674.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mandating the testing of blood donations for, for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218701.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">example, hepatitis B DNA.  HCV RNA testing came about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218728.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because of the CPMP requirement for testing of plasma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218756.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">pools.  With the specific exception of Germany, it's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218783.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hard to see that HBV DNA testing would be mandated</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218810.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">generally in other member states.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:218838.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  The other microphone?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:218865.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">MR. MacPHERSON:  Yes, Jim MacPherson.  A</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218893.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">lot of people know that the ABC members send about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218920.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">600,000 liters a year of plasma to the Swiss Red Cross</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218947.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and they have indicated just about a month ago that they</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:218975.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">want us to implement HBV NAT by the end of 2000.  Now</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219002.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">they've put that request on hold because they are aware</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219029.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that the data on pools that they're talking about using</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219057.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the same size pools that we do now, that there are data</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219084.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that would show that pools of 16 or 24 can also be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219111.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">matched by some of the, for example, chemiluminescence</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219139.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">technology that's used in the Prism system.  But I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219166.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">suspect that certainly within the next few weeks we're</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219194.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">going to be hearing back from them in terms of what the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219221.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">requirement is actually going to be and how and that we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219248.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have to figure out how we would do that.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:219276.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  And this would be for plasma?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:220120.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220135.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:220135.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:220135.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:219438.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">MR. MACPHERSON:  Well, that's how we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219466.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">started out doing what we're doing now was for plasma,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219493.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for recovered plasma.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:219520.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Dr. Heldebrant?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:219548.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. HELDEBRANT:  Yes, again, one thing that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219575.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">this emphasizes and really shows is that we have three</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219602.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">regions of the world that are all struggling with how to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219630.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">implement NAT testing and they've all taken different</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219657.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">approaches.  Europe has taken an approach of saying</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219685.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturing pools for HCV have a manufacturing pool</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219712.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">limit.  The Kosasho in Japan has a requirement for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219739.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">hepatitis B testing which is understood, given the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219767.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">situation that they have in Japan.  The FDA has yet</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219794.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">another mechanism.  As a manufacturer's representative,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219821.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we have a situation where like it or not, we have to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219849.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">comply with all three and so our plea, at least from the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219876.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">plasma side is that please use the mechanisms for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219903.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">harmonization and please harmonize where we're going</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219931.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">with NAT implementation and NAT regulation.  It will</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219958.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">make it easier for all of us and we'll have a much more</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:219986.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">rational basis to apply it.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:220013.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Dr. Allain?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:220040.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. ALLAIN:  I wanted to mention about the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220068.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">HBV that the situation is much more difficult in my view</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:220194pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:220194pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:220194pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:220193.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">279</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:220912.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220927.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:220927.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:220927.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220230.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">than for HIV and HCV.  In particular, we have shown</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220258.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recently some data indicating that you can have NTHBC</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220285.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">present, an infectious unit which is negative by PCR or</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220312.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">reasonably sensitive PCR and we are not the only ones</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220340.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">who have shown that.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:220367.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">In addition, also in the literature, there</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220394.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">are some cases of HBS Ag positive sampled, confirmed</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220422.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">positive, which are DNA negative, whether or not it's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220449.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">infectious is not clear, but presumably if you can</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220477.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">produce the protein that the likelihood of infectivity</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220504.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is fairly high.  In addition to that as has been</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220531.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">mentioned today, the very low level in the pre-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220559.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">seroconversion period is a problem, so I think it's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220586.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">really a case of its own different -- or different from</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220613.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the other that has to be looked at.  But in my view, I</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220641.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">think relying on genomic detection is not a good idea</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220668.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and I think we are going to stay, we should stay</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220695.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">probably with the HBS Ag and NTHBC until things are</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220723.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">clarified.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:220750.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Any further comments from the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220778.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">panel?  Dr. Stramer?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:220805.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  I have another question for</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:220832.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the FDA.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:220860.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">(Laughter.)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:221704.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221719.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:221719.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:221719.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:221022.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Hearing what you've heard over these</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221050.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">several meetings on NAT that FDA has held or Blood</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221077.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Products Advisory Committee has held or even your other</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221104.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">meetings with IND sponsors, what time line in a perfect</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221132.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">world would you design, starting perhaps from product</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221159.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">release and then licensure, could you outline something</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221186.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for us that perhaps the Agency would like to see?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:221214.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Well, I don't know if I'm</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221241.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">answering you directly, but you know the licensure of</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221269.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">any product is governed not by what FDA wants, but by</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221296.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">what the sponsor wants because it depends on when it's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221323.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">submitted and when the data is complete and when the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221351.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">deficiencies are corrected.  And in addition, as you</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221378.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">know, we're not allowed to talk about -- actually, it's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221405.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">forbidden by law to talk about products under</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221433.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">consideration.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:221460.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  I'm not asking for specifics.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:152.60pt;top:221487.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">I'm saying if you could create a perfect world with</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221515.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">CGMP compliance, no deficiencies in batch records, we're</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221542.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">living in an ideal world.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:221570.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Okay, well, in an ideal world,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221597.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">under -- actually Dr. Epstein took a daring step, but a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221624.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">very good one in permitting or encouraging FDA to permit</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221652.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">the use of NAT screening for HCV under IND and I believe</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:122pt;top:221778pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:126pt;top:221778pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="position:absolute;font-size:0;left:554pt;top:221778pt;width: 1pt;height:756pt;background-color:#000000;"></SPAN><SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:496.80pt;top:221777.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">281</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:222496.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222511.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:222511.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:222511.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221814.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that began by most manufacturers in -- pardon me?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:221842.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  Early 1999 to mid-1999.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:221869.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  And some were beginning earlier</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221896.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">than that, really.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:221924.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  For plasma.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:221951.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Right.  1998 for plasma,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:221978.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">probably.  So for plasma you've got -- you've had two</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222006.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">years to collect data, you know, I would have expected</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222033.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">applications to have flooded our office previously.  So</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222061.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">it's really up to the sponsors.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:222088.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  I would think it would also</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222115.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">be up to the FDA to allow a nationwide IND, which is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222143.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">really unprecedented to be able to say at what point do</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222170.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">we come to closure and I think at the last BPAC meeting</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222197.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">two members have already asked that, at what point do we</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222225.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">look at licensure of pool testing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:222252.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Clearly, the industry, as we talked about</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222279.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in a previous session needs to get to the point where</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222307.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">all cellular components are released based on pooled</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222334.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">NAT.  However, we're going to all get there, but then</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222362.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">how do we proceed with licensure?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:222389.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Well, as I said, you can't have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222416.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">a license until you have an application and an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222444.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">application is complete.  It does create a dilemma</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:223288.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223303.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:223303.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:223303.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222606.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">because in some senses, the IND process should not be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222634.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">used as a substitute for delay in licensure and I'm glad</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222661.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to hear that single donor NAT testing is not going to</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222688.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">delay things further because there were rumors it would.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:222716.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">On the other hand, we're all in agreement</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222743.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that blood and plasma are safer, certainly blood is</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222770.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">safer because of NAT testing under IND and not even any</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222798.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">even hint that it's hurting the blood supply.  There's</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222825.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">no question in my mind and that of everybody else here</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222853.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in this room, probably, that it's helping.  So we can't</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222880.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">discontinue the INDs, but we can't approve an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222907.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">application until the application is there and the data</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222935.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is there.  And it's a common misconception that FDA</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:222962.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">controls this.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:222989.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  I wasn't implying that in any</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223017.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">way, but I think given what we heard today from Gen-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223044.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Probe if they file a single donation test, BLA at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223071.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">same time they file a pool, perhaps when one doesn't</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223099.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">have a crystal ball either one could get delayed.  So an</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223126.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">application could be delayed because both are not ready</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223154.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in tandem.  So I was just curious about regulatory</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223181.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">guidance, perhaps that the Agency could provide the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223208.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">manufacturers.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:223236.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Well, I'll ask for comments</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:300.70pt;top:224080.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Impact" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><i><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">S A G  CORP.S A G  CORP.</FONT></FONT></i></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224095.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:224095.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:224095.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223398.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from other FDA people who are here also, but my answer</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223426.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">to that would be that we encourage the early submission</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223453.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of applications, the early completion of the data sets</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223480.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">and we'll review them as quickly as we possibly can.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:223508.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Dr. Jacobs, would you like to comment?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:223535.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. JACOBS:  We've really been asked the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223562.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">question primarily of what will happen to one IND as</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223590.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">another one goes forward and the answers that we have</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223617.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">given have been that all the INDs will go forward in</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223645.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">parallel, that once one technology has been approved</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223672.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">that we will ask for some comparisons between the two.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.20pt;top:223699.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Those would probably not be done on clinical ones, on</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223727.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">clinical trials, but they will continue to go forward.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:151.00pt;top:223754.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">But there will then be a requirement that there will be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223781.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">some comparison once one is licensed.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:223809.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">The other questions that we've been asked</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223836.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">is following licensure, what would FDA consider in terms</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223863.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">of making a recommendation for testing and I think that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223891.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">recommendation would first there would have to be a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223918.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">licensed test and then we would have to look at the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223946.00pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">applicability of that test, how applicable would it be</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:223973.35pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for a universal situation, what is the throughput,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224000.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">etcetera.  So that would be a separate consideration</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224028.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">from licensing and we certainly encourage people to send</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224887.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:292.55pt;top:224887.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Washington, D.C.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:436.10pt;top:224887.45pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Arial" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 9.84pt">Fax: 202/797-2525</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224190.80pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">in applications.  So I hope that's responsive to your</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224218.15pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">question.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:224245.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. STRAMER:  Well, yes, the bar certainly</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224272.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">changes for any of the manufacturers once there is a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224300.25pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">licensed comparator because then one could easily say go</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224327.60pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">back and do your trials against the licensed test.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:224354.95pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  But it's very possible that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224382.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">there could be one licensed test and other INDs that</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224409.70pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">were still running and I think just, you know, a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224437.05pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">practical basis there would be no way to avoid that, no</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224464.40pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">one of the current IND holders could handle the entire</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224491.75pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">market even for a short period of time.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:224519.10pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Are there any other questions?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:224546.50pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. BIANCO:  Not a question, but just a</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224573.85pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">comment.  I think we've all heard your encouragements</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224601.20pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">for submissions for licensure.  That's, I think, what</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224628.55pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Sue wanted to hear from you.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:224655.90pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">DR. TABOR:  Thank you.  Was there another</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:144.00pt;top:224683.30pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">comment?  Okay, any comments from the floor?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<SPAN STYLE="color:#000000;position:absolute;left:230.40pt;top:224710.65pt;z-index:3;"><FONT FACE ="Courier New" style = "font-size: 12.00pt"><FONT COLOR="000000"><FONT STYLE="font-size: 12.00pt">Well, thank you very much.  I want to thank</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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