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III
Day
One
[
z]
June
17,2003
[
3]
PROCEEDINGS
I41
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MR.
LOEHR:
­
Superfund
Subcommittee,
this
___.­

Page
5
[
6]
morning
is
an
informal
component
of
that
meeting.
We'll
[
7]
be
officially
starting
the
activities
with
a
public
Le.
1
meeting
this
afternoon
at
1
:
OO.

PI
But
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
came
here,
as
we
[
la]
did
to
Phoenix,
was
to
get
a
prospective
of
the
[
1
I]
activities
in
the
field
as
to
what's
going
on
and
our
(
121
chances
to
meet
with
the
people
that
are
facing
Superfund
[
ia]
issues,
both
in
the
different
regions
and
certainly
in
(
141
the
communities,
and
we're
delighted
to
be
here
in
[
I
51
Fdirhaven/
New
Bedford
with
the
Mayor
from
New
Bedford,

[
16]
Fred
Kalisz,
who
is
with
us
today
to
start
us
off
into
~
171
the
activities.

[
181
And,
Fred,
we're
very
pleased
to
be
here
and
[
iq
absolutely
delighted
that
you
arranged
for
the
weather
[
ZOJ
that
we
have.
I
noticed
that
may
not
be
always
what
you
[
zl]
have
up
here,
but
your
powers,
in
terms
of
arranging
pz]
these
kinds
of
things
for
us,
are
awesome
and
we
[
I]
appreciate
you
doing
so.

PI
But
Fred
and
his
people
and
the
regions
have
[
3]
arranged
for
the
tour
that
we're
going
to
be
having
this
[
4]
morning.
And
let
me
turn
it
right
over
to
Fred
to
move
(
5)
us
into
that
activity.
Mayor
Kalisz.

PI
MAYOR
KALISZ:
Thank
you,
Doctor,
and
good
[
7]
morning
to
my
colleagues
on
the
NACEPTAdvisory
[
a]
Committee.
It's
certainly
a
pleasure
for
me
as
Mayor
of
[
g]
the
city
to
welcome
you
here
to
New
Bedford
because
of
[
IO]
the
realities.
The
realities
of
what
the
past
has
left
[
I
11
the
community,
about
the
realities
that
we've
been
~
121
talking
about
for
such
an
extended
period
of
time,
and
[
13]
thal
fortunately
in
lhis
case,
what
brought
me
to
the
1141
NACEPT
panel
I'm
able
to
show
and
share
with
you
as
WC
[
rs]
begin
that
process
of
the
fmal
determination
of
the
[
is]
paper
that
will
be
submitted
to
the
EPA.

I171
WhiIe
I'll
be
giving
my
formal
remarks
a
little
jre]
bit
later
today,
I
just
wanted
to
touch
upon
a
few
of
the
[
19]
points
as
we
begin
on
this
morning's
bus
tour
on
our
[
20]
IIarbor,
our
Superfund
I'rojccLAs
you
may
Irdvc
noticctl
PI]
I've
said
our
Iiarbor
Superfund
Project,
and
although
ii
IMP]
is
the
EPA
with
the
assistance
of
the
Army
Corps
of
Page
7
[
II
Engineers
that
is
overseeing
this
project,
in
a
very
true
[
z]
and
r.
al
sense
it
is
the
harbor
of
the
people
ol`
the
city
[
3]
of
New
Bedford,
our
Project.

[
41
During
our
previous
meetings
I've
stated
in
Is]
testimony
that
the
real
mcasurc
of
success
of
a
Supcrluncl
[
6]
Project
is
not
only
determined
by
the
Environmental
[
jl
Engineer,
but
also
by
the
property
owner
across
the
[
a]
street
and
the
member
of
community
in
general.
Long
[
g]
after
the
Superfund
Staff
Ieavcs
New
Bedford
the
effects
[
IO]
of
this
project
will
be
felt
by
its
residents
of
this
:
I
t]
community.
We
have
lived
with
the
New
Bedford
Harbor
[
IZ]
Superfund
Project
for
over
20
years
and
with
any
1131
relationship
there
has
been
positive
interaction
and
1141
there
obviously
have
been
some
not­
so­
positive
1151
interactions.

1161
However,
through
the
good
efforts
of
a
number
of
:
17]
people,
we
have
developed
a
very
good
working
.
is]
relationship
in
which
we
understand
each
other's
goals
:
iq
and
challenges
tl!
at
they
bring
to
the
tdbblc.
It
is
only
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[
zo]
with
the
understanding
of
any
project
WC
can
hope
to
I
[
a]
succeed,
and
I
hdpc
that
during
the
tour
you
will
begin
[
22]
to
see
the
Superflmd
Project
has
become
one
of
Lhc
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8
[
I]
foundations
for
our
strategic
plan
for
harbor
and
estuary
[
z]
development
within
our
city.

[
31
The
City
of
New
Bedford
is
one
of
the
four
[
4]
largest
four
deep
water
seaports
in
the
commonwcallh
of
[
5]
LMassachusetts.
It
is
also
home
to
the
largest
dollar
[
q
value
catch
of
any
fleet
in
the
IJnited
States,
making
us
[
7]
number
one
by
the
Deparlment
of
Commerce
StdnddrdS
181
relative
to
the
economic
impact
of
the
fishing
industry
[
q
in
any
community
in
the
entire
continental,
and
to
that
IO]
matter
of
fact,
all
of
the
IJnitcd
States,
inclusive
of
I]
IIawaii
and
Alaska.

21
That's
the
product
that
flows
through
this
port
la]
Yet,
the
threshold
is
the
challenge
that
WC
lind
here
and
41
it's
not
the
threshold
of
economic
development,
but
the
s]
threshold
over
which
we
cross
over
the
PCB
laden
grounds
61
that
have
been
alI
part
of
the
Superfund
Project.

71
You'll
see
lhc
working
clement
of
New
Bedfbrd
a]
You'll
also
see
some
of
the
historic
aspects
of
New
s]
Bedford.
And
throughoul
the
course
of
the
da);
as
wc
`
01
interject
into
the
prcscntalion
as
you
now
arc­
in
Nc\\

`
I]
Bedford,
you
will
see
how
wc'rc
taking
those
challcngcs
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and
developing
them
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[
II
launching
a
strategic
plan
that
is
environmentally,

[
z]
economically
and
educationally
sensitive
to
the
people
of
!
3]
this
region.

141
MR.
LOEHR:
We
have
some
other
folks
with
us
151
from
EPA.
Do
you
wish
to
introduce
them
­

161
MAYOR
KALISZ:
It's
a
very
simple
introduction.

[
71
We've
very
fortunate
to
have
with
us
one
of
the
lead
[
a]
people
out
of
EPA
Region
One,
Rich
Cavagnero,
who
will
[
g]
introduce
our
Federal
and
State
partners,
who
arc
working
[
lo]
with
us
on
the
presentations
this
morning.
Rich.

I'll
MR.
CAVAGNERO:
Thank
you,
Mayor
Kalisz.
It's
(
121
always
nice
10
come
down
to
New
Bedford
in
good
weather.

[
I31
I
am
the
Deputy
Director
in
the
0ffice
of
site
~
141
Rcmediation
&
Rcs&)
ration,
which
in
our
region
includes
(
151
Superfund,
Brown
Fields,
Record
Corrective
Action
and
the
[
i6]
Tanks
Programs.
I'm
hdppy
Lo
introduce
the
people
who
[
17]
arc'
doing
the
heavy
lifting
on
the
New
Bedford
Project.

114
To
my
right
is
Dave
Dickerson
and
Jim
Brown,
who
[
19]
arc
the
two
project
managers;
Stacy
Grcendlingcr,
who
is
[
zo]
our
<:
ommunity
lnvolvcment
and
Media
Coordinator
on
the
[
ZI]
project;
and
WC
have
two
reps
from
the
Massachusetts
1221
Department
of
Environmental
Protection,
Jay
Naparstek
­

[
i]
could
you
stand
up,
Jay
­
who
heads
up
the
IiPA
Clean­
up
[
z]
Programs
for
MASS.,
and
next
to
him
is
Paul
Craffey,
who
131
is
the
Project
Manager
on
the
New
Bedford
project.

!
41
(
51
And
wth
thal.
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
lo
161
I>
nvc.
who
will
he
doing
your
presenlation.

(
71
MR.
DICKERSON:
Thank
you,
Rich.
Good
morning,

161
evcryonc.
Welcome
to
New
l%
edford.
Again,
I'm
Dave
[
g]
Dickerson.
I've
been
a
Project
Manager
on
the
New
(
13)
lscdlhrd
site
for
about
eight
and
a
half
years
now,
and
:
I
I]
Jim
2%
rown,
another
longtime
Project
Manager,
and
I
arc
(
121
going
to
give
a
short
presenlation
about
the
harbor
I!
31
cleanup
followed
by
a
bus
tour.
So,
belwccn
the
two
we
(
141
hope
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.

1151
So,
first
a
Little
bil
geography
before
we
gel
[
ifi]
mto
the
nature
of
the
PC;
B
problem
and
the
Harbor
Cleanup
Ilr]
Plan
sclcctccl
in
`
98
and
our
progress
towards
that.

[~
ti]
llopcl'ully,
you
al1
know
whcrc
YOLI
are
by
now,
hut
New
fi9!
I\
crlVord
Ilarbor
is
down
between
Boston
and
Cape
Cod.

pro]
Nantucket
and
Martha's
Vineyard
arc
just
offshore.

/
Zll
h'lo\+
ng
to
the
harbor,
itsell',
this
is
the
main
[
22]
Ncxv
Ucrlhrd
llarbor
area.
Some­
of
the
key
ltiaturcs
hat
[
I]
we'll
be
talking
about
today
to
orient
yourself.
The
[
z]
Aerovox
(
phonetic)
facility,
the
main
source
of
the
PCBs
131
is
up
in
the
northern
stretch;
the
harbor
is
bisected
by
[
4]
the
135
Bridge
and
the
Coggeshall
Street
Bridge
and
down
[
q
to
the
south
is
the
Hurricane
Barrier.

KY
The
whole
size
of
the
harbor
is
about
1,000
[
7]
acres.
To
pul
it
in
prospective
with
some
other
large
[
a]
PCB
sites
that
you
may
be
aware
of,
the
PCB
contamination
191
was
very,
very
extreme.
Just
off­
shore
at
the
Aerovox
[
lo]
plant
it
was
in
the
hundreds
to
thousands
of
parts
per
[
ii]
million.
As
we'll
talk,
those
hot
spots
were
cleaned
up
1121
in
`
94
and
`
95.
There
remain,
however,
still
highly
(
131
contaminated
areas
of
the
harbor
as
well
as
the
many
[
14]
shoreline
areas.
Still
in
the
tens
of
thousands
of
parts
[
isi
per
million.

[`
61
Four
key
points
that
we
hope
everyone
c.
an
take
[
i
71
home
today.
The
fist
one
is
that
contrary
to
popular
[
ia]
belief
there
are
human
health
risks
in
addition
to
[
iq
ecological
risks
at
the
siteThe
fact
that
so
much
PCB
1201
mass
was,
you
know,
disposed
into
the
harbor,
PCBs
[
ar]
accumulate
within
the
marine
food
chain
and
we
humans,
as
1221
consumers
of
lobsters,
tlounder,
clams,
et
cetera,
fmd
­____­
~__

[
II
that
the
local
seafood
is
highly
contaminate
­
well
[
21
above
both
the
FDA
level
of
two
parts
per
million,
and
a
[
a]
site
specific
level
that's
a
hundred
times
less
than
that
~
41
that
assumes
someone
who
eats
purely
local
seafood
as
[
SJ
opposed
to
the
FDA
level.

161
We'll
be
talking
about
the
fact
that
we
know
we
[
7]
have
to
measure
the
project's
success.
We'll
talk
about
[
a]
how
we
do
that.
We'll
also
talk
about
the
relationship
)
(
91
between
the
annual
funding
and
the
cleanup
­
length
of
[
IO]
Ihe
harbor
cleanup.
And
as
Mayor
Kalisz
alluded
to,

[
I
I]
we'll
talk
about
some
of
the
broader
impacts
that
the
[
IZ]
harbor
cleanup,
we
believe,
brings
to
the
communities.

I131
A
little
bit
of
background.
First,
we'll
talk
a
1141
little
bit
about
the
picture.
This
is
looking
at
the
[
is]
northerly
most
part
of
the
harbor
south.
This
is
Wood
~
161
Street.`
l'his
is
the
Aerovox
FacilityThis
is
195.
So
[
17;
just
Lo,
again,
orient
you.

1181
I'CR
USC
began
in
the
early
4Os.
Two
factories
1
[
iq
used
it,
but
by­
and­
large
it
was
the
Aerovox
facility
/
[
zo]
that
caused
the
lion's
share
of
the
problem.

p1
In
`
79
the
Stale
enacted
a
fishing
ban
on
18,000
/
(
221
acres,
including
the
1,000
acre
harbor,
as
well
as
17,000
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[
I]
acres
of
surrounding
Buzzard's
Bay.
In
`
83
it
was
named
[
z]
as
the
State's
priority
Superfund
site.
In
`
88
we
did
p]
one
of
our
first
pilot
dredging
studies,
as
well
as
a
141
disposal
pilot
study.
In
1990
we
signed
the
Hotspot
ROD.

[
s]
In
`
94,
we
started
cleaning
up
the
five
acre
hotspots.

[
s]
In
`
98,
after
spending
a
considerable
amount
of
time
in
a
[
7]
facilitated
consensus
building
process
with
just
about
[
a]
every
stakeholder
you
can
imagine,
we
finally
came
up
[
g]
with
a
cleanup
plan
for
the
whole
harbor
that
everybody
[
to]
could
live
with.
We'll
talk
a
lot
about
that
today.

[
111
In
`
99
we
amended
the
Hotspot
ROD
to
gel
rid
of
1121
on­
site
incineration,
which
had
developed
to
be
quite
a
~
131
controversy
and
we
changed
the
remedy
to
include
off
site
~
141
disposal
of
the
dredge
sediments.
In
2000
we
did
an
1151
early
cleanup
of
some
contaminated
shoreline
areas
under
1161
the
second
ROD,
as
well
as
we
did
a
state
of
the
art
~
171
dredging
study
that
Jim
will
talk
about
as
well.

[
I81
Just
recently,
as
a
matter
of
fact
this
will
be
1191
the
first
stop
of
the
tour,
we
cleaned
up
a
seven
acre
­

[
zo]
the
northern
most
part
of
the
harbor,
north
ofWood
(
211
Street.

WI
Again,
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
Human
Page
14
111
Health
and
Ecological
Risks.
This
map
shows
the
18,000
lz]
acres
that
the
State
enacted
the
fishing
bans
on,
as
~
31
divided
into
three
areas.
Again,
here
is
the
main
[
4]
harbor;
Hurricane
Barrier.
Excuse
me.
You
can
see
that
151
the
lobster
ban
continues
out
quite
a
way
into
Buzzard's
[
6]
Bdy.

VI
Human
Health
Risks.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time,
you
181
know,
under
the
Superfund
process
quantitjring
the
risks
191
and
found
that
on
a
probable
basis,
a
weekly
ingestion
of
[
IO]
local
seafood,
the
risks
were
40
times
higher
than
the
[
i
I]
lowest
allowable
risk
per
the
Superfund
process.
That
is
[
XX]
a
concern.
Even
though
the
State
fishing
ban
is
in
[
ia]
place,
it
doesn't
have
any
enforcement
mechanism
in
the
,141
State
ban
and
given
the
kind
of
demographics
of
the
area
1151
with
the
Environmental
Justice
Components,
large
emigrant
[
js]
population,
we
find
that
there
is
a
lot
of
consumption
~
171
lishing
in
the
harbor.

[
101
In
addition,
to
the
seafood
risks,
there's
risks
[,
9]
to
children
and
the
like
who
interact
along
the
banks
of
1201
the
river
and
the
harbor
in
the
inter­
tidal
zone
between
~
211
lugh
and
low
tidc'l'hose
risks
were
about
four
times
(
221
higher
than
the
ahwdbk
Superfund
standards.
_­

Page
15
[
iI
Moving
onto
the
ecological
risks,
any
biologist
[
z]
would
tell
you
that
there
is
a
grave
risk
herc.
Thirty
131
times
­
the
water
colonist
is
contaminated
higher
­

[
4]
much
higher
than
the
allowable
water
quality
criteria
of
[
s]
.03
parts
per
triUion.
Wc
have
about
one
part
per
[
s)
billion
routinely,
about
30
times
higher
than
that.
The
(
71
sediment
PCB
levels
are
thousands
and
lens
of
thousands
[
a]
times
higher
than
a
one
part
per
million,
which
is
kind
[
g]
of
a
rule
of
thumb
standard.
Many
biologists
would
say
IO]
it
should
even
be
lower
for
a
safe
level.

111
So
that's
kind
of
the
quick
thumbnail
on
the
121
nature
of
the
PCB
problem.&
Mayor
Kalisz
said,
it
has
131
been,
you
know,
a
20
year
effort,
but
I
think
one
of
the
141
messages
we
want
everyone
to
go
home
with
is
that
wc
arc
151
on
the
cusp
of
implementing
the
cleanup
and
we'll
be
161
talking
a
lot
about
that
today.

171
This
is
the
cleanup
plan
that
WC
came
up
with
in
is]
`
98,
again
after
spending
a
lot
of
time
with
the
191
consensus
building
process.
Again,
here's
the
IIurricane
zo]
Barrier,
195,
Wood
Street
and
the
Acrovox
facility.

?
i]
The
areas
in
red
depict
the
areas
above
the
!
z]
cleanup
level
called
for
in
the
Record
of
Decision
that
Page
16
111
will
be
dredged.
The
cleanup
plan
five
years
ago
lz]
included
these
four
shoreline
disposal
facililies.
As
131
you
might
imagine,
that
generated
a
lot
of
controversy,

'
41
but
we
did
a
lot
of
educdtion
and
outreach.
WC
talked
s]
about
the
positive
beneficial
reuses
of
the
CDFs
and
61
convinced
everyone
that
that
was
a
plan
that
made
sense.

71
However,
last
year
after
spending
a
lot
of
time
a]
doing
detailed
design
on
the
CDF
"
D",
WC
eliminated
that
91
particular
CDE
It
was
largest
CDF.
It
was
the
most
o]
complicated.
It
wds
in
the
Stale
designated
port
arca
of
I]
the
harbor.
It
was
in
the
deepest
water.
It
had
a
lot
21
of
silty
soft
bad
foundation
sediments,
if
you
will.
hnd
3]
we
found
that
it
was
just
­
it
ma&
more
SenSe
from
a
41
number
of
standpoints
lo
delete
that
CDF
in
favor
of
offi
s]
site
disposaLAnd
that
off­
site
disposal
is
another
key
6)
piece
that
we'll
be
talking
about.

71
Ii's
a
massive
cleanup
­
880,000
cubic
yards
01
a]
sediment.
We
put
that
in
lay
terms
to
help
people,
kind
91
of,
wrap
their
arms
around
what
that
means.
It's
about
o]
125
football
liclds
three
feel
deep,
including
the
end
i]
zotics.
You
tight
wan1
to
chatngc
that
(
0
a
lx~
schall
21
analogy
age
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111
Another
important
point
thal
we
pointed
out
to
[
ii
contaminated
less
than
50
parts
per
million,
which
will
121
pcoplc
is
that
we
found
that
about
a
half
a
pound
of
PC13
[
z]
allow
us
a
little
bit
more
economical
off­
site
disposal
(
31
per
day
fluxes
from
the
upper
harbor
north
of
195
1
[
3]
options.

[
41
seaward.
WC
found
that
to
be
a
real
call­
to­
arms
in
[
sI
terms
of
needing
to
clean
up
the
harbor
as
soon
as
(
61
possible.

I71
(:
lcanup
goals
in
the
ROD.
We
used
kind
of
a
[
a]
menu
of
cleanup
levels
depending
on
land
use,
depending
191
on
habitat
and
where
in
the
harbor
­
whether
or
not
it's
[
lo]
in
the
port
area
or
in
the
salt
marshes.

IllI
In
terms
of
the
timeframes
to
mitigate
the
[
rz]
dif'fcrent
risks,
obviously
once
we've
cleaned
up
a
~
131
shoreline
are
there
was
an
immediate
mitigation
of
the
[
IJ]
dcrmal
risks
that
we
talked
about.
However,
because
some
[
I;]
of
the
cleanup
levels
had
to
be
higher
than
we
really
[
16]
ideally
would
want
it
to
be,
some
of
the
timeframes
to
1171
meet
water
quality
goals
and
the
seafood
FDA
criteria,

[
ia]
according
to
the
modeling
that
was
done,
will
take
(
191
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
10
years
to
attain.

WI
1
mcntioncd
carlicr
briefly
that
we
have
a
site
[
zi]
spccif>
c
seafood
goal
that's
a
hundred
times
lower
than
pz]
the
l;
l>
A
Icvcl.`
I`
hat
will
take
even
more
time
after
10
Page
18
(
11
years
because
of
some
of
the
compromises
we
had
to
make
[
n]
in
the
cleanup
levels.

[
31
And
with
that,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Jim
[
41
13rown
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
cleanup
process
,5]
11sclf.

161
MR.
BROWN:
Thanks,
Dave
Dave's
done
a
good
171
job
explaining
what
the
cleanup
plan
is
and
what
our
[
SI
cleanup
goals
arc'l'hcsc
next
series
of
slides
I'll
talk
[
s]
about
how
we're
going
to
implement
that
plan
and
how
[
lo]
wc`
rc.
going
to
mcasurc
that
we
have
successfully
[
I
11
implemented
that
plan.
This
slide
is
also
on
the
post
[
IZ]
board
over
there.
If
it's
easier
to
look
al,
you
can
113)
look
al
the
poster
board.

['
41
`
l'hc
cleanup
process
is
achially
fairly
simple.

[
i
51
WC
would
have
a
dredge
operating
in
the
harbor
­
the
1161
upper
harbor
or
the
Iowcr
harbor.`
l'hc
dredge
slurry
will
11~
1
IX
pt~
mpcd
to
a
dcsanding
lacility
that
we'll
bc
~`
81
constructing
over
the
next
several
months.
hnd
the
[
49]
tlcsancling
fzicility
will
scparatc
the
coarse
grain
[
zol
material
from
the
scdimcnts
and
our
belief
at
the
moment
[?
A]
is
that
the
majoriiy
of
the
coarse
grain
material
that
we
p;`:
scparatc
from
the
highly
contaminated
sediments
will
be
L41
`
The
slurry
separated
from
the
sand
will
be
ISI
pumped
a
little
bit
over
a
mile
to
a
dewatering
facility
[
s]
A
couple
of
slides
from
now
I'll
explain
to
you
why
it
is
171
that
the
dewatering
facility
is
separated
by
over
a
mile
[
aI
from
our
base
of
operations
at
Sawyer
StreetAt
the
[
9]
dewatering
facility,
the
slurry
will
be
dewatered
using
[
IO]
platen
framed
dewatering
technology
and
a
filter
cake
[
ii)
that's
generated
will
be
transported
off
site
either
by
LIZI
rail
or
by
truck
or
a
combination
of
truck
and
rail.

[
I31
The
water
that's
squeezed
out
of
the
sediments
[
14j
will
be
pumped
back
to
our
Sawyer
Street
facility
where
[
ISI
we're
expanding
our
water
treatment
plant,
and
that
water
[
isI
will
be
treated
and
discharged
to
the
upper
harbor.

(
171
The
next
slide,
Stacy.
Let
me
talk
a
little
bit
118)
more
about
the
dcwatering
facility.
The
dewatering
[
I91
facility
encompasses
an
area
of
about
four
and
a
half
[
zo]
acres.
It's
currently
under
construction.
I
believe
[
ZI]
that's
stop
number
four
on
our
bus
tour,
so
we'll
talk
~
22)
about
it
more
there
and
you'll
be
able
to
get
a
better
Page
20
[
II
look
at
the
size
of
the
facility
and
what
we've
[
z]
accomplished
to
date.

w
When
completed,
the
dewatering
facility
­
if
141
funding
were
not
an
issue,
if
we
were
able
to
get
funding
151
at
the
rate
that
WC
could
spend
the
money,
we
would
be
I
'
!
161
dbk
to
dredge
about
1,600
hundred
in
situ
cubic
yards
of
i
17~
sediments
per
day,
which
when
dewatered
amounts
to
about
[
a]
800
cubic
yards
of
filter
cake
that
we
would
produce
at
191
the
dcwatering
facility
or
about
1,200
tons
of
filter
[
IO]
cake
tkdt
we
could
transporl
off
site
daily,

[
I?
NCXL
slide,
Stacy.
l'he
reason
why
our
[
IZ]
dewatering
facility
is
separated
by
over
a
mile
from
our
[
i3]
sand
separation
f&
ility
and
our
water
treatmenl
plant
is
~
141
so
that
we
could
take
advantage
of
the
potential
for
(
151
transporting
our
sediment
­
our
dewatered
sediment
off
[
is]
site
via
rail.`
I'his
is
really
the
only
spot
in
the
1171
harbor
where
we
could
actually
link
up
to
an
existing
1
[
i
a]
railyard
in
the
city
of
New
Bedford.
So,
even
though
it
1191
is
quite
a
distance,
the
pump,
it
is
more
economical
to
(
201
locate
it
here
and
take
advantage
of
the
rail
option
for
~
[
Z~
J
transporting
filter
rake
off
site,
which
we
bclicvc
is
a
/
(
221
more
economical
way
of
off
site
transportation.

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I'
1
It
is
my
understanding
that
later
today
in
a
111
And
in
the
long­
term
we
have
plans
to
do
bcnthic
[
z]
wrap­
up
session
during
a
brown
bag
lunch
that
Mayor
[
z]
mo,
itoring,
which
we've
actually
already
started.
Wc'vc
131
Kalisz
wiU
be
making
a
presentation,
and
I'm
sure
during
[
31
done
baseline
benthic
monitoring
and
prior
to
doing
an)

~
41
that
presentation
he'll
be
talking
a
lot
more
about
the
[
4]
sort
of
major
work
out
in
the
harbor
we'll
also
another
[
5]
city's
plan
reuse
of
this
area.
[
5]
round
of
benthic
monitoring,
which
includes
physical,

[
s]
Just
as
a
note,
the
railyard
that
wiU
be
~
[
s]
chemical
and
biological
monitoring.

17)
connecting
to
our
dewatering
facility
­
we'll
actually
L71
We're
going
to
be
doing
local
seafood
monitoring
[
a]
be
constructing
a
rail
spur
that
will
connect
the
[
al
and
we'll
be
doing
long­
term
water
quality
monitoring
to
[
g]
existing
railyard
to
our
dewatering
facility
­
is
a
[
g]
see
that
we've
eventually
reached
that
ambient
w~
tcr
[
IO]
Superfund
removal
site
and
a
Brownfield
site.
[
lo]
quality
criteria
for
I'CBs.

[
I
11
This
slide
sort
of
wraps
up
in
a
little
bit
more
11
11
Although
we
haven't
started
the
U­
scale
(
121
detail
exactly
how
we're
going
to
implement
the
cleanup
[
IZ]
dredging
yet,
we
have
done
quite
a
bit.
In
this
next
~
131
plan.
It
shows
alI
of
the
major
components
of
the
(
131
series
of
slides,
we'll
talk
Itbout
some
of
the
major
~
141
cleanup
plan
is
that
the
dredge
operates
in
the
harbor
[
i4]
accomplishments
that
we
have
made
out
in
the
harbor
to
[
is]
and
the
slurry
is
pumped
to
the
desanding
facility.
The
[
ISI
date.

~
161
remaining
slurry
after
the
sand
is
separated
is
pumped
[
I61
Design
work.
Tltis
is
a
very
large
complex
[
17]
down
to
our
dewatering
faciIity.
The
falter
cake
will
be
~
[
IT]
project.
I
won't
do
through
this
cntirc
list
of
design
[
la]
transported
off
site
by
rail
or
by
truck
or
a
combination
1191
of
truck
and
rail,
and
the
water
is
pumped
back
to
the
[
zo]
Sawyer
Street
facility,
treated
in
our
water
treatment
[
21]
plant
and
the
water
is
discharged
to
the
upper
harbor.

WI
Dave
went
over
what
our
project
goals
are
and,
­

Page
22
[
I]
of
course,
it's
very
important
to
measure
­
to
come
up
(
21
with
some
very
good
performance
measures
to
show
that
~
31
we've
implemented
the
project
successfully.
We
need
to
[
4]
come
up
with
measures
of
success,
not
only
that
wc
[
5]
achieved
the
cleanup
goals
­
the
four
different
cleanup
[
6]
goals
that
Dave
talked
about
depending
on
where
we
arc
in
[
rl
the
harbor
­
but
also
that
we've
achieved
the
ultimate
[
a]
goal
of
folks
being
able
to
eat
the
fish
safely
and
that
[
gl
we've
achieved
the
ambient
water
quality
criteria.

[
lOI
Our
short­
term
goals,
initially
we
will
­
as
11
I]
soon
as
the
dredging
is
complete
we've
come
up
with
about
[
lz]
45
dredge
management
units,
all
about
five
acres
in
size.

~
131
As
soon
as
we
complete
one
of
those
dredge
management
[
14]
units
we'll
do
our
confiimatory
sampIing
to
make
sure
[
is]
that
we've
achieved
the
cleanup
goal
in
that
area.

(
161
Also,
as
we're
implementing
the
dredging,

[
17]
dcsanding
and
dewatering,
we'll
be
doing
a
significant
[
ia]
amount
of
air
moniloring
to
make
sure
that
the
ambient
[$
g]
levels
are
not
at
levels
that
are
unacceptable
for
human
1201
health
and
we'll
be
doing
some
significant
water
quality
[
zj]
monitoring
to
make
sure
that
we
have
no
adverse
shorl­

EE]
term
impacts
to
the
environment
during
the
dredging.

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.~~
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[:
221
disposal
that
r&
uired
a
bit
of
rework.
But,
you
know,
ie]
activities.
We'vT
spent
approximately
$
40
,
Million
on
1.
191
design
to
date
smce
1998.
Of
course,
WC
did
some
major
zo]
re­
engineering
P
four
concept
by
elimina6ng
one
of
the
211
confined
disposal
Facilities
in
favor
of
off­
site
Page
24
[
I]
we've
also
had
to
collect
6,000
new
sediment
samples
to
[
z]
belter
characterize
the
area
and
vertical
extent
of
the
[
3]
problem.

[
4]
You
know,
we
needed
a
very
accurate
characterization
lol­

151
our
cost
estimates.
If
you're
off
by
20
pcrccnt,

[
6]
880,000,
it
can
make
­
it's
a
h~
lgc
difference
ill
cost.

[
7]
So,
we
did
want
to
collect
quite
a
few
samples
out
there.

PI
We
did
perform
some
state­
of­
the­
art
dredging
[
g]
studies,
which
1'
11
talk
about
later
on.
We
have
around
IO]
200
access
agreements,
so
there
has
been
quite
a
bit
of
II]
dialogue
out
in
the
community.
Some
of
those
access
121
agreements
didn't
come
right
away,
so
it
required
some
131
knocking
on
the
door
and
some
dlscussions
with
various
141
folks
to
get
voluntary
access.

1151
We
are
involved
in
some
extensive
archeological
[
IG]
investigations
out
there.
Thc
Wampanoag
Nation
dud
[
17]
inhabit
this
arca
in
the
past
and
wcrc
required
by
the
[
is]
%
tiOfKit
IIistoric
I'rescrvation
Acl
to
do
o?
lr
(
191
investigations
in
areas
that
we're
going
to
bc
removing
[
zo]
sediment
and
shorclinc
material
prior
to
doing
the
work.

WI
We
have
dcsignccl
two
of
lllc
conlinccl
disposal
[
22]
facilities
and
CSO
rclocaliorls
­
this
last
one
I'll
­

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ig]
bucket
with
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positioning
on
it.
It's
hydraulic
in
the
[
is]
incineration,
but
in
the
end
all
that
everyone
could
1201
sense
that
the
sediment
is
dropped
into
this
hopper
and
1201
agree
to
was
off
site
transportation.
So,
around
15,000
~
211
then
it
is
slurricd
and
pumped
to
the
shoreline.
So,
1211
yards
of
highly
contaminated
sediments
were
transported
~
221
it's
a
combination
mechanical
and
hydraulic.
1221
out
of
the
harbor
in
1994
­
it
was
dredged
in
`
94
and
­­­­

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26
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28
[`
I
IJut
the
real
primary
objectives
thal
we
hzd
12)
investigating
this
technology
was
lo
figure
out
how
131
accurate
we
could
be
horizonlduy
and
vertically
with
a
[
4]
projccl
of
this
size.
a
couple
hundred
acres
plusThe
!
5]
t@
llcr
you
can
make
your
vertical
accuracy
the
more
161
cconom~
cally
you're
going
to
complete
your
clcanup.
Wc
[
7~
want
to
dredge
to
our
cleanup
levels,
but
we
don't
want
[
a]
to
over
dredge
too
much.
If
you're
over
dredged
by
a
[
s]
l'oo~.
880.000
cubic
yards
isn't
going
to
grow
to
well
[
lo]
over
a
million
cubic
yards.

["
i
So,
WC
wanted
to
see
just
how
accurate
WC
could
[
rz]
contain
ourselves
vcrtically.
Wc
also
wanted
to
know
how
113)
accuralc
wc
could
be
horizontally
also.
whcrc
we
are
in
1141
the
harbor
and
WC
wanted
to
come
up
with
reliable
dredge
1151
production
rates.
I
low
quickly
could
WC
implement
the
ji6j
cleanup?
And
wc
wanted
to
lind
oul
with
this
system
1171
rcaily
how
high
WC
could
make
the
percent
solids.

[
is]
Minimizing
the
amount
of
water
that
you
dredge
up
reduces
c:
sl
your
water
Lreatment
and
handling
costs.

WI
So
what
we
concluded
was
that
the
dredging
!?
I]
ac`
curacv
that
WC
could
get
0111
of
a
systrm
like
this
is
I)
21
pItIs
or
minus
four
inches
vertically,
plus
or
minus
about
111
`
45,
removed
from
the
harbor
in
2000.
Removed
from
New
(
21
Bedford
in
2000.

[
31
`
l'his
slide
here
­
wouldn't
you
know
it,
there
[
41
just
happened
to
be
15
high
voltage
power
cables
that
[
sl
were
running
through
the
most
contaminated
area
of
our
[
6]
site.
So
WC,
obviously,
can't
dredge
in
that
area
with
~
71
some
old
high
voltage
power
cables,
the
location
of
which
[
al
is
plus
or
minus
about
100
feet.

PI
What
we
had
to
do
is
we
worked
with
a
local
[
IO]
power
utility,
NSTAR,
who
really
wanted
to
update
their
[
I
11
power
grid
anyway.
They
had
to
bring
in
a
new
power
line
[
I
21
to
the
city
of
New
Bedford.
So,
WC
worked
with
them
on
a
[
ia]
cost
sharing
arrangement
to
relocate
these
power
cables.

[
14]
`
I'hc
government
paid
75
percent,
the
local
utility
paid
25
[
I
51
percent.
And
what
we
did
was
we
would
locate
off
the
[
16]
upper
harbor
one­
half
width
at
a
time,
we
excavated
a
[
I~
J
clran
corridor
to
put
a
new
power
cable
conduit
in,
and
[
is]
WC
completed
this
effort
in
2001.

1'
91
So,
we
have
a
clean
corridor
to
relocate
the
[
zo]
existing
power
cables
too,
and
the
city
of
New
Bedford
is
`
l?
i]
getting
an
updated
powerline,
1
I5
kilo
bolt
line
to
the
I
:
I
[
z]
city
01
New
l)
cdford.
And
over
the
next
couple
of
years
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111
mention
only
because
it's
consumed
vast
quantities
of
[
I]
a
foot
and
a
half
horizontally.
It
had
very
limited
12)
Dave's
time
and
my
time.
Real
estate
acquisitions
and
[
z]
impacts
on
air
and
water
quality.
We
did
extensive
(
31
business
relocations.`
Fhese
issues
are
very
time
[
al
amount
of
water
quality
sampling
and
air
sampling
during
141
consuming.
It's
never
too
early
­
if
you
have
real
[
4]
this
test.
And
our
production
rate
in
water
greater
than
151
estate
issues
on
one
of
your
projects,
it's
never
too
[
51
four
feet,
where
you're
not
impacted
by
tidal
influences,

16)
early
to
start
resolving
your
real
estate
issues.
[
s]
you
can
dredge
around
the
clock
without
worrying
about
[
71
We
did,
in
1988/
89,
perlbrm
some
evaluations
of
(
71
the
tides,
is
about
95
cubic
yards
an
hour,
and
in
Ia1
various
dredging
technoiogies
and
we
did
dredge
the
hot
[
al
shallower
areas
between
two
and
four
feet
our
production
(
91
spot
areas
in
`
94
and
`
95.
So.
we
did
have
a
lot
of
[
g]
rate
is
estimated
to
be
about
35
cubic
yards
an
hour.
(
101
expertencc
in
dredging
New
Bedford
IIarbor.
But
from
1995
[
lOI
All
these
perimeters
were
critical
in
[
ill
to
2000
we
thought
there
were
some
significant
[
I
II
determining
the
total
project
cost
and
time
to
complete.
(
121
improvements
in
the
area
of
dredging
technology
and
we
[
I21
Dave
talked
about
his
background
part
of
the
(
131
did
want
to
demonstrate
one
of
the
latest
and
greatest
[
ia]
presentation.
We
did
take
care
of
five
acres
of
the
most
~
141
state­
of­
the­
art
dredging
technologies.
[
14]
highly
contaminated
area
of
the
harbor
in
`
94
and
`
95.

I?
51
So
in
the
summer
of
2000
we
contracted
with
BEAN
[
is]
Those
were
arC%
S
of
the
harbor
that
were
contaminated.
(
161
Environmental
to
provide
us
this
state­
of­
the­
art
~
161
Well
above
4,000
parts
per
miUion.
They
were
dredged
,171
mrchanical
hydraulic
dredge.
It's
mechanical
in
the
[
I
71
from
the
harbor
in
`
94
and
`
95.
The
Record
of
Decision
[
ISI
scnsc
that
it
is
a
bucket
­
it
is
an
environmental
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amended
in
1999.
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originally
called
for
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[
i]
we
will
be,
little­
by­
little,
rerouting
the
power
from
[
z]
the
existing
location
to
the
new
cable
conduit
and
we'll
131
be
ready
in
time
for
our
full
scale
dredging
next
fall
I41
Dave
Dickerson
will
go
over
some
of
the
more
[
s]
early
action
works
that
we've
done
and
some
of
the
other
[
s]
significant
accomplishments
that
we've
made
over
the
last
[
7]
few
years.

PI
MR.
DICKERSON:
Thank
you,
Jim.
I
mentioned
[
g]
that
the
background
­
or
in
the
background
that
we
[
lo]
accelerated
some
of
the
cleanups
in
certain
areas
where
[
I
I]
the
shoreline
land
use,
paired
with
the
high
shoreline
[
lz]
PC13
levels,
really
required
some
attention
sooner
than
1131
the
full
scale
dredging
allowed,
and
this
so­
called
early
[
14]
action
area
was
in
the
northern
most
stretch
of
the
[
15]
harbor.
Residential
neighborhoods,
background
­
back
[
16]
yards
with
20,000
parts
per
million,
for
example.
So,
we
[
17]
decided
again
to
attack
those
early
on.

[
I81
This
shows
the
cleanup
­
we're
in
somebody's
[
19]
back
yard.
The
house
is
just
off
the
screen.
It
[
zo]
certainly
doesn't
look
like
a
harbor
site,
but
this
is
[
zi]
the
Acushnet
River.
It's
more
riverine,
but
it
still
[
zz]
gets
the
tidal
influence.
So
we
removed
the
shoreline
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30
[
I]
sediments,
trucked
them
down
to
our
Sawyer
Street
base
of
[
z]
operations
for
temporary
holding
until
we
get
the
full
[
LI]
scale
dewalering
facility
up.
We'll
be
stopping
at
the
141
Sawyer
Street
stop
during
the
tour.

El
This
is
what
the
area
looks
like
after
the
[
6]
excavation
with
the
reStOratiOn
Stahng.
Moving
from
[~
j
that
early
action
in
the
same
general
neck
of
the
woods
[
a]
we
then,
just
this
last
winter,
attacked
a
larger
seven
[
s]
acre
area.
I
mentioned
this
earlier,
but
just
to
give
[
lo]
you
a
little
detail.
Some
of
the
shoreline
levels
are
11
t]
shown
here,
up
to
46,000.
This
is
the
early
action
area.

[
lz]
This
is
the
Wood
Street
Bridge.

1131
Basically
what
we
did
­
you
can
hit
that
next
[
14]
bullet,
Stacy
­
is
we
blocked
off
the
Acushnet
River
[
IS]
from
the
north
and
the
high
tide
from
the
south
so
that
~
161
we
dried
up
the
riverbed
over
the
winter
and
were
able
to
1171
excavate
those
sediments
in
the
dry.
We
completed
the
[~
a)
excavation
just
this
last
March
and
we're
doing
the
salt
[
js]
marsh
planting
now.
I
believe
we'll
see
some
of
the
[
XI]
planting
as
we
go
up
there
today.

Prl
`
I`
hls
is
what
the
river
looked
like
last
winter.

[
a~]
Everyone
compbdincd
about
the
brutal
cold
of
the
weather,
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31
[
I]
but
it
really
was
good
for
us
because
we
could
put
heavy
[
2]
equipment
out
further
in
the
riverbed.
I
think
­
can
[
3]
you
back
up,
Stacy?

r41
What
I
want
to
mention
on
this
is
these
two
[
s]
large
plastic
pipes
are
the
bypass
river.
We
had
to
set
[
s]
up
a
bypass
pumping
system,
which
allowed
us
to
dry
up
[
7]
the
riverbed.
There's
still
some
water
from
some
small
[
a]
brooks
and
combined
sewer
overflows
and
groundwater
[
s]
discharge
and
run­
off,
all
that
good
stuff,
but
for
the
io]
most
part
we
dried
up
the
riverbed.

111
Here's
the
salt
berm
that
is
still
in
place
121
today.
We
had
to
wait
until
the
spring
immigration
01
131
the
anadromous
fish
run
was
over
before
we
could
lake
it
141
down.
That
was
a
hard
schedule
­
milestone.
We
had
to
151
complete
the
excavation
by
March
15th
before
the
spring
[

,[

[
16]
fish
run
started.
Apparently,
we've
come
to
learn
that
~
1171
if
you
mess
up
a
fish
run
it's
forever.
So,
we
didn't
`
1.
[.
181
want
to
mess
up
the
fish
run.

191
This
is
a
picture
of
the
Phase
I
restoration
!
o]
with
the
river
bypass
still
in
pldce.
Agdin,
here's
the
!
I]
pipes
for
the
river
bypass.
And
this
­
at
this
stage
~
21
the
contaminated
sediments,
both
in
the
riverbed
and
the
Page
32
[
I]
shoreline
banks,
have
been
removed
and
the
shoreline
[
2]
banks
have
been
replaced
with
clean
backfii
and
erosion
[
3]
protection.
And
what
happened
is
we
waited
until
the
(
41
weather
warmed
up
before
we
planted
the
salt
marsh
and
­

[
5]
up
in
the
buffer.

161
We're
going
to
also
show
some
recent
progress
[
r]
moving
down
towards
the
dewatering
fdcitity.`
bis
slide
[
a]
hopes
to
set
the
stage
for
those
photos
to,
hopefully.

[
g]
increase
your
understanding
of
all
the
dominoes
that
had
[
IO]
to
fall
before
we
could
build
a
dewatcring
facility.
I
[
i
I]
mean,
it's
a
very
crowded,
dense
urban
harbor
that
we're
[
iz]
working
in.
We
had
to
move
utilities.
We
had
to
move
[
13]
businesses.
We
had
to
move
sewers,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.

[
I41
So,
the
fist
one
­
again,
here's
the
previous
(
151
shoreline.
The
white
line
here
is
the
heavy
duty
marine
[
16]
bulkhead
that
we'll
see.
Before
WC
built
that
we
had
to
~
[
17]
work
with
the
city
to
relocate
a
combined
sewer
overflow
[
ie]
in
the
swell.
We
were
trying
to
do
it
in
a
smart
way
[
is]
that
works
in
concert
with
the
overall
city's
combined
[
zo]
sewer
overflow
master
plan
rather
than
just
moving
it
~
211
south
of
the
facility,
tar
cxamplc.
It's
the
same
cost
[
zz]
fbr
us,
but
a
better
product
for
thr
city.

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`
l'hcre
was
a
barge
towing
operation
that
moved
(
21
material
out
to
the
islands
here.
We
had
to
relocate
the
[
3]
Packer
Company
up
to
this
area.
However
­
you
can't
14:
really
tell,
but
this
area
h?
ppened
to
be
an
abandoned
151
lot
with
about
15
abandoned
fishing
vessels
just
dumped
[
6]
of1
short.
So.
we
had
to
rcmovc
the
fishing
vessels,

171
which
we
would
have
had
to
do
anyway
because
the
iSI
underlying
scdimcnts
were
contaminated
with
PCBs.
But
it
191
also
facilitated
the
relocation.

[
jOI
WC
also
­
to
move
Packer,
we
had
to
do
~
111
envlronmcntal
drcdging.
That
will
be
coming
up
this
LIZI
summer.
Once
we
clear
the
area
WC
have
to
build
Packer
a
~
131
new
facility
and
dig
him
a
replacement
channeLAnd
on
(
141
either
side
of
the
facility
there's
also
other
businesses
[
ljl
that
we've
been,
you
know,
building
sustaining
116)
relationships
with
and
compensating
them
for
Superfund
1171
related
impacts.`
l'hey
pale
in
comparison
to
the
Packer,

[
ia]
but
ncvcrthcless,
as
you'll
see
when
we
go
there
­

1191
For
cxamplc,
there's
a
big
seafood
company.

[
zo]
`
I`
hcre's
a
pharmaceutical
and
seafood
packaging
company.

[
zi]
`
l`
hc):
at
first,
didn't
warm
up
to
the
idea
of
a
large
(
221
Sup'crl'und
facility
across
the
street,
but
we
worked
[
I]
future
accomplishments.

PI
MR.
BROWN:
Thanks,
Dave.
Well,
you
see,
we
[
s]
have
done
quite
a
bit
actually
to
date
­
excuse
me.
The
[
41
pollen
count
must
be
about
bazillion
out
there
today.

[
s]
Rut
we
still
have
quite
a
bit
to
do
also.

PI
Dave
did
mention
that
­
did
a
good
job
~
71
describing
the
marine
bulkhead
that
we
constructed
to
get
[
a]
us
the
acreage
we
need
to
complete
our
dewatering
[
g]
facility.
We
haven't
actually
started
construction
of
[
IO]
the
building
yet,
but
that's
going
to
start
soon.
We
1111
have
actually
awarded
the
contract
for
site
prep
for
the
[
iz]
foundation
and
for
the
building.
So,
our
contractor
`[
13]
should
be
out
there
shortly
and
we
plan
to
start
the
~
141
foundation
work
in
July
and
scheduled
to
complete
the
[
js]
actual
building
in
March
of
next
year.

1161
The
rail
spur
connection,
the
connection
from
[
17]
the
dewdtcring
facility
to
the
railyard
right
across
the
[
IBJ
street,
WC
plan
on
starting
construction
in
September.

[
19]
And
you'll
see
a
common
denominator.
We're
trying
to
[
zo]
linish
up
everything
by
summertime
next
year
­
June
­

[
21]
so
that
we're
ready
to
start
our
full
scale
dredging
in
[
zz]
Scptembcr
of
next
year.

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111
cxtcnsivcly
with
them
to
show
them
that
we
really
had
a
­

[
z]
"
you
know,
an
iron
tight
game
plan
that
really
was
a
~
31
safe
plan
for
the
neighborhood.

VI
,
Znd
then
last,
hut
not
k?
aSt,
WC
had
to
build
[`
I
We'll
be
starting
construction
of
the
water
[
z]
treatment
plant,
you
know,
this
fall
and
the
desanding
131
facility
construction
will
start
next
winter.
The
[
41
estimated
start
date
is
January.
151
the
bulkhead,
about
a
$
IO
Million
construction
job,
to
[
EGI
give
us
the
elbow
room
and
the
square
footage
we
needed
171
for
the
four
and
a
half
acre
facility.

PI
Illis
is
what
the
boatyard
area
looked
like
(
91
before
we
cleaned
it
up.
Again,
this
is
lo
make
way
for
[
lo]
the
Packer
business
rclocation.
This
is
another
view
of
:>
1:
the
abandoned
vcssels.`
l'his
is
during
the
cleanup.

[
I%]
A4oving
to
the
dcwatcring
area
itself,
this
is
113;
the
lx~
lkhcad
that
1
mentioned.
This
is
the
bulkhead
(
141
under
construction
last
winter
with
the
bay
frozen
­
the
[
jsj
harbor
frozen.
Hem's
another
view
of
thr
bulkhead.

1161
I~
ccausc
it's
in
;
I
state
designated
port
area
WC
had
to
[
I
71
lit1
11
so
that
it
would
withstand
marinr
vessel
loads.

,181
It's
kind
of's
­
(
inaudible)
­
dam
structurc.
Again.

[
791
thcrc's
business
related
impacts
on
both
sides
of
the
[
XI]
bulkhcatt
where
it
tics
in
near
existing
water
dependent
1;"
J
i~
lr\
ln~
5scs.

?
2]
And
I
think
I'll
hand
the
mike
over
toJim
for
__
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L;
ull
scale
dredging.
We
do
want
to
start
next
[
s]
t`
all.
When
will
it
end?
It's
unknown
and
the
next
1
[
n
series
of
slides
will
talk
about
this
uncertainty
and
[
a]
when
we're
going
to
complete.

'
PI
When
we
complete
is
very
much
linked
to
our
[
lo]
annual
rate
of
funding
and
how
much
we're
going
to
get
[
i
11
every
year
is
totally
unknown
to
us.
We're
not
quite
[
12]
sure
from
year­
to­
year
exactly
what
the
funding
scenario
~
131
is
going
to
be.
So
this
slide
puts
together
various
1141
annual
funding
levels
and
shows
the
years
to
complete
and
1151
the
cost
to
complete
once
we
start
the
dredging.

[
I61
I
talked
about
that
dredge
study
that
we
did
in
(
171
the
summer
of
2000.
They,
you
know,
estimated
our
[
ial
maximum
dredge
production
rate
of
1,600
in
situ
cubic
[
ig]
yards
an
hour.
That
would
be
at
this
funding
leveLAnd
1201
Wc
would
bc
able
to
complete
our
project
in
four
years
)
(
211
and
a
total
end
of
cost
to
complete
once
we
start
the
)
[
221
dredging
would
be
$
290
Million.

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[
II
Some
various
funding
scenarios
here.
I
don't
[
I]
they
could
partake.

[
z]
think
it's
necessary
that
I
go
through
every
one
of
them.
121
'
re
also
use
broad
outreach
strategies.
l`
hcrc
I31
Our
annual
funding
level
at
$
15
Million
would
[
3]
are
three
municipalities
that
surround
the
site.
It's
[
4]
take
about
26
years
to
complete;
and
the
cost
to
complete
[
4]
18,000
acres
worth
of
a
site.
You're
looking
at
roughly
[
5]
would
be
$
395
Million.
$
15
Million,
you
know,
might
be
[
5]
120,000
people
in
the
surrounding
areas.
Clearly
not
all
[
6]
approximately
what
we're
going
to
get
next
year.
It
(
61
are
directly
impacted
by
the
site,
but
indirectly
one
can
(
71
doesn't
mean
that's
what
we're
going
to
get
every
year
[
7]
make
the
argument
that
they
are.
So,
how
do
you
reach
[
a]
from
now
on,
but
I
think
this
Committee
knows
as
well
as
(
81
all
120,000
people?
It's
a
challenge.
[
q
I
do
that
money
is
tight
at
the
moment
and,
you
know,
we
[
91
We
gear
to
maximizing
the
numbers.
We
have
a
[
IO]
might
be
talking
$
15/$
20
MiIIion
a
year
for
the
next
[
io]
mailing
list
of
over
1,000
­
I'm
sorry
­
over
4,000
[
I
I
1
couple
of
years.
[
I
11
people.
We
sent
out
fairly
regular
mailing
pieces,

[
j21
By
the
end
of
this
fiscal
year
we
will
have
[
12]
newsIetters.
We
used
the
local
cable.
It's
amazing
how
~
131
spent
approximately
$
100
Million
implementing
the
1998
(
131
many
people
actually
watch
the
cable.
WC
also
have
the
1141
cleanup
plan.
We
did
recover
in
the
early
90s
some
costs
1141
forum,
which
has
been
in
existence
for
years
and
has
been
(
151
for
the
cleanup
from
5
PRPs
who
settled
in
three
Consent
1151
an
important
part
of
providing
input,
although
its
(
161
Decrees
­
three
separate
Consent
Decrees
in
the
1990s.
[
IS]
dynamics
have
changed
over
the
years
as
one
would
expect.

~
171
Out
of
those
three
Consent
Decrees
we
recovered
[
ISI
approximately
$
66
Million
for
response
costs.
One
of
(
191
those
Consent
Decrees
has
a
reopener.
In
that
Consent
1201
Decree
EPA
reserved
the
right
to
reassert
its
claim
[
zi
J
against
the
PRPs
when
our
total
costs
exceed
$
130.5
[
zz]
Million,
and,
of
course,
you
saw
from
the
previous
slide
[
I]
no
matter
which
funding
scenario
our
costs
will
be
~
21
exceeding
that
reopener
amount.

[
31
MS.
GREENDLINGER:
I'm
going
to
talk
to
you
141
about
the
public
involvement
aspect
of
this
project,
as
151
you
can
tell
from
the
previous
sIides.
This
is
a
complex
[
q
site.
A
complex
site
demands
that
you
have
a
dynamic
[
7]
approach
and
that
your
­
your
approach
changes
as
[
EI]
situations
change.

PI
WC
go
beyond
the
legal
requirements
here
at
the
[
lo]
site.
An
example
would
be
referenced
was
mdde
to
the
[
it]
elimination
of
a
confined
disposal
facility
in
"
D"
and
[
121
going
off
site
instead.
Legally
we
only
have
to
do
a
(
131
public
notice
for
that.
We
felt
that
it
was
very
[
i4]
important
to
make
sure
that
the
community
knew
what
was
(
151
going
on
and
also
to
provide
them
the
opportunity
to
give
[
I71
We
also
have
really
started
to
employ
targeted
1181
outreach
invol<
ement
efforts.
As
we're
starting
to
go
[
iq
into
neighborh
b
ods
that
are
effecting
particular
pockets
[
20]
of
the
commur&
y,
we
are
gearing
upwards
to
try
to
reach
a
1211
those
pockets.
n
example
would
be
the
Wood
Street
arca
1
[
zz]
where
you
just
saw
the
work
being
done
with
the
near
dry
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[
i]
conditions.

PI
Well,
an
example
would
be
we
went
door­
to­
door
~
[
3]
to
give
advance
notice
to
the
people
in
that
community
[
4]
what
was
about
to
happen
in
literally
their
backyards.

[
s]
We
provided
newsletters
explaining
what
they
should
[
6]
expecl
what
impacts
might
have.
And
then
we
went
door­

[
7]
to­
door
in
the
mid­
process
to
check
in
with
them.
110~
is
[
a]
it
going?
Were
there
any
concerns?
And
we
did
hear
from
[$
I
people
­
I'm
concerned
about
truck
traffic.
I'm
[
lo]
concerned
about
air
monitoring.
And
we
were
able
to
bc
[
ii]
very
responsive
and
get
them
the
current
information
:
12]
immediately
at
that
time.

:
131
And
then
we
followed
up
with
a
door­
to­
door
near
:
14]
the
end
of
the
completion
of
that
project,
again
with
a
:
is]
newsletter
letting
them
know
what
had
happened,
what
[
16]
LIS
input
into
the
decision
making
process.

['
71
So,
we
went
ahead
and
we
had
an
informational
[
ISI
meeting,
as
well
as
having
an
official
public
comment
[
19]
period
in
a
public
hearing
so
that
we
could
capture
the
1201
thoughts
and
concerns
that
the
community
might
have,
and
[
zjj
WC'
did
cxtcnsivc
publication
about
those
different
(
221
efforts
so
that
people
really
knew
what
was
going
on
and
[
i6]
accompIishments
and
what
wds
Ielt,
so
that
they
had
very
[
17]
clear
expecldtions.

Ii&
Another
example
of
targeted
involvement,
as
Dave
[?
g]
and
Jim
have
both
mentioned,
WC
work
very
closely
w1t11
[
ZO]
the
businesses
that
wc'rc
impacting.
We're
building
thi:,

:
ZI]
huge
Fdcility
right
in
their
fron:
yards
or
backytrcls
and
1
[
zz]
working
with
them
on
a
monthly
basis.
No1
only
working
/
­­­.

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1
[
i]
together
to
identiljl
any
kind
of
issues
and
to
resolve
[
z]
them
immediately.

PI
When
we
heard
that
the
workers
were
concerned
[
4]
about
airborne
I'CBs,
we
immediately
put
together
a
151
newsletter
addressing
that
and
put
that
out
in
Spanish,

[
6]
I'ortugucse
and
English
to
all
of
their
workers
and
[
7]
distributed
that.

PI
Seafood
consumption
is
a
driving
concern
at
the
(
91
site.
We
are
working
with
the
Massachusetts
Department
[
lo]
of
Public
IIealth,
as
well
as
the
City
of
Social
Service
[
I
I]
to
develop
an
outreach
effort
there
and
we're
going
to
be
[
iz]
targeting,
particularly
­
at
least
as
a
first
step,

1131
pregnant
women
and
young
children
who
are
most
at
risk
1141
from
a
health
prospectivc.
And
we'll
be
employing
the
[
15]
medical
community
to
help
us
get
that
word
out
to
the
[
16]
pcoplc
who
are
most
at
riskAnd
again,
that's
another
[
I
;
J
example
of
the
type
of
targeted
involvement
activities
[
18]
and
awareness
campaigns
that
we're
employing
and
as
1191
things
change
and
as
different
issues
come
up
we'll
[
20]
remain
dynamic
in
our
approaches.

12'
1
MR.
DICKERSON:
As
you
can
see,
we
have
a
tag
[
221
[
cam
going
here
today.
111
be
available
for
reuse.
You
know,
it's
right
on
the
121
harbor
and
it
will
have
a
rail
spur
connecting
it
to
the
131
city's
redeveloped
railyard.
So
it's
kind
of
a
back
to
[
4]
the
future
concept.
In
centuries
past
the
harbor
was
Is]
lined
with
rail
spurs
connecting,
you
know,
the
marine
[
6]
commerce
to
the
inland
areas
and
we
hope
to
kind
of
(
71
regenerate
thal
concept.

181
As
you'll
see,
the
railyard
has
fallen
into
[
q
disrepair.
The
city
is
actively
working
to
redevelop
[
IO]
that
now.
Some
of
you
who
came
in
by
195
you
might
have
,
II
I]
noticed
the
new
rail
structure
right
there,
Route
18.
So
1121
signs
of
this
redevelopment
are
starting
to
happen.

LiZI
Again,
promotion
of
land
use
changes.
We
have
a
~
141
few
slides
that
show
what's
happening.
We
certainly
[
is]
don't
take
complete
benefit
for
some
of
the
shoreline
[
16]
changes,
but
we
think
the
cleanup
certainly
plays
a
good
~
171
part
in
having
that
community­
at­
large,
hopefully,

[
IB]
reconnect
with
the
harbor
as
a
recreational
and,
you
!
I91
know,
valuable
resource
as
opposed
to
a
waste
disposal
:
201
area.

WI
We
talked
a
lot
about
the
north
ofWood
Street
[
zz]
arez'l'his
used
to
be
a
lumberyard.
The
city,
I
think,
Page
43
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42
111
`
l`
hc
last
of
the
major
points
that
we
wanted
to
[
i?]
make
toddy
wds
that
beyond
the
specifics
­
and
as
you've
13;
heard
today
there
are
thousands
of
them
at
the
Harbor
[
4]
cleanup
itself
­
we
believe
and
have
found
that
there
is
IS]
kind
ol'
a
broarlcr
impact
to
the
community
in
terms
of
[
q
both
cconomir
developments
and
community
benefits
in
~
71
Icrms
of
land
use
cl­
ranges
and
the
like.
We're
going
to
1~)
show
a
few
slides
that
talk
about
that
now.

PI
The
lirsl
we've
talked
about
a
little
bit.
I
:
lci]
mentioned
the
dewatcring
titcility
is
smack
dab
in
the
[
I
11
State
designated
port
area,
so
it's
almost
like
an
­

1121
(
Inaudible)
­
if
you
want
to
USC
SuperFund
speech.
That
1131
wc
had
to
build
it
up
to
port
standards
so
that
it
1141
wouldn't
be
a
waste
of
money
for
the
government
to
build
[
ISI
at
lower
standards
that
would
not
be
available
for
reuse
116)
as
part
ot
the
port
facility.
And
we've
worked
very
`
li]
cloacly
with
the
city
and
the
Ilarbor
Development
1101
(:
ommlssion
to
ensure
that
they
have,
you
know,
a
reusable
:
i9]
properly.

Wl
And
so
the
bulkhead
itself
will
IX
rated
for
:
Plj
zoriimc~
rcial
vessels,
as
I
mcntioncd.
Thc
dewatcring
(
2?]
warchousc
will
bc
a
50,000
square
that
lacility
Ihat
will
­
­­.~­.­
­­­___

Page
44
1
111
used
a
lot
of
vision
to
designate
that
as
a
shoreline
[
2]
park
­
future
riverside
park.
As
you'll
see,
we
used
131
that
area
in
the
transition
between
lumberyard
and
park
1
141
as
a
staging
area
for
the
Wood
Street
cleanup.

[
51
Right
across
the
river
is
Achusnet's
Riverview
[
q
I'ark.`
l'hey
all
kind
of
sound
alike.
Riverside
­

[
7]
Riverview.
But
it's
a
nice
little
park
we'll
also
visit
[
al
on
the
first
stop.
There's
a
few
new
land
trusts
that
[
s]
have
popped
up
and
there's
a
couple
properties
that
I'm
[
lo]
aware
of,
anyway,
both
north
and
south
of
195
that
have
[
I
I]
been
bought
for
both
conservation,
habitat
enhancement
(
121
and
educational
and
open
space
purposes.

[`
31
Another
exciting
aspect
we've
seen
is
some
of
1141
the
mills
are
starting
to
be
renovated
for
various
~
151
things.
This
one,
in
particular,
for
assisted
living.

[
is]
They
did
a
real
nice
job
renovating
that
facility
and
1171
reusing
it.

Cl81
Another
key
piece
that
really,
in
my
mind,
might
1191
be
emblematic
of
this
transition
of
shoreline
land
use.

[
zo]
This
is
our
Sawyer
Street
base
of
operations.
Right
next
(
211
door
used
to
be
this
large,
four/
five
story,
you
know,

(
221
typical
old
brick
mill
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of
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[
I]
this
nice
urban
neighborhood
from
the
waterfront.
That
[
z]
came
down
in
the
mid­
90s
and
­
it
was
the
same
time
we
[
3]
were
building
consensus
for
the
harbor
cleanup
­
and
the
[
4]
idea
sprouted
and
green
some
strong
roots
that
maybe
this
[
s]
would
be
a
good
place
for
a
nice
public
park.

IsI
The
Natural
Resource
Trustees
­
we
did
mention
[
7]
this
­
but
they
got
a
significant
amount
of
settlement
[
a]
funding
as
well
from
the
Superfund
litigation.
They
have
[
g]
kicked
$
2
Million
in
to
help
the
city
get
this
park
off
[
io]
the
ground.
And
perhaps
once
we're
done
with
our
Sawyer
[
t
I]
Street
area
that
might
become
Phase
II
of
this
­

[
I21
(
inaudible).

[
I31
So,
I
think
that's
about
it.
Again,
the
key
1141
points
just
to
­
not
to
sound
like
a
broken
record,
but
[
is]
there
are
human
health
risks
as
well
as
ecological
risks.

[
16]
We
are
taking
pains
to
measure
ourselves
and
prove
that
[
17]
the
project
is
successful
over
both
the
short
and
long
[
ia]
term.

[
I91
We've
talked
about
the
relationship
between
the
[
zo]
budget
crisis
and
the
timeframes
for
the
cleanup,
and
[
zi]
last
the
broader
economic
and
community
aspects
of
the
[
zz]
remedy.
I
think
we'll
take
questions
both
now
and
on
the
­___­.
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45
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47
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46
[
I]
bus
tour.

121
MS.
GREENDLINGER:
Our
thought
was
that
we
would
p]
just
take
some
clarifying
questions
here
while
we're
in
[
4]
the
room
and
then
we'll
start
­
I
will
continue
the
[
s]
discussion
on
the
bus
since
we're
all
going
to
bc
on
the
[
6]
same
bus.

[
71
MR.
LOEHR:
A
couple
of
clarifying.
Jim.

PI
MR.
DEROUIN:
Dave,
you
commented
on
the
mass
[
g]
flux
of
PC&.
What
was
that
­
a
daily
basis?

1101
MR.
DICKERSON:
Yes.

[
Ill
MR.
DEROUIN:
And
is
that
computed
on
a
steady
[
IZ]
state
condition
or
after
dredging
began?

[
I31
MR.
DICKERSON:
That
was
baseline,
absent
any
~
141
dredging
measured
right
at
a
convenient
sampling
point
at
[
15]
the
Coggeshall
Street
BridgeThat's
what
we
found
was
[
i6]
happening.

1171
MR.
DEROUIN:
What
was
the
source
of
that
flux,

(
la]
if
there
have
been
no
new
PCB
discharges
into
the
water,

[,
91
per
se,
over
the
course
of
years?
Is
this
just
the
[
ZO]
washing
of
lhcm
from
surface
sediments?

1211
MR.
DICKERSON:
Yeah.
Let
me
back
up.
I
,221
misspoke.
Half
a
pound
was
what
we
found
during
the
[
i]
hotspot
dredging.
Other
studies
had
also
found
­

[
z]
previous
studies
have
found
that
without
any
dredging
[
3]
there
was
also
a
considerable
flux
seaward.

141
But
we
think,
yes,
that
the
­
Acushnet
River
[
s]
flow,
even
though
it
is
a
tidal
area,
that
most
of
the
(
61
PCBs
will
eventually
­
slowly
migrate
to
the
southern
~
71
lower
harbor
areas.
It's
very
shallow.
We
didn't
[
a]
mention
that.
So
it's
­
you
know,
wind,
storms
come
up
;
191
and
­

1101
MR.
DEROUIN:
Is
the
flux
greater
during
[
i
I]
dredging
than
in
steady
state
or
non­
dredging
conditions?

[
121
MR.
DICKERSON:
We
found
that
the
flux
was
[
13]
extremely
much
lower
than
the
acceptable
level
that
we
1141
had
developed
for
ourselves
for
the
dredging
program.

[
IS]
And
we
really
didn't
think
WC
developed
a
101
of
flux
[
16]
from
the
dredging
itself
So,
1
don't
­
especially
at
[
17]
that
point
when
we're
dredging
about
a
mile
away
from
the
[~
a]
sampling
point.
So,
we
don't
think
that
the
dredging
[
rg]
impacted
a
lot
of
that
flux.

[
201
MR.
DEROUIN:
Okay.
So
you
don't
think
that
the
[
21]
dredging
upstream
is
going
to
increase
the
amount
01
[
zz]
material
you're
going
to
have
to
remove
downstream
as
a
____­.

I21
MR.
DICKERSON:
The
short
answer
is
yes,
if
we
[
3]
do
it
correctly,
which
we've
done
now
three
times.
We
[
4]
worked
with
the
EPA
laboratory
­
research
laboratory
in
[
s]
Narrangansett,
Rhode
Island,
to
come
up
with
what
the
[
6]
acceptable
levels
of
flux
would
be.
That
if
we
exceeded
~
1
those
flux
levels
we
would
have
measurable
increases
of
[
a]
PCBs
in
the
lower
harbor
sediments.
As
I
said,
we
were
[
g]
far,
far
below
that.
And
those
have
been
published
lo]
papers
in
peer
review
journals.
So,
we
feel
pretty
II]
positive
about
that.

121
MR.
LOEHR:
I
have
four
questions
up.
That's
131
all
I'll
take
right
now.
Otherwise,
we
could
probably
141
spend
the
whole
morning
in
here
asking
questions.

I51
But
we
do
have
a
tour
and
we
can
continue
to
ask
161
questions
on
the
tour
and
then
we
will
be
coming
back
171
here
again
for
follow­
up
in
a
closing
type
of
thing.

181
Let
me
just
continue
on
the
four
and
I'll
ask
191
the
rest
of
you
to
hold
your
comments
and
tackle
them
!
a]
either
as
sidebars
going
in
and
going
out.
or
on
the
1x1s
~
11
and
so
forth.

?
2]
Tom,
Ed,
Sue
and
Gr:
mt.`
Lbm.

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Ill
MR.
NEWLON:
I
just
had
a
quick
question
­
111
mine.
But
we
wanted
to
do
the
sediments
first
before
we
[
z]
(
inaudible).
Jim
was
saying
about
three
contamination
[
z]
do
the
shoreline
wetlands
because
we
didn't
want
to
risk
~
31
pl;~
ccs
whet­
c
you
lirst
dredged
that
were
­
you
know,
20
/
[
3]
recontaminating
expensive
wetlands.

~
41
percent,
whatever,
10~.
When
you
go
back
and
look
at
[
q
those
areas,
given
that
there
is
pretty
high
sediments
[
6)
close
by
still,
are
you
gelling
recontamination
of
those
171
original
cleaned
up
areas?

PI
MR.
BROWN:
WC
haven't
started
the
full­
scale
[
s]
dredging
yel,
so
it's
­
it's
hard
10
give
you
a
definite
101
answer
on
that.
Wc
did
do
some
­
live
acres
of
hotspot
I
I]
dredging,
but
we're
only
trying
to
get
down
10
4,000
121
parts
per
million
in
that
area
from
that
­
you
know.
I
131
think
our
highest
hit
out
there
was
13
percent
PCBs.

141
What
WC
have
been
finding
from
the
pilot
151
dredging
studies
that
we
did
in
the
iate
SOS,
from
the
161
hotspot
dredging
that
WC
did
in
`
94
and
`
95,
Liom
the
171
pllot
dredging
that
we
did
in
2000,
is
that
the
dredging
181
operation
ilself
is
having
minimal
impacl
on
water
1s)
quality
and
suspension
is
really
not
as
bad
as
we
would
zo]
have
thought
it
would
have
been.

211
MR.
NEWLON:
I
was
wondering
more
about
just
the
zz]
existing
conditions.
Not
the
dredging
picking
up
new
Page
50
~

if]
stul'l,
but
just
existing
conditions
fluxing
things
[
Z]
aroLlnd.

131
MR.
DICKERSON:
We
do
have
some
conformational
I41
MR.
BROWN:
Was
your
question
­
I
think
I
[
s]
finally
understood
your
question
toward
the
end.
You
161
really
weren't
worried
about
the
impacts
of
dredging.

171
Just
what's
normally
going
on
out
there
day
in
and
day
[
a]
out?

PI
MR.
NEWLON:
Right.

LlOl
MR.
BROWN:
Yeah.

1111
MR.
NEWLON:
I
mean,
even
if
you
do
­
forget
(
121
dredging
for
a
minute
and
just
­
if
you
take
25
years
to
[
131
clean
something
up
and
in
the
meantime
you've
got
this
(
141
hot
shlff
sitting
there
washing
around
and
all
that.

1151
MR.
BROWN:
Well,
as
we
said,
there's
about
a
[
i6]
half
a
pound
flux
per
day
going
through
the
Coggeshall
[
171
Street
Bridge.

wi
MR.
DICKERSON:
Which
is
this
one
right
here.

[
191
MR.
BROWN:
But,
you
know,
the
waste
disposal
[
zo]
practice
started
in
the
40s.
We've
been
fmding
that
the
[
zl]
majority
of
the
problem
is
still
contained
in
the
upper
1221
harhor.?`
hc
lower
harbor
does
have
areas
that
are
going
[
4]
or
recontamination
samples.
When
WC
did
the
early
action
[
5]
cleanup
in
2000.
I
think
it
was.
that
lirst
accekzrated
[
ti]
clcan~~
p
we
did
­
and
you're
absolutely
right
to
point
[;
I
out
that
recontamination
is
a
big
challenge
here
in
a
[
a]
site
like
this
where
you've
cleaned
up
arcas.`
I'he
Is]
question
is
is
it
going
to
gel
rccontaminalcd
just
hy
[
IO]
nalural
proccsscs
since
the
rest
of
the
harbor
is
still
;`
i]
highly
conlaminated
I$;`
1
So.
we
wanted
to
measure
that
after
we
did
the
;!
3:
shorclinc
cleanups.
It
was
the
first
slcp.
We
knew
it
1141
was
a
little
bit
of
a
risk
because
of
that
very
issue
and
11
s:
wc`
vc
done
yearly
sampling
after
the
cleanup
was
done
and
[
Ifi]
WC'
have
not
found
increases
above
our
one
part
per
(
4
7!
million
cleanup
level
for
that
particular
land
use.

IlW
So.
that
kind
of
embolden
us,
if
you
will.

:,:
I]
`
l`
ha~`
s
;
tn
acccptablc
risk
to
take.
We,
thercforc,
took
[
201
th(.
next
step
Lo
do
hc
seven
acre
north
ofWood
Street
i:>
t]
clc:
mnp
Ix~;~
usc.
in
gcncral,
our
strategy
will
hc
to
I?
21
tlrc~
tlsc
lhc
sul~
fitlal
­­
dnd
Lhls
isjim's
lixte
more
than
Page
52
111
to
be
part
of
the
cleanup
also,
but
still
the
vast
~
2)
majority
of
the
mass
of
the
PCBs
are
still
north
of
the
(
31
Coggeshall
Street
Bridge.
And,
you
know,
it's
been
­
it
[
4]
started
in
1940.

151
MR.
LOEHR:
Ed.

El
MR.
LORENZ:
I
noticed
that
almost
everything
is
(
71
located
on
the
New
Bedford
side
of
the
harbor.
Is
there
[
a]
a
technical
or
political
reason
for
that?

PI
MR.
DICKERSON:
By
everything,
you
mean
­
well,

[
IO]
certainly
the
contamination
is
on
both
sides
of
the
[
I
11
harbor.

lfiZ1
MR.
LORENZ:
Ilight.

I[
131
MR.
DICKERSON:
I
assume
you
mean
the
confined
1141
disposal
facilities
and
the
various
cleanup
[
I51
infrastructures.

lr61
MR.
LORENZ:
AU
your
facilities
are
located
on
1171
one
side;
your
disposal
area
­

LIeI
MR.
DICKERSON:
Yeah.

1r91
MR.
LORENZ:
When
you
look
at
­
the
did
not
use
[
zo]
properly,
there
seems
lo
be
more
on
Ihe
other
side
of
Ehe
j
pi]
river.

j22]
MR.
DICKERSON:
Yeah.
It's
the
combination
of
­.­.­
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111
everything.
Certainly
there
is
that
political
undertone
[
z]
that
Fairhaven
thought
that
New
Bedford
carried
the
131
burden
of
the
problem.

(
41
But
from
a
technical
standpoint
it
made
sense
to
(
51
put
the
confimed
disposal
facilities
on
the
New
Bedford
[
61
shore
because
we
gain
the
benefit
of
the
deep
­
the
very
10
deep
sediment
contamination
that
was
within
the
[
B]
footprints
of
those
facilities
that
we
then
didn't
have
[
91
to
dig
up.
So,
it
made
technical
sense
as
well
as
­

['
01
<
End
tape
one,
side
one.)

IllI
MR.
BROWN:
­
industrialized
area
for
­
you
1121
know,
since
the
1800s
and
earlier,
so
the
shoreline
has
(
131
already
been,
you
know,
impacted
by
man.
It
already
has
(
141
all
the
anthropogenic
impacts
over
time
whereas
on
the
[
ISI
Acushnet
side
it's
pretty
more
a
natural
shoreline,

~
16)
natural
wetland
area.
So
that
was
another
reason
why
we
117)
didn't
want
to
for,
you
know,
ecological
value
reasons
(
181
build
structures
over
there.

1191
MR.
LOEHR:
Sue.

WI
MS.
BRIGGUM:
Yeah.
You
mentioned
that
the
~
211
Trustee
had
kicked
in
$
2
AMillion
to
assist
with
some
1221
rehab.
Was
that
most
of
the
recovery
or
how
much
else
is
­~­
I_­­­­­

111
out
there
that
might
help
these
projects?

121
MR.
DICKERSON:
I
think
they
have
over
$
20
­

131
total.
I
don't
know
if
they
all
still
have
it.
They've
~
41
been
starting
to
spend
it.
They
have
more
than
$
20
[
s]
Million
or
had
more
than
$
20
Million
from
the
sale,

[
s]
including
interest.
As
well
as
we
have
gained
about
$
43
17~
Million
in
interest
from
our
original
$
56
Million
181
settlement.

IQ1
So,
I
think
the
$
2
Million
might
be
10
percent
[
IO]
of
their
total
$
20
Million.

L1
`
1
MS.
BRIGGUM:
And
they're
going
to
be
spending
[
jz]
it
later
on
this
project,
or
they're
spending
it
1131
elsewhere?

1141
MR.
DICKERSON:
The
­
I'm
sorry.
The
$
2
[
15]
Million
or
the
$
20
Million?

Cl61
MS.
BRIGGUM:
The
$
20
Million.

1171
MR.
DICKERSON:
They
have
gone
through
­
they
[
la]
are
starting
to
spend
it
now
and
they
will
continue
LO
1191
spend
it.

WI
MS.
BRIGGUM:
In
New
Bedford
on
this
­

P1I
MALE
VOICE:
No,
throughout
the
estuary.
Some
(
22)
parts
of
Dartmouth,
some
of
the
areas
that
have
been
­­___
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54
I[

[

I
I
[

I;

F
[:
[
I]
impacted.
Fairhaven,
Massachusetts;
the
West
Island
arca
[
z]
are
all
"
Jeneficiaries
of
this.
The
IIarborTrustccs
(
31
Council
has
a
very
tight
set
of
perimeters
of
which
they
[
4]
use
before
they
start
awarding
the
money.
IL
is
not
[
s]
everything
being
dumped
in
the
city
of
New
Bedford
and
(
61
its
­

(
71
MS.
BRIGGUM:
It's
not
all
associated
with
the
[
a]
site
itself
becdusc
­

PI
MALE
VOICE:
No.
The
entire
estuary
that's
lo]
within
the
area.
Now,
the
other
interesting
point
is
i
11
Dave
mentioned
that
for
much
of
the
period
after
the
iz]
award
­
the
cash
award
wds
made
by
the
Courts
and
the
131
money
was
put
into
this
fund,
it
wds
not
in
interest
141
bearing
accounts
and
tremendous
amounts
of
money
were
151
lost.
It
was
only
during
­
this
is
not
a
political
161
statement,
but
just
timeframe.

171
During
the
Clinton
administration.
when
an
la]
effort
was
led
by
Barney
Frank
to
put
the
money
omit
of
!
g]
Texas
banks
and
into
interest
bearing
accounts
so
that
!
o]
there
was
a
resitiual,
that
$
20
Million
grew
to
almost,

zr]
within
three
ye&
s,
$
26
Million
and
a
tremendous
amount
?
z]
of
money
was
b:
eing
put
­
growing
wilhin
the
availabiliLy
Page
56
[
I]
to
be
distributed.

(
21
It
is
a
very
slow
draw
down
on
the
bureaucratic
[
3]
side
from
Noah,
who
is
Ihe
administrator
of
the
fund,

[
4l
which
is
a
good
part.
But
there
is
an
cvcr
increasing
[
s]
amount
of
money
that
is
there
and
is
put
in
lhcrc
l'or
the
[
s]
remediation
of
the
coast
fines
in
this
estuary
as
it's
~
71
been
impacted.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Grant.

IQ1
MR.
COPE:
Yeah.
I
jusl
had
a
quick
question
[
ro]
regarding
the
Consent
Decrees.
It'
1
heard
you
right
you
[
I
I]
said
that
one
Consent
Decree
has
a
rcopcner
if
cost
[
iz]
exceed
and
then
if
thal's
­
if
that's
the
case,
whal
~
131
about
the
other
two.
Whal
happened
thcrc?
Why
dlon'(

~
141
they
have
reopeners?

1151
MR.
BROWN:
I
don't
know.
1
can't
answer
that.

[
is]
Part
of
a
settlement.
Maybe
Dave
was
around
back
then.

(
171
MR.
DICKERSON:
I
think
the
main
answer
.­
I
[
ra]
wasn't
around
then
either,
but
I'm
told
by
my
attorneys
[
IQ]
that
the
main
reason
was
th;
il
thy
were,
by
t',
lr,
the
most
[
zo]
culpable
party.

PII
MR.
BROWN:
The
one
with
the
rcopcncr
was
the
1221
most
culpable
party.
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59
[`
I
MALE
VOICE:
None
of
us
were
actually
involved
[
i]
of
the
Mass.
Department
of
Environmental
Protection
and
[
z]
in
that
­
(
inaudible)
­
ability
to
pay
issues
from
the
(
31
settling
parties
as
well
as
­
<
inaudible).
This
was
a
(
41
scttletuent
that
came
out
of
1itigation.
A
nice
little
is]
trial
that
went
on
for
quite
some
time
and
we
only
have
161
the
one
­
(
inaudible)
­
reopener,
which
we
are
[
7]
evaluating
along
with
the
Justice
Department.
Whether
or
[
a]
not
that
will
bear
anything
in
terms
of
losing
more
money
p]
for
the
cleanups,
I
don't
have
an
answer.

1101
MR.
LOEHR:
At
this
particular
point,
we
do
need
!
I
I]
to
move
on
to
the
tour.
Thank
you
all
for
holding
the
(
121
rest
of
your
questions.
I'm
sure,
as
I
said
before,
you
(
13:
coulcl
stay
in
here
for
the
whole
morning,
but
­

[
141
Let
mc
also
thank
Dave
and
Jim
and
Stacy
for
a
[
is]
great
presentation
­
(
clapping).

1161
They
also
will
bc
around
while
we
take
a
tour
1171
and
into
the
Visitor's
Center.
Thcre
arc
­
before
you
[>
a)
all
get
up.
WC
have
a
few
housekeeping
things.

I191
First,
let
me
turn
to
the
Mayor
and
then
I
need
1201
to
turn
lo
John
and
Molly.
Fred.

1211
MAYOR
KALISZ:
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
(
721
thcrc
is
a
number
of
suits
in
the
room
and
I'll
Page
58
il
L
1
characterize
them
as
that.
These
are
members
of
my
(
21
pcrsonncl
stafl`;
Mike
McCormick,
whom
you
have
seen
(
31
before,
my
Chief
of
Staff,
,
Matt'I`
homas,
the
City
~
41
Solicitor
for
the
City
of
New
nedford;
Scott
Elfonz
ISI
(
phonrtic)
i:,
in
the
back.
the
(
Iity's
llnvironmental
(
61
Planner.
Doug
Model&
who
is
a
graphic
specialist
with
my
171
oft&;
and
Danny
Romanowitz,
who
is
in
the
front.
These
181
pcoplc
are
around
throughout
the
day.

I91
If
for
some
reason
you've
got
to
get
back
to
the
[
IO]
hotel,
signal
one
of
thcm.
Therc
is
a
car
that
will
be
[
I
11
following
the
bus.`
l'hcy'll
get
back.
lf
you
need
;
121
anything
that
you
may
not
have
that
we
may
be
able
to
(
131
provide
for
you,
these
people
are
hcrc
to
provide
that
!
141
resourrc.

1151
Ihug
is
going
to
be
out.
If
any
of
you
want
to
[
16]
capture
a
picture
of
any
spccilic
element
of
the
site,

[
17]
that's
why
he's
around.
Just
tell
him
your
name
and
he
[
rs]
will
take
IX:
plctm­
c,
log
it
and
before
you
Icave
he
will
fig]
make
sure
that
you
have
what
you
riced
to
take
back
with
[
ZO]
)
Y)
l,.

[%
l]
MR.
CAVAGNERO:
Just
one
mot­
c
introduction.
Wc
1221
do
h;
n'c
I)
eirclrc
Mcnoyo,
who
is
the
Assistant
Commissioner
121
she
will
also
be
speaking
at
lunch.

PI
MS.
MAYO:
Rich,
are
there
any
others
you
might
141
want
to
introduce
to
the
rest
of
the
Subcommittee,
so
[
5]
that
they
know
there
are
some
other
resources
in
the
room
[
s)
that
will
be
on
the
bus
with
us.
I
just
want
to
make
[
7]
sure
you
have
some
names
with
those
faces.
Okay.
Great.

[
e]
Thanks.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Last
logistics,
Molly
­
John.

101
MS.
MAYO:
Yeah.
We
would
like
to
do
a
quick,

1
I]
maybe
hand
count
­
just
an
informal
hand
count
because
121
we've
got
a
lot
of
guests
­
for
how
many
people
will
I
31
want
lunches.
We
have
box
lunches
that
will
be
available
141
at
the
Visitor's
Center.
So,
if
you
could
raise
your
151
hand
real
high
and
we'll
do
just
a
quick
count.

`
61
All
right.
Thanks,
everybody.
And
so
$
10
also.

I
71
I'm
sorry.
Why
don't
we
leave
so
everybody
can
ruh
to
181
the
bathroom
real
quick.
You
can
leave
your
stuff
in
the
191
room
and
why
don't
WC
take
­
why
don't
we
make
sure
that
`
01
we're
on
the
bus
by
930
and
it's
right
out
in
front.

111
So,
you
have
a
couple
minutes
to
run
to
the
bathroom.

!
2]
(
End
tape
one,
side
two.)
­
I__
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111
(
Tour
of
site
by
bus.)

I21
(
A
lunch
break
was
taken.)

[
aI
141
PI
PI
[
71
WI
PI
IlO1
PUBLIC
MEETING
11
`
I
MR.
LOEHR:
­
quit
onThursday
at
noon.

1121
There's
a
lot
that's
been
done
since
the
last
meeting
and
,113)
I
compliment
all
of
you
who
have
took
part
in
the
many
[
14]
work
group
meetings
to
get
lo
where
we
are.
I'm
going
to
(
151
adjust
the
agenda
slightly
in
terms
of
the
presentations
[
t61
in
case
there's
some
of
the
audience
who
are
not
here
yet
~
171
LO
provide
a
statement
of
the
charge
and
the
summary
of
`[
IS]
the
last
meeting
and
so
forth.

Ii91
This
is
officially
then
the
opening
of
the
fifth
(
201
meeting
of
this
particular
NACEPT
Subcommittee.
It's
[;?
I]
been
a
year
since
we
started
this,
almost
to
the
day.
I
[
zz]
was
trying
to
look
it
up
and
see
if
it
was
exactly
the
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[
I]
day,
but
it's
the
same
time
period
that
we
got
together,

[
2l
June
`
02
in
Washington
DC
to
start
this.
And
I
did
not
p]
know
and
my
guess
is
none
of
you
knew
where
we
would
be
a
[
4]
year
from
then.

El
Well,
I
think
we
came
a
lot
in
terms
in
activity
IS]
and
synthesis
and
we
have
this
document
before
us
to
be
[
7]
able
to
synthesize
the
material
that
we
have.

PI
We've
also
had
some
changes
in
the
membership
of
[
g]
the
Subcommittee.
One
of
our
members,
Mark
Eastfeld
[
io]
(
phonetic),
had
to
step
away
for
some
personal
and
health
[
I
11
reasons.
But
we
have
two
other
additional
members
who
[
IZ]
have
joined
us
who,
for
the
first
time,
are
here,
and
for
[,
3]
the
audience,
but
also
as
a
reminder
for
all
of
us,
in
a
1141
minute
we'll
go
around
the
table
to
introduce
ourselves
[
is]
so
people
in
the
audience
know
who's
who
in
case
they
[
161
care
to
knowthat.

[
I71
But
we
have
two
individuals
who
are
joining
us
[
ia]
for
the
first
time
today
and
off
on
my
left
is
Doris
(
191
Cellarius
and
I'll
ask
her
to
just
briefly
give
us
a
[
20]
quick
rundown,
and
over
here
is
Gary
King
to
participate
~
211
as
well
and
bring
their
expertise.

WI
Some
of
you
have
also
asked
in
noticing
what's
­
­~
Page
61
Page
63
[
I]
in
the
report
and
the
list
of
everybody
about
Mark
and,

~
21
indeed,
we
will
list
him
in
there.
He
is
not
so
listed
[
a]
in
the
list
today
as
part
of
the
membership,
but
we
will
[
4]
so
do
that,
as
well
as
others
who
may
not
be
as
active
as
[
5l
WC
have
had
them
in
the
past.
But
everybody
will
be
[
s]
recognized
for
their
contributions.

VI
But
as
I
now
gave
you
a
little
hint,
Doris,

[
s]
maybe
you
can
give
us
a
quick
rundown
and
I'm
asking
Gary
[
g]
to
do
the
same
thing,
before
we
go
officially
around
the
(
IO]
table.

[
111
MS.
CELLARIUS:
Well,
thank
you
very
much.

[
A?]
Everyone
has
been
very
nice
­
(
inaudible)
­
to
meet
[
I31
people.

1141
I
live
in
Prescott,
Arizona.
I
moved
there
[
is]
three­
and­
a­
half
years
ago
from
Washington
State
where
I
[
16]
was
­
(
inaudible)
­
our
State
cleanup
program
called
­

(
171
(
inaudible)
­
site
specil%
ally.
And
in
Arizona
I'm
­

1181
(
inaudible)
­
about
Arizona
­
(
inaudible)
­
and
water
[
jg]
quality
issues,
and
1
­
(
inaudible)
­
Co­
Chair
for
the
1201
National
Sierra
Club,
which
is
an
oversight
of
all
of
OLIC
~
211
national
pollulion
commitlees,
air,
water
­
(
inaudible)

[
22]
­­..­
corporate
accountability.
[
II
So
this
is
a
very
bureaucratic
sort
of
job,
the
[
z]
Sierra
Club,
and
I
love
the
opportunity
LO
do
­

[
31
(
inaudible)
­
real
places
and
meet
the
people
who
­

[
41
(
inaudible).
So
thank
you
very
much.

El
MR.
LOEHR:
Thank
you,
Doris.
Gary.

161
MR.
KING:
My
name
is
Gary
King.
I'm
from
the
[
7]
State
of
Illinois
and
with
the
Illinois
EPA
there.
I'm
[
a]
kind
of
the
Senior
Manager
in
charge
of
cleaning
up
[
g]
messes.
So,
that's
­
and
did
many
years
of
working
on
[
IO]
State
program,
cleanup
sites
and
working
with
EPA
and
[
i
I]
various
projects.

[
121
MR.
LOEHR:
`
rhdnk
you.
Again,
welcome
to
both
~
131
of
you
officially
on
behalf
of
the
Committee.
I
know
~
141
you've
been
meeting
with
part
of
the
work
groups
and
part
[
is]
of
conference
calls
and
you
got
the
letters
liom
EPA
[
16]
appointing
you
and
so
forth.
But
it's
a
pleasure
to
1171
personally
have
you
here
participating
in
thcsc
sessions
[
ia]
for
the
next
two
days.

(
191
Let
me
also
just
now
go
around
the
room
for
the
1201
audience,
who
may
not
know
who
everybody
is,
in
case
you
[
ZI]
really
care
to
and
we'll
go
around
in
this
particular
[
22]
direction.
Myself,
John.
And
then
go
around.
.~

[
iI
And,
as
usual,
it's
simply
name
and
aff&
ation
[
2]
and
anything
else
that
you
care
to
say
for
the
record
and
[
3]
for
the
people
who
care
to
understand
that.

L41
But
I'm
Ray
Lochr,
the
Chair
01.
this
particular
[
5l
Subcommittee.
I'm
affiliated
with
the
University
of
(
6)
Texas
at
Austin.

[
71
PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
John
Ehrmdnn,
Meridian
Inslilule
[
g]
and
lead
facilitator
for
the
Subcommittee.

[
101
MS.
McMANUS:
Elizabeth
,
McManus
with
Ross
and
[
ii]
Associates.
We
are
working
with
Meridian
on
Ihc
[
iz]
facilitation.

[
I31
MR.
CARASEA:
Angelo
Carasca.
I'm
with
WA.

~
~
141
I'm
the
DFO.

[
IsI
MR.
JOCK:
Ken
Jock.
I'm
the
linvironment
[
16]
Division
Director
foor
Ihe
9.
Regis
Mohawkl`
ribe.

1171
MR.
LORENZ:
Ed
Lorcnz.
I'm
from
the
Pine
River
[
ia]
Community
Advisory
Group
in
Michigan
and
Alma
College
[
I91
MR.
DEWLING:
Dick
Dcwling.
I'm
the
President
[
20]
of
Dewling
Associalcs,
I~
nvironmental
I;
nginccrs
and
[
21]
Scientists.

PI
MR.
ELBERT:
Steve
Blbcrt,
BPAmcrica
­
age
61
­
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I
MR.
DEROIJIN:
Jim
Derouin.
I'm
lhe
[
z]
l~
nvironmental
Practitioner
in
Phoenix,
Arizona.

PI
MS.
CELLARIUS:
Doris
Cellarius,
Sierra
Club,

[
4]
Prcscott,
Arizona.
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65
1
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67
[
II
MR.
LOEHR:
Molly.

PI
MS.
MAYO:
Molly
Mayo,
Meridian
Institute.

131
MR.
LOEHR:
Thanks
all
of
you
for
doing
that
and
[
51
MS.
HERRERA:
Me.
I'm
Dolores
Herrera.
I'm
from
~
61
hlhuqucrquc,
New
Mexico.
I'm
a
career
activist,
I
guess,

(
71
over
SO
years
now.
I
strongly
represent
the
[
al
I!
nvironmental
Justice
movement
and
while
I
am
­
I
work
[
4]
hopehdly
it
will
help
the
audience
in
case
you
wish
to
[
5]
address
a
question
to
anybody
or
follow­
up
on
particular
[
6]
issues.

[
71
We
had
a
greal
morningThis
is,
of
course,
the
[
al
official
start
of
the
NACEPT
Subcommittee
activities,
but
(
91
on
­
(
inaudible)
­
in
my
Latin0
community
in
­

1~
01
(
inaudible)
­
and
my
community
in
San
Jose,
­

I"
1
(
inaudible)
­
<;
ounty,
hll~~~
querque,
New
Mexico.

L'?
MR.
HICKMOTT:
Bob
IIickmott,
Smith­
Fret
Group,

[
i3]
Washington
DC.

[
f41
MS.
HOUGHTON:
Aimee
Houghton,
Center
for
Public
[
I51
linvironmental
Oversight.

[
161
MS.
PETERS:
Vicky
Peters,
Colorado
Attorney
[
I?]
General's
Office.

1'
81
MR.
MITTELHOLZER:
Mike
Mittelholzer,
National
[
I91
Association
of'
Home
Buildcrs,
Washington
DC.

ra
MR.
NEWLON:
Tom
Newton,
Steel
Rives
in
Seattle,

1211
Washing!
on.

P;`
l
MR.
PUTNAM:
Iid
Putnam,
State
of
New
Jersey,

[
iI
Dcparlmcnt
of
Environmental
Protection.

PI
MR.
KING:
Gary
King,
Illinois
EPA.

PI
MS.
PROBST:
Kate
Probst,
Resources
for
the
[
4]
Future.

I51
MR.
SKAGGS:
Mel
Skaggs.
I'm
from
Dallas.
I
[
6)
work
for
InDepth
Environmental.
I'm
an
engineer.

i71
MS.
SUBRA:
Wilma
Subra,
Louisiana
Environmental
[
a]
Action
Network.

pj
MS.
WIENER:
l<
obin
Wiener,
Institute
of
Scrap
[
lo]
Recycling
Inclustrics.

[
I'
1
MR.
WHITE:
Jason
White
with
Cherokee
Nation.

[
12]
MR.
TILCHIN:
MikeTilchin.
CII2M
IIill.

[
I31
MS.
BRIGGUM:
Sue
Briggum,
Waste
Management.

1141
MR.
COPE:
<
irant
Cope.
I'm
an
Environmental
[
i5]
Allorncy
in
SeaLlle,
Washinglon.

1161
MR.
ADAMS:
l%
ill
Adams,
Kennecot
Utah
Copper,

[
IT:
Sail
I.;
rkc
City
1181
MS.
SUTHERLAND:
13ctsy
Sutherland,
Office
of
[
ICI]
limcrgcncy
and
Remedial
Response
in
Washington
DC.

[
ZO)
MR.
BREEN:
Barry
Breen.
I`
m
an
Deputy
1211
Assistant
Adminislralor
a1
thr
t;
S
Environmental
[
221
Protection
Agency
1
[
sl
we
had
a
great
morning
in
terms
of
a
site
visit
through
~
[
io]
and
around
New
Bedford.

`[
Ill
First,
for
those
of
you
that
weren't
here,
/

[
IZ]
leading
off
with
a
presentation
about
the
activities
and
,
ll31
a
bus
tour
of
specific
parts
of
the
site,
listening
to
(
141
the
sidehar
comments
and
so
forth
it
reinforced
my
own
~
151
personal
feeling
that
it
was
a
very
good
use
of
time
116~
understanding
that
and
so
forth
and
I
would
Iike
to
thank
[
I
71
Ihe
Mayor,
who
­
Fred
is
not
right
here,
but
Fred
~
181
Kalisz,
who
helped
facilitate
this
and
all
of
his
staff,

[
ig]
Mike
McCormick
and
all
­
et
al.
Mike,
I
don't
know
[
zo]
where
they
are.
Maybe
they're
ail
back
at
work
someplace
[
zl)
doing
things
to
accommodate
this.

I
also
would
like
to
thank
the
folks
from
the
fZZ!
~~~­
~­
.~.
­
.­..­~
­­­­_
___.
.­__­____­
Page
66
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68
111
EPA,
Rich
and
Dave
and
Jim
and
Stacy,
who
helped
do
this
[
z]
Is
Deidre
still
here
or
did
she
take
oft?
Deidre
Menoyo
[
3]
from
the
State
of
Massachusetts,
who
gave
a
fine
[
4]
presentation
at
the
luncheon
that
we
had
­
a
luncheon
IS]
that
was
a
presentation
of
a
box
lunch
that
we
had
and
[
s]
used
that
time
to
learn
about
more
of
the
facility.

I71
But
I
want
to
personally,
again,
thank
on
behalf
[
s]
of
the
Committee
all
of
those
who
did
such
a
fine
job
of
(
91
making
sure
we
understood
the
local
situation,
which
is
(
101
exactly
why
we're
here
to
see
the
real
sites,
the
real
[
I
1~
world's
activities.
And
thank
you
all
for
that.

[
I?
Before
getting
into
the
specifics
of
this,

(
131
Angelo
­
where's
Angelo?

'
941
MR.
CARASEA:
I
just
wanted
to
remind
you
that
[
ts]
the
brown
envelope
is
for
you
to
complete
your
travel.

(
161
It
is
appreciated
if
you
send
it
in
early.

[
I71
MR.
LOEHR:
`
l3~
ose
of
you
who
need
it,
it's
this
[
ia]
one.
Barry,
you
have
any
thoughts
or
comments
before
WC
(
191
move
on?

I
[
20]
MR.
BREEN:
Thank
you.
Just
one.
A
word
about
[
z!]
the
HI%,
OECA
members,
Phyllis
IIarris,
Larry
Starfield
[
zz]
and
I,
none
of
the
three
of
us
can
be
here
all
three
days
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[
i]
this
meeting.
My
daughter
graduates
from
high
school
[
z]
tomorrow
and
­
it
wasn't
even
a
close
call.
I'm
here
[
3]
where
I
had
to
be
and
in
Larry
and
Phyllis'
case,
it's
[
4]
similar.

ISI
Larry
will
be
here
tomorrow.
But
among
the
[
6]
three
of
us
­
and
none
of
us
will
be
here
on
Thursday.

[
7]
So,
among
the
three
of
us,
we
have
asked
Betsy
[
a]
Sutherland,
who
is
also
a
member
of
the
EPA
Senior
[
g]
Executive
Service
to
be
an
extra
OECA
member
for
this
[
IO]
meeting
and
to
be
here
for
you
and
to
help
keep
some
[
i
I]
continuity
with
EPA.

114
So,
I
wanted
to
make
sure
you
knew
­
my
~
131
apologies
actually.
Well,
it
was
unavoidable.
She'll
[
14]
graduate
once
in
her
life
and
I'm
there
for
her.
That's
1151
it.

Us1
MR.
LOEHR:
Thank
you.
Any
other
­
John,

(
171
Molly,
Elizabeth,
Holly,
administrative
things
before
we
[
it31
start
on
a
roll.

1191
MS.
MAYO:
Only
that
everybody
needs
to
get
meet
[
zo]
Holly,
that's
right,
if
you
haven't
already.

PII
MR.
LOEHR:
Where's
Holly?

PI
MS.
MAYO:
Holly
­
we'll
point
her
out
­

[
I]
(
inaudible)
­
Holly
Dodson.
(
Inaudible.)

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
And
we'll
say
more
later
about
the
131
logistics
around
dinner,
et
cetera.
So
we'll
still
focus
(
41
on
that
­

El
MR.
LOEHR:
Let
me
then
move
on
a
little
bit
to
Page
69
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71
[
iI
As
I
pointed
out,
we
have
had
a
considerable
[
2]
amount
of
effort
over
the
last
year;
fist
of
all,

[
3]
getting
to
know
each
other,
then
understanding
various
[
4]
points
of
view;
then
writing
things
down,
and
things
have
[
s]
been
pulled
together
into
what
we
have
now,
which
is
a
[
6]
frost
rough
draft.
And
that's
What
it
is.

~
[
71
It's
an
attempt
to
pull
things
together
from
~
[
a]
work
groups
that
have
not
really
attempted
to
cross
over
,
191
to
other
work
groups
as
much
as
they,
perhaps,
even
would
[
IO]
like.
It's
a
very
good
attempt
to
do
that,
but,
again,

[
I
i]
more
for
the
audience
it
should
not
be
read
as
anything
[
I
21
like
a
final
document.
And
some
people,
I
think,
are
[
I
31
perhaps
looking
at
it
like
that.

(
141
It's
almost
like
the
old
Yogi
Bear
saying
­
I
[
IS]
wasn't
there,
of
course,
but
­
what
is
attributed
to
[
16]
Yogi,
you
know,
it's
never
over
until
it's
over.
And
[
17]
sometimes
you're
not
even
too
sure
of
that.

[
I81
But
over
for
us
is
December.
All
right.
This
[
iq
is
the
beginning
of
the
polishing.
I
like
to
look
at
the
[
20]
kind
of
document
that
we
have,
the
diamond
in
the
rough.

(
211
We
think
inside
of
this
rough
thing
that
we
have
is
a
[
22]
true
diamond
that
we
can
have
some
thing
meaning
of
value
[
6]
some
comments
that
I
would
like
to
make
about
where
WC
[
q
are
and
where
we
think
we
would
like
to
go
and
what
we
[
a]
have.

[
91
Many
of
these
comments
probably
are
more
[
IO]
appropriate
for
the
audience
and
so
those
of
you
around
[
I
11
the
table
will,
perhaps,
be
reminded
more
than
find
a
[
12]
whole
lot
new
with
that.

[
I31
And,
Molly,
if
you
could
kind
of
bring
that
up.

114)
There's
a
handout
that
you
have
in
front
of
you.
It's
(
151
called
a
Review
of
Draft
Final
Report,
Overview
Comments,

[
16]
and
my
name
is
on
the
first
piece
there.
And
I
only
1171
bring
it
to
your
attention
because
I
think
it's
important
[
le]
for
the
audience
especially
to
make
it
very
clear
where
[
19]
we
are
and
what
we
have.
I
perceive
from
calls
I've
got
[
zo]
and
some
of
you
have
seen
things
in
the
mail
and
in
print
[
z]
that
suggest
something
different
and
I
would
like
LO
1211
clarify
that.
Page
70
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"
72
(
20)
[
I]
for
the
Agency
and
a
value
for
those
who
might
read
the
[
2]
report.

01
But,
like
fmding
a
diamond
out
in
a
field,
it's
[
4]
got
to
be
polished.
It's
got
Lo
be
chipped
away.
It's
[
s]
got
to
be
roughhewed
into
something
that
people
will
look
[
6]
at
and
say,
hey,
wow,
that's
nice.
And
that's
what
we're
[
7]
about
to
start.
So,
people
should
not
take
a
look
at
[
s]
anything
beyond
it
as
beyond
that
point.

[
91
Another
point
that
I
would
like
to
make
is
to
[
IO]
have
some
general
comment
and
we
understand
who
the
`
I
11
audience
is
because,
at
lcasl
in
my
own
experience,
if
:
r2]
you're
going
to
prepare
a
document
it's
very
helpful
to
:
i3]
know
who
the
heck
the
audience
is
and
the
level
of
.14]
expertise.

,151
Certainly
we
arc
empowered
by
EPA
to
produce
'
161
this
particular
document
and
it
will
be
read
by
people
'
17)
inside,
not
only
the
document
called
Inside
EPA,
but
181
inside
EPA,
the
Agency,
as
well.
But
there
arc
also
a
is]
number
of
other
parties
interested
and
aftcctcd
partics,

ZO]
stakeholders,
however
you
choose
to
idcntil'y
them,
State
zi]
Agencies,
people
in
Corqycss,
knowledgeable
publrc.

221
These
are
all
individuals
who
arc
familiar
with
the
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[
II
Superfund
and
related
cleanup
programs,
but
haven't
spent
121
this
last
year
going
over
things
the
way
you
have.

[
3]
They're
all
knowledgeable
with
Superfund
issues,
but
to
14)
different
degrees.

151
My
own
take
is
we
don't
have
to
go
back
to
the
[
cl
beginning
and
start
describing
Superfund,
but
we
do
have
[
7]
to
make
it
very
clear
where
we're
coming
from
and
the
181
logic
framework
for
all
these
statements.
And
I
think
[
gl
that's
in
there,
but
that's
part
of
the
diamond.

[
jOI
(
Xearly
the
draft
is
a
draft
report
and
does
not
[
j
11
­
let
me
emphasize
that
one
word
that
I
got
underlined
(
121
up
there
­
does
not
represent
any
final
statements,

~
131
recommendations
or
conclusions.
Not
know.
Again,
maybe
(
ra]
not
until
I)
cccmber.`
I'hen
WC
may
have
something
that
we
[
151
can
all
truly
say
is
a
product
of
the
Subcommittee.

I161
So.
as
one
reads
into
this
don't
conclude
this
~
171
time
­
clon't
conclude
the
September
draft
­
probably
[
ial
not
even
the
one
after
that
that
this
is
what
the
1191
Subcommitlee
concludes
or
rccommends.
Anybody
who
makes
(
201
that
slatcment,
verbally
or
in
writing
until
this
[
ZI;
Subcommittee
so
says
so
is
wrong.
Flat
wrong.
Make
no
1221
doubt
about
that.
­
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[
iI
We
have
sccii
some
attemptsThere
was
a
piece
[
zl
of
paper,
a
document
tlrat
came
out
about
a
week
ago
that
131
kind
01`
inferred
that
WC
had
some
recommendations.
We
141
don't.
I
don't
know
of
any
rccommcndations
that
are
in
~
51
111crc.
I
low
that
particular
organization
got
a
hold
of
it
16)
so
quickly
is
an
amazement
that
is
only
due
to
the
(
r]
electronic
:
trl
that
WC
have
out
there.
Hut
lhey
do.

PI
I%
UI
anybody
who
writes
or
says
that
this
is
the
191
Subcommittee's
recommendations
until
the
Subcommittee
:
ioI
makes
those
and
agrees
to
them
is
flat
out
wrong.
Make
:
I
11
no
doubt
about
that
those
of
you
in
the
audience
and
12j
around
the
table,
until
you
agree
it's
not
an
agrccmcnt.

'
31
So,
another
point
to
make
is
that
you
can
expect
141
some
very
considerable
changes.
I
do.
I
mean,
I
look
at
is]
this
document
and.
as
I
said,
what
it
is
it's
a
start
and
161
I
expect
that
today
we'll
have
:
I
lot
of
changes
and
171
suggestions
and
discussion,
and
what's
in
this
draft,

181
wl~
l's
in
tiic
ncsl
thf1
may
not
survive
to
111~
last
181
cIr;
IJi
Ant1
what's
in
this
draft
may
disappear.
Other
20)
things
may
appear.
Isut
lha~`
s
lhe
way
it
is
and
thar's
ii]
tlkc
i1alr1rc
oL`
thi5
particular
oiic.

221
Again,
for
those
of
you
in
the
audience,
one
can
I
111
Again,
mostly
Sot
the
audience,
I
would
just
(
21
like
to
refer
to
what
we've
agreed
to
in
the
past
and
the
[
q
way
we
seem
to
have
been
effective
in
using
our
time.
As
141
we've
said
before,
everybody
respects
the
comments
of
~
51
others.
No
one
monopolizes
time
or
conversation.

El
Everybody
has
the
opportunity
for
input
and,

1~
again,
fhr
the
audience
the
way
that
­
at
least
the
181
Chair
recognizes
people
is
those
who
wish
to
talk
puts
[
s]
their
name
tag
in
a
vertical
position
so
that
I
can
see
[
IO]
who
it
is
and
we'll
make
sure
everybody
gets
a
chance.

[
I
11
There
arc,
obviously,
no
stupid
questions
or
comments.

[
izl
There
are
only
questions
or
comments
to
try
to
clarify
[<
31
something.
And
I
get
the
chance
to
recognize
an
[
14]
individual
to
speak,
and
I'll
do
that.
So,
that
if
you
[
ISI
have
a
comment
and
you
wish
to
speak,
that's
fine.
We'U
[
isI
keep
track.
We'lI
make
sure
that
everybody
gets
a
[
I
71
chance.

1181
So
that,
Ibr
the
audience,
is
the
way
that
we
[?
sI
have
worked
in
the
past
and
we're
contending
to
work
this
[
zo]
time
unless
the
Subcommittee
so
directs
me
to
do
[
21j
somclhing
diffcrcnt.

WI
My
own
take
on
this
is
that
we've
got
this
good
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expect
some
considerable
and
possible,
some
very
heated
[
z]
discussion.
I
would
not
be
surprised
at
that
because
[
aI
there
are
very
interesting
points
in
here,
but
not
[
4]
everybody
is
going
to
agree
with
everything.
It's
an
~
51
amalgamation
of
work
group
products
to
get
us
to
think,

~
61
to
get
us
to
look
at
these
things,
to
consider
that
[
7]
audience
and
figure
out
how
we
wish
to
say
things.
I
[
81
personally
expect
not
agreement.

(
91
We
need
to
separate
the
relevant
from
the
[
IO]
interesting.`
l'here's
all
kinds
of
interesting
things.

1111
The
relevant
things
are
the
things
focusing
on
our
charge
LIZ]
and
1
would
ask
all
of
us
around
the
table
or
writing
and
~
13)
those
of
you
in
the
audience
to
reflect
upon
the
charge.

~
141
ThN's
what
we
have
agreed
to
provide
in
terms
of
a
[
isI
rcsponse.
There
are
other
things
we
may
wish
to
add
and
[
i6]
lhat's
perfectly
okay.
But
we
do
need
to
make
sure
that
1171
we
focus
on
the
points
that
are
relevant
to
the
charge
[
18]
and
other
issues
that
we
feel,
as
a
Subcommittee,
are
the
[
I91
important
aspects
to
put
in
there.
And
I
expect
some
1201
very
explicit
changes
that
will
take
place.
It
will
be
a
[
zi]
very
surprise
to
me
if
we
didn't
have
something
like
pn]
that.
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We
need
clear
points
and
logic.
We
need
to
have
(
151
an
identification
of
six
to
10
key
points.
I
don't
know
~
161
what
those
are,
but
I
doubt
that
this
is
a
report
that's
~
171
going
to
be
1,000
points
of
light.
We
need
somelhing
(
161
that's
going
to
be
able
to
make
the
key
points
that
we
(
191
feel
are
important
very
clear
to
that
particular
[
zo]
audience.

I211
What
are
those
six
or
10
­
and
if
you
like
more
[
zz]
or
if
you
Iike
less
­
I
doubt
that
there's
going
to
be
[
i]
less
than
six.
That's
just
not
the
way
it
works.
Let's
[
z]
make
those
very,
very
clear
and
let's
make
it
very
clear
131
also
where
there
are
differences
of
opinion
because
we're
~
41
going
to
have
differences
of
opinion
and,
hopefully,

[
5]
we'll
have
some
areas
where
we,
indeed,
can
have
some
[
6]
agreement.

PI
A
suggestion,
and
this
can
be
modified
as
you
[
6]
wish,
but
in
order
to
keep
a
role
on
things
­
going
191
through
here
I
found
a
number
of
editorial
things
that
[
IO]
might
be
changed.
My
suggestion
is
that
we
simply
note
[
I
I
]
those,
make
the
changes
that
you
would
like
to
see,
and
[
iz]
hand
them
in.
We'Il
talk
in
a
minute
­
John
will,
Molly
[
13]
will
­
about
well,
how
is
the
next
draft
going
to
be
put
[
14]
together
and,
for
one
thing,
all
the
editorial
changes
[
15]
will
take
place.

[
161
If
there
are
­
another
suggestion
would
be
if
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77
[
I]
rough
diamond,
but
we
need
to
more
focus
­
we
need
to
[
z]
have
more
focus
on
hard
questions,
how
to
measure
131
protection,
how
to
determine
progress,
how
to
answer
some
141
of
the
charge
questions.
We
need
clear
conclusions,

[
5]
recommendations
and
statements.
We
need
to
be
explicit
[
6]
rather
than
implicit.
If
you
mean
to
say
something,

[
7]
let's
figure
out
a
way
to
make
it
very
clear
for
that
[
a]
audience.
I
would
Iike
to
see
less
pages,
not
more.
We
[
g]
can
always
add
things
on,
but
we
need
to
be
as
logical
[
IO]
and
focused
as
we
can.
I
certainly
don't
have
any
[
I!]
problem
of
going
to
more,
but
if
we
can
synthesize,
let's
[
VI
try
to
do
that
and
more
and
more
let's
be
making
sure
[
13]
that
we're
focused
on
the
charge.

Page
78
[
I]
in.
Maybe
discuss
them
among
ourselves.
That
would
be
[
2]
helpful.

[
31
Any
conclusions,
recommendations
and
findings,

[
4]
we
need
to
discuss
those
so
that
we
have
some
agreement
151
about
that,
and
clearly
where
there
is
disagreement
or
[
6]
where
there
is
no
consensus,
we
need
to
understand
that,

[
7]
and
I
certainly
would
like
to
see
some
discussion
about
161
that.

PI
Note
that
in
all
the
cases
I'd
really
like
to
lo]
see
us
put
things
in
writing.
It
sure
helps
putting
111
things
together
in
the
next
draft
so
that
we
have
121
something
to
work
from,
as
well
as
trying
to
remember
131
thoughts
or
write
down
comments
that
we
have.

141
But
those
are
some
suggestions.
If
you
have
151
other
ones,
I'm
sure
we
can
accommodate
how
you
wo~~
ld
I'

['

['

p
~
I'
I'

[
16]
like
to
go
through
here.
John
Ehrmann
will
have
some
[:

1:
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79
171
suggestions
in
a
minute.

161
For
this
discussion
I
would
like
to
see
LIS
keep
191
a
tight
focus
on
the
charge,
a
tight
focus
on
~
hc
issues
?
o]
I
would
like
us
to
begin
to
emphasize
what
Ihe
key
items
?
I]
are
that
need
attention,
the
key
six
to
10
points.
I
~
21
would
like
to
see
us
be
succinct
rather
than
expansive,

Page
80
[
I]
except
where
expansion
of
comments
and
so
forth
are
[
2]
necessary
to
make
the
logic
clear.

131
I
think
we
need
to
keep,
at
least,
two
questions
[
4]
in
mind
from
an
organizational
standpoint.
Why
arc
we
[
5]
saying
this?
What
are
we
trying
to
get
across
by
[
6]
whatever
that
paragraph
or
that
sentence
is,
and
what's
[
7]
the
point
of
the
issue?
You
may
hear
me
in
Ihc
next
two
[
a]
days
bring
up
those
points
periodically.
I
do
not
mean
[
g]
to
be
argumentative.
I
simply
mean
to
get
clarification
lo]
of
what's
the
poinl.
What
are
we
trying
to
do
here?

111
You
may
bring
the
same
points
up
and
that
iz]
certainly
would
be
l­
me.
But
I
think
in
terms
of
a
131
report
­
this
report
that
wc
have
that's
so
important
WC
141
need
to
make
sure
that
what
we're
saying
is
really
very
151
clear.
If
we
don't
know
what
the
point
of
the
issue
is
161
and
can't
articulate
it,
I
guarantee
you
the
reader
is
i[
'
I
~
171
you
have
ideas
about
a
different
way
to
organize
or
a
[
16]
different
order
in
which
you
wish
to
have
things
[
19]
presented
for
logic
and
so
forth,
that
might
be
something
(;
lol
again
you
can
note
and
hand
in,
or
we
could
quickly
agree
(
21)
to.
If
there
are
clarifications
and
definitions,
again.

[~
ZJ
make
clear
what
those
are.
Put
them
on
paper,
hand
them
[
17]
not
going
to
bc
able
to
do
that.
And
if
we
don't
know
[
re]
why
we're
really
saying
it
and
how
to
make
that
point
;
[
19]
clear,
it's
the
same
answer.

~
[
20]
Also,
I
would
remind
us
that
Chcrc
is
going
lo
[
ZI]
be
more
opportunities
to
polish
and
linalizc
Ihis.
Wc
[
22]
don't
have
to
come
to
IO0
pcrccn
t
agrccmcnt
or
polish
­

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11)
today.
Just
like
somebody
who
has
a
rough
diamond,
it
[
2]
takes
a
bit
of
time
to
get
that
final
diamond
out.

PI
So.
we're
going
to
have
time
in
September.

[
4]
We're
going
to
have
time
in
the
fall.
Rut
we
got
to
keep
[
5]
zeroing
in
in
terms
of
getting
this
thing
done.
So,
if
[
6]
WC
don't
quite
get
everything
done
that
you
would
like
[:
I
tlonc
in
the
next
two
days,
well,
there
will
be
more
time
(
61
and,
as
John
and
Molly
and
others
will
identify,
input
[
g]
will
bc
welcome
after
the
meeting
so
that
we
have
the
[
IO]
best
input
that
WC`
have
for
the
next
draft.

[
I
`
I
The
last
point
that
I
would
like
to
make
is
just
(
12)
to
give
some
thoughts
about
what
the
linal
report,

[
13]
itself,
might
br
­
how
it
might
be
organized
and
this
is
(
141
to
be
discussed
and
fmalized,
and
this
is
just
to
put
on
[
I
51
the
table.

IlGl
One
thing
that
has
been
effective
in
the
past
is
[
I?]
to
have
a
very
separate
document
that's
an
executive
[
rel
summary,
and
I'll
show
you
an
example
of
what
I'm
talking
[
I91
about
in
a
minuLc.
Another
document
that's
really
the
[
2c]
final
report,
which
is
of
the
type
that
wc
have
in
front
[
nil
01`
us
today
and
the
type
that
RI+
put
tog&
her
and
other
[
22]
things
along
those
lines,
and
we
have
another
documents,
­­

Page
82
)

[
I]
which
is
the
appendices
for
other
things
that
we
wish
to
~
21
keep
track
of,
but
not
everybody
in
the
world
is
ever
(
31
going
lo
want
to
see.

i41
`
I'hc
type
of
thing
that
has
been
effective
in
the
[
5!
past
has
hcen
things
like
this
This
is
a
report
that
[
6]
our
­
thcrc
was
another
Chair
out
back
in
1990
that
some
(
71
ol'
you
may
remcmbcr.
The
Reducing
Risk
Report.
It
was
181
this
kind
of
a
document
that
was
the
summary
of
that
that
[
9]
really
got
a
lot
of
distribution.
Ivdck
of
that
were
the
[
rol
thicker
reports
that
people
could
get
if
they
wanted
to,

[
i
11
but
this
had
the
csscnce,
and
I'll
pass
this
one
around.

[
123
it
complimentary
one
is
one
that
came
out
again
[
13]
from
a
Science
Advisory
Board
more
recently.
This
~
141
happens
to
be
one
that
I
had
in
the
file.
Framework
For
(
151
Assessing
and
Reporting
on
Ecological
Condition
and
[
IG]
I:
xccuin'e
Sumnlary
followed
by
the
document
itself.

I171
We'll
scc
what
that
looks
like,
but
I
would
ask
[
ia)
that
)
ou
begin
to
think
about
how
this
might
be
packaged
[
19]
so
that
WC
g:
ct
the
key
information
across
and
be
able
to
1201
gel
Chc
tnatcrial
out
in
a
highly
readable
fashion
to
the
`
21,
intcrcstctl
audicncc
thal
I
trictl
to
articulate
a
little
p2j
hll
bctrcr.
111
So,
in
these
opening
comments
let
me
just
simply
121
close
by
saying
we
do
need
to
focus
on
the
chargeThe
[
a]
people
around
the
table
have
access
to
that.
Those
of
141
you
in
the
audience,
on
the
table
as
you
come
in
there
is
(
51
a
statement
of
the
charge,
so
that
that
can
be
clear
to
161
youAnd
the
purpose
of
this
particular
meeting
is
to
~
71
have
a
number
­
a
few
presentations,
and
they
are
[
e]
identified
for
you
in
the
agenda,
but
to
spend
as
much
191
time
as
we
can
in
terms
of
going
over
the
document
that
[
ID]
we
have
known
as
the
draft
report
and
beginning
to
poIish
[
II]
that
and
be
able
to
have
something
that
we
can
continue
[
iz]
to
work
on
and
have
a
second
good
draft
for
you
by
the
[
13]
September
meeting,
which
is
the
first
week
in
September.

(
141
The
last
item
is
while
we've
got
three
meetings
[
ISI
still
scheduled,
the
third
of
those
meetings
in
December,

[
16]
as
I
recall,
John,
needs
to
be
finalized
in
terms
of
1171
dates
and
schedule.

[
lel
With
that
I'm
open
to
any
questions,
comments
[
19l
and
so
forth
that
you
would
like
to
have
and
then
1%

[
20]
turn
it
over
to
John
to
kind
of
continue
the
discussion
~
1
of
how
we're
going
to
get
through
the
next
two
days.

I'
1
MS.
HERRERA:
Of
course,
it
might
be
opened
up
[
zl
for
debate,
but
part
of
the
charge,
looking
at
the
13~
negatively
impacted
communities,
the
Executive
Order
~
41
12898
deals
with
minority
people
of
color,
poor,

151
disadvantaged
communities.
This
is
a
huge
Environmental
[
s]
Justice
concern
that
encompasses
a
lot
of
minority
[
71
population,
sovereignty
tribes,
Pacific
islanders,

[
a]
Alaskan
people,
and
I
would
Iike
to
see
in
the
charge
IQ]
that
we
arc
addressing
the
Environmental
Justice
issues.

(
101
I
would
like
to
see
it
at
the
beginning
of
the
[
i
I]
document
and,
of
course,
integrated
throughout
the
1121
document.
Hut
I
believe
that
we
have
a
responsibility
to
1131
the
people
that
have
been
severely
and
mostly
negatively
~
1141
impacted
in
the
IJnited
States.

1151
MR.
LOEHR:
Thank
you.
We'll
try
to
weave
that
~
161
in.
I
don't
want
to
go
and
change
the
charge
that
was
[
i7]
given
to
us,
but
wc
can,
indeed,
interpret
that
in
terms
[
ie]
ol.
context.

[`
Ql
Other
comments?
Oh,
I'm
sorry,
Doris.
I
didn't
[
ZO]
see
yolr.

1211
MS.
CELLAAIUS:
I
wonder
what
is
the
possibility
/
[
zz]
of
input
that
members
of
the
Subcommittee
that
are
not
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[
l]
present
­
how
do
they
influence
the
document
at
this
[
2]
point?

[
31
MR.
EHRMANN:
We're
going
to,
you
know,
leave
141
open
the
opportunity
for
written
comments
until
the
27th
[
s]
of
June,
a
week
from
Friday.
So
anybody
­
we've
already
[
6]
received
comments
from
at
least
two
members
I
know
of
who
171
aren't
here
who
already
have
sent
us
their
written
[
a]
comments.

PI
And
we
intentionally
want
to
leave
that
period
[
IO]
open,
both
to
allow
any
of
you
to
either
revise
and
[
I
I]
extend
your
remarks,
so
to
speak,
or
have
time
to
get
~
121
other
comments
that
weren't
made
in
the
meeting
down
in
~
131
writing.
But
we
will
also
remind
the
non­
attending
[
14]
members
that
that
is
an
opportunity
for
them
­
and,
01
1151
course,
they
can
call
us
and
express
their
comments
[
16]
anyway
they
want.
But
we're
going
to
take
written
[
in
comments
until
the
27th
to
provide
time
for
them.

[
181
MR.
LOEHR:
Molly.

1191
MS.
HOUGHTON:
Yeah.
Just
the
comment
deadline.

~
201
How
open
for
flexibility
is
that?
I
know
personally
­

IW
MR.
EHRMANN:
We
can
be
bought.

WI
MS.
HOUGHTON:
You
can
be
bought?
Just
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88
[
i]
rewording
or
something,
I
think
that's
what
your
point
is
[
z]
and
that
is
one
that
I
could
have
an
understanding
and
[
3]
agreement
with,
that's
very
helpful
because
there's
[
4]
nothing
magic
about
these.
It's
simply
the
integration
[
5]
of
things
and
there
may
well
be
better
ways
Lo
say
it
or
(
61
emphasize
it
or
integrate
it
someplace
else.
And
that's
[
7]
what
we're
looking
for.

[
81
Other
general
comments?
Let
mc
turn
it
back
[
q
over
to
the
Mayor.
He
wasn't
here
a
minute
ago
when
I
IO]
thanked
him
on
behalf
of
the
Committee
for
allowing
us
Lo
['
II]
have
a
fine
site
visit
that
we
had
this
morning.
13ut
you
121
will
also
noLice
on
the
agenda
a
placcholder
to
allow
the
131
Mayor
to
lead
us
into
the
official
part
of
the
section
141
this
afternoon,
and
for
that
purpose
and
any
other
151
purpose
he
wishes,
let
me
turn
it
back
to
Ule
Mayor.

1.3
MAYOR
KALISZ:
7`
hdnk
you
very
much,
Doctor,
and
17
thank
you
for
your
patience.
I
know
I
was
a
few
minutes
181
kite.

IU
191
I
certainly
am
very,
very
pleased
wiLh
the
hcl
F
!
o]
that
we
were
able
Lo
bring
this
meeting
to
New
Redford
aL
!
I]
this
point
in
time,
especially
with
regards
to
Lhc
!
2]
deliberations
as
they
effect
the
final
preparation
of
111~
[
I]
personally
it's
a
real
hardship
for
me.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
I
mean,
if
you
have
a
special
[
3]
circumstance,
let
us
know.
It's
not
like
where
a
Federal
[
4]
registered
notice
said
27th,
but
we
would
like
to
get
[
5]
them
in
so
that
we
can
start
the
next
round.
But
if
you
(
61
have
a
special
­
you
know,
you're
on
vacation
this
week,

[
n
you're
on
a
trip,
you
got
a
big
deadline
on
something
[
a]
else
and
you
need
a
few
more
days,
you
know,
just
let
us
[
9]
know
so
we
know
that
they're
coming.

I'
01
But
we
wouldn't
want
to
extend
it
more
than
a
[
ii]
few
days.
You
know,
we
don't
want
to
go
to
two
more
[
12]
weeks
or
something
like
that.

[
I31
MR.
LOEHR:
Sue.

[
I41
MS.
BRIGGLJM:
Yeah.
In
terms
of
those
wriLLcn
[
is]
comments,
I
assume
that
you
might
fmd
it
most
helpful
1161
if,
as
we
listen
and
think
of
things,
we
can
provide
~
171
more,
rather
than
less,
in
our
comments
LO
you
by
the
[
re]
27th
if
we're
going
to
be
able
to
meet
that
deadline.

1191
So,
we're
really
thinking
about
the
fact
that
it's
most
(
PO]
helpful
to
you
to
get
them
in
writing
so
that
you
can
~
211
have
all
the
input.

P4
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah.
1X
refer
Lo
this
in
a
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minute,
but
I
have
Lo
say
that
for
the
folks
who
have
[
2]
sent
us
their
comments
so
far
­
I
think
we
have
four
or
[
3]
five
sets
­
they've
been
really
good.
I
mean,
they're
[
4]
very
clear.
I
can't
live
with
this.
1
can
live
with
[
5]
that.
Here's
some
other
language.
If
this
was
changed
1
[
S]
might
be
able
to
live
with
it.
That's
the
kind
of
­

171
here's
some
alternative
wording.
You
know,
that's
the
[
a]
kind
of
thing
that's
helpful
to
us.
Not
just,
you
know,

[
q
no
or
ugh
or
­
you
know,
who
wrote
this.

I[
101
But,
you
know,
trying
to
make
those
alternative
I[
1
I]
suggestions
or
­
if
you
can't
­
I'm
not
saying
you
have
121
to
do
that
for
everything
you
have
a
problem
with.
But
131
the
more
we
can
get
that
language
or
more
just
what
141
bothers
you
about
something
even
if
you're
noL
prepared
is]
to
present
an
alternative,
that
helps
us
undersLand
Lhe
161
concern
so
we
can
work
with
folks
to
try
to
address
it.

171
so,
that's
very
helpful.

181
MR.
LOEHR:
And
especially,
just
Lo
emphasize
/
I
191
whaL
John
said,
are
rewording
sometimes
can
be
very
ao]
helpfuLTo
say,
you
know,
I
can't
­
I
don't
really
?
I]
understand
whal
that
says,
or
if
I
do
I
can't
agree
with
z]
it.
But
if
it
had
this
particular
flavor
emphasis,

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PI
As
~
OLI'VC
seen
already
by
the
fact
of
the
visit
131
this
morning,
this
is
not
only
the
home
of
one
of
the
~
41
most
complex
Superfund
projects
in
the
United
States,

[
s]
but,
as
it
has
been
pointed
out
by
a
number
of
the
[
q
Federal
partners,
it
is
one
of
the
Brownfield
showcase
[
71
communities.

PI
As
we
begin
our
deliberations
on
the
draft
of
[
q
the
linal
report,
I
would
like
to
highlight
a
few
points
[
io]
based
on
our
Superfund
experiences
here
in
New
Bedford
[
i
I]
that
I
hope
will
add
some
context
to
our
deliberations
[
iz]
that
now
you're
very
much
familiar
with
by
actually
[
131
having
been
there
and
visited.

[
I41
When
I
became
Mayor
six
years
ago
I
sought
to
[
15]
change
the
way
that
WC
looked
at
the
strategic
planning
~
161
for
the
development
process
here
in
the
city
of
New
[
171
13ccllbrd.
I
felt
that
it
was
important
that
we
integrate
[
ia]
and
coordinate
our
planning
efforts
with
the
efforts
of
[
Is]
the
private
sector
and
other
government
agencies
to
[
ro]
maximize
the
benefits
of
the
expenditure
public
funds,

~
211
and
I've
pointed
that
out
during
the
tunchtime
briefing
~
2)
down
at
the
Forfeiture
Building.
­

Page
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III
I've
also
believed
thdl
it's
imporlant
that
WC
12)
comprehensively
address
the
needs
of
an
area
then
move
on
~
31
so
that
the
private
sector
investment
could
occur
without
141
the
fear
that
WC
would
go
back
the
following
year
and
dig
q
up
the
street
and
do
something
that
should
have
been
done
16:
in
the
prrvious
experience.

I71
Finally,
I
believe
that
the
government
has
the
[
a]
responsibility
to
Facilitate
resolution
of
conflict
191
issues
that
would
not
otherwise
bc
resolved.
Sometimes
[
IDI
this
means
getting
involved
in
projects
that
may
seem
[
r
11
clauntlng,
but
if
we
don't
get
involved
the
question,

ji2]
obVlouSly,
is
Who
will.

1131
And
so
WC
began
in
our
city
of
New
Bedford
the
[
it;
dcvelopmenl
of
some
stralegics
for
success
in
dealing
[>
j)
with
the
Supcrl'und
contaminated
properties,
which
led
us
jisl
into
the
discussion
of
Brownfields.
Before
I
discuss
;:
I)
those
strategies,
I
would
like
to
touch
upon
what
WC
mean
[
la)
by
s~~
cccss
hcrc
in
New
Bcdlhrd
because
that's
a
very
[
irj!
meaningful
definition.

w
As
I've
stated
before.
lhc
real
measure
01
[
sil
suc~`
csh
of`
a
Snpcrfund
project
is
not
only
dctermincd
by
,221
~
hc
I:
nvironmcntal
cngincer,
but
by
the
property
owner
Page
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[
I]
across
the
street
and
the
members
of
community
in
(
21
general.

131
Does
the
property
now
contribute
to
the
social
141
and
economic
development
of
the
community
is
obviously
[
5]
one
of
the
questions
that
we
ask.
Does
the
property
now
Is]
contribute
to
the
tax
rules
of
the
city?
And
by
the
way
~
71
that
expenditures
are
so
warranted
in
these
days
is
a
(
81
very
important
question
that
municipalities
have
to
ask.

191
Does
the
property
now
further
our
strategicals?

101
Yes,
as
a
city
we
began
thinking
strategically
when
we
111
came
into
office.
And
does
the
property
advance
in
our
121
efforts
of
environmental
stewardship?
Once
again,
if
we
131
don't
than
who
will.

141
These
are
just
as
important
measuring
successes
ts]
as
the
completed
cleanup
plan.
The
fust
step
in
our
161
strategy
for
success
is
an
attempt
to
develop
a
good
171
working
relationship
in
which
the
regulatory
agencies,

181
the
city
and
the
private
sector
all
understand
each
,[
19]
others
goals
and
challenges.
And
ifit
wasn't
clear
that
[
zo]
there
is
a
real
love
fest
going
on
here
in
New
Bedford
at
1211
lunch,
let
me
tell
you
you're
going
to
hear
about
it
[
zz]
again
very,
very
briefly
because
that's
what
I
really
1
.~
~.
~~
~~
­
.­
..­.
~.­­­
.­.­­­

'
[
I]
credit
much
of
our
success
to.
Page
92
I4
The
evolution
of
the
preferred
Superfund
131
disposal
method
from
incineration
to
confmed
disposal
[
41
facilities,
the
dcwatering
and
removal,
is
the
best
151
testament
to
this
part
of
development
of
strategy,

161
The
second
step
of
our
strategy
is
to
~
71
incorporate
the
Superfund
planning
and
development
into
~
81
our
strategic
project
planning
and
development.
This
is
[
q
even
more
difficult
than
it
sounds.
Not
only
must
we
[
IO]
coordinate
all
of
the
elements
of
our
strategic
project,

[
II]
but
in
addition
we
must
work
to
keep
the
projects
on
[
IZ]
track
with
the
Superfund
schedule
so
that
neither
~
131
adversely
interferes
with
the
other.

'[
I41
A
good
example
of
this
process
we
evolved
~
151
through
mediate
and
revitalize
a
25
acre
former
railroad
[
16]
yard,
which
is
now
our
terminal
area
into
an
intra­
model
1171
transportation
l`
acility
for
freight
and
passengers
that
$
181
will
be
~
rscd
by
IX4
vendors
to
transport
dewatered
PCBs
1191
from
the
harbor
to
an
appropriate
landtW.
Again,
this
11~
01
requires
quite
a
bit
of
a
coordinated
effort
and
i
[
ZI]
facilitation
since
most
of
the
Superfund
project
managers
[
zz]
are
not
accustomed
to
coordinating
with
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I]
schedules.

PI
Fortunately,
in
New
Bedford,
our
Superfund
[
3]
project
managers,
Jim
Brown
and
Dave
Dickerson,
have
been
[
4]
great
to
work
with
us
and
we
thank
them
for
their
[
s]
efforts.
Dave
is
not
here
right
now
and
on
my
way
back
[
6j
from
a
family
issue
I
saw
him
pumping
gas
at
a
local
gas
(
71
station.
I
got
to
tell
you,
the
window
went
down
and
I'm
(
81
yelling
as
I'm
driving
down
the
street,
Dave,
thank
you
191
for
this
morning.
It
went
perfectly.
You
know,
we
got
[
lo]
that
type
of
easy
name
recognition,
the
one­
on­
one
[
1<
1
understanding
of
what
their
job
is,
but
more
importantly
[
jz]
they
now
understand
what
the
municipal
site
of
that
is
~
131
about.

u41
The
third
step
is
advocating
with
EPA
decision
~
151
makers
to
include
the
city's
municipal
goals
when
they're
[
IS]
evaluating
alternatives
for
their
actions.
This
is
[
i7]
really
counter­
intuitive
as
usually
it
requires
some
(
181
creative
thinking,
but
the
results,
as
you
can
see
in
the
~
191
city
of
New
Bedford,
are
obviously
worth
it.

PO1
In
constructing
the
dewatering
facility
from
the
1211
Superfund
project
site,
we
were
able
to
work
with
the
EPA
~
221
to
relocate
two
combined
sewer
overflows
in
a
manner
that
Page
94
[
I]
was
cost
mutual,
but
in
practice
assisted
the
city
in
[
2]
developing
an
adjacent
railroad
yard
and
a
more
closely
~
31
conforming
with
the
Clean
Water
Act.

[
41
The
interrelation
of
projects,
steps
two
and
[
s]
three
encourage
­
requires
that
the
municipal
officials
[
G]
be
ready
to
advocate
with
Congress
on
the
Superfund
171
project
and
we
do
and
we
have
and
it
has
been
part
of
the
(
s]
success.
This
is
something
that
we
should
do
in
any
[
g]
case.
The
more
involved
in
the
Superfund
project
that
we
[
IO]
can
become,
the
better
the
project
becomes,
obviously,

[
I
I
]
for
our
community.

[
121
You
know,
I
sometimes
wonder
as
we
discuss
about
1131
the
funding
of
the
Superfund,
if
we're
not
looking
at
the
[
14]
root
of
the
problem.
We
should
recognize
that
Superfund
[
15]
is
underfunded
and
advocate
for
additional
funding
as
the
[
16]
measure
to
protect
the
public
health.
OP
course,
we
~
171
should
ensure
that
the
funds
are
spent
efficiently
and
~
18)
most
cost
effectively.
But
Superfund
is
a
cleanup
~
191
program
intended
to
clean
sites
that
could
not
otherwise
[
zo]
be
cleaned.

P'l
And
as
I've
spoken
with
so
many
of
you
in
our
[
22]
previous
meetings,
there's
also
a
lesson
to
bc
learned
in
_
~__­
['

['

['

L'

[
1
[
1
l­
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i]
New
Bedford
with
regards
to
that
expenditure
relative
to
21
the
amount
of
monies
that
have
been
spent,
in
regards
to
31
the
planning
process,
the
community
be
upset,
and
then
$
1
the
joint
effort.
It
has
led
to
tremendous
amounts
01
,
s]
money
being
spent
that
unfortunately
the
process
costs
to
,
s]
have
happened.

`
71
The
fourth
step
entails
advocating
with
EPA
for
81
protective
use
strategy
for
former
Superfund
sites.
1
lere
.9]
in
New
Bedford
we
have
an
example
of
a
situation
where
01
the
city
did
not
become
actively
enough
involved
in
the
11
reuse
planning
and
resulted
in
a
12
acre
site
that
is
no1
21
reusable
for
development,
although
it
is
adjacent
to
an
31
exit
ramp
to
a
State
highway.

41
We've
also
had
the
example
of
the
harbor
s]
dewatering
facility,
which
has
been
designed
to
perform
61
its
Superfund
function
and
then
once
the
project
is
71
completed
can
serve
a
marine
industrial
USC
in
our
a]
harbor.
And
you
all
llave
heard
Dave
Dickerson
and
Jim
g]
Brown
make
spccilic
reference
to
the
fact
that
we`
re
lo]
planning
for
the
firture,
not
just
taking
care
of
the
past
!
il
activities.

!
2]
Once
again,
it
is
only
that
the
municipality
is
Page
96
[
i]
strong
­
a
strong
advocate
of
the
Supcrfund
projccl.

[
z]
Sites
like
this
can
obviously
have
a
future
like
this.

[
31
Finally,
we
must
recognize
the
connection
[
4]
between
Superfund
sites
and
13rowntields.
In
many
[
5]
instances,
the
connection
is
as
obvious
as
mcrc
[
6]
proximity.
Our
harbor
is
a
good
example
of
11~
s.

[
7]
Eighteen
thousand
acres,
more
than
28
square
miles
ol
[
a]
marine
environment
are
conlaminated
by
Superfund
and
[
g]
Brownfield
levels.
The
SuperPond
cleanup
will
bc
the
o]
impedance
for
us
to
clean
up
the
acres
and
acres
01
I]
Brownfields
under
the
water
as
well,
approximately
75
z]
acres
of
Brownfields
on
the
land
abutting
the
harbor
as
831
well.

141
AU
too
often
thcrc
is
a
tendency
to
allow
the
51
programmatic
differences
in
Superfund
and
Brownfield
6)
programs
to
get
in
the
way
of
true
coordination
that
will
`
71
promote
more
effective
and
efticient
USC
of
public
funds
81
I
hope
that
these
brief
comments
provide
the
91
context
as
we
proceed
through
the
discussions
over
the
!
a]
next
two
daysAs
I
said,
as
the
Mayor
of
this
communilp
!
I]
and
as
a
participant
on
this
l~
ancl
with
each
and
cvcr)

!
2]
one
of
you,
I'm
very
plcased
Lhdt
1
can
sllow
you
not
Ollly
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one
of
the
causes
we're
investigating,
but
some
of
the
~
21
progressive
movements
we've
been
able
to
work
together
131
with
the
Federal
Agencies,
with
the
community,
and
as
a
[.+
I
strong
city
to
overcome
and
to
put
into
place
for
the
(
51
future
reuse
of
this
land
that
has
been
so
contaminated.

161
MR.
LOEHR:
Thank
you
very
much,
Mayor.

17)
Comments?
Many
of
you
who
are
on
the
table
were
on
the
[
8]
site
visit.
You
have
been
lo
these
places.
You
can
[
q
relate
io
his
comments
and
the
situalion.
Any
thoughts
[
lo]
that
you
would
like
to
share
at
this
time?
Mike.

I111
MR.
TILCHIN:
Just
administrdlive.
Mayor,
wiU
[~
ZI
you
make
a
paper
copy
of
your
presentation?
Thank
you.

[
I31
MR.
LOEHR:
Well,
let
me
again,
since
you
~
141
weren't
here,
but
it's
my
pleasure
to
do
it
again,
to
[
is]
thank
you
­
MR.
L:.
IIRMANN:
Vicky's
edging.
She
:
16]
wants
to
gel
something
out.

[
I71
MS.
PETERS:
I
have
a
question.

Cl81
MR.
LOEHR:
Oh.
Go
ahcad,
Vicky.

I191
MS.
PETERS:
I
just
don't
know
if
you're
the
[
20]
pc'""
n
to
;*
nswcr
it.

(
2'
1
MAYOR
KALISZ:
We'll
try.

PI
MS.
PETERS:
In
the
NIV.
work
group
and
a
lot
of
[
iI
the
related
efforts,
we're
struggling
with
the
question
~
21
of
lisling
these
mega
sites
and
how
to
list
them
and
[
3]
aggregated
sites
and
identifying
hot
spots
and
all
that
14)
kind
of
stuff.
And
I
was
pretty
confused
during
the
site
:
s]
tour
lo
ligurc
out
exactly
what
is
the
New
Ilcdford
site?

PI
I
didn't
hear
any
discussion
about
­
I
can't
[
71
renicmber
now
the
name
of
it,
but
isn't
there
an
entire
[
a]
river
­
another
river
that
didn't
get
funded
last
year
191
and
whether
that's
part
of
the
New
Bedford
site?

[`
O!
MAYOR
KALISZ:
No.
That's
the
Atlas
Attack
[
it]
IVoject.
That
an
industrial
site
about
four
miles
due
[
iz]
southcast
of
us
at
this
point.
That
was
the
project
that
[
i3]
did
no1
get
funded
That
was
an
industrial
waste
site.

:
I41
MS.
PETERS:
Okay.
But
we
also
heard
that
Aero
[
IS]
Jet.
the
building
itself,
is
not
on
the
site.
We
heard
[
i61
thal
Ihrrc
was
­
at
the
water
lrcatment
facility
is
1171
lrcatmg
copper,
but
the
copper
manufgcturer,
you
know,

[~
a]
wasn'l
a
part
of
this
sctllemcnt.
So,
I'm
kind
of
[
IQ]
confused
!
W
AI
some
point
do
yowl
know
if
EPA
drew
a
tine
pii
around
the
silt
or
was
lhc
site
considered
the
I'<%
from
[
271
Acre
Jcl
or
­
you
know
Page
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1'
1
MAYOR
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Aerovox.

I.
4
MS.
PETERS:
Aerovox.

L31
MAYOR
KALISZ:
As
it
was
point
out
by
Matt,
my
[
4]
City
Solicitor,
who
has
a
little
bit
better
of
an
1s)
institutional
legal
memory
on
­
Matt,
come
on
down
if
[
s]
you
want
to
answer.
The
issue
came
­
at
that
point
it
[
71
appeared
to
bc
the
deep
pockets
theory.
You
know,
who
181
was
going
to
be
able
to
pay
for
it.
And
I
beIieve
it
was
191
Grant
that
raised
the
question
between
ROD
1
and
ROD
2.

[
I
o]
What
was
the
differentiation?
And
I
believe,
Matt,
you
[
I
I]
alluded
to
the
fact
that
it
was
that
deep
pocket
concept.
\

(
121
MR.
THOMAS:
Yes.
Rased
on
the
information
I've
[
13]
gotten
because
I
was
not
part
of
this
either,
there
were
[
141
some
decisions
that
were
made
at
the
time
­
this
ail
lls]
started
20
years
ago
and
to
some
degree
­
I
had
this
[
is]
conversation
with
somebody
earlier
today.

1171
We're
looking
back
at
this
20/
20
hindsight.&

[
is]
the
time
the
Consent
Decree
was
written,
at
the
time
ail
[
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91
of
these
deals
were
made
and
settlements
were
reached,

[
20]
this
was
probably
the
largest
recapture
of
funds
that
had
[
21]
happened
to
that
point
in
time
and
probably
the
most
(
221
aggressive.

Page
98
Page
100
[
II
part
of
the
problem
came
from
­
as
I
understand
p]
it
from
whenever
they
were
doing
the
negotiations
­
a
~
31
lot
of
the
PCHs
that
were
discharged
were
done
so
legally
~
41
when
they
were
done
pursuant
to
normal
permits
back
in
is]
the
7Os.
The
potential
responsible
parties
used
that
to
[
s]
their
benefit
during
the
negotiations.

[
71
And
so
certain
decisions,
some
legaI/
some
[
aI
political,
were
made
at
that
time
as
to
where
to
include
191
the
site
­
for
exampIe,
Aerovox
at
that
time
was
1101
employing
500
people/
600
people.
If
that
had
been
[
I
11
included
as
part
of
the
Superfund
site
those
jobs
were
[~
ZJ
have
been
immediately
lost.
And
so
apparently
there
was
(
131
a
decision
made
at
that
time
to
keep
the
jobs,
keep
the
p41
place
running
and
not
include
it
in
the
Supcrfund
site.

Ii51
IkIck
then
also
you
did
not
have
to
include
the
[
is]
source
of
the
contamination
in
the
site
Iisting.
That's
pr]
changed
since
thcn.
There
were
other
determinations
that
[
IS]
were
made
as
to
who
they
went
after
and
who
they
didn't
1
[
IQ]
go
after.
As
WAS
mentioned,
the
reopeners
with
AVX,

I[
zo]
which
was
one
of
the
potential
responsible
parties,
they
[
zt]
had
the
deepest
pockets
of
all
of
the
parties
at
the
[
zq
time.
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111
So,
if
you
look
at
what
the
site
is,
the
site
[
z]
basically
starts
­
and
probably
Dave
or
Jim
could
~
31
explain
this
better
than
I
could
­
starts
at
the
head
of
[
4]
the
river
and
goes
further
out
into
the
harbor
then
what
151
we
actually
saw
today,
out
to
Myshawn
(
phonetic)
Point
161
and
down
and
over
to
Wilbur's
Point
in
Fairhaven,
and
[
TI
from
there
back
into
the
18,000
acres.

IsI
So,
it
was
difficult
decisions
that
had
to
be
[
sl
made
at
that
time
that,
to
some
degree,
have
colored
the
[
IO]
decision
making
from
that
point
on.

1111
FEMALE
VOICE:
So,
basically
it's
driven
by
the
LIZ]
contaminated
sediment
as
opposed
to
chlorosis
or
PRPs
or
[
lq
anything
like
that?

[
I41
MR.
THOMAS:
At
that
time,
yeah.
And
I
think
11s)
with
regard
to
the
copper,
Revere,
while
they've
been
in
[
is]
the
harbor
since
the
project
has
started
and
they've
1171
started
to
clean
up
to
these
levels,
while
Superfund
gets
[
181
a
waiver
on
the
procedural
requirements
of
the
various
[
igl
laws,
they
have
to
meet
substantive
standards
that
are
[
zol
set
by
all
these
different
lawsAnd
so
once
they
were
[
zl]
in
the
area
they
had
to
start
addressing
other
types
of
[
zz]
contamination
as
they
were
doing
the
types
of
the
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103
111
half
after
that,
the
company
went
bankrupt.
But
it
was
a
[
z]
matter
of
quick
response.

PI
Your
question
is
one
that
constantly
is
on
our
141
minds.
What
is
next
to
fall
because
long
after
the
[
5]
settlements
were
in
place
we
get
the
white­
glove
test
(
61
under
major
contributing
factor
into
the
issue
and
then
[;
7
the
economic
displacement
continued.
So,
it's
been
a
[
a]
concern
but
there's
nothing
that
surfaced
in
the
past
191
five
years.

101
MR.
LOEHR:
Other
questions
for
the
Mayor.
for
I
I]
the
New
Bedford
site
or
for
other
things
that
are
Il.
121
relevant
that
the
Mayor
can
address
at
this
time?
Sue.

I'
131
MS.
BRIGGUM:
Yeah.
I
wondered
if
you
ever
­

I'
141
since
you're
in
Massachusetts
and
you
have
151
representatives
­
not
without
influence
­
if
you
ever
161
have
sought
separate
appropriations
to
contribute
to
the
171
project
because,
you
know,
we've
heard
about
in
some
[
ia]
cases,
and
I'm
aware
of
other
situations,
where
you
have
`[
igl
this
kind
of
very
large
widespread
site
legacy,
dccadcs
[
zol
of
industrial
development:
lots
of
parties,
concerns
[
zi]
about
jobs
who
they
managed
to
Tmd
under
Federal
­­­
[
zz]
appropriations,
the
extra
money
in
order
to
address
Page
102
~
11
projects
that
they
were.
So,
I
think
that's
why
the
[
z]
copper
is
being
addressed
as
well.

PI
MAYOR
KALISZ:
Just
to
wrap
up
the
comments.
In
(
41
1997,
November,
two
days
after
I
had
been
elected
to
[
5]
office,
I
was
sitting
in
my
campaign
office
and
I
was
[
6]
visited
by
several
representatives
of
the
business
[
TI
community,
including
AVX,
Aerovox
and
their
business
[
al
peopleAnd
it
was
ironic
at
that
point
in
1997
they
had
[
g]
just
received
an
order
that
the
plant
had
to
be
shut
down
[
IO]
because
of
what
was
basically
a
white­
glove
test.`
l'he
[
I
11
PCB
contamination
on
the
workplaces,
in
the
lunchrooms
[
IZ]
and
all
of
those
areas
were
now
causing
the
concern
that
[
13]
since
we
were
well
into
this,
the
marches
have
taken
[
14]
place,
a
ROD
had
been
broken,
all
this.
Now,
EPA
had
1151
stepped
in
at
that
point
and
was
ordering
the
plant
shut,

(
161
which
meant
600
people
immediately
being
terminated.

[
I71
We
worked
very
quickly
in
the
fflst
months
of
[
is]
January
and
February
to
facilitate
a
fast
track
1191
relocation
and
building
with
a
lot
of
assistance
from
the
1201
community
to
build
a
new
plant
in
the
industrial
park
~
211
that
was
put
up
within
seven
or
eight
months,
transferred
\
zl
the
600
people,
and
unfortunately,
within
a
year
and
a
111
something
that's
clearly
larger
than
Superhmd,
you
know.

[
z]
It
sounds
as
if
just
by
picking
a
few
deep
pockets
you're
[
s]
not
really
going
to
solve
the
problem.
That's
one
of
the
[
4]
complications
you
found,
and
I
wondered
if
~
OLI
had
an)­

[
5]
success
in
that
regard?

161
MAYOR
KALISZ:
Yeah.
We're
very
fortunate.`
l%
c
~
1
Federal
makeup
of
this
community
is
obviously
Kerry
and
(
81
Kennedy
at
the
Senate
and
Barney
Frank
at
the
Congress
191
level.
Barney
has
worked
to
champion
the
cause
on
a
[
lo]
number
of
different
fronts,
but
even
in
meeting
with
them
[
I
11
they
recognize
the
magnitude
of
the
numbers
that
would
1121
have
to
be
brought
lo
bear
as
you
saw
in
the
slide
this
~
131
morning
­
$
80
Million
a
year
for
four
years.

[
I41
Even
in
the
best
political
environments
those
[
is]
were
big,
big
numbers
when
you
look
at
so
many
dd'fcrent
(
161
projccts.
They
are
very
conscious
of
them.`
l'hey
have
1171
not
been
in
a
position
to
feel
comfortable
that
they
(
161
could
win
them
over
alone
at
any
one
given
time
given
the
;
I91
series
of
national
events,
and
that's
how
it
has
best
1201
placed.

:
2'
1
They
have
been
strong
advocates
for
us
at
IiPA
00
:
22]
a
number
of
the
projects
and
in
making
tbc
changes
that
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have
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on
how
quickly
something
could
be
[
3]
hmdcd
to
bring
not
only
this
project,
but
a
number
of
14)
the
NPL
sites
to
completion
on
the
time
tables
that
are
[
51
out
there
and
are
being
spoken
of.

1%
MR.
LOEHR:
Mr.
Dcwling.

171
MR.
DEWLING:
Mayor,
what
would
be
your
reaction
[
a]
il`
the
Agency
or
­
as
WC
get
into
mega
sites
­
said
p]
that
if
you're
going
to
address
mega
sites
and
its
off­

[
IO]
site
disposal,
and
you
got
to
bring
it
out
LO
Michigan
or
[
I
11
something
like
that,
that
the
State
within
which
this
ijzj
occurs
has
a
responsibility
to
address
that
with
its
own
[
131
political
boundaries.
Would
that
have
stopped
this
(
141
project
or
would
that
have
delayed
it
a
long
time
or
is
[
is]
that
­

Ii
6
MAYOR
KALISZ:
Let
me
just
get
clarification.

1171
On
the
Michigan
side
or
the
State
­
on
(
he
[
ie]
Mass;~
chusc~~
s?

[
191
MR.
DEWLING:
No.
I'm
saying
your
site
in
New
(
201
IIcdti~
rcl
IIarbor.
The
contaminated
sediment
is
being
[
zt]
dcwalcred
­
it's
being
shipped
out
of
State,
correct?

WI
MAYOR
KALISZ:
That's
correct.
[
2]
New
Jersey.

31
Now
maybe
New
Jersey's
waste
have
a
different
[
4]
stigma
than
Massachusetts,
but
we
always
had
a
very
[
s]
difficult
time
moving
New
Jersey
material
out
of
New
[
s]
Jersey.
And
when
you
look
at
these
big
Superfund
sites,

(
71
these
area
wide
sites
and
sediment
sites
­
and
NewYork
[
a]
State
has
the
same
problem
with
the
PCBs.

PI
So,
you
know,
~
OLI
got
old
military
facilities.

`[
io]
You
got
some
of
these
that
could
be
used
for
that
type
of
11
I]
thing.
Is
that
something
that
you
think
could
be
[
IZ]
accomplished
in
the
State
of
Massachusetts?

'
I31
MAYOR
KALISZ:
I
don't
think
so.
From
the
~
141
comments
that
they've
passed,
the
density
of
the
State,

~
151
the
almost
contiguous
boundaries
of
area,
there
is
no
1161
unincorporated
land
that
the
State
has
jurisdiction
over.

[
17]
The
townships,
the
cities.
Very
parochial.
What
could
[
is]
you
possibly
do?

1191
The&
was
questions
even
raised
by
our
City
1201
Council
pt
the
time
of
how
was
it
going
to
get
trucked
1211
out?
<>
ve$
what
land
into
where?
And
finally
it
came
[
22]
down
to
lthe
realization
thaat
there
was
no
other
way
other
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108
II!
MR.
DEWLING:
I
mean,
and
suppose
­

PI
MAYOR
KALISZ:
That's
Ihc
plan.

PI
MR.
DEWLING:
AlI
right.
And
that's
big
bucks.

(
4j
And
what
I'm
saying
to
you,
getting
it
out
of
the
water
[
i]
is
lhc
rmporlant
thing
and
getting
il
away
from
the
161
pathway
of
exposure.

I71
Suppose
the
Agency
had
slid
or
says
to
you
the
[
SI
Slate
of
MassachuseUs
has
to
come
up
with
a
site
in
its
[
g]
own
area
where
we
can
contain
it
and
control
it,
as
[
lo]
opposed
to
shipping
it,
which
would
save.
you
know,

[
ii]
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
that
could
be
used
on
[
iz]
maybe
some
other
site.
Would
that
type
of
option
be
;:
3]
totallp
offensive
to
you
or
possible
or
­

1141
MAYOR
KALISZ:
No,
not
al
ali.
We
had
early
[
i51
tliscussmns
with
DI?
as
far
as
possible
sites
in
[
i6]
Massachusetts
when
this
was
being
looked
at
and
the
1
1,)
than
the
alternatives
that
wcrc
not
being
advocated
for
~
[
PI
the
burning
and
incineration,
and
the
recognition
was
[
31
that
people
would
have
to
accept
that
it
would
have
to
be
141
I
rucked
out
[
51
But
Iherc
were
some
early
discussions
here
[
s]
rclalive
to
potential
siles
in
Massachusetts,
in
New
[
7]
Ibdmpshire,
that
appeared
to
be
likely
candidates
that
[
a]
were
ruled
out
for
­
I
forget
what
reasons.
But
they
[
g]
just
wcrcn't
viable
to
sustain
that
type
of
transfer.

[
lOI
MR.
LOEHR:
Let
me
take
one
more
question
on
[
i
11
this
particular
aspect
and
then
we'll
go
into
the
report.

[
IZ]
I
would
suggesl
that
there
may
well
be
comments
related
[
13]
lo
a
spccilic
sire
that
the
IMayor
or
others
could
address
~
141
in
context
of
some
of
the
items
in
the
report,
we
could
1151
do
that.
So,
I
don't
want
to
cut
off
a
discussion
about
[
16]
New
Iledli>
rd.
but
if
we
could
keep
it
in
context
of
the
or
71
answers
basically
came
back
that
thcrc
wcrc
no
reasonable
(
171
report.
[
16]
silcz.
l[
ie]
Mike
­
1191
MR.
DEWLING:
Yeah.
But.
SK,
Ihat's
the
whole
[`
Ql
MR.
TILCHIN:
I
can
do
a
final
context
report.
1x1
problem
I
fact
the
same
place
in
New
Jcrscy
and
Bob
WI
MR.
LOEHR:
Okay.
(
kentleman
in
the
back.
IMr.
[­
zr,
I<
owc
I~~
ssccl
3
llill
­
Congressman
Ilowe
a(
the
lime
­
and
izi]
Skaggs.
jnz1
said
wc
will
give
you
an
cx1ra
$
20
Million
just
to
site
a
1221
MR.
SKAGGS:
I;
PA
put
out
a
list
of
about
a
dozen
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necessary,
but
the
big
nut
is
the
money
and
even
they
[
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in
New
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so
we
don't
have
to
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[
I]
principles
for
handling
the
sedimentsThat
was
a
year
[
z]
or
so
ago.
One
of
them
­
actually
the
frost
one
is
[
3]
controlled
sources
and
obviously
part
of
controlling
(
41
sources
is
making
sure
that
Aerovox
is
not
continuing
to
[
s]
directly
contribute
materials.
But
we
heard
that
the
(
61
PCBs
were
also
discharged
into
various
sewer
and
sanitary
81
­
well,
it
was
unclear
whether
it
was
sanitary
sewer
or
[
a]
CSO
sewer
systems.

PI
Nave
you
all
gotten
a
pretty
good
grasp
of
where
[
IO]
those
PCBs
may
now
reside?

1111
MAYOR
KALISZ:
Scatty.
Scott
Elfonz
is
the
[
iz]
Environmental
Planner.

(
131
MR.
LOEHR:
Scott,
if
you
could
take
the
mike
1141
just
for
clarity
and
for
recording.

[
ISI
MR.
ELFONZ:
The
PCBs
were
discharged
into
both
[
is]
the
sanitary
sewer
and
the
storm
sewer.
They
have
~
171
actually
impacted
a
large
section
of
the
city's
sanitary
[
ia]
sewer
system
and
that
portion
of
the
sewer
system
has
[
ig]
been
remediated
by
the
city
in
which
we
actually
bypass
[
zo]
that
whole
section
of
the
sewer
system,
constructed
a
new
[
ZI]
main
interceptor
adjacent
to
that,
and
have
fried
that
~
221
section
of
the
sewer
system
so
we
basically
capped
that
Page
110
[
I]
contamination
in
place
in
the
sewer
system.

PI
MR.
SKAGGS:
And
that's
generally
believed
to
be
[
3]
the
only
outstanding
source
of
PCBs
to
the
system
so
you
[
4]
don't
have
anything
new
coming
in.

El
MAYOR
KALISZ:
That's
correct.
There's
no
other
[
sj
manufacturers.

VI
MR.
ELFONZ:
There's
actually
also
the
issue
of
[
a]
the
outfall
of
the
city's
waste
water
treatment
plant,

191
which
will
need
to
be
addressed,
I
believe,
in
Phase
III
[
lo]
of
the
project.
We're
not
sure
what
is
proposed
for
that
(
1
I]
work.
But
as
you
can
imagine,
the
discharge
through
the
112~
city's
sewer
system
into
the
outfall,
which
is
about
[
ia]
1,800
feet
south
of
the
existing
waste
water
treatment
1141
plant
has
impacted
that
area
as
well.

[
IsI
MR.
LOEHR:
Fred,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
[
i6]
comments,
for
taking
the
questions,
as
well
as
for
the
~
171
grand
tour.
It
was
a
great
tour
and
a
grand
tour.

(
181
(
Clapp@.)

[
I91
MR.
LOEHR:
Some
of
your
staff
that
are
here,
we
1201
would
like
to
thank
them,
but
I
would
ask
YOLI
also
to
(~(
1
relay
our
comments
and
thanks
to
all
the
other
parts
ot
~
2~
1
your
staff
that
participated
so
very
well
this
morning.
Page
111
[
il
Thank
you.

El
Again,
I've
been
reminded
to
alert
the
audience
[
3]
primarily
that
these
are
open
meetings
and
that
the
[
4]
summary
of
all
of
the
meetings
that
we
have
had
so
far
~
51
and
this
meeting,
and
the
subsequent
meetings,
are
all
[
s]
put
on
the
website
for
the
Subcommittee
so
that
everybody
[
fl
can
have
access
to
them
and
that
will
take
place
with
[
a]
regard
to
this
meeting
shortly
thereafter.
I
don't
know
[
g]
how
short
is
short
because
there's
a
lot
of
other
lo]
activities
going
on,
but
it
will
happen.

111
So
those
of
you
that
have
an
interest
in
riding
121
out
well,
what
happened
at
the
previous
meetings
­

$
31
(
End
tape
two,
side
one.)

141
MR.
LOEHR:
John,
let
me
mm
it
to
you
then
for
151
any
subsequent
comments
about
protocol
and
so
forth,
as
i
61
well
as
you
offering
some
suggestions
to
proceed.

171
MR.
EHRMANN:
Thanks,
Ray.
I'm
going
Lo
talk
a
181
bit
about
the
draft
report
and
get
into
the
structure
a
191
bit
and
then
talk
about
the
process
we
would
like
to
LIX
701
for
discussing
the
report
during
the
meeting
that
we're
211
just
beginning.
This
is
a
bit
of
an
overlap
with
what
221
Kay
said,
but
I
think
it
doesn't
hurt
to
re­
emphasize
the
Page
112
[
l]
point.

El
And
that
is
now
that
we
have
a
draft
report
it's
~
31
kind
of
a
good
news/
bad
news
story.
The
good
news
is
we
[
4]
have
a
draft
report.
and
the
bad
news
is
we
have
a
drafi
[
5]
report.
The
good
part
of
that
is,
as
Ray
said,
WC
have
a
[
6]
report
that
has
all
of
the
work
that's
been
done
by
the
'
~
71
various
working
groups
and
drafting
groups
put
in
one
,
[
al
place.
It
has
the
beginning
of
a
logical
Plow
to
it.
It
~
[
gl
has
a
structure
report.
It
has
a
table
of
contcnls.

[
IO]
It's
got
covers
on
it.
And
you
can
start
to
get
a
feel
[
II]
for
what
your
final
product
might
look
like.

[
I21
But,
as
he
said
and
I
just
want
to
re­
emphasize,

[
13)
it
also
means
that
there's
a
lot
of
material
in
there
~
141
which
is,
you
know,
as
he
mentioned,
very
uncvcn.
Some
[
15]
of
that
material
has
been
through
quite
a
bit
ol
[
i6]
discussion
in
various
working
group
pcrmealions
and
among
[
17]
this
full
group,
and
some
of
it
was
drafted
by
two
or
[~
a]
three
people
and
is
in
the
report
and
you've
never
seen
[
ig]
it
before.

L331
So,
we
believe,
and
you
agreed,
that
­
and
we
1211
still
strongly
bclievc
that
it
was
imporlanl
to
gel
all
(
221
this
information
in
one
place
and
start
to
get
a
feel
liar
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[
t]
what
it
looks
like
when
you
look
at
the
inner
[
2l
relationships
in
the
whole
context
of
the
report.
But,

131
as
Ray
said,
we,
Meridian
and
Ross,
certainly
well
[
4]
understand
the
nature
of
what's
in
there
and
the
[
5l
unevenness
of
it
and
that's
why,
of
course,
we
have
three
[
6]
more
meetings
scheduled.

171
So,
we
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
right
up
(
a]
front.
that
there's
kind
of
a
yin­
yang,
if
you
will,

[
s]
having
called
this
a
report,
part
of
which
relates
to
the
[
IO]
kind
of
things
that
show
LIP
in
the
press.
But
I
think
[
jr]
that's
part
of
what
we
work
with
in
a
FAG4
context
and
[
in]
we'll
talk
more
onThursday
morning
in
our
procedural
1131
session
just
;
tbout
any
other
continuing
issues
about
~
141
documents,
circulation
and
publication
and
all
of
that
[
isj
because
I
know
there
are
issues
around
that.

[
I61
What
does
this
draft
do?
Well.
it
establishes,

[
17]
as
1
said,
an
organizational
structure.
It
tries
to
[
is]
suggest
some
overarching
themes
and
fmdings
based
on
the
[
I91
work
of
the
Subcommittee,
and
we
intentionally
tried
to
[
20]
keep
lhe
work
of
the
subgroups
identifiable.

[
211
We
could
have
­
Molly
and
I
and
Elizabeth
could
[
zn]
have
locked
ourselves
in
a
room
and
taken
all
of
your
[
i]
good
work
and
come
out
with
something
of
about
25
pages
;
z]
and
said
this
is
what
we
think
are
the
key
131
rccommcndations
and
we
hope
you
don't
mind
that
we
threw
(
41
these
four
out
and
combined
thcsc
two
and
rcdratcd
these
[
ii
IR
El
ISot
WC
didn't
do
that.
Wc
tried
to
keep
the
171
integrity
of
what
had
been
done
by
the
working
groups
[
a]
bcc;
iuse
we
are
in
this
transition
phase,
if
you
will.
So
191
that
was
intentional.

[
101
We
did,
as
you
know
from
the
structure
of
the
[
i
I]
port,
take
some
background
material
out
and
put
it
in
the
(
121
back
of
lhc
report.
llut
in
lerms
of
really
massaging
and
113:
lxxvil~~
cdiling
what
was
in
the
content
of
the
drafts
1141
that
WC
received
from
all
of
you,
we
did
not
do
that.

[
ISI
Anti
rht's
important
for
everybody
to
recognize.

[
161
1
usI
a
note
about
structure.
Thc
overview
and
[
ii]
rccc,
ntmcntl;
ltic,
ns.
as
all
of
you
know
because
I
know
you've
[
is]
rcatl
it
cover
to
cover.
arc
on
pages
one
through
66;
and
[
is]
then
in
lhc
background
section,
K­
1
to
35,
again
are
[
2q
material
lhf
WC
took
out,
just
directly
transfcrrcd
into
;
2i]
kintl
01­
a
holding
tank,
if
you
will.
So,
you
can
rcfcr
lz]
to
II
if'vou
wan1
lo
see,
whcrc`
s
thal
thinI:
go
lhat
WC
Page
114
111
have
to
use
it.
But
it's
intended
to
give
you
a
format
~
21
for
the
various
sections
of
the
report
where
you
can
[
31
enter
in
your
comments.
We're
also
happy
to
take
your
(
41
comments
in
bold,
strike­
out,
et
cetera
right
in
the
body
151
of
the
document
if
that's
easier.
If
it's
easier
to
~
61
write
them
on
the
margin
and
send
it
to
us
that
way,

[
7]
that's
okay
too,
as
long
as
we
can
read
them.

PI
But
obviously,
the
more
electronic
you
can
do
191
the
better.
But
if
that's
not
comfortable
for
you
and
if
[
lo]
you're
better
working
on
a
hard
copy,
we'll
do
that.
We
[
III
want
to
make
the
comment
process
­
facilitate
its
ease
1121
for
you
and,
again,
on
Thursday
we're
going
to
talk
about
~
131
a
couple
additional
ideas
we
have
about
how
we
might
1141
structure
that
comment
period
­
comment
process
in
Iis]
future
iterations.

I161
And
then
WC
also
did
a
summary
of
[
I
71
recommendations.
which
was
an
effort
to
just
puIl
­

[~
a]
again,
just
mechanically
pull
out
the
various
[
I91
recommendations
and
stick
them
in
one
document.
So,
if
1201
you
want
kind
of
a
streamline
sense
of
the
[
zi]
rccomnlendations,
thcrc
they
are.

WI
Now
we'll
find,
as
WC
go
through
this
document,

1
I..­­­­­
II_
I
Page
115
[
i]
wrote
about
background?
But
we
tried
to
lighten
up
the
[
q
front
part
of
the
report
and
take
out
some
of
that
131
background
information.

c41
We've
not
included
any
attachments
yet.
We
will
~
51
be
keeping
track
of
your
suggestions
around
attachments.

[
q
We
already
have
a
list
of
what
we
believe
is
a
good
171
starting
list
for
attachments,
and
we'll
review
that
[
al
during
the
meeting.

PI
We'll
be
building
a
glossary
of
terms.
We
know
[
to]
that's
going
to
be
important.
That's
not
in
there
yet.

[
I
I]
And,
again,
we
anticipate
significant
changes
in
both
(
121
content
and
potentially
organization
as
we
go
through
'

[
i3]
these
various
iterations.

I141
You
also
received
some
documents
that
it's
[
151
important
to
pay
attention
to.
One
was
a
guidance
for
[
is]
reviewing
the
document.
This
is
particularly
important
1171
to
look
at
both
­
to
some
extent
for
our
discussion,
but
[
181
also
for
your
written
comments
in
terms
of
kind
of
[
iq
categorizing
your
concerns.
And
I'll
talk
more
about
[
20]
that
in
a
minute
,[
211
We
gave
you
a
worksheet
that
a
couple
of
people
1221
have
used
and
seems
to
be
helpful
for
them,
but
you
don't
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[
I]
that
there
are
areas
in
various
finding
sections
that
are
[
2]
basically
pseudo
recommendations
or
important
[
a]
conclusions.
Those
are
not
in
here.
We
just
literally
[
4]
pulled
out
the
things
that
were
called
recommendations.

[
5]
There
may
very
well
be,
obviously,
other
important
[
s]
statements
in
there,
but
that
was
just
a
way
to
help
you
[
7]
get
another
cut
of
what
was
in
the
document.

PI
We
talked
about
having
your
comments
in
several
[
g]
different
categories,
and
again
I
would
like
to
thank
[
IO]
those
who
have
commented
today
for
doing
a
good
job
of
[
II]
this.
One
is
I'm
very
comfortable
with
this
as
drafted.

~
121
It
looks
fine
to
me.

[
I31
Second,
I
can
live
with
this,
but
I
would
feel
~
141
better
about
it
if
I
have
a
stronger
support
for
it,
if
[
15]
it
could
be
redrafted
in
the
following
way
or
the
~
161
following
language
could
be
added,
or
this
phrase
could
1171
be
dropped,
or
that
kind
of
thing.

[
I81
You
anticipate
you
will
not
be
able
to
live
with
[
19]
a
particular
recommendation
no
matter
how
it's
drafted
[
20]
and
it's
helpful
to
have
clear
statements
like
that.
And
[
21]
then
­
and
you
have
a
new
idea
and
here
it
is.
And
I
[
22]
want
to
emphasize
this.
There's
sometimes,
I
think,
a
.~

Page
118
[
I]
temptation
at
this
stage
of
these
processes
to
say
hey,

[
z]
we've
done
all
this
work
group
work
and
we
have
all
the
[
3]
issues
and
there's
no
room
for
any
new
ideas.
We
just
[
4]
have
to
fight
over
the
ideas
that
we
have
in
the
[
5]
document.

161
I
think
the
Chair
and
we
agree
we
don't
expect
p]
to
have
a
lot
of
new
issues
at
this
stage,
but
we're
[
a]
still
open
to
new
ideas.
So,
in
this
two/
three
day
[
g]
session
and
in
your
written
comments
if
you
have
another
[
lo]
way
to
get
at
one
of
these
issues,
another
option,

[
ti]
another
approach,
please
don't
stop
the
creative
process
~
121
of
trying
to
think
about
those.
We've
got
­
as
the
1131
Chairman
said,
we've
got
five
months
left
in
this
process
1141
and
if
you've
got
another
way
to
think
about
mega
sites,

[
15]
or
another
way
to
think
about
NPL
priorities
or
whatever
(
161
it
is,
those
ideas
need
to
get
entered
into
the
(
171
discussion
because
it's
only
by
trading
those
kind
of
[
ia]
ideas
that
we'll
build
as
much
agreement
as
we
possibly
Ii91
can.

K331
Sue,
did
you
have
a
point
that?

PI
MS.
BRIGGUM:
Yes.
This
is
a
mechanical
pq
question,
but
when
you
see
something
that
you
don't
agree
I­

Page
119
[
i]
with
there
are
two
ways
you
can
address
it.
You
can
[
z]
either
tell
you
I
can't
live
with
this,
or
you
can
say
­

[
3]
it's
fme
to
say
some
people
think
and
other
people
think
~
41
why.

[
51
Do
you
have
a
preference?
The
way
I've
been
[
6]
doing
is
whenever
I
can't
live
with
it
I
say
some
people
[
7]
and
then
other
people
say
something
else.
Is
that
[
E]
helpful
in
the
document
or
is
that
going
in
the
wrong
[
g]
direction?

101
MR.
EHRMANN:
Well,
I
think
both
are
helpful,

1
I]
quite
frankly.
I
mean,
it's
helpful
to
know
where
you
121
have
a
serious
concern
and
then
if
you
can
make
131
suggestions
for
kind
of
some
people
language
that
would
­

141
­
you
know,
some
parties
support
this
and
some
don't
and
is]
here's
why,
that's
also
very
helphll.

161
So,
I
think
it's
­
and
the
latter
kind
of
171
infers
the
firrst.
So,
if
you
do
the
second
way,
you
181
don't
necessarily
have
to
also
say
and
if
you
don't
.
ig]
change
it
I'm
not
happy.
I
mean,
1
think
we'll
­
we'll
:
20]
assume
that
from
the
way
you
structure
the
­
you
know
:
21]
If
a
document
says
there
was
consensus
on
X
and
you
1221
redraft
it
to
say
well,
not
exactly.
Some
parties
Page
120
[
I]
thought
X,
but
some
thought
Y,
you
know,
it
will
be
[
2]
pretty
clear.

(
31
But
I
want
­
that
kind
of
relates
to
my
point
I
[
4]
just
made
about
continuing
to
put
creative
ideas
on
the
[
5]
table.
I
mean,
I
don't
think
­
we've
said
all
the
way
[
S]
along
and
Ray
emphasized
it,
that
we
fully
anticipate
on
[
7]
an
issue
as
complex
as
this
one,
with
as
many
issues
­

[
s]
complicated
issues
as
are
in
the
charge
and
the
trature
01
[
9]
this
group
lhdt
we're
not
going
to
have
a
report
whcrc
[
lo]
every
recommendation,
every
conclusion
is
supported
1~)

[
I
I]
everybody.
We
recognize
that.

1121
But
I
think
it's
part
of
our
responsibility
up
~
~
131
here
to
keep
pushing
all
ol'
you
to
look
for
proposals
and
~
141
options
that
do
gain
the
broadest
possible
support
and
1151
hopefully
the
consensus
of
the
Ml
Subcommittee.

[
I61
So,
we
will
go
to
language
about
some
~
171
people/
some
people
when
we
need
to,
but
we're
going
to
[
is]
continue
to
push
back
on
you
in
our
discussions
and
say,

[
jq
well,
yeah,
you
could
do
that,
but
if
WC
tinkerrd
with
~
201
this
main
statement,
coulcl
you
live
with
it
that
way
mtl
[
ZI]
­
you
know,
that's
the
kind
of
testing
we
all
need
to
do
[
22]
with
each
other.
Bul
we
certainly
anticipate
that
some
~~
­­­­..­~­
__.

page
117
­
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120
(
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Page
123
111
of
dlese
major
­
some
of
these
points
are
going
to
end
[
z]
up
being
addressed
by
saying
there
was
not
an
agreement
~
31
in
the
group
and
here's
what
the
views
were
or
there
was
141
agreement
on
the
problem
and
we
came
up
with
two
options
(
51
to
try
to
address
it
and
we
couldn't
agree
on
which
161
option,
but
here's
the
two
options
and
the
pros
and
cons,

(
71
wlr~
ch
wc
already
have
some
language
like
that
in
the
[
a]
drafi
at
this
point.

PI
Vicky
and
then
Jim.

f101
MR.
DEROUIN:
I'm
dropping
it
now.

11
11
MR.
EHRMANN:
Oh,
I'm
sorry.
I'm
sorry.
You
[
IZ]
went
up
and
down.
1
don't
know
if
YOLI
were
­

[
I31
MS.
PETERS:
I
think
you
answered
the
question.

1141
It
­
as
just
a
clarification
following
Sue's
comment.
Do
[
ISI
you
anticipate
in
the
final
document
that
there
will
be
[
16!
language
that
says
some
people
say
this,
other
people
say
[
I
71
that.
or
arc
you
really
just
going
to
include
where
there
fit31
is
consensus?

[
1%
MR.
EHRMANN:
No.
We
agreed
at
the
Phoenix
­

1201
well,
prior
to
the
Phoenix
meeting,
but
I
think
re­

[
zi]
emphasized
at
the
phoenix
meeting
that
­
and
the
Agency,

[
zz]
I
think,
supported
this,
that
they
would
like
­
they
1
[
I]
being
clear
about
where
there
was
agreement
and
in
cases
[
zj
where
there
isn't,
then
we
want
to
describe
that
as
131
accurately
as
we
can.

I41
Kate.
We'll
just
go
around.

I51
MS.
PROBST:
I
was
just
going
to
say
a
comment
lsl
to
that.
I
think
it's
really
important
sometimes
in
the
(
71
draft
report
­
1
know
it's
very
early
on
­
it's
clear
[
a]
that
there's
an
area
that's
really
sort
of
a
lightening
l9l
rod
for
folks.
Sometimes
it
just
says
some
people/
other
`[
lo]
people.
1
find
this
some
people/
other
people
­

[
I
11
sometimes
it's
sort
of
covering
up
an
area
where
there
1121
really
is
deep
division
among
the
group
and
I
think
that
(
131
then
it's
just
used
as
cover
for
EPA
or
whomever
to
do
[
14]
whatever
they
want.

[
ISI
So,
1
guess
I
just
urge
you
guys
in
the
final
[
IG]
writing
that
where
there
really
is
an
issue
that's
a
(
171
lightening
rod
they
need
to
know
that
clearly.
And
so
[
IS]
the
mealy
mouth
language,
I
think,
doesn't
really
help
jr91
anybody.
So
I
discourage
that.

WI
MR.
BHRMANN:
And
I
think
that's
­
we
need
your
:
(
211
help
in
kind
of
feeling
our
way
through
those
areas
that
[
ZZJ
need
that
and
don't
need
that
and
where
that
­
you
know.
__­__
I_­

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122
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124
(
11
would
rather
have
options,
even
if
they
aren't
fully
121
supported
by
everybody
then
have
­
throw
everything
out
131
unless
it's
complete
consensus
bccausc,
you
know,
again,

~
4)
grvcn
the
nature
of
the
issues
I
think
they
want
to
see
(
51
the
thinking
of
the
group
as
il
relates
to
some
of
the
161
options.

(
71
We're
an
advisory
committee
and
they
can
look
at
[
6]
it
and,
you
know,
make
the
decisions
they
want
to
make.

191
but
if
wc
­
we
don't
want
Lo
get
into
an
all
or
nothing
[
IO]
kind
of
calculation
there.

1111
On
the
other
hand,
you
know,
our
goal
is
lo
have
[
IZ;
a
report
at
me
cm1
of
the
day
that
all
of
you
can
say
1131
that's
an
honest,
clear
reprcscntation
of
what
we
talked
(
141
about.
So,
WC
want
consensus
on
the
report
being
an
[
161
accurate
summary
of
everything
you
agreed
on
in
those
[
i
61
areas
wlicre
you
had
diffcrenccs
and
a
clear
summation
of
[
ii]
that.`
lhat
WC'
want
a
consensus
on.

[`
K
\
l'ou
know,
we
don't
want
to
get
to
the
end
of
the
[
ig]
day
and
somebody
says
I
don't
think
this
report,
~
OLI
[
zo]
know,
rel`
lccis
whal
we
did
and
it's
not
­
you
know,
that
(?
I]
kind
ol
thing.'
l`
ht
would
be,
I
think,
a
serious
problem
[
z]
lrorii
this
sitlc
of
thc
table.
But
wc
want
to
get
there
by
~
11
So
I
think
we're
certainly
open
to
different
ways
of
l2l
dealing
with
that.

131
Jim,
and
then
Vicky.

(
41
MR.
DEROUIN:
A
couple
of
comments
and
then
one
[
sl
question.
1
think
it
would
be
helpful
if
you
could
get
[
61
to
us
as
quickly
as
you
can.
Everything
that
you
have
(
71
already
concluded
should
be
an
attachment
because
[
a]
sometimes
there
is
stuff
in
the
attachments
that
is
­

[
9]
that
people
will
want
to
comment
on.

IlOl
Number
two,
I
don't
know
about
other
people,
but
1
[
I
11
t
found
th
*
.
L
several
page
summary
and
the
body
of
the
/
[
121
document
to
be
significantly
inconsistent
with
each
other
1~
13)
on
a
couple
of
issues.
Okay.
And
I
don't
know
here
~
141
whether
we're
going
to
start
with
the
summary
or
the
li5l
document.
Bul
that
leads
to
my
final
question.

[
ISI
Appendix
II.
What
is
the
purpose
for
Appendix
B
i
~
171
because
­
is
it
simply
going
to
be
a
shorter
version
of
1
[
Mel
the
report?
And
the
reason
I
ask
that
is
that
some
of
(
191
the
things
on
which
I
have
comments
show
up
in
both
the
lzo]
body
of
the
report
and
Appendix
B.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
C;
oocl
qucstion.
Appendix
Is
is
just
1221
a
transient
animal.
I
mean,
it's
only
there
for
this
.
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[
i]
meeting
to
give
you
­
again,
we
didn't
want
to
take
121
stuff
out
of
work
group
products
and
have
you
say
where
131
did
it
go?
I
need
to
find
it.
We
just
thought
we
would
[
4]
stick
it
in
there.
We
don't
anticipate
that
being
even
[
sl
in
the
next
draft
of
the
report.
That
really
was
just
to
[
q
help
with
this,
kind
of,
transition
draft
that
we're
[
7]
dealing
with
because
you're
exactly
­
it's
intentionally
[
al
duplicative
in
some
ways
because
we
just
took
the
[
q
language
straight
out
so
you
would
see
the
context.

[
lOI
Vicky.

(
111
MS.
PETERS:
Appendix
B,
you
mean
Background
­

[
I21
MR.
EHRMANN:
Background
B
is
what
he's
saying.

(
131
MS.
PETERS:
Okay.

[
I41
MR.
EHRMANN:
Chapter
B.

(
151
MS.
PETERS:
It
hasn't
been
clear
to
me
­
I
(
161
mean,
you're
talking
on
the
slide
about
new
ideas
and
1171
then
when
we
were
doing
our
templates
there
was
a
place
[
IS]
for
new
ideas
and
new
­
you
know,
additional
research.

[
I91
It
hasn't
been
clear
to
me
what
was
in
mind
by
[
20]
that.
To
what
extent,
I
think,
clearly
­
to
the
extent
[
zi]
that
we're
dealing
with
some
of
these
issues
and
people
1221
aren't
sure
where
they
are
on
them.
You
know,
what
more
._____.
.­­­

Page
126
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125
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127
[
ll
there,
but
your
point
we
strongly
suggest
that
this
issue
[
2]
be
looked
at
by
another
body.
But
not
us,
of
course.

[
3]
You
know,
we
sign
off
on
it.
Good­
bye.
Go
find
another
~
41
group.

~
(
51
But
my
point
is
yes.`
I'hc
answcc
is
that
we're
(
61
not
cutting
those
off
­
I
forget
what
section
it's
in
in
pl
here,
but
there
was
an
attempt
to
have
some
suggestions
[
a]
or
placeholder
­
actually
it's
additional
considerations
[
g]
is
the
terminology
that's
used
here.
We
probably
can
[
IO]
come
up
with
a
better
one
for
that,
but
that's
what
that
[
I
11
one
is
for.
So,
do
not
omit
your
thoughts
up
that.

(
121
MS.
PETERS:
Okay.

[
I31
MR.
LOEHR:
While
I
have
­
for
a
second
here.

[
14]
I
want
to
come
to
something
that
Kate
said.
Not
to
pick
~
~
15~
out
Kate
or
her
words,
but
just
lo
make
it
very
clear
~
11
information
they
need
to
decide.

121
But
on
the
other
hand,
I
felt
that,
you
know,

[
3]
kind
of
early
on
a
lot
of
us,
at
least,
felt
that,
you
141
know,
we
have
an
awful
lot
on
our
plate
and
we
need
to
(
51
hone
down
what
we
can
really
do
well
and
do
quality
more
IS]
than
quantity.

[
71
But
I
thought
that
we
had
an
agreement
that
we
[
tq
would
flag
issues
that
we
just
were
not
able
to
get
to,

(
91
but
that
we
thought
EPA
really
should
look
at.
And
I'm
[
IO]
hoping
that
that's
still
on
the
table
as
a
separate,

[
I
I]
perhaps,
section
of
the
report
saying,
you
know,
these
~
121
following
areas
we
didn't
get
a
chance
to
get
into,
but
(
131
WC
think
really
need
more
work.

(
141
MR.
LOEHR:
No,
that's
still
on
the
table
and
(
151
I'm
hoping
that
we
will
be
active
in
terms
of
producing
~
161
something
like
that.
That's
a
parking
lot.
That's
a
~
171
sort
of
situation.
Not
only
did
we
not
get
there
because
[
IS]
of
time
or
something,
but
we
­
when
we
did
get
there
we
(
191
may
not
have
had
enough
time
to
come
to
agreement
yes
or
1201
no
along
these
lines.

[
211
Equally,
and
a
third
point,
we
may
come
up
with
[
PHI
some
things
that
said
WC
didn't
have
enough
time
to
get
[
I61
You
know,
we're
not
going
to
write
the
report.

[
17]
The
point
is
that
you
all
arc
writing
the
report
and
we
[
is]
need
your
input.
I
can't
remember
what
you
said,
Kate,

[
IQ]
but
there
was
an
inference
of
what
are
you
going
to
do.

PJI
Well,
what
we're
going
to
do
is
package
­
we're
[
zi]
going
to
synthesize
­
we're
going
to
integrate.
My
[
22]
point
is
we
need
some
written
stuff
from
you
folks
to
Page
128
[
I]
make
it
clear
what
goes
where.
I
don't
remember
your
[
2]
words,
but
I
took
it
that
way.

[
31
I
apologize
if
I
took
them
out
of
context,
but
I
[
4]
do
want
to
emphasize
the
point
that
we
need
explicit
[
5]
written
something
from
everybody
that
we'll
Lhcn
try
to
[
6]
massage
and
then
you
can
take
another
shot
at
it
at
some
F]
other
future
time.

[
El
MR.
EHRMANN:
I'll
say
­
Jim,
I
think
it's
[
Q]
still
up
from
before.
Jim,
do
you
have
another
comment?

[
101
MR.
DEROUIN:
No
­
oh,
excuse
me.

1111
MR.
EHRMANN:
I'm
going
to
say
more
in
a
little
(
121
bit
about
the
kind
of
process
from
this
meeting
on
and
(
131
then
I'll
come
back,
I
think,
for
this
drafting
question
[
14]
a
bit.
So,
again,
we're
asking
you
to
submit
any
~
151
final
written
comments
on
this
draft
no
later
than
the
[
16]
27th.
Again,
as
I
said,
you
know
if
you
got
cxtenualing
[
17]
circumstances
let
us
know
Just
so
we
know
to
bc
[
re]
expecting
something.

[
IQ1
We
will
be,
as
Ray
just
said,
integrating
those
[
PO]
comments
into
a
new
draft.
Now,
we're
not
just
going
Lo
[
zi]
lake
scissors
­
electronic
scissors
and
cut
out
whal
you
[
zz]
say
and
stick
it
in
thcre.
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­
if
you
hwe,
obviously,
specific
wording
for
[
zl
recommendaGon,
we're
going
to
use
that.
But
it's
our
[
q
responsibility,
I
think,
up
here,
Meridian
and
Ross,
in
141
conjunction
with
the
Chair
to
produce
a
next
draft
that
[
q
will
be
smoother
than
this
draft.

El
So.
on
the
next
draft
we're
going
to
take
more
171
libcrtics
based
on
your
guidance,
as
Ray
was
just
saying,

181
in
terms
of
streamlining
things
and
trying
to
get
rid
of
(
9)
duplication
or
annotating.
Say,
you
know,
WC
think
we
[
Sol
should
drop
this.
What
do
you
guys
think?
You
know,
the
[
I
11
kind
of
notes
that
we
have
in
there
already.
I3ut
sooner
[
is?]
or
later
some
set
of
people
have
to
take
the
~
131
responsibility
of
doing
that
massaging.

I141
The
ideas,
though
­
the
specific
wording,
the
[
ISI
spccilic
recommendations
and
aII
that
­
is
going
to
be
[
161
what
comes
from
you.
We're
not
going
to
create
new
1171
recommendations
or
say,
gee,
we
think
it
would
bc
good
to
[
ia]
fill
a
gap
if
­
we'll
just
make
one
up.
That's
got
to
I191
come
from
the
work
that's
already
been
done
and
from
your
[
zcq
commcnls
and
from
this
discussion.

(
21:
But
the.
kind
of,
editing
process,
if
you
will,

[
zzl
of`
continuing
to
make
this
;
I
smoother
document
is
[
I]
important,
and
if
you
think
we
ought
to
drop
something
lzl
because
it's
not
helpful,
it's
using
Ray's
rule
about
why
~
31
we're
saying
it
and
who
are
we
talking
to
about
it.
We
~
41
want
to
make
those
decisions.

151
In
those
cases
where
there
is
disagreement,
we
[
IX]
want
to
start
thinking
about
the
process
for
moving
that
I
~
71
issue
forward.
Is
it
a
small
group
that
can
do
some
la]
additional
thinking
and
discussion
by
conference
caII
or
[
q
small
meetings
and
inputting
that,
et
cetera.
Again,

[
IO]
we'll
talk
more
about
that
onThursday
morning.

Ii11
We
want
to
work
coward
as
much
consensus
as
we
(
1~
1
can
reach
on
specific
issues
and,
again,
an
overall
[
13l
consensus
in
support
of
the
report.
And
in
some
cases,

1141
again,
we
may
go
to
options
and
pros
and
cons.
We
y151
already
have
some
of
that,
but
we
don't
want
to
move
[
ISI
there
too
quickly.
We
want
to
continue
to
push
and
see
[
17]
if
there
are
new
ways
of
addressing
these
issues
that
can
lrel
perceive
broad
approval
or
broad
support.
Okay.

[
191
Now
the
overview
findings.
Those
overview
(
201
lindings
in
the
front
of
the
document
were
drafted
by
1211
Meridian/
Ross,
silly
us,
in
an
effort
to
begin
the
___.­­
1221
process
of
trying
to
capture
some
big
messages
from
the
Page
130
Page
132
[
I]
somclhing
tliat's
a
responsibility
of
Meridian
and
Ross.

121
Wc'rc
not
going
to
get
a
work
group
together
and
say
131
write
that
Ihr
two.
front
to
back.
I
think
that's
­

(
41
we've
got
to
do
that
as
part
of
our
responsibility.

1%
And
WC
will
give
you
­
on
Thursday
we'll
go
!
6]
through
in
some
detaii
how
we
see
this
happening.
But
[
7]
the
bottom
line
is
we
will
have
another
draft
out
to
you,

[
al
wc'rc
hoping,
three
weeks
prior
to
the
September
meeting
is]
So
you
will
have
a
revised
drdfl
that
you
will
have
a
to]
chance
to
make
comments
on
well
prior
to
the
­
because
I
I]
WC
got
August.
So,
we're
going
to
try
to
give
everybody
121
cxlra
lime
bccausc
it's
August,
but
it
is
going
to
lx
131
Augusl.
Wc
can't
do
anything
about
that.`
l'o
read
that
141
nest
draft.

151
So,
again.
you
can
do
written
comments
and
come
161
prepared
to
discuss
that
draft
having
had
;
I
chance
to
171
really
look
at
it
pretty
carclillly.

181
So.
our
goal
during
this
mccling;
assess
where
191
thcrc
1s
agrcemcnt,
where
people
are
generally
201
comfi~
rtablc
with
the
direction
of
a
particular
section;

?
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(
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~
mrrom'
the
discussion
as
we
go
through
those
z;`
l
scctlons,
thr
issues
that
you
think
are
particularly
(
11
rcport.
Those
are
only
intended
to
start
what
I
know
[
zl
will
bc
a
vigorous
debate
about
what
those
crosscutting
[
3]
issues
arc.
We've
already
gotten
some
very
good
feedback
141
on
those.

19
I'm
lalking
about
the
overview
findings
that
are
IS]
in
the
first
section
that
starts
with
Superfund
Program
­

~
71
­
there's
still
a
need
for
the
Superfund
Program,

[
al
Programs
to
be
Funded
at
Particular
Levels
­
that
191
section.

`
01
We
fully
anticipate
that
many
of
these
will
be
111
maybe
torn
up
and
thrown
away
or
started
over
or
combined
121
or
there
will
be
five
more
we
haven't
thought
of
yet.

131
But
WC
felt
it
was
important
to
start
the
process
of
141
starting
to
think
about
those
kind
of
crosscutting
themes
IS]
that
Ray
mentioned
in
his
remarks
and
we
would
anticipate
16)
in
the
final
product
to
be,
kind
of,
up
front
in
the
171
document,
both
in
an
executive
summary
and
in
the
full
[!
B]
document.

v91
I'll
talk
to
you
just
a
second
about
how
we
lzo]
propose
talking
about
those
in
the
context
of
the
full
[
ZI]
rcporl.
Hut
I
did
want
to
make
it
clear
that
those
were,

[
zzl
you
know,
a
very
lirst
cut
and
WC
anticipate
they'll
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[(
I
destroyed.

64
I
think
we
can
move
to
the
next
slide.
So,
let
[
3]
me
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
outline
of
the
report.

[
4]
Again,
we're
anticipating
the
all
of
you
being
listed,

[
5]
obviously;
an
introduction
letter
from
the
Chair;
an
[
s]
executive
summary,
and
I
won't
repeat
that
because
Ray
v]
explained
it
very
well
in
his
commentsThen
there
will
[
a]
be
the
overview,
which
would
include
the
charge,
the
(
91
organization
of
the
report,
et
cetera.

UOI
And
then
we
would
start
into
these
sections.

[
i
11
Embedded
in
this
is
our
suggestion
for
our
agenda
for
the
[
12]
next
day
and
a
half.
So,
kind
of
built
this
in.
Thdt
we
[
13]
would
spend
this
afternoon,
about
an
hour,
with
an
1141
initial
discussion
on
these
key
fmdings
and
the
overall
[
i5]
structure
of
the
report.

[
I61
So,
if
you
have,
you
know,
major
comments
about,

[
17]
you
know,
I
don't
like
this
finding
or
I
think
we're
[
ia]
missing
a
major
theme,
I
think
it's
this
or
­
you
know,

[
19]
I
don't
know
why
we
organized
the
report
this
way.
I'm
~
201
thinking
about
turning
it
upside
down.
We
could
talk
~
211
about
these
fmding,
obviously,
for
a
day
and
a
half.

[
22]
But
we
want
to
take
about
an
hour,
in
keeping
with
Kay's
.­­­___.

Page
134
[
I]
and
then
we're
going
lo
hold
the
Coordinating
Comtniltce
[
2]
until
later
tomorrow
because
it
kind
of
relates
to
the
~
31
potential
application
to
a
number
of
different
topics.

[
4]
So,
we
thought
it
was
better
to
park
that
one
until
we
[
5]
get
later
down
the
list.

[
sl
And
this
afternoon
we'll
also
try
to
gel
through
(
71
the
Federal
program
section,
again
focusing
primarily
on
[
a]
those
pages
that
I've
designated
there.

WI
And
then
in
the
morning
we
pick
up
with
State
IO]
programs.
A
short
discussion
on
pollution
prevention.

111
Again,
we
don't
have
that
draft,
but
we
need
to
ldlk
121
about
how
to
handle
the
issue.
And
on
through
the
day.

131
You'll
see,
we've
got
a
question
mark
on
the
141
RIFS
funding
prioritization
piece
because
Ed
drafted
it
151
and,
therefore,
who
cares.
No,
I'm
just
kidding.
Ed
[
16]
suggested
it
and
it
may
fit
better
glued
onto
anolher
[
IT]
section.
So,
we
want
to,
kind
of,
visit
that
issue.
Wc
[
is]
may
decide
we
don't
need
the
full
30
minutes
Lbr
that
at
[
19]
that
point
in
the
agenda.
And
then
take
a
bit
more
time
[
20]
on
program
funding
and
efficiencies
and
prioritization
of
[
21]
sites;
once
around
the
NPL,
about
45
minutes
each;
and
(
221
then
an
hour
for
the
large
complex
sites
and
an
hour
for
`
I
/'

[
I]
suggested
ground
rules,
concise
comments
about
your
121
initial
reactions
to
that
frost
part
of
the
report.
That
[
3l
overview
part
of
the
report
or
the
report
organization.

L41
Then
we
want
to
move
into
the
use
of
the
NPL
151
section
and
I
­
we
designated
page
numbers
here
because
[
s]
we
want
to
focus
­
again,
we're
not
going
to
have
time
~
1
to
go
through
every
page
of
this
report
and
even
get
[
a]
everybody's
big
comments.
So,
we
want
to
focus
on
(
91
sections
that
we
believe
contain,
kind
of,
the
heart
of
[
jo]
the
matter
as
it
relates
to
a
particular
chapter.
And,

11
i]
again,
that's
a
little
inconsistent
because
of
the
bet
[
IZ]
that
these
documents
were
generated
by
different
drafting
[
13]
groups,
and
in
some
cases
it's
all
in
the
~
141
recommendations,
and
in
some
cases
it's
in
the
f­
mdings,

1151
and
in
some
cases
it's
up
front,
some
cases
it's
better
1161
expressed
in
the
summary
of
recommendations
in
the
back.

(
171
But
the
bottom
line
is
we're
going
to
draw
your
[
la]
attention
to
particular
pages
and
we
tried
to
designate
[
jg]
those
up
here
and
spend
about
30
minutes
per
those
first
,201
two
issues;
use
of
NPL,
early
screening,
and
then
a
few
1211
minutes
on
the
issue
of
what
we
should
do
in
terms
of
the
[
72]
IIRS
draft
because
that's
kind
of
par1
of
that
section,
­

Page
135
Page
136
[
I]
the
Measuring
Program
Performance.

(
21
This
basically
takes
us
up
to
about
2:
30
[
3]
tomorrow
afternoon,
which
would
give
us
a
little
bit
of
(
41
time
before
we
go
into
the
Environmental
Justice
Panel
[
s]
that
Dolores
and
Mildred
has
helped
us
organize
for
[
6]
tomorrow
afternoon.

[
71
So,
that
is
­
what
we
are
going
to
need
to
do
[
a]
in
terms
of
being
able
to
talk
about
these
topics,

[
q
obviously,
in
that
relatively
constrained
timeframe
that
[
IO]
I'm
laying
out
is
the
following:
First
of
all,
we
really
[
I
11
are
going
to
need
to
stick
to
the
high
drea
of
import;
mcc
~
121
in
each
section
that
we've
tried
to
designate.
Now.
il
[
13]
we
missed
the
page
numbers
by
hall'
a
page.
you
know,

[
14]
we'll
talk
about
it.
I'm
not
trying
to
be
overly
literal
[
15]
about
this,
bul
we
do
need
to
stick
to
the,
kind
of,

[
16]
what's
the
major
thrust
of
the
recommendations
or
[
17]
proposals
or
findings
in
that
section,
not
the
nuances
01
[
re]
the
background,
et
cetera.

1191
Those
comments
on
those
sections
WC
will
gel
in
/
[
20]
your
written
commenls.
WC
will
take
them
into
dccounl
pi]
We
will
IKlor
them
into
the
ncxl
draft.
But
wr'rc
just
[
22]
not
going
to
have
time
to
talk
through
them
all.

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139
111
Second,
we
really
need
the
comments
to
be
at
Ii]
would
take
me
to
address.
But
thank
you
for
asking.

Iz]
about
IO.
000
f&
t
­
not
30,000,
but
not
5,000.
We're
PI
MS.
SUBRA:
You're
comfortable
with
it?

~
31
not
looking
for
word
smiting;
we're
not
looking
for
that
[
31
MR.
BREEN:
Yeah.
We'll
have,
perhaps,
some
[
A)
kind
of
Lhing
in
the
discussion.
Again,
if
you
have
[
4]
words
­
level
changes,
but
not
the
10,000
foot
level
Iq
particular
words
we
want
them
for
alternative
language.
[
q
kind
of
changes.

(
61
But
we
need
it
at
the
level
of
­
you
know,
thcsc
two
161
MS.
SUBRA:
Okay.
Thanks.

[
71
options
I
just
cannot
see
how
I
could
ever
support
option
(
71
MR.
EHRMANN:
Good
point.
lhanks,
Wihna.
Okay.

~
81
one
because
dah­
dah­
dah­
dah­
dah.
Now,
if
option
one
said
[
a]
Final
slide
­
oops.
Back
to
the
final
slide.

[
q
this
I
might
feel
better.?`
hat's
the
kind
of
comments
we
[
91
Again,
we
want
to
focus
on
these
key
issues.
We
[
lo]
need.
Or
J'm
uncomfortable
with
the
basic
thrust
of
this
[
to]
need
your
written
comments.
As
I
just
said,
we
need
to
~
1
I]
section
because
I
think
it
ought
to
be
doing
this
versus
[
ii]
move
on
at
certain
points.

[
IZ]
that
with
enough
detail
that
we
know
what
you're
VdkiIIg
[
I21
Remember
that
consensus
recommendations
are
[
13]
about.
I131
going
Lo
have
more
impact
on
the
Agency
than
lack
of
­

[
I41
So,
as
you
think
about
your
comments
over
the
(
141
you
know,
if
we
end
up
seven
views
on
a
two­
sided
issue,

[
ISI
next
day
and
a
half,
it's
­
you
know,
it
will
bc
a
(
151
that's
not
going
to
be
as
helpful
to
the
Agency
as
having
[
ICI
balancing
act
and
the
Chair
and
I
will
do
our
best
to
try
I161
more
coherent
recommendations,
either
consensus
or
1171
to
keep
us
at
the
right
elevation
here
and
not
any
­
not
~
171
clearly
articulated
options
that
are
based
on
a
good
[
la]
either
nosediving
to
the
ground
or
hit
any
obstructions.
[
18]
sound
analysis.

[
19]
But
WC
need
to
be
at
about
thal
level
so
that
we
can
keep
`
I191
And
no
one
ever
said
this
would
be
easy.
This
(
20)
the
discussion
moving.
~
201
kind
of
process
is
not
easy.
It
takes
a
lot
of
hard
work
E'l
And
when
WC
get
to
the
30
minutes.
WC
may
not
[
zi]
to
try
to
see
where
advice
to
the
Agency
can
be
put
[
221
gel
everybody
in
on
every
issue.
We're
just
going
to
~
(
221
together
in
a
way
that's
both
going
to
be
useful
to
the
~­~

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140
[
i]
have
to
move
on.
We'll
do
our
best
Lo
be
fair,
111
Agency
and
represent
the
broad
support
of
the
group
121
that's
21s
diverse
as
this
one.
[
ZJ
obviolrsly,
about
who
gets
to
speak.
Ilopcfully,
if
people
131
arc
concise,
we
can
get
most
of
the
major
comments
in
in
~
41
the
timeframe
that
we've
allotted.
But
if
we
have
to
~
51
move
on,
we'll
move
on
bccausc
I
think
no
one
wants
to
be
Iq
at
2:
OO
tomorrow
and
wc'vc
only
gotten
through
half
of
171
thcsc
chapters.
I
think
that
would
be
suboptimal
in
[
a]
terms
of
what
we
riced
at
this
stage
of
our
deliberations.

PI
Wilma,
question?
Comment.

`
01
MS.
SUBRA:
On
the
111
priori~
ization/
charactcrization
we
have
the
Larry
and
12;
Barr)­
show
WC
have
Barry
here
today
and
Larry
here
131
tomorrow.
Jlavc
you
all
decided
it's
better
to
do
it
with
141
Larry
and
not
Barry?
Iiave
you
Ilad
that
discussion?

151
MR.
EHRMANN:
What
about
Curly
and
Moe?
What
do
161
you
think?
No.
We
did
not
take
that
into
account
when
171
we
were
deciding
this
particularly
ordering.
JP
it
makes
ia]
scnsc
lo
flip/
flop
or
something,
we
can
certainly
do
191
that
Xl]
MR.
BREEN:
Actually,
thanks.
Wc'vc
had
a
211
cl~
ancc
IO
look
at
it
and
1
think
it
would
bc
fine
with
221
1.
x­
l­
y
tomorrow
J
don't
think
thcrc
arc
issues
that
it
PI
As
we
were
saying
at
breakfast
this
morning,
in
~
41
some
ways
we're
just
­
the
fun
is
just
beginning
with
151
this
draft.
But
our
real
intent
here
was
to
get
all
the
1
[
6]
information,
all
the
good
work
that
you
all
have
been
j
171
doing
through
the
work
group
process
in
one
place
so
that
Ie]
WC
can
begin
to
really
see
which
parts
of
this
need
more
[
sl
rclincment,
which
parts
need
to
be
dropped,
and
what's
[
lo]
going
to
be
helpfnl
in
terms
of
the
final
report.

1111
Just
one
other,
kind
of,
logistic
­
I
want
to
[
IZI
remind
people
about
these
upcoming
dates
so
that
we
can
~
131
return
to
this
issue
on
yhursday
morning
for
some
final
1141
decision­
making
about
DecemberAnd
we
also
have
another
115)
decision
to
make.
which
is
whether
WC
keep
these
as
two­

(
161
day
mcclings
or
WC
add
a
day,
like
we
did
for
this
~
171
mccting.`
I`
hesc
are
all,
just
to
remind
everyone,
DC
`[
Is]
rncclings.
W:
lshington
DC
meetings.

Ij91
September
3­
4.
which
I
believe
is
a
[
zo]
Wedncstl;~
y/`
l'hursday.
And
we
only
have
one
option
there
I[
211
for
oxtcnding
it
if
we're
going
to.
It
would
be
Friday.

[
zz]
Ilccausc
if
we
cxtcnded
it
toTuesday,
it
would
mean
to
be
_­
;­
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II]
say
one
more
word
about
the
overall
agenda,
and
then
I'll
lz]
turn
it
back
to
you.
Again,
our
plan
today
is
to
proceed
Is]
with
our
discussion
until
about
­
depending
on
how
much
~
41
public
comment
has
been
asked
for,
probably
about
5:
30.

(
51
We
would
work
our
way
through
these
sections
of
the
Is]
report
that
I
suggested
for
this
afternoon
and
then
have
171
public
comment
and
wrap
up
no
later
than
6:
00
today.

PI
And
then
we
do
have
a
group
dinner.
What's
the
[
a]
dinner
situation?

IlO1
FEMALE
VOICE:
Yes.

[
IfI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yes,
we're
having
dinner.

1121
FEMALE
VOICE:
We'll
report
back
to
you
after
1131
break.

[
141
MR.
EHRMANN:
Okay.

Cl51
FEMALE
VOICE:
(
Inaudible.)

[
I61
MR.
EHRMANN:
Okay.
But
we're
going
to
go
there
~
171
on
the
Mayor's
trolleys,
so
you
don't
have
to
know
where
lls]
it
is.
You
just
have
to
know
where
the
trolley
is
and
[
jq
you'll
get
there.
So,
we'll
explain
all
that
in
detail
[
zo]
timing
to
you
a
little
bit
later.

P11
And
then
tomorrow
morning
we'll
have
­
we'll
Ia21
start
up
at
8:
30
with
any
agenda
review
and
adjustments
~~~
~~.___~
­­­­­.
I
[
I]
wrap
everything
up
no
later
than
12:
30
so
cvcrybocly
can
21
get
on
with
their
respective
travel
needs.
And
that
s]
session,
as
we've
done
before,
will
focus
on
meeting
41
scheduling,
planning,
work
group
designations,
process
51
for
continuing
to
do
the
work
on
the
issues
that
we'll
be
61
talking
about
this
afternoon
and
tomorrow.

71
And,
for
the
public,
if
you
are
wishing
to
make
a]
a
public
comment
either
today
or
tomorrow,
please
sign
up
91
outside
on
the
sign­
up
list
so
we'll
know
how
many
people
`[
to]
wish
to
make
a
public
comment.
We
can
allocate
OLK
time
~
[
i
11
accordingly.
If
you're
here
today,
but
want
to
make
yo~
tr
[
iz]
comment
tomorrow,
that's
fine.
Just
let
~
1s
know
mat
~
OLI
[
13]
want
to
do
it
that
way
and
then
we'll
make
sure
WC
~
141
provide
adequate
time
for
public
comment.

[
I51
Any
other
questions
or
concerns
before
I
turn
it
[
16]
back
to
Mr.
Chairman?
Yes,
Vicky
I'
71
MS.
PETERS:
Do
we
really
have
no
breaks
Ire]
scheduled
between
now
and
­

[
191
MR.
EHRMANN:
We'll
take
one
when
we
get
to
a
(
zo]
convenient
point
in
the
way
these
sections
run.
We
will
[
a]
take
a
short
break
this
al'tcmoon
`
l'hanks
for
pwnting
[
22]
that
out.
Page
141
[
i]
traveling
on
Labor
Day,
which
I
know
I'm
not
going
to
do.

[
z]
So,
I
would
ask
you
to
consider
whether
we
want
to
add
[
3]
some
time
on
the
5th,
which
would
be
a
Friday.

(
41
And
then
November
5th
and
Gth,
which,
I
think,

151
is
also
aTuesday/
Wednesday.
So,
we
would
be
suggesting
[
q
a
possible
additional
of
the
7th.
And,
again
­
I'm
not
171
saying
this
for
sure,
but
I
would
like
you
to
check
your
Is]
calendars
for
these
extensions.

PI
And
then
the
proposed
dates
for
the
December
[
IO]
meeting
are
the
9th
and
10th.
But
it
was
our
(
1
I]
recollection
that
those
were
bad
for
a
couple
people
­

(
1~
1
any
option
we
picked
in
December
was
bad
for
somebody
1131
We
ended
up
with
the
9th
and
10th
because
it
was
slightly
~
141
better
given
the
number
of
people
who
had
a
conflict
with
1151
the
other
date.
But
we
want
to
return
and
get
a
[
16]
confirmation
of
those
dates
or
some
other
proposal,
if
we
(
171
have
to
go
there.
But
hopefully
we
can
confirm
the
9th
[
is]
and
10th
of
December.

[
I91
But
we'll
come
back
to
these
issues
onThursday
[
zo]
morning.
But
I
wanted
to
just
remind
you
of
those
dates
I211
and
the
location
of
those
future
meetings.

I221
So,
Mr.
Chairman,
those
were
the
­
let
me
just
Page
142
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143
[
I]
we
need
to
make,
statements
from
the
Chairman,
and
then
[
z]
we
will
proceed
through
the
draft
report
with
a
couple
[
a]
breaks.
Lunch,
12:
OO
to,
hopefully,
1:
OO
instead
of
(
41
1:
15.
If
we
can
pick
up
15
minutes
there
And
then
we
ISI
will
break
right
before
3:
OO.

161
And
at
3:
00
we're
having
an
Environmental
[
7]
Justice
Pdnel.
This
is
a
panel
that
was
requested
by
the
[
a]
Subcommittee
and
we've
had
great
help
in
putting
the
[
a]
panel
together
from
Dolores
and
Mildred,
who
are
going
to
o]
be
co­
monitoring
the
panel.
And
I'll
let
them
say
more
I]
about
that
tomorrow.
But
we
already
have
at
least
one
a]
member
of
our
panel
here
with
us.
Florence
Robinson
is
a]
out
in
the
audience
there.
And
others
will
be
joining
41
us,
hopefully,
tonight
at
dinner
and
then
tomorrow
for
s]
the
Environmental
Justice
panel.

`
51
We'll
follow
that
with
public
comment
tomorrow
71
and
then
wrap
everything
up
no
later
than
6:
OO.
And
81
again
we'll
have
a
group
dinner
opportunity
tomorrow
91
evening.

`
01
And
then
for
the
Subcommittee
members,
there
is
`
11
a
work
session
scheduled
for
Thursday.
It's
a
non­
public
21
work
session,
which
will
start
at
890
and
then
we'll
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MR.
LOEHR:
Well,
with
that
reminder
and
since
[
z]
the
Chair
always
likes
to
be
a
little
bit
ahead
of
the
(
31
<
Zommittce,
let's
take
a
break
until
s:
lS.
And
then
we'll
[
4]
return
here
and
continue
as
John
has
suggested.

151
(
A
brief
recess
was
taken.)

161
MR.
EHRMANN:
There's
a
couple
of
documents
[
7]
coming
around
for
the
Subcommittee
members
that
I
want
to
181
point
to
your
attention.
One
is
the
draft
­
these
are
[
g]
two
sections
that
were
not
included
in
the
rough
draft
[
io]
report
because
the
authors
felt
like
they
needed
more
[
i
11
disc.
ussion.

[`
21
One
was
the
piece
that
Grant
Cope
put
together
[!
3]
on
pollution
prevention,
and
the
other
was
the
work
that
1141
principally
Vicky.
buL
also
others,
have
been
doing
on
[
IS]
thinking
about
the
HRS.
So,
you
should
find
those
at
(
161
your
place
upon
your
return.

I171
And
then
there's
another
piece,
which
I'm
going
[
is]
to
send
around
which
Betsy
Sutherland
brought
to
us,

[
ig]
which
is
what
the
Agency
­
just
in
case
you
think
[
zo]
lhey'rc
not
paying
any
attention
to
you.
The
Agency
put
1211
togcthcr
a
list
ol'all
of
the
potential
evaluations,

[
zz]
guidancrs.
studies
and
workshops
that
are
currently
['

1'
____.­

Page
147
[
iI
MS.
PROBST:
So,
I
don't
have
to
read
them
right
[
a]
now.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
But
we
didn't
want
to
send
­
in
[
4]
keeping
with
­
in
the
keeping
with
­
Kate,
with
the
[
5]
desires
of
certain
Subcommittee
members
not
to
be
[
s]
inundated
with
too
many
e­
mails,
we
decided
not
to
send
m
those
to
you
at
the
sametimewe
sent
you
the
­

PI
MS.
PROBST:
Are
you
picking
on
me?

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
No.
I'm
just
saying
­
picking
at
IO]
random.
Okay.

`
II
So,
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
talk
about
121
dinner,
just
so
you
have
this
in
mind,
to
give
you
an
131
incentive
for
the
next
three
hours.
Molly,
you
want
to
141
explain
the
­

151
MS.
MAYO:
Sure.
So
those
of
you
who
need
to
161
organize
your
social
calendars
I
want
to
give
you
some
,71
more
­

81
FEMALE
VOICE:
We
can't
hear
you.

91
MS.
MAYO:
Okay.
So,
we
have
dinner
festivities
[
I
[
zo]
planned
for
tonight
and
tomorrow
night.

PII
Tonight
will
be
Okiana
(
phonetic).
Okiana
is
1
[
zzl
the
name
of
the
restaurant
for
dinner
tonight.
It's
a
I
~~
­
~~~
­~­
~~­­­
_­
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146
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148
(
11
contained
in
the
draft
report,
so
you
could
get
an
idea
111
seafood
restaurant,
although
we
will
have
vegetarian
121
of'what
that
wouLd
mean
for
the
Agency.
It's
coming
[
z]
options,
chicken
options
and
steak
­
all
of
it.
(
31
around.
So,
that's
just
to
kind
of
have
as
a
rcfercnce
[
31
Everything
including
tip
and
taxes
is
$
21,
if
you'll
141
guide
as
WC
go
through
the
document.
[
41
bring
that
for
dinner.
And
the
trolley
will
be
leaving
51
I
think
she
said
that
they
would
be
happy
to
do
[
q
outside
the
front
­
outside
the
lobby
in
front
at
7:
00
[
q
all
of
those
and
have
them
done
in
two
months.
Wasn't
[
S]
tonight.
So,
Okiana.

(
71
lhat
what
you
said,
Betsy?
I71
MR.
EHRMANN:
(
Inaudible.)
PI
MS.
SUTHERLAND:
Oh,
that's
a
d&
mite
quote.
181
MS.
MAYO:
No.
Be
there
at
7:
00
tonight.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Speaking
for
theAssistant
PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
They're
all
coming?
[
io]
~
1dmimstrator
on
that?
So,
anyway,
that's
just
something
(
101
MS.
MAYO:
WC
don't
need
a
count.
Do
you
want
a
[
I
11
to
LISC
IO
help,
kind
of,
track
that
particular
­
that
l[
ii]
count?

[
121
particular
issue
or
se1
of
issues
as
we
go
through
the
(
13)
draft.
Kate
has
a
question.

!
i4j
MS.
PRO&
T:
Arc
we
discussing
these
things
­

u51
MR.
EHRMANN:
No
("
51
MS.
PROBST:
­
at
this
time?

1'
71
MR.
EHRMANN:
No.
Thr
IIRS
and
the
IUlution
[
ia]
I+
x7~
enlion
arc
just
for
your
edification
We're
going
to
[
ig:
talk
!`
cry
briefly
about
­
procedurally
about
how
to
(
701
handlr
those
two
issues,
but
we're
no1
going
to
go
over
[
7'
1
tlicm
in
the
way
that
wc'rc
going
over
the
rest
of
the
(
221
rcporl
1121
MR.
EHRMANN:
No.

[
I31
MS.
MAYO:
Okay.
If
you
want
to
have
dinner,
be
[
14]
there
at
7:
00
tonight
or
Ict
us
know
if
you
would
like
1151
directions
to
get
there.

`
361
Then
tomorrow
tight
we're
going
to
having
diner
1171
at
Four'l'abor
Park,
weather
permitting,
outside
for
a
[
ia]
traditional
New
England
clam
boiI.
And
­

11%
MALE
VOICE:
Where
are
the
clams
from?

VI
MR.
LOEHR:
From
the
harbor.

[
2'
1
MALE
VOICE:
Are
they
guaranteed?
Arc
they
[
22]
ccrtilicd?

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III
FEMALE
VOICE:
How
many
parts
per
million?

[
21
MS.
MAYO:
We've
been
told
that
­
we
need
to
be
[
3]
quoted
the
market
price
for
the
clams.
I
don't
have
an
[
4]
exact
cost
for
you
yet,
but
there
will
be
barbecue
[
s]
chicken
and
a
vegetarian
alternative
for
those
of
you
who
161
aren't
huge
fans
of
clams.

m
But
there's
also
going
to
be
a
special
[
a]
celebration.
So,
I
really
encourage
you
if'
you
can
only
[
g]
make
one,
tonight
or
tomorrow
night,
in
particular
[
lo]
tomorrow
night
should
be
really
fun
and
we
will
also
have
[
I
I]
the
EJ
Panelists
joining
us
for
dinner.
So,
it
will
sure
[
VI
to
be
a
special
evening.

[
I31
Seven
o'clock
both
nights
though.
There
will
be
1141
a
trolley.
And
see
me
if
you
have
any
other
questions
or
[
iq
comments.

U61
MR.
EHRMANN:
Thank
you.
AU
right.
What
we
(
17
would
Iike
to
do
then
is
­
I've
been
told
some
people
[
IS]
are
having
trouble
hearing,
so
please,
when
you
make
your
[
ig]
comments
try
to
grab
one
of
these
mikes
because
it
is
[
zo]
kind
of
echoing
in
here
and
if
anybody
is
having
trouble
[­
AI
picking
up
you
folks
talking,
please
say
something
so
WC
[
zz]
can
try
to
address
the
problem.

Page
150
III
The
first
piece
of
this
that
we
wanted
to
go
[
ZJ
through,
as
I
outlined
earlier,
which
we
would
like
lo
~
31
spend
an
hour
or
so,
is
the
overview
section,

~
41
particularly
as
it
relates
to
those
tentative
findings
iI
[
I
[
1
1;

[
Z
­

I
'
I[
1
Page
151
111
to
what
the
front
of
a
report
like
this
might
look
like,

[
z]
suggest
some
important
themesAnd
the
way
we're
going
[
3]
to
manage
this
discussion
is
Kay
is
going
to,
as
Chair,

[
4]
recognize
folks
and
move
us
through
that
process,
and
[
s]
I'll
try
to
focus
on
digesting
your
comments,
making
sure
[
6]
we're
clear
about
what
you're
suggesting
and
any
back
and
[
7]
forth
as
to
that,
so
we
can
be
efficient
about
this.

PI
And
then
also,
again,
at
about
­
1'
11
try
to
[
g]
warn
us
when
we're
getting
within
about
five
or
10
a]
minutes
of
the
end
of
our
time
for
the
topic
so
you
can
1)
be
ready
for
that
as
we
move
to
the
next
section,
which
z]
will
be
the
NPL
listing.
Which
sites
should
go
in
the
31
NPL
piece.

41
So,
with
that,
if
you
would
like
to
be
51
recognized,
please
raise
your
card
and
we'll
get
going.

61
AIs0
I
want
to
say
that
we
rcdy
would
like
broad
71
participation
in
this.
So,
if
you're
not
­
if
you
81
haven't
said
anything
after
about
45
minutes,
I
or
the
91
Chair
reserve
the
right
to
draw
you
out
because
we
really
LOI
do
want
to
get
a
sense
of
­
if
you
just
want
to
say
!
i]
ditto,
I
agree
with
everything
that
has
been
said,
that's
!
z]
fine.
But
we
really
want
to
make
sure
we
hear
f'rom
folks
Page
152
:
I]
on
this
­
on
all
the
sections,
but
this
one
21
particularly.

31
Comments.

41
MR.
LOEHR:
Well,
just
lo
be
specific,
John.

(
51
that
­
so
we're
talking
about
pages
one
through
seven
in
[
6]
the
draft.
Again,
we're
looking
for
your
overall
m
reactions.
I
think
there's
a
major
finding
missing.
I
[
s]
think
this
one
is
really
bad.
I
think
this
one
could
be
[
g]
made
better
if
it
said
thisThose
kind
of
10,000
foot
[
IO]
policy
level
responses.

(
111
Again,
this
is
­
Molly
and
Elizabeth
wiU
be
~
121
taking
notes
on
all
of
the
discussion
that
we
will
be
~
131
having
over
the
next
day
and
a
half
on
your
various
(
14~
interventions
and
we
will
­
I
will
also,
from
time­
to­

[
is]
time,
be
asking
them
to
­
particularly
on
the
later
[
IS]
sections,
to
provide
some
context
since
they
worked
with
~
171
the
various
working
groups
that
developed
the
draft
~
181
material
in
the
rest
of
the
report.
I'll
be
asking,
in
[
jg]
some
cases,
for
them
to
kind
of
set
the
stage
in
terms
of
~
201
the
life
history
of
some
of
these
pieces.

WI
But
on
this
piece
­
again,
this
wds
something
[
T~
I
tllat
we
drafted
with
the
Chair
in
an
effort
to
get
used
~~
~­
__~
__
I51
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yes.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
What
page
do
you
want
started?

171
MR.
EHRMANN:
Specifically,
I'm
looking
for
the
[
a]
key
findings
on
page
four
through
seven,
and
I
wouldn't
­

[
g]
­
I
don't
think
we
need
to
go
through
them
one­
by­
enc.
I
[
IO]
would
take
them
as
a
set.
I
think
we
want
to
get
[
ii]
people's
reactions.
If
you
have
comments
on
a
specific
[
iz]
rinding,
then
obviously
please
reference
the
one
that
[
13]
you're
talking
about.

u41
MR.
LOEHR:
It
looks
like
Jim
is
f&
t
up.

1151
MR.
DEROUIN:
I'm
confused
by
the
relationship
1161
between
the
findings
and
the
recommendations.
On
page
~
171
four,
in
the
middle
of
the
page,
we
state
accurately
that
[
is]
EPA
asked
the
Subcommittee
to
provide
recornmenclations
[
ig]
regarding
several
questions.
And
then
the
way
wc
arc
(
201
currently
structured,
we
go
on
for
scvrctl
pages
[
ZI]
answering
questions
that
they
did
not
ask,
altlwugh
WIIK
[
zz]
of
them
clearly
are
subsumed
in
some
of'
the
questions
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they
did
ask.

El
And
then
when
we
get
to
the
recommendations
­

(
31
f6r
example,
on
page
eight
­
that
is
clearly
within
one
(
41
of
the
major
questions
and
that
is
the
role
of
the
NIX,

ISI
aflcr
which
we
go
on
to
talk
about
key
findings.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Now,
Jim,
just
to
­
maybe
I
can
171
help
clarify
part
of
this
as
you're
going
through
that.

Is]
`
I'hcrc
arc
in
each
­
1'
11
refer
to
them
as
chapters.
In
[
q
each
chapter
there
are.
depending
on
the
style.
the
way
[
io]
that
the
particular
working
group
or
drafting
group
!
I
I]
adapted
the
template
we
had
provided,
liuldings
and
[
iq
recommendations
at
that
Icvel.

[
I31
`
1%~
findings
that
are
pages
four
to
seven,
;
Lnd
(
141
again
it's
probably
a
poor
choice
of
words
there,
but
[
rq
those
overall
themes,
conclusions,
whatever,
that
arc
in
1161
that
pages
foLLr
to
seven
are
meant
to
be,
kind
of,

]
17]
cutting
across
the
sperifc
recommendations
in
the
[
ia]
report.

[
191
So,
the
lindings
that
are
in
individual
chapters
[
ZOJ
arc
kind
of
a
different
animal.
Rut
it
is
confLLsing
and
(
21;
I
think
you're
certzzinly
right
that
some
of
those
[
zz]
findings
relate
more
directly
to
the
charge
as
stated
[
i;
Ih;
rn
others.

I21
MR.
DEROUIN:
Now,
having
said
that,
when
we
get
131
onlo
p;
Lge
live,
there
are
some
major
inconsistencies
in
[
4]
the
body
of
the
document
thal
are
not
captured
in
the
[
51
paragraph
on
fLlndiflg,
and
there
arc
major
inconsistencies
161
in
the
bolton
of
the
­
in
the
body
of
the
document
that
171
arc
nol
caplured
in
Ihc
mega
site.

[
K
l;
or
example,
in
the
summary,
which
is
a
separate
(
91
docLment,
on
the
mega
site
issue,
it
refers
to,
on
page
(
IO]
scvcn,
a
whole
list
of
issues
that
supposedly
arc
in
page
[
I
11
6
I
of
the
main
document
relating
to
measuring
program
[
IZ;
progress.
I
~
LICSS
we
don't
have
anything
in
the
findings
[
I31
on
program
progress.

[
I41
MR.
EHRMANN:
Let
me
make
a
­

[
151
MR.
DEROUIN:
Maybe
that
was
my
poinl
there.

~
161
What
WC
have
in
the
summary
documents,
supposedly
on
page
11
:
I
6
I,
I
not
li~
uncl
on
page
6
I
or
any
other
place
in
the
jl0j
Imtl!~
of
Ihc
clocunicnt
and
1s
inconsistent.
But
1'
11
save
[
is]
thal
cornmcnt
lix
when
wc
get
to
­

1201
MR.
EHRMANN:
I
think
yowl
raised
an
imporPdnr
[
2i]
issue
thar
I
think
wc'tl
wcIcomc
other
comments
enc.
One
:
zz]
way
to
do
this
kind
of
crosscutting
thcmc/
excculive
Page
153
Page
155
lr]
summary
is
to
pull
basically
intake
recommendations
from
[
zl
the
body
of
a
report
like
this
into
an
executive
summary,

~
31
have
them
all
there
and
say,
of
all
the
recommendations
[
4]
these
arc
the
10
we
think
are
the
most
important.
That's
Is]
one
way
to
structure
this
kind
of
thing.
That's
not
what
[
s]
this
is.

I71
What
this
was
was
an
effort
to
say
based
on
all
[
a]
of
the
deliberations
of
the
Subcommittee
there
are
four
Is]
or
five
or
six,
kind
of,
broad
conclusions
that
we
draw
,
[
IDI
from
our
deliberations,
some
of
which
are
directly
(
I
II
related
to
the
charge,
some
of
which
we
just
think
are
[
lz]
important
to
say
because
of
the
context
in
which
we're
~
131
going
­
the
Subcommittee
is
doing
its
work.

1141
And,
again,
it's
your
call
which
one
you
want
to
[
is]
do,
but
you're
exactly
right.
These
are
not
tied
back
~
161
into
Ihc
body
of
the
report
the
way
that
they
might
be.

(
171
MR.
DEROUIN:
Yeah.
Given
where
we
are
now,

Ire]
what
I
yas
going
to
suggest
is
we'd
be
better
just
to
[
lq
defer
o$
having
draft
findings
until
we
figure
out
what
[
zo]
our
recgmmendations
are
going
to
be
because
then
what's
1211
major
i4
most
likely
going
to
float
to
the
surface.

~­
.~~~
WI
MR.
4HRMANN:
That
is
certainly
a
way
we
could
f.
.~~~
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154
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156
'
[
I]
go.
I­
et's'
have
others
comment
on
that
as
well.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Just
continuing
around.
Ed
­
Kate
131
­
Mike
­
Bob
­
Vicky.

[
41
MR.
PUTNAM:
I
mean,
I
have
­
I
don't
know.
I
[
q
can
live
with
what's
written
here,
I
guess,
is
how
to
161
start
off.
I
would
like
to
add
certain
things
or
do
(
71
litlle
word
changes.
Is
that
what
you
want
to
hear
now,

[
SJ
or
do
you
want
to
hear
those
as
written
comments?

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Well,
I
think
if
you
­
not
so
(
101
much
the
word
changes,
but
if
you
had
themes
­
like,
I
1111
think,
the
major
theme
of
X
­
again,
whether
it
ends
up
1121
cvcntually
being
in
the
lindings
or
we
need
to
get
it
[
iq
back
into
the
recommendations,
it's
more
important
to
(
141
hear
what
you
think
the
issues
are
and
then
we'll
figure
[
15]
out
how
to
present
them.

[
161
MR.
PUTNAM:
Yeah.&
far
as
the
need
for
1171
Supcrfund,
and
it
also
rclalcs
to
putting
sites
on
the
[
la]
NPI,,
what
we
heard
today
from
Massachusetts
and
it's
true
[
IS]
in
my
slate,
if
you
don't
have
a
strong
Superfund
program
1~
01
you
lose
that
enforcement
leverage
in
the
Superfund
(
211
program
and
when
you
lose
it
in
the
Superfund
program
Ihe
[
22]
States
lose
some
of
their
leverage
also.
And
that's
not
­­

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[
I]
mentioned
up
here
and
it
could
go
in
a
couple
of
spots.

[
z]
And
1
would
Iike
to
be
a
little
more
stronger
on
not
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1
using
costs
at
all
in
putting
sites
on
the
NPL
as
a
[
4]
criteria.

[
51
But
1
think
the
enforcement
thing
is
something
[
s]
that
we
should
put
up
front
as
to
why
we
need
to
be
doing
[
A
what
we're
doing.
And
that
enforcement
encourages
[
a]
additional
private
funding
source
to
get
more
sites
[
s]
cleaned
up.

[
lOI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Okay.

1111
MR.
LOEHR:
Kate.

[
I21
MS.
PROBST:
1
had
one
addition
and
a
couple
of
~
131
questions.
Just
for
brevity,
1
really
didn't
understand
~
141
what
the
assuring
the
effectiveness
of
risk
management.

(
151
1
read
that
paragraph
a
couple
of
times.
This
is
on
page
~
161
seven.
1
mean,
we
don't
have
to
go
into
it
here,
but
1
[
171
really
didn't
get
the
point.
So,
1
­
1
don't
have
to
[
is]
comment
on
it
one
way
or
the
other,
but
1
just
­
1
[
19]
didn't
really
understand
it.

[
201
A
second
point
was
that
­
and
this
is
just
my
­

[
zi]
­
it's
not
a
can't
live
with,
but
on
the
mega
sites,
that
[
zz]
we
shouldn't
separate
them
out.
1
guess
I
think
funding
Page
158
[
I]
is
such
a
big
issue
that
we
need
to
­
the
Agency
needs
[
z]
to
know
in
managing
a
program
they
need
to
track
mega
[
3]
sites.
It
doesn't
mean
they
need
a
separate
program.

[
41
When
we
list
a
mega
site
there's
a
huge
resource
[
s]
implication.
So,
1
need
to
word­
smith
there,
but
1
think
[
s]
there
is
something
important
about
mega
sites
and
the
way
(
7~
1
read
this
it's
kind
of
like
let's
not
talk
about
them
181
that
way
at
all.

PI
The
final
thing
is
there's
a
statement,
the
[
lo]
Superfund
Program
should
be
funded
at
a
level
that
[
11]
reflects
its
needs
in
any
given
year.
1
think
that's
[
rz]
lovely,
but
1
think
that's
a
little
naive.

[
ISI
And
1
guess
1
would
add
to
it
what
to
me
is
the
~
141
most
important
thing
on
funding,
which
is
­
and
1
don't
[
is]
have
a
language,
which
1
wiIl
get
you
that
­
there
needs
[
is]
to
be
an
annual
report
identifying
what
the
program's
1171
unmet
needs
are,
which
my
understanding
is
even
the
head
[
ICI]
of
an
Agency
can
do
that
DOD
and
DOE
do
it
where,
you
[
rs]
know,
what
are
the
outward
Liabilities,
which
the
Agency
[
zo]
llsed
to
do,
and
what
is
it
that
they
couldn't
accomplish
12
I]
this
year.
1
know
you
can't
say
1
need
more
money
[~
ZI
under
all
the
various
things,
but
my
understanding
is
you
I­

VI
MS.
PROBST:
Right.
1
mean,
1
don't
know
if
1
[
2]
can
­
1
mean,
1
can
live
with
this.
This
is
not
my
[
3]
preferred
approach.
1
mean,
I
would
have
to
think
­
I
[
4]
don't
know
if,
at
some
point,
you
want
alternative
~
51
approaches
on
mega
sites.

El
MR.
EHRMANN:
Oh,
yeah.
When
we
get
to
the
mcga
r]
site
chapter
we
definitely
want
to
hear
­

PI
MS.
PROBST:
But,
as
1
say,
this
makes
it
sound
191
like
they're
kind
of
irrelevant.

101
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah,
that's
very
helpf~
rl.

111
MR.
LOEHR:
Mike.

121
MR.
TILCHIN:
Actually
to
the
same
sentence
that
[
13]
Kate
commented
on.

![
I41
MR.
EHRMANN:
Thanks,
IMike.

9151
MR.
TILCHIN:
On
page
five
where
we
talk
about
[
16]
the
program
being
funded
at
levels
that
reflect
needs.

[
17]
It's
very
difficult
to
understand
they
and
what
1
would
~
[
16]
­
what
1
would
be
interested
in
seeing,
and
1
do
believe
[
ig]
it
said
elsewhere
in
the
report
that
we
recommend
[
zo]
increased
funding
for
the
program
[
211
And
if
I
were
to
take
that
to.
maylx,
the
next
[
z]
level
detail
fbr
the
next
two
years
where
thcrc
is
this
Page
159
I]
can
say
this
is
what
we
weren't
able
to
do.

21
So,
1
guess
1
would
say
that
as
an
overarching
31
level
there's
a
need
for
transparency
in
terms
of
program
41
accomplishments
and
unmet
funding
needs.

51
MR.
EHRMANN:
Just
to
comment
on
the
mega
sites
61
piece
because
1
think
you
put
your
finger
on
something
we
71
kind
of
struggled
with
as
we
wrote
this,
and
that
is
our
`
a]
sense
of
the
group
­
and
I'm
not
saying
that
is
the
p]
sense
of
the
full
group,
but
at
least
in
some
of
the
work
o]
group
discussions
on
mega
sites
­
the
notion
was
kind
of
I]
as
you
said
it.
That,
yeah,
you
need
to
keep
track
and
2)
understand
what's
coming
and
these
sites
are
different,

31
and
we
need
to
understand
how
and
those
kinds
of
issues.

41
But
should
there
bc
a,
you
know,
national
mega
­
should
51
this
Subcommittee
recommend
a
national
mega
site
program
61
in
the
sense
of,
again,
the
work
group
­
I'm
not
saying
71
it's
a
consensus
of
everyone
yet
at
this
point
­
was
no,

81
we
probably
shouldn't
do
that.

91
So
we
were
­
but
1
think
you're
right.
The
way
!
o]
it's
drafted
it
almost
makes
it
sound
like
we
don't
think
!
i]
there's
any
reason
to
even
understand
these
sites
and
!
2]
that
was
not
the
intent
of
­
but
it
needs
some
work.
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needs'l'hat's
a
very
specific
recommendation
and
121
it's
meaningful
to
the
extent
that
I
can
philosophy
131
slightly
where
we
can
do
that
I
really
think
it
would
be
141
good
thcre.
l`
hat
WC
word
things
in
that
way.

I51
So.
in
that
area,
if
WC
want
to
make
a
[
sl
recommendation
on
a
short
term
increase
in
funding
I
[
7]
would
support
that
and,
at
least,
it
would
be
a
very
181
concrete
­
whatever
recommendation
we
make
I
hope
it's
19)
co11crcte.

['
Ol
MR.
EHRMANN:
Just
a
procedural
note.
I
think
[
I
~
1
on
these
kinds
of
suggestions
like
on
mega
sites
or
on
[
iz]
I'unding,
WC
will
come
back
to
those
issues
also
when
we
~
131
get
to
that
section
and
kind
of
dig
a
little
deeper
and
1141
kind
of,
you
know,
test
the
group
about
who
might
support
[
is]
what.
1
don't
want
to
get
into
that
right
now.
I
think
(
161
we
just
want
to
keep
this
as
more
­

[
I71
MR.
TILCHIN:
Okay.

[
I81
MR.
EHRMANN:
That's
why
I'm
not
asking,
you
[
is]
know,
are
people
comfortable
with
this
suggestion.
We
[
no]
will
get
that
when
we
get
to
that
section.
Go
ahead.

!
2ll
MR.
TILCHIN:
Yeah.
And,
again,
I'm
going
to
(
221
rciterale
what
Kale
said.
Assessing
the
effectiveness
of
[
I]
with
other
existing
programs
it's
a
billion
eight
­
two
121
billion.

131
And
I
think
those
of
us
who
look
at
it
want
to
141
make
it
very
clear
that
there
may
be
some
other
sources
[
s]
that
out
there
that
could
be
used
for
NPL
cleanups,
but
[
6]
only
in
addition
and
above
what's
needed
for
Superfund.

I71
I
guess
it's
maybe
more
­
more
emphatic
to
EPA
181
and
to
the
appropriators
what
our
point
of
view
is.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah.
I
think
clearly,
you
know,

1101
the
Subcommittee
is
going
to
need
to
grapple
with
this
[
I
11
kind
of
interplay
between
what
Mike
just
said,
you
know,

~[
IZI
if
the
Subcommittee
could
draft
a
consensus
statement
[
IZJ
about
your
assessments
of
the
availability
of
funding
and
(
141
tying
that
both
into
your
assessment
of
what's
available
1151
from
Federal
and
what,
perhaps,
should
be
forthcoming
[
IS]
through
other
means,
as
Mike
was
suggesting,
obviously
[
171
that's
something
we're
going
to
want
to
­
you
know,

[
re]
we're
going
to
need
some
careful
discussion
on.
But
I
[
IS]
think
your
two
comments
kind
of
relate
to
each
other
in
~
201
that
way,
being
more
precise
about
what's
being
said
1211
there.

PZ
MR.
LOEHR:
Vicky.
Page
16:

11)
risk
management
didn't
really
do
anything
for
me.
And
in
(
21
the
middle
of
that
we
described
something
that
we
thought
[
a]
should
be
in
the
middle
of
that
paragraph
on
page
seven.

143
What
WC
say
here
ignores
the
fact
that
risk
~
51
asscssmcnts
arc
performed
as
part
of
lhc
IUI3That
~
61
seems
like
a
significant
omission
lo
me.

I71
MR.
EHRMANN:
Thank
you.

181
MR.
LOEHR:
Bob
­
Bob
IIickmott.

PI
MR.
HICKMOTT:
I
guess
my
point
is
one
of
tone
[
joj
or
emphasis.
On
the
bottom
of
six
and
the
top
of
seven,

[
j
:
I
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
looking
at
alternative
Federal
,121
programs
as
possible
sources
for
money
and
we
say
in
the
[>
31
report
the
Subcommittee
did
not
fmd
any
signiiicant
(
141
sources
of
new
funds
that
could
be
used
towards
(
11
MS.
PETERS:
I
think
I'm
losing
track
of
some
of
lz]
my
comments,
but
­

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
PuU
the
mike
up
a
littIe,
Vicky,

1
141
if
you
could.

El
MS.
PETERS:
To
the
extent
that
I
can
recommend,

[
SJ
lirst
Jim
started
out
by
saying
he
felt
that
there
was
[
7]
some
­
that
some
of
the
findings
looked
more
like
[
8]
recommendations.
I
would
just
point,
in
particular,
to
191
the
mega
site.
I
think
that
that
clearly
reads
as
a
(
IO]
recommendation.
I
actually
felt
that
most
of
the
other
[
I
I]
ones
read
like
findings.
So,
I
would
ask
that
you
take
a
[
12]
look
at
that.

[
I31
And
also
related
to
the
mega
site
stuff,
I
think
1141
it
reads
really
oddly.
I
know
why
in
this
report
we're
[
IS:
addressing
NI'I.
sites.
And
I
think
there
is
some
cross
IIS)
saying,
you
know,
that
the
Subcommittee
doesn't
recommend
~
161
rcfirencc
lo
elaboration
on
lhal
on
page
12.
1161
a
separate
category,
but
I
think
from
the
real
world
1'
71
I)
o
we
need
lo
make
it
more
emphatic
that
any
(
171
nobody
is
going
to
know
what
the
heck
that
means,
and
I
;
ds]
other
programs
that
do
exist
would
be
a
supplement
to
the
[
ial
think
it's
odd,
you
know,
that
we
would
be
saying,
you
~<
q
cxlsting
Superfund
funding?
I
think
there
was
concern
(
191
know,
wc
just
­
we're
not
doing
this.
You
know,
we
~
201
when
we
look
at
these
programs
that
somehow
that
would
be
1201
don't
do
that
else
where
we
say
what
we
are
doing.
1211
usctl
a\
a
hit
01.
a
fig
leaf
to
say,
well,
the
funding
for
2r1
But
this
might
be
another
reason
to
follow
Jim's
[
zq
Supcrlllnd
is
a
billion
three,
but
when
you
aggregate
that
(
221
reCOnlmcndatiOnS.
Let's
figure
OUt
What
w:
want
to
do
and
­
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I­
[
I]
then
do
the
findings
because
­

121
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah.

L31
MS.
PETERS:
On
the
whole
mega
site
thing
my
[
4]
sense
is
that
these
groups,
the
NPL
groups,
are
very
[
sl
conscious
of
how
mega
sites
are
a
different
animal
and,

[
s]
you
know,
we
need
to
take
special
care,
but
we
need
to
m
flush
that
out.

PI
And
so
I
think
the
key
fmding
then
would
be
[
gl
maybe
a
broad
brush
of
how
we're
dealing
with
them
in
the
(
101
early
screening
and
things
like
that.
So
­
you
know,
to
1111
the
extent
that
we
have
these
findings,
we
know
what
our
~
1~
1
recommendations
are
going
­
you
know,
from
that
maybe
[
13]
just
have
placeholders
for
now
or
something
like
that.

[
I41
Another
comment
that
I
had
was
­

1151
FEMALE
VOICE:
Vicky,
can
you
use
the
mike?

[
16]
Even
I
can't
hear
you.

1171
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah,
sorry.

[
ISI
MS.
PETERS:
I
thought
I
was.
Okay.

[
191
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah,
these
are
­
you
got
to
get
[
zol
pretty
close.

1211
MS.
PETERS:
All
right.
The
other
thing
I
noted
~
221
was
I
think
with
respect
Mariann's
desire
that
we
deal
I
[

I
I
I
[

[

[

1:

~
1:

1:

Page
166
[
i]
with
the
one
cleanup
program,
we
have
this
kind
of
lame
121
statement
in
here,
you
know,
in
recognition
of
this
need
131
we
note
the
initiation
of
one
cleanup.
I
think
we
need
141
to
make
a
decision
of
whether
we're
really
going
to
[
sl
tackle
that
or
not
and,
if
we
are,
you
know,
have
[
6]
something
meaningful,
and
if
not,
I
would
just
take
that
~
1
out
of
there.
kind
of
silly.

161
I
think
I'm
forgetting
some
things,
but
I
did
[
gl
­
I
have
some
notes,
too,
I
think,
to
echo
Ed
Putnam's
101
that
I
thought
was
just
crosscutting.
I
did
not
111
participate
in
the
other
cleanup
programs,
but
I
know
121
from
reading
the
notes
on
the
site,
whatever
­
I
can't
131
remember
what
the
name
of
the
site's
work
group.
There
141
was
a
lot
of
talk
about
strengthening,
enforcement,

151
leverage
dollars
and
the
importance
of
the
Federal
161
program
or
the
State
and
all
thal.
So
I
would
just
echo
171
that
one.

181
MR.
EHRMANN:
Thank
you.

191
MR.
LOEHR:
Sue.

201
MS.
BRIGGUM:
Yes.
This
is
really
10,000
feet,

211
but
I
think
we
leap
into
the
report,
including
even
the
221
charge
withour
giving
the
fachld
premise.
It
might
bc
­
i
­
Page
167
[
I]
helpful
just
to
explain
what
happened.
It's
woven
[
2]
throughout
the
report
in
bits
and
pieces,
but
basically,

[
a]
you
know,
you're
going
around.
You
have
Superfund.
It's
[
4]
at
steady
state
and
then
there's
a
crunch
in
terms
of
[
5]
funding
that
comes
from
several
sources.
One
is
pipeline
[
6]
development;
another
is
a
few
really
big
orphan
sites
[
7]
that
took
an
enormous
amount
of
money,
leaving
the
181
shortfall
where
EPA
needed
to
make
a
new
kind
01
[
gl
prioritization.
They
ask
our
advice.

101
I
think
if
we
have
that,
including
like
the
I
11
numbers
in
terms
of
the
funding,
that
would
be
helpful
121
because
they
have
changed
the
funding
a
little
bit
too.

131
They've
shifted
the
Browntields
out
and
that
went
up
a
141
hundred.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
people
don't
say,
oh.

is]
wait
a
second.
You
don't
even
have
the
facts
right.

161
So,
if
we
could
get
that
at
the
beginning
I
171
think
it
makes
even
the
charge
easier
to
understand.

181
MR.
LOEHR:
Bill.

191
MR.
ADAMS:
I'm
on
page
­
(
inaudible).
Comment
ro]
really.
I
just
question
whether
the
title
­
the
,
I]
Supertind
Program
should
be
funded
at
a
level
­

221
(
inaudible)
­
should
be
changed,
for
example,
to
maybe
Page
168
[
i]
fmds
insuflicient
fungs
to
achieve
short
term
goals.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Okay.

(
31
MR.
ADAMS:
Sorry.
Could
be
changed,
perhaps,

[
4]
that
the
Committee
finds
insufficient
funds
to
achieve
[
5]
short
terms
goals.
Or
there's
a
sentence
about
three­

[
6]
qUarterS
of
the
way
down
in
that
lirst
paragraph
that
(
71
says
the
Subcommittee
has
developed
recommendations
li)
r
[
s]
prioritizing
how
funds
should
be
allocated.
That's
191
another
possibility.

[
lOI
And
then
one
last
comment
on
this
particular
[
I
I]
section
is
that
while
I
think
this
is
a
great
statement
~
121
that
the
Committee
has
developed
recommendations
li)
r
1131
prioritizing
funds,
we
should,
maybe,
give
a
bit
of
a
[
14]
hint
here
or
reference
some
area
where
one
could
find
[
ISI
these
recommendations,
or
give
a
little
bit
of
more
[
16]
detail
associated
with
that
because
it's
really
a
key
[
ITI
finding.

1161
MR.
EHRMANN:
Thank
you.

[
191
MR.
LOEHR:
Ken.

WI
MR.
JOCK:
On
page
seven,
part
of
that
community
[
ZI]
involvement
is
a
vital
par1
oP
succcsstul
or
medium
[
22]
programs.
I
Illought
it
would
be
good
to
add
a
section
in
age
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169
Page
171
(
11
here
or
at
lcast
a
sentence
that
kind
of
reflects
a
lot
[
I]
and
putting
it
two;
and
then
taking
the
last
one
and
121
of
the
information
that
we
got
when
the
tribal
(
21
maybe
rewording
it
a
little
because
­
making
it
more
[
3]
representatives
spoke
in
Washington.
The
fact
that
a
lot
131
generally
deal
with
measuring
program
progress
and
the
~
41
of
the
tribal
governments
and
Environmental
offices
need
~
41
whole
idea
of,
you
know,
construction
completionAnd
~
51
additional
fnnding
as
far
as
being
able
to
­
needing
it
(
51
then
say,
in
addition
we
have
these
other
two
points.
181
to
catch
up
to,
let's
say,
States
and
Federal
161
One
is
fnnding;
one
is
community,
tribal,
EJ
issues.
[
q
capabilities.
I71
And
so
we
have
sort
of
a
five
point
set
­
and
WI
So,
l
thought
that
might
be
a
place
where
we
[
a]
the
last
thing
is
instead
of
key
findings
­
I
think
like
p]
rould
put
it
in
there.
1
[
9]
those
words
you
leave
in
that
fust
sentence,
your
[`
Ol
MR.
EHRMANN:
Thanks.

[
f
11
MR.
LOEHR:
I­
d.

[
i
21
MR.
PUTNAM:
Yeah.
Without
getting
into
the
[
131
specific
wording,
I
sort
of
like
­
I
really
like
this,

~
141
but
I
also
­
since
Jim;
s
initial
comment
and
then
some
~
151
of
the
others,
I
think
Sue
had
an
inleresting
~
181
introduction,
perhaps,
that
would
clarify
this.

I1
71
It
seems
to
me
that
what
is
confusing
is
that
[
r8]
it's
not
tied
into
the
charge,
but
yet
I
actually
think
[
lq
it
is
tied
into
the
charge
if
it's
slightly
tweaked
or
1201
rcorganizcrl
because
­
you
know,
like
that
first
one
[
IO]
italics,
after
key
findings,
you
know,
something
like
[
I
I]
common
ground
or
may
call
it
common
principles
rather
1121
than
findings
because
that's
what,
I
think,
also
gets
us
~
131
into
confusion
with
recommendations.

1141
Rut
!
like
a
lot
of
the
wording.

Ii51
MR.
EHRMANN:
Let
me
just
say
the
fust
one,

[
16]
which
i
know
at
least
one
of
the
comments
we
have
gotten
(
17)
in
writing
raised
an
issue
about,
you
know,
there's
still
[
18]
a
need
for
the
Superfund
Program.
Is
it
­
I
mean,
just
[
is]
to
exdlain
why
that's
there.
I
think
this
­
at
the
[
211
deals
with
NH
sort
of,
without
getling
into
words.
The
lzo]
bcgin?
ing
of
this
Subcommittee's
creation
and
[
a]
dehbefations,
I
think,
we'll
all
recall
that
there
was
a
[
zz]
second
one
­
or
­
hold
the
second
one.
~
221
lot
of',
bon
know,
concern
and
wondering
from
various
___­
­
Page
170
I
Page
172
Ii!
The
third
­
you
know,
those
bold
headings.

[
z]
Looking
at
thosc.`
I`
hc
third
one
deals
with
mega
sites.

is]
I
think
the
last
one
deals
with
measuring
program
[
4!
progressThen
the
others,
if
they're
like
regrouped,

[
5]
would
l&
us
­
several
of
them
actuaI]
y
deal
with
NPI.,
so
161
thar`
s
one
of
our
chargcs.
And
then
what
I
would
think
171
wc
would
want
to
do
­
and
this
relates
actually
to
a
[
a]
comment
that
was
made
earlier
this
morning,
I
think,
by
[
q
Dolores,
that
we
don't
say
something
about
community,

[
io]
Environmental
Jrrsticc.
Well,
the
next
to
the
last
one
­

[
r
11
the
one
that
can
­
it's
just
saying
about
the
tribal
[
IZ]
part
­
if
that
were
redone,
would
add
that.

[
iSI
And
then
I
think
that
second
bold
one
on
the
top
(
141
of
pag:
c
live
deals
with
the
funding
issue,
which
is,
sorl
[
is]
of.
somclhmg
maybe
we
should
talk
about
even
though
in
a
[
16]
way.
that's
not
our
charge,
that's
what's
lying
behind
[
171
the
charge
to
a
great
cxtcnt.`
l`
he
whole
problem
of
jia]
funding.

it91
So,
whal
I
would
think
is
we
would
wdnt
to
1201
reorganize
this
having
­
pulling
out
a11
the
ones
that
[?
I]
tlcal
wrth
NPI.
and
making
them
one,
so
it
corresponds
to
[
22]
the
orclcr
of
the
charge;
pulling
out
the
rncga
site
one
[
I]
partieg
about
is
this
Committee
­
Subcommittee
even
put
[
z]
together
to
get
rid
of
Superfund.

PI
And
so
it
seems
there
are
some
­
answering
some
141
issues
like
that,
even
though
they're
not
explicitedly
in
(
51
the
chatgc,
would
provide
a
context
similar
to
what
Sue
[
q
was
saying,
I
think,
in
terms
of
her
suggestions.

I71
So,
whether
it
ends
up
as
a
finding
or
as
part
181
of
a
context
or
whatever,
as
the
folks
who
drafted
that
I
'
181
just
want
to
be
clear
that's
why
it's
there.
Not
because
[
IO]
we
thought
that
the
charge
was
tell
us
if
we
need
[
II]
Super­
fund
anymore.
But
there
are,
for
a
number
of
folks
[
tz]
who
ate
observing
the
creation
and
workings
of
the
~
131
Subcommittee,
I
think
they've
wondered
whether
that
was
~
141
the
charge.
So.
this
is
meant
to,
at
least,
address
that
IiS]
issue.

1181
Again,
if
it's
decided
it
rolls
in
better
(
171
somewhere
else
or
it's
not
needed,
obviously
that's
your
[
18]
call.
But
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
the
reason
why
it's
[
19]
there.

I201
MR.
LOEHR:
Dick.

lP?
l
MR.
DEALING:
I
wanted
to
echo
what
Ed
had
said
1
[
z]
mhcrr
wc
said
there
is
a
need
for
the
Superfund
Program.

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[
I]
I
think
you
have
to
reinforce
the
need
to
continue
a
very
[
z]
strong
enforcement
program
and
also
to
get
PRPs
(
31
identified
early,
and
for
those
States
that
don't
have
141
the
capability
now
to
try
to
enhance
their
abilities
[
s]
through
grant
programs,
existing
water
grants
or
other
[
q
grants,
to
get
some
of
these
other
States
up
to
speed
to
m
where
some
other
States
may
already
exist.

[
El
The
other
issue,
in
general,
is
the
funding
(
91
issue.
I
don't
agree
that
there
is
no
other
viable
[
lo]
source
of
funds.
Everybody
is
looking
for
the
free
gift.

[
i
I]
There's
a
different
approach.
We
went
through
this
in
[
iz]
the
construction
grants
program
for
25
years.
We
gave
[
13]
grants
to
­
(
inaudible).
Then
in
1980
we
started
the
[
r4]
State
revolving
fund
loan
programs.

UsI
And
what
I'm
saying
to
you
is
here
you
can
~
161
leverage
money
three­
to­
four­
to­
one.
And
nowhere
in
here
(
171
are
we
talking
about
changing
the
way
we
do
business
[
te]
relative
to
funding.
We're
only
looking
for
money
that's
[
19]
grants
out
there.
And
I
think,
you
know,
we
had
1201
discussed
this,
but
for
some
reason
it's
not
reflected
in
1211
the
documents
here.

1221
There
are
other
sources
of
funding,
even
the
Page
174
[
I]
DEOB
(
phonetic)
money,
if
there
was
a
way
to
put
that
[
z]
into
the
State
revolving
funds,
which
today
are
being
[
3]
used
for
storm
water,
water
supply,
waste
water
141
treatment.
You
know,
they're
being
used
for
a
great
many
IS]
things
and
there's
opportunities
there
that
I
think
were
[
6]
discussed
that
I
don't
see
here
up
front,
nor
do
I
see
it
p']
in
the
back.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Gary.

PI
MR.
KING:
I
would
like
to
echo
comments
of
Ed
[
lo]
and
Vicky
and
Dick
on
the
need
for
discussion
enforcement
[
I
11
aspect
and
the
importance
of
a
solid
Superfund
~
121
enforcement
efforts.
I
also
wanted
echo
Ed's
comment
[
13]
about
­
this
is
on
page
six
of
the
discussion
about
~
141
costs
should
not
be
the
primary
criteria
driving
[
IS]
decisions
regarding
which
sites
should
be
listed.

~
161
Obviously
is
a
correct
statement
from
my
prospective.

1171
However,
it
certain
leaves
an
implication
that
it
would
~
161
used
as
a
significant
or
any
factor,
which
I
would
agree
~
191
with
Ed
that
I
would
disagree
with
it
being
used
as
any
[
2oj
factor
as
far
as
listing.

Pll
And
then
the
thud
thing
I
also
would
echo
the
~
221
comments
of
Mike
and
Kate
on
the
effectiveness
to
risk
~~.~~
~~­
[;
Page
175
[
q
management.
I
was
just
unsure
about
the
nalurc
ol'what
[
z]
that
was
meaning.

I31
MR.
EHRMANN:
Thank
you.

141
MR.
LOEHR:
Aimee.

Fl
MS.
HOUGHTON:
I
want
to
­
I
think
Sue
was
sort
[
6]
of
on
the
right
track
with
­
I'll
call
it
more
a
[
q
statement
of
the
problem.
I
think
that
in
that
problem
[
q
we
have
to
talk
about
some
of
the
specifics.
Whether
or
[
s]
not
­
you
know,
what
the
problem
is,
whether
or
not
WC
IO]
fmd
answers
to
them
in
this
report
is
something
else
I
11
again.
But
I
think
that
we
have
to
bc
very
up
front
and
IZ]
very
honest
in
the
beginning.

131
You
know,
this
is
the
problem.
You
know,
sites
141
aren't
being
cleaned
up
as
fast
as
they
should
be,
as
151
they
have
been
in
the
past.
You
know,
flmding
is
static.

161
I
mean,
there
are
some
realities
there
and
I
think
we
171
need
to
state
that
up
front
so
that
there's
a
clear
161
picture
of,
sort
of,
the
reality
that
­
excuse
me,
the
191
reality
that
we're
grasping
and
trying
to
manage
or
make
zo]
recommendations
on.

?
I]
MR.
LOEHR:
Grant.

121
MR.
COPE:
On
following
up
on
Ed's
comment
Page
176
[
I]
earlier
about
how
to,
maybe,
lay
things
out
in
a
[
z]
different
sense.
I
mostly
followed,
I
think,
the
thrust
~
31
of
what
he
wanted.
I
would
just
suggest,
though,
if
we
[
4]
decide
to
go
down
that
road
we
make
it
clear
that
that's
[
s]
not
enough
prioritization
on
our
part.
That
we
explain
[
6]
our
rationale
because
most
people
just
take
a
look
at
the
[
7]
first,
three,
four,
whatever
and
those
are
the
three
that
[
a]
we
can
do
and
everything
else
is
going
to
­
you
know,

[
s]
whatever.

101
In
addition
to
the
State
enforcement
I
I]
capabilities,
I
would
also
­
I
reference
Federal
IZ]
enforcement
­
Federal
Program
encorcement
capabilities,

131
building
on
Superfund.
I'm
just
going
to
go
down
the
141
laundry
list
here.

'
61
Yeah.
On
the
funding
issue,
I
would
say
not
161
just
appropriations,
but
also
autliorization.
There's
two
171
different,
obviously,
phases
thcrc.
Increasing
both.

181
On
page
six,
caution
not
be
a
primary
criteria.

191
I'll
echo
whatever
people
have
said
in
that
it
should
not
101
be
a
criteria
at
all.

!
I]
Prior
to
placing
sltcs
on
NPI.,
there
should
be
a
zz]
clear
understanding
OC
whcthcr
other
programs
might
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111
able
10
addrcss.
That's
on
page
six.
[
I]
not.

PI
There's
nothing
in
the
statutes
that
say
EPA
has
121
But
it
does
occur
to
me
that
it
did
not
result
~
31
to
consider
whatever
programs
it
can
do
risk
based.
So,
~
31
in
more
cleanups
happening
when
we
moved
Brownfields
out
141
I
disagree
with
that.
[
4]
of
EPA's
Superfund
budget
and
suddenly
another
$
100
(
51
1
was
really
confused
about
page
seven,
the
risk
151
Million
of
it
became
available
there.
If
that
was
a
~
61
managcmcnt
stuff.
I
don't
really
know
what
to
say
other
)
16)
straight
up
answer
we
should
have
gotten
another
$
100
~
71
than
I'm
really
confused
about
it.
I
guess
I
would
add
~
71
Million
worth
of
cleanup
coming
down
the
pipeline
and
;
61
in
­
I
mean,
maybe
looking
at
things
in
a
different
(
81
that
didn't
happen.
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I'm
not
sure
that
raising
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scnsc
maybe
IiPA
has
to
meet
ARs
(
phonetic).
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know
[
Q]
appropriation
is
all
that
clean
an
answer.
[
io]
thcy'vc
got
;
a
preference
for
permdncnt
treatment.
1101
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possible
­
the
third
of
my
four
answers
[?>
I
I
guess
1
would
look
maybe
more
to
what
the
[
I
I]
is
to
allocate
more
of
EPA
Superfund
budget
to
cleanup
[
IT)
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actually
says
with
respect
lo
whal
they
have
to
(
121
and
that
necessary
entails
taking
it
from
somewhere
else,
~
131
be
doing
at
the
sites,
rather
than
risk
prioritization.
l131
and
some
priority
setting
that
could
result
in
more
than
~
141
Well,
maybe
that's
what
risk
prioritization
means
and
I
~
141
15
or
20
percent
of
the
budget
going
to
actual
remedial
(
151
just
don't
have
it
flushed
out
well
enough
in
my
mind
[
is]
actions.
[
16]
either.
Hut
I
would
look
for.
once
again,
you
know,
[
If2
And
the
final
choice
is
more
effective
use
of
1171
statutory
preference
for
permanent
treatment,
is
that
1171
the
remedial
money,
which
either
more
effective
is
such
a
11~
1
bring
rnet;
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are
those
met
and
stliff
like
that.
[
ia]
misnomer
because
everyone
in
this
room
sees
that
1191
MR.
LOEHR:
MCI.

1201
MR.
SKAGGS:
I
thought
that
there
was
a
lot
of
1211
good
work
here,
but
in
some
ways
this
didn't
capture
my
[
22]
view
of
what
WC
were
set
out
to
do
and
this
is,
again,
[
IQ]
differently.
But
that
probably
means
either
less
[
20]
cxpensivc
remedies
or
better
contracting
methods
or
­

1~
11
I'm
sure
one
around
this
room
could
add
something
to
that
(
221
list,
but
it's
all
incremental
as
I
mean
in
a
way.

Page
178
(
11
something
higher
than
5,000
feet
and
less
than
satcUte
121
high.

P!
Ilasically,
WC
have
a
Superfund
Program
that
14)
appears
to
be
constrained
and
we're
asking
how
it
­
we
15)
were
asked
how
it
should
coordinate
with
other
programs
161
and
how
we
can
get
the
most
out
of
this
program.
And
as
(
71
I
looked
al
it,
there's
four
answers
lo
the
question.
I
[
a]
know
my
engineer
props
always
told
me
there
were
only
191
three,
but
thcrc's
four
in
this
case.

1101
One
is
WC
can
maximize
the
use
of
other
programs
1111
and
try
to
help
the
Agency
with
whatever
guidance
we
can
1121
ol'ltir
on
when
dial
should
bc
done
and
when
it
shouldn't
1131
and
continue
to
caution
that
it
should
be
done
within
the
i?
4?
thctoric
of
a
Supcrhmd
enforceable
setting
because
a
lot
[
is]
of'
11mcs
the
way
you
get
them
into
the
other
program
is
(
161
Ihat
lhcir
alternative
is
worse.

:
i
71
And
that
might
IX
the
<;
reat
Lakes
Legacy
Act
or
[
ial
it
nilght
IX
a
hundred
other
littlc
things.
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it's
not
[
IQ]
going
lo
relieve
Lhe
mainline
crunch,
but
it
will
help
[
zo]
some
It
is
one
of
the
options.`
l`
he
second
is
to
raise
(
211
the
appropriation
and
clearly
wc
have
some
language
here
1271
that
wc'
will
discuss
;
iboul
whcthcr
117al's
;
I
wise
move
or
[
iI
But
I
really
see
those
as
constituting
the
[
z]
universe
of
answers
to
the
Superfund
constraint.
And
as
131
I
read
through
this
I
set
elements
attempting
to
reply
to
141
each
of
those,
but
they're
not
structured
in
a
way
that
a
~
51
reader
could
understand
that
those
are
­
those
are
the
­

[
s]
­
that
we're
seeking
answers
in
those
four
areas.

I71
I
guess
I
wasted
enough
of
your
time,
but
that's
[
FII
what
I
really
think.
I
think
that
there's
four
possible
IQ]
answers
and
we're
seeking
for
pieces
of
those.
We
just
[
IO]
aren't
communicating
it
real
well
right
now.
My
written
1111
comments
will
say
that
incidentally.

I121
MR.
EHRMANN:
No,
I
think
that's
a
helpful
­
I
[
13]
mean,
Ihal
kind
of
breakdown
or
logic
flow,
if
you
will,

~
14)
I
thmk,
is
very
helpful
for
us
to
think
about
­
I
mean,

)
1:
51
us
collectively
to
think
about
in
terms
of
telling
the
[
16]
story
01.
what
the
Subcommittee
has
been
trying
to
do.

~
171
So.
we
apprccialc
that.

11
Ql
I­
et
me
just
say
­­
I
would
ask
that
we
take
[~
QI
about
ten,
15
minutes
at
the
outside
for
any
additional
[
zo:
comments
on
this
topic.

/
VI
MR.
LOEHR:
0kay.
I
have
three,
maybe
four
1221
still
to
go.
Barry
­
then
Doris
­
Dolores
­
then
Jim
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111
started
us
and
we
passed
away
from
him,
so
let
me
give
121
him
a
final
chance
to
come
back.
So,
Barry.

[
31
MR.
BREEN:
Thanks.
I've
raised
my
card
really
[
4]
as
a
placeholder
on
the
text
on
page
six
that
several
of
151
us
have
talked
about.
Cost
should
not
be
the
primary
161
criteria
in
driving
decisions
regarding
which
types
would
171
be
on
the
NPL.

PI
I
actually
am
comfortable
with
that
text
and
I
[
a]
found
myself
agreeing
with
Jim
that
this
one
might
be
1101
better
focused
on
after
we
get
through
some
of
the
[
I
11
recommendations.
I
know
the
spirit
in
which
some
have
1121
made
that
comment
­
in
the
spirit
of
the
best
interest
1131
of
the
program
and
maybe
when
we
get
to
it
III
have
a
1141
chance
to
explain
why
I
find
that
a
comfortable
place
to
1151
be,
and
this,
I
think,
Ray,
might
be
one
in
which
you
had
1161
categorized
as
I
have
a
new
way
of
looking
at
it
and
want
~
171
to
talk
to
the
group
about
it
and
ask
people
to
think
~
181
about
it.
161
MR.
EHRMANN:
I
think
what
we
would
plan
to
do
[
7]
is
after
we
do
the
redraft
on
the
substantive
chapters
[
s]
then
we'll
take
a
fresh
look
at
that
in
light
of
these
[
9]
comments
and
redraft
this
front
section.

`
01
So,
we'll
reflect
the
process
you're
discussing,

111
but
it
won't
happen
at
this
meeting.

121
MS.
CELLARILJS:
(
Inaudible)
­
more
opportunity?

131
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yes,
absohitely.
Absolutely.

141
MR.
LOEHR:
Dolores.

151
MS.
HERRERA:
Okay.
You
don't
have
to
say
161
Dolores,
it's
just
a
pretty
cool
Spanish
name.

171
MR.
LOEHR:
It
is.
I
I'
[
181
MS.
HERRERA:
I
was
going
to
say
that
just
to
[
IsI
So,
I'll
save
that
for
when
we
actually
pick
it
~
[
is]
revisit
­
you
know,
the
politics
of
Superfund,
I
think
[
zol
up
I
think
in
the
next
portion
of
the
discussion.
1201
that's
an
overarching
issue
and
we
really
need
to
bear
VI
MR.
LOEHR:
YesAnd
you're
with
us
only
today.
[
zi]
that
in
mind
and
Superfund
was
reauthorized,
but
now
it's
WI
MR.
BREEN:
Right.
[
zzl
not
been
reauthorized,
and
I
think
that
we
Iyave
to
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182
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184
111
remember
that.
[`
I
MR.
LOEHR:
So,
we'll
make
sure
that
you
do
­

El
MR.
BREEN:
Okay.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
­
lay
it
on
the
table
for
us
before
[
4]
you
have
to
disappear.

I51
MR.
BREEN:
Okay.
Thanks.

161
MR.
LOEHR:
Thank
you.
Doris
Cellarius,
since
[
7]
there's
two
­
Doris
and
Dolores,
make
sure
I
get
the
181
fist
one.
Doris
and
then
­

PI
MS.
CELLARILJS:
(
Inaudible.)

L~
OI
MR.
LOEHR:
I
know.
But
I
can't
roll
it
the
way
~
111
you
can
do
that.
Let
me
get
Doris
fist.

1121
MS.
CELLARIUS:
I
want
to
support
the
[,
a]
suggestions
that
have
been
made
that
this
be
­
a
[
14]
suggestion
that
this
section
be
­
(
inaudible)
­
going
[
I
51
to
be
recommendations
are
discussed
because
I
find
that
[
16]
most
­
many
of
the
comments
I
would
have
are
included
in
~
171
the
recommendations
because
­
(
inaudible).

1181
Whoever
reads
this
report
would
get
some
~
191
pictures
on
how
the
program
could
be
improved
­

WJI
(
inaudible).

P11
MR.
EHRMANN:
IJse
the
mike
a
little
more
PI
There's
a
historical
prospective,
I
think,
that
la]
needs
to
be
stated.
And
also
I
took
some
notes
­
I
hope
[
4]
I
can
­
by
one
word.
But
the
charge,
I
thought
that
was
[
s]
­
that
was
so
key.
I
mean,
yes,
we
have
a
charge.
But
[
6]
with
the
problem
statement,
that's
wonderful
IXGILIS~
I
[
7]
believe
that
would
help
tie
everything
in.

PI
I
was
very
concerned
about
the
statements
in
[
q
regard
to
Superfund,
having
the
opportunity
to
continue
[
IO]
and
1
really
believe
we
need
to
reinforce
that
with
the
[
I
I]
politics
of
Superfund
and
what
is
being
done
bcca~~
se
;
I
[
12]
huge
question
has
been
out
in
the
community,
elected
[
13]
officials
and
others,
is
the
waste
of
human
capital
or
[
14]
human
resources
and
monetary
resources,
and
1
think
we
[
Is]
have
to
mention
the
state
of
the
art
technology
and
[
rs]
innovative
technology
and
that
­

[
I
71
You
know,
this
is
a
new
way
of
doing
business
[
te]
and
it
isn't
10
years
ago.
It's
now.
hnd
a11
of
the
[
is]
things
that
have
been
learned
­
I
think
that
needs
Lo
be
[
zo]
reinforced
because
the
dollars
that
are
going
to
be
~
[
PI]
needed
will
be
following
the
results
ol
the
­
no1
just
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183
[
II
MS.
CELLARIUS:
The
suggestion
I
also
would
make
[
zl
on
the
section
­
(
inaudible)
­
risk
management
­

[
31
(
inaudible)
­
is
confusing,
but
I
think
all
of
these
­

[
41
(
inaudible)
­
I
mean
at
this
meeting
or
will
that
happen
[
5]
later?

1221
directly.
I'm
sorry.

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but
all
of
the
partnerships
and
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funding
and
the
costs.
I
think
that's
the
other
part
[
q
that
I
didn't
see
very
much
is
­
you
know,
the
funding,

131
the
cost
of
programs.

L41
Well,
we
just
had
a
marvelous
opportunity
this
[
s]
morning
to
see
how
there's
incorporation
of
different
[
q
stakeholder
groups
in
regard
to
some
of
the
Superfund
[
7]
cleanup
here
in
New
Bedford.

PI
I
also,
with
the
Risk
Management
and
Assessment
191
­
you
know,
you
look
at
that
and
that's
going
lo
be
a
[
IO]
real
diflicult
­
it's
going
to
be
a
real
difficult
[
i
I)
category.
hut
tlvdt's
accountability.
And
1
think
that
we
(
121
can
tic
that
also
in
to
what
the
­
what
happened
in
the
[
ISI
past
and
what's
going
to
happen
now.
And
I
think
that
1141
the
enforcement
factor
is
also
a
part
of
the
[
ISI
accountability
and
how
our
elected
officials
are
­
you
1161
know.
there
are
certain
members
and
I
know
that
EPA
can't
1171
deal
with
it,
but
we,
as
members
of
the
public
and
j?
s)
rcsperlive
organizations,
can
deal
with
the
fact
that
Ii91
there
arc
certain
arcas
of
government
or
people
in
po]
positions
of
power
and
authority
that
have
different
1211
views.

1221
But
in
order
to
be
able
to
effectively
clean
up
III
types
of
sites
should
be
on
the
NPL.

PI
I
played
a
small
role
looking
at
some
of
these
[
3I
other
Federal
programs
and
I
note
language
in
here
that
[
4]
states
the
group
couldn't
come
to
consensus
and,
in
fact,

ISI
I
think,
thankfully,
we
didn't
even
address
the
issue
of
[
sl
public
involvement,
public
participation
in
these
other
171
Federal
programs
and
State
programs.

WI
Ilowever,
a
paragraph
down,
which
1
think
it's
[
s]
the
issue
of
measuring
program
performance,
community
[
loI
involvement,
does
talk
about
the
creation
of
a
[
ii]
coordinating
committee
to
look
at
many
of
the
non­

114
Superfund
programs
in
an
effort
to
make
them
more
(
131
transparent
to
get
more
community
involvement.

[
I41
My
question
is
­
I'm
not
participating
on
that
(
151
second
group
­
is
is
that
an
attempt
to
address
the
116)
issue
that's
been
flagged
in
non­
NPL
cleanups
in
the
~
171
previous
statement,
and
if
it
is
­
if
it
is
an
effort
to
[
1sI
look
a!
some
of
these
public
involvement
issues,
should
[
rq
it
not
$
e
cross
referenced
as
an
attempt
to
get
to
the
1
[
ZOJ
bottom
of`
that?
1
(
211
MS./
MAYO:
I
can
probably
speak
to
some
of
that.

[
zz]
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
was
a
concern
is
that
if
+
.~~
~.

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186
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188
[?
I
the
communities
for
the
greater
good
and
in
the
public's
121
best
interest
and
­
you
know,
number
one.
of
course,
I'm
~
31
very
intercstcd
in
people
of
color
and
tribes
because
we
141
have
been
impacted
with
the
most
for
Environmental
[
sj
Ju\
licc
ISSLKS.
lht
we
need
lo
show
that
and
I
believe
161
that
WC
can
do
that.

(
71
But
we
always
have
to
remember
that
there
is
[
a]
politics
big
time
in
Superfund
and
we
can't
negate
the
[
g]
lkt
that
a
lot
of
the
accountability
has
not
been
marked
[
lo]
and
measured
and
WC
have
­
that's
a
task.
And
once
we
[
j
,
I
idrntif'y
that,
I
believe
that
we're
on
a
­
I
don't
know,

(
121
I
more
narrower
road
or
a
bcttcr
road.
I
don't
know.

[
13:
W'c'rc
on
the
path
that
we
riced
to
be.

1141
MR.
LOEHR:
LMikc
,
Mittclholzer
and
then
back
to
[
isI
Jinx
and
then
we'll
close
off'
this
one
and
move
on,
John.

!`
6
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yours
is
up
from
b&
rc
or
­

1171
MR.
MITTELHOLZER:
I
jusl
had
a
quick
question.

[
is]
IIopcf~
ully
this
doesn't
go
loo
liar
below
10,000.

:
191
l\
ut
it's
on
page
six
and
scvcn.
hnd
1
think
(
zo]
this
talks
about
maybe
cross
rcti­
renting
between
the
pi1
difIcrcn1
goals
of
charge.
ITor
example,
I
read,

[
x21
ol~\~~
o~~
sly.
the
bottom
ol~
pagc
six,
gelling
at
the
­­
what
[
II
you
started
to
go
down
the
road
and
look
at
what
other
[
2]
programs
could
bring
to
the
table
one
of
the,
sort
of,

131
bedrock
components
of
Superfund,
especially
for
I
'
[
4]
communities,
is
the
public
participating
component
and
j
[
q
the
rcsourccs
it
brings
to
bear.

ISI
So
when
we
were
discussing,
you
know,
pros
and
171
cons
of
some
of
these
other
programs,
one
of
the
things
181
that
we
decided
to
do
was,
you
know,
what
is
it
that
[
s]
Superfund
has
that
other
programs
don't
have.

[
jOI
So,
that's
sort
of
where
the
genesis
of
this
[
t
i]
comes
from
because
if
you
are
­
if
you're
going
to
clean
1121
up
a
Superf~
und
caliber
site,
if
you
will,
and
you're
1131
going
to
use
another
program,
you
want
to
make
sure
that
1141
the
community
still
has
the
same
benefits,
you
know,
for
(
151
involvement,
for
technical
assistance,
for
those
kinds
of
1161
things
and
that
was
an
attempt
there
to
capture
it.

,
I171
My
personal
opinion
is
that
1
think,
regardless,

(
1~
1
these
programs
should
have
that
because
they
­
you
know,

[
i9I
that
will
­
the
community
can
have
a
more
proactive
role
[
zo]
in
that
and
that
­

)
I%
11
I`
ll
use
a
Fcdcral
facilily
as
an
example
[
22]
bccausc
it's
the
one
I
always
use.
But
you
have
jots
of
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189
[
I]
Federal
facility
sites
that
are
not
necessarily
Superfund
[
z]
sites,
but
by
the
definition,
and
we've
been
given
mega
[
a]
sites,
they
certainty
are
mega
sites.
So
you
don't
have
[
4]
the
resources
of
a
technical
assistance
grant.

[
51
DOD
initiated
a
policy
called
the
technical
[
s]
assistance
for
public
participation,
which
is
half
the
~
71
size
of
a
tag
grant
and
administered
in
a
completely
[
a]
different
way,
but
it
does
allow
some
sort
of
resource
to
(
91
go
to
the
community
for
technical
assistance.

[
101
So,
that's
sort
of
what
this
was
getting
at.

[
I
11
Does
that
answer
your
question?

[
I21
MR.
MITTELHOLZER:
I
think
so.
I
mean,
again
~
131
community
involvement
is
an
issue
where,
I
think,
we're
1141
going
to
get
27
different
opinions
around
this
table.

[
is]
But
my
only
point
for
raising
this
is
is
if
this
group
[
is]
that
has
been
put
together
is
looking
at
what
community
[
17]
involvement
means
in
the
context
of
Superfund
and
what
[
la]
are
some
elements
that,
maybe,
should
be
looked
to
in
[
19]
non­
Superfund
programs,
if
we're
going
to
use
those
for
[
zo]
cleanup,
I
would
simply
take,
for
lack
of
a
better
term,

[
ZI]
credit
for
that,
that
this
body
is
actually
looking
at
[
zz]
that.

Page
190
VI
Whether
or
not
this
body
can
come
back
to
[
z]
agreement
on
that,
that's
fine.
But
I
know
for
my
small
[
3]
part,
looking
at
these
non­
Superfund
cleanup
programs
as
141
part
of,
maybe,
cleaning
up
NPL
caliber
pites,
when
we
[
5]
were
looking
at
the
Brownfields
program
we
intentionally
[
s]
did
not
address
the
issue
of
public
involvement
because
~
71
we
knew
if
we
kind
of
break
down
the
group
and
the
pi
Statute
is
some
people
think
it
s
quite
clear
on
what
the
191
public
involvement
commitments
are,
other
people
aren't,

[
lo]
we
purposely
avoided
it.

[
ill
My
only
point
for
raising
this
one
line
here
in
[
IZ]
the
community
involvement
section
is
if
this
is
an
[
13]
attempt
to
address
that
perhaps
that
should
be
cross
(
141
referenced
in
the
bullet
above,
saying
that
while
this
[
IS]
group
didn't
­
when
I
say
this
group,
this
group
looking
(
161
at
NPL
sites
and
whether
the
cleanup
programs
could
bc
1171
used
to
do
that
­
did
not
address
the
issue
of
public
~
181
involvement.
Another
working
group
is
attempting
to
do
[
i91
that.

I201
MS.
MAYO:
The
problem
is
we're
not.

[
nrl
MR.
MITTELHOLZER:
Oh,
sorry.

P21
FEMALE
VOICE:
Yeah,
I
think
­
[
I]
with
those
and
we'll
probably
bc
need
to
modify
it
as
we
[
z]
move
along.

[
31
That,
I
think
­
if
I
understand
correctly
[
4]
there's
also
­
you're
requesting
that
we
make
sure
that
~
51
we're
explicit
about
how
some
of
these
­
all
these
[
6]
things
connect
and
thcrc
is
overlap
there.
I
don't
Ihink
~
71
we
explicitedly
said
so
in
this
piece
and
maybe
wc
need
[
a]
to
do
that.
I
think
that
this
is
one
of
those
that
we
[
g]
come
back
to
depending
on
how
it
develops.
And
Dolores
[
IO]
and
Ed
Lorenz
are
in
lead
right
now
working
with
some
[
pi]
other
people
in
trying
lo
draft
some
of
that.

(
121
MS.
HERRERA:
Could
I
just
add
something
to
that
~
131
because
Molly,
Ed
and
I
have
worked
and,
I
believe,
done
~
141
a
lot
of
work.
But
one
of
the
things
is
we
have
the
EJ
I
[
is]
panel
tomorrow
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
[
16]
synthesize
that
information
as
well.

[
I71
MS.
MAYO:
Yeah.
I'm
sorry
I
did
not
say
that.

~[
I81
MR.
LOEHR:
Grant.
No,
let
me
close
with
Jim.

[
49]
Grant.

[
201
MR.
COPE:
It
was
on
my
laundry
list
and
1
(
211
forgot
to
mention
it.
With
respccl
10
­
it's
on
my
page
~
221
seven
­
making
rcfercncc
to
the
Coordinating
<:
ommittcc
­­

Page
191
[
iI
FEMALE
VOICE:
I
mean,
the
coordinating
[
z]
committee
­
we
haven't
even
talked
about
that.

w
MR.
EHRMANN:
Molly,
you
worked
on
this
­
make
[
41
a
comment.

H
MS.
MAYO:
Yeah,
I
think
­
so,
this
isn't
going
[
s]
to
directly
answer
your
question
about
the
cross
171
referencing
to
the
previous
statement,
but
thcrc
is
an
[
a]
implied
­
there
is
a
crosscutting
issue
there
that
we
[
g]
were
trying
to,
at
ledst,
TF
as
a
placeholder
because
IO]
there
are
ongoing
efforts
­
there
are
several
ongoing
ii]
efforts
that
are
not
completely
flushed
out
in
this
121
draft.
One
of
them
is
some
community
involvement
work
131
and
other
institutional
coordination
work
that,
right
141
now,
is
focusing
on
the
measuring
program
progress/
work
,151
group
activities.

161
There's
also
the
IIKS
pollution
prevention
:
171
activities
that
we
circulate.
We
didn't
have
anything
in
:~
a]
draft
to
give
you
at
this
point
on
the
community
rig]
involvement,
Environmental
Justice
and
other
~
201
institutional
coordination
activitics.
This
­
but
this
~
211
was,
actually,
an
attempt
to,
at
least,
recognize
that
[
22]
there
were
some
of
those
issues,
we
are
going
someplace
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Page
195
[
I]
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
would,
necessary,

121
go
into
this
give,
you
know,
the
dispirit
views
right
now
131
over
whether
a
Coordinating
Committee
is
a
good
idea
and,

~
41
if
so
­
over
whether
a
Coordinating
Committee
is
a
good
~
51
idea
and,
if
so,
what
it
should
do.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah.
We
don't
­
that's
great.

~
71
I
mean.
we're
not
assuming
there's
a
consensus
on
that
[
a]
proposal
yet.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
And
Jim.
You
got
us
kind
of
started
[
IO]
and
WC`
rolled
so
that
we
could
get
input
and
now
we're
[
I
iI
back
to
your
thoughts.

1121
MR.
DEROUIN:
Well,
let
me
just
say
again,
the
[
IS]
closest
that
we
have
to
an
Executive
summary
are
the
~
141
findings
and
we
got
the
findings
before
the
~
151
rccommcndations
and
I
think
the
lindings
are
(
161
misrepresentativc
of
a
year's
full
of
work
by
virhle
of
~
171
the
issues
chosen
and
how
they're
phrased
specifically
at
[
i81
2,500
feet
or
whatever
level
we're
at.

I'
91
Let
mc
just
point
out
a
couple
of
things.
I
(
201
think
it's
clearer
that
there
is
a
need
for
the
Superfund
[
ZI]
Program.
We
go
around
on
that
issue,
but
it
bothers
me
p21
merely,
and
maybe
it
bothers
me
more
because
1
am
a
[
II
EPA
asked
us
to
tell
them
­
you
know,
to
answer
[
zl
the
question
about
the
NPL
and
its
non
sequitur,
to
~
31
answer
the
question
and
say
well,
costs
shouldn't
be
it
[
41
because
there's
so
much
more
in
the
body
than
merely
that
ISI
sole
conclusion.

~
El
So,
for
those
reasons
­

VI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Other
than
that
you
thought
they
(
[
a]
were
right
on,
right?

PI
MR.
DEROUIN:
Yeah,
you
know.
Great
job
and
­

(
101
right.
So,
that's
­
you
know,
1
find
I'm
in
the
unusual
[
I
11
position
of
agreeing
with
myself.

1121
MR.
EHRMANN:
The
Chairman
arranged
it
that
way
[
icy
for
you.

1141
MR.
LOEHR:
Well,
with
that,
let
me
turn
it
back
[
ISI
to
John.
That
sometimes
going
over
this
section
my
sense
`[
16]
is
that
we
may
need
to
­
probably
should
revisit
if'
­

(
171
not
if,
when
we
go
through
the
other
sections
to
see
if
(
181
some
of
these
continue
to
survive
and
should
be
placed
up
(
191
in
front
as
key
findings.

VOI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah.
And
we
should
have
a
better
[
21]
time
to
do
that
at
the
end
of
the
tomorrow
and,
again,

~
221
these
comments
are
extremely
helpful.
1
would
just
add
­

Page
194
~
Page
196
[
II
t~
wycr­
tlr;
tn
anything
else,
but
WC
refer
on
line
five
to
(
21
consistent
with
the
findings
of'
Kate's
rcport.
And
1
[
s]
think
WC
run
a
danger
anytime
we
incorporate.
by
~
41
rcfcrcncc,
in
total
the
body
of
an
entirely
different
ISI
body
~
I`
work.
r\
ncl
1
think
that's
something
that,
you
16;
know,
I
just
raise
that
CpIeStiOn.

['
I
In
terms
of`
thc
fLmding,
and
I'll
say
it
again,

[
8]
it
is
one­
half
of
the
discussion
that
is
in
this
document
~
91
and
Iatcr
parts
on
the
funding
issue.
So
as
a
~
10;
consequence
it
is
incomplete
on
the
issue
of
mega
sites.

(?
11
`
fhcrc
is
kind
of
an
oblique
reference
to
the
segmentation
[
jz]
stdy,
but
nary
does
the
word
scgmcntation
occur,
and
for
1131
the
c:~
sual
reader,
let's
face
it,
the
media
is
going
to
1443
rc;
d
the
findings
because
that's
exactly
the
summary.
Yoir
[
jil
know,
that
is
incomplete
with
respect
to
the
issue
01
cls]
mcga
sitcs
because
we
do
make,
1
think.
some
~
1
71
recommcnclations.

(
181
Finally.
with
respect
to
the
cost
issue,
I'm
not
1191
sure
­
you
know,
1
was
on
one
of
the
phone
GilIS
and
1
po]
think
cvcn
;~~
recd
to
lhc
language
costs
should
not
be
the
~
2"
primary
critcrium
in
driving
decisions.
llowcvcr,
there
,221
is
;
I
whole
another
side
lo
the
issue
and
that
is
What
is.

____
1
[
I]
­
is
there
anyone
else
who
didn't
­
in
the
spirit
of
[
z]
what
I
said
earlier,
didn't
comment
that
wants
to
make
131
any
fmal
comments
on
this.
1
know
you
all
know
how
to
141
put
your
cards
up,
but
just
so
we
make
sure
that
someone
[
5]
is
not
­

El
And,
again,
you
know,
everybody
who
commented
171
­
1
know
a
lot
of
those
will
be
echoed
in
your
written
181
comments,
which
wiIl
be
very
helpful,
and
if
there
are
[
g]
others
who
didn't
speak,
but
have
written
comments,

(
IO]
obviously
we
take
those
gleefully.
That
was
a
very
`[
I
11
helpful
discussion.

[
I?
Let's
go
then,
if
we
could,
to
the
section
[
rg]
that's
entitled
which
sites
should
go
on
the
NPL
and
I[
141
there
are
four
subsections
to
that,
the
first
of
which
is
[
is]
the
USC
of
the
NPL.
And
1
think
the
area
to
focus
[
ISI
primarily
on
here,
but
I'm
going
to
ask
Elizabeth
to
just
(
171
quickly
introduce
this
to
us,
are
pages
11
and
12,
just
[
ia]
so
you
can
get
oriented
because
that's
really
that
kind
[
ig]
of
summary
of
recommendations
and
then
the
two
options,

[
zo]
and
that's
what
we
really
would
like
to
get
your
[
zi]
reactions
to,
again,
acknowledging,
there's
lots
of
I
[
z]
language
m
hcrc
that
we'll
pick
up
on
your
written
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[
i]
commentary.

PI
Elizabeth,
any
introductory
comments?

PI
MS.
McMANUS:
I
would
just
say
that
this
is
the
[
4]
work
that
came
out
of
the
two
scenarios.
We
used
to
call
[
5]
these
scenarios
for
the
NPL
back
in
the
Phoenix
meeting.

[
s]
So,
you3
see
that
here
on
page
11
and
12
there
are
a
m
number
of,
sort
of,
we
characterize
them
as
provisional
[
a]
areas
of
agreement,
including
the
now
much
discussed
[
g]
language
on
the
role
that
costs
should
play
in
informing
[
ICI]
EPA's
decisions
about
whether
or
not
to
list
NPL
sites.

1111
Basically,
you
know,
the
group
came
out
with
Liz]
these
areas
of
agreement
­
provisional
agreement
having
[
is]
to
do
with
improvements
to
the
screening
process,
having
[
14]
to
do
potentially
with
improvements
to
HRS,
all
of
which
(
151
will
be
discussed
in
more
detail.
In
light
of
those
[
is]
improvements
they
had
two
options
then
for
whether
on
top
1171
of
those
there
should
be
an
additional
Federal
screen.

[
la1
Of
course,
option
one
is
yes,
there
should
be
an
[
19]
additional
national
level
screen
and
you
can
see
the
~
201
reasons
why
people
thought
that
was
a
good
idea;
and
[
ZI]
option
two
was
no,
the
improvements
to
the
Superfund
site
122)
assessment
process
to
HRS
or
early
screening
­

Page
198
[
II
(
End
tape
three,
side
one.)

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Let
me
open
the
discussion
by
131
turning
to
Barry,
who
you
recall
has
commented
earlier
141
this
afternoon
about
their
aspects
of
this
to
which
he
[
s]
would
like
to
make
some
comments
and
I
would
like
to
[
6]
capture
those
this
afternoon.

m
So,
let
me
start
with
that
and
then
those
of
you
[
s]
that
have
other
inputs,
usual
situations
­
put
up
your
[
9]
signs
and
we'll
make
sure
you
get
noticed.

[
lOI
MR.
BREEN:
Thanks,
Ray.
Let
me
tell
you,

[
I
11
first,
why
I
feel
moved
to
speak
on
this
and
then,

[
lz]
second,
what
my
other
option
that
I
would
tee­
up
for
you
[
13]
is.

[
I41
Why
I
feel
moved
to
speak,
in
April,
two
months
[
15]
ago,
it
felI
to
me
to
actually
add
sites
to
the
NPI..
I
~
161
was
the
one
who
signed
the
Federal
Register
notice,
going
[
t
;
1
the
role
making,
both
the
proposed
and
the
fiil.
And
I
[,
a]
knew
when
I
did
thal
that
I
was
having
a
real
flcsh­
and­

(
191
blood
impact
on
certain
communities.
Whatever
arc
the
[
XI]
worries
about
being
designated
an
NPL
site,
I
was
doing
[
ZI
it,
and
I
knew
I
was
having
an
impact
on
the
program.
A
(
ZZ]
workload
impact.
We
now
had
to
worry
about
finding
`
I
141
So
when
we
looked
inside
we
started
to
set
that
is]
there
is
actually
another
way
to
create
some
of
the
161
transparency
that
I
think
we're
all
looking
for,
and
it's
171
this.
L'

I[.

[:
Page
199
[
I]
remedial
project
managers
for
these
sites
and
managing
[
2]
them.

L31
And
so
it
was
a
responsibility
I
took
pretty
141
seriously
and
ultimately
I
felt
like
it
would
be
foolish
[
5]
on
my
part
not
to
take
into
account
what
the
workload
was
[
6]
and
what
the
real
life
impacts
were.
And
so,
yet
I
knew
[
7]
when
I
read
this
text
over
the
last
couple
of
weeks
that
[
a]
it
was
an
effort
to
find
a
middle
ground
and
we
had
[
g]
talked
in
Phoenix
about
not
wanting
to
go
all
the
way
to
io]
option
one,
which
was
list
everything
at
28.5,
and
not
ii]
all
the
way
to
option
two,
which
is
only
list
sites
that
IZ]
you
know
at
the
time
you
list
them
you've
got
funding
131
for.
And
we're
looking
for
a
middle
ground.

161
A
year
and
a
half
ago
when
Congress
enacted
the
191
Brownfield
amendments,
they
did
it
by
amending
CIRCLIS
!
o]
(
phonetic)
and
so
we
now
have
built
into
CIRCLIS
a
number
?
I]
of
new
findings
that
we
never
made
before.
And
Congress
121
called
us
to
develop
a
set
of
sites.
Congress
didn't
ask
Page
200
[
j]
us
to
give
it
a
name
and
it
doesn't
have
a
name
in
the
[
2]
Statute,
and
internally
we
had
started
calling
them
sites
[
3]
of
Federal
interest.
But
it
is
a
list
of
sites
that
are
[
4]
not
on
the
NPL,
but
that
we
are,
nonetheless,
cognizant
[
5]
of
­
the
Statute
says
possible
for
listing
on
the
NPL
in
[
6]
one
place.

VI
And
so
it
turns
out
there
are
about
3,000
of
[
a]
these
sites
of
Federal
interest
and
I
wonder
­
and
[
g]
that's
beyond
the
NPI..
And
I
wonder
if
some
of
the
neccl
101
that
we're
all
feeling
for
a
level
of
giving
some
[
i
I]
visibility
and
transparency
without
getting
all
the
~
[
12]
unintent
consequences
of
making
the
sites,
getting
(
131
whatever
stigma
it
gets
from
being
on
the
NPL
and
making
~
141
commitments
honestly
to
communities
about
you
arc
now
on
[
is]
our
list
to
get
Federal
funds,
a
commitment
that
I
had
[
16]
trouble
making
when
I
had
to
make
that
commitment.
lha1
1171
if
we
contract
those
sites
of
Federal
interest
better,

[
is]
elevate
and
make
them
more
visible,
that
that
doesn`
t
[
lg]
meet
some
of
the
needs
that
you're
feeling
without
having
[
zo]
the
unintended
consequcnccs
that
I
worried
about
so
ITILICII.

WI
So,
I
think
the
bottom
line,
Ray,
the
issue
I'm
~
221
suggesting
is
that
WC
pay
some
attention
to
saying
that
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1
Page
203
[
II
the
entry
onto
that
set
of
sites
of
Federal
interest
(
11
I
mean,
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
way,
and
I
(
21
ought
not
to
be
driven
­
ought
not
to
be
cognizant
of
[
z]
haven't
thought
it
through
because
I
wasn't
on
this
work
~
31
cost,
but
that
when
one
would
list
an
NPL
site,
although
[
3]
group,
of
thinking
about
a
process
where
we,
at
least,
[
q
it
should
be
driven
by
risk
and
program
fit,
it's
141
know
where
those
sites
are.
But
I
don't
think
that
gets
~
51
legitimate
for
a
manager
to
take
workload
and
cost
into
[
q
to
the
NPL
listing
issue.
[
q
account
in
that
process.
161
I
guess
I
think
that's
­
that's
a
solution
to
a
[
71
And
so
that's
the
alternative
that
1
would
be
[
7]
different
problem.
I
mean,
I
guess
I
would
argue
it,
~
81
asking
for
some
thoughts
back
on.
(
81
sort
of,
goes
to
the
comments
that
option
two
here
is,
as
PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Wilma
[
g]
an
old
boss
of
mine
would
say,
smoking
dope.
I
mean,

[
lOI
MS.
SUBRA:
Two
questions.
Are
these
sites
of
`[
IO]
we're
just
not
going
to
have
a
system
in
which
any
size
[
ii]
special
interest
on
CIRCLA,
yes
or
­
[
ii]
as
far
as
28.5
or
above
is
­
it's
not
an
LBA
loss
­
is
!
121
MR.
BREEN:
On
CIRCLIS
­
in
CIRCLIS,
the
Circle
[
IZ]
listed.
[<
q
Information
Systcm.
Yes,
they
are
in
CIRCLIS.
[
I31
So,
just
on
the
totally
practical
element
there
1141
MS.
SUBRA:
Okay.
And
then
how
would
you
~
141
are
thousands
of
these
sites
that
score
28.5
or
above.
[
jq
propose
to
fund
the
cleanup
of
these
sites?
[
is]
So,
to
me
to
talk
about
this
section
­
I
just
think
two
1161
MR.
BREEN:
What
I'm
proposing
is
that
thcsc
[
16]
is
completely
unrealistic,
the
score
­
HRS
scoring,
117:
shauld
be
sites
that
we
would
give
some
visibility
to
~
171
which
I
think
you're
agreeing
with.
I
mean,
we're
just
(~
a]
that
list.
1
don't
have
the
answer
because
some
of
them
[
I81
11q
are
going
to
ultimately
go
to
other
programs.
These
are
~
ncq
the
sites
that
are
possible
for
NPI.
listing
and
not,

[
zi]
certainly
for
NPL
listing.

WI
MS.
SUBRA:
So,
before
they
would
get
on
this
1
[
ISI
So,
I
mean,
for
me
that's
not
something
we
can
[
no]
live
with
just
from
a
practical
notion.
But
I
don't
[
ZII
think
your
solution
gets
to
the
heart
of
the
problem,

1221
which
is,
frankly,
it's
a
chicken
and
egg
and
I
try
to
Page
202
Page
204
[
II
list
wouldn't
you
evaluate
and
see
whether
or
not
they
1
[
I]
write
this
in
the
funding
piece,
which
is
­
I
think
for
[
2]
lit
in
other
programs?
[
2]
some
of
us
we're
concerned
that
if
the
agency
only
lists
I31
MR.
BREEN:
Not
necessarily
before.
It
could
[
3]
those
sites
­
I
only
speak
for
myself.
+
I]
happen
easily
while
they're
in
that
category.
L41
Only
lists
those
sites
where
they
have
money,

bl
MS.
SUPRA:
Okay.
Thanks.
(
51
there's
frankly
nothing
out
there
on
the
political
arena
161
MR.
LOEHR:
Kate.
[
6]
that
allows
anybody
to
lobby
for
more
funding
for
[
71
MS.
PROBST:
Do
you
want
me
to
address
Barry's
17)
Superfund.
And
it
becomes
a
self­
fulfilling
prophecy,
[
q
point
or
talk
about
this
section?
(
81
The
Agency
lists
exactly
what
it
has
the
resources
to
(
91
MR.
LOEHR:
First,
Barry's
point.
[
s]
lisl
and
then
if
you're
the
Mayor
of
New
Bedford
or
[`
Ol
MS.
PROBST:
I
guess
I
wonder
if
then
we're
/[
io]
you're
somebody
else
or
you're
ANISTEN
(
phonetic)
or
[
I
11
recreating
the
(~
IRCLIS
problem
we
had
before,
which
we
[
ill
you're
some
site
out
there,
there's
kind
of
no
way
for
jlz]
got
IXI
01`
because
ofdrvelopmcnt
and
other
concerns
[
13]
about
sires
that
had
liability
­
you
know,
how
WC
wiped
/
[
t21
you
to
get
into
the
system
where
then
you
can
argue
you
I131
need
money.
[
lb]
out
the
old
­
the
list
­
the
sites
that
were
CIRCLIS
(
151
lx~;
wse
a
whole
lot
of
dcvclopers
didn't
like
that.

I
$
61
So
I
­
I
mean.
I
think
­
and
1
think
that's
[
I
7:
whcrc
we
would
be.
If
the
number
is
3,000
we're
kind
of
,181
­
that's
the
jail
list
­
that's
the
list
­
you
know,

[
rol
28.5
or
above
that
wc
don't
cluitc
know
what
to
do
with.

(
201
So,
why
we
can
track
it
those
sites
would
never
be
on
the
171;
NPI.
bc~
cause
~,
OOO
sites
waiting
liar
NPI.
listing
is,
you
p?]
know,
1101
possible
I141
So,
if
we
only
list
exactly
what
we
have
the
[
ISI
program
is
static.
hnd
I
­
speaking
for
myself,
that
[
i6]
worries
me
given
what
I
think
of
is
the
purpose
of
the
[
ITI
NPI..
So
I
­
you
know,
I
don't
think
your
process
­
it
[
ia]
joist
is
a
more
transparent
what's
in
the
CIRCLIS
system.

II91
I
mean,
we
would
all
like
to
have
information
on
1201
11~
s~
~,
OOO
sites.
1
know
when
we
did
our
interviews,

1211
you
know
the
States
were
tracking
them
down.
So
that's.

I
[
z]
sort
of',
to
me
an
information
systems
problem
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207
111
it's
not
that
EPA
is
saying
they're
going
to
take
care
of
lz]
them.
They're
just
saying,
we'll
make
the
list
easier
131
for
you
to
get.

141
I
don't
know
if
I'm
making
any
sense,
but
I
ls]
think
that's
the
problem
­
a
solution
to
a
different
[
s]
problem
and
this
really
is
a
political
problem.
I'll
be
171
quiet.
Did
that
­
I
don't
know
if
that
made
any
sense
[
al
at
all,
but
­

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Go
ahead,
Barry.

[
jOI
MR.
BREEN:
Something,
Kate,
that
you
said
made
[
111
me
wonder
whether
I
was
articulate
enough
a
moment
ago
[
I21
I
wouldn't
suggest
that
we
would
list
only
sites
[
131
that
we
were
sure
we
could
fund,
but
rather
­
I
also
~
14~
don't
want
to
be
irresponsible
and
not
think
about
[
I
sl
workload
and
funding
either.
And
so
language
that
would
[
16]
say
to
me
don't
take
cost
into
account
feels
to
me
like
~
171
I'm
being
told
go
like
this
when
you
make
a
decision.

I181
MS.
PROBST:
I
totally
agree.
Can
I
say
one
~
191
more
thing?
This
is
bias
by
my
work,
which
Jim
doesn't
~
201
want
to
cite,
but
when
I
look
at
our
numbers,
okay,
we
~
211
have
this
more
than
1.3
Billion
from
2000
to
2008
~
221
basically,
and
then
given
the
assumptions
we
have
where
Page
206
[
I]
at
1.3,
which
is
actually
less
because
it
changes,
I
(
21
think
on
into
the
future
listing
about
35
or
40
sites
a
(
31
year
with
a
couple
of
megas
­
I
mean,
one
of
the
[
4]
questions
as
I
listen
lo
all
this
­
I
know
political
[
51
horizons
are
short.

El
Because
I
sit
there
and
think
do
we
have
a
m
problem
that's
a
lo­
year
problem.
So,
not
a
two
year
[
sl
problem,
but
a
IO­
year
problem,
but
not
a
problem
out
191
into
the
fuuture
forever.
And
are
we
creating
this
whole
[
lo]
­
I
mean,
I
found
this
section
more
than
I
could
handle
[
I,]
­
confusing,
difficult.
I
didn't
think
it
was
going
to
~
121
be
­
I
didn't
see
how
EPA
could
implement
it.
If
I
were
~
131
Betsy
or
Barry
I
would
cry.

[
I41
And
I
guess
one
of
the
questions
I
have
is
­

[
15]
what's
the
problem
we're
trying
to
solve,
which
goes
back
[
16]
to
some
other
comments
that
we've
had.
We
have
the
~
171
charge
from
EPA,
but
I
guess
I'm
not
sure
that
we
­
I'm
[~
a]
not
sure
we,
as
a
group,
ever
clearly
articulated
and
[
I91
agreed
on
what
the
problem
wds.

IW
But
if
this
is
a
lo­
year
problem,
as
opposed
to
[
2,1
Medicare,
which
is
a
­
you
know,
whatever
problem
whcrc
[
zl
the
Federal
deficit
­
and
if
it's
a
really
relatively
[
I
J
small
number
in
the
larger
scheme
of
things,
are
we
tying
[
2]
ourselves
in
knots
for
what
is
a
problem
that
if
WC
­
il
[
3]
you
guys
redid
our
numbers
and
we
updated
them
or
(
41
whatever
as
sort
of
finite
­
you
know,
are
we
creating
IS]
whole
new
structures.

161
No.
I
agree
with
you
that
you
can't
not
look
[
71
and
see
­
you
know,
pretend
that
there
is
no
resource
181
constraints.
I
mean,
1
think
that
would
be
[
gl
irresponsible.
But
all
I'm
saying
is
there's
got
to
be
a
[
i
01
middle
ground
where,
you
know,
we
all
read
that
preamble
11
carefully
as
saying,
oh,
they
took
costs
into
account
­

21
to
the
most
recent
listing.
I
mean,
I
think
a
lot
of
us
31
read
that
extremely
carefully.
And
that's
a
little
scary
41
because
then,
frankly,
what
you
have
is
EPA
just
51
controlling
the
program
to
the
point
where
they
can
say
61
we
have
no
funding
shortfall,
right,
because
the
sites
go
71
down.
So
there's
not
a
problem
because
you've
so
61
constrained
what
the
workload
is.

91
MR.
EHRMANN:
Did
I
hear
you
to
say
that
you
to1
would
­
just
to
put
a
finer
point
on
it
­
that
you
!
il
would
be
comfortable
with
the
kind
of
language
where
11
!
21
says
costs
should
not
be
the
primary
criteria
in
option
[
I91
MR.
PUTNAM:
110~
did
Marianne
arrange
to
bc
out
~
po]
of
town,
so
you
had
to
sign
the
listing?

1211
FEMALE
VOICE:
I'm
sure
she
­
(
inaudible).

~
[
221
MR.
PUTNAM:
Well,
where's
Mike
in
that?
What
aage
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­

I31
MR.
EHRMANN:
I'm
just
trying
to
­
I
mean,
it's
[
4]
very
­
I
mean,
I
think
it
was
very
helpful
for
me
to
[
5]
understand.
But
I'm
just
trying
to
ligure
out
what
would
[
6]
be
safe?

I71
MS.
PROBST:
Right.
I
don't
know.
I'm
with
[
a]
something
Jim
said.
I
don't
think
we've
talked
about
the
191
criteria
are
for
listing.

01
MR.
EHRMANN:
I
understand
that
and
WC
get
to
11
that
later
on.

21
MS.
PROBST:
Well,
I
would
be
comfortable
that
31
the
statement
of
costs
should
not
bc
the
primary
­
I
41
don't
think
that's
the
whole
­
all
we
should
say.

51
MR.
EHRMANN:
I
understand.
I
undersldnd.
I'm
61
just
trying
to
take
this
particular
piece
­
okay.
(
Go
71
ahead.

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LOEHR:
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[
i]
was
your
consideration
for
the
sites
you
didn't
list?

[
z]
What
did
you
think
was
going
to
happen
to
them?

PI
MR.
BREEN:
I
knew
I
had
other
listings
in
the
___­
___­
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209
Page
211
[
I]
because
that's
obviously
informing
what's
going
on
here,

[
2]
which
is
what
I
think
your
question
­

I31
MR.
PUTNAM:
Wetl,
I
also
­
they
threw
this
out
[
4]
hlture
where
I
could
move
them
into
the
listing
process
151
and
that
it
wasn't
a
one­
shot
deal,
and
that
this
­
you
[
6]
know,
you
only
list
a
site
once,
but
you
don't
­
you
~
71
don't
decide
­
if
you
don't
put
it
on
that
list
it
[
a]
doesn't
mean
you
can't
put
it
on
the
next
one.

PI
MR.
PUTNAM:
Well,
why
would
you
think
the
[
lo]
circumstances
are
going
to
be
any
different
a1
the
next
11
I]
listing?
That
a
low
ranking
site
is
ever
going
to
not
be
1121
a
low
ranking
site
and
that
you're
going
to
get
more
[
13]
money?
I
mean,
the
reality
is
that
site
was
given
to
you
(
141
by
a
State
and
you
rejected
it
or
you
postponed
it
for
a
[
i5]
future
listing
that
may
never
come.

(
161
MR.
BREEN:
It's
certainly
the
case
I
didn't
(
171
reject
it.`
l'hat's
not
called
up
to
do
that.
It
just
[
ia]
meant
that
I
didn't
need
to
list
it
at
the
time
at
that
[
rsl
tnotncnt
in
order
to
feel
like
I
was
managing
responsibly.
I41
Fi
1`
31
PI
IlO!

1111
[
I?

I
[
I31
as
two
after
the
charge
was
developed.
I
mean
­

MR.
EHRMANN:
I
understand.

MR.
PUTNAM:
­
our
first
meeting
was
what's
the
role
of
the
NPL
and
then,
you
know,
six
months
into
it
it's
like
oh,
wait
a
minute.
We
have
this
idea
we
want
your
input
on.
And
I
thought
it
was
pretty
clear
the
input
was
not
too
many
people
liked
it.

MS.
MAYO:
Was
there
an
idea
­
was
that
going
to
the
work
group?

[
I41
(
151
1lW
MR.
PUTNAM:
I
mean,
they
­
the
impression
I
got
in
Phoenix
was
it
wasn't
a
good
idea.

MR.
EHRMANN:
Well,
I
think
again
what
we
need
to
gravel
with
here
is
the
ideas
that
are
down
on
paper,

what
people
think
about
them
and
are
there
other
ways
to
get
at
this
that
would
be
more
effective,
and
I
think
what
Barry's
putting
on
the
table
is
an
aspect
of
this
Issue.
PO1
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[:
I
PI
PI
(
41
PI
161
(
71
PI
21
I'
01
!
111
[
121
I'
31
[:
4]

[
IF
[
if31
I171
;'
61
1191
[
23]

[
21
(
22)
on
this
site,
and
you
said
what
lo
him
or
her,
whoever
it
was7
Not
yet,

MR.
EREEN:
`
l'hc
system
didn't
call
on
me
to
do
tha(.
It
just
called
on
me
to
­
I
understand
your
pottiL,
f:
d,
but
I
guess
­
what
I'm
trying
to
tell
you
back
is
that
thcrc
are
consequences
to
listing
and
assigning
those
consequences
to
a
community,
1
feel
like
I
need
10
take
into
account
everything
and
not
just
some
things.

MR.
PUTNAM:
Well,
additionally,
I
think
what
you
did
requires
rofc
Inaking
and
public
comment.`
l'here
\~`
a\
public
comment
on
what
you
were
concerned.
My
rccollcction
is
nobody
liked
it,
yet
you
did
it
anyway.

And
as
far
as
workload,
doing
an
KII'S
on
a
site
is
a
minor
workload
addition.
I
mean,
it
­
FI'li
wise
and
money
wise
it's
a
very
small
percentage
of
the
overall
workload
going
on
at
liPA.

MR.
EHRMANN:
Let
me
suggest
that
­
I
mean,
I
think
II'S
very
helpful
obviously
10
have
the
real
time
cxpcrlcncc
here
and
encourage
folks
who
arc
commenting
to
rcllrcr
on
tflc
spccilic
suggestion
that
Barry
made,

rcfIcc.
1
on
Lhc
cxpericncc
lhat
happcncd
in
this
year,
MR.
PUTNAM:
But
didn't
the
States
ask
you
to
do
it
at
that
time.
I
mean,
we're
­
you
have
a
site
where
w31
WI
the
State
Governor
handed
it
to
you
and
said
please
work
~~
~_
~`
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210
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If1
121
131
L41
151
El
F­
1
Fl
PI
[
lOI
[
I
11
1121
1131
[
I41
I151
[
I61
[
I71
llel
Some
may
see
it
as
not
the
right
answer
to
the
right
question,
but
let's
reflect
on
the
language
that's
__~

Page
212
here
and
get
a
sense
of
whether
­
what
you
would
propose
­
and
you've
already
said
in
your
earlier
comments,
you
would
prefer
language
that
says
caution
not
be
a
factor.

MR.
PUTNAM:
Caution
not
be
a
factor
and
if
you
are
going
to
reject
sites
from
the
NPL,
which
is,
in
essence,
whal
they
did
­
I
mean,
I
think
it's
a
rejection,
not
putting
it
on
when
it's
ready
to
go.

That
we
can
reflect
in
the
language.
I
don't
think
that's
acceptable.
I
think
doing
that
without
soliciting
proper
public
comment
on
that
issue.
I
mean,

right
now
if
you
read
the
NCP
all
you
need
is
a
28.5
to
get
on
the
NPL.
You
don't
even
a
Governor's
letter.

So,
I
think
they've
violated
their
own
rules
by
not
doing
that.
By
implementing
this
new
strategy
and
then
asking
us
for
permission
is
certainly
contrary
to
how
it
should
go.

FEMALE
VOICE:
The
other
point
that
I
hear
you
tnaking
and
I
just
want
to
repeat
because
I
feel
Iike
it's
[
I91
getting
lost
in
the
point
that
you
­
(
inaudible)
­

[
zo]
choosing
not
to
list
a
site,
to
delay
listing
a
site
or
~
[
XI
not
to
list
it
altogether,
has
consequences
too.
So,
you
1221
know,
after
sort
of
considering
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the
consequences
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[
I]
of
that
decision
making
the
yes
has
a
set
of
consequences
[
z]
and
the
no
has
a
set
of
consequences,
and
the
not
right
[
a]
now,
maybe
later
has
a
set
of
consequences.

[
41
MR.
PUTNAM:
Well,
I
think
our
language
has
­
I
[
q
mean,
we
have
the
limbo
phraseology
in
there
and
I
think
161
that's
what
happens
to
it.
So,
I
think
­
it
can
even
[
7]
say
more
about,
you
know,
this
type
of
action
being
[
a]
contrary
to
existing
role
making
and
all
that
other
stuff
[
9]
too.

[
lOI
MR.
LOEHR:
Let
me
continue
the
roll.
Dolores.

u11
MS.
HERRERA:
Okay.
Barry,
I
wouldn't
want
your
[
iz]
job
and
I'm
glad
I
don't
have
it.

[
131
I
believe
that
there
is
a
process
that
if
that's
~
141
going
to
happen,
what
you're
proposing,
is
­
and
it's
~
151
called
talking
to
the
community
and
giving
them
an
option
(
1
s]
and
explaining
what
the
options
are.
But
just
to
make
1171
that
decision
based
on
non­
accessible
dollars
or
[
re]
resources
or
expendable
resources,
anAgency
capacity
is
1191
circumventing
a
public
process.
I
would
vote
no.

1201
MR.
LOEHR:
Grant.

I211
MR.
COPE:
I
was
just
trying
to
get
my
points
(
221
down
into
three
because
that's
what
Mel
says.
It's
­

Page
214
[
I]
always
three.
Even
if
it's
four,
it's
three.

t21
MALE
VOICE:
That's
an
engineer.
Lawyers
get
131
more
than
that.

141
MR.
COPE:
That's
my
fist
rule.
On
the
issue
[
s]
of
the
legality
of
it
and
­
I
don't
know
­
I'm
[
s]
obviously
not
with
ODC,
but
it
seems
to
me
findings
are
a
r/]
pretty
flimsy
foundation
to
rest
a
policy
like
that
on,

[
a]
and
I
guess
I
would
echo
what
other
people
have
said
in
[
g]
that
I
don't
­
it
certainly,
you
know,
common
sense
to
[
IO]
be
a
good
manager
and
you
don't
want
to
overstress
your
[
i
11
people;
morale
is
important.

[
f21
But
I
don't
know
if
it
is
legitimate
to
refuse
IIS]
to
list
sites
that
are
ready
to
go.
It
seems
to
me
to
be
~
14~
a
pretty
drastic
change
in
policy
and
I
guess
I
would
1151
just
echo
what
other
people
have
said.
You
know,
I
don't
~
161
know
if
that's
an
issue
that
this
working
group
or
this
(
171
group,
rather,
wants
to
take
up,
period,
to
recommend
[
je]
that
EPA
re­
examine
that
in
a
real
serious
way
­
well,

(
19]
with
the
recommendation
for
doing
away
will1
it.

PO1
And
then
just
really
quickly
two
other
poinls.

[
21]
If
EPA
decides
to
go
down
this
road,
it
dots
stem
to
mc
p21
that
you're
just
recreating
the
stigma
problem.
I
mean,

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I
understand
that
you
don't
want
to
list
it
to
get
away
[
2]
from
it,
but
the
higher
the
proftie,
you
know,
the
more
[
a]
stigma
it
would
create.

[
41
And
then
this
feeds
right
into
the
third
issue,

[
s]
which
is,
you
know,
you
really
are
creating,
in
essence,

[
s]
what
is
a
pressure
release
valve,
which
undercuts
your.

~
1
ability
to
actually
get
more
funding.
So,
it
seems
like
[
8]
it's
a
­
you
know,
the
thing
that
I've
written
down
is
[
g]
the
cosmetic
solution
as
an
approach
to
addressing
real
lo]
problems,
which
are,
you
know,
communities
being
hurt.

111
MR.
LOEHR:
Doris.

121
MS.
CELLARIUS:
I
find
that
the
proposal
for
the
131
listed
area
we're
talking
about
a
little
bit
confusing,

141
at
least,
to
me.
A
person
would
want
to
know
what
151
Superfund
benefits
they
might
still
have
if
they
weren't
161
on
the
list.
But
1
think
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
171
the
community
and
the
legal
opportunities
wouldn't
be
i
a]
there.

191
I
have
a
question
in
reading
the
Resources
­

zo]
(
inaudible)
­
book.
It
said
that
when
they
surveyed
the
211
States
there
were
States
that
said
that
they
would
add
221
some
mega
sites
to
it
and
that
a
significant
number
01
Page
216
[
i]
these
mega
sites
could
largely
be
funded
by
Pl1Ps.

[
z]
Something
like
80
percent.
And
this
really
jumped
out
at
[
3]
me
as
an
opportunity.
Is
that
true?
1
mean
­
iC
[
4]
sounded
like
­

PI
FEMALE
VOICE:
It
is
true
that
not
­
you
know,

[
s]
I
don't
remember
the
exact
numbers.
I
think
we
had
­
I
[
7]
mean,
at
least
based
on
the
interviews
we
did
it
wasn't
[
a]
that
all
mega
sites
were
going
to
be
fund
lead.
It
was
[
g]
like
20
or
30
percent
­
I
think
20
or
30
percent.
I
IO]
don't
remember,
although
I
could
get
you
the
number.

111
MS.
CELLARIUS:
Well,
it's
like
an
interesting
IZ]
number.

131
FEMALE
VOICE:
Yeah.
No,
they're
not
all
­

141
MS.
CELLARIUS:
It
makes
you
feel
that
­
you
151
know,
that
there
arc
real
opportunities
once
a
site
is
161
listed
and
you
don't
start
that
process
unless
­

171
MR.
LOEHR:
Gary.

181
MR.
COPE:
I
guess
­
I
don't
see
this
as
bcinl:

191
3,000
sites
that
we're
talking
about.`
l'hc
process
01
201
bringing
a
site
forward
to
the
point
of
listing
is
a
211
process
that
no
local
community,
no
State.
no
EPA
221
regional
office
takes
without
knowing
that
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[
I]
significant
amount
of
costs
that
are
involved
just
moving
[
z]
it
forward.

I31
1
mean.
the
community
has
to
agree.
You
have
to
[
4]
make
SLIK
you've
talked
to
the
PRPs
where
they're
there.

151
For
a
State,
you
have
to
go
through
a
difficult
process
[
6]
through
your
administration
to
get
approvaI.
You've
gone
[
7]
throtlgh
an
extensive
overview
as
far
as
the
pathways
to
181
make
sure
a11
your
data
is
solid
to
withstand
any
kind
of
[
9]
appeal
101
YOLI
know,
I
think
we're
­
I
think
what
we're
.
i
11
talkmg
abot~
t
doing
is
for
a
limited
number
of
sites
­
I
121
don't
know.
ten,
twenty
a
year
­
we're
creating
a
new
131
category
and
I
call
it
the
listing
purgatory.
I
just
­

141
I
don't
know
how
these
sites
are
going
to
get
out
of
i
51
thcrc
I
mean,
if
we're
going
to
call
it
that,
I
guess
161
tkit`~
what
it
is.
~
11
works,
that
the
regional
staff
will
say,
well,
I'm
going
[
z]
to
choose
the
sites
that
I
want
to
work
on,
and
we're
not
(
31
going
to
go
through
the
NPL
process
but
I'm
going
to
say,

[
4]
you
know,
this
is
close,
it's
equivalent,
and
we
would
[
sl
like
you
­
you
know,
we
would
Iike
to
oversight
on
your
[
6]
site.

1`

I'
[
71
And
so
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
put
this
la]
into
a
system
in
which
we're
making
recommendations
about
(
91
how
YOLI
make
choices
and
do
something
that's
very
IO]
transparent
on
an
NPL
listing,
but
at
the
same
time
the
I
I]
kind
of
decent
­
(
inaudible)
­
structure
allows
14
regional
staff
to
make
their
own
decisions
in
terms
of
131
the
sites
that
they're
going
to
spend
time
on
by
141
designating
them
Superfund
alternatives.

151
MR.
LOEHR:
Steve.

161
MR.
ELBERT:
I
would
say
just
a
couple
things.
1r
I'

['

[
i
[
I71
But
I
agree
with
Ed,
I'm
not
sure
how
they
get
[
IQ
out
of
therc.
hnd
to
­
I
think
as
others
have
said,
it
[
igl
really
is
transforming
what
­
I
mean,
the
purpose
of
the
[
ZOJ
NPI.
is
really
to
identify
those
sites
that
have
a
(
211
significant
human
health
and
environmental
risk
that
are
[
zzl
sites
of
national
concern.
This
nation
needs
to
know
11
[
I
71
Number
one,
I'm
very,
very
comfortable
with
having
cost
[
is]
be
a
significant
criterium
for
Listing.
I
think
it
puts
1191
some
pressure
in
the
system.
I
think
we
do
ourselves
a
[
zo]
disservice
when
we
say,
well,
if
we
consider
those
costs
1~
1
then
the
program
becomes
static
or
we
compromise
an
[
zz]
ability
to
fimd.
Page
21s
Page
218
Page
220
~
11
;
rlx~
ut
those
sites
and
that
goes
beyond
funding
issues.

I21
1
lust
­
I'm
just
troubled
by
this
and
I'm
(
31
trouhlcd
by
the
notion
of
trying
to
compare
sites
that
[
41
have
gone
to
this
level
with
the
3,000
other
sites
of
151
I~
edcral
Interest,
which
I'm
not
even
sure
what
that
list
161
is
all
about.
~
111
To
me
that's
missing
the
point.
The
problem
is
[
z]
we
don't
have
the
funding.
We're
not
­
if
the
answer
131
were
that
well,
we'll
just
get
additional
funding,
then
[
4]
there's
no
point
in
this
Subcommittee
even
meeting.
The
(
[
s]
IPA
has
convened
us
to
help
get
advice
on
how
to
deal
[
6]
with,
as
Dolores
put,
the
realities
of
today,
which
is
we
VI
MR.
EHRMANN:
We've
got
about
seven/
eight
171
don't
have
more
funding.
[
sl
mlnutcs
on
this
topic.
So,
if
the
remaining
speakers
PI
Now
if
we
want
to
talk
about
additional
funding,
[
g]
make
your
comments
brief
we
can
get
everybody
in
19)
that's
a
valid
thing.
I'm
happy
to
talk
about
that.
But
[
IO]
p"`
bably
1101
it
misses
the
point
of
this
conference
­
or
this
II
`
1
MR.
LOEHR:
Sue.
`[
ii]
program.
And
I
Iikc
the
idea
of
putting
cost
in
there
[
IT
MS.
BRIGGUM:
Yeah.
I'm
just
having
trouble
[
IZI
because
it
triggers
the
kinds
of
discussions
that
Ed
and
~
131
hcrc
with
my
experience
in
the
field
and
the
description
$
31
Gary
raised,
which
I
don't
understand
entirely,
but
it
1141
of'
the
system
because
I'm
hearing
what
Ed
and
Gary
are
1141
begins
to
get
those
very
thorny
questions
out
on
the
[
151
saying
in
terms
of
the
importance
of
the
prioritization
[
is]
table
and
it
puts
some
pressure
in
the
system
to
raise
[
16]
where
you
have
a
process
that
the
States
make
their
1161
those
discussions.
[
j71
sclcction.
they
go
to
I1PA.`
ll~
cre's
a
headquarters
review
I'
71
When
we
dog­
leg
off
into
saying
well,
we'll
just
;`
8)
acid
;
I
clctcrmination
of
the
universe
of
sites
that
all
of
[
ial
argue
and
get
more
appropriations,
there's
no
pressure
in
1191
the
IVA
employees
should
be
devoting
themselves
on
in
1191
the
system
to
do
anything
different
and
the
whole
point
12~:
tefn~
s
of
new
listings
a
year.
(
201
01'
LIS
­
oL`
what
EPA
has
asked
us
to
do
is
to
give
them
P
`
I
]~
LII
in
at
Icast
a
trouplr
of
the
regions
our
(
211
options
Li)
r
getting
­
to
thinking
differently
and
(
2%)
expcricncc
is
that
that
entirely
the
way
the
program
1221
driving
different
behavior.

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iI
MR.
LOEHR:
Vicky.

El
MS.
PETERS:
Speaking
as
an
attorney
who
has
[
3]
recently
been
reassigned
for
the
third
time
in
my
15
year
[
4]
career
to
the
same
site,
I
did
not
come
to
the
conclusion
[
5]
easily
that
Ed
and
others
have
been
proposingYou
know,

[
6]
I
work
on
Leadville.
We're
going
to
be
hitting
20
years
m
and
it
was
real
hard
for
me
to
say,
yeah,
maybe
we
should
[
a]
be
looking
at
putting
resources
to
other
sites.
You
[
g]
know,
I
think
all
money
should
go
there
until
we're
done.

[
jOI
But,
on
the
other
hand,
what
convinced
me
was
[
I
11
two
things.
One
was
was
the
idea
of
telling
the
truth
1121
and
shaming
the
devil,
and
if
Congress
doesn't
want
to
1131
put
more
money
in
and
EPA
doesn't
want
to
ask
for
more
[
14]
money
then
tie.
We
have
to
deal
with
those
[
t
51
consequences.
But
in
the
interest
of
transparency
and
[
i6]
accountability
1
think
that
people
have
a
right
to
know
~
171
that
that
is
what
is
going
on.

Vsl
But,
perhaps,
even
more
importantly
in
my
mind
[
Is]
was
it
was
­
it
just
fundamentally
seemed
so
[
20]
inappropriate
to
me
on
a
year­
to­
year
basis
to
be
judging
1211
sites
relative
to
other
sites.
That
a
site
might
get
on
(
221
the
NPL
and
arbitrary
­
might
get
on
the
NPL
in
one
year
Page
222
[
I]
because
it
was
lucky
enough
not
to
have
other
bad
sites
[
2]
coming
up
at
the
same
time,
but
the
next
year
it
wouldn't
[
3]
because
there
were.

[
41
And
so
in
the
course
of
our
conversations
what
[
s]
appealed
to
me
more
was
that
there
is
a
standard
and
thal
[
s]
if
you
don't
reach
that
standard
of
risk
or
whatever,
you
[
7]
know,
it's
the
State
­
the
State's
are
going
to
have
to
[
a]
suck
it
up
and
figure
out
what
to
do
about
those.
But
if
[
g]
it
does,
it's
a
national
priority
and
everybody
needs
to
[
lo]
know
about
it
and
deal
with
it.

[
ill
And
if
a
new
site
comes
on
that's
worse
than
a
[
12]
site
that's
been
there
for
10
years,
then,
you
know
­

~
131
maybe
not
­
maybe
not
every
site
is
going
to
have
a
~
141
program
manager
right
away,
but
EPA
wilI
have
all
the
~
151
sites
on
the
list
and
look
among
them
and
do
the
[
16]
prioritization
that,
you
know,
Mike
and
some
other
people
[
171
are
talking
about,
and
the
ones
move
forward
that
pose
[
is]
the
greatest
risks.

[
191
That's
how
I
came
to
the
conclusion.
We
did
(
2111
talk
basically
about
your
suggestion.

I211
MR.
LOEHR:
Jim.

VI
MR.
DEROUIN:
Back
a
few
meetings
ago,
one
01.
Page
223
[
i]
the
issues
on
the
table
was
whether
we
were
going
lo
look
[
2]
at
the
HRS
and
the
efficacy
of
continuing
the
28.5
level
[
3]
for
listing,
and
we
went
back
to
the
arguments
of
1980.

[
4]
It
was
a
temporary
thing.
It
got
us
initial
sites.
IIow
[
5]
meaningful
was
it?
So
on
and
so
forth.

Is1
And
I
was
one
of
the
pusher
of
that.
That
came
[
A
off
of
the
table
and
it
was
my
understanding
coming
oul
[
a]
of
Phoenix
and
in
subsequent
work
sessions
that
we
were
[
g]
to
have
a
1.5
that
split
the
difference
between
the
two
io]
options
that
are
set
forth
here
and
with
transparent
t
i]
improvements.
And
as
hard
as
I
look
at
this,
1
do
set
iz]
the
word
improvement
mentioned
once
in
these
seven
pages,

131
but
I
don't
see
a
coherent
discussion
of
the
option
that
41
we
were
to
come
forward
with
coming
out
of
Phoenix
51
One
of
the
things
discussed
was
to
get
risk
s]
based
decision
making
into
the
equation
as
a
means
01
71
advancing
sites
to
the
NPL.
I
Illink
some
of
us
­
Mike
a]
and
Wilma
and
myself
included
­
suggested
that
no
site
91
that
posed
a
real
true
health
threat
should
be
kept
off
!
o]
of
the
NPL.
That's
a
fact
or
an
additional
to
the
cost
!
I]
issue,
which
is
why
I
objected
to
the
way
the
one
finding
!
2]
was
stated
because
it
was
very
lonesome
sitting
there
all
Page
224
[
I]
by
itself
identifjiing
cost
as
the
sole
decision
making
[
2]
item.

[
31
Now
in
this
section
I
don't
see
any
[
4]
recommendations.
What
I
see
on
page
19
is
that
[
s]
additional
efforts
should
be
mddc
lo
explore
the
issue
[
6]
and
that's
pablum
and
that
doesn't
go
anyplace.
And
then
[;
7
on
page
21,
suggestions
for
additional
research,
that's
a
[
a]
Washington
DC
proposal
if
I
ever
saw
one
and
that
is
we
[
g]
couldn't
come
to
a
conclusion
so
­
you
know,
let's
ask
o]
for
additional
studies
to
be
made
of
it.

11
So,
I
guess
two
things
­
two
concluding
2l
thoughts.
Whcre
is
one
1.5?
And
number
two,
to
point
31
this
out,
because,
as
we
point
oul
lalcr
in
the
report
4]
and
I
think
it
was
MikeTilchin's
language,
we
are
never
51
going
to
have
unlimited
funding.
It's
never
going
Lo
be
61
the
case.

71
So,
the
more
that
Ed
and
Gary
get
on
that
list
`[
ia]
in
terms
of
site
for
the
next
29
years,
it's
less
that
[
ig]
New
Bedford
gets.
whatever
it
is
because
the
pit
is
a
[
20]
certain
size
and
that
is
the
numerator,
and
the
nunlbcr
of
[
zi]
sites
is
the
denominator,
and
one
way
or
Lhc
other,
:
I:,

[
22]
Steve
was
saying,
WC
1x1~
to
­
you
know.
it's
crunch
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{
I]
time
to
try
and
figure
out
what
the
solution
is
with
all
(
21
these
competing
considerations.

(
31
But
where
is
1.5?
Did
we
move
away
from
that?

~
41
Did
it
disappear?
Did
some
Subcommittee
agree
not
to
[
5]
include
it?

Fl
MR.
EHRMANN:
No.

(
71
MR.
LOEHR:
You
have
a
comment
on
that
­
you're
[
a]
into
fimding.

PI
MR.
DEROUIN:
As
far
as
the
1.5,
again
that
101
discussion
is
carried
more
in
the
­
back
in
the
B
part
I
11
of
the
document.
I
mean,
it
looks
­
something
might
121
have
gotten
dropped
off
too,
but
there
was
the
numbers
­

131
as
it
#"
es
through
that
there
was
a
number
of
different
141
I.
5
options
that
were,
in
fact,
looked
at
and
considered.

151
MR.
EHRMANN:
Let
me
ask
Elizabeth
just
to
­

161
she
was
working
on
the
draft.

171
MS.
McMANUS:
The
way
I
remember
the
discussions
IS]
in
the
group,
and
I'
11
look
around
so
people
can
help
191
keep
me
honest
here,
is
there
was
an
initial
move
to
say
[
zo]
lhat
looking
in
total
at
all
of
the
recommendations
~
211
emerging
on
Improvements
to
early
screening,
improvements
1221
to
IIRS.
the
idea
of
the
coordinating
committee,
Ed's
RIPS
11
['

['

(
1
$
1
Page
227
[
II
MR.
DEROUIN:
Well,
what
I
would
Iike
to
say
is
~
21
that
I
do
think
there
are
repercussions
if
we
have
~
31
changed
where
we
left
Phoenix,
including
the
discussion
~
4)
of
the
28.5
efficacy
as
the
HRS
standard,
which
is
what
1s)
Mel
brought
up.
So,
I
thiik
to
the
extent
that
we
move
161
off
of
1.5
as
a
defied
objective
to
try
and
modify
that,

171
that
does
push
us
back
toward
other
issues.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Mel.

A
MR.
SKAGGS:
I
think
some
of
my
comments
may
be
a]
a
little
out
of
place.
I
have
been
hanging
in
here
since
rl
the
first
time
period
commented.

21
I
think
that
to
list
on
the
basis
of
28.5
31
without
regard
to
resources
is
disingenuous
to
the
public
41
and
it's
also
a
disregard
of
Congress,
if
you
will.
I
51
mean
they
basically
have
established
the
size
of
the
61
program
they
wanted
and
we
might
talk
them
into
a
little
q
bigger
program
or
they
may
decide
on
their
own
to
do
a]
that.

91
I
beIieve
that
if
the
Superfund
Program
was
$
120
1201
Billion
instead
of
$
1
Billion
every
UST
in
the
country
(
211
would
be
on
­
would
be
scoring
28.5,
we
would
have
an
122~
NPL
of
100,000
sites,
and
haIf
the
State
programs
would
Page
226
Page
226
~
11
prioritization
scheme
­
I
tend
to
call
it
a
scheme.
I'm
~
21
sorry.`
l'hat
taken
in
total
those
would
constitute
1.5.

PI
I
do
think,
Jim,
it's
fair
and
accurate
for
you
~
41
to
say
thcrc
was
some
drift
when
the
work
group
got
back
[
j]
togcthcr
around
this
idea
and
that
drift
­
my
161
observation
is
that
drift
tended
to
drift
people
back
(
11
towards
options
that
were
closer
to
the
two
scenarios
~
81
that
were
presented
in
Phoenix,
you
know,
which
arc
~
91
pretty
cIosc
IO
the
options
that
you
have
here.

[
101
SO,
you
know.
you
have
option
one
that
says
~
1
:
I
don't
do
:
I
national
screen,
list
it
all;
and
that
­
that
[
ITI
will
bc
1.5
because
we've
improved
the
listing
process
so
[
jq
much
that
wc'tl
have
it
be
more
targeted.
Or
you
have
[
ln!
the
other
oplion,
which
says
no,
we
need
a
national
level
[
iq
screen.
but
it
shouldn't
consider
funding.
It
should
be
(
161
looking,
as
Vicky
said,
at
this
sort
of
national
standard
[
I
71
to
rllakc
sure
that
the
right
sites
arc
getting
on
the
list
(
181
:
iI
a11
limes
j19]
So
I
don't
know
il`
that
helps
or
doesn't
help,

~
701
1~
11
that's
my
rccollcction.
I'll
look
around
the
table.

I211
MR.
LOEHR:
Should
we
go
to
Mel
to
get
his
input
(
221
at
this
time?

.­­..­­­
[
II
be
disbanded
because
the
State
programs
fiU
the
sites
[
2]
that
don't
quite
make
it
and
when
a
site
doesn't
quite
[
q
make
it,
it
puts
Ed
and
Gary
and
theirAgencies
in
a
1
(
41
bind,
and
it
puts
the
public
in
a
bind
in
those
[
s]
locations.
But
it's
honest.
At
least
you
know
it's
not
'
[
6]
on
the
list.

I71
And
I
think
we
need
to
acknowledge
that
we
have
[
a]
exactly
the
same
problem
today
that
we
would
have.
We
do
[
g]
have
funding
constraints
today.
We
just
don't
[
lo]
acknowledge
it.

PII
MR.
LOEHR:
Aimee.

I'
21
MS.
HOUGHTON:
I
want
to
get
my
two
cents
in,
no
1131
pun
intended.
On
the
fimding.

1'
41
I
disagree
with
the
fact
that
we
should
not
[
is]
point
out
lo
Congress
that
there
is
a
severe
funding
[
i6)
shortfall.
And
I'm
going
to
use
`
an
analogy
of
another
1171
cleanup
program
where
there
is
a
severe
funding
shortfall
[
i
a]
and
lhat
has
many
more
sites
than
the
Superfund
site.

[
191
And
that's
a
DOD
program,
a
former
Lees
Defense
site.

(
201
It's
got
6,000
sites
and
3,000
­
well,
it
doesn't
have
I[
211
any
adequate
funding
for
it
­­
1,000
of
them
fall
another
I
.'
[
zz]
cdtc~
ory
whcrc
there
is
even
less
funding.

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229
[
II
And
the
reason
it's
been
such
an
orphan
program
[
2]
is
because
Congress
really
didn't
know
about
it.
DOD
has
~
31
never
asked
for
the
appropriate
amount
of
funding
to
deal
141
with
the
problem.
To
some
degree
they
have
never
even
[
q
known
the
scope
of
the
problem.
And
it's
just
now,
after
(
61
years
of
making
this
an
issue
and
literally
having
to
do
[
7]
it,
you
know,
person­
by­
person,
that
they're
beginning
­

[
a]
that
Congress
is
beginning
to
understand
that
they
have
a
191
role
to
play
in
this.
They
didn't
understand
they
had
a
[
lo]
role
to
play
in
this
before
because
they
didn't
[
I
I]
understand
the
magnitude
of
the
problem.

1121
One
of
the
reasons
that
they've
begun
to
~
131
understand
the
magnitude
of
the
problem
is
this
report
(
141
that
Kate
mentioned
earlier
today,
which
in
the
annual
[
IFS]
report
to
Congress
lists
out
the
funding
levels,
the
cost
(
161
to
complete,
and
based
on
that
cost
to
complete
and
based
[
17]
on
the
appropriations
that
they
program
0~
1,
it
gives
you
[
ISI
a
year
that
that
completion
will
take
place.
And
in
most
[
I91
cases,
it's
like
20/
48,20/
75.

VOI
And
the
reason
that
I
bring
this
up
is
because
I
~
211
don't
think
that
we
can
duck
the
issue
of
funding.
I
~
221
think
we
have
to
look
at
every
other
­
all
the
options
Page
230
111
on
the
table,
but
I
think
we
would
be
remiss
in
not
~
21
calling
the
question
and
saying
this
is
a
problem
because
~
31
Congress
­
whether
or
not,
you
know,
that
gets
­
it
[
4]
gets
back
to
the
politics
that
Dolores
was
talking
about.

PI
IJnless
the
information
is
being
presented
to
[
6]
them,
unless
there
is
some
sort
of
accountability
~
71
required,
they've
got
a
million
other
things
that
they
[
a]
can
focus
their
attention
on.
But
I
do
think
that,
you
[
q
know,
the
Hill
is
well
aware
that
this
committee
is
[
I
o]
engaged
in
this
debate,
they
will
look
for
this
report
[
III
when
it
comes
out,
and
I
think
that
we
would
be
­
we
(
121
would
sort
of
advocate
some
of
our
responsibility
if
we
(
131
didn't
lay
that
out
very
clearly.

1141
MR.
EHRMANN:
Let
me
just
make
one
observation
[
ISI
­
and
I'm
not
saying
this
to
put
out
a
trial
balloon
to
[
jq
see
if
people
agree
with
both
parts
of
what
I'm
going
to
(
171
say.
But
you
could
­
it
would
not
be
inconsistent
to
jra]
have
a
recommendation
that
says
we
think
this
progrdm
[
jg]
needs
more
money
and
make
a
recommendation
that
says
we
[
PO)
think
costs
ought
to
be
a
factor
in
making
these
[
211
decisions.

P21
You
can
say
both
those
things
and
not
be
self
.~.
~.
~~­..­­.___
~­

Page
231
[
I]
­
I'm
not
saying
you're
ready
to
or
you
want
to
or
~
21
there's
a
consensus
on
that
or
anything
else.
But
they
131
are
­
those
two
issues
can
sit
side­
by­
side
and
be
141
consistent.

PI
So
I
think
­
you
know,
as
we
get
­
as
we
weave
[
s]
this
web
a
little
more
as
we
go
through
these
other
[
7]
sections
­
I
mean,
this
is
obviously
a
very
core
issue
[
a]
for
this
report
for
the
Subcommittee
and
that's
why
we're
[
g]
­
you
know,
it's
worth
spending
the
time
on
it
now
IO]
because
it's
going
to
echo
through
other
things
that
we
I
11
have
on
our
list
up
here.

121
But
I
think
­
1
would
just
encourage
everybody
131
to
think
about
the
various
strands
of
this
pretty
141
carefully.
And
clearly
WC
have
different
views
on
either
151
strand
that
I
just
said.
So,
I'm
not
­
again,
I'm
not
IS]
trying
to,
you
know,
float
a
trial
balloon,
but
I
just
171
point
that
out
in
terms
of
the
threat
of
this
discussion.

181
MR.
LOEHR:
MikeTilchin.

191
MR.
TILCHIN:
At
the
risk
of
great
controversy,

201
I
would
actually
like
to
make
a
comment
on
page
ten.

!
I]
MR.
EHRMANN:
You're
outside
the
bracket,
I'm
z21
sorry.

Page
232
[
II
MR.
TILCHIN:
When
WC
start
with
the
key
[
21
fiidings
that
section
at
the
top
of
ten,
I
think
that
[
31
that
immediately
starts
this
section
down
on
this
'
41
fleeting
path,
in
that
it
talks
about
­
and
we
never
.5]
really
get
off
that
path.
And
it
talks
about
the
problem
61
with
national
level
prioritization,
is
that
it
dOWS
you
.
A
to
introduce
funding
as
a
listing
criteria.

81
And
then
if
you
move
over
to
the
two
options
on
:
g]
page
12,
I
think
that
issue
­
that's
still
a
confusing
o]
point
here
and
that
is
­
you
know,
you
could
break
the
11
world
down
into
national
level
review
or
no­
national
21
level
review.
You
could
break
the
options
down
inlo
cost
31
should
be
a
consideration
for
listing,
cost
should
not
bc
41
consideration
for
listing.
But
those
are
not
absolutely
51
the
same.
The
percentages,
though,
are
the
same
and
61
that's
incorrect.

71
So,
I
think
we
just
need
to
­
that
needs
to
be
a]
straightened
out.

91
Nso
just
thinking
about
the
dialogue
that
we've
`
01
had,
somewhere
in
the
discussion
there
­
I
don't
`
11
remember
who
said
it
and
it
was
almost
just
in
the
court
'
21
of
conversation.
Someone
talked
about
cost
being
a
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233
:
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235
[
II
primary
factor
in
listing.
I
don't
think
there's
anyone
111
were
talking,
where
we
came
to
in
trying
to
figure
out
[
z]
at
UK
table
that
thinks
that.
But
somehow
that,
sort
(
21
what
our
guidance
was
from
the
Subcommittee,
was
that
we
131
of,
has
seeped
its
way
into
the
discussion.
So,
people
[
3]
didn't
hear
­

141
ought
to
be
mindful
of
­
you
know.
(
41
I
mean,
we
called
­
I
called
the
question;
John
[
51
Harry
said
do
I
go
Iike
this
and
I
think
mosl
[
sl
called
the
question
three
times
­
whether
anybody
161
people
feet
like
no,
you
shouldn't
do
that.
Hut
there
is
(
61
supported
a
scenario
­
I
think
you
guys
flipped
them
­

171
­
yeah,
there
is
­
yeah.
Therc's
a
­
you
know,
[
7]
I
think
one
and
two.
[
a]
there's
a
lot
of
room
to
discuss
the
issue
of
resource
WI
But
the
scenario
where
EPA
would
select
sites
191
availability
and
listing
without
talking
about
it
in
[
g]
based
upon
how
much
they
cost
and
how
much
funding
was
(
IO]
terms
of
being
the
primary
issue.
[
IO]
avaiIabIe.
And
nobody
spoke
out
in
favor
of
that.

[
I
11
Backing
up
to
page
11,
it's
an
HRS
related
[
I
II
I
Iowevcr,
several
people
spoke
out
against
the
other
[
jzl
comment
and
that
is
that
whatever
WC
have
to
say
about
[
IZI
scenario
that
the
role
of
the
Federal
Government
would
be
1131
the
IIRS
and
beeling
it
up
I
don't
want
us
to
lose
sight
[
IL+]
limited
to
some
kind
of
quality
controLAnd
we
didn't
1141
over
the
fact
that
there's
a
real
advantage
to
the
HRS
~
41
define
that
and
I
think
it
means
different
things
for
[?
s]
being
an
expedited
process
that's
fairly
inexpensive.
[
15]
different
people.

1161
That
is
an
advantage
and
whalever
we
have
to
say
about
I'
61
Hut
certainly
people
were
not
­
I
would
say,
at
(
171
that
process,
about
beefing
it
up,
make
it
more
rigorous,
1171
least
four
or
five
people
spoke
up
at
the
last
meeting
[
rq
needs
lo
keep
that
in
mind.
,
IIE]
and
said
they're
just
not
comfortable
with
that.
They
1191
And
then
back
on
page
10
we
talk
about
the
HRS
1191
want
some
kind
of
national
prospective,
professional
[
zoj
no1
being
­
not
being
a
risk
asscssmcnt
and
it
combines
[
ZOI
judgment
to
be
brought
to
those
decisions.
And
so
that
­
(
211
quantitative
data
and
professional
judgment.
Well,
so
do
(
211
­
that
was
what
WC
took
away
from
that
meeting
in
terms
[
z]
risk
assessments,
so
don't
lose
sight
of
that
issue
[
ZZI
of
the
­
you
know,
the
1.5
­
if'
you've
got
one
saying
Page
234
i
I
Page
236
[
II
either.

PI
And
finally
on
page
11
under
the
summary
of
131
recommendations
and
rationale,
we
talk
aboul
the
­
you
[
4]
know,
make
cvcry
effort
to
look
for
other
programs
that
(
51
will
cleanup
sites
quickly.
Well,
Superfund
doesn't
[
6l
clean
them
up
quickly
cithcr.
So
that
word
is
really
­

[
7]
if
that
word
is
a
problem
I'm
sure
we
can
fix
that.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Vicky
PI
MS.
PETERS:
I
want
to
get
back
to
the
nasty
[
IO;
issue
and
help
Elizabelh
out
in
explaining,
you
know,

[
i
I]
whcrc
we
are
and
how
we
got
there.
And
it's
too
bad
that
[
ITI
(
Zatherinc
isn't
hcrc
because
she
underwent
the
most
brain
!`
3]
damage
on
this
one.

1141
l',
ut
as
Mike
said,
the
issues
as
­­
you
know,
the
[
is;
work
group,
which
I
missed
in
Dallas.
took
their
best
(
161
shot
a~
kind
of
framing
some
big
issues
and
they
did
lump
[
I
:
I
SOIW
things,
you
know,
togcthcr
and
they
left
some
things
[
la]
OLIl
1191
But
they
­
I
think
what's
written
up
here
is
[
XI]
kind
ol'a
chronology
of
the
thinking
of
the
group,
and
1211
that
is
rhc
lumping
the
national
screen
with
the
funding
jz]
as
onc.
And
my
understanding
and
the
work
group
as
we
111
money
is
not
a
factor/
money
is
a
factor,
there
really
14
isn't
anything
in
between
that,
you
know.
If
it's
more
131
than
not
a
factor
it's
a
factor
and
you're
into
the
other
~
41
scenario
that
was
rejected.

151
And
so
the
solution
that
we
came
up
with
­
and
161
I
think
you're
probably
right,
Jim,
that
it's
not
weII
[
7]
represented
here.
But
we
haven't
even
talked
about
HRS.

[
a]
You
know,
my
paper
now
­
you
have
it
­
but
certainly
191
part
of
that
is
­
and
I
recognize,
Mike,
you're
right,

[
IO]
Ihat
there's
a
balance
in
making
it
quick
and
simple
and
1111
cheap.

,
I121
Maybe
the
Subcommittee
won't
adopt
the
~
131
recommendation,
but
the
recommendation
that
we're
(
141
bloating
is
that
there
is
more
of
a
rigorous
review
of
[
IS]
the
IIRS
and
that
the
PRPs
are
involved
and
the
(
161
communities
are
involved,
so
we
arc
­
you
know,
we're
1171
sure
that
we're
dealing
with
the
high
caliber
[
is]
sites.

(
191
You
know,
based
upon
the
statistics
we've
seen,

(
201
of
die
3,000
GAO
identified
sites,
you
know,
it's
going
(
211
IO
be
:
I
fraction
of
them
that's
going
to
get
through
this
[
zz]
screen
that,
you
know,
Gary
and
Ed
are
talking
about.

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236
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237
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239
Cl1
So,
I
think
maybe
this
is
one,
again,
that
we
[
l]
can
say
increased
authorization
or
increased
[
z]
need
to
do
the
hard
work
and
calling
the
recommendations.
[
2]
appropriations,
then
maybe
we
should
go
down
that
road.

[
3]
We
haven't
really
­
we
haven't
really
spelled
out,
I
131
To
finish
it
off,
I
don't
think
also
that
it
[
4]
think,
in
enough
detail
what
the
early
screening
looks
[
4]
takes
funding
or
reforms.
I
think
that's
a
false
[
s]
like
and
what
the
role
of
the
HRS
screening
is
going
to
[
SJ
dichotomy.
I
think
we
can
come
out
with
reforms
that
[
6]
look
like.
Maybe
we
need
to
do
that
work
before
we
try
[
6]
actually
strengthen
the
program.
Now
strengthen,
of
[
7]
to
solve
the
macro
issue
here.
That
would
be
my
[
7]
course,
is
in
the
eye
of
the
beholder
sometimes.
But
you
[
s]
recommendation.

191
MR.
EHRMANN:
That's
helpful.

[
lOI
MR.
LOEHR:
Grant.

[
111
MR.
COPE:
Just
touching
on
the
funding
issue,

[
iz]
real
quickly.
For
what
it's
worth,
I
guess
I
approached
~
131
this
from
the
prospective
of
if
we
don't
need
to
do
any
1141
damage
­
if
we
don't
need
to
weaken
the
program
we
[
15]
shouldn't.
It's
kind
of
the
medical,
I
think,
you
know,

[
16]
first
thing
do
no
harm.

[
I71
Funding
is
and
always
was
a
part
of
this
[
is]
conversation.
Fisher
clarified
that
at
­
what
was
it
­

[
Is]
the
first
or
second
meeting.
So
that's
always
been
on
[
20]
the
table.
[
a]
don't
need
to
necessarily
say
it's
a
­
you
know,
one
[
9]
thing
or
another.
Either
we
get
more
money
or
we
do
lo]
these
reforms.
We
can
come
up
with
ways
to
improve
it.

`
11
MR.
LOEHR:
Point
of
reality.
We
do
have
­
how
121
many
people
that
wish
to
speak
to
us?

131
MR.
EHRMANN:
Two
at
this
point.

141
MR.
LOEHR:
Two
at
this
particular
point.
So,
I
151
want
to
make
sure
we
give
them
enough
time.
I
see,
and
I
161
have
four
people
still
wishing
to
speak
and
then
we'll
i
71
move
onto
the
public
participation.

181
Let
me
go
to
Ed,
Kate,
Wilma
and
Jim.

191
MR.
EHRMANN:
IMr.
Chairman,
let
me
make
a
[
r]
sometimes
the
conversation
floats
into
a
­
we'll
either
(
21
have
to
clean
them
all
up
at
once
or,
you
know,
we're
[
3]
going
to
clean
them
up
only
one­
by­
one,
little­
by­
little.

141
What
we're
talking
about
now
is
sites
that
arc
[
s]
ready
to
move
forwardAre
they
getting
cleaned
up?

El
FEMALE
VOICE:
Grant,
can
you
move
that
closer
171
to
your
mouth,
please.

[
81
MR.
COPE:
Sites
that
are
ready
to
go.
How's
[
9]
that?

[
101
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah,
real
close.

[
111
MR.
COPE:
So,
if
we're
not
talking
about
[
iz]
cleaning
up
all
the
sites
at
once
­
and
we're
not.

[
13]
We're
talking
about
cleaning
up
those
sites
that
are
1141
moving
through
the
process
that
arc
ready
to
go
that
have
[
is]
communities
or
ecosystems
that
are
being
injured
by
[
i6]
contamination.

[
I71
How
do
we
get
that
funding?
It
seems
to
mc
that
[
IS]
it's
not
a,
you
know,
situation
where
you're
going
to
one
[
ig]
extreme
or
another.
It's
more
what
Kate
has
raised
a
PO]
couple
times,
which
is
if
there
is
a
situation
now
where
p11
we
can
say
funding
is
going
to
solve
a
lot
of
these
(
221
problems
and
we
don't
need
to
weaken
the
program,
but
WC
VI
My
third
point.
The
Superfund
Program
has
been
1221
cleaning
up
sites.
It's
not
that
­
I
feel
that
!
o]
process
suggestion.
Since
we're
not
going
on
the
II]
trolleys
until
7:
00,
I
would
suggest
we
do,
just
as
you
~
21
said,
take
­
do
these
comments;
take
the
public
comments
Page
238
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240
[
i]
since
they
came
at
the
time
it
was
noticed;
and
then
[
z]
spend
a
bit
more
time
on
another
issue
if
we
could
before
~
31
6:
00.

[
41
MR.
LOEHR:
Is
thdt
okay
­

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
We
still
have
an
hour
break.
It's
[
6]
up
to
the
Subcommittee,
but
it's
just
so
we
keep
moving.

[
7]
Because
this
has
been
a
very
important
discussion.
We
[
a]
don't
want
to
cut
this
off,
but
I
would
like
to
see
if
WC
[
s]
could
get
one
more
in
before
we
break.

['
101
MR.
LOEHR:
Okay.
Putnam.

['
`
II
MR.
PUTNAM:
1'
11
be
brief.
Honest.
1
came
out
c:
121
of
Phoenix
looking
for
more
of
a
1.
I
or
1.5
on
my
end.
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131
but
I
­
what
isn't
in
here
that
I
actually
cxpectcd
was
[
14]
in
the
original
charge
they
discuss
is
Supcrfund
the
1151
program
of
last
resort
to
get
a
site
cleaned
up.
I
like
[
i6]
to
calI
it,
you
know,
a
national
sdfcty
net
to
catch
[
17]
them.

[`
aI
And
I
think
the
only
way
to
do
that
is
to,
in
[
IS]
essence,
catch
everything
that
comes
hadc~
llartU'S
way.

[
zo]
So,
if
it
comes
into
hcadcluartcrs
they
need
to
catch
it.

[
ZI]
But
they
need
to
bc
the
last
resort;
they
need
to
bc
the
[
22]
person
at
the
end
of
the
line;
and
doing
anything
less
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[
I]
than
putting
on
the
NIT
doesn't
fi~
llii
that
criteria.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Kate.

PI
MS.
PROBST:
1
would
just
like
to
build
in
what
141
I
think
Jim
andvicky
said,
and
I
don't
know
if
we
have
(
51
time
for
this
this
meeting.
But
when
I
saw
this
there
~
61
was
a
lot
of
process
and
I
guess
I
was
expecting
some
~
71
criteria,
and
I
think
you
mentioned
like
there
were
some
[
a]
things
that
people
thought
if
certain
criteria
were
met
[
9]
it
really
should
go
on
the
NH,.

[
i
01
I
guess
I'm
more
comfortable
­
I
hope
that
at
11
II
some
point
we
can
talk
about,
sort
of,
a
more
positive
or
(
121
you
know,
what
are
the
­
what
is
it
that
warrants
a
site
~
131
going
on
the
l+
deral/
NationaI
priorities
list,
which,
to
~
141
mc,
is
the
fundamental
question
­
as
opposed
to
all
[
ts]
thcsc,
sort
of,
well,
we
could
do
this,
we
could
do
that.

11%
I
don't
­
and
I
don't
think
­
I
wasn't
in
(
171
Phocntx
and
I
wasn't
on
that
work
group,
but
I
heard
some
[
ISI
from
Jim
and
Mel
andvicky,
my
sense
is
there
has
been
[
is)
some
of
that
discussion.
As
a
member
of
the
fill1
~
201
committee,
I
haven't
heard
that
discussion.
I
think
[
zi]
maybe
we
could
take
this
in
a
more
positive
direction
[
zz;
rather
than
WC
don't
want
to
do
this,
we
don't
want
to
do
Page
243
[
II
And
so
I'm
coming
back
to
that
part
of
the
text
[
2]
and
I
like
Kate's
idea
about
what
should
be
a
[
q
characteristic
of
sites
on
the
NPL.
But
what
I'm
141
reacting
to
is
that
being
told,
you
know,
sort
of
go
and
151
look
just
like,
you
know,
in
one
direction,
but
not
all
[
6]
around.

[
71
In
terms
of
­
you
know,
two
months
ago
we
just
[
s]
had
to
make
a
decision
and
I
didn't
have
cost
data.
But
[
g]
I
didn't
want
­
but
I
did
have
a
general
sense
of
how
IO]
much
workload
could
be
handled
and
I
didn't
want
to
set
I
I]
expectations
of
communities
unrealistically
off
by
saying
121
you
all
are
now
on.

`
31
hnd
so
what
I
did,
and
it
wasn't
­
you
know,
it
141
wasn't
alone,
right.
You
make
these
recommendations
151
after
an
office
makes
recommendations
to
you
and
­
and
I
61
with
a
lot
of
help
within
the
Agency
was
try
to
go
for
!
I.

r.

r
[
i
71
the
high
priority
sites,
meaning
those
are
riskiest.
We
[
16]
added
in
those
that
the
enforcement
program
told
us
would
[
I91
help
add
a
site
to
have
it
listed.
And
we
tried
to
keep
`[
zq
a
general
listing
presence
all
around
the
countryAnd
[
ZII
so
we
tried
to,
in
general,
have
some
listing
activity
go
~
221
on
in
lots
of
places,
just
geographically.

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242
/

[
i]
that.

PI
So,
just
a
suggestion.

[
31
MR.
LOEHR:
Thank
you.
Wilma.

PI
MS.
SLJBRA:
I
have
question
of
Barry
and
­
I'm
[
S]
not
trying
lo
pul
him
on
the
spot,
hul
he
has
to
leave
I
16)
know
So
WC
won't
have
him.

\
7;
When
these
sites
that
you
looked
at
and
m&
de
the
[
a]
clcc~
s~~~
s
came
into
headquarters,
were
any
of
them
[
g]
dcfcrrcd
or
sent
back
or
anything?
Secondly,
I
would
[
io]
like
to
understand
a
little
bit
more
about
how
you
made
[
I
I]
thr
decisions
you
made
and
when
you
set
these
sites
aside
[
I?]
and
said
not
this
year,
what
makes
it
different
next
year
ji31
­
if
you
have
enough
money
for
these
sites
and
any
new
[
M]
ones
to
come
in.
will
they
still
drop
out
because
of
the
115;
decisions
you
made
this
year?

[
I61
I'm
just
trying
IO
undrrstand
the
process
you
[
i7]
wcnl
lhrougll.

!`
R
MR.
BREEN:
`
L'hanks,
Wilma.
WC
don't
have
cost
[
ig]
dal;
r.
cvcn
if
WC
wanted
it,
that's
precise.
What
120)
troubled
mc,
coming
back
lo
thr
text,
is
being
told
don't
(?
I]
think
abc>
ut
this
bccausc
as
:
I
decision­
maker
that
just
[
XT]
doesn't
lcct
­..
it
doesn't
feel
realistic.
!
111
And
then
I
looked
at
what
that
came
up
with
and
~
21
it
looked
like
an
amount
that
we
could
manage
in
the
]
a]
program.
And
so
when
I
think
about
what
I
would
do
if
an
[
4]
advisory
committee
said
don't
think
about
cost,
it
would
[
s]
worry
me
that
if
I
came
to
this
in
the
future
I
couldn't
[
6]
make
that
kind
of,
sort
of,
sculpting
judgment
and
I
­

[
7]
and
I
recognized
the
needs.
But
I
just
feel
Iike,
as
a
[
a)
manager,
we
have
Co
be
realistic
too.

PI
And
so
that's
that
dilemma,
that
tension
that
[
IO]
you're
feeling
inside
of
you
right
now.

IllI
MS.
SUBRA:
And
what
happens
to
the
deferred
[
121
sites
rhe
next
time
around?

'[
I31
MR.
BREEN:
We
look
at
them
and
we
see
­
first
1141
of
all,
what
we
think
is
risky
we
always
are
revisiting
1151
and
WC
consider
risk
then
and
we'll
make
judgments
then
~
161
about
whcrc
the
workload
has
gotten
for
sites
that
keep
[
17]
moving
through
and
what
we
can
then
take
in.
And
we'
11
[~
a]
take
this
committee's
advice
and
do
a
count.

1191
I
teed
up
some
thoughts
and
if
you
all
tell
me,

1201
you
know,
hat
­
I
mean,
we
asked
you
for
your
advice
[
zi]
for
a
reason,
right.
So,
it's
not
irrelevant
what
you
[
Z]
say.

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i]
without
taking
advantage
of
the
lessons
that
might
be
(
121
from
here
­
you
know,
from
New
Bedford.
And
I
don't
[
IS]
know
if
I
know
what
those
listings
are,
but
at
least
two
[
14]
concerns
that
I
have
when
we
talk
about
the
costs
are,

[
is]
one,
that
we,
several
times,
hinted
at.
But
we
don't
[
ts]
even
know
what
the
cost
is
when
we
start.

[
ITI
I
mean,
how
do
they
know
what
the
cost
of
New
1181
Bedford's
cleanup
was
when
they
were
listing
the
site.

[
is]
Right?
I
mean,
the
just
incredible
growth
in
cost
came
[
20]
later
and
I
think
that
may
be
true
of
an
awful
lot
of
[
21]
sites.

[=
I
So,
in
a
way,
the
only
costs
we're
talking
about
Page
245
Ill
So
what
I
do
next
time,
you
know,
could
easily
[
al
be
in
a
few
more
months
and
I'll
stiIl
have
to
take
this
[
3]
into
account.
But
­
and
ultimately
after
December
we'll
[
4]
take
that
into
account
too.
I
can't
look
that
far
ahead
[
s]
I'm
afraid.

PI
MS.
SUBRA:
Okay.
Thank
you,
Barry.

m
MR.
BREEN:
You
bet.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Ed
Lorenz.

PI
MR.
LORENZ:
It
is
briefly.
I
kept
thinking
as
[
lo]
we
go
along
through
this,
we're
discussing
the
cost
issue
Page
246
[
I]
knowing
up
front
is,
you
know,
the
specific
[
2]
administrative
costs
we're
going
to
have
to
have
or,
you
131
know,
a
project
manager
and
some
other
things.
I
worry.

141
Unless
we
get
into
the
next
section
of
the
report
on
[
5l
early
screening
and
try
to
improve
that
to
have
a
better
[
s]
idea
of
what
we're
getting
into
when
we
look
at
a
site.

VI
And
then
just
thinking
about
New
Bedford
again,

[
a]
a
second
issue
that
I
think
should
be
discussed
when
we
[
g]
get
into
cost
is
what
is
the
impact
on
the
community
of
[
IO]
delay?
I
mean,
the
one
thing
we
heard
this
morning
when
[
I
I]
we
saw
that
table,
right,
of
the
­
do
we
do
it
in
four
[
12]
years
or
20
some
years.

[
I31
Well,
there's
not
just
the
cost
to
EPA
and
to
[
14]
the
Federal
Treasury
­
I
mean,
it's
being
almost
blind
[
is]
to
just
think
of
it
in
terms
of,
you
know,
reholding
1161
program
funding
steady
because
we
should
be
factoring
in
~
171
also
economic
opportunity
for
a
community
in
delayed
[
is]
redevelopment.

(
191
I
don't
know
how
to
do
that
and
I
don't
want
to
1201
make
this
bigger
than
it
is,
but
I'm
starting
to
think
[
21]
that's
something
that
we
shouldn't
be
­
this
is
a
one­

[
221
sided
deal
of
cost
and
it
shouldn't
b`
c
one­
sided.
One
of
Page
247
[
I]
the
contributions
WC
could
make
is
helping
Barry
think
[
z]
about
how
do
you
bring
this
priority
setting
other
[
3l
consequences.

[
41
MR.
LOEHR:
Jim.

[
51
MR.
DEROUIN:
Another
way
of
phrasing
the
option
IS]
one/
option
two
discussion
in
Phoenix
was
really
the
171
creation
of
false
expectations
by
listing
everything
that
[
a]
gets
28.5.
I
think
we
concluded
that
was
not
good.

PI
Option
two
was
the
limbo
option
and
that
is
that
10)
you
just
chop
off
based
on
cost
arbitrarily.
That's
the
li]
way
I
was
viewing
it
and
those
were
the
words.
INot
121
purgatory,
but
limbo,
you
know.

131
Purgatory,
you
go
there
and
you
get
punished
on
141
a
temporary
basis
­

151
MALE
VOICE:
Well,
we're
­
(
inaudible).

161
MR.
DEROUIN:
Yeah.
Well,
just
­
only
babies
171
who
weren't
baptized
went
to
limbo,
Ed.

181
But
those
were
the
words
that
we
used.
Wilma
191
was
concerned
about
limbo,
as
am
I.
But
I'm
also
!
o]
concerned
about
false
expectations
also,
and
what
I
think
!
i]
­
what
I
view
1.5
as
being
was
elevating
sites
to
the
~
21
list
that
could
legitimately
compete
for
dollars
and
get
Page
248
[
I]
some
dollars.
Not
sit
there.
That's
a
Palsc
[
2]
expectation.
But
compete
for
dollars
based
on
health
[
3]
risks
and
all
of
the
other
issues
that
we
haven't
gotten
[
4]
to
and
that
is
prioritization
prior
to
the
remedial
[
5]
action
plan
ROD
stage.

PI
So,
in
terms
of
narrative
words,
that's
what
I
[
7]
remember
and
whal
I
was
looking
for.
1.1
is,
you
know,

[
a]
kind
of
false
expectations,
but
it
isn't
really
in
the
[
g]
middle
of
a
field.

01
And
what
I
am
concerned
about
is
that
you
guys
I]
do
a
great
job
on
behalf
of
the
State
and
you
deserve
21
accolades
for
doing
it.
But
you
­

31
(
End
tape
three,
side
two.)

41
MR.
DEROUIN:
­
to
the
extent
that
we
can.
['

~
151
Whether
it's
delincd
as
I
.5
or
whatever,
identiQ
the
[
16]
characteristics
of
the
sites
that
should
be
funded
that
[
17]
are
on
the
NPL
assuming
that
every
site
that
gets
up
[
ia]
there
should
get
some
funding
in
short
order.

[
ISI
Then
I
think
we
would
bc
doing
a
scrvicc
to
EPA
[
20]
because
I
just
don't
think
that
the
creation
of
false
[
21]
expectations
is
what
WC
should
be
sending
back
to
WA
[
22]
The
problem
on
both
ends,
WC
got
to
split
them
­

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25
1
MR.
LOEHR:
Two
last
comments
on
this
particular
[
I]
element
of
risk
reduction
under
a
ROD
for
a
partial
point.
Dewling
and
Gary
­
three.
Grant.
Not
that
I
[
z]
cleanup?
We
saw
one
today.
We
went
out
and
saw
that
the
say
three
­
<
irant's
is
the
last
one.
I
just
saw
it.
I31
cleanup
at
that
estuary
­
that
was
not
the
whole
cleanup
So,
let's
take
those
three
and
then
we
do
need
[
4l
at
this
site.
There's
a
lot
more
things
to
be
done.
But
to
move
on.
Dewling.
ISI
this
site
­
if
this
site
were
not
on
the
NPL,
they
MR.
DEWLING:
KeaI
quick.
Jim
keeps
mentioning,
[
6]
wouldn't
have
done
that,
you
know.

you
know,
the
health
risk
and
when
you're
on
the
­
you
r/
l
And
there
are
lot
of
sites
where
if
they
go
on
know.
when
you
go
up
to
28.5
there
is
no
health
risk
[
a]
the
NPL
there
is
going
to
be
a
ROD
done
and
a
significant
assessment.
I
mean,
you
don'
1
have
enough
information
to
[
a]
element
of
risk
reduction
that
doesn't
get
to
the
whole
do
a
health
risk
assessment.
(
lo]
cleanup.
So
­
So
when
you
make
it
up
there,
if
there's
any
[`
II
MR.
LOEHR:
Grant.
issue
that
is
a
health
risk
assessment,
I
think
the
['
a
MR.
COPE:
With
respect
to
whether
this
is
­
Agency
and
the
Slate
take
an
emergency
action
to
get
the
[
ia]
the
issue
of
funding
is
just
a,
kind
of,
spat
between
EPA
people's
water
supply
corrected,
so
you've
already
done
1141
and
the
States,
I
guess
I
approach
it
from
a
different
the
Band­
Aid.

What
it
rcaIly
caIIs
for
is
what
we
called
for
in
the
watershed
wide
sites,
where
the
Agency
and
the
States
have
the
ability
to
do
an
­
you
know,
a
preliminary
RI
to
get
that
type
of`
information
before
it
goes
up
to
that
next
step.
You
know,
maybe
that's
the
1.5
that
you
get
more
information
because
all
the
I151
prospective.
I
think,
no,
in
fact
it's
a
really
serious
[
is]
policy
issue
and
there's
people
ail
across
the
country
­

~
171
communities
all
across
the
country
that
have
got
to
deal
1181
with
this.
And
we
all
here
speak
from
various
[
ia]
prospectives
on
that
one
issue.
So,
I
don't
think
it's
[
zo]
jusl
a
spat
between
the
States
and
EPA,

WI
On
the
issue
of
false
exnectations.
I
like
the
documentation
in
my
experience
shows
a
great
deal
of
Page
250
professional
judgment
as
weII
as
other
pressures
to
put
sitcs
on
the
list.

`[`
here
are
some
data
available,
but
in
many
cases
it's
limitcd.
And
even
today
there
are
sites
that
shoukh'l
be
up
there
and
on
the
list.

MR.
LOEHR:
Gary.

MR.
KING:
Just
two
things.
I%
rst
the
struggles
that
the
work
team
was
having
coming
up
with
this
middle
range.
If
you
look
at
133
and
134,
you
can
see
the
options
we
considered
and
rejected
before
we
reached
the
approach
that
Vicky
described.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
effort
to
do
that
and
I
suggested
a
number
of
holes
and
people
told
me
I
was
­
you
know,
they
weren't
good
ideas.

`
l'his
thing
about
false
cxprctalions,
part
of
the
problem
­
costs
should
be
­
there
should
be
a
conzitleration
of
cost,
but
the
problem
is
how
arc
those
costs
being
considered?
Is
ITPA
­
I;
d
mentioned,
how
do
we
know
at
this
point
what
the
costs
are
going
to
be
for
111
bit
different.
You
have
a
listing
process
that's
[
z]
supposed
to
be
based
on
risk.
Communities
at
risk;

[
31
people
being
exposed;
put
it
on
the
List;
clean
it
up.

I41
`
1'
0
me,
it
seems
like
a
false
­
you're
setting
a
[
q
false
expectation.
If
that's
the
law
­
you've
got
the
ISI
program
to
prove
that
it
works,
but
you're
artificially
~
71
constraining
its
ability
to
meet
that
goal.

PI
Where
I
see
this
breaking
down
with
respect
to
[
aI
costs
specifically,
you
know
stepping
back
and
taking
a
[
IO]
broader
look,
is
cost
entering
in
at
almost
every
single
[
1
I]
layer
from
the
decision
whether
or
not
to
list;
to
what
[
lzj
gets
cleaned
up
once
it's
on
the
list;
to
the
feasibility
[
ia]
study.
To
me
that
­
getting
back
to
my
original
point,

~
14~
you
know,
on
funding,
that's
just
a
weakening
of
the
[
i
51
program.

[
I61
MR.
LOEHR:
Thank
you.
That's
the
beginning
of
[
17l
the
discussion
on
this
and
we'll,
obviously
continue
11
a]
perhaps
in
the
next
two
days
as
WC
keep
coming
back
to
[
ia]
this
and
into
the
future.

PO1
John,
you
mentioned
that
we
have
a
possibility
~
211
of
starting
a
new
session.
I
should
report
that
the
two
~
221
individuals
who
are
interested
in
providing
public
[!
a!
cleanup?
Are
they
looking
at
the
total
potential
costs
[
ml
and
then
adding
them
a11
up
for
sites
and
then
not
12.1
listing
them?

I22
What
about
sites
where
~
OLI
can
do
a
significant
[
zzl
way
you
put
it.
I
mean,
I
actually
look
at
it
a
little
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and
a
break
before
we
get
on
the
rioI
trolley.

1111
All
right,
John,
what
do
you
suggest?

(
121
MR.
EHRMANN:
I'd
say
15
­
let's
take
15
Ii31
minutes
on
early
screening.

1141
MR.
LOEHR:
So
what's
the
deadline
by
which
[
tq
we're
going
to
go?

[
I61
MR.
EHRMANN:
5:
45,
let's
cut
that
off;
take
the
~
171
public
comment;
and
then
we
need
final
logistics
and
[
la]
adjourn.

1191
MR.
LOEHR:
Okay.
So
­

PO1
MR.
EHRMANN:
Early
screening
­
oh,
I'm
sorry.

~
211
Dolores.

1221
MS.
HERRERA:
I
was
going
to
say
I
didn't
­

(
11
MR.
EHRMANN:
It
should
be,
but
­

PI
MS.
HERRERA:
Okay.
I
didn't
know
we
were
going
~
31
to
do
that,
negotiate
the
agenda
and
I've
made
other
141
arrangements.
I've
got
to
go
get
some
stuff
done.
I've
IS]
got
to
make
a
couple
of
phone
calls.
So,
I
was
not
going
[
6]
to
be
available
to
­

VI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Okay.
Well,
two
options.
One
is
LB]
we
don't
start
into
early
screening;
the
other
is
that
we
[
g]
split
the
early
screening
discussion
and
do
15
minutes
[
IO]
for
those
who
are
here
and
pick
it
up
in
the
morning
so
[
II]
you'd
have
an
opportunity
to
comment
on
it
in
the
[
jz]
morning.
Would
that
be
acceptable?

[
I31
MALE
VOICE:
I'd
pick
it
up
in
the
morning.

[
I41
MR.
EHRMANN:
Okay.
Either
way.
I'm
easy.

[
IsI
MALE
VOICE:
We
can
come
15
minutes
earlier
in
1161
the
morning
­

1171
MR.
EHRMANN:
Our
published
starting
time
in
the
[
ia]
morning
is
8:
30.

[
I91
(
Inaudible
conversations.)

WI
MR.
EHRMANN:
West
coast/
east
coast.
It
is
[
21)
late.
I
mean,
I'm
not
­
look,
I'm
just
trying
to
help
[
22)
us
get
through
everything
that
we
have
lo
get
through.
Page
253
[
I]
comment
have
no
problem
of
waiting
for
a
while.
In
fact,

[
2]
they
­
if
I
recall
what
John
told
me
­
might
find
out
131
comments
interesting
and
thereby
have
some
comments
on
[
4]
our
comments,
as
part
of
the
public
comments.

El
So,
the
point
is
that
it
is
okay
for
us
to
[
s]
continue
or
start
­
I
doubt
if
we're
going
to
finish
the
~
1
whole
thing
­
another
topic.
But
let's
set
an
official
[
a]
time
so
that
everybody
knows
when
we
will
have
time
for
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254
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255
[
iI
FEMALE
VOICE:
Can
we
start
at
8:
00?

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Why
don't
we
start
at
­

[
31
FEMALE
VOICE:
Can
we
start
at
8:
00?

[
41
MR.
LOEHR:
Well,
the
problem
is
the
public
is
[
5]
told
that
we're
going
to
start
at
8:
30.
Now
we
can
lildge
[
s]
it
by
8:
15,
but
starting
at
8:
00
is
­
they're
going
to
[
7]
be
signing
in.
If
there
are
no
people
­

Fl
MR.
EHRMANN:
Let's
do
this.
Wc'll
start
at
[
g]
8:
30,
but
I'm
sure
that
Ray
and
I
will
be
able
to
take
o]
our
15
minute
miscellaneous
business
and
turn
it
into
I]
about
30
seconds
and
pick
up
our
15
minutes
right
there.

21
so
­

31
MR.
LOEHR:
We
do
have
some
reports
from
the
41
NACEFT
Council
Committee.

51
MR.
EHRMANN:
Right.
But
I
think
we
can
­
how
61
long
is
that
going
to
be,
do
you
think?

71
FEMALE
VOICE:
You
want
to
do
that
now?

81
MR.
EHRMANN:
We
can
do
that
now?
Can
we
do
91
that
now?

!
O]
FEMALE
VOICE:
You
want
to
do
that
now
­

!
I]
MR.
EHRMANN:
Can
we
do
that
now,
Angelo?
Maybe
P]
Dolores
can
hang
on
for
two
minutes
for
that.

Page
256
(
11
FEMALE
VOICE:
She
may
not
care.

21
MR.
EHRMANN:
So
let
me
just
recap
the
bidding
3)
here.
We're
going
to
have
the
NACEPT
Full
Commiltee
41
report
for
a
couple
minutes;
WC
will
not
move
into
a
new
51
issue;
we'll
take
public
comment
after
Angelo
and
any
61
questions
on
his
report;
and
we'll
still
start
at
8:
30
in
71
the
morning,
but
we'll
be
able
to
get
into
the
subslance
s]
quicker
that
way
by
doing
this
right
now.
Is
that
okay
9)
with
everybody?
Dolores,
is
that
okay
with
you?

01
All
right.
Angelo.

11
MR.
CARASEA:
Wilma
and
I
­
this
is
the
one
ZJ
minute
version.
Wilma
and
I
briefed
the
Council
on
the
31
current
status
as
of
May
­
as
of
May.
That
went
very
41
well.

51
There
were
some
members
of
the
NACEPT
Council
61
that
questioned
whether
the
charge
sl~
ould
lx
expanded
71
Some
of
them
were
­

81
MR.
EHRMANN:
Go
ahead,
Angelo.

[`
Ql
MR.
CARASEA:
I
want
to
say
a
few
­
wouldn't
1201
you
say
a
few
or
some?
I
would
say
about
Ii>
ur
or
live
01
1211
us,
a
group
of
about
this
size,
wcrc
wanting
us
to
[
22]
consider
cost
bcncfit
as
part
of
the
determination,
which
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[
i]
is
a
big
deal.
[`
I
MS.
PROBST:
Who
were
the
new
members?
Can
we
PI
The
resolution
of
that
issue
is
that
Dorothy
[
2]
get
a
list
at
some
­
pi
Dnuers,
the
Chair
of
the
Committee,
will
take
the
issue
PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah,
why
don't
we
share
that
[
4]
to
l&
4,
Mariann
Ren
ko
(
phonetic),
and
raise
that
issue
[
4]
later.
~
51
with
her.
So,
that's
where
that
issue
stands.
,
IsI
MS.
SUBRA:
Right.
We
can
get
you
a
list.

161
11
would
have
been
great
to
have
someone
like
[
61
MR.
EHRMANN:
The
draft
report
­
you
know,
this
[
7]
the
Mayor
speak
to
that
group
about
the
benefits
of
the
[
7]
draft
report
is
sitting
out
there
on
the
table,
so
[
a]
Supcrfund
Program
because
I
think
he
really
caphlred
the
[
a]
­
I
mean,
we
adopted
as
much
of
a
transparent
approach
[
9]
good
lhal
this
program
does.
[
g]
here
as
we
possibly
can
assuming
that
if
this
is
I'
01
`
I`
he
other
main
issue
that
I
want
to
bring
to
the
[
IO]
everywhere
it
will
be
newsworthy
than
if
it
is
nowhere
or
[
I
I]
attention
of
the
group
is
that
in
the
third
week
of
[
i
I]
only
a
few
places,
as
well
as
just
­
I
think
Angelo's
,121
September
Wilma
and
I
will
brief
the
Full
Council
on
the
[
iz]
judgment
is
the
DFO,
that
that's
the
way
the
package
~
13)
­
well,
I
want
to
be
careful
with
Ray
sitting
at
the
end
1131
should
be
implemented
and
we
certainly
support
that.
114)
of
the
table
­
the
current
leanings
of
the
group.
[
I41
So
I
think
the
­
you
know,
the
report
­
the
[
1X
MR.
LOEHR:
That's
right.
No
recommendation.
[
rs]
full
report
­
whatever
we
put
on
the
table
for
the
[
I61
MR.
CARASEA:
No.
I
don't
want
to
use
the
term
[
i6]
September
meeting
as
the
next
draft
certainly
would
be
1171
rccommendation.
And
maybe
Wilma
could
speak
­
this
is
~
171
availablc.
You
may
want
to
take
the
summary
out
of
that,
~
181
to
give
them
the
idea
of
what
­
what
they
need
to
know
`[
re]
whatever
it
looks
like
at
that
point,
for
ease
of
[!
9]
to
make
their
final
decision
to
make
the
report
go
(
191
communication
and
make
sure
that
they
focus
specifically
po)
li,
rward
to
the
Agency.
I'm
not
quite
sure
of
the
process
I201
on
that.
,211
that
the
Pull
Council
does
because
­
and
I'll
let
Wilma
[
211
I
do
think
that
this
issue
of
the
process
­
you
I'
1
I)
ut
we
have
to
rcmembcr
that
this
Committee
will
[
z]
come
to
a
conclusion,
but
that
all
recommendations
are
­

131
all
advice
and
recommendations
of
this
Committee
must
be
pt]
approved
by
the
Council
before
it
goes
to
the
Agency.

!
Sl
MR.
LOEHR:
Wilma
PI
MS.
SUBRA:
WC
had
a
large
number
of
brand
new
171
members
at
Ihe
May
meeting,
so
they
were
very
engaged
and
[
e]
they
were
interested
in
the
Superfimd
issue.
In
[
q
addition.
the
NA(
ZEPT
Council
would
like
to
see
as
much
as
`
101
they
can
see
at
the
September
meeting,
trying
to
be
111
responsive
to
our
needs
to
get
this
process
over
with
by
iz]
the
end
of
December.

1­
v
W'c'vc
given
them
briefings,
but
as
you
know,

14~
this
is
the
first
time
we've
really
had
a
document.
And
151
$
0
II
wc
can
come
up
with
something
that
­
maybe
even
is]
the
l:
xccutivc
Summary
or
the
general
points
of
the
171
rc~
olnmendation,
like
you
pulled
out
­
something
to
give
1
J$
them
subslancc
to
rcarl
ahcacl
of
time
and
be
able
to
191
dialogue
with
them.

201
I
lhink
that's
going
to
go
a
long
way
lo
making
711
lhcrn
able
to
approve
the
project
in
Dcccmbcr.

27j
MR.
EHRMANN:
Kale.

.~
~
221
talk
to
that
issue.

Page
258
[
I]
process
that
the
NACEPT
­
Full
NACEPT
Committee
would
[
z]
not,
you
know,
mess
around
with
your
recommendations
on
131
their
way
to
the
Agency,
and
it
sounds
like
it
may
be
141
appropriate
­
and
maybe
you
can
continue
that
dialogue
[
q
as
well.
Kind
of
the
process
discussion
as
well
as
the
161
substantive.

VI
But
I
would
think
it's
important
for
this
­
on
IS]
behalf
of
this
Subcommittee
that
it
would
be
­
that
[
q
process,
as
Angelo
said,
be
clear,
in
addition
to
IO]
obviously
briefing
them
on
the
substance
which,
as
I
say,

I
I]
I
Chink
there
will
be
a
new
draft
and
they
can
certainly
IZ]
see
that.
Thc
cluestion
is
are
they
going
to
look
at
it
['

[
13]
and
say
well,
I
can't
live
with
this
recommendation
or
(
141
that
onc.`
Thcn
we've
got
­
you
know,
then
we
got
[
I
51
another
kind
of
issue
there.

f1`
4
MS.
SUBRA:
I
think
if
we
take
the
September
1171
draft
and
~
hc
results
of
the
September
meeting
of
this
[
iq
group
and
boil
it
down
to
whatever
form
and
bring
it
to
[
iq
that
group,
if
we
get
feedback
like
well,
why
aren't
you
1
[
zo]
doing
that,
thcrc
will
be
things
we
can
respond
to.
I
!
(
271
So
thcy'rc
not
trying
to
mess
around
with
what
I[
221
we're
doing,
but
they're
trying
to
understand
what
it
is
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know.
we
were,
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think,
told
at
the
beginning
of
this
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[
il
we're
doing
and
engage
­
and
part
of
the
process.

PI
So,
I
think
­
well,
the
reason
we
scheduled
the
[
31
dates
in
September
so
it
would
follow
this
September
141
meeting
with
enough
time.
So,
whatever
we
have
at
that
[
5]
point
as
a
result
of
that
meeting
I
think
is
going
to
IS]
give
them
a
lot
to
think
about
and
look
at
and
make
them
[
7]
more
comfortable
when
they
come
up
to
approving
the
final
(
81
product.

191
MR.
EHRMANN:
That
makes
senseAny
other
[
IO]
comments
on
that?
And
what
are
those
dates?
Do
you
[
I
11
know?

[
la
MR.
CARASEA:
September
­
like
September
22nd.

[
I31
MR.
EHRMANN:
Oh,
it's
late.
Okay.
Well,

(
141
that's
good
because
then
there
will
be
about
two­
and­
a­

~
15)
half
weeks
after
our
meeting.

[
I61
MS.
SUBRA:
Yeah.
hnd
we
pushed
it
to
that
117)
point
because
­

114
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah.
Okay.

[
IQ1
MR.
LOEHR:
Okay.
Well,
we
have
that
report
and
[
zo]
we'll
be
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
help
smooth
the
[
ZII
thing
through
the
system.

WI
MS.
SUBRA:
And
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
[
I]
up
the
microphone
Sandra.
And
you're
with
the
Rocky
[
2]
Moun,.
ain
Arsenal
Site
Specific
Advisory
Board
out
of
~
31
Denver?

141
MS.
JAKEWITH:
Yes,
sir.
Sandra
Jakewith
[
sl
(
phonetic).

Fl
MR.
LOEHR:
Oh,
that's
the
way
it
says
here.

171
Right.
Jakewith.
Thank
you
very
much.

PI
MS.
JAKEWITH:
And
I'm
impressed
you
could
read
[
Q]
my
handwriting.
So,
it's
a
good
beginning.

UOI
MR.
LOEHR:
No,
you
did
fine.

[
I'
1
MS.
JAKEWITH:
Okay.&
I
said,
I'm
Sandra
[
izl
Jakewith
from
Denver,
Colorado.
1
serve
on
the
Site
1131
Specific
Advisory
Board,
which
is
a
citizen
advisory
~
141
board
with
Rocky
Mountain
Arsenal.
I
am
a
past
co­
chair
(
151
of
the
Rocky
Mountain
Arsenal
Restoration
Advisory
Hoard
[
iq
and
I
also
served
­
that's,
of
course,
a
Federal
[
17]
facility,
but
a
Superfund
site
and
on
the
NPL
list.
I
i
[
is]
also
serve
on
theicitizen
advisory
group
ol
the
Shaddick
[
IQ]
Supcrfund
site
in'
Denver.
So,
I
work
with
both
a
Federal
[
zo]
facility
and
with
B
non­
Federal
facility
Superfund
site.

Pll
I've
been
invoivcd
in
monitoring
cleanup
of
122)
hazardous
waste
as
a
citizen
since
1986,
which
means
I'm
Page
262
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264
[
I]
too,
is
to
give
them
enough
information
without
flooding
[
I]
going
now
on
about
20
years,
and
this
is
certainly
not
[
2]
them,
but
not
telling
them
you
get
to
say
whatever
you
[
z]
what
I
expected
to
be
doing
for
20
years
of
my
life.
But
[
31
want
and
this
Subcommittee
is
going
to
do
all
your
[
ZI]
for
those
of
you
who
have
been
involved
in
this,
you
know
141
recommendations.
It's
trying
to
just
engage
them
and
14~
that
these
are
long
term
projects
and
the
importance
of
[
5]
inform
them.
~
[
5l
public
participation
and
public
monitoring,
I
just
can't
161
MR.
LOEHR:
Right.
That's
good.
And
that's
[
6l
emphasize
thal
enough.
[
q
appropriate.
171
In
every
site
that
1
have
been
aware
of
and
with
PI
So,
therefore,
we
are
moving
to
the
public
[
al
alI
the
many
people
I
have
met
at
National
conferences
[
Q]
comment
session
and
my
understanding
is
we
have
two
[
Ql
around
the
country,
cleanup
at
all
these
different
sites
[
lo]
individuals
who
wish
to
make
public
comments
to
us.
[
IO]
has
been
improved
and
I
think
­
it
has
been
improved
by
1111
The
procedure
is
that
we
ask
the
individual
to
[
I
I]
public
participation
and
public
participation
has
been
[
IZ]
come
to
the
microphone,
which
WC
think
works
­
right?
(
121
shown
to
be
essential.

~
131
And
to
state
their
name,
affiiation,
anything
they
want
['
31
And
so
I
would
like
to
address
public
(
141
us
to
know
about
their
background;
context
and
the
[
14l
participation
as
one
of
my
issues
today.
I'm
very
glad
[
I
51
comments
as
they
would
like
to
have
us
­
if
you
have
($
51
to
see
that
you've
included
that
issue
in
the
report
11~
1
[
16]
anything
written,
that's
certainly
very
appropriate
to
[
161
you're
making.

[
17]
leave
with
us,
but
I
take
it
­
I
don't
know
who
the
(
171
A
couple
things
that
I
would
like
to
bring
to
[
is]
individuals
are,
but
you
have
been
with
us,
I
think,
most
[
re]
your
attention
as
part
of'
this.
One
is
that
on
your
pq
of
the
day,
so
you've
got
a
sense
of
what
we're
doing
and
[
IQ]
draft
document,
page
seven,
wherr
you
talk
;
tbout
(
201
how
we're
trying
to
approach
it.
[
zo]
community
involvement.
In
the
middle
of
that
paragraph
WI
The
list
I
have
is
Sandra
and,
if
you
could
help
pi]
it
talks
about
community
members
­
giving
them
:
I
[
z]
me
pronounce
your
last
name
so
I
don't
screw
it
up.
Come
~
221
mechanism
to
provide
input.
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l
And
one
of
the
points
I
wanted
to
make
is
that
~
21
community
involvement
is
far
more
than
simply
input
into
131
the
process.
<;
ood
public
participation
includes
a
given
~
41
and
take
and
a
dialogue
that
goes
on
between
the
~
51
community,
the
citizens
who
are
involved
and
the
many
[
61
different
actors,
whether
they
be
PRPs
or
regulators.

~
71
Any
part
of
this
dialogue
is
improved
by
direct
dialogue
181
throughout
this
process.

KY
There's
rcscarch
to
show
that
money
is
actually
[
to]
saved
in
cleanups
by
good
public
participation
throughout
[
III
the
process.
So,
I
would
ask
that
you
take
out
the
word
[~
ZI
input
and
use
public
participation
or
public
involvement
[
i31
in
its
most
generic
sense
withoul
limiting
it
to
simply
(
141
something
like
a
comment
period,
which
is
what
many
of
[
is]
thcsc
processes
are
set
up
as.

I'
61
And
in
regard
to
that
spectiic
issue,
one
of
the
[
171
­
there
is
a
paradigm
shift
that
has
occurred
in
public
[<
a]
participation
in
very
positive
ways
for
all
members
of
1191
thcsc
dialogues,
and
the
one
that
I
am
most
familiar
with
[
zo]
and
that
I
think
has
had
the
most
successful
review
by
(
211
all
parties
is
the
AQrJA,
which
I
believe
is
AQUA,

(
221
dialogue,
which
took
place
regarding
chemical
weapon
~~
~~~.
__­­
'
[
II
costs
to
rise
for
everybody
down
the
line.

PI
One
of
the
issues
that
came
up
with
that,
and
I
13)
don't
know
that
you're
going
into
this
much
detail
in
[
4]
your
report
on
public
participation,
but
I
think
is
a
[
5~
really
essential
issue
regarding
EPA,
is
that
al
Shaddick
[
s]
when
Senator
Allard's
(
phonetic)
staff
went
to
look
at
(
71
the
administrative
records
so
that
they
could
get
an
idea
[
s]
of
what
was
going
on
when
the
citizens
raised
the
issue,

[
gl
they
were
told
they
couldn't
see
almost
half
of
the
[
IO]
administrative
record
because
it
had
been
marked
[
I
11
privileged
or
confidential.

LIZI
And
in
a
Denver
Post
newspaper
article
on
the
pa]
topic,
a
very
good
article
by
Mark
Geddy
(
phonetic),
one
1141
of
the
regional
attorneys
for
EPA
was
quoted
as
saying
1151
it's
standard
practice
in
EPA
to
mark
everything
[
IIT]
confidential
or
privileged
until
somebody
asks
to
look
[
17]
for
it
or
asks
to
get
copies
of
it,
and
then
they'll
(
181
decide
whether
or
not
it's
actually
confidential
or
[
19]
priviIeged.

WI
One
of
the
problems
with
that
is
that
the
index
+
I]
was
also
marked
privileged,
so
you
couldn't
get
the
index
[
zz]
to
look
for
the
documents
either.
Page
267
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266
/

[
I]
incineration,
m
csscnce.

PI
II`
S
;
I
process
that
is
well
documented.
There's
~
31
lots
written
on
it.`
I'he
Keystone
Center
was
involved
in
141
it.
(
Craig
Williams
was
involved
in
it.
They
have
151
information
written
on
this.
I
will
ask
them
all
to
~
6)
provide
written
comment
and
outlines
to
you
of
their
[
71
process.

PI
But
from
what
I
understand,
you
know,
the
Army
(
91
participants,
the
regulators
and
the
citizen
participants
(
rol
wcrc
all
very
happy
with
this
process
and
it's
a
process
[
I
11
that
gets
everybody
on
board
by
the
time
these
decisions
[
jzj
arc
made.
Money
is
spent
at
all
of
these
sites
fixing
1131
problems
that
coulrl
have
been
avoided
if
we
had
had
(,.+
1
public
participation
from
the
very
beginning.

[
l?
And
Shaddick
SuperfLlnd
site
is
one
sr~
ch
site
[
IS]
whcrc
the
rcmcdy
was
actually
overturned
because
the
EPA
[
j
71
Li~
llowed
an
illegal
process
rcgdrding
their
public
[
ia]
participation
and
the
decisions
that
were
made
in
that
[
I91
clcanup.
And
that
site
has
gone
from
being
paid
for
by
po]
<
Xti
(;
roup
to
being
paid
for
by
Citi
Group
and
the
[
21]
Supc.
rfuncl
silc.
And
[
here's
a
really
cxcellcnt
cxamplc
l22j
0L`
how
not
doing
this
correctly
to
begin
with
causes
Ill
So
that
type
of
difficulty
in
the
transparency
(
21
of
a
public
participation
process,
I
believe,
is
rampant
13)
throughout
the
system
and
those
issues
really
need
to
be
:
[
41
specifically
looked
at,
if
not
as
part
of
your
report
151
then
perhaps
as
another
public
dialogue
and
committee
[
6]
report.

[
71
One
of
the
other
issues
that
came
to
my
IS]
attention
the
very
early
part
of
your
draft
and
that
you
[
9]
all
have
been
discussing
for
the
last
few
minutes,
is
the
~
101
issue
of
funding
and
I'm
sorry
that
I
don't
know
all
of
[
I
11
your
names,
but
the
gentleman
over
here
on
my
left
was
1121
talking
about
the
false
constraints
that
these
budget
[
131
discussions
impose
upon
this
process.
And
that's
even
(
141
more
true
in
the
Federal
facilities
process
where
there
[
I
51
is
a
specific
budget
that
is
allocated
by
the
Pentagon
1[
161
for
cleanup
of
defense
sites.

I171
The
availability
of
money
has
nothing
to
do
with
[
18]
the
amount
of
harm
that
communities
are
being
exposed
to
[
ig]
And
the
idea
that
WC
should
talk
about
prioritizing
how
[
zo]
we
clean
things
up,
rather
than
talking
about
demanding
@
I
more
money
fhr
the
cleanup
process,
truly
astounds
me.
I
i
[
zz]
understand
the
prioritization
is
a
reality
and
as
part
of
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[
i]
a
cost
benefit
analysis,
but
I
was
amazed
that
at
least
121
so
far
in
what
I've
read
I
haven't
seen
in
your
report
a
131
demand
that
there
be
more
money
put
into
the
cleanup
and
[
4]
Superfund
process.

151
Tied
into
that
concept
­
I
haven't
gone
into
ls]
this
in
great
depth,
but
one
of
the
things
that
came
to
[
fl
my
mind
as
I
read
through
the
outline
of
your
issues
is
[
a]
the
whole
idea
of
prioritizing
hot
spots
at
sites
and
la]
cleaning
them
up,
which
I
understand
is
both
a
reality
in
lro]
terms
of
harmful
effects
in
the
community
and
as
a
11
i]
reality
in
terms
of
money
allocation.

1121
But
the
idea
of
taking
a
site,
like
the
Rocky
[
is]
Mountain
Arsenal,
which
has
181
different
sites
of
[
14]
cleanup,
some
of
those
far
more
contaminated
than
others,

[
ISI
and
cleaning
up
only
the
hot
spots
simply
to
leave
the
1161
medium
range
and
low
range
contamination
in
the
1171
community,
I
End
discomforting
if
not
appalling.

(
181
But
understanding
the
reality
of
that,
one
of
1191
the
things
I
would
ask
you
to
look
at
as
you
discuss
1201
these
issues
is
your
performance
measurements
and
how
~
211
those
dovetail
into
that
sort
of
a
reality.
In
other
~
221
words,
I
don't
think
that
anybody,
whether
it
bc
EPA
or
[
I]
effect
as
well.
But
I
think
that's
one
of
the
issues
[
z]
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
in
terms
of
overall
cleanup
[
3]
program.

[
41
Number
two
is
long
term
institutional
controls,

[
s]
particularly
focusing
on
the
Department
of
Interior
and
[
s]
the
funding
that
the
Department
of
Interior
does
not
[
7]
have,
in
my
opinion.
They're
being
asked
across
this
~
[
s]
country
­
Rocky
MoUntdin
Arsenal
being
one
of
the
firs1
[
D]
­
to
manage
wildlife
refuge
and
wildlife
preservesAnd
[
IO]
wildlife
refuges
and
preserves
are
being
used
as
a
way
01
[
1
II
end
use
that
minimizes
the
amount
of
cleanup
that
you
[
IZ]
have
to
do.

(
131
Rocky
Mountain
Arsenal,
we
have
a
$
2
Billion
[
14]
cleanup
that's
really
a
cap
and
cover.
If
we
had
1151
actually
cleaned
anything
up,
it
probably
would
have
been
[
16]
$
20
BiIlionAnd
what
that
assumes
and
what
tlial
!
[
17]
requires
is
that
over
the
next
hundreds
of
years
that
you
~
[
IS]
actually
manage
a
wildlife
refuge
is
that
those
caps
and
[
ia]
covers
be
kept
intact.

WI
The
Department
of
Interior
has
taken
all
of
[
21]
those
on.
Rocky
Flats
in
Denver
being
another
one
01
~
221
these.
And
my
understanding
is
their
funding
is
so
low
Page
270
/
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272
[
I]
the
Army
or
PRP
should
get
full
credit
for
cleanup
when
(
21
they've
done
a
partial
hot
spot
cleanup
and
left
the
rest
[
s]
of
the
contamination
in
place,
deferred
it
for
another
141
time.

El
There
needs
to
be
something
in
the
measurements
ls]
that
encourages
everybody
to
continue
to
keep
an
eye
on
[
7]
that
middle
range
and
low
range
contamination,
return
to
[
a]
it
and
actually
finalize
the
cleanup
of
these
sites.

PI
And
if
you
ail
knew
me
personally,
you
would
[
lo]
know
that
I
really
could
carry
on
this
dialogue
for
about
11
I]
four
hours.
So,
I
try
to
identify
several
key
issues
112)
that
I
want
to
bring
to
your
attention
and
would
ask
your
[
13]
indulgence
to
also
make
public
comments
tomorrow
after
~
141
I've
heard
some
more
of
your
dialogue
tomorrow.

[
I51
But
one
of
the
things
that
occurred
to
me
in
[
is]
looking
at
this
is
I
think
there's
potential
for
several
(
171
more
committee
reports
or
national
dialogues
that
are
]
js]
really
tangential
and
essential
to
this
discussion.
One
[,
D]
is
on
the
whole
issue
of
Federal
facilities
because
1201
Federdl
facilities
are
often
listed
as
NPL
sites
and
at
~
211
least
on
some
of
them,
depending
on
the
private
versus
,
a~]
military
aspect
of
it,
Superfund
monies
can
come
into
[
i]
they
don't
know
how
they're
going
to
bc
able
to
manage
~
[
2]
these
sites,
So
this
issue,
in
terms
of
your
funding
and
~
[
3]
cleanup,
is
essential.

[
41
And
another
is
innovative
technologies
and
[
s]
public
support
and
acceptance
of
some
of
those
innovative
[
6]
technologies.
They'rc,
hopefully,
new
and
better
ways
to
[
7]
cleanup
and
to
do
that
in
a
more
cost
effective
manner
[
a]
and
I
think
this
sort
of
a
dialogue
might
be
very
[
a]
beneficial
in
addressing
some
of
those
issues.

1101
Let
me
look
through
my
notes
one
moment.
The
[
II]
issue
of
health
assessment
is
another
major
issue
that
1
[
12]
think
Doris
is
going
to
speak
to,
so
1
won't
say
anything
[
13)
at
this
point.
But
the
use
ofATSDR
in
this
process
has
[
14]
been
­
from
everything
that
I
have
heard
across
the
(
151
country,
it
has
been
an
absolute
failure.
I
don't
think
[
16]
I've
ever
talked
to
anyone
who
has
been
saCsEed
with
[
i7]
the
participation
of
ATSDR
or
any
of
their
health
(
ia]
assessments
in
these
processes,
and
it
was
a
good
idea
[
ia]
that
Congress
had
it.

PO1
1
don't
think
it's
being
carried
out
well
and
I
[
21]
don't
know
the
scope
of
these
sorts
of
dialogues,
but
[
22]
that
may
be
another
place
of
review
and
investigation
as
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[
I]
the
whole
A'I`
SDR
and
health
assessment
problem
in
this
[
z]
country
related
to
cleanups.

[
31
`[`
hank
you
very
much
for
your
time
today.

I41
MR.
LOEHR:
`
I'hank
you
very
much,
Sandra.
We
[
s]
appreciate
il.

161
We
do
offer
the
opportunity
for
the
members
of
171
the
Subcommittee
to
comment
or
a
little
dialogue
with
~
81
whoever
provides
us
with
public
comment,
but
given
that
~
91
Sandra's
segway
into
­
I
mean
­
yeah.
Sandra's
segway
(
II)!
into
Doris,
perhaps
we
should
listen
to
Doris
fust
and
[
III
then,
if
we
have
time
and
you
wish,
there
can
be
some
[
12]
discussion
back
and
forth.
Or
we
can
do
it
after
the
[
I
31
session
is
over
with.

[
I41
But
the
second
person
who
has
asked
for
[+
s)
commentary
is
Doris
Bradshaw
from
Memphis,
Tennessee.

1161
Doris,
thank
you
for
being
with
us
and,
again,
if
you
[
171
would
give
us
a
little
background
and
where
you're
from,

[
18]
besides
Memphis.
Tenncssce,
and
your
comments,
we
would
1191
greatly
appreciate
it.

WI
MS.
BRADSHAW:
My
name
is
Doris
Bradshaw.
I'm
[
21]
the
President
of
the
Defense
Depot
called
Memphis,

[
ZZI
`
l'cnncssee
Concerned
Citizens
Committee.
I'm
also
the
­

Page
275
[
I]
been
exposed
to
and
they
need
medical
help.
Doctors
that
[
2I
have
been
trained
in
Environmental
Medicine
so
they
can
[
3]
tredt
these
people.

[
41
I
live
in
a
community
with
a
site
that's
640
[
sl
acres.
The
frost
house
is
15
feet
from
the
site
itself.

161
And
this
is
a
Federal
facility.
Sandra
hit
on
it.
But
I
[
7I
live
that
close
to
a
place
where
they
have
chemical
(
81
weapons
and
everything
else
that
you
want
to
think
of
[
q
that
went
out
to
the
soldier
on
a
battlefield.

[
lOI
For
50
years
our
community
has
been
there
and
[
III
some
people
were
there
before
the
place
was
ever
built.

~
1121
Now
the
people
are
sick
and
dying.
Children
are
coming
lt31
down
with
different
types
of
disease.
Superfund
don't
[
14I
even
dampen
that.
We're
not
supposed
to
be
sick
because
[
15I
this
place
called
ATSDR,
the
Agency
for
Toxic
and
[
is]
Substance
­
Agency
for
Toxic
Substance
and
Disease
~
171
Registry,
was
mandated
by
Congress
to
do
a
health
[
ia]
assessment.

(
191
Now
to
you
and
your
men,
you
may
think
a
health
[
20]
assessment
means
looking
at
the
health
of
the
people,
but
~
211
it
doesn't
mean
it.
It
means
site
evaluation
of
that
[
22I
particular
site
on­
site
And
these
words
that
people
)
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274
111
<:
ommunity
liaison
for
the
Correlation
of
the
BlackTrade
(
21
Ilnion
CRATTcam,
Citizen
Response
ActionTeam.
I'm
a
[
3]
Board
Member
of
MPT
and
I
have
sat
as
a
special
~$
1
consultant
to
A'I'SDR
Community
and'l`
ribal
Subcommittee.

(
51
And
there's
a
lot
of
other
boards
I
sit
on.
The
other
(
61
one
is
Known
Stockpile
Chemical
Working
Group
and
this
is
~
71
a
grc,
up
that
looks
at
technology
to
use
other
than
[
a]
incineration
toor
chemical
weapons.

P:
One
thing
that
I
was
looking
at
your
draft,
and
[
lo]
this
­
I
know
this
has
been
said
before.
Superfund
[
I,]
Icavcs
out
monies
fbr
communities
that
have
been
[
IZ]
cl'l`&
tcd.
And
we
riced
to
look
at
the
fact
of
how
monies
~
13;
can
1~
put
in
place
l'or
communities
to
seek
health
care
~
141
IIWC;
ILISC
the
majority
of
these
communities
are
poor
and
[
is]
they
don't
have
healthcare.

1161
,\
nd
I
know
this
is
hard
for
a
lot
of
you
to
[
i
7;
hclicvc.
Poor
communiGcs,
they
don't
have
an
asbestos
[`
a]
doctor
and
a
lot
of
rural
communities
don't
have
the
[
iq
acc`
esb
as
to
getting
to
local
doctors.
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thcrc
should
[
XI]
bc
something
put
in
place.
like
­
I'm
not
going
to
call
`%
i]
it
a
clinic
I'm
talking
about
hands­
on
treatment,

~
221
prcvcntivc
care
because
you
know
what
the
people
have
'
[
il
play
games
with
is
making
us
ill
and
then
you'll
hear
of
~
21
other
people,
business
people
and
our
mayors
and
131
politicians
and
everybody
else,
thinking
that
things
are
[
4]
okay
because
the
Agency
said
it
was
okay.

i
I51
But
it's
still
talking
about
the
particular
I
[
q
site.
Not
off­
site.
Not
even
talking
about
pathways
~
71
that
people
are
actually
hurt
by
these
chemicals
on­
site.

PI
Superhmd
has
to
go
a
little
deeper
than
talking
191
about
public
health.
That
needs
to
be
omitted
completely
[
IO]
out
of
Superfund.
It
should
be
human
health,
not
public
[
I
11
health
because
ATSDR
got
another
meaning
for
that.

1:
21
And
that's
what
I'm
saying
is
words
is
being
(
131
played
on
this
Board
and
in
this
country
that
people,

(
141
like
Congress,
think
they're
passing
one
thing
and
it
1151
means
totally
something
else.
And
community
people
is
[
is]
tired
of
these
word
games
where
folks
don't
understand
1171
what
the
heck
they're
talking
about.
Even
when
you
put
a
[
ISI
glossary
in
there,
it
sounds
like
you're
talking
about
[
IQ]
one
thing,
but
it
means
another.
And
this
got
to
stop.

VJI
Supcrl'und
is
supposed
to
address
what
is
i
~
211
happening
on
its
site,
not
just
the
site,
but
the
whole
122)
area.`
l'he
whole
impacted
area.
Page
276
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277
[
II
The
other
issue
is
conflicts
of
interest
where
[
z]
industry
ends
up
polluting
a
site
and
then
the
same
131
industry
ends
up
being
the
ones
that
come
out
and
cleanup
141
the
site
and
then
they're
the
ones
that
are
telling
us
[
5]
it's
okay.
There
needs
to
be
some
wording,
please,
for
[
s]
the
communities
to
deal
with
that
type
of
injustice
[
q
that's
happening
to
us
because
most
of
the
time
they're
[
a]
not
cleaning
up
anything.

191
Like
the
Defense
loophole,
there
was
only
­

[
I
o]
there
was
actually
no
cleanup.
It
was
shuffled
for
[<
I]
paper.
It
was
a
paper
cleanup.
Everything
was
hidden
11~
1
from
the
community.
The
public
participation
is
only
a
1131
wrap
instead
of
here
entailed
in
the
community
thoroughly
~
141
so
people
can
understand.

LlSl
The
things
that
Superfund
has
set
into
place
are
[
E]
things
like
if
the
wording
is
not
exactly
like
it's
[
ITI
supposed
to
be
there's
loopholes
for
people
to
do
wrong.

[
is]
I
read
the
list
of
people
that
sit
on
this
Board
and
I'm
[
I91
really
hurt.

1201
I'm
a
community
person,
so
I'm
going
to
tell
you
pi]
this.
I
don't
see
why
industry
is
sitting
on
this
Board
[
22]
and
part
of
the
problem.
And
I
know
EPA
has
this
thing
Page
278
[
I]
that
they
can
help
solve
the
problems,
but
for
me
they
[
2]
help
soften
things
to
keep
from
hurting
them
when
they
(
31
hurt
people.
And
this
is
­
I
want
to
put
a
human
fact
~
41
on
this.
Kids
are
dying
in
our
community,

(
51
especially
around
the
areas
where
we
have
to
deal
with
[
s]
Federal
facilities.
And
some
of
you
can
look
up
and
say,

[
7]
wow,
here
we
go
again.
Here's
another
Environmental
[
s]
Justice
accident.
Yes.
And
I'm
going
to
preach
this
[
g]
until
I
quit
doing
this.

IlO1
Our
children
are
dying
in
our
community.
Your
~
1
I]
kids
may
not
have
uterine
cancer
and
your
kids
may
not
(
121
have
testicular
cancer,
but
that's
an
issue
for
us
when
LIZI]
we
see
we
are
being
­
(
inaudible).

Cl41
Now
I
want
to
put
a
face
on
this
because
there
.­

I
[
1
[
1
['

11
[
I
['

['

['

['

1:

[:

_
1:
Page
279
:
r]
facilities
for
the
government
to
go
back
and
its
lead
[
2]
Agenc
y
for
their
own
cleanup.
It's
not
getting
done.

[
3]
It's
not
working.
And
I
don't
­
and
I
didn't
see
[
4]
anything
in
Superfund
that
even
talked
about
Federal
[
5]
facilitiesAnd
WC
are
being
hurt
all
over
this
country.

PI
[
71
Do
you
think
that
they
can
make
mustard
gas
and
[
a]
deal
with
uranium
and
nothing
happen
to
the
community?

191
That
they
can
bring
plutonium
and
uranium
­
(
inaudible)

01
­
and
nothing
happen
to
the
community?
When
all
of
a
11
sudden
a
group
of
little
boys
up
here
in
Massachusetts
121
are
sick
with
cancer,
the
response
was
nothing
was
131
happening
until
five,
six
­
sometimes
10
years
later.

141
And
they
said,
oh,
yeah,
it
was
in
the
water.

151
People
in
our
community
don't
have
that
kind
of
161
time
and
thank
you
for
your
undivided
attention.

171
MR.
LOEHR:
Thank
you
very
much.
Dolores.

181
MS.
HERRERA;
I
just
wanted
to
address
­
can
191
you
hear
me?
'

!
O]
MR.
LOEHR:
Np.
It
may
not
be
on.

!
I]
MS.
HERRERA
I
Sandra
­
thank
you
both
for
!
2]
speaking,
but
I
ju
t
wanted
to
say
that
I
don't
know
that
+­.­­.

1
Page
280
[
I]
if
you're
in
the
room
when
we
talked
about
Ed
Lorenz
from
121
Alma
College
­
he's
right
over
there
­
and
Molly,
WC
[
3]
have
been
working
on
this
unit
for
public
engagement,

~
41
meaningful
public
participation,
and
so
that
was
the
[
5]
snippet
and
I
appreciate
your
catch
of
that
word,
but
it
[
s]
has
­
it's
a
little
tiny
bit
of
the
comprehensive
report
[
7]
and
alliance
that
is
going
to
be
interwoven
into
this
[
a]
report.

PI
And
so,
trust
me,
1
work
for
a
community
and
it
10)
will
get
in
there,
and
I
really
appreciate
your
comments.

111
And,
Doris,
you
know
I
love
you,
honey,
and
I
121
love
your
passion
­
I
share
it.
But
I
do
want
to
sa)

131
that
the
Agency
lor'l'oxic
Substance
and
Disease
Registr!

~
141
­
we've
heard
the
story
and,
1
mean,
WC
share
the
story.

~
[
is]
I
do
want
to
say
is
there
wasn't
enough
money
to
be
able
[
is]
to
provide
communities
what
they
needed
and
with
ATSDR,

[
i7]
they've
used
information
that
was
:
Wdihbk
and
it
was
an
[
ia]
injustice,
especially
to
the
people,
to
the
children,

[
ig]
your
children,
our
children,
my
children,
but
it
was
an
[
20]
injustice
to
the
Agency
as
well
because
a
lot
of
times
[
zi]
within
government
you
know
what
happens.
thcrc's
(
hi5
[
22]
little
tiny
bit
of
money
­
littlc
bit
of
resources
that
­.
[
I
51
are
kids
in
our
community,
13
year
old
girls
coming
down
[
is]
with
uterine
cancer.
Boys
at
the
age
of
17
getting
~
171
testicular
cancer
and
I
can
name
these
children.

[
181
We
don't
want
ATSDR
talking
about
well,
this
~
191
doesn't
exist.
Pull
them
out
of
Superfund,
put
real
[
20]
doctors
in
there
that
have
been
trained
with
[
211
Environmental
Medicine
and
then
you
won't
hear
from
mc.

PI
Also
take
­
take
the
control
out
of
Fcdcral
page
277
­
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281
[
I]
are
needed
for
a
gargantuan
problem.

PI
And
so
I
wanted
to
make
reference
to
that
for
[
3!
the
record,
because
­
to
share
those
concernsAnd
I
141
was
just
going
to
tell
you
ladies
just
to
keep
it
up
[
s]
because
we
all
have
to
listen
to
each
other
and
I
really
~
61
appreciate
your
commentsAnd
if
you
want
to
add
17)
anything
further,
you
guys
know
my
c­
mail
address
and
my
[
a]
phone
number.
Thank
you.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
WC
have
some
firrther
comments.

[
IO]
Vicky.

11'
1
MS.
PETERS:
I
have
a
specific
question
for
[`
21
1)
oris
and
then
to
follow­
up
on
this
ATSDR
issue
because
I
~
131
don't
know
how
much
time
you've
had
to
look
­
lhis
is
~
14)
very
awkward,
isn't
it.

1151
I
don't
know
how
much
time
you've
had
to
look
at
[
16]
all
of
the
draft
reports,
but
there
is
a
consensus
­

(
171
thcrc
seems
to
be
a
consensus
­
not
a
recommendation,
of
[
ISI
course,
but
a
growing
consensus
of
the
members
to
really
[
I91
highlight
the
issue
of
human
health
in
terms
of
both
[
zo]
listing
decisions
and
prioritizing
among
sites
that
arc
(
211
already
on
the
list.
And
I
had
some
questions
myself
how
~
21
wc`
rc
going
to
do
that.
~
11
as
mine
what
it
means
to
them,
but
in
their
mandate
by
)
~
21
Congress
someway
public
health
means
something
totally
[
31
different.

[
41
Maybe
it
doesn't
mean
health
for
people
of
color
~
51
and
poor
communities.
Maybe
that's
what
it
means.

[
6]
Because
it
hasn't
happened.
And
when
the
reports
are
[
7)
written
up
they're
all
the
same.

L9
I
remember
when
we
first
got
our
health
191
assessment.
We
thought
that
it
was
an
assessment
about
,[
Io]
the
community's
health.
It
is
a
site
evaluation
on
the
11
I]
site
itself,
not
on
site
because
the
community
don't
have
[
lzl
any
type
of
data.
Until
the
community
gets
the
data
then
1131
it's
normally
stated
that
it's
incorrect.
There's
~
141
something
always
wrong
with
the
community
people.

[
I51
And
so
I
feel
like
that
ATSDR
was
set
up
on
[
16]
purpose
to
put
flaws
so
that
the
communities
that
are
[
17l
really
hurt
can't
sue
and
the
communities
that
normally
[
le]
can't
sue
are
the
communities
that
are
poor
and
cannot
[
ig]
afford
attorneys
to
fight
their
battle.

PO1
It's
not
that
we
want
to
just
sue,
but
something
[
ZI]
was
done
lo
us
and
everyone
acts
like
we're
out
to
get
~
221
something
because
we
are
poor
communities
all
over
this
Page
283
Page
282
[`
I
My
sense
is
that
people
are
thinking
­
actually
12)
I'm
not
sure,
but
I
assume
people
were
thinking
in
terms
131
of
risk
assessment,
which
is
kind
of
different,
my
sense
~
41
is.
than
what
you're
talking
about,
which
is
really
going
[
si
out
into
the
communities
and
seeing
what's
going
on
there
~
61
and
what
the
­
you
know,
what
kind
of
diseases
are
there
[;
I
and
what
have
you,
as
opposed
to
some
kind
olmodeled
­

[
al
you
know,
this
concentration
we
would
predict
these
as
[
9]
racts.

II01
So,
if'
you
have
any
thoughts
on
that.
You
know,

[
I
11
if
we
come
forward
with
the
recommendation
that
the
sites
[
in]
that
post
the
highest
risks
arc
the
most
imminent
threats
~
131
to
the
community,
how
do
you
see
that
being
implemented
(
141
and
what
the
ATSDR
­
what
kind
of
faith
would
you
have
[
i5]
in
ATSDR
playing
a
role
in
that.

116)
But
Lix
you,
in
particular,
Doris,
1
didn't
(
171
rlnclcrstantl
your
comment
about
how
public
health
means
[
lo:
somcthing
diffcrcnt
to
ATSDR
than
what
we
would
think
[
i91
public
health
would
me;
m.

lw
MS.
BRADSHAW:
We
think
of
public
health
as
[
ai]
Iooking
at
health
issues.
Public
health
means
something
1221
tolally
different
to
A'I'SDR.
Now,
your
guess
is
as
good
111
country
when
we
say
we
are
sick.
And
the
numbers
show
I
[
z]
that
we
are.

[
31
There
was
some
data
done
in
Memphis
back
in
(
41
1798.
ATSDR
came
in
to
do
it.
This
was
a
five­
year
data
[
s]
on
cancer.
Now,
I
sat
on
the
Board
to
do
the
health
[
s]
consultation.`
l'hc
numbers
were
changed
before
our
eyes
[
7]
it'
the
numbers
were
too
high,
and
we're
not
supposed
to
[
a]
be
scientists
that
know
what
they're
doing.
But
as
you
191
do
this
long
enough
you
begin
to
follow
and
see
what's
[
IO]
happening.

1111
But
the
numbers
didn't
add
up
because
when
the
~
121
media
did
the
numbers
it
was
695
cancers
reported.

~
13)
`
I'hat's
just
reported.
That's
not
talking
about
the
(
141
cancers
that
are
not
reported,
deaths
and
stuff
like
[
is]
that.
But
this
was
just
five
years.

1161
Our
community
is
25,000
within
a
half
mile
1171
radius
of
the
depot.
Now
the
depot
has
been
there
50
[
ia]
years.`
l'hc
depot
would
not
go
back
50
years
to
count
the
[
19]
cancer
deaths
in
their
community.
That's
what
you
were
[
zo]
supposed
to
have
been
doing.
Not
so
much
as
cancer,
but
`(
211
the
olhcr
related
illness
that
is
related
to
these
[
22]
particular
sites.
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111
ATSDR
has
said
that
it's
supposed
to
be
a
[
z]
registry.
That
registry
never
happened.
That's
the
[
31
reason
why
I
said
the
process
was
flawed,
it
wasn't
right
141
when
they
put
this
group
together
in
the
first
place
and
151
they
have
some
kind
of
other
motive.
To
me
it's
like
a
[
s]
PR
firm
that
fights
against
the
people
and
we
pay
our
~
1
taxes
for
them
to
attack
us.

Bl
So,
we're
looking
for
things
that
are
fair.

191
(
End
tape
four,
side
one.)

[
lOI
MS.
BRADSHAW:
­
that
10
years,
20
years
from
1111
now
when
science
catches
up
with
oh,
we
did
make
a
[
lz]
mistake.
This
happens
over
and
over
again
and
we
don't
[
is]
have
time.
And
industry
knows
these
things
are
[
141
happening.
Industry
creates
these
chemicalsAnd
you
[
ISI
know
darn
well
uranium,
plutonium
and
all
the
other
stuff
[
i6]
that
deal
with
radiation,
ifit's
in
a
community,
the
[
17]
barrels
and
stuff,
low
levels
of
radiation
eventually
arc
[~
a]
going
to
get
­
break
down
your
system.
The
same
thing
~
191
about
weapons
of
mass
destruction.
All
the
chemicals
po]
that's
in
there.

WI
So,
I'm
not
a
scientist,
but
I
know
that
this
is
[
zzl
not
fair
and
this
is
not
right,
and
that
an
Agency
like
Page
286
[
I]
this
put
in
place
was
the
safeguard
for
government
and
[
z]
industry
because
it's
inconclusive
all
the
timc.
And
so
[
3]
we
have
to
do
something
about
why
we
pay
these
people
to
(
41
do
nothing
and
why
­

I51
That's
the
money
that
can
be
used
for
health
[
s]
care
in
Superfund.
Take
the
$
98
Million
and
put
it
back
171
for
national
healthcare.
It
seems
easy
to
me.
Let
there
[
a]
be
a
Subcommittee
that
constantly
works
on
the
issue
[
Q]
around
health
with
Superfund.
It's
got
to
happen
because
[
lo]
people
are
tired
of
testifying
and
talking
about
the
[
I
11
things
that's
happening
in
the
community.

[
I21
MS.
JAKEWITH:
Vicky,
if
I
could
address
that
1131
for
just
a
second.
At
Rocky
Mountain
Arsenal,
we
had
a
1141
health
assessment
by
ATSDR
and
we
were
­
I
mean,
it
was
~
151
a
many
month
long
process.
I
don't
know
how
many
[
is]
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
they
spent
to
do
it.

1171
They
didn't
look
at
any
health.
And
what
they
came
back
[
lsl
with,
quite
honestly,
was
simply
a
pathways
analysis.

[
191
And,
you
know,
I'm
not
a
geophysicists
and
I'm
[
20]
not
a
scientist,
but
I
could
have
given
them
a
pathways
~
211
analysis
in
about
five
minutes.
I
mean,
they
stopped
~
221
manuhcturer
pesticides
at
Rocky
Mountain
Arsenal,
Shell
I
'

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11
F
.
E
['

['

[.

1'

I
i[.
~
1
[
Page
287
:
I]
and
other
pesticide
companies,
back
in
the
1980s
and
the
:
z]
conclusion
was
back
in
the
1980s
they
stopped
doing
this
:
3]
and
so
there's
no
longer
a
pathway.
I
mean,
it
was
141
pathetic
what
we
got
out
of
that.

Fl
And
so
what
that
does
is
when
you
call
that
a
[
6]
health
assessment
you've
implied
there's
actually
been
a
[
7]
review
of
people's
health
and
I
think
that's
one
of
the
[
a]
things
that
creates
more
anger
and
frustration
in
this
[
g]
process,
which
is
why
it
is
such
an
important
issue
for
o]
you
all
to
look
at,
too,
because
that
also
slows
down
i]
this
process.

21
MR.
LOEHR:
Thank
you.
We
have
some
other
31
comments.
Ed
Lorenz
and
then
Jason.

41
MR.
LORENZ:
I
guess
just
two
comments
directed
51
mostly
to
Doris
and
Sandy,
is
I
think
one
thing
that
6)
would
help
us,
perhaps,
is
if
you
­
and
you
already
71
apparently
have
looked
at
the
draft
report,
but
would
181
give
us
suggestions
about
where
references
sl~
oulcl
bc
made
IQ]
to
community
participation.
You
know,
like
specific
to]
places.
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
as
we
go
through
ti]
trying
to
­
you
know,
finalize
this.

!
2]
But
then
the
second
thing,
I
think,
for
all
01
Page
288
[
I]
us
that
maybe
has
come
out
of
this
is
I
think
this
­
WC
[
2]
don't
have
anything,
do
we,
on
ATSDR
in
the
draft
or
not
[
3]
very
much
and
maybe
when
we
get
to
site
­
especially
[
4]
some
of
the
site
Listing
parts
we
should
be,
at
least,

[
5]
giving
a
little
Ihought
to
including
some
wording
that
[
6]
would
address
concerns
thal
they
have
raised.

[
71
MS.
JAKEWITH:
You
know,
one
of
the
issues
that
[
s]
comes
up
in
the
mixed
­
in
this,
there
are
a
couple
01
[
Q]
scientific
issues
that
are
very
difficult.
One
is
IO]
chemical
mixtures
and
how
these
chemicals
interact
with
II]
each
other,
which
is
something
that
science
is
not
really
121
able
to
do
yet.

131
And
within
that
there
is
also
a
major
problem
141
with
risk
assessment
of
these
sites
in
terms
of
looking
151
at
what
other
contamination
there
is
in
a
communily.

161
particularly
these
over
burdened
communities,
thcsc
poor
171
communities
that
have
contamination
from
many
sources.

181
The
risk
assessments
for
Superfimd
sites
~
[?
q
idenw
only
the
chemicals
that
arc
on
that
Superfund
[
20]
site
and
the
risks
that
they
pose
without
taking
into
~
[
zi]
account
the
risk
that
is
posed
by
the
contamination
01
[
z]
other
surrounding
contamination
sources.
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~~~~
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!`
I
Those
arc
all
the
sorts
of
things
that
make
this
(
III
MR.
WHITE:
Oh,
it
kind
of
hits
close
to
home
~
21
an
~
mfair
process
for
communities.
And
1
raise
that
[
z]
for
me,
as
kind
of
for
you.
p]
within
the
context
of
what
Ed
was
saying
and
1
think
it
PI
For
example,
our
tribe
­
actually
there
was
~
41
goes
to
the
issue
of
integrity.
This
process
at
every
[
4l
nine
other
tribes
in
­
we're
in
Northeastern
Oklahoma
[
q
step
needs
to
have
integrity
so
that
people
can
believe
[
s]
and
we
had
the
same
problem.
There
was
a
big
problem
~
61
that
the
process
is
as
fair
and
as
just
as
it
can
be
[
q
with
our
children
having
high
­
our
Indian
children
had
~
71
within
the
many
constraints
that
it
has.
[
7]
high
blood
lead
levcls.
Actually
the
highest
of
the
181
And
on
many
of
the
levels
of
this
process
there
[
8]
nation.
And,
by
law,
they
didn't
see
it
as
a
problem
and
191
doer
not
appear
to
be
truth
or
integrity,
and
it's
[
g]
WC
didn't
go
through
the
ATSDR.
We
actually
went
through
[
rol
something
that
simply
causes
frustration
and
anger
in
a
[
lo]
our
public
health
and
that's
actually
­
it
played
an
[?
I]
community
and
that
lcngthcns
the
process.
III]
important
­
a
big
role
in
actually
playing
a
role
in
the
(`
2;
At
Rocky
Mountain
Arsenal
recently
we
fought
a
[
IZ]
rcmediation
of
the
site.

~
131
fight
at
the
State
Water
Board
with
the
Army
concerning
$
131
We
didn't
have
to
go
through
them
because
they
[
jq
DiMI',
which
is
a
byproduct
of
nerve
gas.
It's
also
used
1141
found
out
that
like
75
percent
of
our
children
­
it's
[
lq
to
make
nerve
gas.
And
they
wanted
to
put
more
in
our
[
IS]
like
statistics
like
that
­
showed
they
had
high
blood
[
i
61
waler.
And
this
is
a
1
O­
year
fight.
They
spent
millions
[
i6]
levels
and
it
was
actually
impacting
the
children.
And
[
i
71
and
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
on
a
new
study
that
1171
we
were
able
to
go
the
additional
step
­
our
community
[
is]
was
then
peer
reviewed
by
the
National
Academy
of
[
i8]
actually
played
a
role
in
the
rcmcdiation
activities.

1191
Scicnccs.
1!
191
1
understand
your
frustrations
with
ATSDR.
I'm
PO1
And
truly
I'm
a
community
member
and
not
a
[
no]
not
real
familiar
with
them,
but
1
just
wanted
to
give
1~
11
scientist.
1
think
that
when
things
go
to
NAS
and
their
[
ZI]
you
that
as
a
part
of
help
because
that's
what
we
did
and
1~
21
peer
rcvicw,
that
that
is
a
long
and
involved
process
[
zz]
WC
found
OLIL
that
it
helped
get
some
of
our
soils
Page
290
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292
[
I)
L~;
IL
brings
integrity
to
this
whole
concept
and
that
when
[
z]
NAS
rcvicws
things
it
has
meaning.
And
what
I
found
out
[
3]
in
the
process
of
this
­
1
appeared
at
NAS
and
did
~
41
comment
and
WC
hired
­
WC
hired
specialists
to
look
at
15.
this
prc,
ccss.

I61
hnd
NAS
does
a
very
cursory
review
over
a
171
rclativrly
short
period
of
lime
with
very
little
~
81
rcso~~
rccs
l'or
the
people
who
volunteer
to
do
this
review.

191
II
was
a
very,
very
poor
review
process
and
I'm
appalled
lio]
to
lind
out
that
yet
again
one
of
the
places
where
[
i
11
accountability
and
integrity
are
supposed
to
appear
1171
within
the
system
appcarcd
to
simply
be
mirages,
which
is
(
131
what
A'I'SDR
is
as
well.

1141
Although
1
understand
these
arc
tangential
to
[
js]
what
!
zou'rc
looking
at,
thcy'rc
part
and
prccl
ot'thc
(
161
bigg:
cr
problem
that
you're
looking
at
in
terms
of
funding
117;
and
protecting
our
communilics.

1181
MR.
LOEHR:
Jason.
Jason
White.

1151
MR.
WHITE:
Oh,
Sandra,
this
one
is
for
YOLI
[
XI:
actually
bccausc
your
story
kind
of
hit
kind
of
close
to
[
71]
Ilorllc.

1721
MR.
LOEHR:
Jason,
again
­­­
[
I]
rcmediated.

PI
Is
that
something
you
guys
have
tried?

PI
MS.
BRADSHAW:
1
just
want
to
say
I
doubt
if
[
4]
your
site
was
a
Superfund
­
NPL
Superfund
site.
ATSDR
~
[
s]
is
manddted
under
C:
ongress
to
step
in
when
a
site
has
[
6]
become
[
7]
­
when
they,
you
know,
get
the
tallies
up
and
whatever
[
a]
level
that
it
ratesThen
if
it's
rated
as
an
NPI.

(
91
Superfund
site,
then
ATSDR
has
to
come
in
and
­
at
that
[
io]
particular
time
and
that's
where
the
mess
up
starts.

[
111
MR.
LOEHR:
Doris.

[
121
MS.
CELLARIUS:
1
appreciate
that
Doris
and
1131
Sandra
have
come
to
talk
about
the
problems
you've
had
[
141
with
ATSDR.
You
may
know
that
1
did
work
with
ATSDR
for
[
is]
a
few
years
and
WC
often
heard
stories
like
you're
[
16]
telling
us
now.
It's
sort
of
disappointing
that
we're
(
171
still
hearing
years
later
that
citizens
arc
disappointed.

1181
I
think
that
the
community
tribal
forum
that
you
[
19]
serve
on,
Doris,
1
had
hoped
that
it
would
really
improve
`[
zo]
the
situation.
1
mean,
we
had
­
so
this
is
probably
[
ZI]
something
very
important
that
this
Subcommittee
should
[
22]
nddrcss
that
the
way
the
original
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[
i]
link
to
the
newAgency,
ATSDR,
has
had
­
well,
a
lot
of
[
z]
unfortunate
consequences
and
may
have
even
harmed
the
131
situation.
So,
1%
support
helping
get
the
report
to
141
the
address
this.

151
MS.
BRADSHAW:
Another
suggestion.
If
you
would
[
6]
use
that
special
consultant
to
the
Subcommittee
and
use
14
the
people
that
have
served
on
that
as
just
a
committee
[
a]
to
come
in
to
do
a
panel
or
something,
then
you
will
hcdr
[
g]
it
from
our
direction.

[
lOI
We
tried.
That's
the
only
thing
I
can
say.
We
[
ii]
honestly
tried
to
do
what
we
could
as
citizens
to
mold
[
lz]
the
organization
the
way
that
it
should
have
been.
But
[
13]
it
seems
like,
Ed,
you
go
two
steps
forward,
they
puIl
1141
you
20
back.
It's
just
like
I
don't
want
to
do
anything
[
is]
and
that's
what
the
citizens
was
seeing,
even
serving
on
(
161
those
Boards.
We
would
make
recommendations
and
make
~
171
recommendations
thinking
the
recommendation
has
been
[
ia]
applied
and
for
some
reason
or
another
all
of
a
sudden
1191
the
recommendation
disappears.

WI
There
was
a
change
of
the
guard
­
I
think
that
~
211
Dr.
Johnson
had
great
integrity
after
he
found
out
that
[
zz]
people
weren't
going
to
take
that
anymore
and
we
went
Page
294
[
I]
forward
with
that
Subcommittee
and
it
rcaIly
started
[
z]
working.
And
we
had
a
change
of
the
guard
with
this
new
[
3]
doctor,
Falk
(
phonetic),
and
he
just
doesn't
get
it.

141
That's
what
I'm
saying.
The
whole
organization
~
51
­
the
money
could
be
used
for
community
people
help
[
6]
instead
of
wasting
these
millions
of
dollars
for
nothing.

m
MR.
LOEHR:
We
need
to
kind
of
close
off.
It's
la]
been
a
long
day,
but
there
still
are
a
couple
of
comments
lgl
up
and
1%
take
those.
Aimee.

[
lOI
MS.
HOUGHTON:
I
just
wanted
to
say
Doris
[
I
11
mentioned
about
the
Federal
facility
component
and
much
[
tzl
to
my
personal
dismay,
just
because
it's
what
I
focus
on
1131
which
is
Federal
facilities,
the
charge
of
this
group
was
[
14]
not
necessarily
focused
on
Federal
facilities.
I
mean,
I
[
15]
bring
it
up
every
meeting
and
I
think
pretty
much
~
161
everybody
here
can
attest
to
that.

(
171
But,
you
know,
there
will
be
a
portion
in
there
[
is]
that
will
touch
on
it,
but
it's
not
­
unfortunately,

1191
it's
not
going
to
be
an
in­
depth
assessment
of
what
I
1201
view
as
an
overwhehniig
concern,
the
number
of
Federal
[
21]
facilities
that
arc
on
the
Superfund
Iist.`
I'hcy
~
221
oumumber
any
of
the
private
sites.
Page
295
111
So,
I
would
­
you
know,
I
support
what
both
you
(
z]
ant
Sandra
are
saying.
But
just
to
let
you
know,
I
try
[
3]
and
bring
them
up
all
the
time.
So,
it's
not
going
inLo
141
a
total
void.

ISI
MS.
JAKEWITH:
Wett,
not
only
do
they
outnumber
[
6]
the
Superfund
sites.
Federal
facilities
­
some
of
these
[
7]
are
the
largest
contaminalion
sites
in
the
world.
Rocky
[
s]
Mountain
Arsenal
and
Aberdeen
are
two
of
the
Iargcst
and
[
g]
have,
I
mean,
just
acres
and
acres
of
contamination.

101
So,
it's
not
just
a
matter
of
numbers.
It's
a
1
I]
matter
of
size
and
complexity,
which
are
one
of
the
121
things
you're
also
focusing
on.

131
MR.
LOEHR:
Vicky.

141
MS.
PETERS:
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
WC:

is]
understood
Doris'
recommendation.
Is
thal
­
are
you
161
recommending
that
WC
have
this
ATSDR
Subcommittee
tlial
171
Doris
referred
Ito
come
and
ldlk
to
us?

181
MS.
BRADSYAW:
Yes.

191
MS.
PETER+:
So,
you
know
the
mame
of
that
then.

201
MS.
BRADSlhAW:
The
members
that
have
served
on
211
there
for
the
p+
st
­
I
think
it's
been
in
existence
six
.!
221
yearsAnd
I
tlqk
that
if
you
get
the
members
that
have
Page
296
li]
already
served
the
iirsl
four
years
because
I
think
it
[
2]
was
three
years
before
that
when
you
served
on
that
[
3]
Board?

[
41
FEMALE
VOICE:
Ycs.
Three
years
before
Lhat.

151
MS.
BRADSHAW:
And
I
think
you
need
these
people
(
61
to
hear
what
happened,
what
we
did.
We
end
up
­
every
[
7]
time
there
­
new
community
people
come
on
they
fought
[
a]
all
the
way
to
the
beginning
instead
of
starting
where
[
g]
people
stopped
off
at.

[
lOI
MR.
LOEHR:
Final
commenl.
Dolores.

[
Ii1
MS.
HERRERA:
Yes.
I
need
to
say
that
Florence
i
[
12]
Robinson
is
out
in
the
audience
and
I
think
­
I
can`
t
[
is]
see
without
my
glasses,
but
Florence
and
a
group
of
us,

~
141
Penny
Newman
and
several
­
I
don't
know.`
I'herc
was
1151
about
nine
females,
women.
About
I2
years
ago
went
Lo
[
16]
see
ATSDR
and
we
wcrc
accompanied
by
Linda
King,
who
[
17]
helped
write
"
Inconclusive
By
Design".
If
anybody
hasn't
[
ia]
read
that,
it's
very
interesting.

Cl91
And
it
does
talk
about
A'I'SDR
because
we
were
m
!
[
zo]
Washington,
we
had
blisters
on
our
feet
­
I
mean,
on
our
,211
tongues
becdusc
we
­
I
man,
NC
ralked
until
WC
wcrc
[
zz]
blue.
We
talked
to
all
of
those
pcoplc
and
bccausc
01.

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111
that
I
would
Iike
to
think
that
these
groups
were
formed
[
II
committed
to
maintaining
equity
and
fairness
and
cleanup
[
2]
that
you
sat
on.
But.
you
know,
we
have
all
been
a
part
[
z]
in
their
communities.
[
a]
of
the
movement,
but
there
are
warriors
and
we
have
the
PI
Thank
you.

[
41
scars
to
prove
it.
141
MR.
LOEHR:
On
behalf
of
the
committee,
let
me
I51
`
l`
he
one
thing
that
I
do
want
to
say
is
that
it
IsI
thank
both
of
you
for
the
time
you
did
spend
with
us
and
161
was
the
expectations
of
a
governmental
entity
that
[
a]
sharing
your
thoughts
and
comments.
17)
hclievcd
that
ATSDR
could
do
the
work
that
was
written
I71
Sandra,
you
said
you
would
be
around
tomorrow.
181
and
what
happened,
it
was
reports
of
asking
very
­
a
[
81
I'm
sure
there
will
be
some
further
interactions,
and
if
[
Q]
very
small
percentage
of
community
and
getting
i
[
a]
you
choose
to
tomorrow,
we'll
be
looking
forward
to
some
1101
information
and
data
and
putting
it
in
a
report
that
did
[
IO]
additional
comments.
Doris,
if
you
choose
to
do
so,
[,
I;
not
;
tddrcss
the
issue
of
public
health.
[
i
I]
that's
line
too.
But,
again,
thank
you
very
much
for
[
I21
But
I
have
to
say,
as
you
know,
there's
a
huge
I121
sharing
those
particular
thoughts
with
us.
ljsl
debate
about
environmental
health
and
public
health
and
[
I31
This
committee
has
been
going
since
8:
OO
this
1141
public
health.
a
lot
of
times,
deals
with
shots
and
baby
1141
morning.
More
power
to
you.
I
see
you're
still
[
ls!
well
clinics,
and
we're
talking
about
a
comprehensive
1151
surviving
and
still
up,
and
time
to
take
that
final
break
(
161
environmental
health
tragedy
in
our
communities
where
[
XI
for
the
day,
except
for
dinner,
which
is
at
7:
O0.
(
171
people
have
died
that
are
sick
and
they're
sick
of
being
(
171
MR.
EHRMANN:
People,
you
want
to
get
the
bus
at
(
181
Icstcd.
[
ia]
7:
00
or
7:
15?

1'
91
But
I
think
that
we
arc
here
with
this
group
lo
[
I91
COMMITTEE:
7:
O0.
cnol
address
some
issues.
But
we
do
have
a
track
record
and
I
I201
MR.
EHRMANN:
I
knew
you
would
­
7:
O0.
Be
~
21~
~
LISI
wanted
to
say
that
because
there
is
a
huge
debate
[
zi]
there
at
7:
O0.
We'll
he
ready
to
go.

1223
and
it
Isn't
dx~
ut,
as
I've
said
many
times
on
a
national
­
WI
MR.
LOEHR:
John
would
like
to
go
over
another
Page
298
Page
300
(
11
lcvcl
and
intcrnatiomal
Ievel,
when
I'm
starting
­
when
[
z]
somebody
is
referring
to
dala
or,
you
know,
this
is
the
Ia]
risk.
And
I
always
ask
what
if
that
was
your
daughter,

~
41
what
if
that
was
your
son
and
what
if
that
was
your
151
mother
or
your
falher
or
your
sister
or
your
brother.

[
a]
Just
once
makes
a
lot
of
difference.

I71
So
I
jllsl
wanted
to
sdy
mat.
I'm
tired.

PI
MS.
JAKEWITH:
I
know
you're
closing.
I'd
Iike
[
a]
to
thank
you
all
for
your
attention
because
I
know
this
1101
public
comment
session
is
something
that
is
added
for
(
111
your
herrefit
as
well
as
for
ours
and
we
do
appreciate
the
1121
time
and
attention,
and
appreciate
the
time
and
effort
(
133
and
thought
that
you're
putting
into
the
charge
before
(
14)
you
because
ils
so
important.

[
I51
And
just
know
that
this
important
to
the
people
~
16:
that
you're
making
decisions
for
and
about.
We
pay
our
1171
own
ways
to
come
here
and
to
stay
in
hotels
and
to
[
ia]
participate
in
this,
and
there's
a
great
sacrifice
II]
section
of
the
report
­
but
well
see
you
at
7:
00
out
[
2]
frontThank
you
again,

PI
141
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181
(`
I'he
meeting
was
adjourned.)

[
ia]
involved
in
participating
in
these
processes.
I[
191
WI
lind
so
as
you
look
at
the
public
participation
PO1
1211
and
involvement
scgtncnts
of
this,
you
know.
know
that
P'l
1221
you're
Ginply
opening
the
doors
for
people
who
are
very
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135:
19;
136:
3;
142:
20;
145:
2;
162:
21;
167:
12;
168:
13,
15;
215:
13;
240:
2;
242:
lO;
252:
l;
280:
6,22,22
bits
167:
2
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274:
l
blind
246:
14
blisters
296:
20
blocked
30:
14
blood
198:
19;
291:
7,
15
blue
296:
22
board
18:
12,13;
82:
13;
263:
2,13,14,15;
266:
ll;
274:
3;
276:
13;
277:
18,21;
284:
5;
289:
13;
296:
3
boards
274:
5;
293:
16
boatyard
34:
s
Bob
65:
12;
106:
20;
156:
3;
162:
8,8
body
116:
4;
124:
11,20;
127:
2;
154:
4,6,
18;
155:
2,
16;
189:
21;
19O:
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194:
4,
5;
195:
4
boil
148:
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26O:
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bold
116:
4;
170:
1,
13
bolt
28:
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book
215:
20
boss
203:
9
Boston
lo:
19
both
5:
13;
12:
2;
31:
22;
34:
19;
40:
19;
42:
6;
44:
10,
11;
45:
17,22;
52:
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63:
12;
85:
10;
109:
15;
115:
11,17;
119:
lO;
124:
19;
132:
17;
139:
22;
149:
13;
163:
14;
176:
17;
198:
17;
230:
16,22;
248:
22;
263:
19;
269:
9;
279:
21;
281:
19;
295:
l;
299:
5
bothers
87:
14;
193:
21,
22
bottom
130:
7;
134:
17;
15.116;
162:
lO;
186:
22;
187:
20;
200:
21
bought
44:
11;
85:
21,22
boundaries
105:
13;

138:
20;
139:
3;
181:
3,22;
107:
15
box
59:
13;
68:
5
Boys
278:
16;
279:
ll
BP
2:
10;
64:
22
bracket
231:
21
Bradshaw
273:
15,20,
20;
282:
20;
285:
lO;
292:
3;
293:
5;
295:
18,20;
296:
5
brain
234:
12
brand
258:
6
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2;
142:
13;
143:
5;
144:
21;
145:
3;
190:
7;
232:
10,12;
240:
5,
9;
253:
9;
285:
lS;
299:
15
breakdown
180:
13
breakfast
140:
3
breaking
252:
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breaks
143:
3;
144:
17
BREEN
66:
20,20;
68:
20;
Brownfield
21:
lO;
89:
6;
96:
9,15;
199:
19
Brownfields
90:
16;
96:
4,
11,
12;
167:
13;
179:
3;
190:
5
brush
165:
9
brutal
30122
bucket
25:
18,19
bucks
106:
3
budget
45:
20;
179:
4,11,
14;
268:
12,15
buffer
32:
5
build
32:
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33:
12;
34:
4;
42:
13,
14;
53:
18;
102:
20;
118:
lS;
241:
3
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3:
3;
65:
19
building
13:
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15:
19;
33:
15;
35:
10,12,15;
40:
20;
44:
22;
45:
3;
89:
22;
98:
15;
102:
19;
115:
9;
176:
13
182:
2,5;
198:
lO;
201:
12,
16;
202:
3;
205:
lO;
209:
3,
16;
210:
3;
242:
lS;
244:
13;

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brevity
157:
13
brick
44:
22
Bridge
11:
4,4;
30:
12;
46:
15;
51:
17;
52:
3
brief
96:
lS;
145:
5;
218:
9;
24O:
ll;
257:
12
briefed
256:
12
briefing
89:
21;
26O:
lO
briefings
258:
13
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business
25:
3;
34:
10,19;
102:
6,7;
173:
17;
184:
17;
255:
lO;
276:
2
businesses
32:
13;
33:
14;
34:
21;
40:
20
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13:
l;
14:
5
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and­
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12:
19
bypass
31:
5,6,20,21;
109:
13
byproduct
289:
14
briefly
17:
20;
61:
19;
91:
22;
146:
19;
245:
9
Briggum
2:
5;
53:
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54:
11,16,20;
55:
7;
66:
13,
13;
86:
14;
103:
13;
118:
21;
166:
20;
218:
12
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19;
28:
11;
61:
21;
70:
13,17;
80:
8,
11;
88:
20;
105:
3,10;
148:
4;
188:
2;
229:
20;
247~
2;
257:
lO;
26O:
lS;
264:
17;
270:
12;
279:
9;
294:
15;
295~
3
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216:
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brings
12:
12;
188:
5;
290:
1
broad
39:
2;
131:
18,
18;
140:
1;
151:
16;
155:
9;
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12:
11;
42:
5:
45:
21;
252:
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broadest
120:
14
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45:
14;
102:
14
brooks
31:
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brother
298:
5
brought
6:
13;
104:
12;
l/
15:
18;
227:
5;
235:
20
Brown
9~
15,
18;
1O:
ll;
18:
4,6;
21:
2;
35:
2;
49%;
51:
4,
10,
15,
19;
5J:
ll;
56:
15,21;
68:
15;
93:
3;
95:
19
199:
20;
275:
11
built
32:
16;
133:
12;

bulkhead
32:
16;
34:
5,
13,13,15,20;
35:
7;
42:
20
bullet
30:
14;
190:
14
bump
16l:
l
burden
5313
burdened
288:
16
bureaucratic
56:
2;
63:
l
burning
108:
2
bus
6:
19;
10:
13;
19:
21;
46:
1,
5,6;
48:
20;
58:
ll;
59:
6,20;
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l;
67:
13;
299:
17
bigger
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(
4)
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28:
17;
29:
2;
39:
12,

13
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28:
4,7,
13,20
cake
19:
lO;
20:
8,10,21;
21:
17
calculation
122:
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calendars
141:
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147:
16
caliber
188:
12;
190:
4;
236:
17
call
69:
2;
85:
15;
131:
s;
155:
14;
171:
ll;
172:
lS;
175:
6;
197:
4;
210:
3;
217:
13,15;
2261;
240:
16;
27420;
287:
5
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17:
4
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15:
22;
27:
18;

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62:
16;
70:
15;
72:
17;
113:
9;
117:
4;
189:
5;
199:
22;
209:
17;
210:
4;
213:
15;
235:
4,4,
5;
249:
16;
273:
21;
275115;
292~
22
calling
200:
2;
230:
2;
237~
2
calls
63:
15;
70:
19;

194:
19;
249:
16;
254:
5
came
5:
9;
13:
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15:
17;
43:
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45:
2;
57:
4;
61:
5;
74:
2;
82:
12;
91:
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99:
6;
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106:
17;
107:
21;
121:
4;
197:
4,11;
222:
19;
22316;
235:
l;
236:
5;
240:
1,
11;
242:
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244:
1,
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245:
19;
267:
2;
268:
7;
269:
6;
284:
4;
286:
17
campaign
102:
5
campaigns
4l:
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can
7:
20;
11:
16;
13:
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14:
4;
18:
12;
24:
6;
26:
5;
27:
6;
30:
13;
31:
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38:
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39:
6;
41:
21;
48:
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18;
62:
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68:
22;
71:
22;
73:
15;
74:
13,22;
76:
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77:
9,
10,
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78:
5,7,20;
79:
15;
83:
5,9,
11;
84:
17;
85:
15,
21,22;
86:
5,
16:
20;
87:
4,
13.
16,
19;
93:
18;
94:
10;
9
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17;
96:
2,22;
97:
s;
103:
12;
106:
9;
108:
19;
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71
112:
lO;
114:
21;
116:
2,7,
8;
117:
13;
118:
19;
119:
1,
1,2,
12;
122:
7,
12;
123:
3;
124:
6;
126:
5;
127:
9;
128:
6;
130:
15;
131:
7,12,
17;
133:
2;
137:
19;
138:
3,
18;
139:
21;
140:
s.
12;
141:
17;
143:
4;
144:
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149:
8,22;
151:
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10;
153:
6;
156:
5;
158:
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159:
1;
160:
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161:
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164:
5;
165:
15;
170:
11,
173:
15;
176:
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177:
3;
178:
6,
10,
11;
182:
ll;
184:
4;
185:
12,
18;
1866;
187:
21;
188:
19;
19O:
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196:
lS;
197:
19;
202:
20;
203:
19;
204:
12;
205:
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207:
15;
212:
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213:
6;
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218:
9;
225:
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229:
21;
230:
8,22;
231:
3;
234:
7;
238:
6,21;
239:
1,5,
10;
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271:
14
capabilities
169:
7;
176:
11,
12
capability
173:
4
capacity
213:
18
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10:
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capital
184:
13
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109:
22
caps
271:
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capture
38:
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58:
16;
131:
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177:
21;
188:
16;
198:
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154:
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58:
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3:
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64:
13,
13;
68:
14;
256:
11,
19;
257:
16;
261:
12
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151:
15;
181:
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196:
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27:
13;
6l:
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63:
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64:
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95:
20;
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256:
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274:
13,
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286:
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6516;
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163:
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257:
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130:
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207:
11,
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231:
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135:
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53:
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225:
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272:
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270:
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61:
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63:
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67:,`
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69:
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94:
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178:
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209:
16;
224:
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79:
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103:
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123:
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131:
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14,
15,15;
150:
19;
229:
19;
250:
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55:
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194:
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catch
86;
169%;
240:
16,
19,
20;
280:
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285:
11
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117:
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181:
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115:
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category
164:
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185:
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202:
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217:
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234:
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104:
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97:
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206:
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289:
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102:
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176:
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178:
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212:
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62:
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241:
11;
244:
17;
248:
14;
250:
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255:
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15,
18,
18,21,22;
258:
10,
15;
259:
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260:
4,
11,20;
270:
22;
273:
11,
12;
274:
13;
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277:
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278:
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286:
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289:
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6;
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278:
11.
12,
16,
17:
279:
12;
284:
5,
19.
20
cancers
284:
12,14
candidates
108:
7
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182:
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215:
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216:
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292:
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216;
57:
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59:
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228:
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43:
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29:
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100:
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43:
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52:
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259:
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262:
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148:
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197:
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60:
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63:
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75:
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77:
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172:
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186:
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206:
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211:
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240:
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256:
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294:
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170:
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4:
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236:
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141:
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23:
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274:
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275:
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288:
10
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276:
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285:
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288:
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3:
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66:
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148:
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149:
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203:
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58:
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14:
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41:
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275:
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278:
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280:
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72:
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101:
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153:
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219:
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212:
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128:
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213:
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263:
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6:
9;
7:
2;
8:
2,3;
20:
18:
28:
12,
20,
22;
32:
17,22;
41:
10;
42:
17;
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22;
45:
9;
55:
5;
58:
3,
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66:
17;
89:
16;
90:
13;
91:
0,
10:
18;
93:
19;
94:
1;
95:
lO;
97:
4,
w.
4;
107:!
9;
109:
19
87:
4;
91:
19;
117:
20;
120:
2;
122:
13,16;
123:
1,
7;
125:
15,
19;
127:!
5;
128:
l;
132:
21;
151%;
163:
4;
1729;
175:
17;
176:
4,22;
19O:
S;
2!
1:
9;
260:
9
clearer
19s:
20
Clearly
39:
5;
73:
10;
79:
5;
104:
l;
123.17;
125:
20;
139:
17;
152:
22;
153:
3;
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61:
9.
164:`).
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78:
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20~:
1~;
23o:;
s;
2~
1.;~!
coast/
east
254:
20
Cod
10:
19
Coggeshall
11:
4;
46:
15;
51:
16;
52:
3
cognizant
200:
4;
201:
2
coherent
139:
16;
223:
13
cold
30~
22
colleagues
6:
7
collect
24:
1,7
collectively
180:
15
College
2:
21;
64:
18;
280:
2
colonist
15:
3
COlOr
84:
4;
186:
3;
283:
4
Colorado
3:
5;
65:
16;
263:
12
colored
!
01:
9
combination
19:
12;
21:
18;
25:
22;
52:
22
combined
31:
s;
32:!
7,
19;
93:
22;
114:
4;
132:
ll
combines
233:
20
comfortable
104:
17;
116:
9;
117:
ll;
130:
20;
139:
2;
161:
19;
181:
8,
14;
207:
21;
208:
12;
219:
17;
235:
18;
241:
lO;
261:
7
coming
33:
ll;
48:
16;
73:
7;
86:
9;
110:
4;
145:
7;
146:
2;
148:
9;
159:
12;
179:
7;
22212;
223:
7,14;
242:
20;
243:
l;
250:
8;
252:
lS;
275:
12;
278:
15
comment
38:
18;
72:
lO;
76:
15;
85:
19;
!
16:
11,14,
14;
121:
14;
123:
5;
1249;
128:
9;
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142:
4,7;
!
43:!
6;
144:
8,
10,12,14;
154:
19;
156:
l;
157:
18;
!
59:
5;
165:
14;
167:
19;
168:
lO;
169:
1/
t;
170:
s;
174.12;
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75:
22;
!
8!:
12;
256:
5;
262:
9;
265:
14;
266:
6;
273:
7,8;
282:
17;
290:
4;
296:
lO;
298:
lO
commentary
197:
l;
273:
15
commented
46:
s;
117:
lO;
160:
13;
196:
6;
198:
3;
227:
ll
commenting
210:
20
comments
48:
19;
67:
14;
68:
18;
70:
6,9,1S;
76:
4,
11,
12;
79:
13;
80:
1;
83:
1,
18;
84:
19;
85:
4,6,8,12,
15,17;
86:
15,17;
87:
2;
88:
s;
96:
18;
97:
7,9;
102:
3;
107:
14;
108:
12;
110:
16,
21;
111:
15;
115:
18;
116:
3,
4;
117:
s;
118:
9;
124:
4,19;
128:
15,20;
129:
20;
130:
10,15;
133:
7,16;
134:
1,8;
136:
19,20;
137:
1,9,14;
138:
3;
139:
lO;
149:
15,19;
lS1:
5;
152:
3,
11;
154:
21;
156:
s;
163:
19;
164:
2;
171:
16;
174:
9,22;
180:
11,20;
182:
16;
183:
9;
195:
22;
196:
3,8,9;
197:
2;
198:
5;
203:
8;
206:
16;
212:
2;
218:
9;
227:
9;
239:
22,22;
249:
l;
253:
3,3,4,4,9;
261:
lO;
262:
10,
15;
270:
13;
273:
18;
28O:
lO;
281:
6,9;
287:
13,
14;
294:
8;
299:
6,
10
Commerce
8:
7;
43:
6
commercial
42:
21
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OI'fmiSSiOn
42:
18
I
COmmiSSiOner
58~
22
commitment
200:
15,16
commitments
190:
9;
200:
14
committed
299:
1
Committee
6:
8;
37:
s;
63:
13;
68:
s;
88:
lO;
122:
7;
13S:
l;
145:
3;
168:
4,12;
172:
l;
187:
ll;
191:
2;
192:
22;
193:
3,4;
22522;
2309;
241:
20;
244:
4;
255:
14;
256:
3;
257:
3;
258:
1,3;
260:
1;
26815;
270:
17;
273:
22;
293:
7;
299:
4,13,19
committee's
244:
18
committees
62:
21
common
35:
19;
171:
11,
11;
214:
9
zommonwealth
8:
4
communicating
180:
lo
zommunication
259:
19
:
ommunities
5:
14;
!
2:
12;
84:
3,5;
89:
7;
186:
l;
188:
4;
198:
19;
200:
14;
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15:
10;
236:
16;
238:
15;
!
43:
11;
251:
17;
252:
2;
!
68:
18;
274:
11,13,
14,
17,
18;
277~
6;
280:
16;
282~
5;
!
83:
5.16,
17,
18,22;
19I:
ii;
196:
2;
210:
11,
12;
;
characterize
24~
2;
1
58:
I,
1
city's
212:
lO;
21:
5;
32:
43:
3;
i
clinic
274:
21
225:
7;
19;
231:
20;
23S:
l2;
253:
1,
17;
254:
ll;
;
cleaning
13:
5;
63:
s;
190:
4;
237:
22;
238:
12,
13;
269:
9,15;
277:
8
cleanup
10:
13,
16;
12:
9,
10,12;
13:
9,15;
15:
15,17,
22;
16:
1.
17;
17:
7,8,
15;
18:
2,4,7,8,
lii;
21:
12,
14;
22:
5,
5,
15;
26:
6,7,16;
29:
18;
34:
ll;
37:
14,
15;
42:
4;
43:
16;
44:
4;
45:
J,
20;
50:
5,6,15,17,21;
52:!.
14;
62:
16;
63:
lO;
73:
l;
91:
15;
94:
18;
96:
9:
166:
1,
3,
11;
179:
7,
11;
185:
7;
189:
20;
190:
3,
16;
201:
15;
228:
17;
234:
5;
245:
18;
250:
19;
251:
2,3,3,
10;
263:
21;
264:
9;
266:
l');
268:
16,21;
269:
3,
14;
270:
1,2,8;
271:
2,
11,14;
272:
3,7;
277:
3,
10.
11;
279:
2;
299:
1
cleanups
29:
10;
50:
13;
57:
9;
163:
5;
179:
3;
187:!
6;
265:
10;
273:
2
clear
33:
12;
40:
17;
70:
18;
73:
7;
77:
4,7,
14,
!
9;
78:
2,
2,22;
80:
2,
15,
19;
83:
5;
201:!
2,12,13;
202:
11,14;
204:
18
58:
5;
93:
15;
109:
17;
110:
8,
12
claim
3720
Clam
148:
18
CkIms
11:
22;
148:
19;
149:
3,6
clapping
57:
15;
!
10:
18
clarification
80:
9;
105:
16;
121:
14
clarifications
78:
21
clarified
237:
18
clarify
7022;
76:
12;
153:
7;
169:
16
clarifying
46:
3,7
clarity
loo:
14
Clean
17:
5;
2X:
17,19;
32:
2;
51:
13;
94:
3,19;
96:
lO;
101:
17;
179:
9;
185:
22;
188:
ll;
234:
6;
238:
2,3;
252:
3;
268:
20
Clean­
up
!
0:
1
cleaned
!!:
l!;
13:
19;
17:
12;
34:
9;
4917;
50:
8;
94:
20;
157:
9;
175:
14;
238:
5;
240:
15;
252:
12;
271:
15
clinics
297:
15
Clinton
55:
17
clock
27:
6
close
49:
6;
69:
2;
83:
2;
165:
20;
186:
15;
192:
lS;
219:
4;
226:
9;
238:
10;
27517;
290:
20;
291:
l;
294:
7
Closely
40:
19;
42:
17;
94:
2
ClOSer
226:
7;
238:
6
closest
193:
13
&
Sing
48:
17;
298:
8
Club
2:
6;
62:
20;
63:
2;
65:
3
co
3:
5,20,21,22
Co­
Chair
62:
19;
263:
14
co­
monitoring
143:
lo
coarse
18:
19,21
coast
56:
6;
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SUPERFUND
SUBCOMMITTEE
MEETING
HOLIDAY
INN
EXPRESS
concentration
282:
s
concept
23:
20;
43:
4,7;
99:
ll;
269:
5;
29O:
l
concern
14:
12;
41:
8;
84:
6;
87:
16;
102:
12;
103:
s;
119:
12;
162:
19;
171:
22;
187:
22;
217:
22;
294:
20
concerned
40:
9,10;
41:
3;
184:
s;
204:
2;
210:
12;
247:
19,20;
248:
lO;
273:
22
concerning
289:
13
concerns
38:
20;
40:
s;
103:
20;
115:
19;
144:
15;
202:
12;
245:
14;
281:
3;
288:
6
concert
32:
19
concise
134:
l;
138:
3
conclude
73:
16,
17
concluded
26:
20;
124:
7;
247:
s
concludes
73:
19
concluding
224:
ll
conclusion
120:
lO;
195:
5;
221:
4;
222:
19;
22419;
25812;
28712
conclusions
73:
13;
77:
4;
79:
3;
117:
3;
153:
15;
155:
9
96:
3,5
cons
121:
6;
131:
14;
188:
7
conscious
104:
16;
165:
5
consensus
13:
7;
15:
19;
45:
3;
79:
G;
119:
21;
120:
15;
121:
lS;
122:
3,14,
17;
131:
11,
13;
139:
12,16;
159:
17;
163:
12;
187:
4;
193:
7;
231:
2;
281:
16,
17,
18
Consent
37:
15,16,17,
19,19;
56:
10,11;
99:
18
consequence
194:
10
consequences
200:
12,
20;
210:
6,7;
212:
21,22;
213:
1,2,3;
221:
15;
247:
3;
293:
2
conservation
44:
ll
consider
75:
G;
141:
2;
177:
3;
219:
20;
226:
15;
244:
15;
256:
22
considerable
13:
6;
47:
3;
71:
1;
74:
14;
75:
1
consideration
209:
l;
232:
13,14;
250:
16
considerations
127:
s;
22512
considered
98:
21;
225:
14;
250:
10,
17
considering
212:
22
consistent
194:
2;
231:
4
constantly
103:
3;
286:
s
constitute
226:
2
constituting
18O:
l
constrained
136:
9;
178:
4;
207:
lS
constraining
252:
7
constraint
180:
2
constraints
207:
s;
228:
9;
268:
12;
289:
7
constructed
35~
7;
109:
20
constructing
18:
lS;
21:
s;
93:
20
construction
19:
20;
j4:
5,
14;
35:
9,
18;
36:
1,3;
contamination
11:
s;
coordination
96:
16;
49:
2;
52:
lO;
53:
7;
1OO:
lO;
191:
13,20
101:
22;
102:
ll;
11O:
l;
Coordinator
9:
20
238:
16;
269:
16;
270:
3,7;
'
66:
14,
14;
288:
15,
17,21,22;
295:
7,
Cope
2:
7;
56:
9;
145:
12:
175:
22;
192:
20;

103:
7
contijnues
14:
5
288:
16,17;
289:
2;
290:
17;
297:
16;
299:
2
Community
2:
13;
6:
11;
7:
8,11;
8:
9;
9:
20;
24:
ll;
38:
14,20;
39:
20;
40:
3;
41:
15;
42:
5,6;
45:
21;
9
64:
18;
65:
9,
10;
91:
1,4;
contending
76:
19
94:
ll;
95:
3;
96:
20;
97:
3;
content
114:
13;
115:
12
102:
7,20;
104:
7;
168:
20;
contents
112:
9
170:
9;
171:
6;
184:
12;

187:
9,
13;
188:
14,19;
context
84:
lS;
89:
ll;

189:
9,
13,16;
190:
12;
96:
19;
108:
14,
16,
19;

191:
12,18;
210:
7;
213:
15;
113:
2,
11;
125:
9;
128:
3;

215:
17;
216:
21;
217:
3;
132:
20;
150:
16;
155:
12;

246:
9,
17;
264:
20,21;
172:
5,8;
189:
17;
262:
14;

265:
2,5;
269:
10,17;
289:
3
274:
1,4;
275:
4,10;
contiguous
107:
15
276:
15;
277:
12,13,20;
continental
8:
9
278:
4,10,15;
279:
8,10,
continue
46:
4;
48:
15,
18;
15;
280:
9;
282:
13;
283:
11,
54:
18;
83:
11,
20;
120:
18;
12,
14;
284:
16,19;
285:
16;
131:
16;
145:
4;
173:
l;
286:
ll;
287:
19;
288:
15;
178:
13;
184:`);
195:
18;
289:
11,20;
291:
17;
213:
10;
252~
17;
253:
6;
292:
lS;
294~
5;
296:
7;
260:
4;
270:
6
297:
9
CONTINUED
3:
1;
4:
1;
community's
283:
lO
community­
at­
large
43:
17
continuing
109:
4;
companies
287:
l
113:
13;
120:
4;
129:
22;

Company
4:
7;
33:
3,
19,
144:
5'.
156:
2;
223:
2
concrete
161:
8,9
i
20;
103:
l
contihuity
69:
11
compare
218:
3
condition
46:
12;
82:
15
contract
35:
ll;
200:
17
comparison
33:
17
conditions
40:
1;
47:
11;
cant
d
acted
25:
15
compensating
33:
16
49:
22;
50:
1
conduit
28:
17;
29:
2
contracting
179:
20
compete
247:
22;
248:
2
competing
225:
2
conference
63:
15;
contractor
S5:
12
contrary
11:
17;
212:
15;
complained
30:
22
131:
s;
22O:
lO
213:
s
complete
22:
11,13;
conferences
264:
s
contribute
91:
3.6;
26:
6;
27:
11;
31:
15;
35:
8,
confidential
267:
11,16,
103:
16;
109:
5
14;
36:
8,9,
14,
15,20,21;
18
contributing
103:
6
37:
4,4;
43:
15;
68:
15;
confined
23:
21;
24:
21;

122:
3;
229:
16,16
38:
11;
52:
13;
53:
5;
92:
3
contributions
62~
6;
247:
1
completed
20:
3;
28:
lS;
confirm
141:
17
control
106:`);
235:
13;
30:
17;
91:
15;
95:
17
confirmation
141:
16
completely
189:
7;
confirmatory
22:
14
controlled
109:
3
191:
11;
203:
16;
276:
9
conflict
90%;
141:
14
completion
40:
14;
105:
4;
controlling
109:
3;
conflicts
277:
l
207:
15
171:
4;
229:
lS
complex
23:
16;
38:
5,6;
conformational
50:
3
controls
271:
4
89:
4;
120:
7;
135:
22
conforming
94:
3
171:
4;
173:
12
controversy
lS:
l3;
16:
3;

complexity
295:
11
confused
98:
4,19;
consultant
274:/
t;
293:
G
231:
19
152:
15;
177:
5,7
consultation
284:
6
convened
220~
5
complicated
16:
lO;
120:
s
confusing
153:
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179:
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223:
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230:
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280:
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134:
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92:
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149:
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248:
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40:
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240:
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128:
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233:
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213:
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51:
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113:
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27:
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64:
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16:
2;
23:
21;
24:
22;
52:
14,16;
53:
5,8;
92:
4;
107:
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268:
14;
270:
19,20;
278:
6;
279:
1,
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294:
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295:
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11:
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18:
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92:
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20;
95:
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98:
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107:
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188:
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189:
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263:
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275:
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11:
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86:
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251:
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174:
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185:
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212:
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230:
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233:
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236:
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12:
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246:
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167:
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282:
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166:
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272:
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138:
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226:
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53:
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5:
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18:
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233:
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299:
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282:
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294:
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29:
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32:
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36:
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81:
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147:
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43:
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239:
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83:
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86:
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88:
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248:
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251:
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252:
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268:
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104:
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134:
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l67:
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222:
22;
245:
2;
256:
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72:
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89:
12;
259:
11;
268:
9;
292:
15
265:
19;
291:
20
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5:
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72:
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218:
13;
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93:
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248:
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149:
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9:
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56:
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87:
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106:
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156:
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60:
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10
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12:
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17:
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90:
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252:
12
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lo:
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102:
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9:
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86:
3;
89:
6;
97:
3;
103:
21;
104:
7;
135:
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162:
11;
163:
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166:
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169:
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176:
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187:
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188:
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189:
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198:
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200:
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218:
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246:
14;
263:
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268:
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270:
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275:
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278:
6,
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279:
4;
294:
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295:
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241:
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132:
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260:
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215:
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48:
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75:
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242:
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67:
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205:
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16:
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27:
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110:
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137:
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166:
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178:
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193:
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296:
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198:
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142:
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147:
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149:
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165:
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190:
22;
191:
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208:
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212:
17;
216:
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238:
6;
255:
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256:
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296:
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296:
15
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91:
20
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82:
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34:
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129:
18;
228:
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19:
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20:
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6:
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71:
12;
73:
12;
81:
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88:
22;
89:
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108:
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112:
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121:
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15;
124:
15;
128:
15;
132:
16;
139:
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140:
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158:
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179:
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181:
2;
196:
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198:
17;
253:
17;
257:
19;
261:
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296:
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299:
15
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80:
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270:
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287:
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81:
14;
83:
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13:
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107:
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194:
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16;
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86:
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103:
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116:
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168:
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181:
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182:
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195:
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199:
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253:
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290:
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49:
14;
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111:
11;
117:
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150:
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152:
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172:
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198:
22;
223:
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79:
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131:
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132:
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133:
14;
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14;
136:
17;
150:
4;
152:
8,
16;
153:
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13,
19,22;
154:
12;
155:
19;
156:
12;
164:
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11;
165:
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11;
171:
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193:
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168:
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68:
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88:
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138:
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144:
12;
151:
22;
190:
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221:
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263:
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169:
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174:
20;
186:
18;
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162:
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203:
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210:
14;
217:
7;
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118:
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283:
19;

225:
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265:
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289:
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269:
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102:
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98:
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155:
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156:
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268:
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263:
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211:
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improve
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129:
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113:
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83:
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34:
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45:
12;
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12,
16,
17,
18,
18.
19,
21;
63:
3,4;
65:
9,
10,
11;
70:
1,
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142:
15;
148:
7;
167:
19,22;
173:
13;
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14,
17,20;
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208:
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212:
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215:
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219:
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286:
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124:
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92:
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232:
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39:
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76:
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61:
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14;
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17;
159:
20;
160:
s;
167:
17;
216:
14;
242:
12;
243:
15;
2619;
298:
6
13;
66:
13;
157:
14;
162:
l;
175:
l;
177:
6;
183:
2;
185:
s
Manager
10:
3,9,
II;
63:
s;
201:
5;
214:
lO;
222:
14;
244:
s;
246:
3
managers
9:
19;
92:
21;
93:
3;
199:
1
managing
158:
2;
199:
l;
209:
19
mandate
283:
1
mandated
275:
17;
292:
5
manner
93:
22;
272:
7
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98:
17;
286122
manufacturers
1
lo:
6
many
11:
13;
15:
9;
39:
13;
59:
12;
60:
13;
63:
9;
70:
9;
24:
21;
96:
4;
97:
7;
104:
15;
120:
7;
132:
lO;
144:
9;
147:
6;
149:
l;
174:
4;
182:
16;
187:
11;
211:
10;
228118;
239:
12;
250:
3;
264:
s;
265:
5,
14;
286:
15,
15;
288:
17;
289:
7,8;
!
97:
22
nap
14:
1
ularch
3o:
lS;
31:
15;
i5:
15
narches
102113
nargin
116:
6
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25714
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165:
22
ilarianne
208:
19
narine
11:
21;
32:
15;
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17;
35:
7;
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13:
5;
75:
17;
16:
s
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lark61:
9;
62:
1;
135:
13;
67:
13,15
larked
186:
9;
267:
lo,
1
295:
10,
11
maximize
89:
20;
178:
lO
maximizing
39:
9
maximum
36:
ls
may
5:
20;
6:
20;
10:
14;
11:
8;
58:
12,
12;
62:
4;
63:
20;
73:
14;
74:
18,19,
20;
75:
15;
80:
7,
11;
82:
7;
88:
5;
90:
10;
108:
12;
109:
lO;
117:
5;
126:
19,21;
131:
14;
135:
16,
18;
137:
21;
163:
4;
171:
ll;
173:
7;
X95:
16;
209:
15;
211:
21;
227:
9,
17;
245:
20;
256:
1,
13,
13;
258:
7;
259:
17;
260:
3;
272~
22;
275:
19;
278:
11,
11;
279:
20;
292:
14;
293:
2
maybe
45:
4;
56:
16;
59:
ll;
62:
s;
67:
20;
73:
13;
79:
l;
106:
12;
107:
3;
132:
ll;
153:
6;
154:
15;
160:
21;
163:
7;
165:
9,
12;
167:
22;
168:
13;
170:
15;
171:
2;
176:
l;
177:
8,9,
11,
14;
180:
21;
181:
13;
186:
20:
189:
lS;
190:
4;
192:
7;
193:
22;
213:
3;
22117;
222:
13,
13;
236:
12;
237:
1,6;
239:
2;
241:
21;
243:
20;
255:
21;
257~
17;
258:
15;
260:
4;
283:
4,5;
288:
1,3
Mayo
3:
21;
59:
3,
10;
67:
2,
2;
69:
19,22;
147:
15,19;
148:
8,
10,13;
149:
2;
187:
21;
190:
20;
191:
5;
132:
17;
211:
11
Mayor
5:
15;
6:
5,6,8;
9:
6,
11;
12:
lO;
15:
12;
21:
2;
57:
19,21;
67:
17;
88:
9,
13,
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6,
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213:
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214:
22;

216:
3,7;
217:
3,15,
19;
225:
ll;
227:
15;
231:
7;

235:
4;
244:
20;
245:
17,
19;
246:
10,14;
249~
9;
251:
22;
254:
21;
259:
s;
273:
9;
275:
21;
280:
14;
282:
19;
283:
4;
286:
14,21;
287:
3;
292:
20;
294:
14;
295:
9;
296:
20,21
meaning
71:
22;
175:
2;
243:
17;
276:
ll;
290:
2
meaningful
90:
19;
161:
2;
166:
6;
223:
5;
280:
4
means
16:
19;
90:
10;
112:
13;
163:
16;
164:
17;
177:
14;
179:
19;
189:
17;
223:
16;
235:
14;
263~
22;
t75:
20,21;
276:
15,19;
282:
17,21;
283:
1,2,5
meant
102:
16;
153:
16;
172:
14;
209:
18
neantime
51:
13
neasurable
48:
7
neasure
7:
s;
12:
7;
18:
10;
22:
1;
45:
16;
50:
12;
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7:
2;
90:
20;
94:
16
neasured
46:
14;
186:
io
neasurements
269:
20;
!
70:
5
neasures
22:
2,4
neasuring
91:
14;
136:
l;
54:
ll;
170:
3;
171:
3;
87:
9;
191:
14
nechanical
25:
17,
17,
22;
118:
21
mechanically
116:~

mechanism
14:
13;
264:
22
Media
9:
20;
194:
13;
284:
12
mediate
92:
15
medical
4
1:
15;
237:
15;
275:
l
Medicare
206:
21
Medicine
275:
2;
278:
21
medium
168:
21;
269:
16
meet
5:
12;
17:
17;
62:
12;
63:
3;
69:
19;
86:
18;
101:
19;
177:
9;
200:
19;
252~
7
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l:
S,
9;
5:
6,8;
38:
lS;
60:
10,
12,
18,20;
63:
14;
69:
1,
10;
81:
9;
83:
6,
13;
85:
12;
88:
20;
104:
lO;
111:
5,8,20;
115:
s;
121:
20,21;
125:
l;
128:
12;
130:
8,
18;
140:
17;
141:
lO;
144:
3;
183:
4,
11;
197:
5;
211:
6;
220:
4;
235:
17,21;
237:
19;
241:
5;
258:
7,
10;
259:
16;
260:
17;
261:
4,5,
15;
294:
15;
300:
3
meetings
7:
4;
60:
14;
Y3:
14,
15;
94:
22;
111:
3,4,
5,
12;
113:
6;
131:
9;
140:
16,
18,
18;
141:
21;

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NEW
BEDFORD,
MA
NACEP'I'
SUPERFUND
SUBCOMMI'ITEE
MEETING
June
17,2003
HOLIDAY
INN
EXPRESS
222122
mega
98:
2;
105:
8,9;
118:
14;
154:
7,9;
157:
21;
158:
2,4,6;
159:
5,10,14,
15;
160:
5,6;
161:
11;
164:
9,13;
165:
3,5;
170:
2,
22;
189:
2,3;
194:
10,16;
215:
22;
216:
1,8
megas
206:
3
Mel
3:
s;
66:
5;
177:
19;
213:
22;
226:
21;
227:
5,8;
241:
lS
member
7:
s;
69:
8,9;
143:
12;
241:
19;
274:
3;
289:
20
members
58:
l;
61:
9,11;
68:
21;
84:
22;
85:
6,14;
91:
l;
143:
20;
145:
7;
147:
5;
185:
16,17;
256:
15;
258:
7;
259:
l;
264:
21;
265:
lS;
273:
6;
281:
lS;
295:
20,22
membership
61:
s;
62:
3
memory
99:
5
Memphis
273:
15,18,21
284:
3
men
275:
19
Menoyo
58:
22;
68:
2
mention
25:
l;
31:
4;
35:
6;
45:
6;
47:
s;
184:
15;
192:
21
mentioned
17:
20;
29:
s;
30:
9;
34:
13;
40:
19;
42:
10,
21;
53:
20;
55:
ll;
100:
19;
112:
14;
132:
15;
157:
l;
223:
12;
229:
14;
241:
7;
250:
17;
252:
20;
294:
ll
mentioning
249:
6
menu
17:
s
mere
96:
5
merely
193:
22;
195:
4
Meridian
3:
20,21,22;
64:
8,
11;
67:
2;
113:
3;
129:
3;
13O:
l
Meridian/
Ross
131:
21
mess
31:
17,
18;
260:
2,
21;
292:
lO
messages
15:
14;
131:
22
messes
63:
9
met
177:
18,
18;
241:
s;
264:
s
method
92:
3
methods
179:
20
Mexico
65:
6,11
MI
2:
21
Michael
3:
2,12;
4:
7
Michigan
64:
lS;
105:
10,
17
microphone
262:
12;
26311
mid90s
45:
2
mid­
process
40:
7
middle
152:
17;
162:
2,3;
179:
8,
13;
207:
lO;
248:
9;
250:
s;
264:
20;
270:
7
38:
20;
40:
6;
43:
lO;
44:
lS;
45:
11;
54:
1,9;
59:
3;
72:
1;
78:
10,
19;
81:
13,13;
82:
18;
84:
1;
86:
15;
87:
6;
112:
ll;
116:
13;
137:
9;

151:
l;
155:
16;
161:
14;
164:
21;
166:
22;
169:
s;
176:
22;
178:
17,
18;
181:
9,
15;
215:
15;
221:
21,22;
225:
ll;
227:
16;
245:
ll;
253:
2;
27218
migrate
47:
6
mike
34:
22;
58:
2;
65:
lS;
66:
12;
67:
19,
19;
97:
lO;
108:
lS;
109:
13;
156:
3;
160:
11,
14;
163:
11,16;
164:
3;
165:
15;
174:
22;
182:
21;
186:
14;
208:
22;
222:
16;
223:
17;
224:
14;
231:
lS;
234:
14;
236:
9
mikes
149:
19
Mildred
2:
22;
136:
5;
143:
9
mile
19:
5,7;
20:
12;
47:
17;
284:
16
miles
96:
7;
98:
11
milestone
31:
14
military
107:
9;
270:
22
mill
44:
22
million
ll:
ll,
15;
12:
2;
15:
s;
19:
l;
23:
18;
26:
lO;
27:
16;
29:
16;
34:
5;
36:
22;
37:
3,5,5,
10,
13,
18,22;
45:
9;
49:
12;
50:
17;
53:
21;
54:
5,5,7,7,9,
10,15,15,
16;
55:
20,21;
104:
13;
106:
22;
149:
l;
179:
5,7;
230:
7;
286:
6
millions
106:
11,
11;
289:
16,17,
17;
2946
mills
44:
14
mind
44:
lS;
80:
4;
114:
3;
125:
19;
147:
12;
177:
15;
183:
21;
221:
lS;
233:
lS;
269:
7
mindful
233:
4
minds
103:
4
mine
51:
l;
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283:
l
minimal
49:
lS
minimizes
271:
ll
Minimizing
26:
lS
minor
210:
15
minority
84:
4,6
minus
26:
22,22;
28:
s
minute
51:
12;
61:
14;
78:
12;
79:
17;
81:
19;
87:
l;
88:
9;
115:
20;
211:
s;
255:
lO;
256112
minutes
59:
21;
88:
17;
134:
19,21;
135:
18,21;
137:
21;
143:
4;
151:
10,
18;
180:
19;
218:
s;
253~
13;
254:
9,
15;
255:
11,22;
256:
4;
268:
9;
286:
21
mirages
290:
12
miscellaneous
255:
lO
might
16:
3,21;
37:
5,10;
1
mega
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Natural
(
16)
misnomer
179:
lS
misrepresentative
193:
16
missed
136:
13;
234:
15
misses
220:
10
missing
133:
lS;
150:
7;
220:
1
misspoke
46:
22
mistake
285:
12
mitigate
17:
ll
mitigation
17:
13
Mittelholzer
3:
2;
65:
18,
18;
186:
14,17;
189:
12;
190:
21
mixed
288:
s
mixtures
288:
lO
modeled
282:
7
modeling
17:
lS
Model1
58:
6
modified
78:
7
modify
192:
l;
227:
6
Moe
138:
15
Mohawk
2:
lS;
64:
16
mold
293:
ll
Molly
3:
21;
57:
20;
59:
9;
67:
1,2;
69:
17;
70:
13;
78:
12;
81:
8;
85:
18;
113:
21;
147:
13;
15O:
ll;
191:
3;
192:
13;
280:
2
moment
18:
20;
37:
9;
205:
ll;
209:
19;
272:
lO
monetary
184:
14
money
20:
5;
37:
9;
42:
14;
55:
4,
13,14,
18,22;
56:
5;
57:
s;
95:
5;
103:
22;
105:
l;
158:
21;
162:
12;
167:
7;
173:
16,
18;
174:
l;
179:
17;
204:
4,
13;
209:
13;
210:
16;
221:
9,
13,
1.4;
230:
19;
23611;
239:
9;
242:
13;
265:
9;
266:
12;
268:
17,21;
269:
3,11;
280:
15,22;
286:
5;
294~
5
monies
95~
2;
270:
22;
274:
11,
12
monitoring
22:
18,21;
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23:
2,3,5,6,7,8;
40:
10;
263:
21;
264:
5
monopolizes
76:
5
month
286:
15
monthly
40:
22
months
l&
18;
102:
17,
21;
118:
13;
146:
6;
198:
14;
211:
7;
24
j:
7;
245:
2
morale
214:
ll
more
16:
13;
17:
22;
19:
2,
18,22;
20:
19,22;
21:
4,11;
26:
5;
29:
4,21;
49:
21;
50:
22;
52~
20;
53:
15;
54:
4,
5;
57:
s;
58:
21;
68:
6;
70:
2,
9,
11;
71:
11;
77:
1,2,8,11,
12,12.21;
80:
21;
81:
7;
82:
13;
86:
8,
10,
II,
17;
87:
13,
13;
92:
9;
93:
11;
94:
2,9;
76:
7,
17;
108:
lO;
113:
6,12;
115:
19;
116:
s;

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Script@
125:
22;
126:
5,
13;
128:
ll;
1
32:
7,
20;
34:
12;
107:
i;
129:
6;
131:
lO;
132:
12;
131:
6;
137:
20;
217:
l;
135:
19;
139:
13,
16;
140:
s;
238:
1/
t;
240:
6;
244:
17;
142:
l;
143:
lO;
145:
lO;
147:
17;
153:
22;
156:
13;
157:
2,8;
158:
21;
161:
16;
162:
17;
163:
7,7,20;
164:
7;
168:
15;
171:
2;
175:
6;
177:
ll;
179:
3,11,
13,16,
17;
182:
21;
183:
12;
186:
12;
187:
12,
13;
188:
19;
193:
22;
195:
4;
197:
15;
2OO:
lS;
2046,
18;
205:
19,21;
206:
lO;
209:
12;
211:
lS;
213:
7;
214:
3;
215:
2,7;
220:
7.
18;
221:
13,
13,
18;
222:
5;
224:
17;
225'
10;
226'
13;
228:
lS;
230:
19;
231:
6;
233:
17;
236:
2,14;
238:
19;
239:
9;
240:
2,9,
12;
241:
10,11,21;
242:
lO;
245:
2;
249:
21;
251:
4;
261:
7;
265:
2;
268:
14,21;
269:
3,
14;
270:
14,
17;
272~
7;
287:
s;
289:
15;
299:
14
morning
5:
6;
6:
4,7;
9:
lO;
10:
7;
48:
14;
57:
13;
67:
7,9;
88:
11;
89:
3;
93:
9;
104:
13;
110~
22;
113112;
131:
io;
135:
9;
140:
3,
13;
141:
20;
142:
21;
170%;
185:
5;
246:
lO;
254:
10,
12,13,16,
18;
256:
7;
299:
14
morning's
6:
19
most
12:
15;
13:
20;
16:
9;
27:
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28:
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41:
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164:
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182:
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186:
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207:
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233:
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234:
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262:
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265:
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76:
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84:
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176:
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287:
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298:
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285:
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263:
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274:
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131:
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142:
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156:
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226:
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279:
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281:
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284:
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288:
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294:
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15;
299:
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92:
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12,
15;
94:
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39:
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95:
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35:
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92:
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11:
96:
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258:
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63:
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181:
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223:
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281:
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260:
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158:
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64:
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273:
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278:
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295:
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59:
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10:
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194:
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62:
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104:
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269:
13;
271:
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286:
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289:
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178:
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186:
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192:
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222:
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225:
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238:
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239:
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256:
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102:
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19,21;
10:
3,3,9,
11;

139:
20;
140:
7;
144:
4;
21:
22;
22:
3;
23:
17;
26:
4;

151:
4;
183:
lO;
197:
13,22;
27:
ll;
36:
20;
38:
4;
40:
14;

201:
6;
203:
3;
204:
17;
45:
17;
54:
12;
90:
21;
92:
8,

209:
4;
213:
13,19;
216:
16,
10,21;
93:
3,21;
94:
7,9,

19,21;
217:
5;
218:
16;
10;
95:
16;
96:
l;
98:
11,
12;

219:
3;
226:
12;
233:
15,
17;
101:
16;
103:
17;
105:
3,
14;

238:
14;
239:
20;
241:
6;
11O:
lO;
199:
l;
246:
3;

242:
16;
252:
l;
257:
20;
258:
21
258:
ll;
259:
21;
260:
1,5,
project's
12:
7
9;
261:
l;
265:
3,8,11;
projects
25:
5;
54:
l;
266:
2,7,10,
10,17;
268:
2,
63:
11;
89:
4;
90:
10;
92:
11;
13,14,21;
269:
4;
272:
13;
94:
4;
102:
1;
104:
16,22;
285:
3;
286:
15;
287:
9,
11;
264:
4
289:
2,4,6,8,
11,22;

290:
3,5,9
promote
96:
17
processes
50:
10;
118:
l;
promotion
43:
13
265:
15;
272:
lS;
298:
19
pronounce
262:
22
produce
20:
s;
72:
15;
proper
212:
10
129:
4
properties
44:
9;
90:
15
producing
126:
15
property
7:
7;
42:
19;

producf
8:
12;
32:
22;
52:
20;
90:
22;
91:
3,5,9,11
73:
15;
112:
ll;
132:
16;
prophecy
204:
7
261:
s
proposal
l/
11:
16;
193:
s;

production
26:
15;
27:
4,
215:
12;
224:
s
8;
36:
lS
proposals
120:
13;

products
75:
5;
125:
2
136:
17
professional
233:
21;
propose
132:
20;
201:
15;

235:
19;
25O:
l
212:
l
profile
215:
2
proposed
11O:
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141:
9;

program
47:
14;
48:
1;
198:
17
62:
16;
63:
lO;
94:
19;
proposing
201:
16;

132:
6,7;
135:
7,20;
136:
l;
I
213:
14;
221:
5
154:
11,
13;
156:
19,21,21;
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178:
8
158:
2,3,
10;
159:
3,
15;
pros
121:
6;
131:
14;
188:
6
PRP
270:
1
PRPS
37:
15,21;
101:
12;
173:
2;
216:
l;
217:
4;
236:
15;
265:
6
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117:
2
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2:
16;
5:
7;
38:
4,
13,
18,
19;
41:
10;
45:
5;
60:
10;
65:
14;
72:
21;
89:
20;
94:
16;
96:
17;
142:
4,7;
143:
16;
144:
7,8,
10,14;
185:
17;
187:
6,6,
18;
188:
4;
189:
6;
190:
6,9,
17;
210:
11,12;
212:
10;
213:
19;
227:
13;
228:
4;
239:
17,22;
252122;
25314,
9,17;
25514;
256:
5;
26218,
10;
264:
5,5,11,
11,
13;
265:
3,
10,
12,
12,17;
266:
14,
17;
267:
4;
268:
2,
5;
270:
13;
27215;
273:
8;
276:
9,
10;
277112;
280:
3,
4;
282:
17,19,20,21;
283:
2;
291:
lO;
297:
11,
13,
14;
298:
10,20
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186:
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38:
21;
113:
14
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48:
9;
254:
17
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71:
7;
116:
17,
18;
155:
l;
164:
3;
278:
19;
293:
13
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71:
5;
I
17:
4;
258:
17
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170:
20,22
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20:
19
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18:
17;
19:
5,
14;
21:
15,16,
19;
25:
21
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31:
6;
93:
6
pun
228:
13
269:
3;
274:
13,20;
276117,
278:
3,
14,
1Y;
283:
16;
285:
4;
286:
1,6;
289:
15
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3:
7;
65:
22,22;
156:
4,
16;
169:
12;
208:
1Y,
22;
209:
9,
20;
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10;
211:
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212:
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213:
4;
240:
10,
11
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166:
Y
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36:
13;
76:
8;
219:
18;
220:
15;
228:
3,4
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79:
lO;
143.8;
156:
17;
157:
3;
171:
l;
211:
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212:
7;
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221:
8.241:
1;
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298:
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160:
16,20;
166:
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167:
21;
170:
3;
171:
3,
18;
172:
22;
173:
2,12;
176:
12;
178:
3,6,
15;
181:
13;
182:
19;
187:
9;
188:
13;
190:
5;
191:
14;
193:
21;
198:
21;
201:
4;
204:
15;
prospective
5:
lO;
11:
7;
41:
14;
174:
16;
184:
2;
235:
19;
237:
13;
251:
15
prospectives
251:
19
protect
94:
16
protecting
290:
17
punished
247:
13
purely
12:
4
purgatory
217:
13;
247:
12,
13
purpose
83:
6;
88:
14,
15;
124:
16;
204:
16;
217:
19;
283:
16
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190:
lO
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44:
12
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loo:
4
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120:
18;
131:
16;
227:
7
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261:
16
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223:
6
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120:
13
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11:
7;
16:
18;
28:
17;
31:
1;
41:
4,5;
53:
5;
55:
13,
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15:
4;
17:
17,22:
7,
20;
23:
s.
10;
2712,
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49:
19;
62:
17;
126:
5;
235:
13
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233:
21
quantities
2511
quantity
1266
quarters
1686
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15:
ll;
4Y:
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56:
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59:
10,15,
18;
61:
20;
62:
8;
103:
2;
186:
17;
23G:
lO;
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6
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256:
8
quickly
26:
15;
74:
6;
78:
20;
102:
17;
105:
2;
124:
6;
131:
16;
196:
17;
214:
20;
234:
5,6;
237:
12
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205:
7
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60:
11;
278:
Y
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13:
12;
14:
5;
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75:
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57:
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6;
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112:
15;
117:
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170:
8;
202:
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228:
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257:
20;
286:
18
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146:
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147:
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267:
14
207:
15;
218:
22;
219:
21;
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3:
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222:
14;
227:
16,
9:
22;
32:
3;
59:
l;
66:
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17,19;
228:
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229:
1,
77:
3
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230:
18;
237:
14,21;
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95:
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238122;
239:
6;
240:
15;
243:
18;
244:
3;
246:
16;
protocol
111:
15
252:
6,
15;
257:
8,9;
271~
3
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45:
16;
252:
6;
297:
4
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158:
16
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25:
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38:
15;
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75:
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78:
13,
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96:
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58:
13,13;
60:
17;
75:
14;
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85:
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86:
16;
96:
18;
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79:
10;
81:
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144:
14;
150:
16;
152:
18;
102:
21;
108:
22;
111:
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73:
l;
96:
16;
132:
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172:
5;
264:
22;
266:
6;
112:
7;
114:
ll;
120:
4;
135:
lO;
162:
12,
18,20;
280:
16
139:
21;
145:
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157:
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163:
l;
166:
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168:
22;
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173:
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176:
22;
177:
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178:
5,
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185:
3;
187:
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273:
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174:
l;
189:
16;
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4;
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257:
4
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285:
16.
17
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284:
17
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92:
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20:
18;
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43:
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57:
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15;
178:
20;
194:
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220:
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107:
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154:
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17;
181.3.
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188:
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39:
15;
252:
22
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207:
20;
209:
7,8;
219:
7;
220:
6;
221:
13:
113112;
161:
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189:
19;
190:
3,
16;
201:
lY;
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197:
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230:
15;
242:
5;
25O:
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procedurally
146:
l9
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202:
2;
227:
22;
228:
1;
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288:
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6:
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179:
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189:
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175:
16;
220:
6
reality
175:
18,19;
190:
I
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95.13
rampant
268:
2
random
147:
10
range
250:
9;
269:
16,
270:
7,
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209:
11,
12
16;
209:
1
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239:
11;
268:
22;
269:
9,
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107:
22
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17:
15;
20:
16;
26:
17;
28:
lO;
29:
12;
3l:
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34:
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38:
22;
39:
17;
44:
18;
47:
15;
49:
19;
51:
6;
63:
21;
71:
8;
79:
9;
80:
14,
18;
81:
19;
82:
9;
86:
19;
87:
3.20;
91:
22;
93:
17;
104:
3;
114:
12;
121:
17;
123:
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18;
125:
5;
126:
5,9,
13;
130:
17;
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137:
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140:
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144:
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149:
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150:
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151:
16,
19,22;
157:
13,
17,
19;
161:
3;
162:
l;
164:
14;
166:
4,20;
167:
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168:
16;
169:
13;
177:
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7;
180:
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181:
3;
183:
20;
184:
10;
196:
18,20;
205:
6;
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214:
20;
215:
5;
216:
2;
217:
19,20;
229:
2;
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234:
6;
236:
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237:
3,
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247:
6;
248:
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249:
16;
251:
15;
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258:
14;
266:
21;
2675;
268:
3;
270:
10,
18;
271:
14;
277:
19;
280:
10;
281:
5,
18;
282:
4;
283:
17;
288:
ll;
292:
19;
294:
l
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2O:
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52:
8;
53:
16;
56:
19;
58:
9;
124:
18;
159:
21;
164:
21;
172:
18;
173:
20;
229:
1,20;
244:
21;
261:
2;
285:
3;
293:
18
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106:
17
reasons
59;
53:
17;
61:
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108%;
195:
6;
197:
20;
229:
12
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37:
20
rate
20:
5;
27:
4,
9;
36:
10,
18
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42.20;
292~
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26:
15;
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32:
20;
77:
6:
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86:
17;
122:
l;
171:
ll;
177:
lS:
205:
13;
214:
17;
24
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22;
268:
20
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176:
6;
234:
3
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64:
4;
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112:
5;
113:
3;
120:
6;
128:
19;
129:
7;
132:
15;
133:
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151:
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181:
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131:
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121:
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112:
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23:
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214:
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243:
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105:
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134:
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72:
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114:
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158:
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164:
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180:
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194:
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199:
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207:
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221:
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212:
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258:
18;
263:
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269:
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277:
18;
296:
18
183:
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82:
20
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83:
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171:
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266:
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188:
17
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88:
21;
95:
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43:
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9:
3,8,
14
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216:
22;
219:
1,
12;
267:
14
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5:
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2:
18;
64:
16
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198:
16
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86:
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275:
17;
280:
13;
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170:
4
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39:
11
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265:
6;
266:
9
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91:
17
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53:
22
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246:
15
reinforce
173:
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184:
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67:
14;
184:
20
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161~
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209:
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212:
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209:
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13:
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289:
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145:
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93:
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214:
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215:
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237:
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243:
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258:
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260~
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262:
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293:
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295:
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43:
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50:
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264:
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293:
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284:
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255:
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281:
16;
283:
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297:
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65:
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122:
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102:
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103:
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236:
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143:
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192:
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38:
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92:
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29:
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48:
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105:
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151:
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29:
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7:
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55:
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90:
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41:
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90:
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240:
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43:
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158:
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204:
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213:
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215:
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221:
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227:
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290:
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165:
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177:
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194:
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144:
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260:
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37:
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274:
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279:
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84:
12;
90:
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105:
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120:
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129:
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130:
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199:
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230:
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100:
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209:
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48:
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57:
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147:
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148:
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9:
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263:
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48:
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179:
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261:
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95:
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93:
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184:
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260:
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140:
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141:
15;
145:
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270:
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42:
18;
95:
12
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21:
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42:
15;
43:
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97:
5
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16:
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44:
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101:
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115:
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218:
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232:
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236:
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289:
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290:
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289:
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290:
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85:
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130:
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183:
19;
195:
16
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244:
14
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92:
15
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173:
14;
174:
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87:
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88:
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171:
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81:
21
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178:
14
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48:
5
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249:
19
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9:
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10:
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59:
3;
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2:
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13:
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129:
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172:
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202:
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51:
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135:
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210:
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35:
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40:
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43:
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44:
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46:
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56:
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153:
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159:
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160:
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161:
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165:
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167:
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175:
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181:
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191:
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192:
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193:
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195:
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207:
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208:
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211:
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212:
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213:
2;
215:
4;
221:
16;
222~
14;
226:
17;
236:
6,9;
243:
14;
244:
10,
21;
245:
19;
246:
ll;
253:
ll;
255:
11,
15;
256:
8,
10;
257:
15;
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262:
6,
12;
263:
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280:
2;
285:
3,22
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233:
17;
236:
14
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267:
1
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14:
ll;
15:
2;
41:
13,
16;
50:
14,19;
51:
2;
82:
7;
157:
14;
162:
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174:
22;
177:
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14;
183:
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185:
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201:
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217:
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222:
6;
223:
15;
231:
19;
233:
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244:
15;
249:
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8,10,
12;
251:
1,9;
252:
2,
2;
282:
3;
288:
14,
18,21;
298:
3
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243:
17
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11:
18,19;
14:
1,7,8,
10,
18,
18,21;
15:
l;
17:
12,
14;
45:
15,15;
222:
18;
248:
3;
282:
12;
288:
20
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244:
14
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14:
20;
29:
21;
30:
14,
21;
31:
5,20,21;
44:
5;
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52:
21;
64:
17;
98:
8,8;
101:
4
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30:
16;
31:
2,7,
10,
22
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29:
21
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44:
2,6
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44:
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3:
4;
65:
20
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176:
4;
186:
12,12;
188:
l;
214:
21;
239:
2
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2:
15
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3:
14;
66:
9
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4:
5;
143:
12;
296:
12
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263:
1,
14,
15;
269:
12;
271:
8,13,21;
286:
13,
22;
289:
12;
295:
7
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4,
11,16;
17:
7;
99:
9,9;
102:
14;
123:
9,
17;
248:
5;
251:
1,8
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78:
8;
153:
4;
187:
2;
188:
19;
197:
9;
198:
17;
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211:
7;
213:
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229:
9,
10;
235:
12;
237:
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282:
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291:
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69:
18;
182:
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193:
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172:
16
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71:
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143:
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144:
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229:
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203:
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203:
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109:
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236:
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225:
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15:
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286:
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240:
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19:
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262:
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263:
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273:
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275:
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279:
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290:
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292:
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295:
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273:
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287:
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109:
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272:
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105:
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180:
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221:
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262:
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109:
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62:
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63:
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233:
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127:
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144:
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208:
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144:
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13:
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138:
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22:
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115:
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162:
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221:
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28:
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299:
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286:
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265:
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167:
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107:
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105:
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124:
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128:
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255:
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43:
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291:
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102:
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275:
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279:
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284:
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105:
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111:
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219:
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222:
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224:
18;
228:
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268:
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269:
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270:
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272:
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281:
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282:
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288:
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238:
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19:
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08:
4
rue
7:
l;
71:
22;
96:
16;
156:
18;
216:
3,5;
223:
19;
!
45:
20;
268:
14
ruly
73:
15;
268:
21;
389.20
rust
280:
9
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53:
21
rrustees
45:
6;
55:
2
rusts
44:
s
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ruth
221:
ll;
289:
9
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ry
39:
20;
76:
12;
77:
12;
34:
15;
87:
16;
97:
21;
121:
5;
128:
5;
130:
11,21;
135:
6;
137:
16;
139:
21;
149:
19,22;
151:
5,8;
173:
4;
178:
11;
203:
22;
!
25:
1;
227:
6;
237:
6;
?
41:
16:
246:
5:
270:
11;
295~
2
trying
32:
18;
35:
19;
19:
ll;
60:
22;
79:
12;
80:
5,
10;
87:
10;
118:
12;
129:
s;
131:
22;
136:
14;
175:
19;
180:
16;
191:
9;
192:
ll;
206:
15;
208:
3,
S,
16;
210:
5;
213:
21;
218:
3;
219:
7;
231:
16;
235:
l;
242:
5,16;
254:
21;
258:
10;
260:
21,22;
261:
20,22;
262:
4,20;
287:
21
Tuesday
140:
22
Tuesday/
Wednesday
141:
5
turn
6:
4;
10:
5;
18:
3;
57:
19,20;
83:
20;
88:
8,
15;
111:
14;
142:
2;
144:
15;
195:
14;
255:
lO
turning
133:
20;
198:
3
turns
200:
7
tweaked
169:
19
twenty
217:
12
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3:
19;
9:
19,21;
10:
13;
12:
2,
18;
24:
21;
27:
s;
31:
4;
56:
13;
59:
22;
61:
11,
17;
63:
18;
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3,7;
81:
7;
8j:
21;
85:
6;
86:
11;
93:
22;
94:
4;
96:
20;
102:
4;
111:
13;
112:
17:
114:
4;
119:
l;
121:
4,6;
124:
lO;
130:
3;
134:
20;
137:
6;
140:
15;
145:
9;
146:
6,20;
160:
22;
163:
1,19;
171:
1,5;
176:
16;
182:
7;
196:
19;
197:
4,16,21;
198:
14;
199:
11;
201:
10;
203:
8,
15;
two­
and­
a
261:
14
two­
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139:
14
two/
three
118%

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3:
9
tying
163:
1.4;
207.
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type
41:
17;
48:
17;
81:
20,
21;
82:
4;
93:
10;
106.12;
107:
lO;
108:
9;
213:
7;
249:
19;
268:
l:
277:
6;
283:
12
types
101:
21,22;
181:
G;

187:
l;
275:
13
typical
44:
22
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s
3:
16,18
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87:
9
ultimate
22:
7
ultimately
199:
4;
201:
19;
24513
unacceptable
22:
19
unavoidable
69:
13
uncertainty
36:
7
unclear
109:
7
uncomfortable
137:
10
under
13:
lS;
14%;
19:
ZO;
34:
14;
96:
11;
lOj:
G,
21;
158:
22;
234:
2;
251:
1;

292:
5
undercuts
215~
6
underfunded
9d:
lS
underlined
73:
I1
underlying
33:
s
understood
Sl:
S;
h8:
9;
295:
15
undertone
53:
1
underwent
23412
undivided
279:
16
uneven
112:
14
unevenness
ll
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unfair
289:
2
unfortunate
293~
2
unfortunately
95:
5;
102:
22;
294:
lS
unincorporated
107:
16
unintended
20~
20
unintent
200:
12
Union
274:
2
unit
280:
3
United
86.
10;
84:
14;
89:
4
units
22:
12,
14
universe
180:
2:
218:
lS
University
2:
2;
64
5
12;
226:
7;
228'
12;
2jl:
3;
232:
s:
235:
7;
239:
13.
14;
243:
7;
245:
13;
24?:
6,9,
248:
13;
249:
1;
250:
7;
252:
18,21;
254:
7;
255:
22;
262:
9;
271:
4;
287:
14;
293:
13;
295:
8
unless
76:
20;
122:
j.
216:
16;
230:
5,6;
246:
1'
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36:
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224:
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158:
17;
159
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175:
1
196:
15;
228:
16;
257:
16;

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195:
10
265:
12;
271:
11;
272:
13;

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5:
21;
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1;
11:
3,
11;
274:
7;
293:
6,6
13:
5,8,
19;
15:
17;
17:
5,
used
12:
19;
17:
7;
39:
12;

12;
20:
17;
21:
11;
22:
1,4,
43:
22;
44:
1,2,21;
68:
6;
11;
26­
14,18;
30:
3,11,16,
72:
18;
100:
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106:
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20;
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6,
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17,
18;
107:
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115:
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150:
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158:
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40:
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41:
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162:
14,
21;
163:
5;
174:
3,
42:
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44:
9;
46:
21;
47:
8;
4,
18,
19;
190:
17;
197:
4;
48:
5,
12;
47:
7,
22;
50:
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247:
18;
271:
10;
280:
17;
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57:
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60:
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28615;
289:
14;
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63:
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70:
13;
73:
12;
80:
8,
11;
84:
1;
90:
5;
76:
10;
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139:
22
101:
17;
102:
3,
21;
106%;
using
19:
7;
76:
3;
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2;

113:
7.10;
115:
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120:
12;
157:
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124:
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126:
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127:
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129:
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132:
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134:
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2:
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142:
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143:
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2:
3;
66:
16
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144:
1.8.
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156':
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157':
1,6,
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278:
11,
16
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32:
12
7;
164:
j:
167:
1.3;
1696;
172:
7;
17­
16;
174:
6;
17i:
l
1,
14,
17,22;
179:
6;
181:
20;
185:
22;
186:
16;
188:
12;
170:
4;
195:
18;
176:
4,
22;
178:
8;
209:
17;
214:
17:
222:
2,8;
227~
5;
229:
20:
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2S3:
11,
13,
17;
234:
6,
19;
235:
17;
236:
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237:
22;
238:
2.3.
5,
12,
IS;
2SO:
lO;
240:
6,
15;
244:
1,
19;
246~
1;
248:
17;
249:
8,
11,
20;
250:
5.8.
20;
252:
3,
12;
254:
10,
13;
255:
1
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258:
15;
261:
7;
262122;
265:
1;
265:
15:
267:
2;
268:
20;
269:
9,
15;
271:
15:
277:
2,3,8;
278:
6;
277:
1
1;
281:
4;
283:
7.
15;
284:
I
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285:
1
1;
288%;
292:
7,
10;
294:
9,
15;
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6:
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299:
15
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140:
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28:
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28:
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207:
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6:
18,
75:
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90:
17;
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5:
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236:
17;
268:
1
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17.3;
18:
16:
1916;
21:
21;
28.16;
51.21
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95:
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upside
1~
3:
20
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47:
21
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uranium
279:
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285.15
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12:
11;
45:
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123:
15
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12:
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29:
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116:
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165
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28:
10,
14
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4:
8
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86:
6
valid
220:
9
valuable
43:
19
value
8:
6;
53:
17;
71:
22:
72:
1
valve
215:
6
various
24:
1
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25:
8;
S6:
13;
37:
1;
44:
14;
52:
14;
63:
ll;
71:
3;
101:
18;
1076;
112:
7,
16;
115:
13;
116:
2,
18;
117:
l;
150:
13,
17;
158:
22;
171:
22;
2Sl:
lS;
25l:
lK
vast
25:
l;
52:
1
vegetarian
148:
l;
149:
5
vendors
72:
18
verbally
73:
20
Veronica
4:
7
version
124:
17;
256:
12
versus
137:
ll;
270:
21
vertical
24:
2:
26:
5;
76:
9
vertically
26:
3,
12,
22
vessel
34:
17
vessels
3S:
5,6;
34:
ll;
42:
21
via
20:
16
viable
108:
9:
1739
Vicky65:
16;
97:
18;
121:
9;
124:
S;
125:
lO;
144:
lG;
145:
14;
156:~;
16S:
22;
lh4:
S;
165:
15;
174~
10;
221:
1;
226:
16;
234.8;
241:
4,
18;
25O:
ll.
281.10;
286:
12;
295:
lS
Vicky's
97:
I
5
163%;
177:
22;
247:
21;
294:
20
viewing
247:
11
views
121:
3;
139:
14;
185:
21;
193:
2:
231:
14
vigorous
132.2
Vineyard
lo:
20
violated
212:
13
virtue
173:
16
visibility
200:
l
I;
201:
17
visible
200:
18
vision
44:
1
visit
44:
7;
67:
9;
88:
11;
89:
2;
97:
8;
135:
17
visited
89:
13;
102:
6
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57:
17;
59:
14
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168~
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54:
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57:
1;
1Ol:
ll;
142:
10,
12,
15;
147:
18;
148:
19,21;
149:
l;
165:
15;
190:
22;
19l:
l;
208:
21;
212:
17;
214:
2;
216:
5,
13;
238:
6;
247:
15;
254:
13,15;
255:
1,3,17,
20;
256:
l;
296:
4
void
295:
4
voltage
28:
4,7
I
voluntary
24:
1/
i
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vokrnteer
290%

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213:
19
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20:
13;
21:
19,20,21;
22:
9,

weren't
51:
6;
67:
11:
20;
23:
8,9;
26:
18,
19;
27:
2,3,4;
3117;
34:
20;
36:
1;
46:
18;
49:
18;
62:
18,
21;
94:
3;
96:
11;
98:
16;
106:
4;
110:
8,
13;
173:
5;
174:
3,3,3;
249:
14;
279:
14;
289:
13,
16
waterfront
45:
l
watershed
249:
17
way
14:
5;
20122;
32:
ls;
S4:
9;
73:
2;
74:
20;
76:
3,7,
18;
77:
7;
78:
1,17;
89:
15;
91:
6;
93:
5;
76:
16;
107:
22;
116:
6;
117:
6,
15;
118:
10,
14,
15;
119:
5,17,20;
120:
5,20;
123:
21;
128:
2;

133:
19;
139:
22;
142:
5;
144:
13,20;
146:
21;
151:
2;
152:
19;
153:
9;
154:
22;
155:
5,
16,22;
157:
lS;
158:
6,8;
159:
19;
161:
4;
163:
20;
168:
6;
170:
16;
173:
17;
174:
l;
178:
15;
179:
22;
180:
4;
181:
16;
182:
lO;
184:
17;
189%;
175:
12;
199:
9,
11,
15;
203:
l;
204:
ll;
214:
18;
218:
22;
223:
21;
224:
21;
225:
17;
233:
3;
240:
18,19;
245:
22;
247~
5,
11;
251:
22;
254:
14;
256:
s;
258:
20;
259:
12;
260:
3;
263:
6;
27l:
lO;
292:
22;
293:
12;
296:
8
ways
88:
5;
119:
l;
124:
l;
125:
8;
131:
17;
140:
4;
177:
21;
211:
17;
239:
lO;
265:
lS;
272~
6;
298:
17
weaken
237:
14;
238:
22
weakening
252:
14
weapon
265122
weapons
27418;
27518;
285:
19
weather
5:
19;
9:
12;
W22;
32:
4;
148:
17
weave
84:
15;
231:
5
web
23
1:
6
website
111:
6
Wednesday/
Thursday
140:
20
week
74:
2;
83:
13;
85:
5;
86:
6;
257:
ll
weekly
14:
9
weeks
86:
12;
130:
8;
199:
7;
261:
15
welcome
6:
9;
10:
s;
63:
12;
81:
9;
154:
21
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2:
5;
42:
1/
t;
4S:
19;
WA
2:
7;
3:
4;
4:
3
Wait
31:
12;
167:
15;
211:
8
waited
32:
3
waiting
202:
21;
253:
1
waiver
101:
18
walled
44:
22
Wampanoag
24:
16
wants
97:
16;
138:
5;
196:
2;
214:
17
warehouse
42122
warm
33:
21
warmed
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32:/
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warn
151:
9
warranted
91:
7
warrants
241:
12
warriors
297:
3
washing
46:
20;
51:
14
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61:
2;
62:
15;
65:
13,
19,21;
66:
15,
19;
140:
18;
169:
3;
224:
8;
296:
20
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34:
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19;
66:
13;
98:
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97:
14;
108:
9;
107:
3;
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174:
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159:
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215:
15;
247:
17;
250:
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293:
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180:
7
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294:
6
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93:
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30:
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34:
14;
36:
3
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202:
13
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178:
22;
210:
15,16
wish
9:
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67:
4;
75:
7,15;
76:
8,15;
78:
8,
18;
82:
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144:
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239:
12;
262:
10;
273:
ll
wishes
88:
15
wishing
144:
7;
239:
16
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8:
2;
11:
21;
53:
7;
55:
10,21,22;
102:
21,22;
105:
ll;
151:
9;
153:
3;
L78:
13;
243:
16;
280:
21;
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84:
16;
288:
13;
289:
3,7;
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90:
12
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27:
6;
47:
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90:
3;
103:
15;
166:
22;
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200:
11,19;
212:
9;
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16:
22;
227:
13;
233:
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45:
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262:
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265:
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88:
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LMichael
Mittelholzer
National
Association
of
Home
Builders
(
DC)

Tom
Newlon
Stoel
Rives
(
WA)

Victoria
Peters
State
of
Colorado
(
CO)

Kate
Probst
Resources
for
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(
DC)

Ed
Putnam
State
of
New
Jersey
(
NJ)

Mel
Skaggs
InDepth
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Wilma
Subra
Louisiana
Environmental
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LA)

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CH2M
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(
DC)

Jason
White
Cherokee
Nation
(
OK)

Robin
Wiener
Institute
of
Scrap
Recycling
Industries
(
DC)

Angelo
Carasea
1J.
S.
Environmental
Protection
Agency
(
DC)

Lawrence
Starfield
U.
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Environmental
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DC)
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John
Ehrmann
Meridian
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CO)

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William
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Kennecot
Utah
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Fredcrick
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Augusta,
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National
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DayTwo
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3]
PROCEEDINGS
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41
El
MR.
LOEHR:
­
organizing
yourselves,
but
still
[
6]
have
a
lot
to
do
today.
A
lot
of
items
to
go
over.
As
r/]
you
re
settling
in,
so
to
speak,
on
one
of
the
flip
[
a]
charts,
you
may
or
not
read
it
from
the
far
end
of
the
[
g]
room,
but
on
the
flip
charts
are
the
topics
that
we
d
[
lo]
like
to
go
over
today
with
some
sense
of
timing
for
[
ii]
those.
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if
you
could
kind
of
get
to
your
seats,
get
~
121
your
coffee,
we
ll
start
in
about
a
minute
or
two.

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thanks
for
getting
back
to
the
table.
We
~
141
have
more
of
our
colleagues
with
us
today.
Mildred
[
is]
McClain
is
with
us,
in
case
you
haven
t
seen
Mildred.

[
is]
She
came
in
this
morning.
Glen
Hammer.
Jane
Gardner
is
~
171
here.
She
s
off
getting
a
sweater
as
I
understand.
Who
[
la]
else
have
I
missed
that
came
in
today.
Larry
Starfield
119]
is
here,
right.
Occupying
the
front
seat.
Betsy
is
1201
keeping
him
company.

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As
we
agreed
last
night,
we
re
going
to
continue
[
221
on
with
the
agenda
as
you
have
seen
it.
We
did
the
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307
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and
discussion
last
night.
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we
will
~
21
not
need
to
go
over
that.
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we
do
need
to
continue
on
[
z.]
through
the
items
in
the
agendaAnd
for
that
I
m
going
[
4]
to
turn
it
over
again
to
John
Ehrmann
to
kind
of
lead
us
[
s]
through
there
in
the
sequence
that
has
been
suggested
on
[
s]
the
flip
chart.

VI
As
usual
we
re
looking
for
all
your
comments
[
E]
verbally,
but
also
in
writing.
So
that
the
next
draft
[
g]
can
have
the
essence
of
the
points
that
you
d
like
to
[
IO]
make.
John.

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MR.
EHRMANN:
Thanks,
Ray.
First
of
all
I
d
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121
like
to
point
out
that
we
ve
separated
Gary
*
and
Ed
at
the
[~
zI]
table
after
their
­.
Larry
Starfield
won
t
under
the
1141
significance
of
that,
but
we
11
tell
him
later.

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I51
MR.
STARFIELD:
He
was
a
bad
boy
or
something.

[
I61
MR.
EHRMANN:
That
s
right.
You
re
lucky
you
re
(
171
at
the
table.
What
we
re
going
to
do
as
the
chairman
[
IFI]
said
is
go
through
these
sections.
I
have
up
on
the
flip
~
191
chart
the
approximate
time
allocations
WC
d
like
to
spend
[
201
on
each
of
these
SectionsAgain,
we
may
have
to
get
to
[
a]
a
point
where
we
just
move
on
from
a
section
bec;
tuse
01.

(
z]
the
need
to
keep
the
timing
on
track.
Wc
do
have
the
­
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308
[
i]
today
at
3:
00
we
re
being
joined
by
our
environmental
[
2]
just,
ze
panel,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
we
re
on
time
for
[
z]
that
since
people
obviously
made
commitments
to
us
to
bc
[
4]
here
at
that
time.

El
Let
me
just
say
to
members
of
the
public,
if
you
[
s]
wish
to
make
public
comment,
please
sign
up
outside
at
[
7]
the
registration
table
so
that
we
can
know
how
much
[
a]
public
comment
is
desired
to
be
made,
then
we
can
[
g]
allocate
our
time
for
that
accordingly.
And
also
both
IO]
for
our
newcomers
this
morning
and
to
remind
cvcryonc
as
i
i]
Ray
said,
we
re
looking
for
comments
on
these
sections
121
that
are
the
­
I
u
call
it
at
the
policy
level,
not
at
131
the
word­
smithing
level,
but
yet
not
at
the
kind
of
very
141
broad
conceptual
level.
But
specil?
c
reactions
to
the
is]
ideas
that
are
contained
in
these
various
sections
of
the
161
report.
I
think
yesterday
people
did
a
good
job
in
my
171
view
of
hitting
that
right
level,
and
I
think
we
want
to
181
continue
that
as
we
go
through
these
various
sections.

191
We
may
get
as
pie
get
into
the
later
sections,
thcrc
5
zo]
going
to
be
so
4
e
overlap,
if
you
will,
or
interaction
211
with
earlier
seciions.
So,
if
you
just
want
to
remind
us
~
21
of
something
said
earlier,
or
ditto
somebody
else
s
Page
309
[
I]
comment,
or
say
I
have
the
same
feeling
about
this
as
I
[
z]
did
on
section
two,
that
would
be
helpful
just
to
save
us
[
3]
time
and
also
give
us
a
sense
of
whcrc
your
concerns
arc
[
4]
reldtecl
to
a
particular
sections.

PI
We
re
going
to
start
with
the
early
screening
[
s]
issues
that
are
still
part
of
that
l­
ust
overall
section
[
7]
of
the
report.
And
I
would
draw
your
attention
to
pages
[
a]
16
and
17,
a
little
bit
on
18,
as
kind
of
a
summary
of
[
g]
the
recommendations
and
rational
and
ask
us
to
focus
lo]
primarily
on
that
section
of
the
chapter
unless
you
have
1
I]
really
strong
feelings
about
something
elsc.
hnd
as
WC
121
did
yesterday,
the
chairman
will
recognize
folks
and
I
]
I
131
try
to
keep
the
discussion
moving
in
terms
of
the
141
interventions.
[
Molly
and
Elizabeth
will
be
taking
notes
151
and
WC
will
proceed
in
that
fashion.
Ancl
for
this
one
161
we
d
like
to
spend
about
30
minutes,
or
no
more
than
30
171
minutes
on
this
particular
section.

181
MR.
LOEHR:
Just
to
respond
to
at
least
one
ol
191
you,
no
names
pointed
out,
wondering
whether
WC
rc
going
!
o]
to
have
a
break
this
morning.
Wc
will
have
a
break
on
or
111
around
the
1O:
OO
time
period,
or
if
there
s
a
mass
rising
!
2]
and
leaving,
WC
It
take
a
break
tlwn.
ht
thcrc
will
lx
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312
~
11
one
some
time
in
the
morning.
[
Al
It
s
extraordinary
that
negative
impact
that
has
I21
MR.
EHRMANN:
Comments
on
the
early
screening
(
21
on
proceedings,
because
it
means
you
don
t
get
enough
131
reactions
to
what
s
here.
Jason.
[
3]
information.
It
means
that
the
usual
suspects
are
angry
[
41
MR.
WHITE:
It
s
comment
on
involving
[
41
because
they
don
t
understand
why
they
re
supposed
to
pay
ISI
communities
early
and
also
1
had
to
go
back
to
the
[
s]
the
accountability
of
others.
It
means
that
those
that
~
61
previous
page
on
key
fmdings.
I
wanted
to
­
it
talks
(
61
didn
t
manage
to
get
tagged
early
on
will
say,
hey,
not
~
71
about,
especially
in
the
findings,
it
talks
about
tribal
171
my
problem.
So
you
dramatically
reduce
the
total
[
a]
governments
a
little
bit
being
included
with
communities.
[
8]
universe
of
resources
that
could
be
brought
fair
to
the
~
91
That
s
not
correct,
because
tribal
governments,
tribes,
[
gl
site.
So,
1
wish
we
would
stress
it
s
both
early
and
[
la]
are
sovereign
nations.
They
have
treaties
with
the
[
IO]
it
s
all
of
them.
[,
I]
t+
dcral
government
that
give
them
specific
rights.
And
'
1111
MR.
LOEHR:
Ed
Putnam.
[
121
also
the
Federal
government
has
a
trust
responsibility
to
L'
21
MR.
PUTNAM:
I
wanted
to
talk
about
the
104
[
13]
tribcs.
And
so
lumping
them
in
with
communities
is
not
(
131
information
letters
too.
I
had
an
earlier
idea
about
~
141
correct.
~
141
whether
or
not
the
EPA
could
delegate
that
to
the
state,

[
l%
I
think
they
need
to
be
at
least
mentioned
[
is]
or
at
least
to
start
issuing
them
during
the
PASI­
type
[
16]
separately,
and
maybe
in
the
findings
those
specific
[
I61
state
to
make
more
formal
process.

~
171
rights
should
bc
included.
(
171
MR.
LOEHR:
Steve.

[
I&
MR.
LOEHR:
Good
point.
Thanks.
Robin.
1'
81
MR.
ELBERT:
Just
to
build
very
quickly
on
both
1191
MS.
WIENER:
I
have
comment
on
the
[
I91
Sue
and
Ed
s
comment.
1
d
like
to
stress
the
word
[
zol
rccommcndation
to
identify
PRPs
early.
I
think
that
s
1201
involvement
in
between
the
104
and
106
stage.
There
s
a
r2.1
actually
an
interesting
and
intriguing
suggesting
and
we
~
211
bit
of
a
vacuum,
a
black
hole.
[
z)
support
it.`
l'hc
only
suggestion
or
recommendation
1
have
~~~
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UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
It
s
worldwide.
It
s
the
Page
311
(
11
is
1
wonder
whether
or
not
it
can
be
expanded
to
121
incorporate
it.
If
we
re
identifying
PRPs
earlier,

13;
perhaps
one
of
the
things
we
can
also
do
is
provide
for
[
II
NPL.

I21
MR.
ELBERT:
Yeah.
Involvement
is
the
right
[
q
word.
Page
313
[
n]
grcatcr
or
more
flexibility
in
response
times
to
~
51
information
request
letters
to
1'
1~
1'
s.
l$
ecause
right
now
[
6]
sometimes
the
dcadtincs
arc
very
tight.
Thcy
re
about
30
[;
I
days
or
40
days.
And
especially
for
small
businesses
[
a]
it
s
very
burdensome
to
reply
and
o&
en
to
bc
honest
I
m
[
9]
nor
sure
if
all
the
information
is
coming
out
that
could
[
IO]
come
out.
And
if
there
s
more
time,
that
would
allow
it
[
t
ii
so
it
would
heneIit
everyonc.
And
if
we
re
identifying
[
i21
PRPs
carlicr.
1
would
imagine
that
allows
for
greater
~
131
time
frame
than
on
the
responses.

[
I41
MR.
LOEHR:
Sue.

Ii51
MS.
BRIGGUM:
1
was
going
to
talk
about
that
116)
section
two
from
a
little
different
perspective.
1
[
I
71
really
thlnk
it
is
important
to
identify
PRPs
early
so
[
ia]
that
the)­
GUI
begin
working
in
the
process.
I
wish
we
[
I91
would
stress
it
s
importzant
to
ident@
all
of
them.
1
[
XI]
lhln
k
the
discussion
yesterday
really
dramatized
for
a
ITI]
lot
of
us
the
fact
of
tifc.
which
is
it
s
so
easy
to
find
[
22]
a
couple
usnat
suspects
and
then
just
give
up.
141
MR.
LOEHR:
Other
comments?
Too
early
for
(
51
<
irant.
It
s
never
100
early
for
Grant.
Too
early
for
[
6]
lots
of
comments
this
morning
yet.
Grant.

I71
MR.
COPE:
Yeah.
I
just
wanted
to
stress
the
[
e]
importance
of
­
if
it
actually
goes
in
the
direction
of
191
increased
involvement,
that
it
should
not
impinge
in
[
IO]
anyway
enforcemcnt.
You
know,
at
whatever
EPA
should
do,

[
ill
increased
transparency,
increased
involvement
shouldn
t
[
12]
achially
affect
OKA.

[
I31
MR.
LOEHR:
Steve,
you
back
up
again?

[
I41
MR.
ELBERT:
No,
sorry.

[
ISI
MR.
LOEHR:
That
s
all
right.
I
just
want
to
~
161
make
sure
1
touch
base
with
everybody.
Other.
Dolores.

'
I171
MS.
HERRERA:
1
have
a
question
to
states
for
1
[
ISI
what
­
if
there
s
going
to
be
more
involvement
or
[
I91
delegating
the
authority
to
the
states
the
way
you
vc
[
zol
just
said.
What
the
states
feel
about
that?
1
mean,
is
[
zi]
there
­
lhe
infrastruchlrc
in
place?
Do
they
have
the
(
221
capacity?

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I'
1
MR.
LOEHR:
1
guess
Gary,
or
Ed,
or
others
from
[
z]
the
various
(
inaudible)
understand
the
state
s
program
[
q
might
comment.

I41
UNlDENTlflED
MALE:
Yeah.
One
of
the
things
1
[
5]
guess
1
ve
been
resisting
comment
on
was
some
of
those
[
s]
kind
of
issues.
There
s
a
statement
under
don
t
ignore
m
NIFRAF
sites.
Talking
about
a
tracking
system.
You
[
a]
know,
an
annual
report
from
states
and
tribes
and
that
[
g]
kind
of
thing.
1
don
t
know.
1
think
the
notion
of
[
lo]
providing
information
is
a
good
one,
and
it
becomes
[
ii]
important
to
make
sure
that
any
kind
of
information
[
lz]
option
or
request
is
consistent
with
what
resources
arc
(
131
available,
and
consistent
with
developing
technologies
[
14]
for
providing
information.
So,
1
think
some
of
that
can
~
151
happen.

[
IsI
As
an
example,
under
the
new
Brownfields
[
17]
legislation,
states
are
having
to
provide
information
[
re]
about
a
broad
range
of
sites,
and
some
of
this
could
fold
[
I91
into
that
effort
as
well.

1201
MR.
LOEHR:
Ed,
any
thoughts?

1211
MR.
PUTNAM:
1
think
Dolores
the
short
answer
to
[
22]
your
question
is,
most
states
do
have
the
capability
Lo
Page
316
[
I]
some
detail.
In
our
meeting
at
Washington
the
issue
came
[
2]
up.
But
1
m
concerned
that
sites
are
NIFRAFcd
at
various
[
3]
stages
and
for
various
reasonsAnd
as
WC
talked
[
4]
yesterday,
somebody,
1
think
it
was
Gary,
mentioned
that
[
5]
there
are
these
3,000
sites
out
there
and
what
kind
of
[
6]
resources
would
it
take
then
for
EPA
to
be
lracking
them,

[
7]
and
is
that
the
best
use
of
resources
as
opposed
CO
[
a]
working
on
the
NPI.
site.
1
think
­
this
is
­
1
know
[
g]
Wilma
s
big
on
this
one.
And
1
think
that
WC
need
to
do
io]
more
work
to
figure
out
what
EPA
is
tracking
and
i
I]
monitoring
and
which
one
are
just
the
states.
In
my
mind
121
the
most
obvious
case
would
be
one
like
we
ve
heard
from
131
Ed
Putnam
that
has
arrived
at
the
level
where
the
state
141
and
the
region
has
brought
it
forward
to
EPA.
But
then
is]
kind
of
at
the
last
minute
thcrc
s
some
activi1y.
A
161
PRP
s
stepping
forward.
Thcy
don
t
have
the
deal,
you
171
know,
in
place,
so
maybe
it
would
go
next
year
or
181
whatever.
It
seems
to
me
that
kind
of
case,
clearly,
the
191
state
and
the
regions
has
identified
it
as
a
national
!
o]
caliber
concern
site,
and
that
should
bc
1rackcd.
A
lot
!
I]
of
these
other
ones
drop
out
very
early
in
lhc
process.

!
2]
They
drop
out
perhaps
because
people
don
t
believe
that
[:

F
E
,­
Page
315
Page
317
[
i]
do
site
assessments,
information
gathering,
and
then
PRP
[
r]
they
rc
really
going
make
28.5
or
the
28.5
is
based
upon
[
z]
oversight.
There
s
a
few
that
don
t.
'
[
z]
assumptions
that
people
don
t
really
believe.
And
1
PI
MS.
HERRERA:
1
understand
that.
But
that
1
[
4]
just
wanted
to
ask
are
we
going
to
give
an
unfunded
~
[
3]
don
t
think
that
those
need
to
become
a
Federal
priority
(
41
even
for
trackingThat
s
not
what
CERCLA
was
created
[
s]
mandate
to
the
states?
[
s]
for.
So,
I
would
suggest
again
that
that
issue
be
161
MR.
PUTNAM:
No.
Well,
the
suggestion
1
had
for
[
s]
targeted
for
further
evolution
of
thinking.
r/]
104,
104
e­
letter
designation.
It
s
a
series
of
[
71
MR.
LOEHR:
Any
other
comments
on
this
section?
[
s]
information
gathering.
It
really
isn
t
that
costly,
and
[
a]
All
right,
thank
you.
What
we
d
like
to
do
on
the
(
91
there
are
Federal
grants
that
we
pay
for
people
that
we
[
s]
coordinating
committee,
which
is
the
next
kind
01
[
IO]
do
that
anyway.
[
IO]
chronological
section,
is
just
hold
that
until
later
[
I
11
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
It
was
also
my
[
I
i]
after
we
ve
gone
through
some
of
these
other
pieces.
[
lz]
understanding
when
you
raised
it,
Ed,
that
states
1121
It
s
not
up
on
the
list
there,
and
come
back
to
il
since
[
13]
wouldn
t
have
to
do
it.
But
that
it
would
be
available
[
13]
it
s
been
a
concept
that
potentially
has
applicability
lo
~
141
to
any
state
who
would
like
that
authority.
[
14]
a
number
of
different
sections
of
the
report.

I151
MR.
PUTNAM:
And
the
other
thing
is
that
it
c.
an
[
IsI
The
next
piece
wc
have
up
Iherc
is
just
a
quick
1161
be
very
helpful
to
the
state
s
enforcement
processes.
[
I
61
discussion
on
the
HRS
piece.
As
wc
mentioned
yesterday.

~
171
There
s
no
guarantee
that
it
actually
is
a
net
cost
to
a
[
17]
we
did
not
include
that
in
the
draft
report
because
it
[
t61
state
agency.

lj91
MR.
LOEHR:
Vicky.

WI
MS.
PETERS:
1
did
have
­
I
believe
that
the
[
zi]
Workgroup
or
somebody
needs
to
do
more
work
on
this
[
ZI
NIFRAF
sites.
1
vc
talked
lo
Elizabeth
about
this
in
­.~.
I
~
[
ia]
was
still
in
a
level
of
development
where
the
author
s
i
[
ig]
thought
iL
wasn
1
ready
for
that.
We
didn
t
give
it
you
[
20]
yesterday.
1
guess
I
would
suggest
that
folks
not
during
[
21]
this
meeting,
but
if'
you
could
in
the
same
kind
01
[
22]
comment
period
that
WC
rc
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the
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[
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report
by
next
Friday,
June
271h,
if
you
could
take
a
121
look
at
the
IIRS
piece.
And
1
II
say
the
same
thing
about
131
the
pollution
prevention
piece
in
a
few
minutes,
and
give
~
41
us
any
feedback,
then
we
can
proceed
to
blend
it
into
the
[
5]
next
draft
of
the
report.
So,
I
didn
1
plan
to
take
any
[
q
substantive
time
on
it
in
this
discussion
other
than
[
71
saying
should
we
proceed
with
it.
If
somebody
has
(
81
feelings
about
whether
we
should
do
HRS
or
not,
we
ought
[
Y]
to
talk
about
that,
but
I
don
t
want
to
get
into
the
[
IQ
s~~
lxtance
of
the
proposal
at
this
point
given
that
folks
[
ii]
haven
1
really
had
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
it.
Sue,

1121
comment.

[`
31
MS.
BRIGGUM:
Can
we
get
this
electronically?

[
I41
MR.
EHRMANN:
Absolutely.
Yeah,
we
11
send
you
[
jq
both
these
electronically.

1161
MR.
LOEHR:
And
again,
for
those
that
were
not
~
171
hcrc
yesterday.
what
s
being
talked
about
is
a
Workgroup
[
ia]
product
that
is
designating
from
Vicky
Peters
with
the
[
ig]
date
ot
May
1
J
this
year
as
a
ranking
system,
and
covers
[
XI!
some
number
of
pages.
I
don
t
have
the
page
numbers
[
ZI]
hcrc.
But
if
you
haven
t
picked
that
up
or
don
t
have
a
1221
copy,
there
are
copies
around
li)
r
you
if
you
do
not
have
Page
319
[
iI
it
in
front
of
you.

H
MR.
EHRMANN:
Ed,
I
think.

14
MR.
PUTNAM:
I
may
be
coming
up
with
a
brand
new
(
41
issue.
lsut
in
looking
at
the
different
items
that
came
13'
LIP
on
the
IIRS.
I
think
It
might
bc
time
to
recommend
to
[
6]
III'A
that
they
take
;
I
look
at
revising
the
whole
package.

[
71
I'uttmg
together
a
stake
holder
group
and
looking
at
[
EI
coming
up
the
whotc
major
revision
and
rule
shapes
for
191
the
package.
I
don
t
know
if
il
s
too
late
to
float
that
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111
and
then
we
11
review
it
again?
Okay.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
What
I
d
like
to
do
is
take
your
131
written
comments
between
­
if
you
want
to
talk
to
us
or
[
4]
whatever
­
comments
between
now
at
the
27th.
Make
any
[
51
modifications
based
on
those
comments
just
like
we
lI
do
161
to
the
rest
of
the
report
based
on
comments.
And
then
m
fold
it
into
the
next
iteration
of
the
report,
and
then
[
a]
we
ll
have
a
chance
in
September
to
see
what
people
think
[
s]
about
how
it
should
be
refined
or
treated.
Vicky,

[
I
01
comment
on
that.

II
11
MS.
PETERS:
Well,
I
have
a
little
bit
of
a
[
rzl
concern
about
that,
because
it
s
not
really
in
the
same
1131
stage
as
most
of
these
other
issues.
Because
it
hasn
t
[
14]
been
hashed
out.
I
got
feedback
from
Jason
and
Sue
and
151
some
other
folks
saying
that
they
like
the
framing
of
the
161
issues.
And
I
got
a
couple
of
votes.
Ed
likes
number
i
71
two
or
whatever.

181
I'or
all
of
these
other
issues
there
was
some
191
discussion
and
people
weighed
and
we
had
a
sense
of
how
201
many
are
for,
against,
whatever.
And
that
hasn
t
211
happencd.
And
so
I
m
afraid
if
we
don
t
actually
221
identify
a
Workgroup
do
to
that,
we
re
not
going
to
be
­

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321
[
I
J
far
enough
along
in
September.
I
know
Wilma
­
that
s
121
the
way
Wilma
feels.
We
can
t
be
bringing
a
list
of
~
31
options
like
this
to
the
table.

c41
MR.
EHRMANN:
`
That
s
a
good
point.
Why
don
t
we
[
q
do
this,
we
II
collect
those
comments
in
the
time
frame
[
s]
that
suggested
and
then
similar
to
what
we
II
do
on
some
171
other
issues,
we
11
organize
a
call
with
some
of
the
[
al
folks
who
have
been
involved
and
others
who
are
[
q
intcrested.
And
we
I1
make
some
of
the
assignments
[
10]
idea
or
not.

[
111
MS.
PETERS:
I
think
­
I
believe
that
­
my
112;
package
1s
not
recommendations.
It
s
options.
And
I
1131
bcticvc
on
any
of
the
given
issues
that
s
one
of
the
1141
options
that
s
identified.
It
talks
about
some
of
the
[
IS:
cons
of`
doing
thal.
As
far
as
I
m
concerned,
that
s
on
~
161
the
tabtc
and
people
should
comment
on
that
when
they
[
irl
comment
on
the
I
IRS
document.

[`
aI
MR.
LOEHR:
Jasom
iI91
MR.
WHITE:
I
just
had
a
question
on
the
draft.

[
2q
`
l'hi,
is
d
wry
long
(
inaudible)
draft,
because
Vicky
[
zi]
wrote
it
mcl
I
was
on
the
IIRS
Workgroup.
I
just
had
a
~
21
q~~
c~
tion
though.
Is
11
going
to
lx
p~
it
in
after
the
27th
­­­___
[
io)
tomorrow
when
we
allocate
work,
and
have
it
discussed
for
[
I
I]
a
round
and
then
redraft
it
and
go
from
there
to
get
that
1121
extra.
Comment
on
that?

fi31
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Just
one
clarification,

114;
Vicky.
I
want
to
make
based
on
earlier
conversation,
you
[
15]
we
suggesting
thdt
this
should
go
in
the
report
like
the
[
16]
other
recommendations
once
it
does
get
that
additional
~
171
considcration.
You
rc
not
suggesting
that
this
issue
1181
belongs
­'
should
be
treated
differently
then
others
in
[
i9]
the
report?

[
ZO]
MS.
PETERS:
No,
the
former.

Pjl
UNlOENTlFlED
FEMALE:
If
you
re
going
to
discuss
,[
zz]
whcthcr
the
IIRS
should
be
redone,
I
think
really
needs
to
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[
I]
be
a
significant
Workgroup.
I
had
kind
of
assumed
that
[
z]
we
looked
at
this
in
terms
of
it
will
difficult
for
us
to
[
3]
recommend
in
one
part
that
the
Agency
spend
less
time
on
[
4]
program
and
process
more
time
on
remedial
construction
at
151
the
same
time
propose
something
as
extravagantly
expense
161
and
time
consuming
as
redoing
the
HRS
for
those
of
us
m
that
remember
the
first
time.
So,
I
think
we
have
to
[
a]
talk
through
that
and
make
sure
we
have
agreementsAnd
(
91
I
think
it
s
probably
­
we
need
to
hear
from
Steve
and
[
IO]
others
in
terms
of
what
that
would
entail
so
that
we
can
[
1
I]
have
informed
judgments.

1121
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah.
We
11
make
sure
that
that
[
I31
conversation
is
inclusive
enough
to
get
a
range
of
views
[
14]
including
at
the
Agency
­
some
resource
people
there
[
is]
like
we
ve
done
on
other
issues.
That
s
a
good
point.

(
1'
31
MR.
LOEHR:
Other
comments
on
the
FIRS
1171
(
inaudible).

1181
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
Thinking
back
on
some
of
the
[
I91
text
that
I
ve
read
and
it
s
indirectly
related
to
this.

~
201
But
I
noted
­
I
think
it
s
in
the
section
that
we
ve
1211
just
passed
over.
But
there
were
numerous
references
to
[
zz]
when
we
talk
about
future
listing
that
sites
ought
to
Page
323
[
i]
look
sort
of
like
how
they
ve
looked
since
199O.
There
[
2]
seems
to
be
a
general
agreement
that
the
sites
that
have
~
31
gotten
on
the
list
in
that
period
are
pretty
much
the
~
41
right
sites.
That
suggests
to
me,
at
least
indirectly,

151
that
you
wouldn
t
want
to
take
a
major
whack
at
the
IIRS.

[
sl
That
actually
seems
to
be
working.

VI
MR.
LOEHR:
Jane.
You
have
to
use
the
mic.

PI
MS.
GARDNER:
Sorry.
Having
just
gotten
here
191
and
not
knowing
what
anybody
s
talking
about,
I
thought
[
IO]
I
d
give
my
opinion
anyway.

1111
On
the
IIRS
and
I
ve
talked
with
Vicky
about
[
IZI
this,
it
seems
to
me
and
the
issue
­
first
of
all
I
~
131
disagree
that
it
s
working
well.
I
think
it
(
141
misrepresents
sites,
over
represents,
and
under
[
is]
represents
sites.
Because
it
is
not
based
on
risk.
hnd
[
I~
J
the
overhaul
of
the
HRS
if
we
want
to
have
Superfund
[
171
putting
its
money
to
where
it
s
needed,
is
to
figure
out
[
1e]
how
to
get
the
HRS
to
adequately
address
the
types
of
I191
risks
that
Superfund
should
address.

m
AndImnot
expecting
that
this
group
is
going
~
211
to
be
able
to
agree
on
What
that
type
of
risk
is,
bur
1
[
z]
think
a
charge
to
EPA
has
lo
be,
you
know,
don
1
have
[
I]
scoring
system
that
you
say
up
front
doesn
t
mean
[
2]
any,
hing.
It
doesn
t
represent
risk.
It
s
just
a
[
3]
screening
of
something.
Have
a
scoring
system
that
says
I
[
4]
the
more
important
sites
are
the
Supcrfund­
worthy
or
the
[
s]
Superfund
appropriate
sites
go
on
the
list.
And
make
[
6]
sure
it
measures
what
it
s
supposed
to
measure
in
order
[
7]
to
do
that.
So,
that
s
my
left
field
opinion.
Thank
[
a]
you.
Right
field.
Sorry,
right.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
MCI.

[
101
MR.
SKAGGS:
I
think
1
d
like
to
skip
Jane
s
[
I
I]
comments
and
just
respond
to
Mike
s.
I
m
not
sure
WC
vc
[
12]
had
a
competent
discussion
of
whether
we
think
HRS
has
[
13]
worked
since
1990
or
not.
1
thought
what
we
all
said
was
~
141
there
s
things
in
this
world
WC
re
not
trying
to
fix,
and
;
1151
we
defme
that
one
as
being
part
of
the
list.
WC
might
Page
324
­
161
want
to
re­
think
that.
And
we
may
want
to
through
171
Vicky
s
work
affect
it
in
some
way
or
another.
But
I
is]
haven
t
personally
viewed
myself
as
having
been
I
191
challenged
to
evaluate
whelher
the
IIRS
of
I990
is
the
201
benchmark
th
"
I
it
s
the
gold
Skmddrd.
I
really
don
t
view
!
i]
myself
as
havinjg
a
need
to
know
the
answer
to
that
221
question
actually.

Page
325
111
MR.
EHRMANN:
I
think
it
s
fair
to
say
that
[
z]
early
in
this
process
there
were
some
Workgroup
[
a]
discussions
were
folks
had
kind
of
come
to
a
preliminary
~
41
conclusion
that
that
might
be
Ihe
casc.`
I`
hat
this
group
[
5]
wasn
t
going
to
make
major
recommendations
about
the
IIIIS.

[
6]
And
then
there
were
others
who
had
interest
in
saying,

[
7]
well
wait
a
minute,
if
we
re
looking
at
Ihcse
options
and
[
8]
what
s
getting
on
Ihe
list
and
off
the
list
and
trying
to
[
g]
make
some
competent
recommendalions,
isn
t
the
IIRS
a
key
IO]
part
of
that?
Shouldn
1
we
take
a
look
at
it?
And
I
I]
think
that
s
of
kind
of
where
we
are
at
this
point.
So,

z]
you
re
right
­

31
MR.
SKAGGS:
I
actually
have
been
in
both
camps
41
during
the
course
of
the
journey.
And
I
expect
to
be
in
(
151
both
camps
bctwccn
now
and
the
end
of
the
year.

I'
61
MR.
EHRMANN:
I
think
this
seems
like
this
is
[
i7]
the
right
way
to
go.
We
have
a
well
thought
through
set
[
re]
of
options
now.
We
11
put
il
in
front
of
a
workgroup.

[
19]
and
have
them
discuss
it,
rel­
me
il.
And
bring
cithcr
[
20]
options
or
whatever
to
the
full
group
for
discussion.

[
21]
Certdinly
nolhing
5
going
to
go
forward
until
it
dots
[
zz]
have
the
kind
of
airing
Chat
you
rc
suggesting
it
needs
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[
I]
to
have.
111
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
John
highlighted
the
[
21
MR.
LOEHR:
Bill
Adams
and
then
Grant.
(
21
recommendations,
and
I
also
think
that
s
the
right
place
PI
MR.
ADAMS:
Just
a
little
bit
of
foIIow
up
on,
131
to
focus.
But
I
do
think
the
Federal
programs
is
one
the
(
41
John.
I
support
what
you
just
said.
And
I
m
not
opposed
141
places
where
it
sort
of
shines
up
the
brightest
light
on
[
s]
to
some
review
of
the
HRS.
Bul
WC
haven
I
adequate
151
something
that
s
also
worth
1
think
you
thinking
about,
[
s]
discussion
on.
And
filrther
more
it
s
nOl
a
trivial
[
s]
which
is
these
descriptions
of
the
evaluative
effort
and
[
T]
subject.
Yo'ou
can
t
do
an
hour
s
worth
of
conversation
on
[
n
to
some
extent
these
descriptions
of
the
individual
[
81
a
phone
call
or
a
conversation
and
lhink
you
vc
done
(
81
Workgroup
fmdings
that
are
sort
of
woven
through
these
[
g]
just~
cc
to
reviewing
the
IIRS,
and
then
SuggCSt
that
the
[
g]
write
ups.
It
s
worth
considering
what,
if
anything,
you
1101
WA
rcvicw
it.
If
we
re
going
to
take
this
one
on,
it
s
[
IO]
wan1
to
do
with
those.
How,
ifat
aII,
you
want
to
carry
[
I
11
going
to
take
some
very
careful,
thoughtfill
work
over
a
[
I+]
them
forward
in
the
context
they
haven
t
risen
to
level
[
I21
period
of
time.
1121
of
becoming
recommendations,
but
there
s
a
lot
of
(
1%
MR.
LOEHR:
Grant.
~
(
131
substance
captured
in
the
descriptions
of
those
I141
MR.
COPE:
Yeah.
Some
of
my
initial
thoughts
[
14]
conversations
I
think.
So,
I
would
just
say
that
s
~
151
arc
­
first
of
all
the
HRS
should
capture
more
than
it
[
is]
something
to
hold
in
your
mind
while
you
think
about
~
161
rclcascs.
That
s
certainly
something
that
­
that
s
a
[
rs]
Federal
and
state
programs
in
particular.
[,
7)
perspcctivc
that
I
share
at
Icast.
That
it
should
be
(
171
MR.
LOEHR:
Thank
you.
Let
s
start
with
Ed
and
[,
s]
more
public
health
protective
than
not.
Irrespective
of
[
I
81
then
we
II
pick
up
Sue
and
Grant.
1191
whcthcr
or
not
it
s
accurately
assessing
all
the
risks
at
1191
MR.
PUTNAM:
What
I
was
looking
to
see
in
~
201
a
sitcl`
hat
s
not
its
intended
purpose.
[
20]
addition
to
what
s
here,
is
whether
or
not
there
was
an
PiI
And
then
again
to
the
issue
of
complexity.
11
1211
assessment
of
Federal
programs
as
a
source
for
future
1221
seems
to
bc
extremely
imporlant
that
prior
to
making
any
[
22]
Superfund
sites.
It
touches
on
a
little
bit
in
the
Page
327
Page
329
~
1)
recommendations
to
EPA,
WC
bring
EPA
in
or
EPA
[
i]
record
discussion
over
the
fact
that
they
re
beefing
up
121
contractors.
Pcoplc
who
know
the
HRS,
and
get
extensive
[
z]
financial
assurance
to
prevent
them
going
­
so
that
131
biding
on
it.
Ikcause
a
crJrsory
review
seems
like
it
s
[
a]
there
s
money
if
they
go
bankrupt
and
head
toward
14:
inviting
disaster.
141
Supcrf'und.

El
MR.
LOEHR:
Further
comments
on
this
issue.
151
During
the
evaluation
I
wasn
t
on
the
committee,
161
Thank
you.
[
s]
but
the
fact
that
WC
didn
t
Tmd
another
program
that
VI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Let
s
move
to
Federal
programs.
171
could
lake
these
cases,
what
I
was
looking
for
was
(
81
Xuow
this
section
­
I
ve
kind
of
targeted
­
I
m
taking
a
[
a]
whelher
or
not
that
evaluation
also
determined
that
that
191
looking
at
pages
25,2(,,
27
and
28.
But
again,
you
may
[
g]
olher
program
might
be
sending
cases
to
the
NPL.
And
[
iq
be
drawn
to
other
pieces
given
the
way
this
particular
[
IO]
that
they
may
be
a
source
of
future
NPL
sites
because
[
1i]
scclion
is
structured.
[
I
I]
they
were
underfunded.
And
the
only
places
left
would
bc
1'
3
I~
l~
zabcth,
you
want
to
make
somr
introductory
~
121
for
tIxi(
case
10
come
to
Superfund.
[
13]
comments
on
this?
Or
I
think
this
one
is
pretty
self­
I:­
31
MR.
LOEHR:
Sue.
[
ld]
cxplanalory.
I
think
people
understand
the
history
here.
[
I41
MS.
BRIGGUM:
As
the
original
drafter,
I
feel
[
is;
`
l`
hcrc
was
a
workgroup
that
kind
of
help
take
a
pretty
[
is]
compelled
to
defend
myself.
I
think
the
text
is
a
little
~
161
comprchensivc
look
at
other
Fcdcral
programs.
Ross
and
[
is]
more
negative
as
it
went
through
alI
the
iterations
than
[
17)
El%
did
research,
supplied
information,
profiles,
CL
1171
I
Lhink
captures
the
diversity
of
opinion
in
the
group
[$
81
cctcra.
I
know
Sue
took
a
cut
at
(
his.
Writing
up
this
[
is]
all
suggest
some
language
I
think
balance
it
a
little
~
191
particular
version
and
consultdon
with
some
of
her
[
Is]
bit.
Grant
expressed
the
views
that
you
mentioned,
Ed,

[
zfl]
COkiglJCS
and
then
CommenlS
came
in.
It
s
gone
through
(
201
in
Mms
of
his
concerns
about
various
aspects
of
the
pi]
scvc~­
al
rounds.
So,
Icl
5
go
ahcad
and
cnlcrlain
(
211
program
that
potential
lead
sites
to
go
on
the
Superfund.

1221
comments
on
this
again
1
[
ZI
WC
also
had
a
very
cxtcnsivc
discussion
of
the
ways
in
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[
i]
which
other
aspects
of
the
program
were
extremely
[
2]
preventative.
I
m
hoping
once
we
get
Grant
s
material
[
s]
incorporated
into
already
existing
prevention
discussion
[
4]
we
11
talk
about
more
of
that.
I
also
wish
we
could
go
[
s]
back.
I
ve
lost
the
document.

(
61
But
EPA
gave
a
presentation
early
on
about
[
7]
trends
that
they
saw
in
terms
of
site
types
that
I
though
[
s]
showed
that
it
looked
as
if
some
regulatory
programs
(
91
might
be
quite
affective
in
terms
of
keeping
sites
off.

[
IO]
And
I
d
like
if
I
could
get
that
information,
to
insert
[
I
$
1
that
as
well.

1121
MR.
LOEHR:
Jane.

1131
MS.
GARDNER:
Now
I
ve
got
the
routine
here.
On
(
141
other
programs
my
reading
of
the
draft
was
that
it
[
is]
basically
dismissed
many
other
programs
on
the
assumption
[
is]
that
they
couldn
t
afford
to
do
what
Superfund
doesAnd
[
17]
I
don
t
think
that
s
true.
I
do
think
there
are
some
(
181
programs
that
are
not
as
funded.
Certainly
there
are
[
Is!]
programs
that
don
t
have
the
enforcement
mechanisms
to
1201
force
other
people
to
pay
for
cleanup.
But
there
are
(
211
some
programs
like
the
Great
Lakes
programs
and
SMACRA
~
221
and
others
that
do
have
money,
that
are
doing
a
good
job.

Page
331
[
I]
`
That
recognizes
the
societal
problems
in
these
types
of
[
z]
sites,
and
that
moving
forward.
I
think
it
s
worthwhile
[
3]
to
consider
those
programs
whether
you
re
wholeheartedly
141
adopting
them,
which
I
m
not
recommending.
Or
you
re
[
s]
looking
at
how
they
generate
some
money
to
make
sure
that
[
s]
sites
move
quickly
through
the
process.
Because
the
[
7]
fundamental
­
the
reality
is
in
Superfund
while
[
a]
everybody
or
many
people
think
Superfund
s
the
panacea
[
g]
because
they
force
people
to
pay
for
the
cleanup
and
it
[
lo]
doesn
t
come
from
the
taxpayer.
It
does
come
from
the
(
111
taxpayer.
And
the
higher
the
stakes
are
for
any
1121
individual
company,
the
more
there
s
litigation,
the
more
[
13]
there
s
resistence,
the
more
there
s
fighting,
the
more
(
141
there
s
arguing.
And
if
there
is
a
reasonable
way
of
(
151
recognizing
societal
contributions
to
large
contamination
~
161
problems,
then
I
think
sites
will
move
forward
much
more
~
171
quickly
and
with
much
less
contention
than
Superfund.

U81
One
of
the
unintended
consequences
of
Superfund
~
191
is
by
taking
out
judicial
review,
which
I
know
pcoplc
[~
a]
love
and
it
s
a
sacred
cow,
but
nonetheless
it
has
caused
[%
I]
an
enormous
amount
of
resistence
and
litigation
and
[
22]
lighting
before
any
clean
up
gets
done.
So,
il'
there
is
~~
~..~
1:

[:

,
[:

­
Page
332
[
I]
a
way
if
the
government
and
­
this
is
being
done
in
[
2]
PittsviIle,
the
Housatonic
River,
which
I
think
somebody
131
mentioned
yesterday,
1
object
to
their
comments
from
what
[
4]
I
heard.
But
with
the
government
contributing
some
money
[
s]
to
it,
the
cleanup
is
going
forward.
And
because
there
[
6]
are
many
sources
of
contamination
in
virtually
every
[
7]
site.

WI
I
think
it
s
worthwhile
looking
at
some
of
the
[
g]
well­
funded
programs.
Some
of
the
programs
that
are
lo]
designed
to
deal
with
big
problems
like
the
Great
Lakes
111
initiative.
I
m
not
saying
that
the
government
should
iz]
cover
of
these
programs.
There
is
a
Superfund
reform
131
effort
years
ago
with
insurance
to
try
and
make
it
a
141
Federal
program,
and
that
didn
t
work.
But
I
do
think
1
s]
that
if
we
get
out
of
the
notion
that
Superfund
fixes
161
everything,
which
in
my
view
it
s
one
of
the
biggest
171
disasters
in
the
Federal
programs
in
history.
I
d
be
181
happy
to
teIl
people
why.
That
if
we
could
get
some
more
191
fairness
in
the
program,
the
cleanups
will
go
quicker.

ZO]
And
anybody
who
thinks
it
shifts
to
the
taxpayer
and
?
i]
taxpayers
shouldn
t
pay,
are
just
wrong,
because
221
businesses
get
their
money
from
people.
If
a
business
Page
333
[
I]
has
to
up
its
prices
because
they
re
getting
hit
with
an
[
2]
unfair
share
of
liability,
that
gets
passed
along
to
[
3]
people.
And
if
a
business
goes
out
of
business
because
[
4]
they
can
t
afford
a
Superfund
cleanup
or
whatever
­

[
s]
which
has
happened
in
many
situations,
then
that
gets
[
6]
shifted
to
the
people
too.

[
71
There
is
element
and
a
rationale
for
some
[
a]
fairness
in
the
program.
I
ve
had
too
much
coffee
this
[
g]
morning,
but
it
will
calm
down
a
little
bit.
Thanks.

101
MR.
LOEHR:
Vicky
1'
1
MS.
PETERS:
I
actually
would
suggest
­
1
know
121
that
Aimee
wanted
to
respond.
I
ve
got
a
different
tap,

131
so
we
can
come
back
to
me
if
you
d
like.

141
MR.
LOEHR:
Let
me
go
to
Kate,
then
Aimcc.

151
MS.
PROBST:
This
is
just
I
think
some
161
information
Elizabeth
s
leaving
on
the
Workgroup
for
the
171
rest
of
the
committee.
On
the
programs
like
WRDA,
Clean
181
Water,
SMACRA,
however
you
pronounce
it,
I
can
t
191
remember,
I
think
the
reason
we
are
where
we
are
is
that
201
people
like
me,
I
11
speak
for
myself,
who
know
very
Y]
little
about
these
programs
­
I
know,
Betsy,
your
221
concern
about
the
long
list
of
additional
rcscarch.`
l'his
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111
is
an
area
where
just
speaking
for
myself,
I
didn
t
feel
[
z]
like
I
had
enough
information
to
understand
the
pros
and
131
cons,
or
strengths
and
weaknesses
of
those
programs
and
141
the
people
who
did,
frankly,
I
think
want
the
sites
moved
[
s]
there.
So,
this
is
one
area
where
I
think
there
may
in
[
F]
facl
be
a
lot
of
potential
where
I
at
least
sort
of
an
[
71
independent
researcher
didn
t
feel
like
I
knew
enough.

181
So
that
s,
I
think,
why
we
came
out
where
we
did
is
that
;
sl
we
had
these
little
one
page
write­
ups,
but
if
there
is
1101
something
there
I
don
t
know
if
it
s
from
the
Agency
or
~
1
IJ
who,
but
we
tried
a
bunch
of
quick
and
dirty
ways.
I
LIZI
just
felt
personally
I
didn
t
know
enough,
Jane,
to
know
(
131
what
was
really
going
on
with
these
programs.
So,
it
s
~
141
still
an
area
that
I
don
t
think
WC
got
where
we
wanted
[
IS]
to.

L'S1
MS.
GARDNER:
I
m
just
saying
keep
and
open
[
17]
mind'l'hat
5
all.
lt]
affective.
So,
I
just
think
this
is
a
huge
issue
and
we
[
z]
have
to
move
with
care,
because
if
we
re
making
a
[
a]
recommendation
that
we
re
going
to
substitute
one
for
the
[
4]
other,
in
my
mind
that
s
a
very
big
recommendation
and
[
s]
I
m
not
going
to
go
there
lightly.
I
think
the
rest
of
[
s]
the
group
was
probably
in
that
same
place.

VI
MR.
LOEHR:
Mel.

PI
MR.
SKAGGS:
I
m
going
to
back
to
my
comments
of
191
nearly
a
year
ago
as
we
entered
into
this
process.
I
[
IO]
view
it
important
that
we
get
to
the
end
of
the
road
with
[
i
I]
as
many
of
these
remediation
tools
left
and
available
to
[
iz]
the
Agency
as
we
can.
We
want
as
many
tools
in
the
tool
~
131
box
as
we
can
have,
because
different
ones
are
going
to
~
141
work
different
site
settings.
And
to
the
extent
that
we
[
ISI
prejudice
the
system
to
disable
various
of
these
tools,

[
16]
as
alternatives
in
general
are
all
being
driven
out
of
MS.
PROBST:
Well,
what
I
m
saying
is
I
think
we
1171
the
Superfund
program
or
the
state
program
equivalence,
I
1181
[
lsj
need
­
it
s
an
area
where
people
like
me
just
don
t
know
1201
enough
And
so
I
m
not
going
to
sign
on
to
something
­
[
is]
think
we
did
disservice
to
our
mission
and
to
our
charge.

1191
And
I
just
ask
everyone
to
look
up
at
the
end
rather
than
(
211
you
know,
I
m
not
going
to
buy
the
Brooklyn
Rridge.
And
[
201
a
recommendation
that
we
use
WRDA
to
replace
Superfund.

[
ZI]
It
is
a
place
that
some
Superfund
sites
may
be
able
to
be
~
221
that
s
what
I
felt
like
what
I
wds
doing.
[
zz]
cleaned
up
or
partially
cleaned
up,
or
at
least
assessed
~­

Page
335
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337
[`
I
So.
I
think
if
this
is
an
area,
we
need
to
find
[
2]
a
way
to
get
infijrmation
that
those
of
us
who
aren
1
[
3;
knowledgeable
about
these
programs
feel
like
WC
re
[
4]
getting
straight
information
that
s
balanced
and
factual,

[
sl
bccausc
I
still
don
I
quite
get
where
this
money
is.
And
(
61
WC
d~
tln
I
have
that.
so
I
jusl
passed
it
along.

[
71
MR.
LOEHR:
Aimec.

PI
MS.
HOUGHTON:
I
m
pretty
much
on
the
same
page
[
s]
with
Kate.
I
didn
t
feel
as
though
we
closed
the
book
[?
o]
entirely
on
this.
Again,
we
were
reviewing
a
myriad
of
[
I
11
I'edcral
programs.
And
like
Kate,
I
m
not
quite
sure
[
IZI
whcrc
that
funding
comes
from.
So.
there
s
a
lot
of
[
is1
unanswered
questions
that
went
along
with
this.
We
spent
~$
41
a
lot
of'
time
talking
about
a
lot
of
thcsc
programs.

1151
From
;
I
community
prospective
as
opposed
to
a
researcher
[
i6]
prospective.
I
wouldn
t
be
comfortable
moving
forward
~
171
with
those
types
of
rccommcndations
until
we
had
more
[
is]
information.
until
we
better
understood
what
the
(
191
ranlilications
of
that
really
mean.
1
m
not
saying
that
[
zo]
some
of'
thcsc
programs
don
t
work.
I
happen
to
believe
[
Zl]
ill
3onw
instances
that
Ihc
Il(
XA
is
a
very
good
program
!
22]
thal
dots
things
in
I~
cclcral
IClities
that
arc
very
(
11
for
money.
And
I
would
not
recommend
that
one
replace
[
2]
the
other.
And
I
don
t
suggest
at
any
point
in
time
that
131
we
even
think
about
it.

I41
But
I
think
as
a
tool
in
a
tool
box,
we
don
t
do
151
Misorcnko
any
good
at
all
if
we
gel
at
the
end
of
the
~
61
road
and
the
only
tool
left
in
the
tool
box
is
a
modified
171
Superfund
that
requires
congressional
action.
I
don
t
[
a]
think
we
vc
done
anybody
any
good.
There
s
a
bunch
of
[
9]
sites
getting
cleaned
up
under
state
programs.
And
some
[
io]
of
them
are
big
sites.
Most
of
them
are
being
funded
by
[
I,]
I'RPS.
IIut
to
dismiss
it
out
of
hand
is
a
dismissal
of
[
IZI
one
of
the
tools
out
of
the
tool
box.
And
I
just
caution
`[
13]
everyone
to
think
about
ending
this
journey
with
at
least
~
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as
much
as
WC
started
with.

[
151
MR.
EHRMANN:
A
thought
occurs
to
me
that
[
16]
similar,
Mel,
to
what
you
laid
out
yesterday
on
the
[
i7]
funding
kind
of
tiered
scheme
of
ways
of
thinking
of
what
[
ia]
the
options
arc
that
kind
of
build
on
one
another,
which
[
I91
I
thought
was
very
helpful.
It
may
be
in
this
section
WC
~
201
need
a
similar
kind
of
conceptual
framework
as
WC
go
into
pi]
this
section
We
looked
at
Federal
programs
and
there
[
zz]
were
a
number
of
ways
you
should
think
about
the
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[
il
interaction
between
Federal
programs
and
Superfund.
Do
[
z]
they
have
a
big
pot
of
money
to
help
us
do
everything?

[
s]
Can
they
provide
incentives
for
Superfund
to
work
more
141
effectively
because
the
threat
of
other
programs?
Can
[
sl
they
have
centers
just
take
affect
where
you
have
161
combined
clean
ups
and
certain
programs
can
help
m
contribute
to
a
umbrella
Superfund
clean
up?
Can
they
[
sl
replace
Superfund?
Kind
of
lay
out
­
because
it
s
all
[
g]
here.
I
think
a
lot
of
it
s
here,
but
it
s
not
[
lo1
necessarily
laid
out
in
a
way
that
can
give
the
reader
or
[
I
11
the
receiver
of
your
report
kind
of
a
logical
tiered
walk
~
121
through.
I
think
it
s
a
matter
of
reorganizing
some
of
~
131
the
stuff
that
s
here,
and
then
people
can
kind
of
weigh
(
141
in
perhaps
on
where
they
re
comfortable
with
those
~
151
options
and
the
kind
of
strengths
and
weaknesses.

[
is]
Similar
to
what
you
said
yesterday
on
the
funding,
we
~
171
might
want
to
look
at
that
kind
of
progression
of
[
re]
thinking
in
this
section.

[
I91
MR.
SKAGGS:
To
my
knowledge
there
s
no
place
in
[
20]
the
country
that
has
more
different
programs
contributing
[
zil
regulatory
authority
and
funding
to
get
a
single
big
~
221
problem
cleaned
up
than
the
Grand
Calumet.
I
m
working
..­

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~
11
on
that
site
and
I
don
t
have
client
interest
in
that
[
2]
site.
Passed
or
further,
either
one
probably.
But
[
a]
there
s
a
lot
of
different
tools
being
used
to
slay
that
[
4]
beast,
and
we
need
to
think
about
when
we
get
all
through
~
51
that
both
ground
fis
money,
and
navigational
money,
and
161
Superfund
money,
and
whatever
else
we
can
fiid
to
throw
m
at
these
problems
will
be
thrown
at
them
so
that
we
can
[
al
get
them
cleaned
up.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Vicky,
we
passed
by
to
keep
a
[
lo]
continuity
and
thought
process.
Is
it
time
to
come
back
[
I
I]
to
you?

1121
MS.
PETERS:
I
don
t
know
if
everybody
else
(
131
wants
to
keep
going
on
this.

[
I41
MR.
LOEHR:
We
11
bring
them
back
in,
but
I
want
[
is]
to
make
sure
that
you
have
time.

1161
MS.
PETERS:
Mel
has
raised
this
issue
of
the
[~;
l
Calumet
now
since
last
June.
And
I
for
one
would
be
[
lel
interested
in
hearing
more
about
that
whether
it
s
going
[
rs]
to
Chicago
or
getting
in
a
presentation,
so
everybody
[
zo]
understands
what
he
s
talking
about.

VI
My
question
was
specifically
there
5
some
1271
language
in
here
that
says
see
related
recommendations
in
~­...__
­
Page
340
[
l
J
the
HRS
write
up,
and
I
don
t
understand
what
that
this.

[
2]
We
csln
continue
with
this
discussion,
but
at
some
poinL
[
3]
I
d
like
to
come
back
and
talk
aboct
­
that
s
on
page
[
4]
25.
Just
for
my
clarilicalion.

El
MR.
LOEHR:
Grant.

El
MR.
COPE:
Yeah,
I
also,
although
in
a
different
[
7]
vane,
be
more
than
happy
to
sit
and
discuss
the
vital
[
al
importance
of
Superfund.
The
equity
and
societal
need
[
s]
for
a
really
bigger
enforced
polluter
pays
principal.

IO]
And
the
absolute
necessity
for
ensuring
that
sites
don
t
I
I]
get
funneled
away
from
Superfund
fbr
a
whole
range
of
121
reasons.
Those
programs
have
vast
amounts
of
unmet
131
needs.
Political
earmarks
from
Congress
determine
what
141
money
they
have
by
enlarge.
What
s
left
over
is
of
151
questionable
value
when
you
look
at
the
needs
presented
161
by
the
program.

171
These
prograrhs
give
Superfund
program
sites.

ia]
They
re
not
thetk
to
really
address
other
sitcs.
They
I
.
191
generally
give
Superfund
program
sites.
They
have
weaker
201
standards,
comm
r
nity
participate
clean
up.
I
mean,
for
a
211
whole
range
of
r@
ons.
This
is
a
subject
that
s
221
certainly
near
an?
dear
to
my
heart,
if
for
no
other
Page
341
[
I]
reason
than
for
the
years
I
was
up
on
the
Capitol
IIiIl,

[
2]
this
is
a
long
time
desire
of
many
industries
that
want
[
3]
to
weaken
the
program.
Let
s
shunt
sites
away
from
[
4]
Superfund.
That
s
not
a
road
that
I
want
to
go
down.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Glen.

(
61
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
1
don
t
know
what
I
think
[
7]
I
heard,
but
all
1
can
say
is
with
all
do
respect,
I
live
[
sl
in
a
community
.
and
have
lived
there
my
entire
life.
My
[
s]
family
is
from
land
grant
folks
in
New
Mexico.
I
live
in
IO]
one
of
the
highest
crime
rate
communities
in
Albuquerque
1
I]
WC
have
two
Superfimd
sites.
plus
a
smidgen
of
everything
12)
else.
There
is
­
none
of
the
people
that
live
in
my
131
community
work
for
the
industries
that
polluted
the
141
community.
We
have
70
percent
of
first
language
Spanish
IS]
speakers
at
our
school.
It
really
scares
me
when
we
talk
161
about
polluters
not
paying.
1
believe
Ihat
polluters
owe
171
the
communities
that
they
poisoncd.
The
communities
Hal
181
have
beyond
poor
risks
of
health,
that
have
lost
pcoplc
is]
like
I
have
to
Lupus
and
diffcrenl
cancers
and
diffcrcnl
201
diseases.
And
so
1
have
a
huge
problem
when
WC
talk
211
about
passing
the
buck
on
somcwltcrc
clsc.

221
There
s
a
threat
that
communiltcs
are
no1
going
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~
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I
believe
vehemently
that
polluters
must
pay.
They
must
[
a]
be
holding
the
bag,
because
in
communities
of
color
that
141
have
been
disenfranchised,
communities
that
are
suffering
[
51
from
environmental
racism
that
­
I
m
very
strong
on
that
[
6]
subject,
because
I
live
it.
I
breathe
it.
I
work
it
and
171
ptay
it
every
day.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Glen.

PI
MR.
HAMMER:
I
m
going
to
go
back
to
something
[
io]
Mel
said.
I
think
we
have
to
find
ways
in
ail
areas
to
[
I
11
get
as
much
money
as
we
can
to
take
care
some
of
these
1121
problems.
I
think
Governor
Whitman
and
others
­

1131
MR.
LOEHR:
Glen,
refine
the
mic.
So,
you
ve
~
141
got
to
get
a
little
closer.
For
those
of
you
that
were
[
15]
here
yesterday,
you
have
to
get
real
close.
Thank
you.

L'
61
MR.
HAMMER:
I
think
we
have
look
at
a
number
of
[
17]
arcas
to
find
money
to
clean
up
these
sites.
And
I
don
t
[
ia]
think
this
section
does
justice
to
the
other
programs
1191
lhat
are
available.

[
201
The
second
point
1
would
make
­
I
want
to
go
~
211
back
to
what
Governor
Whitman
said
since
you
couldn
t
[
22]
hear
that
You
know,
WC
have
to
look
at
all
programs
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II
to
deal
with
that
issue.
Whether
it
s
here
or
anywhere,

121
now
to
do
it,
et
cetera,
because
this
isn
t
the
only
131
place
it
s
discussed.

[
41
MR.
HAMMER:
The
issue
­
if
I
could
have
one
[
q
other
point.
The
issue
I
have
is
how
does
how
does
some
161
of
these
things
relate
to
the
charge
of
the
group.

I71
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah,
I
understand.
There
are
181
several
issues
like
that
that
are
­
we
need
to
look
at
[
q
through
the
lens
of
the
charge.
That
s
one
of
them.

101
MR.
LOEHR:
Doris.

111
MS.
CELLARIUS:
I
d
like
to
make
three
points.

II
121
Number
one
point
is
that
the
polluter
pays
principal
is
131
one
of
the
strongest
pollution
prevention
principals
that
141
to
me
requires
that
we
need
the
umbrella
of
Superfund
for
151
addressing
the
contaminated
sitesThe
other
programs
[
lq
are
clearly
ultimately
at
taxpayer
expense
whether
it
s
1171
for
water
programs
or
whatever.
Rut
we
do
need
aII
of
[
ial
the
things
that
Grant
Cope
mentioned
that
are
part
of
1191
Superfund
including
the
early
community
involvement
and
[
zo]
the
tag
grants.
And
those
could
and
would
be
lost
if
[
211
certain
sites
were
spun
off
into
other
programs.

PI
`
I'he
next
point
is
I
think
that
the
expanded
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including
the
one
clean
up
program
that
Maryann
s
behind,
[
iI
financial
assurance
is
a
very
important
prevention
121
incltlrling
other
programs
that
we
have
out
there
going
~
21
measure
and
important
part
of
Superfund,
because
it
makes
~
31
back
to
Mel
s
point.
[
a]
sure
that
people
don
t
go
into
business
and
operate
?
I
But
the
other
thing
this
section,
and
I
m
not
[
41
without
having
the
resources
to
clean
up
something
if
151
sure
whcrc
this
comes
from,
is
the
pollution
prevention
is]
they
L`
ail
to
operate
properly.
And
that
s
very
important
[
q
piccc.
I
think
we
rc
going
to
tdk
about
that
and
I
m
~
6)
for
the
mining
industry,
which
is
having
such
a
hard
time
171
not
sure
how
that
got
worked
into
this
issue.
Thal
may
[
7]
ilnding
funds
to
clean
up
minesAnd
mines
today
[
BJ
be
a
subject
for
a
later
discussion.
Dut
to
me
when
181
continue
to
go
into
operation
without
having
the
funds
to
is]
we
rc
talking
about
things
such
as
the
contaminated
site
191
clean
up
a
spill
and
deal
properly
with
that.
So,
that
s
[+
OI
prcvcntion,
I
m
questioning
how
that
got
into
this
piece.
~
[
io]
another
important
Federal
responsibility.
!>,
I
Whrthcr
it
5
just
the
right
place
fit
or
nol.
1
m
not
Ii
11
Another
Federal
responsibility
is
something
that
[
121
sure.
So,
Lhat
5
questionable.
(
121
I
heard
from
some
people
in
EPA
that
mining
sites
and
1'
31
MR.
EHRMANN:
I
think,
yeah,
there
arc
several
1131
other
sites,
you
can
t
go
after
the
PRPs
if
they
re
owned
~
141
places
In
the
program
right
now
where
the
concept
of
[
i4]
by
a
corporalion
out
of
the
country.
And
he
said
!<
F,
I
pollution
prcvcntion
or
preventing
future
Superfund
sites
1151
Superfund
­
EPA
can
t
do
that,
but
the
State
Department
,161
comes
up,
and
then
we
have
the
piece
that
we
II
talk
(
161
could.
So
I
would
like
this
to
be
added
to
­
if
it
s
lrq
about
in
a
few
minutes
that
Grant
s
taking
a
cut
at
to
(
171
true
­
added
to
the
other
Federal
program
s
concept
that
(
18:
try
to
capture
that
in
more
ol'
a
section.
So,
I
do
think
1161
we
should
find
ways
to
go
after
multinationals
that
`
391
WC'
l1;
n.
r
to
take
:
I
look
at
how
you
want
to
deal
with
that
Ii91
pollute
our
country
and
locate
that
have
headquarters
pq
issue
I\
ut
right
now
I
think
your
observation
s
`
1201
outside
our
country.

~
1,
corn'cfion.
It
shows
up
in
scvcrat
different
places,
and
I211
MR.
LOEHR:
Larry
Starlicld.

[
zx]
the
group
s
got
to
make
some
decisions
about
how
you
want
PZ
MR.
STARFIELD:
`
1'
hanks.
A
couple
things.

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[
t]
First,
I
wanted
to
just
point
in
case
John
and
others
[
ZJ
aren
t
aware.
We
did
a
deferral
process
back
in
1990
(
31
where
we
looked
at
whether
we
should
defer
sites
from
[
4]
Superfund
to
lots
of
authorities
including
SMACRA.
And
[
s]
we
decided
not
to.
I
wish
I
could
remember
exactly
why.

[
sl
But
I
remember
simply
that
there
were
reasons
we
felt
~
1
that
wasn
t
comparable
to
Superfund.
There
s
a
record
of
181
some
sort
back
in
1990
that
might
be
worth
pulling
out.

191
And
it
didn
t
just
look
at
SMACRA,
it
looked
at
several
[
lo1
different
possibilities
of
programsAnd
I
guess
that
[
I
I]
some
of
the
reasons
discussed
in
terms
of
is
there
[
12]
equivalent
public
participation
and
protections.
And
[
13]
those
are
issues
that
I
think
it
would
be
very
helpful
to
[
i4]
get
the
groups
opinion
on.
In
some
sense
­
I
m
of
two
[
q
minds
on
this.
There
s
too
much
work
to
be
done.
If
[
js]
Superfund
takes
a
site,
and
that
s
one
less
site
that
[
t7]
will
be
picked
up
that
­
there
s
another
site
that
will
[
is]
be
handled
by
other
programs
if
Superfund
doesn
t
pick
it
[
tgl
up
and
it
goes
to
the
other
programs.
It
s
sort
of
a
~
201
zero
sum
game
in
terms
of
Superfund
can
handle
some
~
211
amount
of
work.
The
site
A
or
site
B
is
going
to
be
1221
handled
by
another
program.
So,
I
m
not
sure
that
the
­

Page
347
111
I
tend
to
think
the
right
answer
is
sort
of
getting
to
[
2]
the
coordinating
committee
a
little
early.
The
concept
[
3]
that
you
let
the
sort
of
the
region
and
the
states
sit
[
4]
down,
look
at
the
site
and
say
what
s
the
best
thing
to
[
5]
do
under
these
very
specific
facts,
and
is
there
another
161
program
out
there.
Rather
than
trying
to
have
a
national
m
policy,
which
is
we
tried
to
do
in
1990
and
say
all
[
a]
SMACRA
sites
could
go
off
the
NPL.
Is
that
the
right
(
91
answer
or
is
site
specific
analysis
that
looks
at
the
[
IO]
whole
range
of
options
based
on
the
very
specific
facts?

[
i
11
I
tend
to
think
we
d
do
better
if
we
looked
at
the
unique
[
I21
facts.

['
31
I
think
the
reality
is
that
you
want
to
take
[
14]
advantage
of
whatever
you
can.
The
helpful
thing
I
think
[
is]
from
the
group
would
be
if
you
could
weigh
in
on
some
of
~
161
the
differences
and
how
big
a
deal
it
is
not
to
have
[
17]
ARORs,
or
now
big
a
deal
it
is
not
to
have
the
community
[
1e1
grants.
But
taking
it
to
­
remembering
at
the
same
time
[
is]
if
we
decide
to
keep
that
site
on
the
NPR
or
keep
that
~
201
site
in
Superfund,
that
s
one
less
site
that
Superfund
(
211
will
pick
up.
And
that
other
sites
will
then
be
in
that
1221
non­
ARORs,
non­
community
realm.
Page
348
[
II
I
m
really
of
two
minds
on
this
issue,
except
to
121
say
that
I
think
it
s
a
type
of
decision
that
s
well
~
31
made.
I
like
the
idea
of
a
coordinating
committee
at
the
[
4]
regional
state
level
to
look
at
what
s
available.
State
~
51
Department
may
be
in
one
case,
but
to
try
to
deal
with
[
6]
these
issues
in
one
fail
swoop
I
think
is
probably
a
[
7]
mistake.

WI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Let
me
just
ask
the
­
because
we
[
9]
have
a
number
of
cards
up
and
only
about
five
minutes
or
i
01
so
left
on
this
topic.
So,
you
folks
could
keep
your
1
I]
comments
brief,
that
would
help
everybody
get
through.

121
MR.
LOEHR:
Steve.

131
MR.
ELBERT:
Thanks.
I
d
just
like
just
to
141
build
very
quickly
perhaps
on
some
comments
that
Larry
is]
made,
and
to
address
what
I
think
is
an
elephant
in
the
161
room
that
Grant
raised.

171
I
want
to
be
clear.
I
am
absolutely
for
181
diverting
sites
away
from
Superfund.
When
that
diversion
I
91
can
accomplish
the
health
and
safety
concerns
of
the
?
o]
communities.
I
don
t
believe
that
that
diversion
in
and
?
I]
of
itself
accounts
for
weakening
of
the
program.

!
2]
On
the
issue
of
international
companies,
I
m
Page
349
[
I]
personally
accountable
for
spending
$
512
million
this
[
21
year
for
a
foreign
company
in
dealing
with
environmental
[
3]
contamination
and
remediation
sites
in
the
U.
S.
It
s
a
[
4]
huge
expenditure.
It
s
one
that
we
have
to
take
very
~
[
5]
seriously.
We
have
to
look
at
how
these
issues
are
[
s]
managed.
How
s
the
best
way
to
get
the
most
bang
for
the
~
1
buck
out
of
that
money
s
that
spend?
And
the
implication
[
a]
that
doing
it
outside
Superfund
is
a
sort
of
a
derogation
191
of
the
process
I
find
objectionable.

(
101
MR.
LOEHR:
Wilma.

[
ill
MS.
SUBRA:
As
WC
move
through
this
process
over
1121
the
last
year,
we
ve
talked
a
lot
about
how
sites
move
up
[
13]
the
list
and
whether
they
fit
in
other
programsAnd
WC
(
141
heard
a
lot
about
state
programs
and
Federal
programs.

[
15]
And
I
think
if
we
look
at
this
is
do
they
lit
in
other
I[
161
programs,
or
do
they
not
tit
in
other
programs
so
1171
therefore
they
get
referred
to
headquarters
to
bc
listed.

,
[
re]
This
is
a
way
of
putting
more
meat
on
the
bones
of
do
[
19]
they
fit
in
other
fits.
As
opposed
to
arc
lhcrc
other
[
zo]
programs
that
a
whole
bunch
of
thcsc
sites
can
get
[
21]
differed
to.

PI
So,
I
think
if
WC
just
change
a
little
bit
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[
I]
the
focus
and
put
the
substance
here,
it
will
help
define
(
21
those
other
programs
and
how
they
do
or
do
not
fit
into
~
31
those
other
programs.
hnd
again
what
Larry
said
about
14)
equal
or
comparable
public
participation
is
an
important
151
issue.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Robin.

171
MS.
WIENER:
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
to
some
~
81
of
(;
lcn
s
comments.
I
share
his
concern
about
some
of
[
9]
the
recommendations
within
the
contaminated
site
~
101
prevention
section,
and
want
to
encourage
us
as
we
look
[
ii]
into
pollution
prevention.

1121
(
END
OFTAPE)

1'
31
MS.
WIENER:
­
for
a
division
20/
20
paper
that
____­­
__­­___

Page
352
[
II
worked
there
and
see
if
it
could
work
at
the
particular
[
z]
site
conditions
that
we
re
facing
now.
That
shouldn
t
­

[
a]
well,
I
guess
remains
to
be
seen.
But
I
suspect
that
is
141
something
that
if
we
find
this
good
examples
of
[
5]
coordination,
that
that
s
a
place
where
this
subcommittee
161
could
come
together
and
decide
that
something
that
would
~
71
be
valuable
to
offer
the
Agency
and
put
in
the
report.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Just
building
on
that
statement,

[
q
what
I
was
thinking
is
if
we
could
establish
­
one
way
lo]
to
construct
this
might
be
to
establish
the
kind
of
111
tiered
set
of
options,
or
not
really
options,
but
a
121
progression
of
thinking
about
the
ways
in
which
Federal
131
could
potentially
or
not
interact
with
Superfund
Iike
I
~
14I
she
issued.
Even
the
universal
waste
rule
and
some
of
[
jq
the
other
very
active
programs
that
arc
in
RCRA
that
arc
~
1141
laid
out
before.
And
also
lay
out
what
the
subcommittee
[
jq
trying
to
address
perhaps
some
of
these
same
issues,
but
I1151
would
feel
were
some
important
criteria
that
would
need
1161
to
be
looked
at,
and
this
has
been
discussed
before.
[>
q
in
a
very
different
way.
And
I
just
think
it
s
important
[
17]
Some
important
criteria
that
would
need
to
be
met
that
[
js]
that
we
look
at
that
as
part
of
the
frame
work.
[
ia]
could
be
applied
to
those
different
choices.
In
other
I191
MR.
LOEHR:
Mikc'I'ilchin.
[
ig]
words,
it
s
got
to
be
a
synergistic
opportunity
like
1201
MR.
TILCHIN:
You
know,
I
m
thinking
ahcad
on
[
zo]
what
s
going
on
in
New
Bedford.
What
are
some
of
the
(
211
this
particular
issue
and
getting
a
sense
that
it
might
[
ZI]
characteristics
that
those
Federal
programs
might
need
to
[
z]
bc
diflicult
to
reach
consensus
on
a
SUbStantiVe
[
zz)
have
to
be
effect
partners?
And
then
illustrate
some
of
Page
35
1
Page
353
111
rccc,
mmcnclation.
And
being
very
conccrncd
about
giving
[
i]
those
through
some
brief
case
examples.

121
(
inaudible)
of
something
of
value.
One
thing
that
I
PI
That
might
be
a
combination
of
a
way
that
would
[
q
suspect
WC
could
do
here
that
I
think
would
be
of
value,

(
41
and
picking
up
what
Mel
had
mention
in
Grand
Calumet.

15)
Thinking
about
what
WC
saw
for
a
couple
OS
hours
161
ycsterday.
Thcrc
arc,
and
I
say
this
word
with
some
(
71
trepidation,
there
s
some
cast
studies
that
WC
could
[
s]
refer
to,
and
I
would
Like
to
call
them
may
cvcn
case
iDI
paragraphs
that
WC
would
prcscnt
on
a
couple
of
sites
[
IO]
where
coordination
has
been
really,
really
affective.
I
1:
11
don
I
cvcn
think
we
d
have
to
say
very
much
about
those
!~
ZI
sitch
Isut
WC
could
say
something
about
thcm.`
l`
hc
~
131
agcncics
involved,
how
that
coordination
worked
at
a
very
~
141
sclcct
numhcr
of
sitcs.
And
actually
I
think
as
you
look
[
is]
at
thcsc
sites.
I
guess
somcwhcrc
in
New
Bedford
there
1161
was
a
coordinating
committee
where
a
lot
of
clients
were
1171
brought
tog&
her.
I
think
it
would
tic
very
wclI
into
[
ia]
that
coordinating
commiltcc
concept.

1191
liven
il.
the
rcadcrs
of
our
reports
say,
okay
it
jr01
worked
Ijcrc.
it
work4
thcrc,
it
worked
at
this
third
PI`
localic,
n
I
III
going
to
Jind
out
more
aborlt
that.
l`
his
`
221
is
5on~
c
dislancc
third
party.
Anrl
figure
out
why
it
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give
the
Agency,
I
think,
quite
a
bit
in
terms
of
~
41
insights
on
to
how
this
group
through
about
it,
combined
151
with
the
whole
coordinating
committee
concept
that
people
[
q
end
up
supporting
that.
It
just
seems
to
be
that
this
171
one
of
those
kinds
of
issues
where
you
get
in
trouble
if
isI
you
get
into
a
strictly
binary
kind
of
thinking
about
it.

[
q
You
know,
Federal
program
s
good,
Federal
program
s
bad.

I['
IO]
That
tends
to
happen
when
things
get
into
the
political
I
11
cnvironmcnt.
And
I
think
people
need
to
understand
that
121
this
one
of
those
issues
that
has
been,
as
Grant
and
131
others
has
referred
to,
sometimes
becomes
kind
of
11.
141
political
hot
potato.
You
want
to
kill
Superfund
and
put
151
everything
in
Federal
programs,
or
you
don
t
want
to
do
161
anything
with
I+
deral
programs,
you
want
to
preserve
171
Supcttimd.

181
I
think
this
group,
hopefully,
can
get
to
a
Ii
1191
finer
level
of
perspective
on
the
issue
if
we
structure
[
ZOI
it
cithcr
like
I
m
suggesting
or
some
way
like
that.
And
[?
I]
yet
still
give
people
what
they
need
in
terms
of
the
[
ZZ]
political
context
that
WC
rc
expressing
those
views
so
Min­
U­
Scrip&
(
15)
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[
I]
things
aren
t
taken
out
of
context,
which
would
be
a
[
zJ
problem.
Let
s
try
to
get
the
last
three
in
quickly.

I31
MR.
LOEHR:
Aimee.

L41
MS.
HOUGHTON:
Larry
said
something
aboutARORs
[
s]
that
made
me
want
to
give
a
broader
example
of
the
whole
[
s]
CERCLA
program
issue.
You
ve
got
a
PRP,
but
their
money
171
comes
from
the
Federal
governmentAnd
in
this
whole
[
a]
debate
about
Perchlorate
clean
up.
There
s
been
a
push
[
9I
by
the
Department
of
Defense
to
do
it
under
the
Safe
[
IO]
Drinking
Water
Act.
It
s
long
and
complicated
and
[
I
11
there
s
a
lot
more
detail
than
that,
but
I
m
not
going
to
[
in]
go
into
it.

[
I31
If
you
don
t
understand
Safe
Drinking
Water
Act
1141
versus
CERCLA,
that
sounds
good.
But
if
you
go
into
a
~
151
little
more,
what
you
begin
to
understand
is
if
there
s
[
i6]
no
national
standard
for
Perchlorate,
which
currently
1171
there
isn
t,
and
you
do
it
under
a
Safe
Drinking
Water
[
ia]
Act,
and
so
there
s
no
national
standard.
So
state
s
[
19]
can
t
gain
primacy,
because
the
way
you
can
gain
primacy
[
zo]
is
apply
for
it.
And
you
can
only
apply
for
primacy
on
[*
I]
contaminates
that
have
a
national
sknddrd.
So,
you
rc
~
221
kind
of
left
in
limbo.
Even
if
the
states
have
their
own
Page
355
[
i]
standard,
they
wouldn
t
be
able
to
enforce
it
under
Safe
[
z]
Drinking
Water
Act.

I31
If
it
remains
­
and
this
is
a
whole
legislative
[
4]
battle.
If
it
remains
that
the
cleanup
stays
under
[
s]
CERCLA,
there
s
still
no
national
standard,
but
states
(
61
have
promulgated
their
own
standard,
then
that
s
an
AROR.

[
a
And
states
can
then
enforce
the
standard
that
they
ve
[
a]
promuJgated.
This
is
not
a
hypotheticaLThis
is
going
[
g]
to
happen.
California
will
be
the
fist
state
to
[
IO]
promulgate
a
standardAnd
if
DOD
is
successful
in
their
[
I
11
bid
to
move
this
from
CERCLA
to
Safe
Drinking
Water
Act,

[
jz]
that
standard
that
California
wilJ
set
becomes
~
131
meaningless.
And
yes,
some
other
states
­
but
1141
California
s
going
to
be
the
first
probably
to
­

[
I51
But
at
any
rate,
this
is
a
ramification,
an
jjs]
unintended
­
maybe
by
DOD
s
calculation
and
intended
~
171
consequence.
But
the
reason
they
bring
it
up
is
because
~
181
when
we
talk
about
these
kinds
of
things
­
is
Jane
~
191
around.
I
was
hoping
Jane
was
here.

[
W
MR.
LOEHR:
She
is.

Pal
MS.
HOUGHTON:
Okay.

[
221
MS.
GARDNER:
I
m
on
my
best
behavior
today.
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[.

1.

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356
[
II
MS.
HOUGHTON:
As
we
go
down
this
path,
and
I
[
z]
don
t
want
to
stop
this
discussion,
but
I
want
us
to
have
[
3l
a
clear
picture
of
the
consequences
that
some
of
these
[
4]
actions
have.
And
I
m
all
for
leveraging
­
programs
[
5]
working
in
concert
with
one
other
and
that
sort
of
stuff.

[
S]
I
m
all
for
leveraging
the
best
tools
out
there
to
get
m
the
job
done
to
protect
human
health,
and
to
protect
the
[
s]
environment.
But
we
need
to
walk
down
this
path
very,

[
9]
very
carefully,
because
of
things
like
this.

101
MR.
LOEHR:
Vicky.

111
MS.
PETERS:
J
m
on
the
same
labeling
I
think
121
with
Mike.
He
took
a
lot
of
words
right
out
of
my
mouth,

131
and
John
and
Larry.
I
think
that
if
we
keep
it
at
the
141
principal
level,
we
re
not
going
to
get
anywhere.
And
wc
151
need
to
look
at
it
site­
specifically.
So
just
to
put
a
161
finer
point
on
it,
what
my
recommendation
would
be
is
to
171
get
some
of
these
cast
studies.
Calumet
WC
ve
heard,

181
Housatonic.
We
ve
heard
about
New
Bedford.
Maybe
WC
191
need
more
deals
about
that.

201
The
only
difference
between
mc
and
iMike
is
that
!
I]
I
don
t
know
that
this
group
is
okay
with
those.
I
think
!
2]
we
need
to
look
at
them
and
see
whether
Grant,
Aimec,

Page
357
[
i]
Dolores
are
comfortable
with
those
models.
If
they
arc,

[
2]
then
what
we
need
to
do
is
make
sure
that
our
report,
at
[
3]
least
is
neutral,
but
perhaps
would
encourage
that
model.

[
4]
Certainly
would
not
preclude
that
modcl.
And
if
there
[
5]
are
some
problems
with
them,
let
s
identify
them
and
give
[
s]
the
Agency
some
more
guidance
on
how
to
handle
that
kind
(
r]
of
situation.

PI
On
the
Housatonic
I
don
t
know
that
much
about
[
g]
it,
but
I
know
that
Brad
Campbell
was
involved.
hnd
he
s
IO]
no
slouch
when
it
comes
to
enforcement.
So
if
he
s
okay
111
with
it,
then
maybe
a
lot
of
other
people
around
this
121
table
would
actually
be
okay
with
it
if
they
knew
more
131
about
it.
So,
let
s
do
a
little
bit
more
information
141
gathering
and
see
if
can
build
on
the
case
studies
to
151
come
up
with
something
to
put
in
the
report.

1'
51
MR.
LOEHR:
Jane,
do
you
have
something
to
171
direct
to
that
point?

181
MS.
GARDNER:
I
m
not
in
point
a
rebuttal
and
191
all
that.
But
I
would
say
J
was
actively
involved
in
six
~
01
years
of
Superfund
negotiations
and
living
hell
li)
r
[
zi]
everybody.
Not
just
GB,
but
the
govcrnmcnl.
and
slate
01
[
22]
Connecticut,
stale
of
Massachusclts.
and
RI)
trustees.

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11
city
of
Pittsville,
et
cetcra.
And
I
d
be
more
than
[
n]
happy
to
talk
to
people
or
tell
you
from
our
perspective
[
3]
how
that
went,
and
that
Superfund
was
not
tne
driver
for
~
41
that.
It
was
the
inhibitor
of
that.
And
it
was
only
[
s;
when
(;
I!
sued
EPA
under
SuperFund
that
we
got
a
settlement
[
61
with
the
state
under
our
RCRA
permit.
And
it
was
not
a
171
Supcrfund
cleanup.
Maybe
Brad
was
involved.
I
never
saw
[
sl
him
once,
and
I
was
at
every
single
meeting.
I
stayed
in
(
91
Boston
39
limes
in
one
month
­
I
mean
one
year.

1101
MR.
EHRMANN:
That
would
be
twice
in
a
day.

[
I
11
MS.
GARDNER:
Yes.
It
seemed
like
a
month.
But
Liz]
I
never
saw
­

[
ISI
MS.
PETERS:
1
may
be
conlilsed.
I
may
be
(
141
thinking
of
the
Passaic.

[
I
51
MS.
GARDNER:
Yeah,
because
he
s
New
Jersey.

[
I
61
Maybe
that
was
one
he
­

[
I
71
MS.
PETERS:
So,
maybe
that
s
the
case
study
[
IB]
that
we
should
look
at.
Whatever.
I
guess
my
point
is,

[
ig]
Icl
s
ident;@
some
of
these
that
Mel,
you
know,
people
[
zo]
think
are
SL~
CC~
SS
stories.
Let
s
look
at
them.
See
if
~
211
l>
olorcs.
(
Grant,
other
pcoplc
agree
with
thcm.
And
then
[
22]
JCC
If
­
[
iI
Great
Lakes
Legacy
Act
next
year,
I
think
the
EPA
will
be
1
1zI
able
to
figure
out
how
to
clean
up
some
settlements,

~
31
unburden
Superfund,
and
still
have
good
cleanup
standards
[
4]
that
consistence
with
Superfund.
That
s
an
example
of
~
51
using
tools
that
are
sort
of
in
the
tool
box
right
now,

lq
but
making
sure
we
get
as
much
for
them
as
we
can.

[
71
There
s
an
awful
lot
of
sites
that
are
being
[
a]
cleaned
up
right
now
outside
of
Superfund
program.

191
There
s
really
a
bit
of
centricity
about
this
Superfund
[
lo]
group
where
we
re
unable
to
see
the
ones
that
are
not
[
I
11
being
cleaned
up
outside
the
Superfund
program
that
we
[
IZ]
all
owe
a
debt
of
gratitude
to
our
state
agencies
who
are
[
131
cleaning
up
a
whole
bunch
of
sites.
And
there
are
fringe
~
141
sites
that
are
somewhere
the
lop
of
theirs
and
the
bottom
~
151
of
this
program.
They
are
part
of
the
tool
box,
because
~
1161
they
arc
in
many
cases
dealing
with
those
borderline
(
171
fringe
sites.

[
Ial
MR.
LOEHR:
Sue.

I191
MS.
BRIGGUM:
Just
a
quick
comment.
I
think
[
zol
that
the
case
paragraphs
are
a
great
idea.
I
thought
`
1211
that
Aimce
s
comment
showed
me
the
sense
of
what
Larry
[
22]
suggested
in
terms
of
rather
than
making
wild
blanket
..~
..._____­___­

ill
MS.
GARDNER:
1
can
talk
­
EPA
on
its
websitc
121
thinks
that
the
Pittsvillc,
Housatonic
River
is
one
of
Page
359
Page
361
[
I]
statements,
we
should
talk
about
really
look
to
see
if
[
al
the
biggest
successes
they
ve
very
had
in
the
settlement
141
that
WC
had.`
I'here
s
work
going
on.
It
s
been
going
on
151
Ihr
years
since
our
settlement.
And
I
would
be
more
than
[
6!
happy
to
talk
about
the
dynamics
of
that,
you
know,
to
171
the
extent
that
it
s
not
confidential
and
try
and
present
101
a
balanced
view
of
the
good
and
the
bad,
the
yen
and
the
pi
yang
of'
it.
So,
if
anybody
want
s
to
do
that,
I
d
be
[
IO]
happy
to
do
that.

1'
`
I
MR.
LOEHR:
`
Thank
~
OLI.'~
O
continue
and
close
so
(
121
WC
can
move
on
with
the
state
program
and
other
things,

~
131
let
mc
take
the
three
that
are
up.
Mel,
Sue,
Grant.

[
I41
MR.
SKAGGS:
I
m
going
lo
be
really
quick.
I
(
151
don
t
think
you
give
up
competent
cleanup
standards
if
[
IK
you
use
statutory
authorities
other
than
CERCLA.
And
I
:`
TI
think
the
(
irand
Cal
will
provide
the
evidence
of
that
[>
el
whcrc
you
basically
have
­
you
have
Superfund
involved
ijnl
in
~
11~
project,
but
it
s
not
burning
up
a
whole
bunch
of
[
20]
111~
Fund
5
money.
And
I
believe
that
there
arc
other
pi!
oppor­
lunitics
to
Icvcragc
in
that
way.
[
2]
lherc
s
another
program,
because
I
would
say
if
there
s
131
no
standard
for
Perchlorate,
there
s
no
program
under
the
(
41
Safe
Drinking
Water
Act
for
that
contaminate.
So,
that
~
51
would
be
an
inappropriate
deferraLAnd
if
our
language
[
61
suggests
that
we
intended
that
as
a
hoisting
off
with
no
(
71
controls,
then
we
have
to
fii
it.

K+
l
MR.
LOEHR:
Grant.

PI
MR.
COPE:
Just
responding
to
Mike
s
suggest
[
TO]
about
case
studies.
1
ve
learned
not
only
from
past
[
i
I]
successes,
but
sometimes
I
learn
more
from
mistakes
as
~
121
well.
So,
I
would
suggest
that
if
we
re
going
to
do
case
`
1131
studies,
we
should
look
at
a
wide
variety
of
situations
[
14]
where
EPA
has
used
coordinating
committees.
I
would
[
is]
suggest
fbr
example
Bunker
HilLAnd
I
could
come
up
[
i61
with
a
list
of
a
couple
others
where
some
pretty
(
171
questionable
activities
have
been
done.
And
it
would
[
ia]
give
us
a
contrast.

I'
91
MR.
LOEHR:
With
that
then,
let
s
move
on
to
the
1201
NCLA.
which
is
the
state
program.
And
if
we
hold
to
If
they
show
up
with
a
whole
bunch
of
money
for
/
[
zi]
ahout
SO
minutes
­
I221
~
[
22]
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Could
somebody
just
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362
[
I]
briefly
address
that
HRS
thing?

121
MR.
LOEHR:
Yeah,
Molly.

(
31
MS.
MAYO:
Just
briefly.
I
think
it
was
141
reference
coming
from
inside
of
the
Federal
program
[
5]
thinking
not
from
yours.

161
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Can
you
give
an
example
[
7]
what
­
I
didn
t
see
how
it
fits
at
all.

w
MS.
MAYO:
As
we
developed
the
thinking
around
[
g]
Federal
programs,
I
think
there
s
an
acknowledgment
that
[
IO]
there
might
be
some
link
to
HRS
related
issues
that
we
[
ii]
would
want
to
develop
there.
As
I
understand
it,
we
just
[
WI
really
hadn
t
done
that
yet.
But
there
was
some
[
ISI
potential
overlap.
So,
it
was
a
place
holder.

I141
MR.
LOEHR:
Maybe
you
shouldn
t
issue.

1151
MS.
MAYO:
Yeah,
rhat
s
fme.
There
were
a
[
16]
couple
of
pollution
prevention
in
HRS,
a
couple
of
other
[
VI
things.
Maybe
it
s
really
more
of
a
coordinating
[
isI
committee,
or
an
early
screening
type
activity.
I
[
19]
absolutely
don
t
know
­

PO1
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
It
s
stiIl
not
clear
to
me
[
ZI]
how
it
would
fit
it,
but
that
s
okay.

WI
MS.
MAYO:
I
wouldn
t
worry
too
much
about
it.
_.._______~
~.
Page
364
[
l]
the
state
section
what
are
people
s
comments.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Mildred,
do
you
want
to
start
ofI?

]
31
MS.
McCLAIN:
Yeah.
1
just
want
to
say
that
[
4]
under
the
fust
recommendation
around
evaluating
the
[
5]
strengths
and
weaknesses
of
slate
s
specific
approaches
[
6]
that
we
somehow
include
that
there
should
be
focus
on
[
7]
community
involvement
strategies,
because
at
the
[
a]
community
level
there
s
a
lot
of
concern
about
how
states
[
g]
in
fact
do
approach
cleanup.

01
MR.
LOEHR:
Kate.

11
MS.
PROBST:
1
don
t
know.
1
m
going
to
say
z]
something
that
s
going
to
be
totally
unpopular.

31
MR.
LOEHR:
You
ve
got
the
floor.

41
MS.
PROBST:
I
guess
it
s
not
clear
to
me
given
51
our
charge
­
1
mean
1
think
these
are
two
very
61
interesting
studies.
I
tl
love
to
get
money
from
EPA
to
71
do
them
myself.
But
given
our
charge,
it
s
not
cxacrly
81
clear
to
me
that
they
re
at
the
top
of
our
list
of
91
studies.
We
re
not
evaluating
state
programs.
hnd
1
01
think
in
the
discussion
of
state
programs
and
Federal
i]
programs,
and
again
I
agree
with
Larry
I
m
sort
of
for
a
z]
coordinating
committee
at
the
regional
level
that
goes
Page
363
,
Page
365
[
I]
For
the
record
whoever
it
was,
and
I
don
t
remember
[
i]
site
by
site.
I
think
Lhere
are
some
states
that
really
[
ZJ
exactly
who
put
some
of
those
ideas
in
there.
We
II
have
131
to
follow
up
later
about
it.
I
don
t
mean
to
put
anyone
(
41
on
the
spot
right
now.

L51
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Okay.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
State
programs,
and
then
we
11
[
7]
take
a
break
after
the
state
programs.
Just
to
whet
your
[
a]
appetite,
Dick
Dewling
brought
everybody
donuts
this
[
s]
morning.
So,
we
11
get
through
this.
1
m
trying
to
[
IO]
create
an
incentive
to
move
through
this
segment.

1111
Starting
on
page
30,3
1,32,
is
where
you
might
~
121
want
to
focus
in
terms
of
kind
of
summary
[
13]
recommendations.
But
similar
to
the
Federal
section,

[
14]
there
are
obviously
important
fmclings
and
perspectives
[
15]
in
other
parts
of
the
section
as
welLAnd
some
of
what
[
16]
WC
just
­
1
would
ask
people
not
necessarily
to
repeat
[
iq
the
same
lines
of
argument
that
we
just
heard
for
(
181
Federal.
Obviously
those
of
us
who
have
been
listening
[
IS]
know
that
there
s
some
similar
themes
and
those
arc
[
zo]
certainly
acknowledged.
But
to
look
specifically
what
s
[
ZI]
hctc
on
the
side
of
the
stale
program
side,
rather
than
[
zz]
just
thinking
of
it
as
other
programs,
but
specific
to
[
z]
have
the
capacity
to
do
more
on
some
sites,
and
some
that
[
3]
don
t.
1
don
t
know
that
WC
need
a
Federal
evaluation
of
[
4]
these
in
terms
of
our
charge.
1
think
it
s
very
[
q
interesting,
but
not
clear
to
me.
And
there
arc
other
[
6]
things
1
think
we
alI
want
on
the
agenda
about
public
[
7]
involvement
and
public
health,
and
1
think
Iherc
s
a
[
a]
whole
­
we
ve
got
to
have
parking
lot.
There
s
a
lot
01
[
s]
issues
we
re
not
addressing
that
1
now
feel
that
are
sorl
[
IO]
of
morally
wrong
not
to
address,
but
we
need
to
put
those
~
II
i]
some
place
else
1
think.

114
MS.
McCLAIN:
1
was
responding
to
if
this
is
in
i
~
131
the
paper
that
tJlis
should
be
in
tJlere.

[
I41
MR.
LOEHR:
Wilma.

WI
MS.
SUBRA:
On
the
key
finding
issues
under
[
I61
number
3.
One
of
the
things
that
s
not
thcrc
and
is
not
(
171
explicit,
is
that
states
sometime
have
the
inability
to
[
ia]
cover
the
10
percent
patch
in
the
0
&
M.
And
1
think
[
IS]
that
needs
to
be
as
a
scparatc
item
under
nurttbcr
3
on
po]
page
29.

WI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Thanks.
Glen.

WI
MR.
HAMMER:
1
just
have
a
question
on
page
3
1
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[
I]
at
the
top.
It
says
some
Workgroup
members
suggested
[
z]
specific
state
of
purchase
that
might
bc
considered
for
]
a]
such
an
evaluation.
I
think
this
is
just
a
list
of
a
]
4]
bunch
of
ideas.
And
I
just
wonder
if
it
s
appropriate
to
151
bc
in
lhis
report.

IsI
MR.
EHRMANN:
I
think
the
­
well,
let
me
ask
~
71
l~
tizabeth
to
comment
on
this
since
she
was
involved
in
[
s]
the
draft
discussion.

PI
MS.
McMANUS:
I
remember
it
also
as
a
list
of
[
to]
ideas.
1
think
the
point
of
the
parenthetical
­
and
[
j
:]
I
II
look
around
for
other
people
on
the
Workgroup
to
[
IZ]
sort
of
chime
in
here.
But
I
think
the
point
of
the
[
ia]
parenthetical
as
1
remember
is
some
Workgroup
members
[
14]
LhOLlght
thdt
any
eva1UatiOn
Of
State
s
StrengthS
and
[
IS!
weaknesses
was
probably
a
bad
idea,
because
it
would
be
[
is]
very
hard
to
balance
it.
And
then,
of
course,
there
was
(
171
sort
of
no
Workgroup
agrcemcnt
that
this
is
the
right
[
ia]
list
It
was
just
sort
of
a
brain­
stormed
list.
1
don
t
[
ia]
know
if
other
people
want
to
add
to
that.
I
m
not
sure
[
zo]
exactly
what
­

[
211
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah,
1
understand.
I
think
that
[
Z
111
is
the
charge
of
the
subcommittee
was
to
take
a
look
and
[
z]
see
what
other
programs
might
be
able
compliment
assist,

[
a]
synergize
with,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
the
Superfund
~
41
program.
And
the
subcommittee
should
take
its
best
yack
Is]
at
what
it
has
a
chance
to
took
at
and
make
its
[
s]
conclusions
whatever
they
are.
But
it
wasn
t
the
charge
171
of
the
subcommittee
to
go
out
and
give
us
an
assessment
[
al
of
how
good
you
think
state
programs
are.
That
was
not
191
the
charge.
And
so
I
think
depending
how
you
want
to
IO]
answer
that
question
­
and
again
the
charge
is
not
a
I
I]
solid
black
line,
it
s
got
some
grey
zone
around
it.

IZ]
We
re
going
to
be
debating
what
s
in
and
what
s
out.

131
But
I
think,
correct
me
if
I
m
wrong,
Kate
was
141
suggesting
is
should
this
recommendation
be
in
here
at
151
all.
Because
it
s
not
directly
germane
to
the
charge
to
161
do
the
evaluation
of
how
good
state
programs
are,
you
171
know,
in
an
ongoing
fashion.
You
should
just
take
your
81
best
snapshot
and
make
your
judgment
based
on
what
you
ve
a]
been
able
to
learn.

!
O]
MR.
HAMMER:
I
don
t
have
a
problem
if
it
s
in
1221
the
lirst
issue
is
whether
you
want
to
just
have
­.
~~
~~~~~

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367
!
I]
there
or
not
I
have
a
problem
with
the
list.

WI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Right.
Well,
I
think
there
s
two
(
11
evaluations.
I
think
this
is
a
case
­
others
can
[
23
correct
me
if
I
m
wrong
­
this
is
a
case
where
the
[
a]
notion
of
evaluation
was
seen
as
a
way
to
try
and
find
[
4]
some
middle
ground,
if
you
will,
between
those
who
would
IS]
like
the
report
to
say
stale
programs
are
doing
some
good
]
s]
things.
it
s
good
laboratory
and
we
need
to
learn
from
171
it./\
nd
making
positive
statements
about
that,
and
[
8]
others
who
would
site
whal
they
see
as
negative
examples
[
s]
about
state
performance
and
want
to
take
the
counterview.

(
lo]
So.
what
do
you
do?
You
study
it.
You
know.
to
be
[
I
I]
honest.
I
think
that
s
were
it
came
from.
And
then
[
iz]
pcoplc
said
well
I
m
not
cvcn
sure
we
want
to
study.

[
la]
Well,
if
we
re
going
to
study
it,
we
better
took
at
these
[
id]
things.
and
they
listed
all
the
things
they
thought
ought
i!
5]
to
be
studied.
1
mean.
that
s
how
it
got
IO
this
point,

[
16]
Whether
it
should
be
in
there
or
not
is
another
subject.

1171
MR.
HAMMER:
Wctl,
that
s
my
question.

i'hl
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah,
no
I
don
1.

[
I91
MR.
HAMMER:
I
mean.
I
could
add
a
lot
of
things
[
zo:
to
the
list
just
like
everybody
clsc
in
here
co~~
td,
too.

[%
I]
And
wc
coulcl
go
off
on
a
thousand
diffcrcnt
paths.

w
MR.
EHRMANN:
llight.
i2nd
I
think
Kate
s
point
Page
368
Page
369
[
I]
issues
here.
One,
should
it
be
in?
If
it
s
going
to
be
121
in,
then
you
II
probably
want
it
to
be
responsible.
You
~
31
want
to
describe
what
should
be
in
itAnd
everybody
(
41
should
have
an
opportunity
to
build
what
they
think
are
[
51
the
important
issues.`
l'his
is
a
kind
of
a
brainstorm
[
sl
list
as
Elizabeth
said,
not
a
comprehensive
list
at
this
[
71
point.
So,
if
the
list
is
going
to
be
in
there,
others
i
[
a]
riced
to
have
an
opportunity
to
contribute
to
it.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Dick
Dewling.

[`
Ol
MR.
DEWLING:
The
environmental
longitude
for
[
I
11
years
has
cvatuated
the
state
programsAnd
I
don
t
see
[
IZI
anything
wrong
with
using
their
assessment
if
there
are
[
131
components
of
that
that
are
applicable.
I
mean,
the
1141
think
that
we
had
pointed
out
earlier
was
the
inability
Iis]
of
the
states
to
have
the
match
money
going
down
the
road
[
is]
and
some
of
the
other
frailties
of
some
of
the
states
in
~
171
the
long
term
that
could
be
a
problem.
Not
talking
about
[
IS]
the
short
term
capability
of
states.
But
it
would
seem
11
a]
to
me
if
you
want
to
use
that
as
a
basis,
I
don
t
think
1201
you
ought
to
reinvent
the
wheel.
hnd
I
would
be
really
1211
bc
interested
in
liPA
s
thought
on,
or
comments
on,
how
[
zz]
they
reacted
lo
that
report
from
ELI.
Because
to
me
I
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[
I]
think
they
funded
it
or
participated
in
the
funding.

121
Whether
they
have
frailties
in
it,
were
there
strengths
131
in
it.
And
rather
than
us
redoing
this
and
reinventing
[
4]
the
wheel,
I
think
you
can
pick
the
highlights
from
that
[
SJ
and
identify
what
some
of
the
areas
are
that
need
further
[
6]
focus.

VI
MR.
LOEHR:
You
go
with
that
point
directly?

PI
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Yeah.
This
is
just
a
[
g]
factual
clarification
from
a
Workgroup
member.
We
in
[
lo]
fact
did
read
the
ELI
study
and
Jay
Prentegrast
[
I
11
@
honetic)
came
and
we
talked
about
it.
And
from
two
~
121
perspectives
­
actually
it
s
fair
to
say
it
s
Grant
and
~
131
me
­
we
thought
that
it
was
insufficiently
informative.

~
141
Grant
thought
that
there
was
some
problems
with
state
[
is]
programs
that
were
not
revealed
by
that
study.
And
the
[
16]
business
participants
thought
there
were
a
number
of
very
(
171
creative
and
important
programs
that
we
had
experienced
[
re]
that
weren
t
captured.

[
I91
This
list,
although
it
s
brainstorming,
it
was
[
zo]
not
off
the
cuff.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we
spent
a
couple
(
211
weeks
among
the
business
people
compiling
recommendations
[
22]
and
doing
a
write
up.
Maybe
it
doesn
t
­
and
Grant
had
Page
371
[
i]
done
something
extensive
as
well.
Maybe
it
doesn
t
[
z]
belong
here,
but
we
have
to
reflect
the
fact
we
did
the
[
3]
work,
because
this
is
hours
and
hours
of
efforts.
Not
[
4]
just
kind
of
ill­
considered.

[
51
MR.
HAMMER:
But
how
is
that
helping
EPA
more
[
6]
than
what
ELI
pointed
out?
That
s
where
I
m
trying
to
~
71
get.

[
El
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Well,
for
example
we
[
g]
thought
that
some
of
these
items
that
are
mentioned
in
[
IO]
fact
would
be
useful
to
look
at
in
terms
of
ways
in
which
[
ii]
you
might
consider
another
program
rather
than
Superfund
~
121
in
order
to
do
a
site.
For
example,
we
heard
yesterday
[
is]
from
the
woman
from
Massachusetts
about
was
it
17,000
1141
sites
have
been
done
in
10
years
by
the
state
of
[
16]
Massachusetts
using
third
party
certification
for
[
IS]
oversight.
Seems
like
maybe
it
s
working
pretty
well.

[
171
We
would
suggest
it
s
worth
understanding
that.

[
181
MR.
LOEHR:
Betsy,
you
have
a
direct
comment
on
[
i9]
this?

PI
MS,
McMANlJS:
Yeah.
We
did
fund
that
ELI
study
[
zi]
and
provided
lo
the
Workgroup
to
take
a
look
al.
And
it
~
221
was
50
state
survey,
so
it
gives
of
the
same
standardized
­­____
­
­.
[
l]
information
for
each
stalc.
And
I
think
that
s
what
you
[
2]
aII
were
reacting
to.
Is
they
would
like
to
set
some
(
31
more
specifics
were
for
instance
a
state
that
had
a
!
[
4]
particularly
innovate
program
that
you
might
be
able
to
[
6]
tell
that
from
just
a
standardized
questionnaire
that
i
[
6]
they
Tied
out
for
the
ELI
study
would
bc
able
to
make
a
[
7]
presentation,
would
be
able
to
again
lesson
s
learned
il
[
a]
it
was
also
a
negative
approach.

,
PI
So,
one
of
the
things
that
we
had
decided
lo
do
I
[
lo]
is
to
request
that
this
ATSWMO
of,
you
know,
who
WC
give
([
I
I]
grants
to
each
year,
that
they
set
up
a
regular
system
of
i
[
12]
having
states
report
out
at
their
national
meetings.
So
i
[
is]
that
we
could
get
good
case
studies
of
innovative
`~
141
programs,
things
that
the
states
arc
doing.
And
that
`[
is]
would
be
a
way
that
we
could
on
a
regular
basis,
so
it
1161
wouldn
t
be
just
one
snapshot
in
time.
That
WC
could
get
`
1171
input
from
states
on
what
they
were
doing.

1181
MR.
LOEHR:
Any
other
direct
comments
on
that
[
IG]
one?
We
ve
got
a
couple
people.
Kale.

201
MS.
PROBST:
I
work
with
Jay
all
the
time.

211
We
re
in
the
same
building.
1
think
he
would
agree
with
221
the
concerns.
This
is
something
they
do.
I
don
t
think
­

Page
373
[
i]
they
get
pots
of
money.
It
s
not
superficial,
but
[
2]
they
re
trying
to
get
a
lot
of
information
across
the
[
3]
states.
It
s
done
via
paper
and
not
interviews.
So,
the
[
4]
quality
of
information
is
frankly
­
it
5
not
lhc
same
IS]
kind
of
information
you
get
talking
to
people.
I
think
[
S]
this
is
a
laundry
list
­
as
I
said
there
s
some
very
[
7]
interesting
issues
here.
I
m
not
against
the
study.
I
(
81
just
think
we
need
to
prioritize
for
EPA
as
a
group
the
[
G]
20
studies
we
ve
got
in
here.

101
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
areas
where
a
lot
of
I
11
use
in
the
policy
committee
community
want
to
know
more
IZ]
and
there
s
no
good
information
there.
Because
all
wc
vc
131
got
­
ELI
report
is
great,
and
before
WC
had
it,
it
was
141
terrible.
But
it
only
does
one
kind
of
thing.
And
Jay
151
would
agree
with
that.
It
s
not
an
in­
depth
study
on
16)
specific
issues.
So,
I
don
t
think
he
would
be
at
all
171
hurt
with
the
suggestion
that
there
s
some
other
kind
of'

181
research
about
states
that
would
be
uscfU.

191
We
learned
a
tremendous
amount
in
interviewing
`
01
the
nine
stales,
which
isn
t
cvcn
in
our
book
bccausc
1~

`
I]
had
too
much
information
of
the
nine
states
we
`
z]
interviewed.
So,
I
think
thctc
s
dearth
of
inli)
tmation
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i]
about
the
states.
That
s
Iike
the
only
study
I
vc
seen
[
z]
EPA
fund.
So,
I
actually
think
we
need
EPA
to
fund
some
[
3]
other
research
on
states.
I
m
just
questioning
whether
141
it
belongs
in
this.
But
Jay
wouldn
t
be
at
aII
hurt
by
[
5]
the
notion
that
there
are
these
other
topics
that
aren
t
161
included.

I71
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
That
is
our
prime
[
8]
objective
is
not
to
hurt
Jay.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
She
s
got
to
see
him
aII
the
time.

IjO1
MS.
PROBST:
I
just
mean
it
s
not
a
criticism
of
[
I
I]
what
III.
1
has
done.

[
421
MR.
LOEHR:
I
passed
over
Bob.
Bob
Hickmott.

[
I31
MR.
HICKMOTT:
llave
we
looked
at
capacity
1141
building
for
states
and
additional
funding
for
that?

[
ISI
Whcthcr
we
subscribe
to
the
13.1
list.
When
we
were
in
(
161
Arizona,
we
heard
some
programs
down
there
that
seemed
to
1171
work.
And
the
Massachusetts
classification
program
[
is]
seems
to
work.`
I'his
would
be
in
addition
to
calling
for
[
ig]
more
funding
for
Superfund,
but
it
seems
like
capacity
[
ZO]
building
would
be
something
that
would
bc
political
[
Z~
I
popular
in
<
Congress
for
additional
money
that
goes
to
the
[
ZZI
states.`
l`
he
states
don
t
have
the
money
now
as
it
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376
[
I]
reasons
or
from
community
participation
reasons.
My
[
z]
particular
state
doesn
t
mandate
community
participation
[
3]
amazingly
enough.
AlI
they
have
to
do
is
notify
the
town
[
4]
clerk
of
what
the
remedy
is
of
what
was
chosen.
Just
a
[
5]
notification
issue.

1
[
Cl
I
don
t
think
that
s
holding
any
back.
I
~
71
haven
t
heard
of
any.
But
I
think
that
s
something
I
I
I
18:

19:

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i[
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ial
1191
I201
El!

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worthwhile
for
EPA
to
look
at.

MR.
LOEHR:
Vicky.

MS.
PETERS:
I
have
similar
concerns
that
have
been
voiced.
When
you
have
a
list
this
long,
even
though
it
says
including,
it
kind
of
gives
the
impression
that
it
is
kind
of
an
exhaustive
list.
I
m
not
convinced
it
is.
I
personally
was
very
intrigued
by
the
Arizona
idea
of
not
deleting
sites
from
their
priority
list.
Because
I
see
tremendous
and
troublesome
problems
with
what
EPA
is
doing
with
deletion.
I
think
they
re
really
contorting
this
system
to
get
beans.
So,
I
m
intrigued
with
that
idea.
WC
could
add
that
and
if
we
go
around
the
table,
we
could
end
up
with
a
lot
more.
I
m
just
not
sure
if
that
s
worth
it.

I
wanted
to
get
back
to
Wilma
s
point.
I
don
t
Page
375
'

[
II
exists.
Maybe
that
s
something
we
think
about
as
a
[
2]
specific
recommendation
for
more
funding
for
capacity
(
3)
building
over
and
above
the
EPA
Superfimd
budget.

[
41
MR.
LOEHR:
Ed
Putman.

El
MR.
PUTNAM:
I
kind
of
view
what
the
states
are
['
I
El
PI
[
41
[
51
think
that
actually
her
point
­
I
think
what
you
said
was
the
state
cost­
share
for
0
&
M
­
wasn
t
that
your
­

MS.
SUBRA:
And
10
percent
match.

MS.
PETERS:
And
10
percent
match.
The
number
3
[
6i
doing
as
generally
just
keeping
sites
off
the
NPL.
El
(
71
`
L`
hcrc
s
talk
in
here
of
deferral
to
the
states.
I
don
t
I
m
[
a]
see
it
that
way.
I
see
it
as
the
states
refer
to
EPA.
PI
191
And
I
think
shout
­
you
re
going
to
study
50
states.
PI
[
IO]
You
actually
can
only
10
at
a
time,
right?

1'
`
1
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Nine.

[`?
I
MR.
PUTNAM:
Nine.
So,
if
WC
asked
IIPA
to
study
wi
[
Ill
1121
[
IS]
the
states,
you
rc
not
going
to
get
anywhere.
There
s
50
~
141
plus
ways
of
doing
out
other
including
the
territories
[
is]
and
things.

1161
You
only
thing
I
see
that
is
probably
worthwhile
I131
where
she
wanted
to
put
it,
I
think
was
reaIIy
talking
about
states
basically
taking
the
lead
on
sites.
So,
I
m
not
sure
that
it
belongs
there.
But
it
s
been
raised
since
we
started.
And
I
think
really
if
we
re
not
going
to
actually
talk
about
it,
it
needs
to
be
one
of
those
issues
that
s
highlighted
for
EPA
to
do
a
lot
more
work
on.
I
would
like
to
at
some
point
kind
of
focus
on
it.

Dick
Ijeweling
s
raised.
I
ve
raised.
It
s
a
huge
train
wreck.
I
think
it
needs
due
regard.

[
I41
FlSl
:'
61
MR.
LOEHR:
Grant.

[
17]
ti)
r
I%(
is
the
thongs
we
ve
been
talking
about
from
the
[
ia]
angle
01`
arc'
the
stales
prcvenling
Superfund
sites
from
[
i
0)
actually
becoming
Superfund
sites.
And
that
might
be
[
20]
worthwhile
for
IiPA
IO
look
at,
is
to
survey
what
state
[
zi]
programs
arc
doing
to
see
whether
it
indeed
is
keeping
[
171
1181
[
I91
PiI
1771
NI'I.
site>
from
becoming
NPI.
sites.
I'.
ithcr
from
funding
MR.
COPE:
Just
building
on
what
Ed
talked
about
earlier.
It
seems
to
me,
at
least
on
page
30,
and
I
know
that
we
rc
not
talking
about
issues
now.
But
that
s
a
critical
distinction
to
make,
because
it
states
­
I
mean,
I<
PA
gets
sites
from
states.
They
don
t
defer
sites
to
states.
I
think
that
s
an
important
distinction
to
make,
kc:
u~
se
it
sets
the
stage
for
everything
else
that
.
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[
Al
Building
on
the
issue
of
state
capacity
to
clean
[
2]
up
sites.
I
think
we
should
look
at
the
Brownfields
[
q
biU.
States
get
money
from
EPA.
In
the
law
there
are
[
4]
criteria
that
are
written
out,
a
variety
of
criteria,

[
5]
that
are
meant
to
be
guides
for
states
when
building
[
s]
criteria.
I
know
that
some
people
in
EPA
would
like
to
[
n
interpret
that
as
meaningless
criteria,
but
I
think
once
[
a]
you
take
a
look
at
the
statutory
language
and
also
the
[
q
legislative
history,
that
s
incorrect.
And
I
think
it
:
io]
merits
further
examination.

:
111
With
respect
to
the
ATSWMO
issue,
and
Ed
raised
,121
this
before
and
I
don
t
know
how
you
guys
dealt
with
,131
this.
But
I
think
it
highly
unlikely
that
ATSWMO
would
,141
want
to
air
their
dirty
laundry
in
way.
So,
you
re
151
likely
to
get
more
positives
than
negatives
if
you
will.

:
16]
And
I
think
it
s
extremely
important
to
follow
up
on
,171
where
maybe
the
states
maybe
aren
t
doing
as
good
as
they
ia]
can.
Because
when
you
look
at
the
charge,
when
you
look
,
q
at
future
of
the
NPL,
that
s
what
I
think
is
going
to
120)
have
the
biggest
impact.
They
re
going
to
be
giving
1211
sites,
not
taking
them
away.

.
w
I
didn
t
want
to
let
this
pass.
With
respect
to
Page
379
[
I]
the
Arizona
program,
what
we
heard
was
a
lot
about
the
121
community
participation.
But
we
didn
t
really
hear
about
[
3]
so
many
sites
that
had
gone
through
the
entire
process.

141
We
heard
a
lot
about
budget
problems
and
potential
[
q
inability
to
actually
fund
the
program
in
the
future.
We
[
s]
didn
t
really
hear
about
how
they
re
going
to
address
171
those
problemsAnd
this
gets
back
to
the
case
study
[
q
issue.
When
we
actually
kind
of
argued
by
analogy,

[
g]
argued
by
referenced
to
what
is
really
anecdotal
,~
a]
evidence,
I
think
we
should
enter
that
dialogue
with
a
1
I]
very
full
understanding
what
we
re
talking
about,
which
121
is
generally
very
narrow
limited
scope
of
facts.

131
I
couldn
t
second
more
heartedly
the
10
percent
141
match
in
0
&
M
issue
on
states.
Particularly
given
the
151
amount
of
containment
that
has
been
used
at
these
sites
161
That
s
just
going
to
be
huge
issues.
And
I
think
we
d
do
:
17]
a
distinct
disservice
not
looking
into
it.

:
I61
MR.
LOEHR:
Gary.

.
I91
MR.
KING:
I
really
enjoyed
Deirdrc
s
~
201
presentation
yesterday.
I
thought
it
was
a
very
good
[
21]
one.
I
enjoyed
it,
because
I
felt
like
1
d
given
the
~
22]
same
presentation
in
Illinois
like
a
week
ago
talking
~
~.~_..
[.

I'

['

I'

['

['
Page
380
[
i]
about
our
program.

PI
From
a
state
manager
s
standpoint
in
looking
at
[
3]
your
cleanup
programs
there
s
this
­
and
I
certainly
[
4]
picked
this
up
from
Deirdre
s
presentation,
there
s
this
[
s]
complex
continuum
of
remedial
mechanisms.
There
s
a
[
s]
whole
range
of
things
in
which
the
NPI,
program
is
just
[
7]
one
portion
of.
Significant
portion,
but
it
s
only
one
[
a]
portion
of
everything
that
happens
within
a
state.
To
[
q
survey
things
­
I
mean,
we
have
from
­
I
m
real
active
IO]
withATSWM0,
and
as
Betsy
was
saying
we
have
­
it
s
at
1
i]
least
three
times
in
a
formal
setting
thal
we
re
silting
121
down
between
states
and
EPA
going
through
problems,

131
discussing
problems,
trying
to
seek
some
resolution
01
141
those.
And
then
countless,
countless,
countless
other
is]
sets
of
conversations
talking
about
specilic
issues
about
161
how
states
and
Federal
government
are
interacting
and
171
working
together.

181
Grant
mentioned
the
10
percent
issue.
It
s
a
191
huge
issue
for
states.
We
ve
been
working
with
EPA
on
zo]
should
cleanups
be
structured
diffcrcntly
in
light
01
?
I]
some
of
those
long
term
concerns.
As
to
what
you
do
on
!
z]
the
front
end
as
far
as
your
remedial
actions.

Page
381
[`
I
I
guess
I
kind
of
wonder
what
would
be
the
point
[
2]
of
recommending
­
if
you
re
recommending
that
those
kind
[
3]
of
(
inaudible)
relationships
continue,
I
think
that
would
[
4]
be
appropriate.
But
to
the
idea
that
would
be
some
kind
[
q
of
new
study,
I
don
t
know
what
that
even
­
hard­
prcssctl
[
q
to
see
what
that
would
really
be
focused
on.

Irl
MR.
LOEHR:
Dick.

H
MR.
DEWLING:
Just
a
comment
that
was
written
[
q
here
at
EPA
state
cooperation.
Regarding
on
the
bottom
IO]
of
page
31
going
to
top
of
page
23.
That
some
group
I
11
members
had
serious
concern
about
how
EPA
is
121
collaborating
with
states
on
response
action
and
did
not
131
support
continuation
of
these
cfforts.
That
suggests
to
141
me
that
there
were
emergency
actions
that
had
to
be
151
taken,
RERM,
and
the
Agency
didn
t
take
them
or
states
161
wanted
them
to
be
Ldkcn.
I
m
confused
what
that
means.

171
To
me
it
s
significant,
because
it
says
there
arc
issues
181
out
there
where
people
are
impacted,
and
it
s
like
a
191
playoff
between
the
state
and
the
Federal
government.
I'

I'

['

1:

,
I1
[
I
k
WI
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Yeah.
and
you
know
wht?

[
21]
`
I`
hdt
WdS
probdbly
a
poor
choice
of
words.
Probably
on
rn)

[
22]
part
to
use
response
actions
instead
ol`
:
I
broader
term.

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q]
Because
my
sense
is
that
from
the
Workgroup
discussions,

[
z]
that
that
s
a
broader
concern
that
some
Workgroup
members
[
3]
have
with
state
and
EPA
collaboration
on
remedial
[
4]
programs
more
generally.
So,
it
wasn
t
meant
­
as
far
[
s]
as
I
remember,
it
wasn
t
meant
to
be
specific
to
response
[
s]
actions.
It
was
a
broader
concern.

[
71
MR.
DEWLING:
Okay.

PI
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
1
understand.
That
s
what
[
g]
you
get
when
you
have
someone
from
the
RCRA
program
write
ia]
these
programs.

i:]
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
But
what
does
it
refer
to?

'
21
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
The
second
half
doesn
t
make
131
any
sense.

'
41
MR.
LOEHR:
It
doesn
t
make
any
sense.
It
151
throws
a
flag
up
there
to
me
that
there
s
a
problem.
But
161
you
re
saying
it
s
written
incorrectly.

171
MR.
EHRMANN:
Maybe
it
doesn
t
need
to
be
there.

is]
Or
do
you
want
to
­
do
you
have
a
comment?

'
91
MR.
KING:
Yeah.
if
it
s
with
respect
to
zo]
comments
that
1
vc
made.
I
ve
got
concerns
when
you
look
211
at
how
IPA
is
operating
with
states
and
also
Federal
zz]
agencies
in
kind
of
sectioning
out
larger
sites.
That
s
[
I]
one
concern
that
1
have
raised.
Because
you
get
into
[
z]
multi­
jurisdictional
issue,
it
could
really
inhibit
the
~
31
flow
of
information
between
agencies
and
communities.

141
`
I`
hcrc
s
other
situations
where
you
see
EPA
not
151
really
fi)
rcing,
1
think
in
a
responsible
way.
states
to
[
6]
kmd
of
build
capacity
in
their
programs,
and
they
just
[
71
kind
of
let
them
lay
fallow.
And
unfortunately
the
[
a]
communities
in
those
states
arc
kind
of
left
languishing.

p]
They
really
don
t
have
a
good
­

['
01
MR.
LOEHR:
That
s
not
a
response
action.
I
[
I,]
think
the
buzz
word
here
is
­
the
inference
here
is
that
(
121
there
are
bleeders
out
there
that
nobody
s
doing
anything
1131
alx~
llt
['
41
MR.
KING:
I
think
that
that
is
the
case
when
[
ISI
you
take
a
look
at
some
states
[?
fi)
MR.
LOEHR:
Of
bleeding?
YOLI
vc
got
people
~
171
sick.
You
vc
got
drums
llowing
at
the
rivcrs.
You
vc
[
Is]
got
lhosc
types
of
siluations
out
there?

I191
MR.
KING:
If
we
want
IO
take
a
trip
tlown
to
[
XI]
Alalx~
ma
or
Mississippi
or
­

[
21)
MR.
LOEHR:
No,
1
m
saying
whcrc
an
cmcrgency
$
2)
acl~
cm
could
be
tdken.
Is
the
Agency
or
~
hc
state
___
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384
[
II
arguing
over
whether
or
not
you
should
take
an
emergency
[
z]
IRM?
Because
that
s
what
it
says
here.

131
MR.
KINGS:
Well,
response
action
actually
(
41
refers
to
remedial
as
well
as
removal.

Fl
MR.
LOEHR:
Your
interpretation
of
response
[
s]
action
is
the
whole
system.
My
interpretation
of
(
71
response
action
is
an
IRM,
immediate
remedial
measure.

PI
MR.
KING:
No,
no.
CERCLA
defines
response
Is]
action
as
both
removal
and
remedial,
as
well
as
1
think
io]
other
consistent
actions.
So,
it
s
actually
more
I
11
encompassing
than
just
removals.

121
MR.
EHRMANN:
Well,
the
point
is
­
your
comment
131
that
ended
up
in
the
report
was
intended
to
address
the
141
broader
issue,
not
a
specific
emergency
issue
you
re
151
talking
about.
That
s
my
understanding.

161
MR.
LOEHR:
We
ve
got
a
sentence
that
s
171
inappropriate
there
and
needs
clarification
if
continued
is]
to
be
used.
That
s
been
brought
up.
Other
questions
and
IQ]
comments
at
this
point.
Jason.

201
MR.
WHITE:
1
don
t
know
if
this
is
the
right
­

zi]
since
it
s
under
slate
evaluation.
1
m
working
­

221
between
the
subcommittee
we
also
mention
a
problem
that
Page
385
[
II
was
concerning
with
­
I
guess
what
s
the
word
1
m
[
z]
looking
for?
Where
you
have
a
dispute
between
states
and
;
[
3]
tribes.
Would
that
be
a
good
section
to
put
that
in
~
41
there,
because
1
know
we
had
mentioned
it
at
the
very
[
s]
beginning
of
the
Workgroup
and
then
we
had
also
mentioned
[
s]
it
during
the
presentations
during
the
tribal
panels?

~
71
Ken
and
1
don
t
have
these
problems,
but
I
know
some
of
[
a]
the
tribes
out
further
west
do
have
these
problems.

PI
Not
meeting
with
the
subcommittee,
would
it
be
[
IO]
okay
to
recommend
to
maybe
EPA
just
look
into
developing
[
ill
a
better.
or
at
least
a
policy
on
how
to
resolve
these
[
IZ]
disputes.
Because
right
now
there
is
nothing
really
in
[
13]
there.
It
s
just
made
up
to
the
administrators
­
1
(
141
guess
Maryann
s
digression,
1
think
that
s
the
way
it
s
)
1151
written.
Right
now
for
the
tribes
that
would
be
nice
to
[
16]
see
at
least
a
policy
written
how
they
would
be
able
to
~
171
solve
their
confrontation
between
states
and
tribes.

[
IsI
MR.
EHRMANN:
1
think
this
is
certainly
a
I
:
[
19]
sectlon
where
that
kind
of
thing
if
it
s
going
to
be
in
i
[
zo]
the
report,
probably
makes
sense
to
be
in
this
chapter.

pi]
V7c
II
follow
up
on
that
in
terms
what
kind
of
language
[
zz]
mighl
make
sense
so
people
can
take
a
look
at
it.

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Any
other
comments
on
this
particular
issue?
Ed
p]
Lorenz.

PI
MR.
LORENZ:
I
don
t
know.
This
is
an
141
uncertainty
on
my
part,
but
I
ve
been
thinking
about
this
[
5]
for
the
last
few
minutes
as
we
talk
about
this.
It
seems
161
Iike
some
of
the
concerns
with
the
states
and
the
[
7l
interest
in
the
states
is
aImost
more
a
matter
of
­
not
[
a]
to
give
them
some
(
inaudible)
­
but
the
measuring
191
program
progress
­
if
we
re
looking
at
how
the
states
[
IO]
are
doing
at
specific
sites
rather
than
the
general
issue
[
i
11
of
states,
which
I
think
a
lot
of
this
is
more
related
llz]
to,
the
specific.
How
does
New
Jersey
respond
as
opposed
(
131
to
Idaho
or
something
Iike
that.
It
seems
Iike
we
might
1141
capture
more
of
this
by
moving
it
out
of
a
general
state
1151
issue
into
a
specific
measurement
of
how
we
re
doing.

[
IGJ
Itsathought,
not
committed.

I171
MR.
EHRMANN:
0kay.
A
couple
of
culinary
[
IS]
matters
for
your
consideration.
One
is
as
I
mentioned.

[
ig]
Dick
DewIing
is
walking
in
the
back
was
kind
enough
to
(
201
purchase
­
he
s
going
back
to
make
sure
hc
gets
one
of
[
21]
the
donuts.
So,
we
appreciate
that,
Dick,
very
much.

[
22]
And
secondly,
our
original
plan
for
lunch
was
to
say
on
Page
386
[
i]
we
do
this
and
it
comes
in
at
noon,
then
perhaps
we
could
[
2]
make
a
45
minute
lunch
break
instead
of
an
hour
and
I5
[
3]
minute
lunch
break.
We
Il
do
lunch
in
45
minutes
and
141
reconvene
at
a
quarter
to
one.
The
food
should
be
here
[
5]
at
noon.
So
that
should
give
people
plenty
of
time
to
­

r­
3
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
We
need
45
minutes
to
eat
r/]
pizza.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
People
plan
on
phone
calls
and
[
q
other
things
they
re
doing.
If
we
try
to
make
it
much
IO]
quicker,
it
won
t
workAll
right.
Should
we
take
our
I
I]
break
now
for
the
donuts?
Fifteen
minute
break.

121
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END
OF
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131
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
­
the
process,
and
then
141
we
just
get
a
longer
process.
The
PRP
surge,
the
KIFS.

151
So,
I
m
just
a
little
concerned
on
the
practical
side.

161
Not
that
these
arcn
t
good
ideas.

'
71
Second
thing
about
this
section
is
this
section
la]
is
that
it
wasn
t
clear
to
me
if
we
were
talking
only
191
about
fund
lead
actions
or
only
about
KPR
actions.
So,

201
is
this
related
to
funding
issues
or
is
this
reIated
to
211
some
larger
policy
issue?
Are
we
talking
about
this
to
221
say
a
PRP
lead
sites,
as
weII
as
­
to
me
it
seemed
like
[:

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387
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389
[
I]
your
own.
However,
once
getting
here
and
examining
the
[
z]
geography
carefully,
there
s
not
a
lot
of
options
(
31
particularly
if
it
s
going
to
be
raining.
So,
we
re
[
4]
going
to
order
pizza,
bring
that
in.
That
will
be
here
[
5l
at
noon.
We
re
getting
a
wide
variety.
We
II
have
some
[
s]
pepperoni,
we
Il
have
some
cheese,
and
vegetarian,
we
11
[
7l
have
the
whole
kind
of
meat­
lover,
anything
you
want.
A
[
a]
nice
thing
for
a
nice
diverse
group.
If
by
some
chance
[
9]
pizza
as
a
category
is
not
something
that
you
can
eat,
we
[
IO]
can
get
a
salad
for
you
or
something.
We
don
t
want
to
1111
get
a
bunch
of
salad
though.
I
m
not
doing
this
for
the
[
12]
dieting
thing,
aII
right.
This
is
a
dietary
requirement
113)
salad.
Not
a
I
d
Iike
the
Greek
with
the
blue
cheese.
[
I]
it
was
just
about
money,
and
shifting
money
around,
in
[
2]
which
case
1
would
think
it
would
only
be
fund
lead
[
3]
action,
but
that
raises
all
sorts
of
other
issues.
So,

[
4]
just
a
question.

[
51
Third
point
is
that,
I
think
this
agreeing
with
[
6]
Vicky,
if
this
about
prioritization,
or
as
I
would
call
[
7]
it
somewhat
more
critically,
triaging.
That
we
don
t
[
a]
have
enough
money,
so
we
have
to
make
choices.
I
d
be
[
g]
more
comfortable
doing
that
after
the
ROD
stage.
Not
IO]
before
it,
because
that
provides
some
means
01
I
I]
accountability
for
EPA.
Once
those
are
ROD,
cvcn
though
12)
it
might
change
in
the
RD
stage,
there
is
a
proposed
131
remedy.
And
that
I
think
gives
the
community
and
states
1'

[.

I
~
141
We
Il
have
sodas
and
drinks
and
things.
[
14]
and
others
sort
of
more
to
go
on
than
if
thcrc
s
a
[
I51
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
If
you
re
lactose
`[
is]
proposed
remedy
and
then
it
s
delayed
or
deferred.
at
[
16]
intolerant,
you
can
get
a
salad.
[
16]
least
we
sort
of
know
what
it
was
even
if
wc
have
Lo
[
I71
MR.
EHRMANN:
That
s
right.
That
s
what
I
m
1171
revisit
it.
So,
I
guess
I
m
more
comfortable
once
there
lia]
talking
about.
You
qualify
if
you
re
lactose
intolerant.
[
ia]
is
a
formal
record
of
decision
that
s
been
signed
FigI
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
Does
this
mean
we
re
going
~
[
tg]
prioritizing,
than
I
am
bcforc
that
stage.

[
eo]
to
have
a
working
lunch.
[
w
The
other
thing,
and
I
realize
this
:
I
broken
1211
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah.
I
haven
t
had
a
ch;
lflce
to
~
211
record,
but
while
this
was
written
up
to
say
it
wo~~
lcl
[
z]
consult
with
the
caterer
on
this,
but
I
would
suggest
il
[
22]
increase
transparency,
thcrc
s
actually
nothing
in
thus
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[
I]
proposal
to
me
that
increasing
transparency.
And
I
go
[
z]
back
to
­
not
that
1
love
DOE
and
DOD
by
any
means,
but
~
31
EPA
used
to
do
an
annual
Superfund
report.
This
is
[
a]
probably
should
be
a
separate
recommendation.
I
think
151
there
are
some
specific
thing
we
could
recommend
that
161
would
increase
transparency
about
funding
and
progress.

171
Thcrc
s
another
report.
The
IlOD
annual
report
hasn
t
[
a]
been
out
since
94
or
something.
There
arc
a
bunch
of
[
g]
reports
that
used
to
come
out.
Some
of
them
stopped
(
101
under
the
Clinton
administration
I
will
say
that
don
t
[
ii]
exist
any
more.

[
i
21
I
think
it
s
hard
to
make
these
recommendations
[
13]
until
we
have
a
better
idea
of
what
is
and
isn
t
going
~
141
on.
So,
maybe
that
s
in
the
parking
lot.
But
I
actually
[
t5]
think
there
is
a
recommendation
that
we
could
make
that
[
is]
maybe
EPA
couldn
t
wiggle
out
of,
because
I
think
we
[
17]
might
al1
agree
about
it.
that
would
give
us
all
a
lot
of
[
ia]
infijrmation
that
I
think
every
sector
here
would
like
to
[
i9]
have.
So,
I
II
just
pass
that
on.

m
MR.
LOEHR:
Jane.

[
aI
MS.
GARDNER:
I
m
not
sure
what
comments
I
made
(
221
to
Vicky,
but
I
m
sure
they
were
excellent.
­­­­.__
111
initial
funding
distribution
or
triage
or
whatever
we
re
[
zl
calling
it,
should
really
be
based
on
what
we
think
the
131
immediate
needs
are,
and
what
the
most
urgent
needs
are
141
for
the
program.
And
then
look
at
the
long
terms
needs,

[
s]
and
then
look
at
the
hypothetical
needs.

PI
It
was
really
just
to
raise
the
issue
of
whether
~
71
we
want
to
spend
all
that
time,
because
you
could
have
a
~
[
al
big
site
that
you
have
S
people
in
the
Agency
working
on
[
q
and
companies
that
are
working
on
20
sites
or
more
[
IO]
focusing
on
this.
When
instead
in
reality
the
effort
1111
should
go
somewhere
else.
That
s
the,
I
think,
downside
~
121
of
waiting.
Although
obviously
the
good
side
of
waiting
I[
131
is
you
know
more
by
the
KOD
and
your
decision
is
more
1141
informed.
So,
I
just
put
out
that
kind
of
balancing
[
I
51
issues
to
deal
with.

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391
I'
1
MR.
LOEHR:
Or
got
in
here.

I21
MS.
GARDNER:
Yeah,
apparently.
I
don
t
have
an
~
33
answer
for
this
either.
I
m
not
sure
that
this
the
(
41
absolute
most
critical
question
for
LIS
to
deal
with.
But
[
s]
my
thinking
about
doing
it
earlier
rather
than
Iater
is
(
61
bccat~
sc
of
the
time
and
investment
that
goes
into
KA
at
[;
I
bcst.
And
I
was
just
quickly
looking
at
Kate
s
book,
and
[
q
it
looks
like
it
s
about
5
years
plus
an
extra
year
from
[
9]
the
l<
II;
S
to
l<
D.
And
so
you
re
talking
about
6
years
of
[
IO]
funding
a
site
that
if
you
wait
until
the
ROD
comes,

[
i
11
which
is
even
my
take
longer
time,
you
vc
invested
money
112:
and
time
for
6
or
7
years,
5
years
­

L'
31
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
It
s
to
the
signing
of
the
[
i4]
I<
OI>.

I151
MS.
GARDNER:
Is
5
years?
Whatever,
five,
four,

[
IS]
six,
whatcvcr.`
l`
hat
if
we
could
make
a
determination
~
ii)
bcforc
had.
the
efli,
rt,
the
money,
and
the
focus
that
[
in]
goes
on
and
could
go
toward
sites
that
appear
to
need
it
[
rs]
more
quickly.
My
view
is
it
has
to
be
an
iterate
[
20:
process.
YoiI
can
t
in
the
beginning
say,
this
is
all
pi]
this
site
is.
or
tllis
is
whl
this
site
does.
Yor~
have
[
zz]
lo
keep
looking
at
it
through
the
process.
But
an
­­­
lll­.­_
l
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392
(
161
MR.
LOEHR:
MikeTilchin.

(
171
MR.
TILCHIN:
I
have
a
comment
that
bridges
this
[
ial
section
and
the
program
efficiency
s
section
that
[
iq
Ibllows.
It
actually
touches
more
on
kind
of
technical
[
zo]
improvement,
a
science
and
engineering
improvement
in
the
[
ZII
program
that
maybe
to
tangential
for
our
group
to
touch
[
zz]
on.
Looking
at
the
bottom
of
page
32
in
that
frost
Page
393
111
objective.
which
relates
to,
you
know,
do
a
really
good
pl
job
in
the
MPIS
process
and
do
it
fast.

131
There
s
been
a
lot
of
development.
And
the
141
prime
mover
has
been
the
technology
innovation
office
[
s]
within
Superfund.
Putting
forth,
essentiaIly
a
new
~
61
approach
to
site
characterization
­
I
m
probably
going
~
71
to
blow
the
name,
so
please
help
him.
It
s
been
referred
[
8]
to
I
think
as
dynamic
site
characterization,
or
as
the
[
q
triad
approach.
My
personal
feeling
is
that
it
s
an
[
IO]
exceLlent
idea.
Really
it
is
intended
to
drive
the
[
III
process
to
doing
basically
realtime
site
1121
characterization.
Getting
data
in
the
field
and
making
[
IZ]
decisions
while
you
re
there.
I
think
that
s
somewhat
[
141
tangential
to
what
our
subcommittee
is
really
focused
on.

[
IS]
But
it
does
address
this
objective.
It
does
address
~
16~
program
improvements
and
to
the
extent
that
we
want
to
~
171
look
at
that,
and
I
know
we
d
have
to
do
it
briefly
and
[
ial
say
something
supportive
of
it
if
people
agree
that
it
s
[
ig]
a
good
idea.
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
thing
to
do.

WI
MR.
LOEHR:
Grant.

PI1
MR.
COPE:
I
actually
wanted
to
­
I
11
defer
to
[
22]
after
l:
d.

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f11
MR.
LOEHR:
Is
that
refer
to
defer
to
Ed?

121
MR.
COPE:
Defer.
Yeah,
this
is
a
huge
issue,

[
z]
because
a
huge
bit
of
work
­
because
it
is
looking
at
a
[
4]
pretty
difficult,
I
think
process­
wise,
a
very
difficult
[
5]
topicThe
two
things
that
I
ve
written
down
are
slow
[
s]
down
and
process.
It
seems
to
me
that
early
in
[
7]
Superfund
s
history,
a
lot
of
people
were
complaining
[
a]
that
there
was
too
studying,
too
much
talking,
and
not
[
q
enough
cleaning.
And
reforms
were
madeAnd
they
did
a
[
I
o]
tremendous
amount
of
work.
And
how
what
we
re
[
ii]
considering
doing
is
once
again
kind
of
front
loading
the
1121
processThat
concerns
me
for
a
number
of
different
[
i
31
reasons.

[
I41
One
of
which
is
Superfund
is
about
cleaning
up.

[
I
51
And
I
think
that
if
we
make
health­
protective
decisions
[
16]
in
the
beginning,
which
might
not
be
as
perfect
as
some
[
17]
would
Iike,
so
long
as
they
re
health­
protective,
and
so
[
la]
long
as
get
to
cleaning
up
a
site
which
has
already
been
[
iq
listed
on
the
NPL,
et
cetera,
that
s
a
good
thing.
Less
[
20]
money
going
to
doing
a
perfect
site
characterization
1
m
[
zl]
for,
so
long
as
it
means
the
site
gets
cleaned
up.
Or
a
[
zz]
variety
of
sites
get
cleaned
up.

Page
395
[
II
The
second
one
is
really
with
Vicky.
And
I
121
don
t
really
know
how
to
even
phrase
my
concern
other
[
q
than
it
seems
to
me
that
the
timing
right
now
is
pretty
­

[
4]
­
the
timing
between
doing
the
ROD,
doing
the
site
[
5]
characterization,
ail
of
that,
I
guess
I
don
t
feel
like
[
s]
1
know
it
weIl
even
in
order
to
say
that
what
you
ve
[
7]
written
while
it
seems
to
make
sense,
I
don
t
the
process
[
a]
to
really
pass
judgment
on
it.
So,
I
was
hoping
to
maybe
191
get
some
feedback.

,101
MR.
LOEHR:
WeIl,
Ed.

,111
MR.
PUTNAM:
I
m
sorry
I
came
in
late.
I
got
121
tied
up.
I
don
t
know
if
you
went
into
where
this
idea
131
came
from.
It
feel
out
of
the
idea
of
if
we
were
­

141
starts
with
the
premise
EPA
is
looking
to
not
list
sites
151
because
of
money.
In
the
decision
on
that
issue
it
was
161
well,
if
we
do
list
every
site,
there
s
going
to
be
more
171
KFSs
to
be
done,
where
are
we
doing
to
get
the
money
to
181
do
that.
And
the
quick
suggestion
was,
we11
if
you
move
191
the
current
prioritization
from
the
RA
back
to
the
ROD,

zo]
you
11
save
design
money
and
that
will
help
pay
f'or
the
211
additional
KFSs.
So,
that
s
to
some
extent
the
history
221
ol'
where
this
came
from.
And
I
think
it
s
kind
of
Page
396
[
I]
evolved
into
simply
an
alternative
prioritization
to
the
[
z]
current
laws
memo.
By
the
way,
the
EPA
has
decided
not
[
3]
to
fund
an
ongoing
project,
which
is
contrary
to
the
laws
[
4]
memo,
but
that
s
another
issue
aside
here.

K­
1
I
would
just
tend
to
look
at
this
­
you
have
to
[
6]
look
at
it
in
conjunction
with
are
we
going
to
list
[;
7
sites.
And
this
is
a
way
of
getting
some
money
to
help
[
a]
pay
for
that.
If
you
are
going
to
put
more
sites
on
the
[
q
list.
That
s
what
it
was
really
intended.
It
s
kind
of
to]
fallen
out
to
just
a
general
should
we
move
where
WC
do
I
I]
priority
if
you
have
to.
Again,
the
preferred
method
is
121
not
to
have
to
prioritize
at
all.
Thc
reality
is
131
somewhere
along
the
line
if
EPA
doesn
t
have
enough
money
141
to
do
everything,
they
have
to
do
this.
So,
1
would
15)
review
it
in
the
context
of
is
it
better
to
be
done
at
161
the
ROD
stage,
or
at
the
big
money
RA
stage,
which
is
171
where
they
currently
do
it.

181
MR.
LOEHR:
Mel.

191
MR.
SKAGGS:
1
guess
thcrc
s
times
when
you
!
o]
expect
your
audience
isn
1
going
to
like
what
you
have
to
`
11
say.
And
1
don
t
think
my
audience
isn
t
going
to
like
!
z]
what
I
have
to
say
this
time.
Superfund
is
exactly
about
­.

Page
397
[
I]
what
you
said,
Grant.
It
s
about
getting
sites
cleaned
[
z]
up
and
cleaned
up
weIl.
And
when
we
look
up
and
a
tiny
[
3]
fraction
of
the
budget
s
actually
being
spent
on
cleaning
[
4]
up
sites
and
we
re
sitting
here
talking
about
well
let
s
[
q
divert
some
of
that
budget
to
do
some
more
sludies.
1
[
q
think
we
vc
drunk
from
the
wrong
waler
trough.

[
71
I
think
the
Agency
ought
to
look
in
the
mirror
[
a]
and
they
ought
to
say
if
you
want
money
and
you
rc
not
[
q
selling
a
remedial
design
or
a
remedial
action,
then
you
[
io]
get
prioritized
behind
those
who
do.
The
Agency
needs,

~
[
I
11
in
my
unfettered
opinion,
is
to
figure
out
how
10
push
~
~
121
more
money
into
cleaning
up
sites.
And
that
tangentially
[
13]
applies
to
this,
because
this
suggests
a
rc­

~
141
prioritization
of
part
of
the
funds
that
do
go
to
RD
and
[
is]
RA,
which
are
the
things
that
get
sites
cleaned
up
[
161
To
that
extent
I
guess
1
register
my
general
1171
dismay
that
we
re
thinking
up
ways
to
rob
remedial
action
[
ia]
to
pay
for
more
studies
and
that
comes
in
diffcrcnl
[
19]
flavors
throughout
this
document.
And
1
think
that
if'

[
20]
the
administrator
adopted
all
of
our
recommend;
llions
of
[
21]
that
nature
hcrc,
WC
wouldn
t
clean
any
sites
up
al
~
111
1221
anymore.
We
d
just
cover
them
with
paper.
1
m
done.

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398
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400
[
iI
MR.
LOEHR:
Grant
to
respond,
comment.
111
that
you
don
t
have
a
remedial
design
and
then
it
just
PI
MR.
COPE:
Yeah,
building
on
that,
and
maybe
I
m
121
sits
there
for
years
waiting
for
the
new
pot
of
money
(
31
simplifying
things
way
too
much.
But
if
you
re
talking
:
[
3]
under
remedial
action
to
pay
them
to
start
construction.

~
41
about
prioritizing
and
moving
back
the
point
at
which
[
41
hd
that
is
a
problem
for
us,
because
your
design
can
be
[
s]
you
vc
got
information
to
actually
make
that
priority,
[
5J
out
of
date
if
you
re
sitting
around.
It
s
better
to
~
61
are
you
essential
what
you
re
saying
you
conceive
of
this
[
sl
make
the
prioritization,
I
think,
at
the
ROD
stage.
Then
[
71
as
being
a
feasibility
study
to
move
back,
because
you
ve
[
7]
the
public
knows
that
you
ve
got
a
remedy.
The
PRPs
can
~
81
got
of
all
the
information
you
need
in
order
to
make
la]
co­
allis
around
that,
but
you
haven
t
spent
money
for
a
is]
those
determinations?
And
then
you
actually
can
say
[
gl
design
that
s
going
to
sit
there
for
years
and
years.
I~
OJ
listen
RPRs.
this
is
a
settlement,
this
is
what
we
re
'
[
iol
It
s
three
enlirely
separate
pots
of
money.
[
I
I]
going
to
do.
Okay,
now
lcl
s
move
­

[
121
MR.
SKAGGS:
ris
we
started
talking
about
the
[,
31
idea,
so
other
issues
came
up
that
rather
than
having
EPA
~
141
try
to
prioritize
­
ever
part
of
this
cost­
based
[
ISI
prioritization
at
the
listing
stage
when
you
don
t
[~
GJ
necessarily
know
everything
you
need
to
know
about
the
~
171
sitc.`
l`
hat
completing
the
study
would
give
them
a
much
[
ia]
bcttcr
knowledge
based
to
make
that
prioritization
(
191
decision.
So
it
would
give
them
the
information
and
the
(
201
sites
would
be
able
to
compete
more
equally.

P'l
Additionally,
there
was
a
side
issue
of
some
(
221
multiparty
111'
cases.`
l'he
RI's
don
t
come
unless
the
ROD
Page
399
[
I]
is
signed
and
they
know
what
the
action
isThere
was
~
21
some
other
nice
reasons
for
getting
the
site
on
the
NPL,

;
31
getting
the
study
done
before
you
starting
make
cost­

[
4]
Ix~
sed
prioritization
decisions.

ISI
MC
McMANUS:
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
little
[
6j
clarilication
about
how
our
budget
goes,
because
of
your
[
7]
comments,
Mel.
What
we
do
is.
we
take
our
money
and
put
[
a]
It
into
three
advice
of
allowances.
The
first
one
is
for
191
removals,
or
these
time
critical
actions.
And
that
has
a
(
101
big
impact
on
our
budget
now,
because
of
homeland
[
t
11
security
concerns
and
everything
else.
So,
it
s
[
iz]
prcventivc
measures
as
well
as
emergency
cleanup.

1131
WC
have
3
second
category
that
s
called
[
14]
pipcline.
AntJ
that
s
the
tnoney
that
Ed
s
talking
about
[
ISI
in
this
option.`
I'hat
IS
the
category
that
does
the
[
IS]
RJJ?+
s,
~
hc
RODS,
the
designs.
It
s
not
until
you
re
!
i
7.
ready
to
start
construction
that
you
get
to
the
third
[
ia]
advice
of
a~
iowdncc.
which
is
a
remedial
action
of
money.

[
19]
So,
wc
re
not
talking
in
this
option
about
taking
money
[
201
out
of
the
remedial
action
pot
and
moving
it
over
into
1211
the
s(
11dy
pot.
What
Ild
s
talking
about
with
this
one
is
[
3%
1
moving
money
at
the
carlicr
stage
of
the
pipeline
part
so
1111
MR.
LOEHR:
Bill,
you
have
a
direct
comment
to
[
12]
that?

['
31
MR.
ADAMS:
Yeah,
Betsy,
just
a
follow­
up.

[
141
Could
you
give
us
a
relative
breakdown.
Maybe
just
rough
[
ISI
percentages
as
to
how
much
money
is
in
which
point?

I161
MS.
McMANUS:
Yeah.
Oh,
boy.
I
think
it
s
like
[
171
­
right
now
we
re
re­
looking
at
the
money
for
the
[
re]
removals.
But
it
s
usually
around
$
120
miUion.
And
[
19]
right
now
we
re
asking
the
regions
if
they
want
to
move
[
zol
money
from
pipeline
to
removal
because
of
the
homeland
(
211
security
issues.
But
it
s
right
around
the
$
120
million.

~
221
Then
for
pipeline,
excuse
me,
for
remedial
actions,
we
re
Page
401
[
II
right
around
$
220
million,
and
the
remainder
is
in
~
21
pipelinc.
And
of
course,
we
want
the
ability
to
move
~
31
back
and
forth
from
pipeline
to
removal
as
is
necessary,

[
4]
because
that
s
the
contingency.
That
s
the
contingency
151
1.
und.
And
we
also
supplement
remedial
action
money
with
[
s]
DEOBs.
So
that
all
our
DEOB
money
is
going
to
new
starts
[
7]
and
for
making
sure
our
remedial
action
goes
on.
And
we
[
sl
usually
run
around
$
50
milIion
a
year
on
a
good
year
of
'
p]
DEOBs.

1101
MR.
ADAMS:
Sorry,
good
follow
up.
Could
you
[
I
I]
put
a
number
on
what
s
in
the
pipeline?

,113
MS.
McMANJJS:
Yeah,
I
m
trying
to
do
that
~
131
calculation
now.
It
s
right
around
$
200
million.
Steve
'
1141
­
is
anybody
out
there
who
would
current
03
number?
I
1151
haven
t
got
anybody.
All
my
backup
left.
It
s
right
(
161
around
200
­
it
s
in
the
$
200
million
range.

iI71
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
I
think
what
Mel
s
point
[
ia]
wits
is
that
­
I
counted
up
these
numbers.
This
is
like
[
I91
$
600
million
out
of
$
J
.3,
so
there
s
the
question
of
not
[
zo]
robbing
Peter
to
pay
Paul
within
what
we
all
consider
the
[
zj]
cleanup
program
But
whether
there
are
other
places,

1221
cvcn
within
the
Superfund
budget,
if
we
need
to
do
this.

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VI
MS.
McMANUS:
Yeah.
You
can
look
at
those
[
zl
numbers.
It
goes
to
the
Inspector
General.
It
goes
to
[
a]
the
office
of
research
and
development.
It
goes
to
a
[
4]
whole
lot
of
different
categories.
Approximately
for
151
overhead­
type
functions,
guidance­
type
functions.
But
~
61
for
the
pipeline
activities,
the
remove
and
remedial
171
activities,
you
re
right
around
$
600
and
some
million.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Say
that
again.

[
91
MS.
McMANUS:
Pipeline
s
around
$
200
million.

[
lo]
Remedial
action
around
$
220,
supplemented
with
DEOBs
and
[
ii1
then
removal
action
is
right
around
$
150.
And
you
always
[
izl
are
switching
back
and
forth
between
removal
and
[
IS]
pipeline,
as
you
have
fewer
emergencies,
which
praise
God
~
141
we
never
have
to
worry
about
a
lot
of
emergencies,
then
~
151
you
could
more
into
your
pipeline.

[
I61
MR.
LOEHR:
Glen.

1171
MR.
HAMMER:
I
d
just
like
to
ask
a
follow
up
[
rel
question.
Are
you
saying
you
can
transfer
funds
between
[
w]
those
three?
Or
you
cannot?

w
MS.
McMANUS:
You
can.

1211
MR.
HAMMER:
You
can.

WI
MS.
McMANUS:
You
can.
But
we
always
try
to
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404
[
i]
go
into
states.

[
21
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
I
guess
my
conlusion
and
[
3]
concern
is
that
the
cost
for
the
pipeline
is
so
close
lo
[
4]
the
remedial
action.
And
remedial
action
is
where
the
[
5]
action
is.

[
sl
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
And
its
more
expensive.

[
71
MS.
McMANUS:
Yeah,
it
s
just
that
you
can
t
get
[
sl
to
remedial
action
until
you
ve
got
a
remedial
design.

[
g]
And
you
can
t
get
to
remedial
design
until
you
have
I[
IO]
sufficient
site
characterization.
As
Ed
was
just
talking
I
I]
about,
the
listing
is
done
on
pretty
preliminary
121
information.
And
that
s
the
big
concern
that
once
you
131
list
to
the
site
and
you
get
in
there,
it
can
be
much
141
larger
extent,
much
more
severe
contamination
than
what
51
you
thought
when
you
listed
it.
And
so
that
s
a
really
4
important
part
to
get
right.

71
MR.
LOEHR:
Any
more
general
questions
on
that?

81
I
see
a
number
of
other
commentary.
Mel,
you
have
:
I
91
further
comment
and
then
we
ll
get
over
to
Ed
and
then
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I]
keep
the
biggest
pot
in
remedial
action.
In
starting
and
[
2]
completing
construction.
So
the
other
two
pots
for
[
3]
pipeline
and
removal
are
smaller.

[
41
MR.
HAMMER:
Okay,
now
that
is
intended
for
[
5]
orphan
shares
or
orphan
sites?

[
61
MS.
McMANUS:
Right.
This
is
all
fund
lead
~
71
money.
This
is
not
looking
at
the
70
percent
of
our
(
81
sites,
which
are
paid
for
by
PRPs.
This
is
the
30
[
gl
percent
that
we
pay
for.

IlO1
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
I
just
want
to
ask
a
[
I
11
question
of
clarity.
On
the
pipeline,
what
did
you
~
121
include
on
the
pipeline?

[
I31
MS.
McMANUS:
It
s
all
the
studies
after
you
get
1141
a
listing.
So
it
would
be
­
we
take
money
out
of
there
[
15]
to
give
to
the
states
in
most
cases
for
site
assessments.

~
161
All
your
RIFS
work
and
site
assessments
leading
up
to
~
171
RIFS
for
your
ROD,
and
f&
y
your
remedial
design.
So
[
20]
Jim
and
then
Gary.

VI
MR.
PUTNAM:
According
to
the
inlbrmation
you
[
22]
all
gave
us
in
January,
in
fiscal
02
$
186
million
of
Page
405
[
I]
that
year
s
appropriations
went
to
remedial
action.
You
[
z]
had
some
money
you
de­
obligated
from
prior
years
[
3]
appropriations.
You
had
money
you
collected
from
states
[
4]
and
PRPs
that
you
spent.
But
only
186
out
of`
the
$
1.3
(
51
million
went
to
remediationhnd
in
a
world
were
we
re
[
6]
wishing
we
could
get
more
sites
cleaned
up,
1
was
wishing
[
7]
that
number
was
bigger.

~
?
Jl
MS.
McMANUS:
I
know
for
03
we
were
looking
at
[
q
220
with
DEOBs
putting
in
another
$
50
million,
so
WC
rc
[
lo]
at
270
for
O%
Again,
it
depends
on
how
your
other
[
11]
accounts
are
doing.
If
there
s
a
lot
of
homeland
1121
security
activities,
if
there
s
a
lot
of
pipeline
[
13]
studies,
the
sites
are
continuously
moving
through
the
[
14]
processAnd
I
can
only
say
that
lhc
first
priorily
is
[
15]
always
going
to
be
for
emergency,
for
the
removal
and
Lbr
[
16]
the
homeland
security.
And
everything
else
will
fall
0111
(
171
of
that.

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MR.
LOEHR:
Clarification,
comments.

[`
91
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Just
anoher
question
I
[
20]
had
looking
at
this.
I
understood
that
Brownfields
w­
as
[
ZI]
funded,
I
guess
in
03,
from
an
account
other
Supcrfund
[
z]
And
this
report
says
something
about
NIIiIIS
being
movccl
­~
[
ia]
the
whole
study
phase
is
what
we
call
pipeline.

(
191
MR.
LOEHR:
Are
there
any
other
state
questions
1201
on
that
point.
Ed,
do
you
have
a
follow
up?

VI
Ml?.
PUTNAM:
No.
In
the
pipeline
there
s
core
1221
grants.
Management
assistanl
grants
and
things
like
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111
out
;
IS
well.
And
I
wondered
if
1
understood
this
I
111
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
So,
that
if
they
described
121
correctly
in
where
that
money
went.
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zl
that
for
the
next
year,
your
appropriations
if
you
were
PI
MS.
McMANUS:
There
s
three
accounts
that
go
[
q
at
steady
state,
would
be
1
billion
or
1.1
billion?
It
~
41
directly.
ATSDR
gets
their
money
directly.
That
s
[
4]
wouldn
t
be
1.3
billion,
because
­

151
generally
around
$
86
million,
I
lhink.
And
again
I
m
[
51
MS.
McMANUS:
If
they
broke
out
EPA
[
q
sorry.
I
don
I
have
staff
year,
because
I
ve
only
worked
[
61
appropriation
Superfund
separately,
but
they
won
t.
They
[
71
for
the
program
about
nine
months
and
I
can
t
retain
all
~
[
r]
will
show
a
Superfund
appropriation,
which
wiIl
be
the
!
81
these
numbers.
But
it
s
about
in
the
84
million
for
[
a]
combined
total
of
what
EPA
gets,
what
ATSDR
gets,
and
(
91
ATSDR
goes
directly
to
them.
NIEHS
gets
their
money
[
q
what
NIEIHS
get.
So,
it
s
going
to
look
­
the
total
[
lo]
directly.
It
s
about
$
90
million
for
research.
And
then
[
IO]
always
looks
constant
when
you
look
over
the
years,
but
[
I
11
the
money
for
Brownfields
now
does
not
have
to
be
taken
[
I
II
it
s
switched
now
that
they
don
t
any
longer
­
before
it
[~
ZI
out
of
the
Superfund
amount.
That
amount
is
around
$
200
[
IZ]
would
just
come
to
us
and
we
d
pass
it
directly
to
them
[
iq
million,
I
think
is
what
they
gdVC
them.
And
then
every
~
31
anyway.
We
couldn
t
tap
that
money.

1141
year
from
here
on
out,
from
03
on,
they
ll
have
their
[
I41
MR.
EHRMANN:
The
Hill
s
stiIl
lumping
it
(
151
own
separate
appropriation.
1151
together
as
Superfund
even
though
the
transfer
is
taking
[
I61
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Do
I
understand
that
in
[
IS]
place
in
a
different
way.
So
there
s
no
net
gain.

~
171
fact
it
Could
have
increased
the
remedial
construction
)[
i71
MS.
McMANUS:
Just
so
you
know,
we
didn
t
have
~
381
portion
of
the
l~
udgcl
by,
what
is
it,
almost
$
400
[
181
any
discretion
on
what
we
gave
them.
The
fact
that
it
[
I91
million?
[
IQ]
was
coming
to
us
and
then
we
gave
to
them,
we
were
told
PO1
MS.
McMANUS:
No.
Whal
s
happened
is
it
s
still
pi]
a
zero
sum
gain.
You
11
see
the
same
amounl
going
to
(
201
by
Con+
ss
specifically
the
amount
that
we
gave
to
NIEHS
[
zi]
andATSi>
R.
It
wasn
t
our
discretion
to
say
­

(~
21
Superfund.
Superfund
still
has
the
same
account.
The
~~
PI
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
I
really
misread
what
in
~~.
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Page
407
/

Page
409
~
1,
same
appropriation.
It
s
a
mix
of
trust
fund.
Whal
s
121
Icfi
in
the
trust
fund
and
appropriations.
They
didn
t
~
31
give
us
a
larger
totaLThey
just
split
those
amounts
[
4]
off
directly
to
NIEHS
and
ATSDR,
and
had
less
of
burden
151
on
us
fix
the
Brownlields
work.
So
the
pot
didn
t
get
[
I]
happen.
So,
thank
you.
That
helps.

ys]
any
bigger.

[
71
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
I
m
confused.
Did
they
­

[
s]
if
you
always
hdd
1
.3,
but
then
in
a
year
they
say
but
191
you
don
t
have
to
pay
for
Brownfields
or
NIEIIS.
Does
~
101
that
mean
that
you
still
have
1.3,
but
you
didn
t
have
[
I<]
~
hosc
$
300
million
in
obligations?
Or
did
they
say,
well
,121
WC
say
I
.
J,
hut
it
5
a
show
game.
in
f:
lct
wc
re
going
to
113;
do
it
directly,
lnr~
WC
rc
ping
to
reduce
~
OLI
to
$
1
ji4]
billion
per
year?

I'
51
hds.
f$
kMANus:
k~~
h.
what
WC
aCtU:
Iily
gOl
WdS
[
jq
about
the
samc.
Thc
only
one
that
was
a
separate
,171
appropriation
was
Brownfields.
So
the
ATSDR
and
the
[
ia!
NIEI
1S
numbrrs
were
always
included
in
our
total
before,

(
191
so
WC
didn
t
get
that
money
back.
That
just
because
they
[
zol
swiichcd
it
going
directly
to
thosr
agencies,
we
didn
t
pi]
gc't
compensa~
cd
for
that.`
I`
hat
was
taken
OLII
ol'the
p2j
total
that
was
then
­
wc
were
given
the
remainder
PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Well,
now
I
m
just
confused
as
the
[
3]
Chair.
Not
to
that
particular
point.
But
you
made
the
141
point
­
you
said
remedial
actions
got
220.
And
then
in
1
[
5]
a
separate
commentary
you
said
Brownfields
has
200.
In
[
q
the
sense
of
what
we
re
talking
about,
it
sounded
as
if
[
7]
we
could
use
Brownfields
money
for
some
of
the
Superfund
[
al
sites
maybe.
Maybe
not.
So,
that
sounds
like
there
s
[
q
now
about
400
that
could
go
to
remedial
action.

IlO1
MS.
McMANUS:
No,
no.

11
11
MR.
LOEHR:
What
am
I
misreading?

;
I121
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Can
you
explain
that.

I131
MS.
McMANUS:
Part
ofit
is
that
­
if
I
got
~
1141
this
right,
the
Brownfields
money
is
also
Lo
cover
the
(
151
Brownfields
program.
It
s
not
all
extra
mural
dollars
~
161
going
out.
So
you
would
compare
their
200
million
to
the
1
[
I71
1.3
that
SUperfUnd
hdS
at
some
level.
1
mean
the
[
tq
programs.
So,
only
some
of
that
money
is
for
the
[
tg]
showcase
communities
or
whatever
the
programs.

/
WI
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
The
grants.

)
[
2i]
MS.
McMANUS:
And
then
their
issues
to
what
YOLI
[
zz]
can
do
with
it,
but
it
s
not
the
same
kind
of
pot.
It
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not
an
18
year
pot
to
go
out
at
the
Agency.

121
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Right.

131
MR.
LOEHR:
Right.
So,
in
terms
of
remedial
[
4]
action,
we
re
still
back
to
what
you
told
us
a
bit
ago,

(
51
which
is
still
about
the
220?

El
MS.
McMANUS:
Right.
In
03
it
s
220
million.

m
And
right
now
we
re
hoping
for
at
least
50
million
in
[
a]
DEOBs.
And
the
combined
total
hopefully
for
03
wiIl
be
[
g]
around
270.

IlO1
MR.
EHRMANN:
Let
me
suggest
for
the
folks
who
[
it]
stilI
have
their
cards
up
that
any
comments
we
take
in
[
IZ]
this
next
couple
minutes
be
focused
on
this
idea
about
1131
changing
the
timing
of
the
listing
in
the
early
RIFS.

1141
We
re
going
to
talk
about
funding
next.
And
what
we
just
[
js]
learned,
obviously,
is
very
relevant
to
that
overall
[
is]
discussion.
So,
if
you
have
a
direct
comment
about
~
171
funding
in
a
larger
sense,
hold
it
please
for
a
few
[
is]
minutes.
If
your
comment
s
about
these
options
and
your
[
is]
reaction
to
switching
the
timing
around
as
the
Workgroup
[
zo]
has
suggested,
let
s
take
a
couple
of
those
comments
1211
before
we
move
on.
[
I]
can
be
no,
but
that
s
kind
of
puts
into
context
what
Ed
s
[
2]
proposal
dealt
with.

(
31
MR.
EHRMANN:
That
s
very
helpful.

[
41
MR.
LOEHR:
Gary.

[
51
MR.
KING:
I
support
option
1.1
think
that
to
[
6]
me
makes
since
to
get
RODS
done
on
every
site.
1
think
[
7]
it
has
the
advantage
­
and
again,
we
talk
about
clean
up
[
s]
of
sites,
but
the
real
issue
is
protection
of
human
[
g]
health
and
the
environment.
Most
RODS
that
1
m
familiar
lo]
with
are
now
broken
out
into
operable
unitsAnd
certain
I
11
operable
units
offer
more
in
the
way
of
protection
of
IZ]
human
health
and
the
environment
than
other
operable
131
units.
And
those
operable
units
that
have
greater
141
protection
of
human
health
and
the
environment,
we
need
151
to
get
those
done
so
those
can
go
forward
more
quickly.

161
MR.
LOEHR:
Vicky.

171
MS.
PETERS:
Well,
Jim
had
such
a
lovely
scguc
181
to
me
that
it
really
is
a
shame
that
Gary
had
to
get
in
191
the
way.
1
was
the
party
poopcr
­
1
started
out
as
the
!
o]
party
pooper
on
Ed
s
issues,
but
they
are
­
Gary
and
Ed
!
I]
make
excellent
points.
And
the
way
I
was
thinking
about
I[.

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PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Are
you
going
to
hold
for
a
minute?
[
22]
it
was
that
1
don
t
think
we
want
to
lose
that
good
~­­...­­­­.­~.

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411
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413
VI
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
Yeah,
I
lI
hold.

[
21
MR.
LOEHR:
Jim.

131
MR.
DEROUIN:
Let
me
buttress
a
little
bit
what
[
4]
Ed
said,
because
it
puts
it
into
context.
In
the
section
[
5]
we
re
going
lo
come
to
soon
on
page
46,
Wilma,
Mike
and
1
[
6]
made
a
proposal
with
respect
to
the
prioritization
[
7]
decisions
and
what
Betsy
has
described
as
pot
three.
One
[
a]
of
the
questions
that
we
asked
was
without
providing
any
Is]
opinion,
and
on
which
I
think
were
essentially
neutral,

[
lo]
should
a
health­
based
prioritization
system
be
applied
to
[
ii]
pot
two,
which
is
what
Ed
s
proposal
has
to
do
with?
Or
[
iz]
in
addition,
should
it
be
applied
pre­
listing?
The
~
13)
heading
on
page
46
is
really
misleading,
because
it
[
14]
really
deals
with
post­
ROD
remedial
action
decisions
[
IF,]
rather
than
what
happens
to
sites
once
they
go
on
the
[
16]
NPL.
Because
some
are
in
the
pipeline
and
then
when
they
~
171
exit
the
pipeline
it
s
an
RA
decision.

[
181
So,
that
s
how
Ed
got
his
assignment.
Part
of
[
t9]
it
was
if
you
alist
more
sites,
it
s
a
false
expectation
[
m]
issue
from
the
bottom.
And
from
the
top
the
question
is
1211
should
you
apply
some
kid
of
prioritization
to
pot
two
[
22]
as
well
as
to
pot
three?
And
the
answer
can
be
yes.
It
[
I]
thinking.
What
I
was
thinking
is
perhaps
the
more
[
z]
appropriate
way
of
dealing
with
this
is
to
take
Jim
and
[
3]
his
group
up
on
this
idea.
That
maybe
their
charge
needs
[
4]
to
be
broadened.

151
I
think
we
do
need
to
look
at
the
whole
[
s]
pipeline.
Like
I
said
before,
the
idea
of
moving
design
[
7]
money
that
­
we
have
the
information
that
Ed
and
Gary
[
a]
are
talking
about,
about
the
relative
priority
of
mile
[
g]
side.
To
do
a
design
there
if
WC
know
that
it
s
not
[
IO]
going
to
cut
it
for
the
budget,
that
s
silly.
That
money
[
I
I]
should
defmitely
go
to
RIFS.
And
maybe
a
focus
group
1..
1121
mcludmg
Gary
and
Ed,
Mike.
and
some
of
Lhe
other
folks
[
13]
could
figure
out,
again,
on
an
annual
basis.
And
WC
~
[
14]
don
t
want
to
micro
manage
this
either,
because
WC
don
I
[
i5]
want
to
put
all
the
resources
into
prioritization
instead
[
16]
of
doing
the
work.
But
1
think
that
that
s
going
to
bc
a
[
17]
really
difficult
thing,
but
something
that
would
be
very
[
IS]
useful
for
the
Agency
if
wc
could
give
them
guidance.

[
ig]
And
something
that
I
think
they
rc
going
to
bc
ending
~
111
[
20]
doing
in
some
form
anyway.
So,
that
would
be
my
[
ZI]
recommendation.

WI
MR.
EHRMANN:
My
sense
on
this,
a
couple
things.

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416
[,
I
One
is
that
these
last
couple
comments
have
been
very
[
iI
you
don
t
choose
the
cheaper
remedy
even
though
it
s
not
[
z]
helpful
in
terms
of
thinking
about
how
to
pull
these
[
zl
as
protected,
that
s
all
you
re
going
to
get
because
~
31
parts
of
the
report,
but
more
importantly
the
kind
of
131
there
s
not
any
money
in
the
fund.

~
41
thought,
logic
here
about
priorilization
together.
And
I
[
41
So,
the
issue
is
from
the
community
and
the
~
51
think
thinking
about
it
terms
of
the
kinds
of
pots
of
[
CT]
business
perspective,
and
the
economic
development
(
61
money
that
Betsy
outlined
might
be
a
useful
way
to
do
IS]
perspective,
it
s
real
important
to
know
at
the
proposed
[
7l
that,
and
I
think
is
consistent
with
ideas
folks
had
171
plan
if
your
site
even
has
a
chance
in
hell
of
getting
181
txli)
re
about
folding
this
piece
into
that
larger
PI
anything
done,
or
are
you
just
going
through
the
proposed
IS]
prioritization
discussion.
[
g]
plan
process
and
it
s
going
to
sit
there.
So,
I
see
some
[`
Ol
Second,
I
think
as
it
relates
to
these
specific
[
IO]
real
advantages.
[
I
11
options.
I
think
Jane
had
reasons
in
terms
of
moving
the
\
(
111
And
when
we
talk
about
the
characterization,
,121
decisions
even
earlier
for
option
two.
I
haven
t
heard
a
[
12]
that
also
enters
in
as
wiU
this
site
really
move
up,
1131
lot
of
folks
supporting
that
particular
options,
but
a
(
131
because
it
meets
the
characterization
characteristics
[
141
number
of
pcoplc
who
wouldn
t
seem
comfortable
with
[
14]
that
need
to
be
more
up.
Or
are
we
just
playing
the
~
151
option
one
and
others
who
aren
t
ready
to
make
that
1151
game.
Go
after
the
proposed
plan
and
it
s
going
to
sit
[
tsI
decision
yet,
because
they
want
to
see
how
this
aII
kind
1161
there
forever
because
there
s
not
enough
money
to
do
[
q
71
of
places
out
as
we
tic
it
all
together.
So,
I
would
ask
1171
anything.
[
l~
l
you
I
guess
in
your
written
comments,
those
who
haven
t
1161
MR.
LOEHR:
Mel.
[
jq
submitlcd
yet,
ii
you
have
Ihoughts
about
these
1191
MR.
SKAGGS:
I
m
not
sure
we
ought
to
be
~
201
particular
two
options,
that
would
be
helpful
so
we
could
[
201
rccommcnding
constrainment
prioritization
at
all
to
the
(
211
make
a
decision
about
how
many
alternatives
to
keep
on
PII
Agency.
I
think
the
Agency
should
be
prioritizing
at
[
z)
the
table
herc.
And
we
also
look
to,
and
we
I1
know
more
____­_
..~~
[
ZZ]
both
steps
actuaIly.
And
it
ought
to
be
prioritizing
in
.­~­
­
.­..
_
Page
415
Page
417
~
11
about
this
after
we
get
the
decision
on
page
46
and
on,

121
think
about
how
to
get
a
small
group
to
look
at
the
[
3I
interplay
between
these
kind
of
complimentary
[
4I
prmritization
ideas,
because
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
[
sj
those
on
kind
of
coherent
fashion.
And
right
now
this
[
61
ones
coming
early
in
the
order.
There
might
be
a
better
(
71
way
to
present
this,
so
then
you
can
decide
how
you
want
~
81
to
make
your
decisions
about
what
the
support
and
the
~
91
context
of
these
options.
It
looks
like
Mel
and
Wilma.

IjO1
MR.
LOEHR:
Let
s
go
over
to
this
side
and
we
11
[
I
11
pick
up
Doris.
Wilmx
II?
MS.
SUBRA:
0nc
of
the
sites
I
m
working
on
~
131
docsn
t
have
a
proposed
plan.
We
vc
had
some
proposed
~
141
plans
that
sort
of
fled
in
and
out.
And
looking
at
[
i5]
optton
I
and
2,
at
normal
sites
that
s
not
much
of
(
361
differcncc
if
you
look
at
it
at
the
proposed
plan
site,

[
II]
and
if
the
proposed
plan
goes
to
the
ROD
with
little
or
[
ia]
no
changes.

[
1Sl
At
the
site
I
m
working
on,
you
know.
they
fled
[
zol
out
a
proposc'd
plan,
a
proposed
proposed
plan,
and
then
~`
1
pull
II
back
and
say
there
s
no
~`
ay
in
hell
thcrc
will
[
z]
cvc'r
lx
money
to
do
this.`
I'hc
threat
is
always
like
11
[
II
favor
of
squeezing
money
to
the
remediation
program.

El
MR.
LOEHR:
Doris.

[
31
MS.
CELLARIUS:
Mine
is
a
question.
And
that
141
is,
if
the
decision
is
made
later
after
the
ROD,
will
[
sl
that
information
that
went
into
the
assessments,
wiIl
[
6]
that
be
available
for
some
other
source
of
funding?

(
71
Would
it
beneficial
to
the
community
and
to
people
who
181
want
something
to
happen
at
the
site?
Would
it
still
to
[
gl
have
be
in
the
pipeline
a
little
longer
than
not
as
long?

,[
fOl
MR.
SKAGGS:
Going
back
to
where
this
idea
came
(
1
I]
from.
It
was
born
out
of
the
idea
of
not
letting
EPA
do
[
IZ]
any
fund­
based
prioritization
to
get
sites
on
the
list.

1131
So,
everything
being
presented
to
them
gets
on.
And
then
~
141
they
make
any
funding­
based
prioritization.

[
I51
So,
from
the
public
perspective,
it
gets
you
a
1161
tag.
Because
you
re
on,
you
can
get
the
tag.
And
it
~
117)
gets
yoU
at
kdst
to
the
RIFS
stage.
Whether
that
s
[
1eI
better
or
worse
than
getting
on
and
getting
through
the
(
IQ]
study
and
design,
and
then
funding
out
you
re
not
going
(
20)
any
further.
I
don
t
know,
it
s
just
­
but
getting
it
[
PI]
on
would
at
least
get
you
participation
in
the
study.

WI
MR.
LOEHR:
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comments
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[
I]
particular
issue?
Can
we
get
to
the
funding
issue?

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah,
funding
is
next.
The
[
3]
section
overall
start
on
page
34.
There
s
some
findings
[
41
up
front
that
I
think
you
might
want
to
take
a
look
at
(
51
starting
on
page
38,
key
fmdings.
And
then
there
s
some
[
s]
detail
about
the
specific
Federal
programs
which
we
don
t
T/]
need
to
go
into,
but
the
findings
part
of
that
is
[
a]
important.
And
then
there
are
a
set
of
recommendations
[
g]
starting
on
page
44,45.
So,
there
s
some
kind
of
[
ia]
insights
about
funding
in
the
findings
section,
and
then
[
ill
there
are
those
specific
recommendations
at
the
end
of
[
12]
the
section.

[
f31
I
would
also
remind
you
of
the
suggestion
that
[
14]
Mike
TiIchin
made
yesterday,
and
others
have
referred
to
[
IS]
in
different
ways,
about
funding
overall.
Does
the
[
16]
subcommittee
want
to
contemplate
a
recommendation
about
(
171
the
overall
funding
of
the
program?
Several
people
have
[
is]
suggested
that
as
something
you
want
to
think
about.
And
[
ig]
there
was,
you
know,
back
in
those
overview
fmdings,
a
[
zo]
statement
about
funding
which
people
made
some
good
[
zl]
comments
about
yesterday
in
terms
of
it
not
probably
(
221
being
worded
in
a
way
that
folks
are
comfortable
with.

Page
419
[
ii
But
I
would
flag
that
kind
of
macro
issue
as
well
as
the
~
21
parts
of
the
chapter
that
I
just
referenced.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Well,
Ed,
you
headed
up
or
are
you
~
41
with
down
waiting?
Let
s
let
you
lead
off.

El
MR.
PUTNAM:
Yeah.
I
think
Mike
even
said
this
[
s]
a
while
ago
in
the
last
discussion
that
he
had
a
comment
(
71
that
sort
of
crossed
the
Iine.
And
that
s
the
way
mine
[
a]
did,
so
I
thought
it
was
appropriate
to
do
it
here.

PI
I
guess
yesterday
when
WC
were
on
the
bus,
we
[
lo]
had
a
conversation
in
my
area
of
the
bus
or
maybe
it
was
[
I
1)
with
Adam
when
we
were
standing,
that
makes
me
uneasy
~
121
with
a
lot
of
discussions
that
relate
to
using
funding
as
[~
ZI
a
guide
in
prioritization.
I
know
it
s
going
to
bc
(
1.
q
there.
We
can
t
dismiss.
The
discussion
related
to
how
~
151
many
sites
in
the
experience
of
the
people
who
were
(
161
standing
there
up
front,
and
I
forget
which
ones.
It
was
~
171
some
of
those
people
from
EPA
I
believe
that
were
here
[
le]
yesterday.
I
don
t
want
to
blame,
because
I
m
not
sure
(
191
who
was
there
when
we
were
having
this
discussion.

PO1
We
started
talking
about
the
New
Bedford
site
[
211
and
the
changes
that
had
taken
place
from
the
beginning
[
221
of
looking
at
New
Bedford
to
today.
And
someone
voiced
Page
420
[
i]
the
opinion
at
least
that
about
40
percent
of
the
sites
[
2]
that
they
had
experience
with
went
through
a
signiiicanl
[
3]
change
to
what
the
remedialion
really
was
at
the
site.

141
And
the
reason
I
bring
all
that
up
is
I
think
it
raises
[
5]
fundamental
questions
about
whether
WC
really
know
what
I61
costs
are
early
in
the
process.
And
if
we
re
using
(
71
funding
as
prioritization,
I
almost
think
it
s
like
a
lot
[
a]
of
our
dealing
with
accounting.
That
we
have
a
lot
of
[
q
specific
numbers,
but
the
more
you
investigate
them,

01
they
re
not
really
as
firm
as
they
appear.
It
s
sort
of
I
I]
this
fuzzy
math.
And
so
I
just
worry
about
it.
I
don
t
121
know.
I
think
related
to
the
last
discussion,
but
also
131
applies
to
a
lot
of
this.
1
think
it
s
advantageous
to
141
delay
prioritization
as
long
as
possible,
because
151
obviously
we
know
more.
Even
though
there
arc
some
161
wonderful
benefits
probably
doing
it
up
front.
So,
you
171
get
busy
on
what
you
need
to
get
at,
and
don
t
waste
time
181
on
places
that
you
don
t
need
to
deal
with.

91
I
think
that
s
the
right
name,
right,
that
Mike
!
o]
mentioned.
The
dynamic
site
characterization
sort
of
?
I]
process.
I
think
we
might
want
to
know
more
about
that.

!
z]
Some
process
we
re
not
just
locking
everything
in
al
~___

Page
421
[
i]
whatever
stage
we
pick,
option
1
or
2
in
the
last
[
2]
discussion.
Maybe
we
shouldn
t
be
picking
so
much,
you
[
3]
know,
that
sort
of
thing
at
an
early
stage.

L41
I
noticed
we
used
the
word
on
page
37,
we
keep
[
s]
throwing
around
triage.
In
another
life
I
used
to
be
an
[
6]
Army
medic
and
we
used
the
term.
You
make
decisions
~
1
within
a
couple
seconds
in
a
scnsc.
hmazingly
I
think
[
E]
Superfund
sites
arc
far
more
complicated
than
that.
I
[
q
don
t
whether
you
can
do
triage
at
a
site
whcrc
YOLI
rc
[
IO]
not
even
sure
what
s
down
there
until
you
get
br
along
~
[
I
I]
like
New
Bedford
llarbor.

[
121
So,
anyway,
I
worry
a
lot
about
us
talking
about
[
IS]
money
as
the
guide
to
setting
priorities
when
I
don
t
1141
think
we
really
know
what
the
costs
are.
Maybe
I
­
so
I
[
IS]
can
(
inaudible)
from
the
card
again.
One
other
intcrcst
[
16]
­
this
is
a
specific
related
to
money
is
we
talked
about
1171
how
much
money
goes
to
ATSDR.
Since
yesterday
and
~
[
I81
repeatedly
we
hcdr
so
much
cretinism
of
ATSDR
I
wonder
if
~
191
we
aren
t
sitting
on
a
pot
of
money
­
why
not
take
it
1201
and
use
it
for
rcmcdiation.
CCL
focus
studies.

PiI
WI
MR.
LOEHR:
Dick
Dcwling.

MR.
DEMILING:
I
think
the
review
that
was
done
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I
{
II
was
very
good
in
terms
of
looking
at
some
of
the
options.

[
21
What
other
cash
­
and
that
was
the
word
they
used
­

[
3]
what
other
cash
programs
were
available.
What
I
would
(
41
urge
is
­
again,
I
ve
said
this
on
numerous
occasions,

151
WC
re
not
taking
a
big
enough
leap
into
the
innovation
of
[
6]
application
of
monjes
in
leveraging
that
could
provide
17)
additional
monies.
Bob
and
some
of
the
people
we
were
[
a]
talking
about
it
yesterday.
Thc
Agency
­
it
s
a
bullet
191
to
bite
where
you
say
the
Brownfields
grants
arc
no
[
ID]
longer
grants,
they
re
loans,
but
if
WC
can
leverage
that
[
ii]
to
three
to
four
times.
It
may
require
some
sort
of
[
iz]
legislative
change,
but
I
m
not
sure.
Rut
it
s
(
131
compardble
to
the
construction
grants
program
where
some
~
141
of
the
monies
can
go
into
the
state
revolving
fund,
which
[
IS]
arc
now
available
at
2
percent
lo;
Lns,
and
you
can
now
[
ICI
triple
the
money
that
you
had
available.`
lb
me
that
s
117)
important
to
try
to
think
of
leveraging
opportunities.

(
181
Thcrc
ain
t
no
cash
out
there
in
these
other
cows.
I
[
ig]
mean,
they
rc
dry,
too.
So,
now
you
vc
got
to
be
po]
innovative.
I
think
as
;
L
groLlp
we
should
recommend
that.

P'l
MR.
LOEHR:
Jim.

WI
MR.
DEROUIN:
I
lvdve
a
few
comments
that
stretch
[
I]
questions
that
EPA
has
asked
us
to
look
at.
And
it
is
rz]
totally
ignored
in
that
paragraph.
If
you
go
to
the
131
second
h111
paragraph,
there
s
a
statement
of
two
issues.

[
4]
Neither
of
which
take
into
account
efficiencies
or
~
51
timing.
And
I
would
suggest
that
there
is
yet
a
third
(
61
issue
to
be
presented
in
that
paragraph,
or
maybe
it
is
[
r]
the
mandate
and
the
real
question,
and
that
reads
as
[
a]
follows,
How
can
available
funds
be
spent
efficiently
,
[
gl
while
assuring
that
funds
are
allocated
to
all
sites
or
[
IO]
portions
thereof
that
present
current
health
risks,

[
I
11
current
exposure
risks?
That
s
one
statement
of
it,
but
[
I­
Z]
it
gets
at
the
issue
of
timiig.
It
gets
at
the
issue
of
(
131
sparsity.
hnd
it
gets
at
the
issue
of
prioritization,

[
141
which
is
what
I
think
oLLr
mandate
was.

[
I51
Over
on
page
36,
and
I
hate
to
harken
back
to
[
is]
this,
Kate.
But
I
just
think
we
ask
for
difficulties
if
[
17]
we
adopt
by
reference
basically
the
findings
of
the
RFF
[
la]
rcport.
A,
nd
that
starts
basically
in
the
middle
of
page
;
[
19]
S6
and
iU
carries
over
to
almost
the
bottom
of
page
38.

[
zo]
Not
that/
there
is
not
good
information
therein,
but
this
[
ZI]
was
a
se
4
arate
body.
We
re
not
an
expert
on
that
report.

[
zz]
I
know
I'm
not.
It
resulted
from
the
use
of
an
economic
[
i]
from
page
34
to
page
45.

e;
MR.
EHRMANN:
That
covers
it.

131
MR.
DEROUIN:
I
tltik
there
are
elements
here
141
that
arc
well­
written,
but
I
think
we
have
a
focus
[
s]
problem
in
the
11
pages.
Starting
with
the
title,
which
[
IS:
is
Program
Funding
and
Efliciencies.`
lhe
question
that
[
r]
l:
PA
answered
LIS
is,
how
do
you
spend
the
money
that
we
]
8l
have
better
and
look
at
several
aspects
of
it
whether
it
[
g]
be
NI'I.
listing,
mega
sites,
or
whatcvcr.
And
not
unlike
101
the
beltway
way
of
looking
at
things,
the
answer
that
111
thcsc
I
I
pages
provide
to
us
is
ask
for
more
moncy.
And
121
that
was
not
the
premise.
was
not
to
ask
for
more
money.

131
It
w:~
s
how
do
WC
best
spend
the
money
th:
Lt
we
have,
and
I
14:
think
that
is
the
focus
problem.

`
51
Specifically.
over
on
page
35
and
the
material
IS]
that
carrirs
over
from
page
34,
WC
talk
about
money
171
ncctls.`
I'hc
number
of
sites
placed
on
the
list.`
l'he
iA]
types
of
cleanups
implcmcntcd,
and
who
the
government
or
191
rcsponsibtc
partics
referred
to
actualty
paid.
And
I
201
would
suggest
that
there
is
a
1i)
rth
criteria
therc.
And
211
that
is
the
coordination
of
511~
5
a1
various
stages
in
221
the
plpclinc
and
remedial
actLoti.`
l'hat
is
one
of`
the
'
[
I]
model.
I
deal
with
ground
water
contaminate
flow
models
~
21
all
the
time,
and
I
know
the
pluses
and
the
minuses
of
[
3]
doing
that.
I
would
feel
much
more
comforrable
quite
[
4]
frankly
in
improving
the
language
up
to
the
top
of
page
~
51
36,
and
then
striking
the
information
therein
on
the
rest
[
SJ
of
page
36
to
three­
quarters
down
on
page
38.

~
171
To
highlight
some
of
the
specitics
in
addition
[
a]
to
the
dollar
amounts
that
bother
me,
over
on
page
37
in
191
the
paragraph
that
starts
right
below
the
one,
two,

[
IO]
three.
it
states
that,
Given
these
assumptions
in
the
[
ii]
1~
11'
estimates
of
hlture
costs,
it
is
fair
to
conclude
LIZ]
that
current
funding
levels
are
not
adequate
to
continue
,[
13]
to
implement
clcdnups.
And
my
definition
of
cleanup
is
[
IS]
Ri\
s.
And
I
know
that
I
don
t
have
enough
information
to
[
is]
hc
able
to
conclude
that
there
isn
t
enough
money
to
be
[
t6]
continued
to
implement
RAs.

i[
i7]
And
ag;
Lin
on
the
bottom
of
the
page
the
last
[
ia]
par:
Lgraph,`
I'hc
Agency
acknowledges
that
current
funding
[
is]
levels
will
not
permit
immediate
cleanup.
All
of
us
who
11201
arc
in
the
Super­
fund
know
that
there
is
no
such
thing
as
I
(
[
ZI]
irnmcdiatc
cleanup.
l%
zryonr
pump
and
treat
is
a
20
to
30
'
1221
year
rcmcdy.
Thc
Nrw
Bcdl'ord
remedy
inches
anywhere
from
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[
i]
­
the
Mayor
s
on
the
phone,
so
he
won
t
hear
this
­
[
il
asked
for
it
be
flushed
out
in
addition
to
the
[
z]
from
5
to
50
yearsThese
are
long
termAnd
I
think
[
2]
prioritization
discussions
which
we
ve
already
been
[
3]
there
is
­
it
s
an
inartful
choice
of
language.

[
41
MR.
EHRMANN:
We
re
going
to
get
your
written
151
comments,
right?

161
MR.
DEROUIN:
Yes,
you
are.
As
soon
as
I
get
[
7]
backAnd
going
over
to
page
43
in
the
first
Pull
,
­
[
3]
talking
about
and
we
ll
talk
about
them
in
the
section
(
41
So
be
that
for
whatever
it
s
worth.

[
51
I
think
the
issue
about
my
kind
of
subcommittee
[
6]
small
pea
political
observation
would
be
that
for
that
[
7]
there
is
an
interplay
between
people
­
based
on
[
r]
make
this
as
helpful
as
we
can
to
EPA.
But
with
rcspec~

[
z]
to
the
parenthetical
question
there
on
page
45
­

[
3]
personally
I
would
like
to
see
the
program
have
more
[
4]
money.
But
we
can
say
that
all
we
want
and
we
can
slice
IS]
and
dice
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
the
fact
of
the
matter
(
61
is,
it
is
wasted
effort
on
our
part.
And
I
think
that
we
[
7]
should
concentrate
on
the
questions
presented
to
us
[
B]
rather
than
something
that
is
going
to
be
divisive
and
[
s]
really
doesn
t
speak
to
our
mandate.

[
lOI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Just
a
couple
comments.
One
is,

[
i
11
in
Phoenix
there
was
­
the
subcommittee
made
a
decision
[
IZ]
to
have
a
specific
section
on
funding
explored
[
13]
acknowledging
that
that
s
only
one
aspect
of
the
issues
~
141
that
I
think
you
just
well
articulated
in
terms
of
the
[
15]
overall
charge,
Jim.
This
section
s
in
here
because
the
~
161
subcommittee
asked
for
it
to
be
in
here.
And
it
is,

~
171
obviously,
only
one
piece
of
responding
to
the
charge
[
rs]
relative
to
prioritization.
All
of
the
other
issues
we
[
IsI
talked
about
yesterday
and
today
relate
to
[
zo]
prioritization.
The
subcommittee
could
decide
you
don
I
~
211
want
to
make
any
comments
about
the
overaIl
funding
[
22]
situation.
But
this
was
in
here
because
the
subcommittee
[
a]
paragraph,
4
lines
up
from
the
bottom
of
that
paragraph
[
s]
we
caution
about
future
funding
failures.
Failures
has
a
[
a]
conversations
we
vc
had
over
the
year,
there
is
going
to
[
s]
be
an
interplay
in
terms
what
s
available
for
eventual
[
IO]
consensus
between
people
s
sense
of
the
funding
of
the
~
111
program
and
the
need
for
prioritization.
So,
I
think
[
12]
that
s
why
this
ended
up
being
something
these
folks
1131
asked
forAnd
again,
it
s
the
subcommittee
s
decision
[
IO]
whole
different
meaning
than
short
falls,
inadequacies,

[
ii]
or
whatever
else.
It
just
kind
of
implies
a
[
IZ]
predisposition
here
to
answer
an
EPA
question
about
how
1131
do
we
best
use
existing
dollars
with
the
response,
give
~
141
us
more
dollars.

[
151
Page
44,
I
was
going
to
make
Dick
Dewling
s
[
16]
point.
I
think
we
should
look
at
creative
types
of
~
171
leveraging
that
would
spread
current
dollars
further.

[
IS]
And
he
has
in
mind
really
loans
rather
than
grants
at
low
[
ig]
interest
for
long
terms,
et
cetera,
to
try
and
spread
few
1201
dollars
further.

[
211
And
over
on
page
45,
I
think
the
summary
of
[
22]
recommendations
and
rational,
we
can
work
on
to
try
and
­

Page
427
~
"
[
I]
d
we
re
going
to
get
into
the
business
for
suggesting
~
121
for
the
next
5
years
or
10
years
what
the
Superfund
~
131
budget
should
be,
we
rc
going
to
have
to
change
our
focus
[
4]
and
do
a
lot
of
work
between
now
and
December.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
That
s
why
I
raised
the
issue
I
(
61
did
earlier
about
do
you
want
to
take
on
the
macro
issue
[
7]
or
not.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Sue.

PI
MS.
BRIGGUM:
I
feel
emboldened
by
Dr.
Loehr
who
(
141
about
whether
you
want
to
explore
this
issue
or
not.
But
[
lo]
had
the
same
confusion
I
did.
This
is
a
really
long
[
II]
chapter,
but
1
still
don
t
think
the
report
mdkcs
it
a11
[
12]
clear
exactly
what
the
budget
is
and
how
much
is
spent
to
`$
131
what
I
found
Betsy
s
description
today
much
more
helpful
~
151
that
was
the
tenor
of
the
discussion
that
lead
to
folks
[
14]
than
some
of
the
descriptions
I
vc
had
before.
hnd
it
[
is]
would
be
really
useful
to
understand.
Everybody
hears
[
16]
being
asked
to
put
this
in.
Whether
this
is
drafted
[
16]
the
issue
of
Brownfields
going
to
another
program,
ct
[
i7]
cetera.
It
would
be
really
helpful
just
to
hdvc
a
very
[
17]
right,
whether
it
should
reference
the
RIF,
I
mean
all
[
18]
clear
description
of
exactly
what
the
budget
is,
and
what
[
is]
the
trends
have
been
over
10
ycars.
At
least
10
years
I
[
la]
the
things
you
say
are
well­
taken
and
obviously
we
II
[
20]
think
would
be
very
helpful,
because
then
we
can
(
211
communicale
what
lhc
budget
is.
[
is]
factor
those
into
the
next
draft.

WI
WI
I
share
Jim
s
concerns
and
Kate
will
note
this
MR.
DEROUIN:
Well,
I
did
not
ask
for
the
~
211
removal
of
page
35
and
the
top
of
36.
So,
I
think
there
~
221
can
be
and
perhaps
should
be
some
discussion
of
it.
But
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429
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about
doing
modeling
and
projections
in
terms
of
budget
[
z]
nceds.
Thal
is
something
that
we
didn
t
have
a
chance
to
[
q
talk
to.
So,
that
probably
is
a
challenge,
too.
I
bpent
[
q
way
too
much
time
on
the
business
roundtable
talking
(
51
about
modeling
about
the
fiiancial
needs
of
the
program
[
q
to
have
any
illusion
about
the
degree
to
which
you
can
(
71
have
1
ii0
versions
all
with
different
numbersAnd
if
we
[
al
haven
t
gone
through
that
process,
I
think
we
11
do
(
91
ourselves
a
disservice
to
kind
of
put
something
out
thal
[
IO]
most
of
us
couldn
t
explain.
Especially
since
it
s
very
[
I>]
clearly
and
conveyed
in
Kate
s
book,
and
everyone
s
aware
[
i2!
of
that.

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MR.
LOEHR:
Jane.

I141
MS.
GARDNER:
Since
we
re
all
getting
close
to
[
IS]
lunch,
I
though
I
d
lob
a
boom
here
so
we
could
all
be
[
i6]
awake
until
lunchtime.
Maybe
it
would
be
helpful
if
we
1171
talked
about
­
and
1
m
not
sure
we
ve
really
identified
[
is]
what
the
problem
is
with
funding
in
the
Superfund
[
I91
program.
Why
is
it
a
problem?
And
I
have
my
views.
I
m
[
zo]
sure
everybody
has
their
views.
But
mine
is
that
the
[
zi]
money
that
we
have
does
not
go
to
affeclive
CkanUp.

[
zz]
l`
hcre
is
so
much
waste
in
the
Superfund
program
that
does
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not
help
anybody.
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not
help
communities.
11
doesn
t
[
z]
help
states.
It
doesn
t
help
the
Federal
government.

~
31
And
I
ve
been
on
both
sides
of
this.
I
ve
spent
money
on
141
both
sides,
on
the
EPA
side
and
on
this
side.
And
the
[
5;
amount
of
waste
in
this
program
is
mind­
boggling.

161
And
the
toughest
issue
I
think
in
Superfund,

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which
is
a
policy
issue
that
1
don
t
think
WC
can
solve
[
a]
at
all.
PPLI~
I
think
it
might
be
worth
raising
to
EI­`
A
as
[
q
an
issue
they
should
start
to
tackle
is
the
issue
of
with
[
lo]
limilcd
funds,
which
is
a
hcl
of
live
on
a
personal
11
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Icvc~
l.
on
a
government
level,
on
a
state
level,
on
a
[
iz]
conlpany
Icvcl,
whcthcr
you
like
it
or
not,
it
s
a
fact
of
[
ia!
livcl.
And
given
that
Lherc
is
a
limited
amount
of
money
Ii41
and
we
have
this
group
of
mcga
sites.
we
have
a
lot
of
1151
smaller
sites.
We
have
sites
with
current
risk.
We
have
[
IS]
sites
with
theoretical
hypothetical
risks.
We
have
sites
[<
7!
with
almost
guaranteed
future
risks.
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that
kind
of
(
in]
stufl"
l`
l~
e
issue
to
me,
and
I
think
the
one
that
is
the
[
is]
meal
of
the
problem
hcrc,
is
does
Superfund
spend
more
[
zo]
money
on
Icss
sites
or
icss
money
on
mote
sites
depending
`?
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on
!
hc
Icvcl
of
clcariup
and
protection
you
want
to
get?

[
22)
I
know
thal
s
unpopular.
And
I
know
there
s
a
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[
rs]
Jane.
What
she
said
1
think
is
pretty
much
the
feeling
[
iq
of
all
the
companies
probably
in
the
room.
However,
when
(
zo]
we
me1
in
Phoenix
we
talked
about
funding.
I
don
t
[
zl]
remcmbcr
that
conversation
tolally
like
it
s
been
[
22]
presented.
1
thought
we
rc
Vdlking
about
prioritization
Page
432
presumption
here
that
all
sites
should
be
cleaned
up
perfectly,
and
that
has
not
happened
in
the
whole
history
of
the
Superfund
program.
1
have
been
at
hundreds
of
Superfund
sites.
I
m
responsible
for
about
800
remedial
sites
around
the
country.
It
s
a
lot.
Not
because
we
re
bad,
Grant,
but
because
we
re
the
oldest
company
in
America.

UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
I
didn
t
say
anything.

MS.
GARDNER:
And
we
did
a
lot
of
manufacturing
in
1879
and
so
forth,
and
invented
the
light
bulb,
et
cetera.

MR.
EHRMANN:
And
he
buys
GE
light
bulbs,
too
I
believe.

MS.
GARDNER:
And
don
t
forget
jet
engines.
No,

but
we
ve
done
manufacturing
before
modern
environmental
Iaws
just
like
everybody
else
in
the
country
that
has
survived
this
long.
And
we
re
the
only
company
left
that,

was
on
the
Dow
in
1900
that
s
still
on
the
Dow.
And
that
means
that
all
the
companies
that
did
this
stuff
in
the
1800s
and
the
17OOs,
everybody
else
is
paying
for
now.

I
think
this
is
a
terribly
difficult
issue.
I
don
t
think
we
re
going
to
come
to
consensus.
I
know
Page
433
everybody
is
passlbnate
about
it
in
one
way
or
tie
other.

But
I
think
that
unless
we
can
advise
EPA
on
a
policy
level
that
they
need
to
make
a
decision
or
suggest
alternative
decisions
about
how
they
re
going
to
spend
their
limited
funding,
what
they
think
risks
should
be,

whal
priority
and
different
kinds
of
risks
they
should
address.
And
how
much
money
goes
to
cleanup
as
opposed
to
study
and
overhead
and
oversight,
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
We
re
not
getting
anywhere.
We
can
all
talk
about
our
dreams
for
Superfund,
but
it
s
just
not
going
to
happen.

So,
I
hope
that
woke
everybody
up.
People
may
not
want
to
talk
about
that,
and
that
s
find.
But
I
do
think
that
if
we
don
t,
we
re
doing
a
disservice
to
our
charge
here.

MR.
LOEHR:
Glen.

MR.
HAMMER:
I
don
t
know
how
I
can
top
that,

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[
i
]
of
funding.
Not
how
do
we
fund
the
program
differently.
Lll
MS.
PETERS:
Pardon
me.

[
2]
So,
I
think
that
s
the
first
point.
[
PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Text
was
written
by
our
insurance
PI
The
second
point
is,
there
is
an
awful
lot
of
131
firm.

[
4]
waste.
Some
of
the
ideas
here
about
the
contracts
and
141
MS.
PETERS:
Well,
they
may
not
want
people
to
[
5]
things
like
that,
I
think
EPA
really
needs
to
take
a
[
s]
know
then
that
people
can
recover
from
insurance
[
s]
close
look
inside
themselves
about
how
they
manage
these
[
s]
policies.
I
could
probably
dig
up
that
resource
if
we
171
sites.
Because
there
s
a
lot
of
money
that
can
still
be
r/]
want
to
explore.

[
a]
gained
from
doing
this
thing
more
effectively,
more
PI
I
had
a
couple
other
­
because
I
m
­
my
blood
(
91
efficiently.
And
that
certainly
goes
back
to
Jane
s
[
g]
sugar
is
way
too
low
to
deal
with
Jane
s
issue
right
now.

[
IO]
point
about
the
waste
that
we
see.
And
we
see
it
all
the
io]
I
had
some
other
more
mundane
things
to
tdik
about.
One
[
ill
time.
In
our
company
we
ve
had
to
tighten
our
belts
111
is,
I
think
it
s
probably
pretty
obvious
to
a
lot
of
~
121
considerably
year
after
year
after
year.
And
I
expect
121
people,
but
nobody
s
said,
so
I
wilLAnd
that
is,

(
131
the
same
thing
from
the
government
agency.
131
there
s
a
lot
of
overlap
between
this
section
and
the
[
I41
MR.
LOEHR:
Vicky.
II
141
state
and
Federal
program
section.
So,
those
need
to
bc
[
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MS.
PETERS:
I
do
remember
that
­
151
put
together.

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OFTAPE)
761
Another
issue
that
was
raised
in
this
section
[
171
MS.
PETERS:
­
we
was
ail
for
it,
because
she
171
which
the
NPL
group
has
talked
about
quite
a
bit
is
one
[
la]
was
going
to
be
doing
the
work.
And
Kate
wasn
t
there
to
ia]
of
the
down
sides
to
listing
sites
on
the
NPL
is
then
the
[
1
g]
defend
herself,
and
we
volunteered
her,
too.
And
I
think
191
lack
of
availability
of
Brownfields
funding.
And
I
~
201
it
is
important
anytime
a
bunch
of
people
start
saying
201
would
just
note
­
I
m
not
sure
what
to
do
about,
but
I
~
211
give
us
more
money
and
that
will
solve
the
problem.
I
I[
211
would
just
note
that
that
concerns
goes
away
­
Whdt
is
[
22]
know
I
m
skeptical
and
I
know
a
lot
of
people
­
the
221
the
region
in
Arizona?
Is
it
region
9?
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435
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437
[
I]
industry
is
always
skeptical,
because
we
re
always
[
ll
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
Nine.

(
21
concerned
about
waste.
So,
I
really
want
to
applaud,
as
121
MS.
PETERS:
In
region
9
they
had
a
site
on
the
[
3]
Glen
said,
some
of
the
work
that
s
gone
into
this.
And
[
3]
NPL
and
they
did
a
partial
de­
listing
and
shunted
part
01
[
4]
I
m
very
curious
about
some
of
these
contracting
[
4]
it
over
to
Brownfields
funding.
And
if
that
s
legal,

[
s]
mechanisms.
It
seems
to
me
that
they
have
a
lot
of
[
5]
and
I
have
questions
myself,
but
maybe
it
s
worth
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potential.
I
m
a
little
bit
hesitant
because
I
don
t
[
7]
know
what
you
guys
are
talking
about
half
the
time,
so
I
[
a]
think
in
order
to
be
responsible
we
kind
of
need
some
[
gl
education.

[
lOI
On
one
of
those
points
though
there
was
a
[
ii]
statement
in
here
about
the
third
party
recovery
and
how
[
12]
EPA
could
not
utilize
the
insurance
policies,
and
I
don
1
[
13]
know
how
much
chance
you
guys
got
to
get
into
that.
I
vc
~
141
heard
a
couple
of
presentations
now
where
there
s
­
I
~
151
can
t
remember
who
it
was,
but
some
law
firms.
some
guys
(
161
are
out
there
really
plugging
this
big
timeAnd
I
put
[
17]
that
question
to
them
directly,
and
they
said
absolutely
IIS]
you
can
in
some
instances.
So,
I
don
t
know
if
that
was
[
19]
a
scam
or
whether
we
need
to
do
more
work
to
explore
[
20]
that.
But
certainly
if
it
s
not
a
scam,
it
s
worth
[
zi]
exploring.

L721
MR.
EHRMANN:
(
Inaudible)
or
insurance
tirst.
[
s]
exploring.
But
if
that
can
be
done,
that
problem
goes
[
7]
away.
So,
maybe
we
need
to
think
about
that.

PI
And
then
I
did
­
maybe
people
can
refer
me
to
[
g]
where
things
came
from
and
I
can
deal
with
it
offline.

[
lo]
But
I
didn
t
understand
on
page
35,
footnote
1.
Maybe
[
ii]
this
is
Jane
s
issue.
I
don
t
know,
but
it
says
one
can
[
12]
take
this
further
and
also
ask
what
kind
of
cleanups
(
131
should
be
implemented
given
these
limited
funds.
An
(
141
issue
being
addressed
in
another
section
of
Ihc
report.

[
us]
I
had
no
idea
what
that
was
talking
about.
So,
if
[
is]
somebody
knows
and
can
explain
that,
1
d
appreciate
it.

[
I71
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
I
think
the
answer
to
that
[
18]
is
no.
Nobody
can
explain
it.

['
91
MS.
PETERS:
Nobody
can
explain
it.
Okay.

[
zo]
Perhaps
then
it
should
come
out.
II'
nobody
can
explain
[
zi]
it,
then
perhaps
it
should
come
oul.

WI
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
Vicky,
could
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440
[
I]
where
that
is,
pkdSc.
[
I]
the
issues
that
I
raised
with
her.
And
the
issue
is
­

PI
MS.
PETERS:
Page
35,
footnote
1.
I21
MS.
PETERS:
1
understand
the
NRD
issue,
but
the
PI
MS.
GARDNER:
I
might
be
able
to.
131
way
it
s
written
here
doesn
t
make
any
sense.
And
we
[
41
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Is
that
your
comment?
[
4]
need
to
preserve
that
issue.
We
need
to
do
it
I51
MS.
GARDNER:
Yeah,
it
s
sort
of
my
comment.
[
q
accurately.
[
q
It
s
the
notion
of
limited
funds,
how
clean
is
clean?
Fl
MR.
EHRMANN:
We
11
get
clarification.
[
r]
And
I
know
everybody
hates
it,
but
that
is
one
reality
of
(
71
MS.
PETERS:
Okay.
Thanks.
ISI
deal&
with
a
limited
budget.
And
that,
I
think,
is
an
PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Kate.
~
91
appropriate
comment
for
us
to
talk
about.
Whethcr
or
not
[
91
MS.
PROBST:
I
m
not
going
to
respond
to
Jim
s
[
jo]
we
agree,
which
we
won
t.
Ilow
s
that
for
pessimism?
[
lo]
comment
just
because
it
would
be
a
waste
of
time.
But
I
1'
11
`
I'?)
recognize
that
there
is
an
issue
of
if
you
[
I
I]
have
four
thoughts
here.
One
is
something
that
got
lost
[
jz]
$
100.
do
you
put
a
$
100
to
take
everything
out
of
1
site,
(
121
which
1
vc
heard
around
the
table,
is
putting
the
burden
[
131
or
do
you
put
50
in
2,
or
do
you
10
in
IO?`
I'hat
s
what
~
131
on
EPA
to
efficiently
use
their
Superfund
dollars
more.

1141
WC
all
do
everyday
in
our
daily
lives.
~
141
Sue
s
talked
about,
I
ve
talked
about,
we
ve
tried
to
get
[
I?
MS.
PETERS:
Jane,
I
didn
t
want
to
take
on
that
[
is]
a
better
handle
when
WC
did
our
study
on
where
these
(
161
issue.
1
just
wanted
just
wanted
to
underspdnd
­
when
I
~
61
dollars
were
going.
Especially
the
sort
of
$
300
million
[
jq
read
this
I
thought
is
that
what
this
is?
(
171
that
g,
oes
lo
chief
financial
officer
or
supposedly
rent.

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GARDNER:
I
didn
t
write
this
footnote.
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[
iq
don
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think.
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you
tell
me
I
did.
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think
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bunch
of
things
that
certainly
are
necessary
at
/
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some
ilevel,
but
frankly
we
were
not
convinced
they
were
po]
that
s
the
issue.
PO]
necessary
at
the
level
that
they
re
being
funded.

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MS.
PETERS:
Okay.
12'
1
I.
inpa
Fisher
promised
that
they
would
follow
up.

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UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
WC
thought
you
did,
(
221
1
think
they
have
not
followed
up.
So
I
think,
Lynn
Dean
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because
WC
thought
it
(
inaudihlc)
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II
and
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and
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it
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of
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when
sites
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about
how
[
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much
more
clearly
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there
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­
get
your
own
house
in
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WC
prioritize
funding.
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it
does
not
rcfcrence
that,
[
3]
order
before
you
start
to
ask
for
money.
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I
think
(
41
and
I
think
it
needs
to
be
clarified.
,
[
4]
that
s
our
omission,
and
that
really
needs
to
be
in
El
MS.
PETERS:
Okay.
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then
the
other
thing
IsI
there.
(
61
that
1
just
didn
t
understand
and
need
clarification
I61
One
point
that
Jim
made
I
think
that
I
would
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on
­
oh.
shot,
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didn
t
write
down
the
page
number.
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~
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disagree
with
is
­
message
I
got
from
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don
t
know
ifit
(
81
there
s
something
in
here
about
NRD
and
statute
of
[
a]
was
Whitman
or
Fisher
or
Marianne
is,
they
don
t
really
191
limitations.
191
want
us
to
come
hack
and
say
more
money,
but
we
can
if
we
"
01
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
I
didn
t
understand
it
)
[
lo]
feel
like
it.
And
the
fact
that
President
s
04
budget
[
I
11
cithcr.

LIZI
MS.
PETERS:
That
didn
t
make
sense
to
me,
and
I
[
iz;
think
whoever
wrote
it
­
you
know,
I
can
work
with
(
141
people
to
tix
that.

[
I51
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Where
is
that?

Cl61
MS.
PETERS:
Page
li
1.
It
would
he
talking
about
1171
liPA
and
the
context
of
preserving
?
rlRD.
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whole
lhing
[
IS]
docsn
I
make
any
scnsc.

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FEMALE:
I
can
t
verify
pq
(
inaudible).

i;`
ll
MS.
PETERS:
Okay.

123
UNlDENTlFlED
MALE:
Also.
I
think
that
s
one
of
~
1111
has
some
extra
money
in
there
suggests
to
me
that
if
the
(
121
committee
believe,
which
I
don
t
know
if
we
all
do,
that
(
131
as
the
statute
is
currently
written
and
everything
is
~
141
currently
status
quo,
I
think
what
WC
re
hearing
is
EPA
(
15)
is
not
listing
sites
that
have
governor
s
concurrence.

~
161
`
I'hey
are
holding
on
to
actions
that
are
ready
to
go,
at
(
171
least
that
s
what
I
ve
heard.
I
think
we
might
all
agree
[
IFI]
that
thcrc
seems
to
bc
at
least
a
short
term
funding
[
tq
shortfall
maybe
we
wouldn
t.
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I
guess
I
think
that
[
zo]
lhat
s
an
issue
that
we
arc
allowed
to
put
on
the
table.

(
211
And
the
I;
tcl
that
the
04
President
s
budget
asks
for
~
221
$
I.
45
million
more
Ihr
cleanup
suggests
to
me
that
we
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[
I]
not
hallucinating
to
raise
that
issue.

El
A
third
issue
­
I
hate
to
agree
with
Jane
just
[
3]
on
general
principal.

r41
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Well,
this
is
a
first.

PI
MS.
PROBST:
No
it
s
not.

Fl
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Are
we
recording
this?

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yes.

PI
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
The
light
bulb
went
off.

[
91
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Sylvania?

(
101
MS.
PROBST:
I
think
this
is
a
problem
with
any
[
I
11
facilitation
where
we
re
trying
to
reach
a
consensus.
I
~
121
think
that
­
and
I
wrote
something
early
on
that
didn
t
(
131
catch
any
fire.
I
think
there
are
some
real­
world
[
r4]
options
out
there.
I
ll
put
some
on
the
table
that
I
[
is]
don
t
know
if
I
agree
with.
Do
we
feel
that
the
role
of
[
IS]
EPA
really
is
to
address
sites
that
are
huge
and
so
(
171
expense
like
New
Bedford
Harbor,
or
if
GE
goes
bankrupt,

[
la]
Housatonic,
and
big
mining
sites.
And
do
more
removals
[
19]
more
efficiently.
There
are
different
ways
to
conceive
[
zo]
of
this
program
when
dollars
are
limited.
I
think
that
1211
we
ve
shied
away
­
I
mean
I
wasn
t
on
that
Workgroup
and
~
221
I
guess
Katherine
may
have
tried
it.
We
ve
shied
away
Page
443
[
I]
from
these
very
difficult
options.
I
personally,
and
I
m
[
2]
comfortable
with
these
prioritization
schemes
that
are
131
very
bureaucratic
or
hard
to
understand.
I
don
t
really
[
4]
know
what
the
tradeoffs
are.
I
mean,
they
make
me
very
[
s]
nervous
when
we
talk
about
we
re
going
to
do
a
littlc
[
s]
more
of
this,
a
little
bit
more
of
that.
I
m
with
Mel,
I
[
7]
want
to
see
more
money
to
remedial
action.
So,
maybe
[
a]
it
s
got
to
come
from
somewhere
else.
I
want
certain
[
9]
cleanups
to
be
done.
I
want
us
to
be
honest
to
[
IO]
communities
about
what
we
re
doing.

[
ill
And
it
seems
to
me
that
on
the
what
sites
go
on
[
12]
the
NPL,
which
was
the
first
topic
we
took,
I
think
we
(
131
haven
t
thought
very
radically
or
very
creatively,

[
14]
because
we
re
all
scared
to
and
we
know
it
will
be
drdg
[
15]
and
it
will
be
divisive.
But
I
guess
I
think
that
maybe
1161
I
would
feel
better
if
we
d
frame
some
of
those
options
~
171
knowing
we
are
not
going
to
reach
agreement
on
them.

[
la]
Okay.
There
s
no
way
that
Jane
and
I,
Grant
and
Jane,
me
1191
and
Steve,
there
s
no
way
we
re
going
to
reach
agreement.

PO1
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
I
think
(
inaudible)
Grant.

[
ZI]
I
know
that.

PI
MS.
PROBST:
But
maybe
thcrc
are
two
or
three
ot
Page
444
[
I]
them
that
can
say,
you
know,
these
are
real
policy
[
2]
options.
They
are
very
difficult
choices.
But
see
my
[
3]
concern
is
that
as
we
move
all
these
little
boxes
around
[
4]
and
more
money
here
and
delaying
there,
I
don
t
know
what
[
5]
we
re
doing.
When
I
think
about
the
women
who
had
spoke
[
6]
yesterday
are
they
­
they
re
not
paid
fuli­
time
to
[
7]
follow
this
complicated
program.
So,
the
more
we
rc
[
a]
moving
boxes
around
and
making
bureaucratic
guidance
[
g]
decisions
that
we
all
can
maybe
follow,
I
don
t
think
1
o]
that
s
good
public
policy.

"
I
So,
I
guess
I
do
wonder
whether
we
need
to
­

121
and
I
don
t
know
if
I
m
happy
to
write
anything
anymore.

131
You
know,
I
think
there
are
some
radical
options.
hnd
I
141
think
we
ve
shied
away
from
them.
hnd
I
guess
that
is]
strikes
me
as
a
shame.
Was
that
okay?

161
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
She
likes
radical.

171
MS.
PROBST:
What?

181
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Jane
likes
radical.

191
MS.
PROBST:
We
do.
Thc
t­
ma1
thing
that
goes
201
to
measuring
performance
­
and
again
I
know
this
is
a
21)
pet
thing
of
Sue
and
mines,
which
maybe
we
ve
been
in
221
Washington
way
too
long.
It
goes
to
transparency
of
the
Page
445
[
i]
program
s
budget.
hnd
again,
this
s
something
Lynn
Dean
[
2]
and
I
left
out
that
we
shouldn
t
have.
It
wasn
t
on
the
[
a]
agenda
from
Phoenix,
which
is
part
of
the
problem.
We
11
141
blame
them.
But
the
whole
question
about
how
money
­
1
1
[
5]
mean,
I
could
have
easily
written
the
section
you
want.

[
6]
I
apologize.
And
Betsy
s
staff
gave
me
the
numbers.
So,

[
7]
it
wasn
t
on
my
laundry
list
of
things
to
include.
But
[
a]
the
question
of
where
does
this
money
really
go.
Even
in
~
[
g]
the
bureaucratic
sense.
I
tried
this
once
before
and
I
[
lo]
failed.
Maybe
this
group
can
get
EPA
to
do
it,
because
[
II]
you
certain
have
more
clout
than
RFS
does.

[
I21
But
the
question
of
transparency
of
budget,
no1
[
13]
just
this
year
and
next
year.
So
that
people
can
get
a
~
141
sense,
you
know,
why
has
the
remedial
action
budget
[
rq
stayed
relatively
constant
over
time,
and
then
we
hear
[
i6]
Marianne
Horenko
(
phonetic),
who
is
a
very
nice
person,

~
171
whine
that
we
don
t
have
enough
money.
The
remedial
[
re]
action
budget
should
be
increasing
as
sites
move
through
[
rs]
the
pipeline.
And
it
should
be
increasing
more
[
zo]
dramatically
than
it
is.
So,
I
think
we
need
some
[
zi]
transparency
of
dollars
and
where
WC
can
track
thcm.`
l`
hc
`[**
j
reason
WC
don
t
have
10
year
numbers
and
detail
in
our
~~.
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442
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book,
is
because
EPA
changed
all
their
accounting
(
21
categories
and
they
don
t
keep
track
of
how
they
did
it,

[
q
so
you
can
t
actually
go
back
10
years
except
for
at
a
(
41
very
macro
level,
which
we
can
do.
But
they
changed
all
151
their
codes.
We
can
try
to
set
up
something
where
we
(
61
sap
you
know,
where
we
suggest
something
that
is
171
transparent,
that
is
done
annually,
and
that
is
public,
Page
446
~
81
and
some
performance
measure
about
how
they
re
using
191
their
money
in
terms
of
contracts.

101
And
the
last
thing
I
11
say
is
I
hate
to
use
DOE
rl]
as
an
example
of
anything
wonderfuLAnd
Mike'I'ilchin
121
might
be
able
to
speak
to
this
since
he
s
with
CH2M
W.

131
Bob
Carr
is
like
the
number
three
guy
over
there
and
I
141
think
the
senior
guy
at
Kaiser
Hill,
which
is
the
Rocky
151
Flat
s
contractor,
they
did
all
sorts
of
interesting
161
contract
work.
DOE
has
a
budget
of
where
they
try
to
171
accelerate
certain
sites
so
they
end
at
some
point.
I
181
mean,
they
rc
not
that
far
awdy
from
EPA,
and
there
seems
191
to
have
been
no
overlap
in
communication
about
­
and
DOE
203
has
0
sites
that
take
up
80
percent
of
their
budget.
So,

211
thry
vc
got
basically
six
mcga
sites
and
then
they
have
221
all
thcsc
other
sites.
____­
­

Page
447
[`
I
Maybe
we
need
to
encourage
­
Bob
Carr
s
a
[
PI
member
of
the
administration.`
I`
hey
could
get
together
[
3;
and
talk.
So.
I
think
there
arc
some
things
that
you
can
~
41
learn
from
other
programs
that
somehow
haven
t
been
151
learnctl.
Ancl
I
II
be
quite.

161
MR.
EHRMANN:
On
your
point
about
willing
to
(
71
look
al
other
options,
if
that
was
really
­
that
kind
of
181
idea
was
in
the
spirit
of
what
I
think
the
chairman
and
I
(
91
were
talking
about
yesterday
as
to
WC
still
need
new
1101
ideas.
So,
just
because
things
haven
t
been
­
sometimes
[
i
11
you
riced
to
see
what
s
in
here
to
know
what
s
missing.

[?;`
I
And
I
~+~
uld
­
I
don
t
care
about
the
consensus
part,

1131
bccausc
1
guarantee
you
no
one
around
this
table
knows
1141
right
now
what
s
going
to
end
up
being
agreed
upon
and
[
is]
not
agreed
upon
in
this
report
period.
And
I
can
[
161
guarantee
you
WC
rc
not
going
to
have
a
good
report
;`,
I
unless
people
put
some
more
stuff
on
the
table.
So,
1
1181
don
t
scc
any
rcasoti
lo
shy
away
from
Iloating
some
of
1191
those
iclcas.
And
then
as
WC
said
yesterday,
there
s
lots
~
201
of
ways
that
the
report
can
express
those
ideas
whether
1~
1:
Ihcy
rc
supported
by
everybody
in
the
room
or
not.

[
221
MS.
PROBST:
13~
1
wc
have
to
all
­
I
ve
heard
Page
448
[
I]
the
phrase
from
a
bunch
of
people
­
I
can
live
with
that
~
21
or
I
can
t.
If
we
can
­
is
blackball
the
right
word?

Is1
If
we
can
­
if
anyone
of
us
has
the
power,
whatever,

[
4]
it
s
like
the
UN.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
We
wouldn
t
have
60
pages
there
if
(
61
people
had
done
that.

I[
[:
I[:

[:
[
71
MS.
PROBST:
Well,
but
on
this
­
this
is
the
[
EI
topic
where
it
gets
really
dicey,
frankly.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
You
got
to
write
it
down
though
IO]
before
we
II
know.

111
MS.
PROBST:
I
tried
that
early
on.
I
can
do
121
it.
Other
people
can
do
it.
I
think
we
ve
got
to
be
131
willing
to
­
and
maybe
given
the
nature
of
fact
that
we
141
have
to
listen
to
workgroups.
And
that
s
the
other
151
problem.
Is
Steve
stiIl
here?
You
know,
if
it
ends
up
161
inside
EPA,
then
it
s
kind
of
a
problem
for
people.

171
That
s
sort
of
the
reality.
Because
all
of
a
sudden
it
s
181
the
committee
said,
when
in
fact
the
committee
didn
t
191
say.
1
m
willing
to
help
more
that
process
forward,

201
although
I
have
no
time.
I
think
we
have
to
talk
frankIy
211
as
a
committee
whether
WC
ve
got
people
are
comfortable
221
with
doing
that,
because
if
Grant,
I
II
take
on
Grant
­

111
MR.
EHRMANW:
Everybody
else
does
you
might
as
[
z]
well,
too.

131
MS.
PROBST:
I
haven
t
picked
on
him
at
all.

(
41
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if
Grant
can
t
live
with
it
or
Dick
Stewart
s
not
[
s]
here,
you
know,
he
can
t
live
with
it,
it
is
a
waste
of
[
6]
lime.

I71
MR.
EHRMANN:
People
don
t
know
what
you
re
181
saying
until
you
write
down.
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s
all
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m
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91
saying.
We
can
do
it
in
a
way
that
doesn
t
have
­

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between
now
and
September
there
s
time
to
float
ideas
[
I
11
that
don
t
Irave
to
be
discussed
in
a
way
that
makes
them
[
12]
available
to
everybody.
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I
don
t
know
exactly
what
1113)
you
rc
talking
about.
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m
sure
other
people
don
t
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141
cithcr.
I
can
conjure
it
up,
but
we
need
to
­
the
[
15]
concept
of
living
with
the
whole
report
in
the
end
of
the
1161
day
WC
II
at
least
something
to
do
with
what
s
in
there
1171
you
II
really
like,
and
what
s
in
there
you
almost
can
t
[
jq
stand
as
a
package.
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right
now
is
slicing
and
I191
dicing
those
combinations
and
what
they
anticipate
is
)
[
zo]
going
to
be
in
there.
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all
I
m
saying
is
you
don
t
~
211
know
what
that
s
going
to
look
like
yet.
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if
we
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prophecies
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it
certainly
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be.
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again,
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m
not
saying
it
s
[
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community
have
run
out
of
time
and
resources.
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I
m
[
z]
going
to
Shangri­
la.
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October
everybody
s
going
to
[
z]
just
sort
of
worried
about,
you
know,
whether
we
could
131
stand
up
and
say
Kumbiya,
we
all
agree.
I
ve
been
doing
[
3]
even
­
the
first
question
is
does
the
committee
lind
]
4]
this
way
too
long
to
believe
that.
I
m
just
saying
we
[
4l
that
a
useful
suggestion
that
we
do
this.
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then
the
[
s]
need
to
see
what
the
ideas
are,
and
then
folks
can
react
[
5l
second
question
is
how
do
we
get
it
done?

[
s]
to
them.
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we
ll
decide
whether
they
can
be
in
there
161
MR.
EHRMANN:
I
don
t
think
people
even
have
a
[
7]
or
not,
but
I
don
t
want
to
think
you
and
others
think
171
good
enough
sense
of
what
you
re
suggesting
to
be
able
to
[
a]
that
s
­
I
don
t
want
to
get
to
December
and
have
people
[
8]
make
that
judgment
without
at
least
somebody
saying,

[
s]
saying,
you
know,
I
really
wish
we
would
have
taken
a
cut
[
s]
you
ve
based
this
on
a
lot
of
research,
but
here
s
some
[
IO]
at
being
more
specific
on
this
or
that.
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didn
t
we?
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ideas.

1111
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because
we
were
worried
we
couldn
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get
agreement
111
UNIDENTIFIED
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Can
I
just
get
[
lz]
on
it.
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we
never
tested
it.
We
never
saw
whether
121
clarification?
I
think
a
couple
of
times
you
said
you
ve
1131
there
s
a
way
to
lay
out
options
that
people
could
live
131
already
have.
And
the
only
thing
that
I
ve
seen
I
saw
a
1141
with.
I
don
t
know.
That
s
my
only
point.
And
I
think
141
very
brief
thing
and
it
started
out,
you
know,
I
m
trying
[
rq
it
s
going
to
be
true
on
some
other
issues.
So,
don
t
151
to
get
my
hands
around
something.

[
is]
pre­
guess
the
outcome.
As
you
say,
don
t
put
them
out
161
MS.
PROBST:
Itight.
That
s
all
done.
But
the
~
171
there
assuming
everybody
s
going
to
love
them,
because
171
only
person
that
made
comments
was
Sue.
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it
didn
t
[
ISI
they
won
t.
But
maybe
there
s
a
way
to
package
it
up
181
gather
any
­
it
didn
t
have
to
gather
moss
or
whatever
~
191
that
can
still
be
presented
to
the
Agency.
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the
phrase
is.

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MS.
PROBST:
Can
I
say
one
more
thing
even
101
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
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would
have
to
look
at
it
[
zi]
though
I
ve
been
(
inaudible)?
?
I]
again.
I
don
t
remember.

[
221
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yes.
121
MS.
PROBST:
It
was
very
superficial,
but
it
was
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453
111
MS.
PROBST:
I
think
the
other
thing,
and
1
say
(
I]
trying
to
sort
of
test
the
idea
of
should
WC
do
these
~
21
this
feeling
guilty
and
responsible
about
this,
but
these
[
z]
radical
optionsAnd
Sue
didn
t
like
them.

[
3]
are
very,
very
hard
issues.
And
I
can
only
speak
for
[
31
MS.
BRIGGUM:
But
at
least
I
said
(
inaudible).

[
4]
myself
even
having
suggested
these
issues
be
addressed,
141
MR.
LOEHR:
We
have
four
individuals
to
make
[
5]
they
take
a
lot
of
thought
and
a
lot
of
conversation.
[
s]
sure
get
a
chance
before
whoever
comes
in
with
the
pizza
~
61
And
we
haven
t
­
again,
speaking
for
myself
and
maybe
[
6]
comes
in.
And
let
me
turn
to
Mike'l'ilchin
right
now.

]
7]
Jane
­
I
haven
t
really
thought
about,
I
mean,
I
ve
[
71
MR.
TILCHIN:
On
the
issue
that
Kate
raised
and
[
al
thought
about
this
at
a
superficial
level.
I
frankly
[
a]
that
other
people
talked
about
to
some
extend,
CH2M
IIill
[
gl
haven
t
gone
off
for
even
a
week
and
said
gees
if
I
could
[
9]
and
other
companies,
too,
we
are
involved
in
Superfund
[
lo]
redesign
this
program,
you
know,
given
that
the
IIRS
is
lo]
cleanups
under
a
wide
range
of
contract
typcs.
And
if
it
(
111
different
now
than
it
used
to
be,
what
would
I
do?
Which
I
I]
was
beneficial
that
s
something
we
could
CCrPdinly
talk
[~
ZI
is
to
as
I
said
to
Ray
Loeht,
a
couple
­
if
I
had
my
121
about
at
the
next
meeting.
Several
pcoplc
said
they
re
(
131
choice
we
wouldn
t
have
this
(
inaudible)
committee
yet,
131
interested
in
getting
more
information
on
that.
We
vc
[
14]
we
would
have
commissioned
four
independent
papers
from
141
done
it
for
private
sector,
DOD,
DOE.
Working
on
some
[
is]
very
different
people.
So,
somebody
would
have
actually
is]
different
Superfund
contract
types
with
EPA.
also.
11
[
161
thought
about
it
and
put
some
meat
on
the
bones,
and
then
161
that
would
be
helpful,
we
d
be
glad
to
do
that.

[
171
a
committee
could
have
come
together
and
at
least
there
171
On
the
comment,
Jane,
that
you
made
that
Glen
~
181
would
have
been
some
straw
women
proposals
out
there
that
181
had
sort
of
supported
on
there
s
tons
of
waste.
Now,

(
191
we
can
criticize.
is]
obviously
it
would
not
be
beneficial
for
us
to
say
in
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MR.
EHRMANN:
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we
didn
t
and
here
we
arc.
zo]
this
report
Superfund
program
is
froth
with
waste,
you
VI
MR.
PROBST:
Right.
No,
I
mean,
is
just
tlrat
~
11
know,
period,
move
on
to
the
next
section.
Ilowcvcr,
it
(
221
some
of
us
­
some
us
especially
in
the
non­
prolit
~
21
would
productive
to
say,
here
arc
some
arcas
where
we
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456
[
II
think
the
program
is
not
­
maybe
we
have
use
nicer
words
[
II
was
my
fear
alI
along.
Is
that
when
we
got
the
fitst
[
21
­
not
as
efficient
as
it
needs
to
be,
and
be
specific
[
2]
shrff
down
on
paper
and
we
were
going
to
be
six
months
[
ZI]
about
it.
That
would
be
a
meaningful
contribution.
131
from
when
we
had
to
fmalize
it,
we
were
going
to
start
[
41
MS.
PROBST:
I
can
use
nice
words.
[
4]
having
the
really
hard
discussions.

151
MR.
TILCHIN:
I
know
you
can.
El
I
agree
IMike
s
got
some
good
suggestions.
These
161
MS.
PROBST:
Just
not
before
lunch.
[
S]
aren
t
easy
things,
like
contract
reform.
We
ve
been
171
MR.
TILCHIN:
One
of
the
areas
where
there
seems
(
71
talking
about
this
in
Federal
facilities
for
years.
l
[
a]
to
a
general
sentiment
is
wasteful
is
in
the
study
side
is]
01'
the
program.
Ancl
that
may
bc
true.
But
on
the
other
[
jo]
hand
­
and
again
I
might
pick
on
New
Bedford
as
an
[:
1!
example.
If
you
­
an
inadequate
study
is,
I
think,
at
[
jq
least
as
likely
to
lead
to
a
much
more
costly
remedy
as
~
131
it
is
to
save
you
money.
In
bet,
I
think
that
the
1141
return
on
the
investment
on
a
good
study
­
that
doesn
t
11
s]
mean
a
wasteful
or
ineffective
study.
Studies
need
to
be
[
16]
target­
f&
used
and
performed
very
well.
Shortchanging
~
171
the
study
site
I
think
is
not
a
good
way
for
the
program
[
ia]
to
save
money.
I
think
it
will
actually
cost
the
program
[
19]
niorc.

WI
Then
finally,
I
want
to
support
Ihe
moving
in
[
zi]
the
direction
that
Kate
suggested,
and
I
do
think
is
[
q
mean,
there
s
waste
in
Federal
facility
cleanup
dollars.

[
9]
Shocking
as
it
may
be.
Cleanups
­
how
clean
is
clean?

[
ia]
This
is
a
constant
debate
with
the
Feds.
AII
you
have
to
[
I
I]
do
is
look
at
the
issuance
of
policy
in
the
last
5
or
10
[
IZI
years
to
know.

[
I31
Though
we
talk
about
funding
and
in
the
charge
~
141
WC
rc
supposed
to
be
dealing
particularly
with
private
1151
sites,
this
is
a
statute
and
anything
that
we
do
is
going
[
16]
to
reach
out
and
touch
other
thingsAnd
so
I
just
want
[
I
7)
to
make
sure
that
as
we
move
forward,
if
you
don
t
[
ia]
pollulcr
pays
and
you
don
t
like
trust
fund,
what
do
you
[
ig]
like?
How
do
you
get
to
that
end
game?
Then
are
we
[
zo]
talkink
about
how
clean
is
clean?
Then
we
re
going
to
I
pi]
statutory
issues.

[
z]
really
f'undament,
a
fundamental
part
of
our
charge,
where
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455
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Those
are
the
things
I
ve
heard
in
the
last
45
­~
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457
[
j]
WC
were
asked
to
say
what
types
of
sites
should
Superfund
[
zj
really
concentrate
on.
That
s
a
very
hard
question
for
[
3]
us
LO
answer.
I
think
we
ought
to
give
it
a
shot.

[
41
MR.
LOEHR:
Aimce.

PI
MS.
HOUGHTON:
1
m
going
to
follow
Jane
s
lead
I
[
q
guess
and
maybe
throw
some
more
stuff
out
there.
First
;:
I
01'
all.
I
just
want
­
I
just
want
a
crack
after
all
[
B]
bombs.
First
of
all,
I
just
wanted
to
state
outright
[
g;
what
I
vc
heard
in
the
past
?
O
minutes
that
maybe
has
(
IO]
been
said,
but
kind
of
gloss
over.
I
ve
heard
[
j
I]
discussions
about
contract
reform.
I
ve
heard
how
clean
[
jz]
is
clcan.
And
I
vc
heard
polluter
pays,
Superfund
pays.

,131
,\
ncI
thcrc
is
one
other
in
therc.`
l'his
was
earlier
today.

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141
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l'hc
IIRS.

1151
`
l'hcsc
arc
all
fundamental
core
issues
01
[
16!
Supcrl'~~
nd.
And
not
addressing
the
whether
this
is
f.
71
written
down
ycl
or
not.
I
agree
with
you,
John.
I;
ntil
~
181
you
gel
something
on
paper,
the
conversations
arc
~
191
Iiappcning.
I3ut
once
you
gel
it
on
paper,
it
really
[
zo]
gcncrates
stulT.
And
1
think
that
s
why
we
rc
actually
[
2jj
hearing
lhc
issues
that
wc
rc
hraring
loday
and
wc
p2;
h;
tvcn
1
hcarcl
them
belorc.
And
I
just
want
lo
say
this
[
II
minutes.
And
I
think
they
re
really,
really
­

El
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
She
s
scared.

[
31
MS.
HOUGHTON:
Yeah.
They
re
at
the
heart
of
[
4]
the
issue.
And
then
Kate
referenced
the
folks
that
we
[
s]
heard
ycstcrday.
The
$
38
million
or
$
84
million
that
[
6]
goes
lo
ATSDR
that
many
people
think
is
a
totally
waste
VI
of
funds.
I
don
1
have
any
answers,
but
I
have
some
real
[
a]
concerns
about
what
I
ve
heard
today
and
how
we
move
on
~
[
g]
from
here.
Because
I
think
that
what
we
ve
heard
today
[
IO]
there
arc
core
issues
that
we
have
to
grapple
with.
I
[
I
11
want
us
to
deal
with.
I
m
just
afraid
we
re
not
going
to
[
iz]
have
the
time
to
deal
with
them.

[
I31
MR.
LOEHR:
(
Grant.

1
[
I41
MR.
COPE:
On
the
issue
of
money.
I
don
t
mean
[
is]
lo
sound
like
a
broken
record.
I
know
that
I
said
this
1161
ycslcrday.
&
it
increased
money
going
into
the
program
1171
was
part
01;
is
part
of,
was
always
part
of,
always
~
181
before
this
committee.
I
don
1
know
why
WC
re
having
to
[
lq
revisit
that
baseline
issue.

,
rw
I'or
me
it
gets
back
to
­
on
a
personal
level,

~
[?
I]
on
a
profcssionaI
IevcI,
whatever
­
for
mc
it
gets
back
~
21
to
a
core
reason
why
I
m
on
this
committee.
And
I
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458
[
i]
referenced
it
yesterday
to
a
medical
analogy.
First
do
[
2]
no
harm.

PI
What
we
re
talking
about
when
we
say,
well
gosh
[
4]
money
isn
t
really
the
answer,
would
you
look
at
these
[
s]
other
things.
First
of
all
the
baseline
assumption
might
[
s]
not
be
correct.
But
secondly
the
answers
that
some
of
us
[
fl
are
coming
up
with
could
lead
to
serious
harm.
We
re
[
a]
talking
about
weakening
the
polluter
pays
principal,
not
191
strengthening
it.
We
re
talking
about
weakening
cleanup
[
IO]
standards,
not
strengthening
them.
We
re
talking
about
[
ii]
doing
a
whole
range
of
things
that
legislatively
if
I
was
[
12]
still
up
on
the
Hill,
I
11
be
rallying
the
troops
around.

1131
That
for
me
is
just
not
something
that
I
m
going
to
[
14]
engage
in.

1151
On
the
issue
­
and,
Kate,
you
guys
did
actually
[
16]
do
a
pretty
good
job
I
though
of
laying
out
the
pros
and
~
171
cons
of
the
various
issues
with
respect
of
getting
more
[
la]
money
from
where
or
how.
But
I
guess
I
would
like
a
[
lg]
little
more
clarity.
And
I
know
we
re
not
getting
into
[
zo]
editing,
but
I
think
that
these
are
two
big
ones.
So,
at
[
ZI]
a
macro
level
the
unmet
needs
for
those
other
programs
~
221
are
really
importantAnd
when
you
take
a
look
at
what
Page
459
[
i]
the
Clean
Water
Act
has
got
to
deal
with,
KMDLs,
with
[
2]
trying
to
address
the
serious
non­
point
source
pollution
[
a]
in
this
country,
I
mean,
a
whole
range
of
issues
if
we
re
[
4]
looking
at
those
other
programs
to
give
us
money.
Some
[
5]
pretty
serious
unmet
needs
in
those
other
programs.

El
And
also
Congressional
earmarking.
I
don
t
r]
think
that
­
you
guys
kind
of
hand
wave
it.
And
I
know
(
81
that
it
s
really
difficult
to
quantifyAnd
it
s
almost
[
s]
impossible
to
predict.
It
s
a
serious,
serious
:
IO]
constraint
on
the
ability
of
other
programs
to
actually
1
I]
give
Superfund
money.

121
On
the
issue
of
insurance.
I
think
that
131
insurance
can
be
a
great
way
for
businesses
who
made
141
business
decisions
in
the
past
that
turned
out
to
be
bad
151
in
the
long
run
to
limit
their
risk.
Where
I
jump
off
161
the
boat
is
with
liability
releases.
And
I
saw
that
171
phrase
in
here.
A
business
decision
makes
­
if
181
businesses
are
going
to
make
decisions
that
result
in
IS]
liability
just
the
same
way
they
would
have
to
address
a
zo]
bank,
or
the
IRS,
their
business
partners,
they
shouldn
I
21)
just
assume
that
they
force
the
cost
on
to
taxpayers
to
zz]
pay
for
their
bad
decisions
period.
1
[

[

1
I
[.

[:

[:

6
(
31
have
a
good
quality
product
from
somebody
who
has
just
a
[
4]
tremendous
history
of
producing
good
work
in
this
arca,

;

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458
­
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461
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42)
Page
460
111
It
was
interesting
that
you
guys
wanted
[
2]
retroactive
application
of
some
of
the
issues
that
you
[
3]
had
discussed.
I
was
hoping
to
get
that
more
flushed
[
4]
out.

[
51
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
I
think
you
got
to
talk
to
[
s]
Lynn
Dean
just
so
you
know.

171
MR.
COPE:
Okay.
Just
so
long
as
somebody
is
[
a]
taking
a
note,
because
1
think
it
was
said
in
a
fairly
[
9]
overarching
way
and
that
could
be
just
a
hornet
s
nest.

'
01
This
is
maybe
editorial,
so
maybe
I
II
II]
definitely
write
this
down.
But
too,
I
d
like
to
flag
it
121
because
I
ve
flagged
it
numerous
times
in
the
past,
but
131
it
keeps
on
coming
up.
We
re
talking
about
transferring
141
stuff
to
WRDA,
particularly
with
Corps.
They
ve
got
a
151
horrendous
history
of
doing
cleanups.
So,
any
report
161
certainly
that
my
name
would
be
put
on,
which
lists
them
171
as
something
that
we
should
be
promoting
in
doing
more
181
work
rather
than
less,
I
have
serious
qualms
about.

191
With
respect
to
the
material
that
we
use
when
?
o]
looking
at
the
financing
issue,
Kate
s
book
was
~
11
congressionally
requested
study.
It
is
the
most
!
2]
comprehensive
information
that
we
have
on
it.
It
is
the
Page
461
[
I]
best
data.
We
don
t
generate
data
really
on
this
[
2]
committee.
We
use
other
people
s
data.
And
where
we
151
we
should
USC
it.

k31
On
the
issue
of
Browntields.
It
s
been
brought
[
7]
up
in
the
past.
People
saying
well
if
we
could
just
[
a]
transfer
this
money
to
Brownfields,
ct
cetera.
For
me
[
s]
the
issue
with
Brownlields
to
the
extent
that
I
was
IO]
involved
in
the
drafting
of
the
legislation,
I
think
this
I]
point
is
critical.
Brownfields
arc
excluded
­

121
Brownfields
funding
is
excluded
from
NPI.
sites
for
a
131
particular
reason.
They
re
strict,
joint,
(
inaudible)

141
liability
at
Superfund
sites.
We
rc
talking
about
51
taxpayers
paying.
Money
comes
directly
from
the
gcncral
61
fund
into
the
Brownfields
program.
When
you
re
talking
71
about
looking
at
other
pots
of
money,
this
is
the
issue
a]
that
s
raised
consistently,
and
Brownficlds
is
just
one
91
example.
I
guess
one
of
the
reason
why
it
surprises
mc
!
o]
so
much
that
this
committee
continues
to
briog
it
up,
is
!
i]
because
there
s
a
specific
exclusion
writlcn
into
the
121
law.
We
re
supposed
lo
run
away
from,
not
embrace
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legislative
changes.
We
re
not
supposed
to
just
[
q
entertain
them
willy­
nilly
saying
we
want
to
do
this.

!
31
It
s
if
all
else
fails,
only
then.

L41
And
maybe
to
kind
of
come
back
where
1
started.

[
s]
The
issue
of
looking
for
other
money,
and
other
pots,
and
[
sl
other
programs.
Given
all
the
other
issues
1
ve
already
[
rl
raised
it
crystahzes
for
me
best
this
thought.
If
we
[
a]
starve
the
Super­
fund
program
of
money,
we
know
that
~
91
there
s
unmet
needs
out
there
­
and
consistent
what
1
[
ia]
said
yesterday,
we
re
not
talking
about
cleaning
up
alI
[>
I]
the
sites
right
now.
We
re
talking
about
a
small
amount
[
iz]
of
unmet
need
of
an
annual
basis
that
s
going
to
grow
and
~
131
increase
across
time.
But
if
WC
nip
it
in
the
bud
now.

~
141
it
s
not
as
big
as
it
will
be
in
10
years.
So,
when
[
is]
we
rc
talking
about
how
much
money
we
might
want
to
~
161
rcqucst
either
in
authorization
or
appropriations,
Kate
s
~
171
book
does
provide
one
good
comprehensive
excellent
1181
example
where
she
s
projected
out
just
over
the
next
rig]
dccadc.
But
we
rc
not
talking
about
a
huge
amount
of
[
zo]
money
if
WC
deal
with
the
problem
now
rather
letting
it
[
zi]
linger
WI
MR.
LOEHR:
1
observe
that
lunch
is
here.
We
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ill
MS.
CELLARIUS:
Yes,
because
I
know
that,
you
[
z]
know,
they
both
spend
most
of
their
money
on
basic
~
31
research
and
not
cleanup.
1
recall
at
Bunker
Hill
site
141
the
citizens
were
very
upset
because
they
were
doing
~
51
research
projects
there
with
the
women
who
had
long
time
[
q
lead
contamination.
And
they
said
this
is
such
a
171
wonderful
opportunity,
never
in
history
have
we
been
able
[
a]
to
study
a
group
of
women
like
this
because
of
the
­

[
g]
they
were
looking
at
how
much
lead
is
released
to
fetuses
[
IO]
when
these
woman
are
pregnantAnd
yet
at
the
time
there
]
I
11
was
not
money
put
into
things
the
community
needed
Iike
[
IZ]
getting
their
homes
cleaned.
That
site
s
been
there
for
(
131
20
years
and
people
s
houses
stiIl
have
a
lot
of
lead
in
1141
them.
And
1
don
t
really
understand
why
they
clean
up
1151
the
yard
but
not
the
house
where
the
children
play
on
the
Iis]
floor.

['
71
1
don
t
know
whether
this
is
anything
­
we
can
[
ia]
do
anything
about
it,
but
1
11
do
a
little
more
research
1191
and
put
something
into
my
comments.
And
whether
it
could
120~
be
relevant,
because
this
is
a
lot
of
money
for
basic
;
1211
research
that
doesn
t
really
directly
go
to
cleaning
[
zz]
things
up.
though
it
increases
the
body
of
scientific
Page
463
Page
465
[
II
have
four
people
who
have
asked
li)
r
time
to
comment.
We
[
i]
kn0wtedge.
A
lot
of
the
ATSDR
money
I
know
is
contracted
121
hope
that
we
could
tackle
those
four
and
then
have
lunch,
[
n]
out
to
the
states
and
they
do
assist
citizens
with
a
[
q
and
then
come
back
at
about
j0
minutes
if
it
s
alright
131
little
more
information
about
the
sites.
But
I
often
~
41
with
you
No
body
s
getting
up,
so
let
s
at
least
go
to
141
found
them
duplicating
what
the
EPA
office
was
doing.
(
51
l>
oris
and
Jim,
Gary,
and
Bill
Adams.
~
[
s]
`
l`
hat
s
kind
of
one
of
the
more
unusual
ideas,
but
it
161
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
Would
you
remind
the
(
61
might
have
something
we
can
say
in
our
report,
17)
speakers
that
the
pizzas
getting
a
little
colder.
I71
MR.
LOEHR:
Jim
Derouin.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
You
did.
PI
MR.
DEROUIN:
1
wanted
to
endorse
Kate
s
idea,
PI
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
Oh,
1
guess
1
did.
191
seconded
by
Mike
to
stick
our
big
picture
items
out
I'
01
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
But
you
didn
tat
the
[
lo]
there.
1
don
t
think
it
s
too
late
to
look
at
them.
1
(
1
il
microphone.
!
11]
think
when
we
come
to
the
mega
site
issue,
we
re
a
little
114
MR.
LOEHR:
Doris.
[
IZ]
weak
on
that.
Big
chunks
of
money
are
disproportionately
[
I31
MS.
CELLARIUS:
1
cl
like
to
ask
about
the
funds
B[
13~
spent
or
at
Icast
in
the
future
potentially
could
be
[
14j
th:
li
go
to
A'I`
Sl)
I<
and
NIEIIS.`
l'hey
tota]
about
$
1
.8
I
.'
(
141
spent
dcpcnding
on
what
direction
EPA
doesAnd
1
think
j15]
million.
And
does
this
come
from
the
­
dots
Congress
[
is]
it
is
not
too
late
to
take
look,
albeit
we
would
have
to
[
ifi]
set
the
levels
of
appropriation?
[
is]
do
it
on
an
expedited
basis.
I'
71
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Yes.
they
do.
y71
And
then
Kate
or
Grant
­
who
was
it
that
[
lK
MS.
CELLARIUS:
So,
there
can
be
no
shifting
of
[
re]
requested
­
1
have
forgotten
­
your
study,

:
I91
liltltk:'
rIgI
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Congress.
Appropriation
s
WI
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
No.
those
would
be
[
zo]
committee.
p7]
clctlicatcd
funds
to
those
two
agencies
oul
ol
the
1221
Srlpcrlllncl
appropriation.

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It
s
a
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[
II
MR.
DEROUIN:
But
who
in
Congress?

PI
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
It
was
in
the
2000
[
3]
appropriations.

[
41
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Appropriation
s
committee.

PI
MR.
DEROUIN:
So,
it
was
in
a
bill.

[
sl
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
It
was
in
a
conference
[;
1
report
to
the
FY
2002
EPA
appropriation
s
budget.

[
al
MR.
DEROUIN:
Okay.
My
point
is
this,
and
then
[
g]
I
will
drop
it.
John,
I
think
and
others,
remember
[
i
o]
things
a
little
bit
differently
out
of
Phoenix.
And
I
[
i
I]
think
we
feel
that
is
kind
of
the
camel
s
nose
under
the
[
iz]
tent
to
all
of
a
sudden
at
this
state
to
be
devoting
a
IV]
lot
of
effort
to
something
that
we
view
as
being
[
14]
tangential.
I
don
t
mean
to
dispute
the
report,
but
it
~
151
is
out
there.
It
s
public.
It
s
general
knowledge.

[
is]
It
s
been
published,
and
Congress
has
it
available.
And
[
17]
for
us
at
this
stage
to
go
back
and
dig
into
it
with
[
la]
respect
to
generalized
conclusions.
If
EPA
had
wanted
to
[
19]
form
a
committee
that
came
back
to
it
and
said
you
need
[
zo]
more
money,
they
could
have
found
a
committee
and
we
(
211
would
have
dealt
with
that
issue.
But
I
just
think
it
s
~
221
the
wrong
thing
to
get
into
at
this
point.

Page
467
['

['
[
i]
issue.
But
that
show
it
ended
up
taking
on
the
scope
[
2]
that
it
did
at
that
point
in
time.

(
31
MR.
LOEHR:
Gary.

L41
MR.
KING:
On
pages
44
through
45
there
was
a
[
5]
list
of
8
proposed
recommendations.
Is
it
okay
to
161
comment
on
those?

VI
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
That
would
be
too
[
a]
straightforward
actually.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
It
would
be
refreshing
actually.

101
MR.
KING:
I
m
just
going
to
go
down
the
ones
I
I]
that
I
support
and
one
I
don
t
support.
Number
one,
I
121
support
that,
I
think
that
s
really
low
cost.
Could
131
generate
some
good
information
that
might
successful
for
141
the
future.
Number
two.
I
don
t
support
that.
I
think
151
that
s
too
expense,
al1
the
study
elements.
Number
161
three.
I
don
t
support
that
one.
1
think
that
s
­
iL
s
171
too
expensive
and
I
don
t
think
it
s
going
to
generate
181
very
much
information.
Number
four
might
be
useful,
but
191
that
s
a
Brownfields
issue.
I
don
1
think
funding
for
201
that
kind
of
thing
should
come
out
of
Superfund.
You
can
211
transfer
that
one
to
Linda
Garzensky
(
phonetic).
Number
221
five,
I
don
t
support
that.
I
think
thal
s
just
taken
a
[`
I
MR.
EHRMANN:
Since
you
brought
it
up,
I
want
to
[
2]
separate
the
KFS
references
from
what
was
that
Workgroup
(
31
asked
to
do
and
why.
But
on
the
second
question
­
I
m
[
4]
not
going
to
go
back
and
check
the
tapes
here.
You
II
IS]
recall
perhaps
that
Wilma
made
a
proposition
near
the
end
[
s]
of
the
Phoenix
meeting
about
whether
the
subcommittee
was
m
prepared
to
support
language
that
said
the
program
needs
[
a]
at
least
level
funding
and
maybe
more,
so
I
can
t
[
g]
remember
the
exact
wording.
And
the
sense
of
the
[
IO]
subcommittee
at
that
point
was,
no
we
don
t
have
a
[
I
11
consensus
on
that.
But
that
would
be
a
good
issue
for
[
IZ]
this
group
that
Lynn
Dean
that
was
going
to
take
on
~
131
funding
to
start
exploring
the
overall
funding
issue
in
~
141
response
of
that
proposaLThat
s
what
it
came
from.

[
ISI
MR.
DEROUIN:
Okay.
Well,
that
was
the
last
~
161
slide
that
inside
EPA
(
inaudible)
prior
to
the
meeting,

~
171
even
though
Wilma
was
unaware
of
fact
that
she
become
[
le]
famous
inside
EPA
for
having
the
­
the
subcommittee
[
Is]
having
made
that
recommendation.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Whatever
it
is,
it
is.
It
s
1211
there,
and
you
re
right.
The
point
is
to
look
forward
[
z]
and
decide
how
the
subcommittee
wants
to
deal
with
the
Page
466
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469
[
II
5
percent
thing
out
of
everything.
That
doesn
t
make
[
2]
sense
to
me.
Number
six.
I
don
t
know
enough
about
[
3]
those
contract
reform
initiatives
lo
form
a
comment
on
[
4]
that.
So,
I
11
pass
on
that
enc.
Number
seven.
I
think
[
5]
that
s
a
good
idea,
and
I
would
support
that.
hnd
number
161
eight.
I
think
that
s
a
good
idea,
and
I
support
thal
171
one
as
well.

F31
MR.
EHRMANN:
`
I'hanks.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
BillAdams.

'
01
MR.
ADAMS:
Since
I
m
standing
between
pizza
and
[
I
11
the
break,
I
11
be
quick
here.
Just
a
sort
of
an
[
12]
overview
and
reflection
of
this
morning.
I
think
we
ve
~
[
13]
had
a
few
hard
discussions
that
arc
good
and
we
rc
1141
getting
down
to
the
substance
of
it.
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I
did
feel
like
~
151
in
the
last
while
we
vc
retrenched
a
little
and
thcrc
5
a
[
16]
bunch
of
digging
in
on
earlier
positions
that
s
(
171
particularly
helpful.
And
I
just
want
to
comment
on
a
[
16]
couple.

[
191
I
thought
yesterday
we
were
making
some
pretty
[
zo]
good
progress
on
some
subjects.
I
heard
things
[
21]
differendy
today.
I
didn
t
hear
people
arguing
t`
or
the
[
22]
polluter
pays
principal
should
disappear.
I
think
that
s
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i]
too
strongly
stated.
I
didn
t
hear
anybody
arguing
that
[
z]
the
standard
should
be
weakened.
I
think
what
we
re
131
looking
for
are
ways
in
which
we
­
as
Mel
said
keep
the
(
41
tools
in
the
tool
box.
So,
I
m
certainly
not
going
to
151
support
weaker
standards
or
that
the
polluter
principal
[
6]
goes
away.

[
71
I
also
sort
of
think
[
hat
we
ve
put
a
little
too
[
81
much
emphasizes
on
the
need
for
consensus
all
the
time.

191
In
fact,
I
fully
supporl
getting
some
issues
on
the
table
[
lo]
as
Katr
would
say,
and
get
them
discussed
whether
we
have
(
111
COIISC~
SLIS
or
not,
because
there
s
good
points
that
the
[
12]
Agency
should
have
a
look
at.
And
we
don
t
have
to
have
~
131
a
consensus
on
everything.
It
s
perfectly
in
my
view
to
(
141
have
deciding
views.

1151
MR.
EHRMANN:
Just
to
comment
on
your
lirst
(
161
point.
I
don
t
think
­
it
s
not
unusual
in
my
1171
cxpcrience
in
this
kind
of
process
when
you
get
into
some
[
I&
these
kind
of
core
issues
­
in
fact,
this
group
has
been
[
I91
relatively
good
compared
lo
a
lot
of
groups
that
I
ve
[
zo]
workctl
with
in
terms
of
piaying
lapes.`
I'here
are
certain
121)
themes
that
come
back,
but
actually
I
think
folks
have
[
zz]
done
a
pretty
good
job
of
staying
away
from
kind
of
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Page
472
[
T]
which
there
probably
is
enough
of,
you
need
to
pay
us
121
five
bucks.
For
members
of
the
subcommittee,
the
lunch
;
[
ZI]
is
on
us.
Members
of
the
audience
­
subcommittee
and
[
4]
the
panelists
the
lunch
is
us.
For
the
panelists
lunch
[
s]
this
afternoon
is
on.
Others
please
give
Holly
$
5
for
[
6]
your
pizza.

171
MR.
LOEHR:
Before
everybody
disappears,
let
me
[
a]
ask
­

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Hold
on
everybody.

[`
Ol
MR.
LOEHR:
Let
me
ask
that
you
tty
to
ftish
[
I
r]
off
lunch
so
we
can
get
back
around
1
:
00,
so
we
can
[
12]
continue
to
good
discussion
we
ve
got.

[
I31
(
Lunch
recess.)

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END
OFTAPE)

[
I
51
MR.
LOEHR:
­
so
that
we
will
have
a
break
~
161
before
our
panel
and
the
subsequent
discussion
that
s
to
[
17]
be
stqted
at
about
3:
00,
or
at
300.
Prior
then
to
that
[
ia]
partiqular
break,
we
11
have
now
and
between
2:
45
to
[
19]
cover/
these
four
topics
which
we
ve
identified
as
1
[
zo]
priorilization,
and
mega
sites,
and
measuring
progress,

[
ZI]
and
I
committee.
All
very
easy
things
to
go
[
22]
thro+
very
quickly.

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Page
473
[
j]
digging
every
issue
back
to
some
fimdamentai
principal
[
iI
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`
to
initiate
that
particular
discussion,
let
~
21
and
then
reminding
everybody
what
their
favorite
[
z]
mc
turn
it
back
over
to
John.
!
31
tilndamen~
al
principal
is,
which
I
can
assure
you
does
(
31
MR.
EHRMANN:
`
This
section,
prioritization
of
~
41
happen
quite
often,
and
you
ve
all
seen
it.
So,
I
think
[
4]
sites
for
funding
once
they
are
on
the
NPL
­
Jim
(
51
somctimcs
when
you
get
inlo
core
issues
Iikc
money,
and
1
[
s]
indicated
probably
should
be
kind
post­
ROD.
Starts
on
(
61
stantl;
trds,
and
those
kinds
of
things,
it
triggers
peoples
[
6]
page
46'
I'he
recommendations
are
described
on
47
and
[
T]
kind
of
worse
cast
concernsAnd
I
think
while
it
s
171
into
&
And,
again,
I
think
it
would
be
usually
both
to
~
81
important
to
reminder
everybody
of
those,
as
I
think
[
al
get
reactions
to
the
content
of
this
particular
section,
~
91
YOLI
re
suggesting.
it
s
important
to
stay
to
the
focus
of
[
91
but
also
to
think
collectively
about
how
this
relates
to
[
IO]
what
we
rc
trying
to
do
here.
So,
I
think
lhat
s
just
[
IO]
the
discussion
we
had
earlier
relative
Lo
prioritization
[
I,!
important
for
everybody
to
bear
in
mind.
Dolores,
did
[
I
11
on
Ihe
RISF
earlier
decision
making
as
to
the
NPL,
et
j121
you
have
comment?
[~
ZI
cetera.`
I'hink
about
the
prioritization
piece
in
a
1131
MS.
HERRERA:
1
m
just
glad
thal
Warren
a,
q­
xs
(
131
unilicd
manner.

~
141
with
mc
that
polluters
should
pay.
1141
So,
entertain
any
comments
either
on
this
or
[
IS,
MR.
LOEHR:
I
ve
got
one
lunch
annormccment.

[`
61
MR.
HERRERA:
I
mean
William.
I
m
sorry,

11
71
W~
llianl.

1'
8:
MR.
LOEHR:
Go
ahead.

ji9]
MR.
EHRMANN:
We
rc
going
to
USC
the
consumer
1..
,[
15]
kmd
ol
how
you
see
these
various
prioritization
issues
I
(
161
connrctitq
to
each
other
would
be
helpful.
I
know
Mike
)
~
171
`
l`
ilchin
and
some
others
did
a
fair
amount
of
work
on
this
(
181
scclion,
so
they
might
want
to
chime
in
with
some
more
[
I91
background
if
there
s
any
particular
auestions.
[
ZOO
pays
principal
here
in
part.`
l`
he
subcommittee
members
[
ZO]
(:
ommcnts?

121'
~
IIC
Ilinch
is
on
~
1s
courtesy
of
ollr
gcncrosity.
13111
the
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UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
Okay,
next
topic.
iZ]
folks
in
the
audicncc.
if
you
want
:
a
piccc
of
pizza,
[=
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MR.
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Alright
next
section.
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UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Way
to
go,
John.

[
31
MR.
EHRMANN:
I
m
telling
you.

I41
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
Mike,
congratulations.
The
~
51
nice
guy
award.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Mike,
is
there
anything
you
want
m
to
say
by
way
of
context
that
might
­.
Oh,
Grant
s
got
[
a]
his
card
up.
There
we
go.
Grant.

[
91
MR.
COPE:
Just
two
things,
well,
three
things.

[
IO]
One
is,
I
didn
t
see
any
reference
to
the
environment
in
[
III
any
type
of
prioritization,
which
is
inconsistent
with
[
12]
the
statutory
language.
So,
it
should
really
be
in
[
IZI
there.
I
wasn
t
certain
­
maybe
it
would
take
a
more
of
[
14]
a
thorough
reading,
but
where
potential
threats
are
1151
relative
to
current
for
both
environmental
as
well
as
1161
public
health.

1'
71
And
on
page
49
where
it
says
program
management
[
ia]
consideration
serves
as
an
important
balancing
criteria
[
I91
The
frost
bullet
is
return
of
sites
to
productive
use.

[
20]
And
I
would
object
to
that
being
in
there.
Superfund
s
[
211
about
cleaning
up
sites.
It
s
about
protecting
public
~
221
health
and
cleaning
up
ecosystems.
It
s
not
about
Page
475
[
II
redevelopment.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Jason.

PI
MR.
WHITE:
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
little
~
41
statement
in
there,
in
the
second
paragraph
that
s
151
unlined
and
started
with
the
priority.
When
it
evaluate
[
s]
health
and
risk
expenditures,
it
talks
about
subsystems.

m
I
was
wondering
if
we
could
also
add
in
addition
to
(
81
subsystems,
maybe
trial
life
ways
or
trial
traditional
191
lifestyles.

[
lOI
MR.
EHRMANN:
You
got
the
spot
there,
Mike?

It
11
MR.
TILCHIN:
Yep.

[
I21
MR.
LOEHR:
Sue.

[
I31
MS.
BRIGGUM:
It
must
be
the
pizza,
but
I
have
~
141
to
agree
with
Grant.
I
agree
with
him.

[
I51
MR.
EHRMANN:
We
got
you
and
Jane.
If
we
get
,161
one
more,
we
ll
have
theTrifecta
here.

[
I71
MS.
BRIGGUM:
I
agree
that
health
and
the
1181
environment
have
to
paramount.
And
so
I
think
that
~
191
rather
than
saying
it
should
be
used,
it
should
bc
used
~
201
with
extreme
caution.
I
m
also
a
little
­

WI
MR.
EHRMANN:
What
page
are
you
on?

1221
MS.
BRIGGUM:
This
is
the
same
point
with
tcgard
I[

[:

[:

I
[
i]
the
memo
and
they
all
go
into
a
room
and
out
comes
the
~
21
l&
And
a
list
that
s
even
public.

[
31
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Subject
to
I;
OIA,
that
'
41
would
be
good
start.

51
MR.
LOEHR:
Your
turn,
Vicky.

61
MS.
PETERS:
Okay.
I
m
on
page
49,
too.
And
[
Page
476
[
iI
to
return
sites
­

(
21
MR.
EHRMANN:
Okay.

[
31
MS.
BRIGGUM:
­
fostering
developmenl
of
[
4]
cleanup
technology
and
leveraging
cleanup
funding
from
[
5]
other
sources.
I
think
we
should
talk
about
that
[
6]
someplace
else.
I
m
very
nervous
about
allocations
[
7]
otherwise
health­
based
on
technology
development,
and
I
[
a]
wonder
if
environmental
justice
is
the
correctly
as
[
g]
mentioned
here
as
to
what
(
inaudible).
I
think
that
mode
lo]
is
a
vital
part
protecting
health
and
the
environment
and
ii]
put
it
down
here
(
inaudible).
I
hear
people
want
to
mdkc
121
sure
that
that
priority
exists.

131
MR.
LOEHR:
Ed.

141
MR.
PUTNAM:
Hi.
1
want
to
reiterate
that
EPA
151
has
deviated
from
the
Law
s
memo.
So,
we
may
or
may
not
161
want
to
continue
to
reference
it
as
a
standard.
And
171
additionally,
we
keep
saying
a
transparent
process,
but
I
181
haven
t
quite
seen
the
detail
on
what
we
mean
by
that.

191
So,
I
think
I
would
just
encourage
everyone
to
kind
of
201
summit
their
comments
on
what
they
mean,
what
each
of
us
211
think
we
mean
when
we
say
transparent.
Currently
the
1lPA
!
2]
prioritization
system
is
entirely
secrctive.
They
have
Page
477
~
71
there
s
a
sentence
up
here.
It
s
the
second
full
~
[
a]
paragraph
about
deleting
separable
and
discrete
elements
[
g]
of
an
overall
site.
And
I
don
t
really
have
a
problem
[
IO]
with
that.
I
m
surprised
Grant
let
it
go.
because
I
know
[
I
I]
he
s
okay
­
he
s
back.

Ii21
But
I
d
just
like
to
put
in
a
plug
here.
I
made
1131
an
off­
the­
cuff
comment
earlier
about
how
I
think
EPA
is
(
141
really
kind
of
distorting
the
program,
tried
desperately
[
15]
to
get
beans.
And
one
example
of
that
I
belicvc
is
this
1161
practice
that
they
have
now
undertaken
lo
delete
mcdiurn
(
171
Clearly,
when
Congress
set
up
this
program
and
the
NCI'

[
ia]
was
put
in
place,
people
were
talking
about
geographical
[?
g]
areas.
A
site
was
on,
a
site
was
off:
And
to
me
to
[
zo]
delete
soils
when
the
ground
water,
or
the
surlgcc
water
[
zi]
running
through
is
still
conlaminatcd,
it
just
crcales
~
221
massive
confusion,
and
distrust,
and
lack
OC
credibility.

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111
And
so
I
would
be
very
happy
if
we
made
it
clear
[
z]
in
hcrc
when
we
re
talking
about
deleting
separable
and
(
31
discrete
elements.
What
WC
cc
talking
about
is
a
141
situation
where
perhaps
there
s
a
clean
site,
or
a
site
s
[
s]
that
s
been
cleaned.
Let
s
get
it
off
the
list
if
that
[
6]
really
is
causing
problems
in
getting
funding,
or
[
7]
whatever.
If
it
provides
additional
comfort
level
to
the
(
81
community
Grant
will
tell
you
all
the
problems
with
[
s]
potentially
doing
that,
but
if
can
be
done
IO]
responsibility,
I
m
all
for
that.

"
I
A
couple
of
other
things
down
on
the
bottom
with
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[
II
And
there
ate
tons
of
people
visiting
them
all
the
time.

121
But
then
you
work
your
way
through
that,
you
get
your
[
3]
way.
And
then
it
acknowledged
and
lists
a
bunch
of
the
(
41
fudge
factors.
Like
how
has
the
site?
Do
we
have
enough
151
data?
And
how
long
is
it
going
to
take
to
get
enough
[
so
data
to
make
the
decisions?
And
that
goes
in
to.
But
[
7]
it
s
all
transparent
and
there
are
feedback
loops
back
in
[
a]
that
case
I
think
it
s
mostly
states.
But
probably
!
9]
communities
and
Federal
register­
type
stuff.
And
it
s
an
01
ongoing
process.

11
This
isn
t
as
concrete
as
some
of
the
stuff
we
11
11
(
121
the
considerations.
I
think
in
previous
drafts
there
was
~
131
some
emphasis
on
enforcement
and
credibility
of
the
~
14)
program
being
something
to
be
taken
into
consideration,

[
js]
and
I
didn
t
know
if
that
was
a
conscious
decision.
I
[
IZI
saw
from
the
group
before.
And
so
I
m
not
clear
if
this
1131
is
it,
or
if
this
is
kind
of
this
is
where
we
are
now
and
~
141
we
re
going
to
continue
to
refine
it
with
guidance
From
[
is1
the
subcommittee.
I
d
like
to
hear
what
the
thinking
is
)
[
IsI
on
that.
~
161
don
t
feel
that
strongly
about
it,
but
I
d
be
curious
to
(
171
hear
ii'
there
was
some
discussion
and
that
was
[
I71
MR.
LOEHR:
Any
direct
response?
Mike?
Not
(
181
consciously
dropped
form
this
and
why.
Personally,
I
ve
[~
a]
that
it
s
needed.
[
ISI
always
wondered
why
we
have
to
spend
money
to
have
a
[
19
MR.
TILCHIN:
I
think
there
is
some
­
there
ate
[
zo]
credible
threat
when
we
vc
got
106
orders.
But
again,
[
201
some
things
that
were
in
the
key
fmdings.
If
that
[
Z~
J
I
m
just
curious
about
that.
1211
actually
got
split
out
of
this.
Specifically
talking
IW
I
think
thought
that
­
you
know,
I
agree
1221
about
the
acting
in
ways
that
keep
the
enforcement
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[
iI
obviously
human.
health
and
the
environment
that
s
got
to
121
bc
on
top.
But
I
would
realIy
like
a
special
emphasize
(
31
for
these
sites
that
have
lingered
on
the
NPL
for
going
[
n]
on
20.
We
rc
passed
teenage.
We
re
getting
past
teenager
[
jj
years
And
it
s
not
clear
fbr
me
whether
you
rc
really
161
proposing
a
waiting­
type
systems,
or
if
it
s
all
going
to
~
71
bc
very
qualitative.
But
I
think
that
those
sites
should
[
a]
get
a
special
nod.
I
don
t
know
how
to
do
this.
In
191
consldcring
Sue
s
comment
about
kind
of
diluting
these
[
IO]
with
all
of
these
other
considerations,
but
Kate
and
Lynn
[
I
I]
Dean
s
piccc
talked
about,
what
was
it?
Minimum
[
i3;
guaranlec,
indcfinitc
something
or
other.
Okay,
that
was
1131
Lynn
I)
can.
But
the
idea
was
tlxlt
maybe
YOU
could
get
~
141
more'
hng
Ibr
your
buck
if
you
had
;
I
certain
amount
of
1151
work
that
you
could
guarantee
to
a
contractor.
And
it
[
rs]
seems
to
bc
that
would
be
an
instance
were
perhaps
WC
(
171
would
lirdgc
;
I
little
bit
on
a
very
strict
risk
base
if
we
[
ial
could
gel
a
lot
mot­
c
done
for
less
money,
because
it
s
in
[
is]
the
same
arca.`
lhat
kind
of
thing.

poj
What
I
liked
about
the
I)
OI>
prioritization
is
[
2ij
that
dclicicntly
identified
the
lop
prioritics.
You
~?
j
know.
arc
thcrc
uncxplodcd
bombs
right
at
the
surface?
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sttong.
That
was
I
think
[
z]
brought
out
very
clearly
in
the
key
findings.
But
those
131
are
in
another
section
now.
When
it
was
written
they
~
41
were
all
of
a
piece.
As
this
was
organized
that
got
~
5)
taken
out.
But
I
think
it
needs
to
be
in
this
section
as
[
s]
well.

[
71
I
agree
that
there
ate
areas
where
we
need
to
be
[
SJ
mote
concrete
and
definitive.
1
don
t
object
to
that
[
g]
comment
at
alLAs
we
prepared
this,
we
wete
balancing
a
(
101
combination
of
length
of
the
text.
This
is
a
personal
11
t]
opinion
and
I
would
ask
­
Jim
and
Wilma
and
I
were
the
[
iz]
team
preparing
this.
I
don
t
think
we
should
be
terribly
[
ISI
prcscriptivc
when
it
comes
to
balancing
factors,
because
`
1141
I
don
t
­
two
statements.
One
is,
I
think
it
takes
a
1151
lot
of
site­
specitic
knowledge.
How
you
weight
factor
)
[
is]
such
:
I
(
inaudible)
is
going
to
be
quite
site
specific,

/
[
17]
and
it
takes
a
lot
of
knowledge
about
that
site.
I
m
not
[
is]
confident
that
we
could
tell
EPA
to
actuaIly
weight
j
[
IS]
things
and
balancing
in
that
balancing
process
that
would
[
2c]
improve
their
decision
making
and
priority
setting.
We
/
[
zj]
c;
in
irlcntify
the
f`:
tctors
that
we
think
ate
important.
We
[
zz]
have
ordered
them
to
some
degree,
but
when
push
comes
to
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[
I]
shove
and
are
you
going
­
you
ve
got
10
sites
that
are
p]
going
to
work
with
8,
and
8
and
9
are
really
a
close
131
call.
I
think
that
really
­
I
hope
people
don
t
start
[
4]
throwing
stones.
But
I
really
think
that
s
an
expert
[
5]
judgment
kind
of
calLThat
we
couldn
t
really
lay
out
a
(
61
process
that
would
be
very
helpful
at
that
final
level
of
[
7]
distinction.

WI
I
don
t
know
if
Jim
or
Wilma
want
to
comment
on
is]
that
also.

IlO1
MS.
SUBRA:
This
piece
was
prepared
in
response
11
I]
to
a
request
by
a
response
by
Larry
Starfield
in
the
D.
C.

[
12]
meeting.
And
yesterday
Barry
said
that
he
agreed
with
it
[
13l
with
a
few
minor
changes.
And
hopefully
we
will
be
l14l
receiving
those
so
it
can
bc
included.
But
I
d
like
to
[
15]
get
some
input
from
Larry
on
what
he
thinks
about
whether
[
IS]
it
s
perspective
enough
or
not
enoughAnd
is
it
usable
~
171
­
is
it
the
kind
of
thing
you
were
looking
for?

1181
MR.
STARFIELD:
I
think
it
has
to
be
­
I
think
[
ia]
Mike
is
exactly
right.
It
has
to
be
flexible.
I
m
very
~
20)
much
­
having
spent
10
years
in
Washington
and
then
7
l21]
years
in
the
region.
It
s
much
harder
than
I
though
it
l22]
was
when
I
was
in
Washington
to
make
these
decisions
and
Page
483
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485
[
I]
I
think
they
re
much
site
specificAnd
the
balancing
is
121
very
difficult
to
impose
in
the
abstract.

[
31
So,
I
think
the
fact
that
you
haven
t
tried
to
141
say
you
have
to
do
it
in
a
sort
of
a
military
what
is
l5l
right.
The
thing
that
struck
me
as
I
was
reading
through
161
it
is
how
much
this
interrelates
to
the
measures
of
l7]
success
of
the
program,
and
that
the
viability
of
the
[
a]
Agency
doing
these
things
to
my
mind
is
very
much
[
a]
dependent
on
whether
there
s
an
ability
to
convince
[
to]
Congress
and
the
public
that
we
should
be
measured
in
a
[
ii]
different
way
then
we
ve
been
measured
so
far.
Because
[
12]
if
you
re
interested
in
deletion
of
sites,
then
if
that
s
1131
your
measure,
then
a
lot
of
these
steps
of
delaying
and
[
14]
deferring
or
doing
the
worse
and
then
coming
back,
isn
t
[
is]
going
to
work.
And
if
completions
or
deletions
are
your
[
16]
measure,
then
a
lot
of
what
I
consider
sort
good
judgment
[
17]
decisions
to
maybe
defer
remediation
at
a
portion
of
site
[~
a]
that
does
not
pose
a
current
health
risk,
which
I
think
[
js]
makes
tremendous
sense
in
an
atmosphere
of
limited
]
20]
resources,
you
can
t
do
it.
If
we
re
going
to
get
beat
1211
up
because
we
didn
t
finish
enough
sites.

P21
To
my
mind,
at
lcast
five
of
these
­
the
two,

____._..
~~~~~.
~~~~~
~~~
[
I]
kind
of
support
on
the
second
half.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Any
follow­
up
on
that?
Otherwise
[
3]
we
11
move
from
that
particular
point.

(
41
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
Ray,
I
would
add
some
[
5]
comments.

El
MR.
LOEHR:
Okay.
Let
me
get
to
Sue
and
then
171
I
ll
bounce
back
to
you.

WI
MS.
BRIGGUM:
It
s
specifically
to
Larry.
I
(
61
agree
to
completely.
And
1
think
WC
re
farther,
I
hope,

[
IO]
then
we
think.
Because
the
measuring
program
progress
[
I
I]
one
of
the
appendices
that
isn
t
there
has
a
number
of
[
12]
measures
that
would
do
just
that
as
they
look
at
risk
[
13]
reduction,
corrective
action,
measures
that
would
bc
[
14]
imported.
And
that
would
give
a
much
clearer
picture.

[
15]
And
I
think
would
be
nicely
compatible
with
what
WC
[
16]
suggest
and
would
get
you
away
from
having
do
just
do
[
17]
full
site
construction
completion
as
your
only
measure
01
[
re]
important
work.

[
I91
MR.
LOEHR:
Jim,
you
came
in
just
as
this
was
[
zo]
related
to
this.
You
want
to
wait
until
full
house?
I
(
211
don
t
really
cam,
but
some
oP
us
have
­

WI
MR.
DEROUIN:
Let
s
get
Grant
s
comment.

~~~
_..~
­­
[
I)
three,
four,
and
then
the
one
down
below
talking
about
[
zl
deletions
are
all
critically
dependent
upon
whether
you
[
3]
all
­
first
of
all
whether
you
all
are
comfortable
[
4]
making
a
recommendation
is
another
way
to
measure
[
5]
progress
that
s
more
linked
to
what
you
think
ought
to
bc
161
happening.
And
1
think
there
are
other
waysAnd
then
[
7]
whether
that
gets
adopted
in
way
that
empowers
the
Agency
[
a]
and
empowers
Marianne
to
say
okay,
well
then
I
m
going
to
191
go
that
way.

`
11
101
They
re
absolutely
tied
together.
And
if
you
~
['
111
can
get
to
the
other
place
and
say
what
s
important
is
[
12]
that
we
address
the
worst
health
threats,
just
to
take
[
i3]
the
simplest
case,
and
therefore
WC
may
go
to
a
site
and
[
14]
spend
some
time
and
say
we
re
going
to
defer
further
[
f5]
action
on
that
site
when
we
go
next
door
and
take
care
of
Ii61
higher
health
threat
than
what
remains.
Which
1
think
is
~
171
right.
Then
we
ve
got
to
be
given
credit
for
that
so
[
rel
that
we
re
not
beaten
up
at
the
end
of
the
year.

1191
So,
that
s
a
long
way
of
saying
these
are
the
1201
right
factors,
but
if
you
don
t
do
the
other
half
of
the
[
21]
job,
which
I
guess
we
11
get
to
later
this
afternoon,
we
[
22]
won
t
be
able
to
implement
these
if
we
don
t
get
that
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MR.
LOEHR:
Well,
go
ahead,
Jim.

PI
MR.
DEROUIN:
Larry
and
members
of
the
(
31
subcommittee,
the
clear
hopeful
intent
of
this
as
Sue
[
4]
just
said
was
to
try
to
move
away
from
full
site
(
51
construction
completion
as
a
measure
of
progressAnd
if
[
6]
you
go
to
page
4c)
in
the
second
full
paragraph,
the
171
scntcnce
that
begins
EPA,
states
that
EPA
should
track
181
and
site
actions
which
it
undertakes
and
successfully
191
concludes
to
element
exposure
pathways
which
represented
[
lo]
a
current
health
risk
exposure
scenario.`
I'hat
that
[
I
11
should
be
a
bean.
Ilow
if
WC
rc
talking
about
is
(
121
complicated
sites
at
which
there
are
multiple
what
we
!
jq
used
to
call
operable
units,
which
the
Law
s
memo
1141
referred
to
in
other
term.
Whether
that
involves
11s)
deletion
or
not,
I
mean
we
ve
got
to
look
to
you
to
tell
(
16)
us
whether
that
s
too
complicated
a
step
fbr
you
to
(
171
accomplish.
Rut
there
are
a
couple
of
things
in
here
it
[
ISI
strikes
me
arc
very
relevant
to
what
we
observed
on
our
(
191
tour
yesterday.
Because
here
in
knew
Bedford
we
have
a
[
zo]
large
complicated
site
which
is
made
up
of
multiple
hot
[
ZI]
spots
and
then
generalized
drilling.
And
it
sounds
like
[
zz]
there
have
certain
things
that
have
already
been
Page
487
111
MR.
COPE:
Two
other
issues.
One
just
kind
of
[
z]
dittoing
on
the
enforcement
issue
with
respect
to
(
31
transparency.
There
might
be
these
lists
out
here,
but
I
~
41
doubt
that
that
would
be
available
to
FOIAThey
d
[
s]
probably
be
enforcement
confidential.
I
mean,
I
would
I
[
6]
Imdgine.
hnd
I
think
that
s
importantwhat
s
my
point?

171
That
s
criticaLThat
they
be
kept
enforcement
[
a]
confidential.

PI
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
What
should
be
kept
[
I
01
enforced?

[
IfI
MR.
COPE:
EPA
s
prioritization
of
lists.
EPA
s
(
121
prioritization
of
sites
to
actually
address.
In
other
~
131
words,
if
you
re
a
PRP
and
you
re
involved
in
114)
negotiations
with
EPA
and
you
can
get
the
list,
you
know
[
IS]
you
might
be
30th
out
of
15
that
wilI
get
fundingYou
[
is]
have
absolutely
no
incentive
to
strike
a
deal.
In
fact,

~
17)
you
vq
got
an
incentive
to
delay.

iI81
UNlPENTlFlED
FEMALE:
They
should
be
getting
a
[
19]
106
odder
anyway.

1
WI
MR!
COPE:
The
106
is
only
affective
if
you
can
I
1
[
zl]
actual
,
y
­
I
mean
Superfund
s
about
recovery.
It
s
not
[
zz]
about
rclribution.
So,
if
they
deny
the
order,
the
only
[
I]
accomplished
for
which
the
Agency
should
be
able
to
121
dcclarc
a
success.
1
think
that
does
tie
in
to
the
~
3:
dclction
ISSIIC.
because
one
of
the
things
that
the
mayor
[
4]
has
obviously
done
successfully
is
wrapped
economic
[
s:
dcvclopment
and
renewal
inlo
the
Superfimd
program.
And
[
6]
sometimes
deletion
is
an
extraordinarily
important
step
[
7]
toward
accomplishing
that
goal
because
of
the
liability
[
a]
issues.
So,
I
don
t
think
we
want
to
take
that
arrow
out
191
of
your
quiver.
Rut
whether
it
s
mandatary,
whether
it
s
IO]
a
plus
or
a
minus,
I
think
you
vc
got
to
dtlvisc
us
back.

1'
1
And
in
that
context,
that
top
bullet
on
the
121
bottom
of
pas:
4'
1
which
Grant
highlighted
and
I
can
13)
understand
where
he
is
coming
from.
But
in
the
context
14:
of
Ior
example,
yew
Bedford
again,
the
return
of
sites
to
151
productive
use
is
clearly
something
that
it
appears
this
161
region
has
taken
into
account
al
least
tangentially
in
171
terms
of
sequencing
the
dollars
to
be
spent
and
so
on
in
ia]
where
thcyvc
constructed
the
treatment
facility
and
so
191
on.~\
nd
again,
I
don
t
think
wc
want
to
take
that
arrow
201
out
of
KAI
5
quiver
in
terms
of
dealing
with
really
2'
1
con~
plrx
silts
like
we
obstrrvctl
yestcrtlay.

22)
MR.
LOEHR:
Now
WC
II
go
to
Grant.
Page
489
/
111
thing
really
you
can
do
effectively
is
go
in
there
and
[
z]
cleanup
and
do
cost
recovery
later
on.

131
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
You
can
sue
to
enforce
the
1
~
41
order.
I
1
(
51
MR.
COPE:
IIow
much
do
you
get
back?
You
only
[
s]
get
back
­

[
71
MR.
EHRMANN:
Okay,
(
inaudible)
let
s
keep
IS]
moving
here.
Do
you
have
a
second
issue?

PI
MR.
COPE:
Second
issue
with
respect
to
[
IO]
segmentation.
It
s
a
huge
issue.
You
re
right,
Vicky,
I
[
I
I]
had
a
big
star
next
to
it
and
I
just
ignored
it.
So,

I
pzl
ditto
on
everything
you
said.
I
would
say
there
are
'[?
3]
practical
concerns,
community
concerns,
and
then
broader
1141
concerns
that
I
think
are
policies
front
and
center
for
(
151
this
cotnmiitcc.

fl61
Some
of
the
practical
concerns
are
leans
for
I
[
rr]
example.
If
you
clean
up
one
part
of
a
arca,
that
part
[
ia]
dots
have
some
economic
value
that
is
inert
to
it
largely
[
is]
as
a
result
ol'government
activity
Let
s
assume
that
i
(
201
il
s
a
funded
site
the
PRP
didn
t
want
to
clean
up,

!
i)
i]
whalcvc,
r
)
iPA
should
be
able
to
put
a
lean
on
that.
And
1
[
z:
if.
you
dclist
it,
that
could
get
in
the
way.
Even
more
­
_
.
­
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490
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492
[
I]
practically
than
that
though,
sometimes
on
site
you
need
[
II
bad
idea
in
that
situation
of
the
surf'dce
unit
if
that
[
z]
access.
You
need
to
lay
a
foundation
for
a
building
[
z]
helps
redevelop
the
property,
torn
a
Brownfields
into
a
[
3]
which
they
re
going
to
use
to
remediate
the
site.
~
31
productive
use.
But
I
think
the
harder
one
is
the
one
141
AU
those
factors
and
more
I
think
are
important
,
[
4]
that
the
option
that
s
talked
about
here
which
is
you
151
for
having
the
site
listed,
or
can
be
important
for
I
[
5]
have
several
surface
operable
units.
One
thdt
s
much
[
6]
having
the
site.
I
agree
I
think
there
s
a
distinction
[
7]
between
prescribing
it
and
allowing
EPA
to
do
it.
But
I
[
a]
think
that
once
again
we
should
­
if
we
re
going
err
it
[
s]
all,
it
should
be
on
making
certain
EPA
has
the
capacity
[
IO]
to
protect
public
health
and
environmental
quahty,

[
I
11
rather
than
restricting
their
ability
to.

1121
From
a
community
aspect
I
think
you
d
have
[
I
31
communities
going
crazy
if
you
told
them
that,
weII
the
~
141
sites
kind
of
clean
but
it
s
not
really
clean.
The
1151
ground
water
s
not
really
clean
and
won
t
be
cleaned
for
~
161
50
years,
maybe
ever,
but
the
soil,
weII
at
least
the
[
17]
first
3
feet
of
the
CAP,
whatever
­
you
re
going
to
have
[
ia]
so
much
confusion.
So,
practically
speaking
when
you
re
[
19]
talking
about
what
does
this
mean
for
people
in
those
[
20]
congressional
districts
and
how
does
that
reflect
upon
1211
you,
that
could
be
a
huge
issue.

WI
And
then
one
of
the
other
issues
is
just
leaving
Page
491
[
II
widespread
levels
of
low
level
contamination
across
the
121
country.
I
m
not
certain
that
s
a
road
we
want
go
down.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Let
me
just
make
­
this
camera
[
41
over
here
is
local
media
covering
part
of
the
meeting.

~
51
So,
don
t
get
alarmed.
It
s
not
the
­
inside
EPA
hasn
t
[
q
gone
to
live
video
feeds.
Not
yet
anyway.

VI
MR.
LOEHR:
Larry,
go
ahead.

[
aI
MR.
STARFIELD:
In
that
case,
I
m
Barry
Breen
[
a]
(
phonetic).
The
issues
that
Grant
raises
are
obviously
[
IO]
true
and
I
think
that
s
one
of
the
hard
issues
for
[
j
I]
communities,
is
how
do
you
­
and
we
re
sort
of
here
at
1121
the
ivory
tower
place
trying
to
figure
out
what
do
you
~
131
do.
Where
are
the
tradeoffs
with
actually
looking
at
the
[
14]
individual
people.

[
151
But
I
do
think
there
s
a
reality
on
a
lot
of
[
161
these
big
sites
that
have
brown
water
pollutants.
We
re
~
171
going
to
be
pumping
for
30
years.
We
may
have
cleaned
up
[
IS]
the
surface.
The
surface
may
be
fine
and
there
may
be
(
191
some
wells
that
are
going
and
will
be
going
for
30
years.

,201
I
m
not
sure
that
that
s
a
message
that
is
difficult
if
[;~
IJ
you
meet
the
community
that
cannot
be
explained.
I
think
(
221
the
harder
one
is
where
­
and
I
m
not
sure
deletion
is
a
I:
161
hotter
than
the
others.
We
go
in
and
we
take
care
of
the
[
q
hot
one
and
we
fence
off
the
other
two,
and
say
we
II
bc
[
a]
back.
That
s
a
much
harder
decision.
At
the
same
time
[
g]
sitting
where
we
are,
it
s
hard
not
to
say
that
s
not
the
IO]
right
decision,
because
the
community
down
the
road
has
a
111
hotter
area
than
your
area.

121
This
is
sort
of
Iike
there
arc
no
easy
answers
131
here.
So,
that
s
why
I
come
back
wlyat
I
said
this
141
morning
about
the
site
specific,
all
the
factors.
I
151
think
you
have
to
sit
down
with
community
and
you
have
to
161
say
this
is
what
we
think
makes
sense.
Maybe
you
sit
171
down
with
both
communities.
This
is
what
makes
sense.

181
We
have
only
so
many
people,
so
many
dollars,
can
t
be
in
191
both
places
at
once.
We
wiIl
come
back.
Maybe
give
them
zo]
a
schedule.
But
this
is
hard
stuff.
I
think
what
this
211
does
is
it
gives
us
­
it
asks
us
to
make
decisions
based
22)
on
risk.
And
I
think
communities
­
weIl
nobody
s
happy
Page
493
[
I]
about
not
having
their
site
cleaned
up
today.

(
21
I
think
we
can
explain
it
as
long
as
we
re
131
operating
on
some
criteria
that
arc
out
there
and
people
[
4]
respect.
That
s
what
this
Workgroup
is
trying
has
been
~
51
trying
to
do
is
to
give
us
the
criteria.
It
s
always
[
s]
hard.
And
aII
the
community
activists
know
how
difficull
[
7]
it
is
to
say
to
a
group
of
people
you
have
to
wait.
But
[
a]
the
reality
is
somebody
s
waiting
if
we
re
doing
yours.

[
g]
There
s
just
not
a
good
total
answer
to
it.

101
MR.
LOEHR:
Kate.

111
MS.
PROBST:
I
think
just
builds
on
what
Larry
121
said,
although
I
didn
t
know
what
he
was
going
to
say.

131
I
m
not
sure
I
understood
what
Grant
said.
I
would
argue
141
that
if
you
re
at
a
site
and
you
re
deferring
action
at
151
some
operable
units
or
some
hot
spots,
WC
should
add
to
is]
this
directly
informing
the
community.
And
I
think
that
171
EPA
needs
to
track
those
and
there
needs
to
be
some
181
revisiting
proccss.
That
s
what
teenager
sites
are
att
191
about.
You
know,
we
vc
got
these
sites
where
IiPA
m
tact
zo]
never
comes
back
to
them.
So,
I
think
of
WC'
rc
going
to
2i]
put
in
these
factors
in
lhis
priorililalion,
we
need
to
221
be
clear
that
the
community
needs
to
be
cnhrccd
Lhat
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(
11
action
at
this
CX!
or
whatever
it
is
is
being
deferred
and
[
z]
that
EJ'A
needs
to,
in
CERCIA
or
whatever,
it
needs
to
[
3]
stay
­
we
need
to
somehow
account
for
them
and
we
need
[
41
IO
revisit
them
periodically.
Because
what
happens
is
[
s]
sometimes
things
just
falls
off
everybody
s
radar
screen.

PI
And
there
needs
lo
be
some
way
the
Agency
171
annually
or
every
two
years,
or
something,
goes
back
and
[
al
says
is
this
still
the
right
remedy.
are
we
going
to
do
[
g]
il.
You
don
t
want
them
to
pdnguish
for
10
or
15
years,

[
IO]
because
then
in
fact
you
are
changing
cleanup
standards
[
ii]
in
a
very
hmdamental
way.
So.
I
think
we
need
to
add
~
121
those
process
projections.

[
I31
MR.
LOEHR:
Bill
Adams.

I141
MR.
ADAMS:
Kate,
I
want
to
agree
with
you
on
1151
that
one.
From
a
company
perspective
of
having
to
deal
(
16j
with
Superhmd
sites
over
many
years,
at
least
in
my
1171
company
we
want
to
be
done
with
that.
I
don
t
want
to
[
ia]
have
it
drag
on
forever.
And
I
can
tell
you
last
week
in
[
I91
the
I;
ederal
Register
the
Acutec
site
in
Salt
Lake
City
(
201
was
published
and
noticed
for
delisting
after
15
years.

[
2t]
WC
rc
glad
it
is.
It
s
the
last
one
we
had
to
deal
with.

[
zn]
I
rcalizc
other
companies
may
have
a
different
Page
495
I
[
I]
perspective
on
that.

PI
Mike,
I
m
not
disagreeing
with
what
you
wrote.

131
I
just
like
what
Kate
said,
maybe
there
needs
to
be
a
~
43
time
frame
in
which
it
gets
revisited
or
something.

(
51
Because
they
have
it
drag
on,
because
you
took
the
heart
[
6]
of
il
out
and
left
the
remaining
portion
ami
come
back
6,

17)
8,
IO
years
later
means
the
sraff
is
gone,
the
people
are
[
8]
gone.
the
program
has
gone
away,
the
RPR
from
the
EPA
has
[
g]
changed
twice.
you
have
to
go
hunting
down
the
files.

[
IO]
So,
I
think
it
s
:
I
little
problematic
to
do
it
just
in
:
il]
111ac
way
1'
21
()
ne
last
thing
which
is
I
do
agree
though,

[
is]
Larry,
with
you
on
the
issue
of
the
ground
water
(
141
situation.`
l'he
community
can
t
understand
that.`
l'hey
[
is]
understand
pump
and
treat,
or
some
other
in
situ
[
ifi]
rcmcdiation
event
over
a
30
year
time
pcriod'fhcy
~
171
rccognizc
that
when
their
waler
supply
has
been
changed
[
loi
and
shllntrtl
out
hy
another
means
then
in
fact
okay.`
lIie
(
191
soil
s
been
clcancd
up.
but
the
ground
water
hasn
t.`
I'he
120)
con\
munity
can
icarn
to
deal
with
that.
So,
you
can
1211
tlcl~
s~,
1
think,
in
that
scnsc.

[
Z]
MR.
LOEHR:
,
ucl.
111
lot
of
work
and
discussion,
but
we
haven
t
wrapped
it
up
121
and
I
would
hope
we
could
stress
the
importance
of
~
31
spending
some
of
their
resources
on
this
kind
of
close
[
4]
out
review.
Because
I
think
it
will
be
very
beneficial.

El
MR.
LOEHR:
Vicky.

PI
MS.
PETERS:
Here,
here.
I
don
t
know,
Sue,
if
171
you
ve
had
a
chance
to
look
at
their
­

[
aI
MR.
LOEHR:
A
little
closer,
please.

PI
MS.
PETERS:
­
they
have
draft
I
think
of
their
[
lo]
rcview.
And
I
haven
t
had
a
chance
to
read
it,
so
I
[
i
11
don
1
know
if
it
s
something
that
I
would
­

LiZI
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
You
have
it?

(
131
MS.
PETERS:
Yes.

i[
14]
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
She
s
from
the
state.
She
[
I51
gets
it.

[
I61
MS.
PETERS:
Pardon
me.

,["
I
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
I
didn
t
hear
what
you
[
ia:
were
talking
about.
Sorry.

llW
MS.
PETERS:
Sue
referenced
the
teenager
review
[
ZO]
that
IPh
was
doing.`
l%
ey
caU
it
the
pre­
SAM
sites
[
zi]
rcvicw
or
something
like
that.
I
promised
~
Molly
that
I
(
221
would
look
at
it
and
let
her
know
whether
I
thought
it
Page
496
PI
MR.
SKAGGS:
I
just
think
that
as
long
,
[
z]
construction
complete
on
all
elements
is
the
only
bean
[
z]
that
s
counted,
that
there
s
a
disincentive
on
major
141
sites.
On
complex
sites
you
don
t
even
start
source
[
5]
control
until
you
believe
you
have
plan
for
the
ultimate
[
sl
cleanup
of
the
second
and
third
and
operable
units.
I
[
7]
think
that
s
a
terrible
disincentive
to
the
Agency,

[
a]
because
I
think
particularly
in
source
control
and
hot
[
91
spot
where
they
rc
isolated
into
responsible
areas
that
(
101
everyone
benefits
by
them
getting
a
bean
so
they
re
[
I
rI
incentive
eyes
to
go
and
get.

1121
MR.
LOEHR:
Sue.

u31
MS.
BRIGGUM:
Just
a
clarification.
I
m
glad
[
141
Kate
mentioned
the
teenager
site,
because
one
of
the
1151
things
we
haven
t
mentioned
and
I
think
we
should
support
[
is]
very
strongly
is
headquarter
teenager
site
review
to
try
[
ITI
to
get
these
sites
moved
out
and
resolved.
But
it
would
[
is]
be
a
misnomer
to
say
that
what
happened
was
that
they
1191
were
languishing.
We
have
three
teenager
sites,
and
~
201
there
has
never
been
a
day
in
that
decade
or
in
some
(
211
cases
two,
that
WC
have
not
someone
from
the
Agency
on
[
zz]
site
or
communicating.
It
s
not
­
there
isn
t
a
whole
~~­­~­.­
I_
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500
[
i]
was
something
that
the
committee
should
look
al,
or
p]
anybody
can
get
it.

PI
I
was
concerned
about
that,
because
it
was
just
[
4]
an
internal
EPA
review.
They
did
not
appear
to
have
[
s]
spoken
with
the
communities
or
the
states.
To
me
that
s
[
s]
of
very
limited
value
if
you
don
t
get
everybody
s
m
perspective
on
what
s
holding
things
up.
I
m
sure
they
[
a]
would
get
a
very
different
perspective
if
they
talked
to
[
9]
the
state
on
some
of
our
sites.

t101
Because
there
were
a
couple
of
more
comments
on
[
II]
this
ground
water
soil
s
issue
I
just
wanted
to
throw
out
[
lz]
in
my
opinion,
the
EPA
guidance
on
deletion
is
overly
[
13]
strangest.
In
my
view
­
the
statute
says
nothing
about
[
14]
when
you
can
delete
a
site.
The
NPC
says
all
appropriate
[
15]
response
actions
have
been
taken.
So,
the
question
is,

[
IG]
what
s
the
response
action
in
the
case
of
a
ground
water
[
IT]
cleanup?
Is
it
the
construction
of
the
treatment
[
is]
facility?
Or
is
it
the
ongoing
operation?
EPA
says
it
s
1191
kind
of
in
between.
It
s
not
construction
complete
when
[
zo]
the
facility
is
constructed,
but
you
don
t
have
to
wait
[
zi]
until
the
aquifer
s
completely
clean
and
you
don
t
need
[
22]
any
more
operation
and
maintenance.
But
you
can
delete
[
I]
five
year
review
on
our
first
Superfund
site.
It
s
using
[
2]
the
pumping
treatment.
It
s
going
through
the
process,

[
3]
but
it
sure
keeps
the
level
of
calmness
in
the
community.

141
And
it
sure
helps,
because
EPA
made
promises
to
the
[
s]
community
and
as
a
Federal
government
agency
they
re
I
[
s]
keeping
the
promises
to
the
community,
and
we
don
t
know
[
7]
who
we
can
go
to.
When
we
defer
an
action,
we
can
1
[
a]
defer
something
hoping
that
it
s
going
to
just
go
away,

[
g]
or
that
we
can
hid
it
under
the
carpet.
And
if
that
IO]
would
be
a
plan,
1
don
t
like
the
plan.
But
if
it
would
1
I]
be
a
plan,
there
would
have
be
established
criteria,
and
i2]
deferment
would
have
to
be
monitored
in
a
way
that
s
131
going
to
cost
money
anyway.
It
s
going
to
have
to
bc
141
reviewed,
and
remediation
and
cleanup
is
going
to
have
to
I
51
happen
sometime.
And
every
time
that
we
continue
to
put
161
things
off,
the
clock
is
running
and
the
banks
arc
171
offering
higher
rates
of
interest
on
what
WC
have
to
do.

181
And
that
s
the
real
world.

1%
The
reality
is
that
in
many
of
our
communities
201
the
reasons
­
one
major
reason
that
communities
are
211
being
cleaned
up
is
because
­
and
I
m
going
to
say
in
221
people
of
color
communities,
poor
communities,
is
Page
499
[
I]
at
the
point
where
the
water
is
treated
to
the
action
[
2]
level.
That
s
not
a
nonsensical
idea.
There
are
[
3]
certainly
arguments
for
going
that
way.

[
41
But
given
the
fact
that
in
most
cases
these
~
51
treatment
facilities
may
never
be
turned
off,
or
[
s]
certainly
would
be
turned
off
a
lot
later.
Because
even
m
if
you
meet
the
action
level,
if
you
keep
treating
more
is]
stuff
comes
off
from
the
aquifer
material
and
the
levels
(
91
go
up
again,
you
know,
it
goes
like
this.

LlOl
My
recommendation
would
be
that
you
get
your
[
II]
construction
complete
and
you
can
delete
the
site
once
~
121
that
response
action
basically
has
been
taken.
The
[
13]
response
action
being
the
facility.
And
that
would
deal
[
14]
with
the
issue
of
redevelopment
when
there
s
ground
water
[
IS]
there,
or
whatever
other
your
issues
are
with
the
[
16]
acknowledge
that
the
treatment
has
to
keep
going.
And
~
171
that
doesn
t
then
just
make
a
mess
basically
of
this
[
la]
whole
idea
of
what
s
on
and
what
s
off
the
NPL
and
why.

~
191
There
s
just
a
lot
of
articiality
going
on
in
1201
~
I,
ipUkdtiflg
that
w1101c
system.

[
211
MR.
LOEHR:
I~
olorcs.

WI
MS.
HERRARA:
A
year
and
half
ago
WC
just
had
a
Page
501
[
i]
political
action,
political
power.
I
just
get
really
(
21
worried
when
we
re
going
to
defer
something,
because
this
[
I
['

t:

L
[
3]
is
public
health
epidemic.
It
s
not
a
threat
anymore,

[
4]
it
s
an
epidemic.
It
s
encroaching
in
on
other
[
5]
communities.
And
so
if
we
don
t
take
care
of
business,

[
6]
we
re
going
to
be
in
more
trouble
than
we
are
today.

[
71
MR.
LOEHR:
Mike,
we
got
kind
of
started
with
[
a]
you.
Perhaps
you
can
have
the
fiial
say
in
this
one,
or
[
g]
final
comment.
And
then
we
]
I
move
on
to
another
topic.

101
MR.
TILCHIN:
I
didn
t
intend
to
make
a
wrap
up
111
comment,
but
I
do
have
one
thing
that
I
want
to
actually
121
raise.
Maybe
WC
don
t
have
time
to
get
feedback.

131
Looking
at
on
page
49
on
the
bottom,
we
listed
a
number
141
of
what
we
calI
balancing
criteria.
By
balancing
151
criteria
it
s
when
you
ve
got
your,
and
I
recognize
IS]
there
s
going
to
change.
What
comes
above
arc
the
hard
171
criteria
for
making
priority
decisions.
And
by
the
way,

ie]
there
is
in
the
sort
of
prcdmble
to
the
list
there
is
191
discussion
on
you
can
t
forget
about
enviroumcntal
zo]
protection.
I
agrcr
it
needs
to
be
shown
more
visibly
111
here.

?
2]
But
getting
back
to
the
­
you
have
your
hard
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504
[
II
criteria,
you
have
balancing
criteria.
And
then
four
[
iI
on
page
17.

[
2]
bullets
were
listed
just
as
examples.
It
was
not
121
MS.
McCLAIN:
No,
but
if
you
do
it
here,
I
ll
131
intended
to
be
a
comprehensive
list.
[
al
probably
figure
out
what
it
means
on
17.

141
`
l`
hc
environmental
justice
concerns,
the
comment
(
41
MR.
TILCHIN:
In
a
very
simplistic
way,
it
would
151
that
was
made
was,
gees
that
needs
more
visibility
and
[
5]
be
I
11
get
back
to
­
you
re
an
EPA
manager
and
you
are
[
s]
emphasis.
That
s
fine.
And
then
the
other
three
were
[
6]
making
decisions
on
how
you
re
going
to
spend
your
~
71
objected
to.
So,
the
question
is,
should
there
be
any
[
q
available
funds
and
you
ve
got
10
sites
in
front
of
you,
[
al
balancing
criteria?
Or
should
these
priority
decisions
181
and
you
can
fund
8
of
them.
And
you
re
making
that
(
91
say
you
just
have
to
work
with
hard
prioritization.
You
[
g]
decision
between
eight
and
ninc.
The
frost
seven
you
ve
[
lo]
can
t
consider
the
softer
stuff.
I
would
hope
that
we
[
IO]
got
and
now
you
ve
got
to
pick
your
last
site,
and
so
[
I,]
didn
t
end
up
there.
I
think
that
that
is
actually
(
II
II
you
ve
got
choice
A
and
choice
B,
site
A
and
site
B.
If
[
iz]
extremely
important.
And
even
if
they
re
not
directly
[
IZ]
there
could
be
certain
characteristics
of
a
site
that
[
131
related
to
reducing
exposure,
I
do
think
they
re
very
[
13]
would
make
you
want
to
spend
your
hypothetical
last
[
141
important
to
the
overall
success
of
the
program
and
to
~
141
dollar
on
site
B
rather
than
site
A
for
the
time
being,
[
is]
the
quality
of
live
to
the
people
in
the
communities
[
rsl
because
there
s
an
environmental
justice
concern.
And
~
161
around
those
sitesAnd
I
would
hope
we
wouldn
t
(
161
that
bumps
the
priority
of
a
­
that
s
pushes
that
[
17)
jettison
them.
And
again
I
m
thinking
back
to
­
I
m
(
171
particular
site
into
that
eighth
slot
recognizing
that
[
js]
specifically
thinking
about
bullets
one
and
four
in
the
[
ial
means
you
re
to
defer
the
ninth
and
tenth
site.
1191
context
ofwhat
we
saw
yesterday.
[
I91
Probably
didn
t
help
you
at
ail
there,
but
WI
There
s
absolutely
no
doubt
in
my
mind
that
in
(
201
that
s
what
I
mean
by
balancing.
It
is
non­
health
[
Z~
I
addition
to
reducing
the
community
s
exposure
to
PCBs,
`
WI
related
issues,
non­
health
and
risk
related
issues
that
(
221
which
is
absolutely
by
a
huge
measure
the
most
(
221
arc
present
at
a
site
that
might
make
a
site
­
I
don
t
l_
l_­

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503
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505
111
significant
thing
that
has
to
happen
in
New
Bedford.

121
That
the
collateral
benetits
to
the
community
are
very,

~
31
very
important.
And
the
fact
that
if
Superfund
is
!
41
investing
a
certain
amount
in
the
cleanup,
that
the
state
[
51
and
a
private
party
sees
that
investment
and
they
say
[
6]
okay.
we
rc
in
and
we
re
going
to
do
the
following
things
[
7]
in
addition
to
that.

PI
That
shouldn
t
drive
you
to
a
site
in
a
way
that
[
9]
you
rc
leaving
a
health
risk
ctscwhere
behind.
I
think
[`
ol
it
s
still
legitimate
balancing
criteria
and
would
not
1111
want
IO
SW
them
taken
out.
[
II
like
to
use
this
word
­
more
attractive,
or
more
[
21
beneficial
way
to
spend
your
resources
than
a
site
that
[
31
docsn
t
have
those
characteristics.
I
think
I
did
a
bad
141
job
on
that.

(
51
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
I
Il
try.
Another
way
to
[
61
say
that
is
there
are
a
set
of
criteria
you
would
use
to
1121
MS.
McCLAIN:
Ray,
can
I
aks
a
question?

I131
MR.
LOEHR:
Sure.

(
141
MS.
McCLAIN:
This
is
the
second
time
that
I
ve
:`
51
seen
the
concept
ofI~
al~~
ncing.~
I'he
first
time
on
page
17
~
161
it
raisctl
my
attention
where
it
said
a
meaningful
[
III
involvcmcnt
ol'
communities
must
be
balanced
against
the
[`
RI
need
IO
avoid
undo
dclays.
And
then
we
have
another
[
I91
balancing
here.
Coulrl
you
talk
a
little
bit
­
1
m
not
:
20]
qtlltc
clear
on
what
you
mean
by
balance
in
lhesc
l2i]
instances.
So,
could
you
share
that?
171
help
you
make
decisions
between
sites
that
are
equal
with
[
a]
respect
to
the
threshold.
So,
if
you
say
the
threshold
[
s]
is
we
rc
only
going
to
work
on
site
that
present
a
risk,

[
IO]
humans
or
the
environment.
Then
you
re
going
to
fund
the
1221
MR.
TILCHIN:
Mildred,
I
can
t
talk
about
what
s
[
I
I]
sites
that
present
that
risk,
and
you
say
okay
I
want
~
121
these
(
inaudible)
sites.
How
are
we
going
to
figure
out
[
13]
which
ones
to
work
on
fEst.

[
I41
MR.
TILCHIN:
Balancing
is
bad
word
in
this
[
is]
context,
Mildred.
It
really
means
additional
[
is]
considerations.

[
I71
MS.
McCLAIN:
There
you
go.
Thank
you.

1181
MR.
EHRMANN:
That
s
helpful.
Let
me
suggest
(
191
that
­
Mike
s
asked
a
question
which
I
don
t
think
we
1201
have
time
to
answer
right
now,
or
we
re
going
to
[
Zi]
sacritice
some
Other
things,
speaking
of
prioritizing.

i
1221
So,
I
would
ask
people
to
take
­
it
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an
important
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question
whether
we
should
have
this
particular
section
121
about
additional
considerations
where.
Reflect
those
in
[
3]
your
written
comments
and
we
11
get
another
whack
at
this
[
4]
next
time
around.
But
if
we
slip
into
a
back
and
forth
[
5]
about
response
to
that,
we
re
not
going
to
have
time
for
161
two
other
important
issues.

VI
So,
Mr.
Chairman,
I
would
suggest
we
move
to
the
[
a]
next
section,
which
is
on
the
large
complex
sites.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Go
ahead.

LlOl
MR.
EHRMANN:
Tom
Newlon,
what
do
you
have
to
[
ii]
say
about
large
complex
sites.
Since
Tom
hasn
t
said
1121
anything
for
a
day
and
half,
I
know
he
s
got
a
lot
to
say
1131
about
this.
He
told
me
about
that
at
the
break.
He
said
~
141
he
saving
up
his
time
for
large
complex
comments.

1151
MR.
NEWLON:
I
want
to
reserve
at
least
half
an
(
161
hour
for
rebuttal.
I
think
I
II
need
that.
Actually
~
171
this
was
­
Ed,
Dick,
others
that
will
share
the
blame
as
[
is]
it
comes
heaping
on
in.

figI
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
I
thought
we
separated
you
~
201
guys
at
Phoenix.

VI
MR.
NEWLON:
Too
late
the
damage
is
already
1221
done.

Page
507
[
II
MR.
EHRMANN:
Where
to
begin.

r4
MR.
NEWLON:
Really
there
are
a
lot
of
things
131
plugged
in
here
together.
Part
of
what
we
were
thinking
[
4]
through
was
a
lot
of
these
decisions
about
what
is
a
151
site,
what
types
of
sites
seem
to
be
causing
vast
(
61
expenditures.
Maybe
that
makes
sense.
Maybe
the
80­
20
[
q
rule
we
used
to
talk
about
maybe
that
s
just
sort
of
a
[
a]
thing
that
occurs
in
nature
that
occurs
here
too.
You
[
g]
know,
it
occurs
in
elementary
school
classrooms
and
it
(
101
occurs
with
Superfund
sites.

[
ill
On
the
other
hand,
there
did
appear
to
be
(
121
certain
types
of
sites
that
maybe,
you
know,
let
s
try
1131
some
radical
suggestion
about
how
to
look
at
things
a
(
141
little
differently.
How
do
you
really
evaluate
that?

(
151
How
do
you
really
think
those
things
through
when
you
re
1161
EPA
and
you
re
tying
to
define
what
a
site
is?
You
re
1171
trying
to
decide
whether
to
list
or
not.
How
do
you
make
[
re]
those
decisions
in
a
vacuum
basically,
or
with
a
dearth
[
I91
of
information?
And
then
you
get
10
years
into
it
and
[
201
you
realize
oh
man,
we
could
have
done
this
differently
~
211
if
we
d
just
known
x
or
y
or
z
early
on.

VI
The
things
that
WC
kind
of
qualm
together
wcrc
._
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­­
I
­

~
[
I
11
Page
508
111
some
existing
tools,
this
expanded
site,
the
ESI/
RI,

[
2]
let
s
get
some
more
information
into
the
mix
before
a
[
3]
listing
decision
is
made.
Particularly
for
what
look
[
4]
like
they
re
going
to
be
large
complicated
geographic
[
5]
areas
that
you
re
making
decisions
about.
Let
s
have
(
61
that
information
put
forth
not
just
to
some
people
[
7]
sitting
in
EPA
regional
office
sitting
around
saying,

[
8]
well
what
are
going
to
do.
Let
s
get
that
inli)
rmation
191
out
and
have
the
community
involved,
and
the
public
IO]
involved,
and
PRP
s
involved
for
that
matter,
and
allow
111
folks
to
make
some
suggestions
to
EPA
about
what
they
121
might
could,
how
they
might
approach
it
before
the
131
listing
is
­
before
you
sort
of
boom,
here
s
the
listing
141
that
goes
forward.
Okay,
now
what
are
we
going
to
do.

151
In
a
lot
of
ways
the
die
is
cast
on
these
large
complex
,
s]
sites
when
you
define
the
site
up
front
and
you
list
it
IV]
is
as
here
s
my
sitc.
And
that
sort
of
assuming
a
lot
of
881
answers
to
questions
that
were
never
asked.
Certainly
91
never
asked
to
the
public.
Certainly
never
asked
to
the
!
ol
public
in
a
very
broad
folks
including
the
folks
who
are
!
i]
going
to
be
asked
to
pay
the
bills.

!
2]
What
you
see
in
the
draft
report,
I
think
was
­

Page
509
[
II
maybe
Molly
or
Elizabeth
could
talk
about
this
for
a
:
2]
second
­
was
just
an
attempt
to
pulI
together
some
ideas
:
3]
for
alternative
approaches
to
those
large
complicated
41
areas
or
sites
and
see
if
those
might
be
useful
in
terms
,
s]
of
alternatives
that
would
allow
the
Agency
to
make
more
:
6]
informed
decisions
up
front
in
ways
that
posture
an
71
approach
to
an
area
that
I
think
would
be
more
eflicient
8)
inalotof­
gives
the
Agency
the
option
to
be
more
91
efficient
that
way.?`
0
garner
more
information
and
allow
01
them
to
evaluate
it
more
effectively.
And
gets
everybody
I]
more
involved
up
front,
rather
than
having
a
listing
sort
`[
12]
Of
land
in
your
lap
as
a
COi
kd
aCCOmphSSez,
and
Okd)

[
13]
now
what
are
we
going
to
do.
hnything
you
want
to
add
lo
[
14]
that
Ed
or
Dick?

[
I51
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
I
think
there
are
two
parts
1161
of
this
as
we
talk
about
it,
and
it
s
pretty
obvious
1171
looking
at
this.
First
of
all
is
the
issue
of
how
to
[
la]
handle
large
sites
as
far
as
this
enhanced
investigation
[
ig]
The
second
is
the
segmentation.
We
probably
should
cl&
r
[
20]
segmentation,
becdusc
I
think
they
rc
really
two
[
ZIJ
different
issues.

VI
MR.
NEWLON:
There
arc.
The
one
­
scgmcntation
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510
[
II
as
I
ve
sat
here
and
thought
about
for
the
last
day
and
[
z]
hall`
while
I
haven
t
been
talking.
Really
that
s
kind
of
[
3l
a
pejorative
way
to
talk
about
it,
isn
I
it
now?
Really
[
4]
it
s
talking
about
are
there
situations
where
attacking
a
[
s]
problem
where
small
is
beautiful,
you
know,
we
ll
invite
[
s]
E.
II
Shoemauker
(
phonetic)
here
where
you
can
get
more
­

(
71
_
where
thcrc
are
diseconomies
in
scale.
Where
we
re
181
saying
okay
I
m
going
to
list
the
state
ofwashington
as
[
g]
an
NIT
site
then
I
can
worry
about
all
the
low
grade
IO]
contamination
everywhere.
Maybe
New
Jersey.

ii]
`
l`
hat
really
is
very
much
a
subset
plugged
into
121
this
entire
approach
Hut
would
be
a
subset
for
a
131
certain
type
of
site
that
I
think
there
are
some
14)
characteristics
listed
in
the
materials.
If
you
have
a
151
manufacturing
facility
that
has
basically
a
source
and
161
it
s
got
contamination
spread
over
a
broad
area,
that
s
171
not
what
WC
were
talking
about
for
potentially
looking
at
IS]
it
broken
up
into
chunks.

191
~\
nd
on
that.
that
particular
issue,
that
s
one
zo]
that
maybe
my
experience
an
inch
wide
and
a
mile
deep.

211
WC
vc
seen
in
Lhe
northwest
a
number
of
those
sites
and
221
WC
XC
that
more
of
them
coming
as
kind
of
a
next
wave
of
~~
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Page
511
I'

['
['

r
[
iI
sites
that
are
extremely
ditlicult
to
figure
out
how
to
~
21
deal
with,
and
extremely
difficult
on
a
transaction
cost
[
3]
kind
of
way
when
you
have
these
large
geographic
areas
14)
thaw
arc
not
tied
together
with
a
particular
discharge
or
[
51
one
particular
source
but
multiple
sources,
multiple
[
6]
arc;
u
And
a
kind
of'swash
between
that
are
arguably
not
171
a
problem
at
all
or
more
than
arguably.

ISI
WC
can
defer
that
and
just
talk
about
the
big
[
9]
picture
lirst
maybe.
1
II
lcavc
that
up
to
~
OLI
guys.

['
01
MR.
EHRMANN:
I
think
ip
we
can
have
some
[
I?]
comments
about
rhc
issue
we
talked
about
yesterday
when
[
121
cvcryonc
was
giving
feedback
on
Lhose
initial
findings
[
i31
and
thcrc
was
on
that
was
trying
inartfully
to
grabble
(
141
with
this
issue
of
do
we
define
a
category
of
things
that
[
rsl
arc
dilrcrcnt?
And
that
s
question
number
one.
If
we
re
[
16]
going
to
define
a
category
of
types
of
sites
that
are
1171
diffcrcnt.
do
WC
thcreforc
need
a
special
way
of
managing
[
iii;
those.
sites
thal
is
somehow
diflcrent
in
process
in
any
[
IS]
kind
of
important
way
from
the
typical
Superfund
site?

[
ToI
And
il'so.
what
w0~
1ld
those
differences
be?

I?`
1
And
that
s
kind
01'
the
steps
here
I
think.
If
12~
1
you
want
to
commrnt
on
the
first
one
­
where
are
folks
Page
512
11
J
as
it
relates
to
what
do
we
do
with
the
definitional
[
z]
issues
and
do
you
think
if
this
needs
to
be
defmed
as
~
31
some
kind
of
separate
category
or
type
of
site,
is
there
141
something
in
a
management
sense
that
should
be
done
ISI
differently.
It
would
be
useful
to
get
people
s
[
s]
reaction.
And
then
we
could
go
back
and
talk
about
what
[
7]
some
of
those
methods
might
be
if
there
s
an
interest
in
(
81
doing
that,
like
segmentation
or
RFS.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Dick,
you
were
pointed
out
as
a
IO]
contributor.

`
II
MR.
DEWLING:
I
think
it
s
important
to
121
understand
the
steps
that
are
taken
when
you
re
131
evaluating
sites
to
be
put
onto
the
NPL
for
the
28.5.

141
And
you
look
at
the
model
that
we
typically
use
for
an
15)
industrial
site
that
maybe
a
complex
site,
but
maybe
10,

161
20
acres
versus
one
of
these,
and
we
call
them
now,

171
watershed
side
sites
which
have
very
large
geographical
181
areas.
When
you
look
at
the
guidance
documents
from
EPA,

191
the
site
inspection
guidance
and
preliminary
assessments
`
01
­
I
mean
a
preliminary
assessment
is
a
judgment
factor
!
I]
based
on
whatever
information
that
s
available.
And
when
~
1
you
go
in
there
to
do
a
­
correct
me
on
this
­
when
go
Page
513
[
i]
in
there
and
do
a
site
investigation,
you
are
really
[
2]
testing
lhc
hypotheses
of
the
professional
judgment
of
[
a]
the
Agency
with
what
other
samples
critical
analytical
(
41
data
that
you
might
need.
And
then
if
you
have
focused
151
SI,
which
is
another
site
investigation,
you
may
poke
a
[
6]
well
in.
Dut
the
purpose
of
poking
a
well
in
is
to
(
71
determine
whether
or
there
had
been
a
release
or
not.

LB]
You
are
not
quantifying
the
types
of
quantity
of
material
191
that
are
out
there.

IlO
And
when
you
re
dealing
with
these
larger
sites,

[
111
all
we
re
saying
is
that
before
­
not
saying
not
to
go
[
iz]
on
lhc
NIX
We
re
saying
that
before
you
re
considered
[
la]
for
the
NPL,
folks
you
need
more
information
to
base
a
(
141
judgment
on
something
that
s
going
to
be
so
bigAnd
[
1
q
maybe
a
component
be
of
the
segmentation.
There
maybe
a
`[
is]
component
here
where
PRPs
can
do
certain
things.
And
:
i~]
there
certainly
is
a
component
for
some
emergency
action.

[
is]
But
we
rc
not
saying
instead
of
NPL.
We
re
saying
think
iis]
more
carefully
with
more
precise
and
concise
technical
i
[
zo]
information
to
define
the
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of
the
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[
a]
tlcfinc
the
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m
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the
Agency,
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some
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[
I]
information,
they
have
wonderful
documents
out
there
to
[
I]
gave
you
for
15,000
yards.
They
told
me
how
many
samples
[
z]
the
field
peop1e.
A
site
inspection
should
take
you
no
[
z]
it
takes.
But
this
didn
t
go
for
a
whole
river
basin.
(
31
more
than
400
hours.
That
s
what
we
re
talking
about
[
3]
So,
that
s
what
we
re
trying
to
narrow
in
on.
That
s
141
before
you
go
on
the
NPL.
So,
400
hours
and
of
that
150
[
4]
ail.

[
5]
of
that
is
mobilization
and
traveLThese
are
the
PI
MA.
LOEHR:
Ed.
[
s]
guidance
documents
that
telI
the
people
in
the
field
this
[
61
MR.
PUTNAM:
Okay.
I
think
we
should
reiterate
~
1
is
what
a
SI
includes,
or
a
focused
SI
includes.
And
[
7]
here
that
get
rid
of
the
word
mega
site.
Start
off
by
[
a]
then
you
ve
got
sampling
strategies
and
sampling
to
[
a]
saying
let
s
get
rid
of
that
word.
Is]
support
this,
that,
and
the
other
thing.
They
re
PI
I
do
think
large
complex
watershed
wide
sites
do
[
IO]
wonderful
documents.
And
it
s
instructional
to
read
that
[
IO]
deserve
an
expanded
process
so
to
speak.
Take
the
time
(
111
that
you
this
is
the
information
that
s
being
gathered
to
[
I
11
up
front
to
do
the
extra
work
to
see
if
there
s
unique
[
IZ]
support
the
PA
to
go
on
the
NPL
Iist.
WelI,
from
the
(
121
ways
to
handle
them,
because
each
of
these
sites
have
a
(
131
standpoint
of
these
larger
sites,
these
area­
wide
sites,
1131
unique
problem
in
some
way.
From
my
experience
if
you
1141
it
doesn
t
fit
that
traditional
model.
~
141
don
t
do
it
up
front,
it
slows
you
down
later.
When
you
[
I
51
The
Agency
has
in
there
other
guidance
the
1151
do
get
into
it
and
the
site
goes
on
and
on,
and
you
re
on
[
is]
implementation
manual
for
site
assessment
NPL
listing,
~
161
your
15th
iteration
of
your
RI,
I
think
it
really
~
171
they
have
a
new
acronym
that
s
called
the
integrated
[
17]
deserves
the
extra
time
up
front.
t
think
we
should
[
is]
ESIRI,
all
right.
Which
says
your
integrated
and
expand
[
ia]
endorse
this
idea.
(
191
a
site
inspection
and
an
RI.
So,
you
re
spending
money
[
I
91
Specifically
on
page
52
we
get
a
little
[
zo]
up
front.
It
s
not
taking
the
place
of
an
RI,
but
it
s
[
zo]
parentheses
where
you
re
talking
about
should
the
site
1211
something
more
than
the
assessment
phase
to
be
able
to
1211
have
all
these
criteria
or
just
some
of
them.
I
m
going
1221
define
what
the
magnitude
of
the
problem
is.
And
most
[
22]
to
certainly
comment
on
the
criteria
on
what
kind
of
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[
I]
importantly,
determine
whether
or
not
there
s
a
need
for
[
2]
emergency
action,
so
immediate
response
­
the
response
[
3]
that
I
was
talking
about
before,
that
needs
to
be
[
4]
corrected.

I51
So,
that
s
essentially
what
we
re
suggesting.

[
s]
We
are
not
suggesting
sites
not
be
put
on
the
NPL
list.

171
If
you
remember,
original
suggestions
were
that,
you
[
a]
know,
how
do
you
rank
these
sites
against
each
other
as
191
opposed
to
the
rest
of
the
model?
No.
We
took
that
off
[
lo]
the
table.
We
re
not
taking
out
certain
types
of
sites
[
II]
and
say
lets
compare
mining
sites
with
mining
sites,

~
121
industrial
sites
with
industrial
sites.
Because
there
1131
are
many
mining
sites
that
are
listed
as
industrial
sites
~
141
that
should
have
been
mining
sites.
And
we
re
not
trying
1151
to
say
mining
sites
are
always
more
expensive,
because
~
1131
they
re
not
always
mega
sites.
And
river
basin
sites
are
117~
not
always
mega
sitesWe
re
talking
about
large
[
ia]
areawide
basin
sites.
And
there
iS.
what
we
re
1191
recommending
is
that
the
Agency
provide
guidance
to
the
[
201
licld
on
how
to
conduct
these
types
of
sludics,
What
~
211
types
of
money
they
should
spend
on
it.
And
it
s
almost
1221
comparable
when
talked
about
sediments
with
PC%
Ihey
[
II
sites
qualify.
But
to
me
would
be
you
just
had
any
one.

[
2]
You
wouldn
t
need
to
have
all.
If
you
re
one
of
these
[
3]
sites,
this
type
of
site,
then
you
should
probably
have
[
4]
the
opportunity
to
go
down
a
different
l~
ath.`
l'l~
erc
maybe
[
5]
some
reasons
not
to
that,
but
I
think
this
is
a
good
idea
[
6]
that
we
should
endorse.
And
I
didn
t
say
that
jusl
[
71
because
Dick
s
from
New
Jersey.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Doris.

PI
MS.
CELLARIUS:
This
is
a
site
near
and
dear
to
IO]
my
heart.

111
MR.
EHRMANN:
Section,
you
mean.

121
MS.
CELLARIUS:
Pardon?

31
MR.
EHRMANN:
The
section
near
and
dear
to
your
41
heart?

51
MS.
CELLARIUS:
Yeah,
the
mega
sites
issues,

(
161
which
I
m
just
using
as
just
an
easy
word.
I
think
in
~
171
our
subgroup
we
called
them
sites
that
were
formally
[
iq
known
as
megd
sites,
which
is
fine
too.

r191
MR.
EHRMANN:
There
ought
to
be
an
acronym
in
[
zo]
there
or
something.

PII
MS.
CELLARIUS:
Yeah,
right.
It
s
the
princc­

p2]
like
approach.
I
think
mega
sites
arc
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sites
formally
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known
as
mega
sites
are
different.
The
resources
they
put
on
the
program.
The
resources
they
put
on
the
community.
And
the
technical
complexity
and
wild
swings
in
variation
within
one
of
these
sites
is
different
from
most
standard,
if
you
will,
SuperSund
sites.

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I
don
t
agree
with
the
statement
that
WC
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CELLARIUS:
­
done
under
the
Superfund.

YOLI
have
a
separate
program
that
does
it
where
you
get
all
the
experts
together.
So
you
have
national
consistency.
And
you
have
people
who
have
dealt
with
these
things,
which
is
a
huge
learning
curve
for
people
together.
And
maybe
a
portion,
a
percentage,
of
the
budget
goes
to
them
and
nothing
more.
So
that
there
s
some
[
yarameters
to
work
within
so
that
you
rc
not
sucking
all
the
money
from
the
Superfund
program
for
one
site.

For
example,
the
Housatonic
River,
the
EPA
is
dredging
1
l/
2
milcs.`
I'hcre
estimate
was
$
30
million
to
do
it.

`
I'hcn
it
went
of
50.
Now
it
s
82.
And
about
2
weeks
ago
WC
heard
it
s
$
114
for
a
mile
and
a
half
of
river.
l'hat
is
a
huge
hit.
That
s
a
huge
hit
for
anybody.
And
anybody
who
thinks
that
­
I
II
say
it
again.
Anybody
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WI
who
thinks
that
taxpayers
don
t
pay
for
this
stuff,

you
rc
smoking
something.
Because
any
company
gets
it
s
money
from
sealing
products.
And
that
s
where
the
money
comes
from.
All
of
you
buy
products.
I
buy
products.

It
c`
omcs
back
10
the
individuals
in
this
country
no
nialtcr
how
you
cut
it.
Whcther
it
5
through
taxes,
or
product
prices>
or
imports
from
Mexico,
and
people
losing
iobs
in
America
because
it
s
too
expensive.
Whatever.

1
just
ask
people
to
not
polarize
the
discussion
about
taxpayer
or
polluter
pays.
We
also
have
to
remember
Supcrfund
s
not
a
retributive
­
is
that
the
rlgh
I
word
­
program
that
most
of
the
activities
that
were
done
were
Icgal
at
the
time,
done
under
permits,
/[
zz]
different
from
a
regular
Superfund
program.
You
have
to
1141
done
with
the
state
and
Federal
government
concurrence.

(
151
We
didn
t
have
the
state­
of­
the­
art
we
have
today.
So,

[
lfi)
it
5
a
clean
up
program.
And
a11
of
socictp
gets
[
I
71
al'f~
clrd
by
il.

It81
`
l'hcrc
are
different
issues
that
come
out
in
[
is]
thcsc
large
sites.
Thc
IIudson
Rivcr.`
I'akc
that
for
[
XI]
cxamplc
when
you
say,
what
does
the
community
think
about
[%
l]
the
li
Iutlson
I<
ivcr.
Wc
almost
had
New
York
succeeding
from
(%
z]
the
umon,
the
upper
Iiudson
from
the
lower
Iludson
because
Page
520
they
couldn
t
agree.
You
couldn
t
tell
anybody
who
represents
the
community
there,
because
did
not
want
the
watering
cells
in
their
backyardsThey
didn
t
want
recreational
and
commercial
fishing
disrupted
for
20
years,
and
others
did.
Both
legitimate
viewsYou
know,

I
m
not
saying
which
is
right
and
wrong,
but
I
m
saying
there
is
no
­
as
there
might
be
for
a
landfii
or
something
else,
and
everybody
just
wants
it
out,
or
covered
over.
Whatever
the
community
view
is.
When
you
have
site
that
s
100
miles
long,
you
don
t
have
a
community
view.
You
have
community
views.
And
EPA
s
taken
a
raft
of
beating
over
this
on
the
Hudson
River
over
the
years,
because
they
can
t
accommodate
everybody.

Thatsaproblem.

`
l'hcy
have
different
technical
issues
from
what
most
sites
have.
They
have
different,
very
wild
fluctuations
in
where
the
contamination
is.
It
s
not
uniform.
If
you
have
a
river,
there
are
areas
that
have
higher
and
lower.
And
it
gets
back
to
my
perennial
issue.
hnd
my
answer
is
that
I
do
think
you
do
have
to
took
at
these
sites
formally
known
as
mega
sites
as
Page
519
'

1
111
evaluate
risk
differentIy.
You
have
prioritize
funding
121
differently.
You
have
to
look
at
community
concerns
in
a
131
much
more
holistic
way
then
I
think
we
do,
or
EPA
does
in
~
41
other
sites.
I
just
think
they
are
a
different
breed.

1
[
q
And
they
are
a
huge
drain
on
the
Superfund,
and
on
[
q
companies.
C)
bviously,
I
m
concerned
about
what
we
spend
(
71
too.
And
my
view
is
always
we
ll
spend
what
makes
sense.

[
a]
To
spend
a
billion
dollars
and
get
much
cleanup
is
crazy.

is]
It
s
crazy
for
the
country.
It
s
crazy
for
New
York.

1
[
IO]
And
it
s
crazy
for
everybody.
EPA
has
to
look
at
if
1111
you
re
going
to
spend
a
billion
dollars,
you
better
get
~
121
your
money
s
worth
out
of
it.
I
m
not
arguing
whether
[
131
you
should
or
not
­
whether
you
should
or
not
spend
it.

(
141
RLI~
I
think
when
you
rc
talking
about
that
kind
of
money,

[
IS]
it
s
a
whole
different
story
then
when
you
re
talking
[
iq
about
a
$
IO
million
cleanup.

[
I71
So,
I
guess
the
conclusion
is
that
I
think
you
[
ia;
have
to
look
at
them
differently.
I
don
t
think
[
iq
Supcrfund
is
nccessariIy
the
right
answer.
Maybe
it
is.

I[
201
Maybe
there
s
way
to
reorganize
it
in
the
Superfund
1211
program.
I)
ut
thcrr
s
been
s~~
ccessf~~
l
ways
of
dealing
[
22]
with
large
watershed
sites
outside
of
the
Superfund
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[
rl
program
that
have
been
more
efficient
and
more
effective
[
I]
context
when
you
re
close
to
this
site,
you
might
have
p]
than
what
s
happening
in
Superfund.
That
s
it
for
now.
[
z]
something
in
between.
So,
that
s
kind
of
my
general.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
Vicky.
[
3]
And
that
actually
would
apply
both
to
this
fist
idea
and
I41
MS.
PETERS:
I
m
kind
of
just
kidding.
The
[
4]
the
segmentation.
I
think
those
are
the
people
who
would
~
51
title
of
this
section
is
large
comma
complex,
or
[
sl
best
able
to
determine
what
would
be
the
appropriate
(
61
watershed­
wide
sites.
So,
1
guess
there
was
a
discussion
~
61
decisions
on
that
as
well.

[
7l
whether
we
should
leave
this
to
deal
with
the
Hudson
VI
I
d
just
like
to
go
ahead
because
I
don
t
have
[
a]
River
s
of
the
world
or
whatever,
and
people
were
not
[
al
that
much
more
to
talk
about.
On
the
segmentation
part
[
gl
comfortable
with
that.
It
s
my
contention
that
there
are
[
sl
of
this,
my
major
concern
with
that
is
that
it
is
very
1101
the
Hudson
Rivers
and
the
Housatonics,
and
whatever,
and
[
IO]
much
assuming
that
we
re
talking
about
a
geographical
[
11)
there
s
the
local
land.
tUs.
And
clearly
there
s
a
big
[
I
11
area
on
an
NPL.
And
that
s
not
what
this
statute
says.
[
VI
difference.
But
I
think
there
is
everything
in
between.
[
IL!]
And
I
know
that
that
s
what
has
happened
in
many
1131
That
s
where
it
will
get
difficult
if
we
have
some
kind
~
131
instances,
and
I
m
not
always
­
it
s
happened
at
at
1141
set
aside
prescriptive
rules
for
this
certain
types
of
1141
least
one
site
that
I
m
involved
in.
And
it
tends
to
115~
sites,
which
we
re
even
having
a
hard
time
defining.
[
is]
happen
­
I
think
that
creates
a
lot
of
problems.
1161
Larry
I
think
on
two
occasions
during
the
day
[
I
61
Sue
told
me
a
story
in
Phoenix
where
just
1171
has
pointed
out
how
difficult
it
is
to
make
~
171
because
she
was
in
­
you
know,
her
waste
management
1181
prioritization
decisions
or
whatever
on
a
prescriptive
[
ia]
happened
to
be
in
a
geographical
area.
People
were
1191
and
program­
wide
basis.
I
think
this
is
another
one,
[
is]
looking
at
them
to
clean
up
a
related
site
that
had
[
zo]
frankly.
What
I
was
thinking
is
that
the
some
of
the
NPL
[
ZO]
nothing
to
do
with
their
activities.
That
s
not
right.
1211
workgroups
­
there
s
all
this
interlapping,
but
I
think
[
21]
That
s
not
what
CERCLA
intended.
I
vc
got
sites
where
~
221
what
I
was
envisioning
and
I
think
other
people
were
~
(
221
just
because
we
artticially
in
a
consent
to
create
drew
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525
~
11
envisioning
was
that
we
kind
of
upgrade
the
whole
quality
[
I]
a
circle
around
a
site,
I
don
t
see
how
we
can
get
out
of
~
21
of
the
prescreening
and
initiaI
evaluation
of
these
[
2l
there
now
without
cleaning
up
everything
within
those
~
31
sites.
That
applies
to
all
of
the
sites.
But
I
think
(
31
lines
to
a
level
to
where
we
can
all
say
is
protective
of
[
4l
would
be
most
helpful
if
we
can
go
ahead
­
I
would
not
[
5l
have
a
provision
that
said
if
your
sites
needs
all
of
any
[
s]
of
these
criteria,
thou
shalt
do
an
ES,
whatever
we
re
~
1
calling
it
now,
an
ESPI
or
a
PRI
or
whatever.
I
would
[
a]
leave
that
discretion
to
these
site­
specific
or
regional
(
91
coordinating
communities.
And
if
we
want
to
say,
you
[
iol
know,
our
sense
is
if
this
a
geographically
extensive
[
ill
watershed­
type
site.
If
we
suspect
that
there
are
a
lot
[
is?]
of
sources,
this,
that,
or
the
other,
in
those
instances
[
131
these
regional
communities
or
site
groups,
you
know,
this
~
141
collaborative
decision­
making
process
might
want
to
look
~
151
at
these
other
options.
And
if
there
are
particular
(
161
types
of
investigations,
Dick,
that
you
have
in
mind
to
(
171
get
the
answers
and
to
frame
the
questions.
What
arc
the
[
fs]
data
quality
objectives?
What
are
the
questions
that
[!
9]
we
re
asking?
That
s
not
clear
to
me
from
here.
Some
of
[
20)
it
is,
but
some
of
it
isn
t.
What
exactly
would
be
done
1211
with
what
information.

WI
I
think
that
it
would
a
lot
more
usefull
in
that
[
4]
human
health
or
the
environment.
Even
though
fhc
risks
[
sl
posed
do
not
compete
with
some
of
the
other
sites
that
161
we
ve
heard
about.

[
71
I
think
that
­
1
am
not
comfortable
with
[
a]
endorsing
this
as
is.
1
think
that
a
lot
of
this
is
good
[
gl
work,
and
can
be,
should
be
incorporated
into
a
more
I
[
IO)
focused
discussion
with
some
of
these
other
groups
to
I
!
I
11
further
delineate
what
this
early
screening
and
the
role
I
1121
of
the
coordinating
or
committees
would
be
or
what
have
[
13]
you.
But
I
think
a
lot
of
really
hard
thought
has
to
go
~
141
into
the
kind
of
fundamental
philosophical
question
that
[
15]
EPA
really
did
pose
in
the
charge.
And
I
think
it
s
(
161
another
hard
one
that
we
ve
been
dodging.
And
that
is
~
171
how
to
list
sites.
Whether
it
s
releases.
How
are
WC
[
ia]
going
define
releases?
There
are
times
when
listing
a
[
ig]
release
could
be
very
problematic.
Other
times
it
would
~
201
be
very
simple.
So,
I
think
we
need
rnorc
talking
abour
(
211
this.
Probably
at
a
workgroup
level.

El
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LOEHR:
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Derouin.

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MR.
DEROLJIN:
Now
that
I
have
been
here
in
New
Bedford
and
gone
through
the
tour,
the
question
that
I
kind
of
see
presented
to
us
on
the
old
mega
and
now
the
complex
site
issue
is,
if
EPA
is
confronted
in
the
next
couple
of
years
with
a
similar
request
from
St.
Louis
or
IIouston
or
LA.
or
Miami,
similar
to
this
where
you
ve
got
a
$
300
million
project,
what
is
that
EPA
can
or
should
do
and
what
should
we
recommend
to
it
that
should
do
to
rry
to
handle
that
kind
of
a
behemoth?
Because
under
any
scenario
it
will
overwhelm
the
program.
I
don
t
have
the
answer
to
that,
but
any
thinking
that
we
could
do
and
come
to
agreement
on
whether
it
be
a
special
petition
to
Congress
under
WRDA.
Or
an
agency
of
the
United
States
government
gets
behind
the
request.
Or
whatever
it
is
to
infuse
the
needed
of
dollars
into
project,
I
think
is
part
of
the
question
that
EPA
has
asked.

I
lavmg
said
that,
Ed
made
the
comment
that
he
felt
that
sites
that
fit
into
this
category,
broad
ones,

complex
ones,
ct
cetera?
should
go
down
a
different
path.

And
I
m
wondering
if
you
could
comment
on
what
you
kind
of
think
that
different
path
might
be.
And
whether
it
s
Page
527
!
[
I]
use
the
term
large
complex
area­
wide.
And
fortunately
[
2]
WC
re
coming
toward
closure,
so
it
s
not
quite
so
[
s]
controversial.
But
there
are
several
lessons.
It
(
41
involves
the
San
Gabriel
VaIley.
This
is
an
enormous.

[
sI
Thousands
of
potential
contributors.
A
very
large
area.

[
s]
And
it
was
approached
in
different
ways
for
different
171
parties
there.
There
was
the
Superfund
site,
and
that
[
a]
was
the
classic
Superfund
approach
for
the
oh
you
were
I
PI
I101
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121
[
I31
,
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151
1161
(
171
[
ISI
[
191
PO1
[
211
involved
in.
They
took
six
usual
suspects.
Said
okay,

you
know,
you
can
pay
the
$
150
million
or
go
someplace
else.

WC
were
also
ama;
rjngly
the
same
facility,
a
small
RCRA
facility
and
they
said
years
earlier
then
anything
happened
clean
up
your
releases.
And
we
did
that.
We
dug
everything
up.
We
took
it
someplace
else.

We
made
sure
we
got
nothing
into
the
groundwater.
It
happened
very
expeditiously
by
saying,
meet
your
record
corrective
action
obligations.
It
was
very
effective.

And
WC
certainly
precluded
any
future
concern.

And
then
there
was
what
I
like
to
call
the
free,

the
culpable
popular
party
s
movement,
which
was,
you
know,
there
s
just
too
many
people
here.
So,
what
we
ve
only
procedural
or
if
it
might
be
fimding.
If
you
could
comment
on
it.

MR.
PUTNAM:
I
think
that
you
take
the
extra
time
up
front
to
get
the
additional
information.
And
then
it
you
can
segregate
the
site
­­
even
to
bust
it
into
pieces
if
it
works,
each
one
of
those
pieces
might
go
down
a
different
path.
One
of
them
might
be
Superfund.
One
of
them
might
be
WRDA.
One
of
them
might
be
Brownfields.
But
as
long
as
they
can
all
go
somewhere
and
get
taken
care
of.
then
that
may
be
the
appropriate
thing.
But
the
main
path
is
stiII
looking
down
the
Superfund
path.

If
11x
whole
site
doesn
t
get
taken
care
of,
it
slill
can
head
into
the
Superfimd
program
where
Superflmd
will
take
care
of
the
whole
site.
It
may
take
a
while.

So,
it
s
mot­
c
of
like
a
way
to
chip
away
at
what
Supcrf'uncl
is
going
to
end
up
having
filnding
­
have
to
do
up
front
before
you
list
it.

MR.
LOEHR:
Sue.

MS.
BRIGGUM:
I
want
to
echo
with
a
real
world
cxamplc
what
Ed
just
said.
Because
I
think
I
can
recollect
and
repose
experience
that
a
mcga
site,
we
11
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529
going
to
do
is
say
all
of
you
are
innocent.
It
doesn
t
really
matter.
Don
t
tell
us
about
tanks.
Don
t
tell
us
about
medium­
sized
companies
that
spilled
a
bunch
of
solids.
Just
don
t
telI
us.
We
re
just
going
to
tell
you
the
1,100
parties
are
just
gone.
There
s
only
six
of
you
who
are
large
companies
that
we
d
like
to
clean
it
up.
That
took
what,
15
years?
And
it
was
wholly
inefficient.
It
was
very
controversiaLThe
contamination
spread
farther
than
it
should
have.
And
what
it
says
to
me
is
reflecting
now
after
we
ve
finally
pulled
this
together.

If
you
took
this
approach
that
Ed
s
talking
about
where
you
start
and
first
say,
how
can
we
stop
all
the
operating
sources?
Because
there
s
a
lot
of
them,

and
WC
can
look
this,
and
their
enforcement
capabilities.

(
161
And
let
s
do
this
as
fast
as
we
can
with
each
of
the
(
171
partics.
And
let
s
look
at
the
other
possibilities.
We
[
ra]
ended
up
with
the
separate
appropriation.
And
fortunate
[
is]
thcrc
were
responsible
municipalities
who
realized
they
[
zo]
had
a
part
to
play
in
this,
and
they
got
some
extra
[
zi]
moncy.
Thcrc
was
WRDA
money.
There
were
a
lot
of
[
zz]
approaches
lo
this.
RIJ~
I
think
WC
would
have
been
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faster
and
would
have
had
a
smaller
program
if
we
d
done
[
z]
what
you
said
in
terms
of
the
up
frcnt,
look
at
it.
Look
[
3]
at
it
as
what
s
the
problem,
not
what
s
the
site
that
WC
[
4]
have
to
get
the
assessment
around.
Maybe
it
would
be
151
more
manageable.

IsI
MR.
LOEHR:
Grant.

11
MR.
COPE:
On
the
narrow
issue
of
listing.
If
[
8]
that
s
the
issue,
and
that
s
all
I
ll
speak
to
right
now.

[
q
I
could
see
that
there
would
value
in
insuring
EPA
in
the
[
IO]
regions,
site
managers,
now
definitively,
or
at
least
as
[
ii]
definitively
as
they
should
at
that
point,
what
they
re
[
IZ]
listing.
I
think
for
litigation
purposes
that
s
1131
important
so
they
stave
off
litigation
which
can
delay
~
141
listing,
which
can
delay
cleanupsAnd
that
s
happened.

1151
I
think
it
just
makes
good
sense
for
some
of
the
reasons
(
161
that
have
already
been
stated.
I
do
think
though
that
we
[
IA
should
not
perspective
in
the
way
in
which
we
discuss
[
fe]
this.
I
think
it
s
something
EPA
is
going
to
gain
a
[
lg]
tremendous
amount
of
knowledge
and
experience
on
over
~
201
time
with
guidance.
I
would
hate
to
see
us
a
one
size
[
21]
fits
aII
approach
with
whatever
recommendation
we
might
p2]
come
out
with.

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111
MR.
LOEHR:
Doris.

PI
MS.
CELLARIUS:
I
spoke
to
some
people
who
are
~
31
at
what
I
would
call
a
large
complex
site
that
used
to
be
[
4]
a
very
small
site
that
got
expanded.
And
I
was
impressed
[
5]
by
the
fact
that
expanding
the
size
of
this
site
­
they
[
s]
like
it
because
it
increased
the
number
of
affected
[
q
communities
and
stake
holders
who
would
come
to
the
party
[
e]
­
come
to
the
table.
It
just
appears
to
me
that
there
[
Q]
could
be
benefits
to
the
community
by
the
fact
that
[
IO]
keeping
large
mega
sites
as
single
Superfund
sites,
but
~
1
I]
managing
appropriately
as
Ed
Putnam
spoke
about
with
a
1121
real
careful
early
look
at
the
whole
situation.
And
then
113~
looking
for
the
responsible
parties
you
would
more
likely
~
141
bring
them
together
to
some
kind
of
agreement.
You
(
151
potentially
would,
because
there
could
be
more
[
IIT]
responsible
parties.

(
171
From
my
look
at
the
recommendation,
which
is
[
IS]
basically
to
keep
mega
sites
in
the
Superfund
Program
and
[
tq
look
creatively
at
their
benefits
especially
the
cost
[
20]
effectiveness.
It
would
seem
to
me
for
New
Bedford
that
[
ZII
an
overall
issue
was
just
the
PCBs.
And
a
lot
of
your
pz1
technical
work
was
PCS
related
and
kind
of
drudging.
I[
Page
532
111
Things
that
were
very
similar
and
probably
most
cost­

[
z]
effectively
managed
as
one
site.
For
now
I
like
this
[
a]
recommendation
of
keeping
it
in
Superfund
as
one
site.

I41
MR.
LOEHR:
Dolores.

151
MS.
HERRERA:
I
agree
with
what
Grant
said.
I
IS]
also
want
to
say
that
I
don
t
take
things
personal
wiLh
171
Jane,
what
are
you
smoking?
Folks
­

PI
MS.
GARDINER:
Sorry,
that
s
an
60s
expression.

[
9]
I
apologize.

101
MS.
HERRERA:
No
apologize
necessary,
because
I
1
I]
mean,
I
just
want
to
say
is
that
people
would
think
that
iq
I
m
crazy
if
I
wouldn
t
say
that
in
reality
industry
131
polluted,
they
poisoned
our
communities.`
l'hey
re
the
141
responsible
parties.
And
I
have
to
say
that.
I
don
t
151
smoke.
I
wear
strong
pertime
and
talk
loud
­
Doctor,
by
is]
the
way,
I
m
sorry
if
I
bother
people.

171
ButImgoing
to
say
is
maybe
the
next
thing
is
181
forget
environmenLd1
justice
and
get
rid
of
community
191
involvement,
and
then
get
rid
of
Superfund.
If
we
rc
LO]
going
to
smoke
something,
maybe
that
s
going
to
be
the
211
next
stepsAnd
it
ain
L
going
to
happen
in
my
lifetime.

Z]
MS.
GARDNER:
Nobody
s
suggesting
any
of
that.

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533
[
I]
It
s
not
an
attack
on
communities
by
any
means.
What
I
[
z]
was
trying
to
say
was
that
this
is
a
societal
problem
and
[
3]
yes,
industries
did
contribute
to
it.
And
they
did
141
create
a
lot
of
it.`
l'hey
did
it
at
times
when
nobod)

[
5]
knew
any
better.
Now,
there
are
some
that
did
it
[
6]
illegally
or
all
that.
But
the
vast
majority
of
[
7]
Superfund
sites
are
from
historic
practices
b&
ore
modern
181
environmental
laws,
which
only
started
in
1970s.
Of
191
companies,
and
not
just
ours,
by
many,
many
companies
are
[
IO]
from
the
turn
of
the
century
or
the
first
half
of
the
[
i
I]
century,
or
whatevcr.
To
polarize
it
by
saying
the
LIZI
industry
is
polluter,
we
re
all
poltutcr.
You
throw
away
[
13l
something
from
your
garage,
you
re
a
polluter.
EPA
[
14]
doesn
t
make
decisions
on
who
to
go
after
or
not.
But
1151
everybody
has
contributed
to
this
societal
problem.
New
(
161
York
harbor,
the
ciLy
of
New
York,
cvcrybody
has
[
t
71
contributed
to
New
York
harbor
s
problem.

[
j81
I
m
very
much
supporLive
of
communily
input.

[
19]
I
m
very
supportive
of
the
sensitivilics
of
that.
BuL
I
'
1201
don
t
think
it
helps
to
polarize
the
situation
by
good.

[
2i]
the
pure,
and
Lhe
bad.
It
s
just
not
like
LhaL.
In
my
[
22]
experience,
it
s
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HERRERA:
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can
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even
think,
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FEMALE:
Congressional
budget
lz]
because
I
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upset.
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nieces.
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office.
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PI
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concept
of
mega
sites
(
41
because
of
pollution.
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live
with
this
everyday.
I
[
4]
typically
we
put
a
doIIar
sign
on
it.
If
we
define
mega
[
51
don
t
have
a
garage.
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my
community
WC
don
t
have
151
sites
as
encompassing
aII
of
these
types
of
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61
garagcs.`
I'he
stuff
you
throw
away,
some
of
the
people
in
[
6]
considerations,
we
re
in
the
same
­
that
it
include
~
71
my
community
would
probably
pick
up.
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1
don
t
want
to
[
r]
watershed­
wide
sires
when
we
use
the
word
complex.
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[
al
get
personal
on
this,
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I
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absolutely
refule
18)
pollutants,
many
mediums
impacted.
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be
a
p]
what
you
say.
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I
do
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agree.
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wiIl
never
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large
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m
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two
pcoplc
sitting
around
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is
not
a
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million
site.
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s
a
site
that
may
be
area­
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I
11
this
table
­
and
if
you
look
at
the
List,
this
is
an
[
I
I]
wide,
watershed­
wide,
that
type
of
thing.
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lz]
imbaIanced
group.
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ve
talked
about
it
from
the
fsst
114
The
other
issues
are
that
when
you
re
looking
at
[
IS]
meeting.
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just
want
to
say
how
dare
you.
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dare
you.
[
IS]
watershed­
wide
sites,
the
issue
that
was
mentioned
before
[
14]
Ilow
dare
you.
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dare
you.
1141
with
Mildred,
the
word
balance,
and
Aimee
mentioned
the
['
51
MR.
EHRMANN:
Jane,
Jane.
,
~
151
word
prevention,
and
Ed
was
talking
about
the
possibility
L161
MS.
GARDNER:
I
don
t
understand
what
I
dare
to
[
is]
of
taking
segments
of
it.
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mean,
you
talk
about
~
171
do.
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rn
expressing
an
opinion.
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am
not
attacking
1171
polIu(
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prevention
in
these
areas
where
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restoring
[
i
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anybody.
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re]
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area
by
removing
all
the
sediment,
doing
something
[
ISI
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EHRMANN:
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s
not
our
job
Zo
decide
who
s
1191
different,
we
have
storm
water
flows
from
agricultural
pal
perceiving
what
by
whom.
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it
is
our
job
to
try
to
~
1201
areas,
in
municipal
areas,
that
will
continue
over
the
121~
maintain
a
courteous
discourse
around
the
table.
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I
[
ZI]
next
years.
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if
you
don
t
go
into
a
prevention
lzz]
would
ask
both
of
you
folks
to
maybe
have
a
side
1221
program
and
demonstrate
that
the
prevention
program
is
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535
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II]
conversion
and
try
lo
clear
the
air
of
what
s
obviously
121
xi
upsclling
situation.
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we
re
not
going
to
resolve
[
q
it
by
talking
more
across
the
table
through
microphones.

141
AI
Icast
Ihat
would
be
my
strong
advise.

151
I
worrld
suggest
given
lhc
amount
of
time
we
have
161
left.
Mr.
Chairman,
that
we
take
the
cards
that
are
up
~
71
and
then
we
II
take
a
look
at
the
agenda
in
lerms
of
what
(
81
we
riced
Lo
do
going
forward.
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we
re
obviously
going
191
to
do
ihe
Department
of
Juslice
panel
from
3:
00
to
5:
O0.

1101
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what
wc
do
around
that
we
II
make
some
suggestions.

11
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MR.
LOEHR:
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let
s
go
back.
(
lnaudiblc),
and
[
i2]
then
I)
rwling,
and
then
Dcwling.

I14
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
Just
some
of
the
technical
(
141
issues
lo
try
to
reflect
on
some
of
the
comments
of
Grant
~
151
and
I%
1
andvicky
WC
wrestle
with
the
problem
of
large
[
i6]
comptcx
watershed­
wide
in
terms
ot`
trytng
to
use
the
one
1171
worcl.
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I
m
sure
Kate
wrestled
with
this
when
she
came
[
ia;
up
with
word
mega
I
assume
you
mepa.
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came
up
with
1191
the
mcga
years
ago?
EPA?

m
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
No.

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21;
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
I
m
giving
you
credit
fix
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Z?]
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[
II
cffectivc,
there
s
no
sense
taking
an
action
in
that
lz]
sediment
to
restore
fisheries
or
whatever
the
case
may
be
131
until
you
know
some
of
your
prevention
things
workAnd
[
4]
you
coukl
do
that
by
segmenting
some
of
those
issues.
Or
1
[
SI
of
you
decide
to
do
this
balance,
you
ve
got
to
look
at
[
6]
in
the
longer
term.
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you
vc
got
another
source
of
(
71
contamination.
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source
wiU
not
end.
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that
s
what
[
a]
we
rc
saying.
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these
watershed­
wide
that
must
be
ls]
evaluated.

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was
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only
going
to
i"
31
.
,..
1141
c
larlfy
a
couple
things
I
think
came
up
and
urge
everyone
1151
ctsc
to
think
aboul
really
three
issues.
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again,
is
[
16]
that
list
on
the
bottom
of
page
of
52,
and
give
us
[
I
71
suggestions.
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vc
heard
a
little,
but
I
think
[
ia]
systematically
made
me
think
about
those
four
categories.

[
IS]
Are
they
the
four
ways
to
deIine
it?
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want
to
maybe
(
201
get
that.

i1211
And
the
other
is
the
worries
about
segmentation.

Wc
haven
t
really
talked
much
about
that.
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thoughts
Page
537
[
101
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
You
warned
me.

1111
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
Is
that
how
you
try
to
shut
[
12]
me
up?

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[
I]
on
that
I
think
are
important.
And
one
thing
I
don
t
[
z]
think
we
did
deal
with
and
we
probably
should
have
that
1
~
31
think
came
up
in
some
of
the
discussion
were
maybe
Jane
s
[
4]
comments,
is
the
special
complexity
of
community
[
s]
involvement
on
a
huge
site
where
you
literally
have
truly
IS]
multiple
communities.
And
I
don
t
think
we
ve
dealt
with
171
that,
so
we
probably
should
put
that
in.

bl
One
other
thing
if
I
could
just
add
that
I
hope
[
g]
people
would
think
about
is,
I
think
one
of
the
good
[
IO]
things
in
the
introductory
text
of
this
was
that
emphasis
1111
on
­
well,
there
were
two
­
one
is
no
emphasizing
cost
[
12]
since
we
realize
we
don
t
know
what
the
costs
are
up
[
I31
front.
So,
we
got
to
use
other
categories
other
than
[
14]
simple
cost.
And
secondly,
the
emphasis
in
the
last
[
IS]
paragraph
before
we
get
into
the
how
to
classify
the
[
i6]
sites,
the
emphasis
on
pollution
prevention.
Because
if
1171
we
re
ever
going
to
get
out
of
the
cost
problem,
we
re
[
is]
going
to
have
to
get
into
that.
Especially
at
the
large
1191
sites,
which
have
the
potential
of
eating
up
all
the
[
zo]
resources.

1211
MR.
LOEHR:
Grant.

[
W
MR.
COPE:
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
I
was
141
If
we
re
just
on
the
issue
of
okay
you
ve
got
IS]
the
site
listed,
how
do
you
list
it?
And
then
if
you
is]
segment
it
and
have
all
these
various
programs,
that
is
a
171
huge
problem.
And
it
s
from
start
to
fmish
at
a
1
a]
community
level.
And
then
from
start
to
finish
at
a
what
ig]
applies
level
with
respect
to
cleanup
standards.

201
1
don
t
to
be
redundant,
but
I
want
to
highlight
ZI]
an
aspect
of
what
Larry
and
I
talked
about
earlier,
and
~
221
what
other
people
mentioned
as
well.
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you
are
going
to
­
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I
I[

I
[

I
[

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[

[

[

[
[
I]
mean
in
this
300
acre
site
these
are
the
standard
that
[
z]
apply.
And
then
this
other
500
acre
site,
these
arc
131
standards
that
apply.
And
it
puts
a
tremendous
amount
­

[
4]
it
overwhelms
communities
in
their
capacity
to
actually
151
affect
cleanup
decisions.
I
mean,
it
completely
[
s]
overwhelms
them.
And
the
agencies
are
so
strapped
­
and
p]
I
don
t
mean
to
editorialize
but
if
we
re
looking
at
the
[
a]
program
as
a
whole
then
this
is
something
that
we
should
[
g]
consider.
The
agencies
are
so
strapped
at
both
the
state
IO]
and
Federal
level,
they
don
t
have
the
capacity
to
I
I]
compensate
for
the
overwhelming
nature
of
having
all
iz]
those
various
cleanup
activities
going
on
at
the
same
131
time.

Page
539
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541
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540
[
i]
only
speaking
to
the
listing
issue,
because
that
s
what
I
[
I]
at
the
back
end
segment
these
sites,
and
say
okay
this
is
121
thought
that
was
the
question
raised.
About
segmentation
[
2]
clean,
this
isn
t.
I
do
think
that
does
undercut
the
~
31
and
the
whole
range
of
source
controLThose
are
[
3]
efficacy
of
the
program.
Superfund
is
about
getting
141
separate
and
distinct.
If
we
re
speaking
about
those
now
141
sites
cleaned
up.
And
when
you
list
a
site,
you
should
151
then
I
guess
I
d
like
to
put
back
in
my
card.
[
5]
clean
it
up.
You
shouldn
t
just
let
it
lie,
and
then
IsI
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah,
if
you
had
comments
on
­
[
s]
hopefully
come
back
at
some
point
in
the
fumre.
Call
mc
171
I
d
get
them
now.
On
the
segmentation
or
the
other
parts
[
7]
a
cynic,
but
I
think
that
s
a
recipe
for
disaster
in
[
s]
of
this
sections,
since
others
have
already
referenced
[
a]
particular
with
the
Federal
government,
because
it
s
such
[
9]
it.
[
g]
a
large
bureaucracy,
And
there
are
so
many
pressing
UOI
MR.
COPE:
Okay.
Then
on
the
segmentation
[
IO]
issues
out
there.
I
think
if
you
re
going
to
take
on
a
[
11]
issue.
For
me
that
s
very
big.
And
I
imagine
that
Tom
[
i
11
site
­
and
I
think
this
is
distinct
from
what
Vicky
s
~
121
and
I
will
have
very
distinct
perspectives
on
this
issue.
[
12]
talking
about.
I
understand
what
she
s
talking
about.
I
(
131
I
ve
talked
with
certain
communities
around
the
country
1131
think
that
if
you
ve
got
an
area­
wide
source
of
(
141
who
are
dealing
with
sites.
They
re
having
these
multi­
[
14]
contamination,
you
should
list
that
area­
wide
source
of
~
151
jurisdictional
problems.
And
it
s
very
basic.
It
s
how
[
15]
contamination.
But
if
there
s
a
distinct
Docility
that
s
[
16]
to
know
what
s
going
on
at
the
site?
Forget
information.
[
16]
got
another
release,
maybe
you
shouldn
t
include
that
[
IT]
How
do
you
know
if
a
cleanup
is
going
to
occur?
And
the
(
171
within
the
circle.
And
I
don
t
know
how
much
of
that
(
la]
once
a
cleanup
is
going
to
occur,
how
do
you
get
[
Ia]
encompasses
your
concerns.

~
191
information?
Once
it
actually
gets
going,
what
cleanup
[
I91
So,
those
sorts
of
issues,
yeah.
maybe
you
do
go
[
zo]
standards
apply?
What
public
participation
standards
[
zo]
back
and
you
clean
up
that
metal
plating
facility
at
:
I
(
211
apply?
And
then
it
s
on
a
site
by
site
basis.
I
don
I
~
211
later
time
than
you
do
the
lacility
that
used
to
do
,221
mean
one
mega
site
or
one
distinct
wdtershcd
site.
I
~
221
transfersAnd
that
s
lint.
But
that
s
a
differenL
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111
issue
than,
okay
we
ve
got
four
facilities
that
aU
used
111
bring
something
else
in
over
there.
It
s
good
cleanups
(
21
to
do
metal
plating.
They
ve
all
released
heavy
metals,
[
z]
are
happening,
but
from
the
perspective
of
getting
an
131
et
cclera.
What
do
we
do?
Do
we
just
clean
up
the
first
[
s]
understanding
of
what
s
really
going
on
in
the
whole
141
one
and
then
the
other
three
just
lie
fallow
for
20
years
(
41
watershed,
and
the
community
involvement,
and
all
the
ISI
if
we
ever
get
back
to
them.
ISI
other
issues
that
have
been
mentioned,
it
s
very
hard
for
(
61
&
ly
last
point.
Something
that
you
keyed
on
161
people
to
see
what
s
actually
going
on.
If
Superfund
[
71
which
I
hadn
t
realty
thought
of,
but
it
strikes
near
and
~
71
came
in
and
put
a
whole
circle
around
the
site
and
then
181
dear
to
my
heart.
I
think
by
going
down
that
route
by
(
81
said
now
we
re
going
to
have
a
range
of
strategies
within
[
91
saying,
yeah,
we
should
just
bite
off
what
we
can
chew
[
9]
that
to
deal
with
it,
but
it
s
all
going
to
be
subject
to
[
IO)
right
now,
fence
the
rest
and
come
back
later.
One
of
[
IO]
the
kind
of
public
involvement,
et
cetera.
We
want
to
[?
I]
the
things
that
I
­
call
me
naive
­
I
can
onto
the
[
III
deal
with
hot
spot.
The
kind
of
thing
that
happened
more
~
121
committee
and
1
thought
gosh,
EPA
s
used
a
tremendous
`[
Iz]
in
New
Bedford
where
they
were
­
everybody
sat
down
it
[
13]
amount
of
containment
for
example
in
the
last
decade
or
[
IZJ
sounds
in
the
room
and
help
decide
what
was
going
to
be
1141
so,
maybe
longer
than
that.
Maybe
we
can
reverse
that
by
[
14]
done
first,
second,
and
third.
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s
a
different
kind
[~
s,
I
looking
at
the
long
term
costs
that
are
associated
with
[
iq
of
process.
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161
containment.
I
think
that
if
we
go
the
other
way
and
we
1161
I
think
we
need
to
­
again,
this
is
one
of
[,
71
say
well
we
should
just
segment
off
sites,
I
think
that
[
17]
those
words
that
people
see
it
and
they
kind
of
assume
[
rtll
Supcrfund
s
preference
for
treatment
­
break
it
down.
[
rs]
the
worst
in
their
perspective
or
assume
the
best.
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1
rig]
<:
lcaning
up
these
sites
for
communities,
I
don
t
think
[
ig]
think
we
rc
going
to
have
to
parse
this
out
a
little
bit
1201
that
becomes
a
realistic
goal
at
all.
I
think
it
becomes
[
20]
and
think
about
what
it
s
really
­
what
are
the
[
211
one
big
removal
program.
Kate
and
I
might
differ
on
the
[
211
gradients
of
what
s
really
going
on.
It
may
still
be
~
221
importance
on
that
overall.
When
I
think
removals
I
[
22]
that
none
of
that
s
acceptable
or
all
of
it
s
acceptable.
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543
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545
[
i]
think
little
of'
any
community
participation
and
ARARs
our
[
I]
But
in
the
current
formulation,
it
s
hard
to
get
your
[
TI
policy.
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rc
not
rcquircd.
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so
you
loss
the
two
[
z]
hands
around
it
because
it
s
not
clear
how
the
1x1
basis
building
blocks
for
Superfund.
And
I
ve
already
(
31
subcommittee
will
be
recommending
things
be
done
in
terms
141
seen
El%
doing
this
at
these
big
mega
sites.
They
It
do
(
41
of
those
kind
of'
options.
[
sj
non­
time
critical
removal
actions
that
go
on
for
years.
151
MR.
LOEHR:
We
have
two
comments
still
to
go,
a
(
61
And
the
community
is
suffering,
because
they
want
to
­
~
61
brcak.
hnd
then
WC
will
start
our
Environmental
Justice
~
71
they
want
to
affect
it,
but
they
don
t
have
the
capacity
17)
panel
at
4:
OO.
Mike
and
thenTom.
[
a]
10.
PI
MR.
TILCHIN:
I
actually
had
a
very
different
PI
So
it
does
­
lhis
segmentation
issue
takes
the
191
opinion
than
Grant.
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he
passed
out
the
chocolate
so
[
IO)
program
fimdamcntally
in
a
different
direction
and
it
s
[
IO]
from
this
point
whatever
Grant
says.
!
ii]
key.
[
Ill
I
wan1
to
respond
directly
to
what
Ed
s
1121
MR.
EHRMANN:
I
vc
had
:
I
couple
side
1121
question.
And
then
looking
at
those
four
criteria
that
[
13:
conversations
on
this
segmentation
issue.
I
think
­
and
I[
131
you
laid
out,
propertics.
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you
laid
at
the
bottom
of
(`"
1
this
rclatcs
things
;
I
couple
people
have
said.
I
think
[
i4]
page
52.
And
obviously
there
s
a
fair
amount
of
room
for
[
ISI
it
s
going
to
be
usel'ul
to
take
a
step
back
comprehensive
[
is]
interpretation
and
scale
there.
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as
I
read
these
four
~
161
look
at
this.
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I
vc
heard
some
people
be
concerned
(
161
characlcristics,
I
think
you
have
multiple
sites.
That
s
~`
71
about,
and
I
think
this
is
partly
where
Grant
s
concern
[
jr]
what
that
ficels
like
to
me,
as
opposed
to
a
single
site.
[
ia]
conic
l'rom,
is
if'
you
have
a
large
watershed
kind
of
[
ie]
You
asked
if
we
would
address
that
issue.

[
isj
situation
and
the
Agency
comes
in
using
Superfund
as
it
s
rig1
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
Yeah.
[
zo]
kind
of
hammer
and
is
able
to
negotiate
an
agreement
with
WI
MR.
TILCHIN:
Yeah.
l'hc
image
that
that
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RI111
owr
110­
c
ancl
you
do
something
voluntarily
and
gel
I
(
711
conjures
up
li)
r
me
is
that
these
are
multiple
sites.

~
27'
thar
start&
and
then
do
a
dillcrent
strategy
here.
and
[
z]
Mtrttiplc
smaller
sites
rather
than
one
large
site.
And
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I.
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Page
548
[
I]
it
would
be
better
dealt
with
that
way.
Picking
on
that
[
I]
need
this
type
of
further
exploration,
it
should
be
used
[
z]
a
little
bit
further
without
sort
of
like
a
picture
of
[
z]
and
ask
the
Agency
to
provide
that
necessary
guidance
to
[
3]
what
this
would
mean,
it
s
probably
hard
to
do.
But
it
[
3]
the
people
in
the
field
on
what
criteria
one
might
use
to
[
4]
would
be
interesting
to
hear
from
EPA
institutionally
[
s]
would
it
be,
and
administratively,
would
you
rather
deal
(
61
with
multiple
sites
that
are
this
scenario
­
let
s
say
r/]
there
were
four
of
them,
or
a
single
site?

PI
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
I
don
t
know
whether
we
[
g]
thought
it
was
inevitably
multiple
sites.
You
seem
to
be
[
lo]
saying
­

L111
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
It
reads
that
way.

[
i
21
MR.
TILCHIN:
I
thought
you
asked
what
s
our
~
131
opinion
of
this.
I
thought
I
should
give
it
to
you
since
~
141
you
asked.
I
apologize.

(
151
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
I
think
what
I
was
asking,
I
(
161
don
t
know
whether
it
maybe
totally
wrong.
What
I
was
~
171
asking
is
are
they
right
four
listings?
Or
should
WC
­

[
is]
we
went
right
in
and
gotten
into
that.
I
guess
I
[
ig]
wondered
are
these
the
way
to
simply
identify
this
is
a
[
zo]
site
that
goes
into
the
special
process.
It
doesn
t
mean
[
zi]
anything
about
being
split
up
yet,
segmented
or
anything.

[
zz]
It
s
just
what
are
the
triggers
for
throwing
it
into
the
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Page
547
[
I]
expanded
­
what
do
we
call
it?

121
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
Integrated
ESIRS.

[
31
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
Yes,
that
s
all
that
is.

[
4]
But
is
that
accurate?
Since
we
sort
of
threw
out
cost
as
[
5]
the
simple
way
to
decide
it.
Since
we
don
t
know
cost
at
[
s]
this
stage,
are
they
the
four?
Only
for
that
reason.

m
Like
New
Bedford
harbor
where
they
mentioned
revere
and
[
e]
aerobox
(
phonetic),
should
that
be
a
revert
site
and
an
[
9]
aerobox?
That
s
not
what
we
re
getting
into
yet
at
this
[
lo]
stage.
We
just
know
they
ve
got
two,
so
therefore
it
s
[
I
I]
in.

[
la
MR.
EHRMANN:
Triggers
that
process.

v31
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
It
triggers
it,
because
~
141
they
ve
got
two
different
companies.
Not
to
get
into
[
rs]
other
details,
I
just
remember
them
mentioning
revere.

[
I61
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
It
could
be
wild
and
scenic
,171
rivers.
It
could
be
tribal
lands.
I
m
just
saying
lo
[
is]
you
all
these
things
could
be
triggered
to
try
to
gather
[
19]
more
information
where
this
segment
might
impact
a
lower
[
zo]
area.
So,
this
was
not
to
be
all
inclusive.
It
s
not
(
211
dictating
that
EPA
use
this
approach.
All
we
re
saying,

[
z]
they
have
tool
that
when
we
had
these
lypes
of
sites
thal
[
4]
make
that
decision.
Some
of
them
would
need
these,
plus
[
s]
there
s
a
lot
more.

PI
MR.
TILCHIN:
Are
there
others
that
we
had
~
71
forgotten?
That
s
especially
what
I
think
we
would
like
[
a]
input
on
that.

[
91
MR.
NEWLON:
Real
quickly.
I
just
want
to
[
IO]
reiterate
we
re
not
trying
to
tell
EPA
you
must
break
[
1
I]
these
sites
up
if
they
have
characteristics,
or
you
must
(
121
do
anything
other
than
­
if
it
s
the
type
of
site
that
[
13]
in
people
s
experiences,
and
the
experiences
of
Superfund
[
14]
has
tended
to
be
these
kind
of
quagmire
sites
and
lasted
1151
forever,
and
taken
infinity
to
get
to
actual
c1canup.
A
[
16]
sediment
site
I
m
in
Washington
for
the
Port
of
Seattle,

1171
the
west
waterways
around
Harbor
Island,
we
re
on
our
[
is]
fourth
supplemental
remedial
investigation.
Therc
s
a
[
ig]
proposed
ROD
that
s
been
out
there
for
three
years
now.

[
zo]
The
site
will
be
20
years
old
on
September
8th
of
this
[
zi]
year.
We
re
no
where
near
going
final
yet.

21
The
characteristics
that
have
led
to
that
sort
Page
549
:
i]
of
quagmire
I
think
seem
to
be,
at
least
in
my
limiled
:
z]
experience,
the
four
­
one,
two,
three,
four
here,
seem
is]
to
tend
in
that
direction.
It
s
not
saying
gee,
EPA.

[
J]
we
re
going
to
carve
those
out
and
take
the
program
in
:
I
[
5]
completely
direction.
II
s
stop,
look,
and
listen
for
a
[
6]
second,
and
let
s
make
sure
that
there
s
not
some
better
[
7]
way
to
approach
this
area
where
there
s
contamination
[
s]
here,
contamination
there,
contamination
thcre.
The
[
g]
whole
idea
of
saying,
gee,
taking
this
site
­
as
soon
as
IO]
you
say
that,
we
re
going
to
take
this
site
in
a
I
11
different
direction,
we
ve
already
answered
the
clucstion.

121
The
question
is
what
is
the
site?
Or
is
it
as
Michael
131
says,
is
this
really
multiple
sites
that
WC
should
be
141
addressing.
The
whole
idea
of
get,
you
re
going
Lo
151
confuse
the
communily
on
the
Dwdmish
site
in
Washinglon.

161
I
think
the
community
s
more
confused
by
the
fact
that
171
we
ve
got
what
really
ought
to
be
multiple
sites.
And
re]
then
we
ve
got
EPA
on
course
control
kind
of
overriding.

491
overseeing
city
efforts,
county
efforts
on
source
control
201
that
were
already
ongoing,
CSO
controls
under
the
Clean
211
Water
Act.
It
s
incredibly
convoIuted.
And
Superfund
z]
has
an
organizing
principal
to
work
that
all
around
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111
really
is
working
very
well.
And
everybody
s
kind
of
[
z]
scratching
their
heads
and
saying,
why
don
t
you
guys
p]
just
clean
it
up.
And
kind
of
nobody
gets
it.

(
41
It
s
not
a
question
of
taking
the
program
in
a
151
different
direction.
It
s
more
an
issue
of
stop,
look,

161
and
listen,
think
through
how
this
is
going
to
work
[
7]
before
you
just
sort
of
say,
oh
have
somebody
decide.

[
al
It
s
almost
fhr
administrative
convenience,
I
m
going
to
[
91
take
this
big
chunk
of
urban
imbaymcnt
(
phonetic)
and
[
ro]
call
it
all
one
site,
even
though
I
ve
got
slip
four
and
[
I
I]
slip
six.
and
this
arca
down
here
where
the
real
hot
[
12]
spots
are.
And
then
these
large
areas
that
would
be
(
131
clean
capping
material
Jane
or
below
any
action
level
for
~
141
New
Bedford
IIarbor.
In
any
event
­
let
s
see.
That
s
[
iq
it.

1161
MR.
LOEHR:
At
this
particular
point
I
want
to
1171
declare
a
break.
We
need
to
get
set
LIP
for
the
next
[
IS]
panel.
Those
of
you
who
still
have
issues
that
you
would
[
iq
like
IO
raise,
we
can
take
more
time
either
after
the
[
201
panel,
tomorrow
morning,
or
something
to
bring
them
back.

[
21]
I
don
t
want
to
overlook
them,
but
we
do
need
to
move
on
~
221
to
the
panel.
For
those
of
you
who
havr
comments
and
[
il
don
t
know
what
wiIl
be
next.

PI
We
have
Michael
Lythcott,
Florence
Robinson.

[
3]
And
Charles
and
Michael
are
here,
and
1
m
going
to
ahead
[
4]
and
hand
over
the
microphone
to
Mildred
so
she
can
give
151
the
EJ
overview.

161
MS.
McCLAIN:
First
of
aII
I
want
to
just
say
[
7]
that
given
the
composition
of
this
body,
there
really
is
181
no
need
to
do
an
Environmental
Justice
overview.
Because
(
91
I
m
quite
confident
that
each
of
you
in
your
respective
`[
IO]
jobs
and
positions
in
your
community
are
quite
familiar
[
I
11
with
Environmental
Justice.

[
I21
When
we
talk
about
Environmental
Justice
we
can
1131
talk
about
it
as
a
movement.
We
can
talk
about
the
1141
Presidential
Executive
Order
on
Environmental
Justice.

[
15]
We
can
talk
about
a
definition
of
Environmental
Justice
(
161
from
the
government
perspective,
from
industry
s
[
17]
perspective,
and
certainly
from
impacted
community
s
[
la]
perspectives.
We
could
talk
about
the
work
of
the
Fig]
National
Environmental
Justice
Advisory
Council.
We
(
201
could
talk
about
Environmental
Justice
principals
that
~
211
were
birthed
in
1991
at
the
first
People
of
Color
~
221
Environmental
Justice
Leadership
Summit.
And
of
more
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551
Page
55;

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553
[
I]
would
like
to
do
them
now,
I
apologize.
But
we
re
going
[
z]
Lo
move
on.
And
we
U
take
the
panel
as
soon
as
we
get
[
3:
orginized
up
here.

[
41
MR.
EHRMANN:
APtcr
the
panel,
we
11
take
the
:
s]
public
comment
and
continue.
Therc
are
cookies
and
sodas
[
6]
and
stuff
up
here.
and
coffee
in
the
back.

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71
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OF
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PI
MS.
HERRERA:
­
or
even
more
fanldstic
191
Environmental
Justice
Panel
and
discussion
will
occur.

[
IO]
We
want
to
thank
everybody
from
the
facilitation
group
1111
that
hclperl
LIS
put
this
togcther.
As
people
know
as
1121
volunteers.
we
do
this
for
frcc.
And
a
lot
of
EJ
people,

(
131
probably
99.9
pcrccnt.
do
this
work
free.
And
so
we
[
id]
really
thank
all
of
our
participants
of
today
s
panel
and
[
is]
discussion,
and
we
welcome
the
Iblks.

I161
I
m
going
to
introduce
people
and
just
by
way
of
[
i71
inlroduction.
And
then
what
s
going
to
happen
is
Mildred
;`
a]
will
l>
c
giving
an
oocrvicw
and
introduce
the
I!
J
more
[
i91
ti)
rtnally.
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then
we
II
have
facilitation
discussion
[
TOi
that
Mildrrcl
wit1
facilitate,
and
then
we
II
open
up
to
1711
answers
No
clucslions
and
answers,
and
will
help
do
[
ZZI
that.
WC
II
#
et
rnto
a
very
short
conclusion.
And
I
I
[
I]
recent
we
can
talk
about
Environmental
Justice
[
2]
Considerations.

PI
I
m
going
to
leave
it
at
that
and
to
say
that
14)
Environmental
Justice
communities,
Environmental
Justice
[
sl
advoc,
ates
look
at
whole
range
of
issues,
and
it
s
not
161
just
focused
on
community
involvement
or
what
people
have
[
7]
begun
to
call
public
participation.
During
this
[
a]
morning
s
deliberations
we
had
a
lot
of
sidebar
[
g]
ConversationsAnd
for
this
particular
session
i
m
going
1101
to
ask
that
if
you
have
a
sidebar
conversation,
I
want
`[
ii]
~
OLI
to
take
it
out
of
the
room.
That
s
an
Environmental
~
121
Juslicc
principal.
Because
we
respect
each
other
and
we
1131
try
to
listen
so
that
there
can
indeed
be
a
deliberative
1141
process.
And
if
you
re
talking
while
I
m
talking,
you
ii51
can
1
hear
what
I
m
saying.
Okay.

p1
I
ve
also
been
asked
to
bc
the
timekeeper.
So,

1171
this
session
will
end
at
5
minutes
to
5:
OO.
Not
530
[
ral
o
clock,
5
minutes
to
5:
O0.

[
191
When
we
look
at
the
whole
umbrella
of
PO)
Knvironmcntal
Justice
often
we
as
community
people
we
are
~
11
looking
al
disI~
roporti~~
n:~
tc
exposures
to
all
kinds
of
[
22]
contaminants,
poisons,
toxins,
if
you
will.
But
central
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[
t]
to
all
of
discussions
and
all
of
our
deliberations
is
the
[
I]
they
sent
us
Dr.
Vcronica
Eady
to
take
his
place
and
she
p]
whole
issue
of
human
health.
For
ue
that
s
where
the
[
z]
didn
t
even
know
it.
We
didn
t
know
it.
But
I
was
so
[
3]
rubber
meets
the
road,
or
the
road
meets
the
rubber,
,
(
31
moved
to
ask
her
to
join
this
panel,
because
of
her
[
4]
however
you
want
to
phrase
it.
But
in
addition
to
that,
[
4]
experiences,
because
of
her
expertise,
and
the
fact
that
[
s]
because
we
are
a
holistic
people,
people
of
color,
taking
[
5]
currently
she
s
serving
as
the
interim
chair
of
the
[
s]
about
indigenous
people
to
this
continent
total
island.
161
National
Environmental
Justice
Advisory
Council.
Sister
[
TI
I
m
talking
about
Latinos,
not
Hispanics.
If
you
want
[
7]
Dolores.
[
e]
Hispanics,
okay.
I
m
talking
about
African
Americans.
PI
MS.
HERRERA:
Well
our
EJ
participants
have
[
g]
I
m
talking
about
Asians.
I
m
talking
about
people
of
[
g]
already
been
briefed.
Have
already
been
briefed
on
the
[
ID]
color,
and
I
m
talking
disenfranchise
communities.
I
m
[
IO]
formation
of
this
committee,
of
our
body,
that
Mildred
]
I
I]
talking
about
marginalized
communities.
I
m
talking
[
i
I
J
and
I
sit
on.
And
I
ve
explained
today
s
agenda,
and
I
[
IZ]
about
poor
white
people
who
live
with
us
and
are
treated
1121
just
want
to
go
ahead
and
remind
folks
that
we
were
[
ia]
just
like
us.
1131
tasked,
this
group
was
tasked,
and
I
m
going
quote
the
[
I41
Under
this
rubric
of
Environmental
Justice
~
141
overall
intent
of
NACEPT
Superfund
Subcommittec.`
l'he
[
rs]
indeed
we
look
at
sustainable
development,
and
[
is]
committee
as
WC
re
called
is
offer
the
NACEP'I
Council
on
[
16]
sustainable
production
practices.
We
look
at
equity
of
[
I61
EPA
Findings
and
Recommendations
on
the
future
direction
1171
representation
of
roundtables
like
this.
We
look
at
[
17]
of
the
Superfund
Program
in
the
context
of'
our
Federal
[~
a]
fairness,
and
justice,
and
injustices,
and
certainly
we
[
is]
and
state
waste
and
site
cleanup
programs.
~
191
do
look
at
environmental
racism,
and
we
call
it
just
like
[
I91
We
had
three
role
of
NPL,
mega
sites,
and
[
zoj
we
see
it.
[
zo]
measuring
program
performance.
And
one
we
have
to
[
241
We
look
at
the
issues
of
community
s
right
to
[
ZI]
consider
is
we
have
to
stay
within
the
current
statutory
1221
know.
We
look
at
issues
of
the
role
states
in
cleanup.
[
22]
authorities.
And
two,
using
current
authorized
funding
~~­
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._­
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557
[
i]
We
look
at
the
right
to
be
involved,
not
justice
to
[
2]
participate
and
show
up
as
a
number
to
be
check
off
on
[
3]
the
check
box
list.
We
look
at
our
right
to
participate
141
in
the
planning,
the
characterization,
the
permitting
[
5I
process,
the
decision­
making
process,
the
remedy
[
IT]
selection,
the
oversight,
the
monitoring,
the
on
and
on,

]
7]
the
environmental
stewardship
issues
that
will
lead
well
[
a]
into
the
next
hundred
years.

PI
So,
it
s
not
just
about
community
involvement.

[
IO]
Yes,
it
is,
because
we
want
to
be
at
the
table
in
a
~
111
substantive
way.
And
I
would
derelict
in
my
duty
if
I
[
12]
didn
t
say
as
Environmental
Justice
communities
we
always
[
131
look
at
Federal
facilities,
because
those
are
some
of
the
1141
biggest
Superfund
sites
going.
It
is
unfortunate
that
[
is]
within
this
body
we
are
unable
to
really
focus
on
that
[
16]
issue.

[
I71
That
s
my
Environmental
Justice
overview.
I
[
ia]
hope
it
s
been
somewhat
enlightened,
and
I
sure
hope
you
[
19]
are
awake
now.
With
that
I
m
going
to
turn
it
back
over
,201
to
sister
Dolores.
I
would
just
say
one
thing.
One
of
[
21]
our
panelists
was
unable
to
make
it
today,
Larry
Charles.

[
221
But
God
is
good
and
the
ancestors
are
working
bccausc
'
[
I]
levels.
And
with
that
we
11
go
ahead
and
start.

I21
And
instead
of
me
t&
king
about
how
great
you
[
3]
arc,
because
I
know
how
great
all
of
you
arc,
I
want
you
[
4]
to
go
ahead
an
introduce
yourself
and
let
us
go
forth.

[
s]
We
11
start
with
Florence
Robinson.

PI
MS.
ROBINSON:
Hello.
I
m
Florence
Robinson.

[
7]
I
ve
served
on
FACA
committees
before.
I
know
how
[
a]
difficult
it
is.
I
know
how
important
it
is
to
have
all
[
g]
of
the
parties
represented.
But
I
also
understand
that
s
~
[
IO]
extremely
important
for
those
most
allcctcd
to
be
able
to
[
I
11
be
present.`
lb
have
that
voice,
and
to
be
able
to
have
~
(
121
that
voice
in
efficient
way.
And
therefore,
when
1
look
[
is]
at
this
committee,
and
when
I
looked
at
who
was
on
the
[
la]
committee,
I
was
very,
very
disappointed.
Disappointed
~
151
in
the
lack
of
representation
of
grassroots
communities.

[
isI
These
are
the
people
who
really
suffer
the
problem.

~
171
`
These
are
the
people
who
know
the
problem
firsthand
[
ia]
because
they
re
thcrc.
And
I
just
really
i`
ecl
that
there
(
is]
is
a
lack
of
it.

PI
I
also
want
to
express
the
simple
fltct
that
[
zr]
Niican
Americas
arc
not
one
monolithic
culture.

1221
Hispanics
arc
not
one
monolithic
culturc.
Also,
the
~~
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[
I]
kinds
of
the
sites
where
we
live,
they
re
very
diverse.

[
zl
And
there
s
a
diversity
in
attitudes
about
sites,
about
[
3]
Superlimd,
about
approaches
to
cleanup.
And
I
just
don
t
[
4]
think
that
this
committee
has
enough
representation
in
(
51
that
department
to
adequately
reflect
the
real
problems
[
6]
lhal
we
have
out
there.

(
71
I
formally
lived
in
the
communily
ofAlson.
I
I31
lived
there
for
27
years.
I
left
Alson
about
almost
five
(
91
years
ago,
but
I
carried
Allison
with
me.
You
can
[
IO~
bclicvc
il.
I
carried
it
with
me
in
my
heart.
I
carried
[
I
11
it
with
in
my
concerns.
I
carried
it
with
me
in
my
~
121
knowlcdge.
And
unl`
orhmatcly
I
carried
the
true
Alson
~
131
1egacy.
A
legacy
of
bad
health.
I
have
impaired
(
141
neurological
function.
I
have
impaired
immune
system
[
is]
function.
I
have
severely
impaired
respiratory
system.

[
is]
And
God
only
knows
what
else
I
have
suffered
as
a
[
17]
consequence
of
living
in
Alson
and
being
exposed
to
[
ia)
chemicals
in
Alson
for
27
years.

[
I91
Next
slide,
please.
We
re
here
to
meet
about
[
zc]
Supcrfund
and
Environmental
Justice.
At
the
heart
of
the
~
211
cntirc
matter
is
funding.
because
without
funding
you
(
221
don
t
have
Supcrfund.
You
ve
a
dwelling
pile
of
money.

Page
559
111
Congress:
in
it
5
great
wisdom,
saw
fit
not
to
[
z]
rcauthorizc
Supedimd
despite
the
many
people
and
despite
~
31
the
IBct
that
we
had
CEOs
­
I
see
one
of
them
141
representing
an
organization
sitting
here
­
who
sat
and
151
agreed
on
a
set
ol'
principals
and
Congress
refused
to
on
(
61
with
thal
authorization.

i71
So.
here
WC
arc
many
years
later
struggling
with
[
a]
this
problem
that
still
exists.
And
for
the
simple
fact
[
Q]
that
so
many
African
American
communities
and
so
many
,
iol
Iiispanic
communities.
and
other
people
of
color
ii]
communities
exist
a1
the
fence
line
of
Superfund
sites
or
121
on
iop
of'
thcm.
You
can
t
have
Environmental
Justice
131
~
mlcss
you
have
Superfund.

'
41
Next
slide,
pleasr.
So,
we
want
talk
about
such
151
things
as
~
hc
hazard
ranking
system,
prioritization,
and
tq
justrcc.
All
of'
these
things
require
money.
Without
171
money:
you
know,
WC
rc
talking
about
whether
we
re
going
181
to
have
mega
silts
or
not
They
require
moncy.
And
in]
withoIlt
funding
you
don
t
have
anything.
And
I
think
XI]
thaw
this
commitlce
has
an
cxccllcnt
opportunity
to
make
213
a
tlrIl~
rcncc.
Ycs.
I
tn
supposed
lo
say
within
Ltic
lxx,

231
I>
LI~
I
never
was
very
good
at
that.
I
think
also
that
you
Page
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Ii]
have
the
opportunity
to
make
some
very,
very
strong
[
z1
recommendations
that
can
make
a
difference.

:
(
31
Superfund
is
an
issues
ofAmerican
justice.
In
(
41
the
first
place
those
of
us
who
suffer
from
the
problem,

Is]
we
didn
t
create
it.
We
didn
t
ask
for
it.
We
didn
t
~
61
even
get
a
chance
to
vote
to
say
yeah,
we
want
this
in
(
71
our
community.
It
happened.
It
s
a
historical
kind
of
la]
thing
that
happened.
And
now
Congress
is
taking
the
[
Q]
attitude
that
if
WC
ignore
it,
it
will
just
go
away.
If
Ii01
we
say
there
are
no
more
Superfund
sites,
there
are
no
[
III
more
Superfund
sites.
hnd
yet
these
sites
continue
to
~
121
exist.
Wc
continuing
to
find
them,
and
we
know
the
need
I131
lo
clean
them
up.

(
141
Next
slide,
please.
We
want
to
talk
about
once
(
151
WC
get
them
on
the
NPL
how
do
we
prioritize
which
ones
1161
get
cleaned
up
firsl.
Well
if
I
m
sitting
by
a
site
and
~
171
that
site
is
exposing
me
everyday,
I
want
it
cleaned
up
pa]
yesterday­
That
s
only
natural.

IrQl
Siting
decisions
we
have
to
recognize
lack
[
zo]
democracy.
The
facilities
that
are
in
African
American
(
211
communities
­
I
m
going
to
confine
my
comments
more
to
/
[
zz]
Acrican
American
communities,
because
that
s
what
I
­.

I
Page
561
[
II
really.
really
know.
The
siting
in
African
American
121
hcilities
especially
in
the
South
occurred
at
a
time
131
when
African
Americans
couldn
t
vote,
had
absolutely
no
(
41
voice
in
government.
And
decisions
were
made
totally
Is]
without
our
input.
We
watched
these
facilities
grow
in
[
s]
our
communities.
We
suffered
as
they
did
whatever
they
,
171
did
and
poisoned
us.
We
watched
as
they
shutdown
and
[
a]
became
abandoned.
And
now
we
ve
got
these
filthy
sites
/
[
Q]
silting
there
in
our
communities
still
exposing
us,
and
[
io]
nothing
s
being
done.
We
re
getting
sick.

[
ill
In
America
if
we
are
really
and
truly
about
[
IZI
democracy,
if
WC
do
believe
in
justice,
we
have
a
1131
national
moral
obligation
to
clean
up
these
sitcs.
And
~
141
here
we
are
at
a
time
in
history
when
WC
re
trying
so
[
ISI
hard
to
export
democracy.
So,
we
te
over
in
Iraq
I[
161
supposedly
exporting
democracy
and
exposing
a
tyrant
and
[
I71
uncovering
mass
graves,
well
we
ve
got
some
graves
in
our
[
is]
community
too.
And
we
ve
got
a
lot
of
people
lying
in
jr91
those
groves
that
died
from
chemical
poisoning.
Now,

(
201
Lois
may
sound
emotion
to
you.
Yes,
it
is
emotion
and
I
[
z:]
made
no
apologizes
fbr
that,
because
you
set
the
lost
of
122;
human
lift
is
tragic
and
emotionaLAnd
the
loss
of
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[
I]
human
function
is
tragic
and
emotional.

[
21
So,
we
have
to
remember
to
keep
human
health.

p]
We
have
to
keep
that
human
face
in
this
entire
process
[
4]
and
stop
sanitizing
it,
and
talking
in
parts
per
billion.

[
s]
We
need
to
be
talking
about
human
lives
lost,
and
human
[
s]
function
impaired.
And
I
might
mention
further,
friends,

[
n
that
we
Environmental
Justice
activists
are
traveling.

[
a]
We
are
going
out
of
this
country
to
other
countries,
such
[
s]
as
Mexico,
Holland,
Japan,
Russian,
and
even
China.
And
[
IO]
when
we
got
to
these
places
and
we
sit
down
and
just
talk
[
1
I]
person
to
person
and
tell
our
stories,
and
we
don
t
have
[
IZJ
to
varnish
it.
Just
teIl
the
plain
simple
truth.
What
~
131
we
are
showing
is
a
failure
ofAmerican
justice
and
a
[
14]
failure
ofAmerican
democracy.
And
what
do
think
those
[
is]
people
are
going
to
want?
Are
they
going
to
want
[
is]
American
democracy
and
justice
when
they
see
what
we
vc
[
17]
got?
I
don
t
think
so.

ItJJl
Next
slide,
please.
One
of
the
characteristics
[
19]
of
EJ
communities
is
that
we
have
been
so
badly
[
zo]
marginahzed.
Local
government,
slate
governments,
even
[
zi]
EPA,
Federal
government,
has
attempted
to
marginalized
~
221
us.
One
way
they
do
it
is
by
caIIing
us
names.
Now,

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564
111
contamination
was
an
active
hazardous
waste
facility.

[
z]
EPA
and
DEQ
both
sat
back
for
years
while
this
facility
[
3]
continued
to
operate
and
make
b&
ions
of
doIlars.
They
[
4]
never
ordered
them
to
clean
up
that
kike.
FinaLly,
they
[
q
closed
down.

Fl
There
are
other
companies,
a
secession
01
[
7]
companies,
that
have
bought
that
property.`
I`
hal
waste
is
[
a]
still
sitting
there
in
that
lake.
Now
that
these
[
g]
companies
are
facing
bankruptcy
all
of
a
sudden
my
slate
lo]
is
interested
in
gelling
this
site
on
NPL.
We
can
t
i
I]
depend
on
states
to
have
a
poiitical
process,
or
the
121
attitude,
or
the
philosophy
to
help
get
sites
on
the
NPL.

131
The
governors
of
our
state
have
for
the
last
better
than
141
10
years
rejected
the
concept
of
Superfund
sites.
And
is]
it
s
only
been
in
this
last
year
that
we
ve
begun
lo
see
IS]
an
interest
that
oh,
yeah,
we
rc
going
to
try
to
get
that
171
site
listed.

[
I]
these
are
some
of
the
names
I
know
we
ve
been
called.

[
z]
Impedamist
economic
development,
obstructionists.
And
[
3]
then
there
other
names
I
don
t
even
know
what
we
ve
been
[
4]
called.
But
here
s
the
other
thing.
We
have
been
[
5]
called,
or
rather
our
illnesses
have
been
completely
[
6]
ignored.
Because
it
s
not
in
the
textbook.
It
s
not
in
[
A
the
textbook
the
chemicals
at
this
level
cause
health
[
a]
problems.
So,
the
health
problems
that
I
suffer,
it
s
[
g]
ail
in
my
head.
You
see
it
could
not
have
happened
at
[
lo]
the
level
of
exposure
that
I
allegedly
received.
Thdt
~
111
the
monitors
­
tcchnoloy
here
and
its
limitations
­

[
12]
that
these
monitors
said
I
had
received.

(
131
So,
when
people
from
my
community
come
and
say,

1141
but
we
re
sick.
If
it
s
a
bad
day,
they
say
you
re
(
151
hypochondriacs
or
something
worse.
If
it
s
a
good
day,

[
16]
they
say,
oh,
but
that
s
only
anecdotal.

[
I71
Next
slide,
please.
We
have
to
be
concerned
[
ia]
about
the
listing
of
NPL
sites.
We
re
sitting
on
a
site
[
I$]
right
now
in
the
community
of
Alson
that
was
recognized
(
201
in
I986
as
being
contaminated
with
various
heavy
metals.

1211
chlorinated
hydrocarbons,
and
PCBs.
Thc
facility
that
,221
was
identified
as
having
dumped
that
­
the
source
of
the
[
181
Next
slide,
pl*.
I
think
that
the
Federal
[
19]
government
has
b
role
to
play.
It
plays
a
role
in
~
201
education
to
mahe
sure
that
all
of
America
s
children
arc
[
zi]
properly
educat4.
It
plays
a
role
in
the
criminal
~
221
justice
system
to
bake
sure
that
people
get
their
rights
­­­
7.

Page
565
[
i]
there.
And
I
think
it
should
also
be
playing
a
role
in
[
2]
the
environment.
I
don
t
think
it
should
matter
if
I
[
3]
live
in
Louisiana
or
the
great
stale
of
Massachusetts.
I
[
4]
have
right
to
a
clean
enviromnent.
And
there
are
certain
[
5]
minimum
standards
that
we
should
ail
be
able
lo
enjoy.

L61
Public
participation.
We
ve
not
experienced
[
7]
public
participation
in
the
past.
In
fact,
what
we
arc
[
a]
clearly
suffering
is
taxation
without
representation.

[
q
That
s
been
the
history
of
my
community
ol`
communitics
in
[
ro]
the
South.

[
I
11
Next
slide,
please.
Now
wc
re
beginning
lo
talk
~
121
about
let
s
involve
the
community.
So,
what
do
WC
war11
Ii31
to
do?
We
re
saying
okay,
when
are
we
going
lo
bring
in
~
141
public
participation?
How
early
should
be
bring
in
(
151
public
participation?
The
history
of
things
has
been
[
16]
that
after
all
the
decisions
are
made,
lhcn
you
brml:
in
[?
71
the
public
and
you
tell
them
what
decisions
have
been
(
181
made.
And
EPA
has
been
very
much
a
part
of
this
process
(
191
As
a
matter
of
fact,
right
now
my
silt
­
and
I
have
to
1201
admit
the
site,
Petro
Processors
in
Alson;
is
;
I
littlc
1211
bit
unique.
It
was
one
of
the
carlicsl
listed
silts,
and
[
zz]
the
decision
was
made
by
:
1
Fcdcral
judge.
EPA
s
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568
[
I]
is
that,
well
the
judge
makes
that
decisionYes,
they
[
I]
remedies
that
we
can
come
up
with
is
institutional
[
z]
make
that
decision,
but
they
make
that
decision
with
your
[
z]
controls.
While
we
set
up
institutional
controls,
the
;
3]
input
and
the
input
from
the
scientists
from
the
[
a]
sites
sit
there
and
just
get
worse.
They
don
t
get
~
41
Superfund
site.
You
need
to
have
community
input
before
~
41
better.
And
the
cost,
the
fmancial
cost,
ultimately
to
[
s]
you
give
your
input.
So,
we
should
still
be
able
to
have
(
51
clean
up
the
site,
not
to
mention
the
human
cost,
just
[
6]
that
public
participation.
[
6]
sore.
Now
what
we
te
seeing
here
is
a
still
existing
[
7!
Next
slide,
please.
What
we
want
is
real
public
[
fl
institutional
control
in
the
state
of
Louisiana
in
the
(
81
participation.
Again,
by
the
time
we
get
to
the
table,
[
s]
Bayou
of'
Baton
Rouge,
Devil
Swamp
Lake.
And
what
they
[
91
local
government,
EPA,
and
the
local
regulating
agency,
[
g]
did
was
they
waited
for
the
lowest
water
level
of
the
1101
have
already
kind
of
come
together
with
things.
Well,
we
[
IO]
year,
and
then
they
go
out
and
they
put
in
sign.
And
11
I]
need
to
stop
this.
Wc
need
to
get
in
on
the
ground
[
i
11
[
hey
put
the
sign
so
it
s
just
barely
over
the
water
Ii
21
floor.
[
IZI
level.
So
[
hat
80
percent
of
the
year,
the
sign
is
under
1131
Next
slide,
please.
We
don
t
want
public
[
is]
water.
That
s
an
institutional
control.

114)
participation
to
be
public
manipulation.
I
ve
been
1141
The
other
kinds
of
institutional
controls
where
[
IF,]
preaching
this
for
better
than
10
years.
Rut
still
we
1151
it
s
written
in
deeds,
no
schools
on
this
site,
no
1161
have
some
processcs,
ATSDR
is
notorious
for
it.
[
i6]
subdivisions,
no
residences
on
this
site.
If
I
remember
~
171
Sometimes
EPA
does
this.
It
decides
it
s
going
to
have
~
171
correctly,
that
s
how
Love
Canal
got
started.
There
are
11
e]
CAP.
And
then
it
decides
who
sits
on
that
CAP
from
the
[
ie]
numerous
instances
around
this
country
where
so­
called
[
19]
community.
You
cannot
pick
our
leaders
from
our
[
19]
institutional
controls
said
this
land
is
never
to
be
used
po]
conlm~
lnity.`
I'li:
lt
s
our
role.
We
have
to
say
who
1201
for
playgrounds,
for
schools,
or
for
residences.
And
[
zi]
represents
our
community,
and
who
sits
on
that
CAP
and
[
ZI]
somebody
drops
the
balI
somewhere
down
the
line
some
20
[
22)
who
speaks
fbr
us.
[
22]
years
later
people
are
living
on
it,
and
people
are
­­­
­
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569
1'
1
Next
slide,
please.
I
think
WC
need
a
national
[
21
environmental
policy.
But
what
should
that
environmental
[
3]
policy
be?
And
the
way
it
is
now
it
s
better
much
the
141
government
can
do
anything,
I
mean
the
industry
can
do
[
5]
anylhing
of
the
world
it
wants
to
as
long
as
it
gives
[
6]
public
participation.
That
is,
as
long
as
we
the
[
7!
opportunity
to
speak.
It
docsn
1
necessarily
mean
181
anybody
is
listening.

PI
Ncxl
slide,
plcase.
When
we
speak
out,
you
have
io]
to
rcmcmbcr
WC
were
there
belhre
the
site.
We
were
when
ii]
the
came.
We
were
there
during
it
s
operating
days.
And
rz]
WC
there
when
it
got
to
be
abandoned.
We
re
experts
on
131
that
site.
We
may
not
speak
in
parts
per
billion.
We
141
may
not
have
all
the
technical
expertise,
but
WC
know­

is]
what
went
on
in
that
site.
And
we
know
what
s
still
161
going
on.
Wc
know
what
s
going
on
at
night
after
you
go
171
homc
So,
WC
have
to
have
­
our
input
has
to
really
`
R]
valuctl.

191
Ucxt
slide,
plcase.
We
rc
going
to
talk
about
201
`
ionic
rcmcdics.
What
arc
some
rcmcdics
wc
defiitely
want
2i)
to
:
kvr,
irl?

271
Next
slide,
please.
One
of
the
worst
kind
of
II]
getting
sick.

PI
Institutional
controls
is
something
we
need
to
131
get
rid
of.
We
need
to
attack
these
sites.
We
need
to
141
get
them
cleaned
up.

PI
Next
slide,
please.
Whether
we
re
taikmg
about
I
..­
[
G]
mcga
sites
or
multiple
sites,
we
re
often
talking
about
171
African
American
communities
or
Hispanic
communities
[
a]
People
of
color
communities.

PI
Next
slide,
p1ease.
Thi.
s
is
a
picture
of
my
[
IO]
community
and
all
those
little
white
boxes
represent
[
III
industries
or
waste
sites
in
that
community
of
1,500
~
121
people.
We
have
a
swamp.
Nine
square
miles
of
it
are
[!
3]
contamindted.?`
hey
re
trying
to
say
it
s
clean.
It
s
[
14]
not
clean.
Is
it
clean
enough
for
us
go
out
there
and
1151
swim
in
like
we
used
to?
Is
it
clean
enough
for
us
to
[
is]
eat
the
fish
whenever
we
need
to
eat
the
fish
from
it?
I
[
17]
don
t
think
so.

ll61
Next
slide,
please.
We
gave
up
supposedly
human
[
ig]
sacriticc
a
long
time
ago,
but,
next
slide,
please.

[
zo]
IIuman
sacrilice
is
alive
and
well
in
the
United
States.

:
ZI]
They
rc
called
sacrifice
communities.
Where
communities
I[
221
such
as
Alson
are
forced
to
bear
the
environmental
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[
I]
burdens
of
some
entity
that
the
state,
the
city,
or
the
[
z]
country,
has
decided
is
important.
We
need
to
be
[
a]
compensated
for
this
important
role
that
we
re
playing.

[
4]
Now
how
do
we
want
to
be
compensated?
Doris,
mentioned
[
5]
last
night,
people
think
we
want
to
get
rich.
No,
we
[
s]
don
t
want
to
get
rich.
What
we
want
is
basics.
We
want
~
1
our
health
needs
to
be
taken
care
of.
Our
health
has
18~
been
damaged.
We
want
our
health
needs
taken
care
of.

[
g]
And
we
want
the
site
cleaned
up
so
that
we
aren
t
exposed
[
lo]
any
further.

[
iI1
Next
slide,
please.
We
re
using
science
­

[
IZ]
here
s
the
basic
fault
of
the
whole
process.
We
[
ia]
supposedly
are
using
science,
but
science
is
very
[
14]
demanding
in
terms
of
what
you
can
use
it,
how
you
can
[
is]
use
it.
Two
of
the
weakest
are
limitations
of
science
of
[
16]
the
simple
fact
that
number
one,
you
ve
got
to
have
some
~
171
knowledge.
And
number
two,
you
got
to
have
the
right
11
a]
technology.
We
couldn
t
really
examine
the
moon
until
we
1191
had
the
right
kind
of
telescopes
to
do
it.
[
I]
you
look
and
say
whoops,
we
made
a
mistake.
They
were
/
[
2]
right.
But
we
re
not
(
inaudible)
aIready.
This
is
Pctro
[
3]
Processor
s
burning.
It
used
to
catch
fiie
[
4l
spontaneously.
Who
could
have
ever
predicted
that?

El
Next
slide,
pIease.
There
are
lots
of
other
[
6]
environmenlaI
uncertainties
that
risk
simply
can
1
deal
[
7]
with.
And
this
what
we
ve
got
to
get
away
from
lhis
[
a]
risk.
What
s
our
cumulative
exposure?
And
what
are
its
[
g]
effects?
I
don
t
even
want
to
mention
the
dirty
word
01
[
IO]
synergism,
and
I
know
you
don
t
want
to
hear
it.
But
it
~
[
II]
exists.
And
how
do
we
deal
with
lhat?
And
then
there
s
~
(
121
aII
those
other
individual
factors
of
humans.

PO1
Those
are
some
of
the
limitations
of
science.

[
zi]
We
ve
got
to
understand
that.
And
then
when
it
comes
lo
[
22]
environmental
sciences,
their
pitfall,
main
pi&
II,
is
[
131
Next
slide,
please.
So,
risk
assessment
is
in
~
[
14]
essence
what
we
call
a
death
assessment.
Next
slide.

[
151
If
we
re
going
to
have
justice
in
America,
and
[
I
61
if
we
re
going
to
have
clean
communities,
wc
vc
got
lo
[
i
71
have
Superfund.
Thank
you.

[
ial
(
Applause.)

[
191
MS.
McCLAIN:
Our
next
speaker
will
be
Mr.

[
20]
Charles
IJtIey.
Actually,
you
can
hold
the
applause.
Our
[
21]
next
speaker
wiU
be
Mr.
Charles
Utley
from
Augusta,

1221
Georgia.

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571
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573
[
I]
we
don
t
have
controlled
environments.
How
can
you
do
a
[
2]
controlled
experiment
on
a
community
Iike
Alson?

[
31
Next
slide,
please.
We
have
been
exposed
to
aII
141
manner
of
chemicals.
We
ve
been
exposed
at
different
[
5]
levels.
Not
everybody
in
the
chemical
has
been
exposed
[
s]
at
the
same
level.
Not
everybody
in
the
community
and
­

[
7]
next
slide,
please.
Not
everybody
in
the
community
has
[
e]
the
same
level
of
sensitivities.

191
The
model
that
we
use
now
is
called
risk
(
101
assessment,
or
risk.
And
risk
­
I
once
defined
risk
[
1
I]
before
Congressional
committee
as
decisions
based
on
~
121
ignorance
made
by
those
who
don
t
have
to
Iivc
with
them.

~
131
Of
the
75,000
or
more
chemicals
in
constant
production
[
14]
and
use
in
America
today,
fewer
than
1
percent
have
been
[
is]
studied
to
any
real
degree.
And
as
far
as
I
m
concerned,

[
r~
l
none
have
been
studied
adequately
to
say
this
chemical
is
~
171
safe
and
is
safe
at
this
level
for
people.
It
s
just
not
[
ia]
there.
The
science
is
not
there.

1191
So,
we
re
extrapolating
and
making
conjectures
[
XI]
from
very
limited
knowledge.
And
then
people
such
as
~
211
myself
and
the
people
lhat
you
see
sitting
at
lhis
table
[
22]
have
to
Live
with
those
decisions.
Some
20
years
later
111
MR.
UTLEY:
Good
evening.
I
am
here
primarily
[
2]
because
there
is
a
need.
A
need
for
­
in
business
is
[
3]
either
right
or
it
s
wrong.
And
you
re
in
a
position
to
[
4l
make
those
types
of
decisions.
Right
and
wrong.
It
s
[
s]
wrong
to
assume
a
community
because
of
its
locale,

[
6]
because
of
its
make­
up,
because
of
economic
development
[
7]
It
s
wrong
to
think
that
they
have
no
riced
or
no
care.

[
a]
So,
a
company
or
a
companies
can
come
in
and
dump
and
[
g]
have
no
responsibility.

1'
01
And
I
open
with
that
because
I
come
from
a
[
I
11
community
that
is
bridged
between
NPI.
sites,
Fcdcrnl
[
12]
facility
SKS.
Powerful,
strong
NPL
sites.
Dynamite
SRS.

[
13]
But
it
s
wrong
to
dump
on
communitiesAnd
let
me
just
1141
say
it
s
wrong
to
think
that
conlamination
knows
who
s
iL
,[
15]
dumping
on.
And
I
say
that
because
when
we
look
at
[
is]
environmental
justice
and
we
look
at
who
you
re
hearing
[
17]
now
you
only
see
people
of
color.
But
I
m
here
to
tell
[
ie]
you
that
I
represent
this
afternoon
haIf
of
my
[
I91
community
s
poor
white.

WI
And
we
all
live
across
the
railroad
lracks.
Wc
(
211
aII
grew
up
together.
But
il
s
wrong
to
think
that
al
[
22]
some
point
these
communities
do
no1
come
logcthcr.
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June
l&
ZOO3
~
11
it
was
the
poor
white
community
that
came
to
me.
To
[
z]
inform
me
that
they
were
being
offered
a
silent
payoff
by
[
q
a
potlutant.
Were
you
getting
your
share,
too?

c41
It
s
wrong
when
we
think
that
people
don
t
care
(
51
about
their
children
because
of
their
needs
and
their
(
61
assessment,
because
they
have
so
many
SSTs.
For
those
of
[
7]
you
who
are
not
familiar
that,
that
is
Student
Support
[
a]
Team
IMeetings.
Because
Johnny
just
can
t
learn.

P:
It
s
wrong
to
think
that
no
one
is
going
to
say
[
lo]
anything
because
it
s
a
Federal
government,
but
I
[
I
11
hcsltant
to
tell
you
today
it
s
up
to
you
to
make
it
[
iz]
right.
You
have
the
awesome
responsibility
to
make
it
~
131
right.
And
I
have
to
say
it
because
when
I
look
at
my
1141
own
community,
when
I
look
at
Augusta,
Georgia,
the
home
[
lq
of
the
Masters,
I
m
not
going
to
make
it
women
s
issues
[
16]
bcc:~
usc
that
s
not
my
issue
and
I
was
called
on
that.
My
(
171
issue
was
contamination.

[
I81
When
you
look
at
the
Masters,
you
see
this
1191
glorious,
this
magnificent
course,
but
only
go
through
[
ZOI
Jlyde
J'ark
to
get
to
it.
Jled
carpet
tour
means
that
(
21;
industries
come
in
and
they
II
give
them
a11
the
pz]
attributes
of
a
nice
lovely
city,
but
we
had
to
block
the
Page
575
111
airJ>
ort
in
order
to
get
our
point
across.
You
must
go
[
z]
through
Jiydc
J'ark.
13ut
you
have
to
make
it
right.

PI
And
I
m
just
puzzled
even
as
I
sit
here
today
is
141
how
can
we
assume
second­
hand
smoke
and
put
a
price
on
(
51
it?
`
l'ct
WC'
have
;
I'J`
SI>
H
and
JiPA
who
come
in
and
see
I
have
[
s]
248
known
deaths.
No
assumption.
Ilead
bodies.
But
yet
[
7l
you
tell
me
I
don
t
know
how
it
could
have
happened.
But
[
a]
yet
WC
have
to
make
something
wrong
right.

PI
And
when
we
look
at
even
our
President
has
said,

[
io]
no
child
left
behind
in
education.
What
about
no
(
i
I]
community
left
behind
in
environmental
justice?
When
I
[
12l
look
at
all
of
the
otllcr
things
that
WC
can
assume,
and
1131
cvcn
in
the
last
two
weeks
in
my
own
neighborhood
there
[
14]
was
two
new
sites.
One
was
in
Allen
JIolmes,
which
is
a
[
is]
neighborhood
project.`
J'he
other
wasTrinity
CME
Church
:`
6]
community.
But
rhc
good
news
was
that
they
made
it
1171
right.
Jixxon
said
I
did
it.
Atlanta
J.
ight
and
Company
:
1a]
said
I
did
it.

1191
J%
ut
had
they
not
stood
up
and
made
it
right,
and
[
XI!
JXKI
WC
not
taken
a
stand
anal
made
what
s
wrong
right
by
12
II
doing
what
IS
right
to
another
~
xoplr.
J3y
not
Jrolding
1721
J>
ollutcrs
:~
r~
co~
intahJc.
You
think
you
have
an
NPI.
list
Page
576
[
I]
now,
just
wait
and
see.
When
the
news
get
out
and
121
accountability
stops,
you
ll
have
more
than
you
ever
131
think
you
11
have.
Because
there
s
no
accountability.

[
41
How
to
make
it
right
is
to
make
the
right
[
sl
decisions.
How
to
make
it
right
is
to
stand
and
stand
[
q
boldly
and
proclaim
that
I
m
going
to
stand
for
what
is
171
right.
Make
the
suggestions
that
would
make
it
right.

[
a]
Stand
do
what
is
right
because
it
s
in
your
hands
as
a
[
q
subcommittee
to
make
that
decision.

[
jOI
I
go
to
many
tablesAnd
if
you
notice,
I
hold
[
I
11
two
roles.
One
is,
I
m
chair
of
the
Brownfields
[
IZ]
commission.
And
I
can
teJJ
you
now
it
wasn
t
by
the
,113~
city
s
choice.
I
chair
that
commission
because
the
city
1141
of
Augusta
didn
t
even
know
what
a
Brownfields
was,
but
[
is1
through
the
help
of
God
I
needed
some
help.
So,
I
got
a
(
161
letter
inviting
me
to
a
meeting
in
Pittsburgh.
Turned
[
rr]
out
to
be
a
thing
cllled
Brownfields.

~
I181
I
went
back
and
asked
the
mayor
would
you
just
I191
sign
if
I
could
get
this
project
called
a
Brownfields.

[
zo]
Mayor
(
inaudible)
said
if
you
sign
it,
you
write
it,
I
ll
~
211
sign
it.
Come
to
pass
he
was
out
of
office.
The
next
[
zq
mayor
came
in,
I
asked
him
the
same
thing.
We
told
me
if
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577
(
11
you
write
it,
I
11
sign
it.

(
21
I
went
back
and
I
pulled
the
community
together
1
131
and
I
said
I
think
this
may
be
a
way
out.
But
we
have
a
141
$
700
tnillion
suit
against
Southern
Peak
now.
We
come
to
151
meetings
in
little
hitty
trucks
like
mine
and
they
come
[
6]
in
leer
jcts.
That
s
been
going
on
about
12
years.
But
[
71
I
said
I
think
we
have
some
release.

PI
And
what
happened
was
that
we
wrote
the
grant
(
91
and
it
s
the
only
Federal
Brownfields
grant
ever
written
[
IO]
by
a
community
and
funded.
But
it
shocked
even
the
city
[
I
i]
of
Augusta,
because
they
said
aJJ
we
need
you
for,
you
[
IZ]
being
a
preacher,
is
just
be
our
advisor.
So,
then
I
had
[
13l
to
show
them
that
I
not
onJy
was
preacher,
but
I
came
[
IJ]
from
across
the
tracks.
So,
I
had
to
go
in
and
pull
in
1151
the
political
arena
when
I
shouldn
t
have
to
do
that.

1161
Simply
brcausc
to
make
something
right
that
wanted
to
be
[
t
ij
wrong.

JW
WC
have
now
one
of
the
best
cleanup
sites,
but
[
IQ]
yet
we
have
a
lot
of
sick
people.
Coming
to
the
table
(
201
and
talking
is
good,
but
we
have
come
to
table
with
an
(
211
action
plan.
And
otic
of
the
principals
of
Environmental
i
~
221
Justice.
number
sewn
says
that
WC
demand
the
right
of
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[
I]
participation
as
equal
partners
in
ever
level
of
decision
[
z]
making.
Including
those
assessments,
planning,

131
implementation,
and
also
evaluation.
And
I
m
here
to
[
4]
tell
you
I
m
here
to
evaluate
you.
I
want
to
make
sure
ls]
that
you
re
doing
what
you
need
to
be
doing
to
make
it
161
right.
I
don
t
come
with
a
big
gun
to
scare
anybody.
I
[
7]
only
come
to
tell
you
that
you
have
a
lot
of
131
responsibility.
And
this
is,
you
must
stand
and
bc
131
woman.
Stand
and
be
men.
Not
only
for
my
community,
but
[
IO]
for
the
sake
of
aII
generations
to
come.
[
I]
Corporation
and
Hands
Across
the
River
here
in
New
[
2]
Bedford.
Several
others.
I
ve
worked
on
the
Escambia
[
3]
Superfund
Site,
the
Del
Amo
Superhtnd
Site,
the
Montrosc
[
4]
Superfund
Site,
Lhe
Newsome
Brothers
Superfund
Site,
and
[
5]
the
BayView
Hunters
Point
Superfund
Site
in
San
[
6]
Francisco.

[
I
11
For
I
got
a
notice
in
my
mail
with
my
water
bill
[
IZ]
last
week.
And
in
closing
it
said
to
me
that
I
want
you
1131
to
be
aware
that
we
have
found
that
there
is
[
14]
contamination
in
your
drinking
water.
I
simply
closed
[
is]
the
letter
up
and
as
a
matter
of
fact
I
shredded
it.

[
WI
That
s
all
you
need
to
look
at
where
you
re
pumping
from.

113
You
re
pumping
it
from
Southern
Wood
Piedmont
Well
out
by
[~
a]
56.
When
I
brought
that
to
the
commission
some
10
years
(
191
ago
you
thought
it
was
only
for
that
geographical
area,

[
zo]
and
you
kept
on
drinking.

1211
Buthnhere
to
tell
you
it
knows
no
race,

1221
creed,
or
colorAll
it
knows
is
death
and
destruction.
­
L71
There
are
many
people
in
the
environmental
[
a]
justice
community
that
think
they
see
Lhe
handwriting
on
[
a]
the
wallThey
think
they
see
all
funding
going
Lo
IO]
Brownfields
and
no
matter
how
much
smoke
and
mirrors
you
I
I]
use
to
mess
with
the
numbers,
Superfund
is
getting
less
121
and
Brownfields
is
getting
more,
and
it
s
going
toward
131
redevelopment.
And
so
there
are
many
people
in
the
141
Environmental
Justice
community
that
see
lhis
151
subcommittee
as
having
been
organized
to
organize
the
161
deck
tiers
on
theTitanic.
There
are
people
in
lhe
171
Environmental
Justice
comm~
tnity
that
believe
that
1.31
someone,
somew
rl
crc
in
that
great
conspiratorial
them
have
191
decided
that
both
Superfund
and
Environmental
Justice
s
201
day
is
done,
it
s
Li/
nc
is
gone.

211
But
1
want
you
to
understand
that
Superftmd
and
221
Environmental
Justice
are
two
concepts
that
are
Page
579
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581
111
Either
we
fur
it
now
making
something
right
that
s
very
Lz]
wrong,
or
we
suffer
the
consequences
in
life
to
come.

(
31
Thank
you,
very
much.

(
41
MS.
McCLAIN:
Our
next
speaker
will
be
Michael
IS]
from
the
great
state
of
New
Jersey.

161
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
Can
you
all
hear
me?

I;
1
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Get
a
little
closer.

PI
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
It
s
always
a
pleasure
for
me
to
131
come
back
to
New
Bedford.
I
was
born
in
Boston,
but
this
[
lo]
really
my
ancestral
home.
My
grandparents
are
buried
[
ii]
here
['
21
It
s
also
an
honor
to
be
invited
to
speak
Lo
~
131
you,
because
I
feel
your
pain.
I
m
an
consultant
in
[
14]
private
practice
in
New
Jersey.
I
ve
dedicated
myself
to
[
IS]
working
the
issues
where
the
rubber
meets
Lhc
road.
So,

[
16]
I
vc
worked
the
issue
of
fence
line
between
the
community
[
17]
and
the
contaminated
site
for
the
operating
facility.

[
IE]
So,
as
a
consultant
I
have
worked
for,
among
others,
Dow
1191
Cl~
cmicaI,
Shell
Oil,
Texaco,
Continental
Oil,
FENA,

[
20]
DuPont.
I
ve
also
worked
directly
for
CiLizens
Against
]
zt]
Toxic
Exposure
in
Pensacola,
Del
Amo
Action
Committee
in
[
22]
Los
Angeles,
the
Old
Bedford
Village
Development
[
q]
inextricably
woven.
As
has
been
mcnlioned
to
you
before
I
[
z]
because
of
segregation,
because
of
zoning
laws
that
were
[
3]
made
with
no
community
participation,
because
of
the
[
4]
disenfranchisement
of
communities,
Lhe
majority
of
pcoplc
[
s]
who
live
next
to
NPL
sites
ate
poor
people
and
people
01
161
color.
And
so
when
Environmental
Justice
becomes,
oh
p]
it
s
a
difficult
subject,
oh
it
s
so
touchy.
Well
it
131
sounds
like
quotas
to
me,
because
when
your
rubber
meets
[
3]
the
road,
when
you
decide
who
s
going
to
get
the
money
Lo
(
IO]
cleanup,
and
you
re
going
to
hdve
to
decide
whelher
or
[
I
I]
not
EJ
equals
a
bump
up
compared
Lo
another
site
equally
[
12]
as
dirty
that
s
not
an
EJ
communiLy,
Lhc
rubber
s
going
[
13]
to
meet
the
rodd.
And
somebody
s
going
to
say
it
s
[
14]
quotds.
There
s
a
feeling
in
the
kdnd
that
there
is
an
[
Ls]
agenda
afooL
Lo
dcnudc,
rcconslruct
Superfund
[
I61
And
the
reasons
why
your
jobs
are
dillicull
is
[
17]
because
­
I
guess
you
ve
noticed
­
is
you
rc
taking
[
ia]
your
time.
Yeah,
yore
rc
being
paid
by
your
corporations
[
iq
to
be
here.
Thdt
s
hnc.
Rut
you
rc
taking
your
lime
[
20]
out
of
­
you
could
be
writing
a
report
Lo
be
hcrc
And
[
21]
you
like
to
look
at
Lhis
think
dispassionately.
You
like
[
22]
to
look
at
it
logically
Y~
LI
like
Lo
say,
well
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[
I]
withrn
the
realm
of
what
s
doable
in
terms
of
the
121
legislation.
What
s
the
mandate?
What
s
the
funding
131
parameters?
Let
s
make
it
real
clear
and
technical
and
(
41
get
something
done,
and
then
you
re
comforted
with
these
151
people
who
have
feelingsThat
s
because
ail
of
us
[
6]
sitting
here
­
they
tell
me
living
in
New
Jersey
­
I
171
found
the
built
in
1740
in
Marlboro,
New
Jersey.
And
it
[
a]
happens
to
be,
well
kind
of
near
Burnt
Fly.
But
they
say
[
9]
in
New
Jersey
you
can
t
even
find
a
house
that
s
further
[
ia]
than
10
milts
from
a
Superhind
site.

1111
So,
I
m
tired,
we
rc
tired,
of
people
getting
[
tz]
together
who
have
the
opportunity
to
influence
policy
to
(
131
sit
around
Ihe
table
and
argue
about
who
shot
John.
Did
(
141
he
get
shot
with
a
.45
or
was
it
a
.38?
John
has
been
[
is]
shot.
John
is
at
OLIN
l'eet
blceding.
And
the
question
is
1161
what
are
we
going
to
do
about
John?
What
are
we
going
to
117)
do
;~
bout
Superfund?
What
are
we
going
to
do
about
these
[
rel
communities?

I'
91
Now,
community
involvement
is
critical.
If
any
[
zo]
of
you
arc
not
clear
why
early
and
mcaningl'ul
community
[
zr]
involvement
is
important
during
decision
making,
the
[
zz]
planning,
before
the
RMI,
the
land
use
decisions,
in
[
i]
I%
edford.
Now,
it
s
not
a
plaque.
If
I
m
the
mayor
of
a
~
21
city
and
I
m
looking
at
a
Superfund
redevelopment
(
31
project,
or
a
Brownfields
redevelopment
project
and
I
m
~
41
trying
to
think
what
is
in
the
best
interest
of
my
[
sl
community,
I
ll
make
certain
decisions.
But
the
(
61
Environmental
Justice
communities
want
you
to
know
that
[
71
there
is
a
difference
between
community
and
near
181
neighbor.
So
that
when
you
read
the
word
community,
WC
191
want
it
lo
bc
saying
near
neighbor.
Because
as
it
will
[
IO]
come
as
no
surprise
to
you
what
is
of
the
best
interest
[
i
11
to
the
city
council
of
a
metropolitan
area
is
not
[
IZ]
necessarily
in
the
best
interest
of
the
neighborhood
that
[
13]
has
borne
the
brunt
of
the
pollution
in
the
first
place.

I[
141
And
they
ve
disenfranchised.
But,
weIl
we
talked
to
~
151
their
assemblymen.
Yeah,
you
know,
and
I
think
we
had
'
[
i6]
our
people
at
the
call
center
make
a
couple
of
calls.

[
ITI
That
s
not
meaningful
community
involvement.

1181
Superlund
also
provides
for
what
s
called
the
[
i9]
technical
assislance
grant
to
go
to
a
community.
Part
of
(
201
the
notion
behind
community
involvement
is
that
if'
you
re
~
211
talking
about
parts
per
million,
or
you
re
talking
about
[
zz]
dredging
the
beloved
(
inaudible),
and
you
really
do
want
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585
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terms
of
the
community
involvement
in
assessing
the
[
I]
to
do
good
community
involvement.
And
you
ask
a
(
21
progress
in
a
sense
of
completion
of
the
sites.
And
[
zl
neighborhood
residence
to
come
and
participate
with
you
:
a]
cspccially
in
terms
of
redevelopment
relocation,
then
you
[
3]
if
they
don
t
know
how
to
translate
the
technical
jargon.

141
need
to
ask
questions
of
LIS
during
the
period
of
lime
[
4]
If
they
don
t
know
how
to
interpret
the
reports.
If
they
is]
when
WC
will
bc
interacting.
(:
ommunity
involvement
is
[
5]
don
t
know
what
you
left
out
and
ain
t
telling
them,
then
16)
critical.
It
s
critical
for
a
lot
of
reasons,
but
not
171
the
Icast
of
which
is
that
within
the
agencies
and
within
!
8]
the
I'RP
community
if
thcrc
is
in
fact
some
effort
done
at
[
9]
facilitating
meaningful
community
involvement,
there
will
[
IO]
be
a
learning
curve.
We
will
not
keep
making
the
same
!
i
I]
mistakes
rhal
WC
re
making.
So
make
sure
that
you
keep
[
iz]
and
srrcnglhcn
the
community
involvcmcnt.

[`
Z
Now,
lirst
thing
yolk
have
to
do
is
define
[
I.$]
community.
IGzcausc
I
have
clicnls
all
over
the
country
[
is]
and
loo
often
what
I
m
seeing
is
that
when
it
Wters
(
161
down
to
Lhc
SLdlC
:
Ind
hCal
kVC1,
COmnlLlnity
inVOhment
[
I­/
I
nxxw
putting
a
flier
up
or
notice
in
the
newspaper
[`
B]
talkmg
about
WC
rc
going
to
have
meeting,
or
we
had
a
1191
meeting
and
Lhis
is
what
we
decided.

PO1
And
another
thing
that
happens
and
it
happens
(
211
right
hcrc
in
New
Hedford.
and
Tufts
Ilnivcrsity
has
done
[
zn]
a
study
that
looked
at
community
involvcmcnt
in
New
161
you
vc
just
given
lip
service
and
made
a
charade
out
of
[
7]
the
whole
notion
of
community
involvement.

I81
So
I
want
you
to
make
sure
that
you
underline
191
ancl
strengthen
the
technical
advisor
grant
aspect
of
the
[
lo]
Superfund.
And
I
also
want
you
to
expand
it,
because
now
[
i
11
Superfund
is
now
and
more
because
of
the
cost
writeoff
[
12]
and
the
balancing
they
re
talking
redevelopment
now
with
[
131
NIX
sites.
And
so
you
have
to
also
create
a
category
of
1141
advisor
to
the
community
in
the
area
of
redevelopment
and
[
i
51
rclocaliott.

r1
.
Now
while
we
re
on
the
option
of
relocation,
I
1171
can
t
tell
you
how
many
sites
I
ve
been
to
that
I
ve
[
is]
worked
on
where
relocation
was
deemed
necessary.

1191
IIomeowncrs
were
nickeled
and
dimed
for
their
properties.

[
ZO]
Anybody
ever
go
to
Pensacola?
Nickeled
and
dimcd
for
[
zi!
their
propcrtics.
And
in
fact,
in
Pensacola
everybody
,
[
221
who
ow~
xxl
a
rent
house
lost
money
because
of
the
way
the
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588
[
I]
Uniform
Relocation
Assistance
Act,
which
is
not
in
your
[
zl
purview
I
understand,
is
written.
hd
turn
around
and
[
3]
hand
that
land
over,
EPA
hands
it
over
to
the
Escambia
(
41
County.
Escambia
County
has
a
little
cabal
of
[
5]
developers.
And
then
somebody
now
who
is
living
in
a
[
s]
house
that
they
had
to
build
in
that
area
during
[
7]
segregation,
because
they
couldn
t
live
anywhere
else
in
[
a]
Escambia
County
if
they
wanted
to
stay
together
or
they
[
q
didn
t
want
to
live
in
the
quarters,
are
now
living
in
[
IO]
neighborhoods
that
have
higher
crime,
higher
drugs,
worse
[
I
I]
schools
than
when
they
left.
And
when
they
drive
back
[
IZ]
around
the
new
redeveloped
area
­
so
there
s
got
to
be
[
13]
some
parody
put
in
here.

[
I41
I
sit
also
on
the
acting
vice
chairman
of
the
[
15]
Waste
and
Facility
Siting
Subcommittee
of
NEJAC,
trying
[
16]
to
fill
Veronica
s
old
shoes.
I
also
am
the
chairman
of
~
171
the
Superfond,
Brownfields,
and
Black
Land
Loss
Committee
[
18]
of
the
National
Black
Environmental
Justice
Network.

[
19]
We
re
looking
for
you
guys
to
­
I
heard
you
this
1201
morning.
I
clearly
heard
you.
The
issues
are
tough.

~
211
And
they
re
not
black
and
white.
And
we
re
going
%&
y
~
221
things,
we
re
going
to
use
a
phrase
­
then
you
re
going
111
Homeowners
have
issues.
Tenants
have
issues.

!
(
21
In
Long
Branch,
New
Jersey,
right
now
there
s
a
huge
[
3]
issues.
There
s
a
cleaning
up
a
New
Jersey
coal
gas
[
4]
conversion
site.
And
there
are
citizens
living
in
public
(
51
housing
that
happen
to
be
two
blocks
away
from
the
beach
[
s]
on
the
Jersey
shore
that
are
just
summarily
being
[
7]
relocated
with
no
input
whatsoever.
And
the
cost
of
[
a]
housing
is
so
high
in
Mammoth
County
where
I
live
that
[
q
they
re
talking
about
these
people
who
have
been
living
[
IO]
here
for
30
years
being
relocated
to
Ocean
County
or
some
[
ii]
other
parts
of
New
Jersey.
And
again,
with
no
say
in
it.

[
I21
Funding.
You
ve
got
to
do
something
about
the
I
[
i3]
transaction
costs.
And
I
know
I
m
just
going
to
make
[
14]
some
enemies
when
I
use
the
term
polluter
pays.
But
mc,

1151
Michael,
if
you
could
figure
out
a
way
to
stop
all
these
[
16]
damn
transaction
costs
that
are
taking
all
the
money
out
[
IT]
of
the
Superfund
system,
money
that
could
be
going
into
[
ia]
the
cleanup
of
my
communities,
and
guarantee
this,
I
[
ig]
think
that
people
ought
to
be
willing
to
put
polluter
1201
pays
on
the
table
in
exchange.
Now,
I
m
going
to
get
[
21]
into
heaps
of
trouble
for
"
dying
that,
but
that
s
how
1
~
221
feel
and
so
I
said
it.

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587
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589
[
I]
to
use
a
phrase
that
s
going
to
offend
me
and
by
god
I
m
[>
I
Look
to
the
insurance
industry.
I
used
to
work
121
going
to
use
one
that
s
going
to
offend
you.
And
that
s
[
2]
for
Prudential.
And
we
made
a
whole
gang
of
money
[
3]
just
the
fact
of
the
matter.
That
s
how
this
thing
gets
[
3]
relocating
communities
away
from
Superfund
sites
and
(
41
down.
But
you
can
t
back
away
from
the
tough
issues.
[
4]
industrial
facilities,
because
it
lowers
the
risk
at
the
[
5]
You
cannot
back
away.
There
are
too
many
powerless
[
5]
site.
The
companies
get
a
windcall
in
returns,
in
[
s]
people.
And
you
might
be
busting
your
chops
trying
to
[
6]
reductions
of
their
property
and
casualty
insurance.

p]
make
it
right
for
them,
and
they
sit
around,
turn
around
[
q
There
s
a
lot
of
creative
thinking.

[
o]
and
call
you
and
say
stop
patronizing
me,
or
this
is
not
PI
So
let
s
stop
shouting
at
each
other
across
the
[
g]
in
loco
parentis,
I
can
speak
for
myself
even
when
I
191
fence
line.
Let
s
stop
assuming
that
you
know
what
I
m
[
lo]
can
t.
I
want
to
encourage
you
to
stay
to
fight
the
[
IO]
going
to
say
because
I
m
an
environmcntalist.
And
I
ll
[
ii]
tough
issues.
[
ii]
stop
assuming
that
I
know
what
you
rc
going
to
say
[
I
21
Finally,
we
need
to
look
at
the
issues
of
[
12]
because
you
re
industry.
Let
s
look
for
new,
creative,

[
13]
gentrification
and
displacement
that
seem
to
bc
coming
1131
innovative
ways
to
face
these
problems.
If
it
can
be
(
141
part
and
parcel
who
the
whole
redevelopment
thrust.
[
14]
done,
I
hope
to
God
that
you
all
are
the
folks
that
can
~
151
There
is
this
cabal,
the
more
you
devolve
Superfund
~
[
ISI
do
it.
Thank
you,
very
much.

[
16]
authority
to
the
states,
the
more
you
are
condemning
poor
`
It61
MS.
McCLAIN:
Thank
you.
lind
our
Teal
speaker
~
171
and
disenfranchised
communities
to
being
destroyed.
It
s
(
171
is
Dr.
Veronica
Eady
from
Tufts
University.

[
lsl
happening
aI1
over
the
country.
In
fact,
our
1181
MS.
EADY:
I
m
not
going
to
take
up
much
of
your
jjsl
subcommittee
of
NEJAC
is
doing
a
study
right
now
called,
1191
time,
because
this
is
just
a
cameo
appearance.
I
wasn
t
1201
The
Unintended
Impact
Study,
to
look
exactly
at
those
po]
expecting
to
talk.

[
21]
issues
that
Superfund
and
Brownfields
rcdevelopmcnt
PII
I
m
Veronica
Eddy.
I
m
the
Acting­
chair
of
the
1221
sites.
~
221
National
Environmental
Justice
Advisory
Council.
And
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ve
been
doing
that
since
January.
Before
that
for
the
~
21
last
two
or
three
years
I
ve
been
the
Chair
of
the
Waste
(
31
and
Facility
Siting
Subcommittee.

141
You
ve
heard
a
lot
from
these
panelists,
and
I
~
51
don
t
think
that
I
can
say
anything
that
they
ve
said
any
161
better.
I
just
want
to
share
a
couple
of
things
with
ir]
you.
First
of
:
iIl
a
story.
I
was
sitting
in
my
office
[
a]
yesterday
and
I
got
a
call
from
a
residence
in
the
city
[
s]
of
Mauldcn,
which
is
not
too
far
from
here
in
[
IO]
Massachusctts.
And
he
was
concerned
about
his
neighbors.

11
II
Because
his
neighbors
who
moved
recently
from
the
town
of
1121
IIolliston
a
number
of
them
have
cancer
called
osteo­

[
ISI
sarcoma,
a
bone
cancer
I
understand.
I
m
not
a
doctor.

1141
Anyway,
the
town
of
Holliston
is
just
south
of
a
1151
Superfund
site
in
Ashland
called
Niansa
(
phonetic).
And
(
16;
evidently
this
family
is
from
a
neighborhood
where
a
lot
~
171
pcoplc
have
this
same
type
of
cancer.
Nso,
evidently
[
ia]
this
type
OF
cancer
is
related
to
some
of
the
chemicals
[
19]
of
the
Niansa
site.

WI
It
really
concerns
me
that
­
and
this
is
the
121)
second
time
that
I
vc
talked
to
this
man.
It
concerns
me
(
221
that
residents
arc
calling
mc.
I
just
teach
at
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111
Rut
it
s
an
uphill
battle.
I
spent
six
years
as
[
ZJ
an
enforcement
attorney
at
EPA.
Two
years
in
region
8
[
a]
and
4
years
in
region
9.
And
I
know
from
experience
that
[
41
even
government
lawyers
have
an
imbalance
of
power,
which
[
5]
is
part
of
the
problem
with
Superfund
and
all
of
the
lq
litigation
that
takes
decades,
and
decades,
and
decades.

(
71
Is
there
s
this
incredible
imbalance
of
power.
We
need
~
81
to
acknowledge
it
and
move
forward
from
there.

PI
I
want
to
remind
you
all,
and
I
m
sure
in
your
[
IO]
many
meetings
you
ve
talked
about
this,
but
when
I
teach
[
T
11
my
classes
at
`
Tufts,
and
one
of
the
classes
I
teach
is
on
i
[
IZ]
Environmental
Justice,
I
Iike
to
refer
my
students
to
the
[
q
National
Law
Journal
Article
in
1992
by
La
Vale
and
Koyle
~
141
(
phonetic).
And
if
you
haven
t
reviewed
that
article
[
ISI
lately,
it
would
be
a
really
good
article
to
review,

(
161
because
those
two
journalists
talked
about
how
EPA
1171
addressed
contamination
issues
and
Superfund
issues
in
[
IS]
communities
of
color
and
low
income
communitiesAnd
[
is]
through
those
two
reporters,
we
heard
about
how
the
[
zo]
remedies
we
re
as
good,
the
penalties
we
re
as
high,
and
[
211
al1
manner
of
things.
Very
important
article.

I221
And
when
we
hear
panelists
talk
about
I
~~
~~
­­~­.­~­

[
II
university.
I
m
not
a
part
of
the
government.
I
m
not
[
z]
part
ofcnforccmcnt.
Rut
this
person
had
spoken
to
the
131
EPA
on
scvcral
occasions.
IIc
d
spoken
lo
the
State
[
41
1)
rpartment
ol~
I~
nvironmental
Protection.
No
one
was
:
s!
will!
ng
to
test
the
wells
on
the
Niansa
site
on
the
south
IS]
side
of
the
site
to
see
if
there
was
any
migration
of
171
chemicals
towards
this
neighborhood
in
IIolliston.
He
[
a]
cvcn
engaged
elected
officials,
members
of
the
[
9]
legislature
who
were
also
trying
to
help
him
gel
testing
[
lo]
done
for
this
community
in
IIoIliston.

II
`
I
And
I
think
that
this
story
speaks
a
lot
to
the
[
iz]
issue
of
imbalance
of
power.
While
Superfund
may
not
be
~
131
a
statue
of
retribution,
is
that
what
WC
said?
It
does
1141
assqn
blame.
Ilut
apart
from
assigning
blame,
I
think
(
151
that
it
5
imporlant
to
realize
lhat
communities
are
an
[
16]
important
part
of
the
equation
and
no
matter
how
hard
we
~
171
try
thcrc
is
an
uncomfortable
imbalance
of
power.

:~
a]
(;
ommunities
are
not
at
the
table
on
equal
fboting.
And
[
is]
in
addition
to
that,
many
communities
and
of
course
many
1201
of
the
ones
WC
vc
spoken
about,
can
t
afford
to
hire
PI]
lawycrs.
And
can
t
afford
to
hire
scientists.
I
think
1721
it
s
Imporlant
to
acknowledge
that.
Page
59
1
/

'
[
rI
institutional
controls
and
warning
about
institutional
121
controls
and
also
about
public
participation,
it
s
131
important
to
rake
this
subcommittee
as
an
opportunity
to
[
4]
look
at
some
of
these
things
that
we
ve
learned
about
[
51
Environmental
Justice
over
the
years,
and
some
of
the
[
q
things
that
steps
thal
EPA
has
taken
over
the
years.
And
(
71
to
make
sure
that
these
things
are
being
addressed.

PI
FinaIIy,
I
just
want
to
remind
you
and
I
m
sure
191
you
know
about
this,
too.
A
value
to
some
of
the
[
to]
resources
at
the
NEJACYou
know,
you
have
three
really
[
II]
important
members
of
this
subcommittee
here
who
are
[
iz]
resources
for
you.
Wilma
Subra
who
was
co­
chair
of
our
[
ISI
working
group
on
pollution
prevention.
And
the
NEJAC
is
[
141
about
to
come
out
and
finalize
that
report
on
pollution
[
is]
prevention.
Please
engage
Wilma
and
have
a
look
at
the
1161
report
as
soon
as
we
release
it.
And
right
now
the
1
[
I
71
executive
council
is
voting
on
it?
so
it
s
really
a
1
[
rsI
matter
of
days
and
not
more
than
a
couple
of
weeks
that
111
I
L
9
we
II
have
this
report
coming
out
on
pollution
I
[
zo]
prevention.`
lhis
is
an
opportunity,
again,
to
give
EPA
[
21]
more
advise
on
pollution
prevention,
and
really
[
zz]
tmdcrscorc
some
of
the
messages
that
EPA
s
getting
from
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i]
NEJAC.

PI
Finally
­
well,
not
fmally,
we
have
Dr.

[
3]
Mildred
McClain,
who
as
you
know,
or
may
know,
1
hope
you
[
4l
know,
is
Chair
of
the
Federal
Facilities
Working
Group
[
s]
within
NEJAC.
She
s
an
incredible
resourceAnd
of
[
s]
course,
Federal
Facilities
is
something
we
re
concerned
m
about
across
the
country
with
respect
to
Superfund.

PI
And
fmally
Sue
Briggum
who
co­
chairs
the
work
[
s]
group
on
cumulative
impacts.
Is
that
what
it
s
called,

[
lo]
Sue?
It
s
called
so
many
different
things.
Cumulative
(
1
i]
impacts,
cumulative
exposure,
alI
of
these
different
[
IZ]
things.
But
anyway,
as
you
know,
Sue
has
been
involved
~
131
with
the
NEJAC
for
a
long
time.
We
continue
to
look
to
~
141
her
as
an
expert.
The
cumulative
impacts
working
group
115~
is
just
getting
started,
but
it
has
a
host
of
experts
in
[
16]
the
field
from
a
variety
of
stakeholder
groups.
And
this
[
17]
is
also
an
opportunity
for
NEJAC
and
this
NACEPT
[
IS]
subcommittee
to
come
together
and
to
share
some
of
the
[
lg]
resources
and
really
build
up
off
of
each
other
in
the
[
zo]
messages
that
we
re
sending
to
EPA.
[
I]
that
I
consistently
heard
we
re
talking
a
pcoplc
issue.

[
2]
This
just
isn
t
chemicals
in
the
ground
or
chemicals
in
(
31
the
air.
This
is
a
people
issue,
and
it
s
how
those
[
4l
chemicals
impact
­

[
51
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END
OF
TAPE)

PI
MS.
ROBINSON:
­
on
this
committee
to
make
good
(
71
recommendations
to
EPA
and
looking
to
EPA
to
do
a
better
[
a]
job
of
administering
this
program
and
getting
it
down.

[
g]
And
of
course
we
recognize
limitations
here
that
we
can
t
IO]
ask
you
to
go
talk
to
Congress,
but
in
a
way
we
can.
Yo~~

I
11
have
a
way
you
can
do
that.
But
the
message
needs
to
get
121
out.
There
need
to
be
come
changes
in
Superfund.

131
Superfund
must
be
saved.
I
really
think
those
are
the
141
message
that
I
was
hearing.

I[
151
MS.
HERRERA:
Veronica,
I
m
going
to
go
ahead
I[
is]
and
call
on
you,
again.
I
know
you
just
spoke,
but
I
d
[
i7]
like
you
to
give
us
your
rap.

(
211
That
s
all
I
m
going
to
say
for
now.
I
[
zz]
appreciate
you
all,
Dr.
McClain,
Dolores,
for
inviting
me
._
_~
_.._
~~~
[
Ial
MS.
EADY:
Okby,
well.
I
don
t
what
else
I
can
[
tg]
say.
I
do
think
thqt
the
panelists
had
a
lot
to
offer
in
[
20]
amazing
message
b:
.
And
if
I
may
just
say
that
Florence
s
(
211
PowerPoint
pres$
nLation
was
excellent.
There
s
a
panel
'[
22]
of
experts
here,
abd
I
don
t
think
that
there
s
anything
ibid
.~~~~.

Page
595
[
i]
to
be
on
this
panel,
and
you
alI
for
allowing
me
to
speak
[
2]
and
take
up
your
time.
Thank
you.

[
31
MS.
McCLAIN:
Now
you
can
Ckdp.

L41
(
Applause.)

El
MS.
McCLAIN:
I
m
a
teacher,
so
I
think
you
can
[
6]
do
a
little
bit
better
than
that
for
the
breath
of
171
information
that
you
ve
received
this
afternoon.
Let
s
[
a]
try
that
again.

PI
(
Applause.)

1101
MS.
McCLAIN:
I
know
why
Mel
stood
up,
because
[
II]
one
of
his
points
was
underscored.
I
saw
him
he
went
~
121
yes,
yes,
yes.
Now
we
re
going
to
open.
We
have
about
[
13]
45,50
minutes
left
for
questions,
for
comments,
for
(
141
feedback
on
what
you
heard,
points
of
clarity,
points
of
[
is]
support,
whichever.
And
I
m
going
to
turn
this
session
[
IB]
back
over
to
sister
Dotores.
Thank
you
so
much
for
[
i
71
attention.

1181
MS.
HERRERA:
I
m
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
jjg]
with
the
panel
and
have
you
comment
on
your
collcagucs,

~
201
brothers
and
sisters
of
the
day.
Did
you
want
to
start,
­

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597
[
i]
more
that
I
could
say
as
a
professor
or
an
advisor
lo
EPA
[
z]
that
could
accentuate
what
they
ve
said.

131
I
do
just
want
to
add
one
more
CoIlllllCnt
that
1
[
4]
forgot
to
add.
In
a
former
life
I
wds
a
policy
maker
for
[
6]
the
state
of
Massachusetts,
the
Commonwealth
of
[
6]
Massachusetts.
And
during
those
three
years
that
I
spent
[
7]
there
I
saw
a
lot
of
access
to
the
governor
and
access
to
:
[
a]
members
in
the
governor
s
cabinet.
I
just
want
to
[
g]
underscore
again
on
the
issue
of
power
that
it
s
just
not
[
IO]
getting
the
EPA
to
do
what
you
want
them
to
do.
Or
to
[
I
I]
get
industry
or
the
PKPs
to
do
what
you
want
them
to
do
1121
It
s
not
just
an
issue
of,
you
know,
getting
the
site
[
13]
cleaned
up
and
all
of
that.
But
it
s
also
an
issue
to
[
14]
access
to
senior
level
officials
and
decision
makers.

[
is]
It
s
not
just
about
being
able
to
hire
a
lawyer.
I
saw
a
[
16]
tot
of
access
to
senior
policy
makers,
decision
makers,

[
17]
cabinet
level
people,
and
the
govcrnor.
And
vcrp
few
01
[
ia]
those
people
wcrc
community
people.

[
191
As
you
move
forward
with
your
subcommittee
I
,[
20]
think
that
we
need
to
rcmcmbcr
that
­
1
think
it
was
[
21]
Florence,
and
maybe
give
us
some
comments
on
what
your
­
[
21]
Florcncc
who
mentioned
that
thcrc
few
grassroots
WI
MS.
ROBINSON:
I
think
that
some
of
the
things
I
.
1221
community
people
on
here.
And
so,
the
grassroots
people
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11
who
are
here.
the
environmental
people
who
are
here,
but
[
II
community
admiring
them.
In
the
wintertime
these
big
(
21
also
everybody
else
has
a
real
obligation
to
make
sure
[
z]
tall
greens
and
saying
I
wish
I
had
some
of
those.
(
31
that
we
arc
addressing
the
ir,
terest
of
people.
We
re
all
131
People
stopped
growing
gardens.
Why?
Because
their
food
141
people
and
WC
re
all
residents,
md
anyone
of
us
could
be
[
41
was
contaminated.
It
was
making
them
sick.
They
would
[
s]
in
a
situation
where
we
re
exposed.
Let
s
not
let
that
ISI
cat
it
and
they
would
actually
get
sick.
We
re
swamp
[
s]
happen.
Let
s
try
to
look
through
the
lens
of
the
[
s]
community.
People
depend
on
that
swamp
for
food.
17)
residents.
(
71
I
had
a
next
door
neighbor.
This
man
had
two
PI
MS.
HERRERA:
Michael
and
then
Charles,
please.
[
a]
freezers.
One
freezer
was
filled
with
game.
The
other
PI
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
The
only
thing
I
want
to
[
gl
was
filled
with
fish.
He
grew
a
wonderful
garden
during
[
IO]
underscore
I
don
t
how
or
whether
or
not
we
ve
been
[
IO]
the
summertime.
He
and
his
wife
went
to
the
store
to
by
[
I
11
SUCCCSS~~
JI
:
JI
getting
this
whole
notion
of
Environmental
[
I
I]
things
like
flour
and
sugar
and
salt.
It
was
important
[
12]
Juslicc
off
the
page
for
YOU
as
a
concept.
And
giving
(
1121
for
subsistence
for
our
community.
And
that
is
true
of
~
131
you
some
sense
why
it
s
on
the
paper
and
how
critically
[
Ki]
many,
many,
many
of
the
people
of
color
communities.
~
141
important
it
is.
That
s
rcaIIy
what
I
would
my
goal
to
(
141
That
land
that
has
become
contaminated
is
important
to
[
isI
be
In
my
career
I
ve
done
a
lot
of
cross­
cultural
[
is]
them
for
many,
many
reasons.
And
when
it
is
not
cleaned
(
161
Stuff.
And
I
know
that
people
have
differcnl
[
is]
up,
it
s
very
hard
to
tell
a
person
like
I
m
showing
you
1171
communication
styles
and
people
within
certain
cultures
~
71
those
signs
in
that
swamp.
It
s
very
hard
to
tell
people
~
181
see
certain
behaviors
as
valuable
and
valid
and
others
[
la]
20
from
now
you
can
expect
to
get
cancer
from
eating
fish
i:
g]
not
so
valuable
and
not
so
valid.
It
s
sort
of
like
I
m
Ii91
out
of
that
lake.
They
can
understand
stepping
off
the
1201
sLJrc
you
vc
all
experienced
on
here
the
academicians
have
[
zo]
corner
and
about
to
get
hit
by
an
18
wheeler.
But
it
s
[
zi]
:
J
rulrlJre,
corporate
types
have
a
culture,
activists
have
(
211
very
diflicult
to
comprehend
some
danger
that
will
not
~
221
a
culture.
BLJt
I
want
to
somehow
make
sure
that
we
ve
­­.­
­__
­_­­
.­
.~~
`
1221
show
itself
until
many
years
later.
So,
people
continue
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599
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601
[
I]
s~~
cccssfully
­
because
you
hate
lo
think
that
it
s
just
[
r]
to
fish
in
that
Iake.
And
they
continue
to
eat
the
fish.
121
becoming
scJ­
vicc.
Oh
yeah,
oh
boy,
gosh,
we
didn
t
have
[
z]
These
are
not
sports
fishermen.
~
31
:
Jn
I:
J
panel
yet,
why
don
1
we
do
one
in
New
Bedford.
[
31
It
was
made
very
real
to
the
people
of
Baton
I41
II
s
really
critically
important.
And
it
s
not
[
41
Ilouge
when
:
Jn
EPA
oversight
manager
reported
over
a
151
XX!'
fi)
r
the
policy
w;
Jlks.
It
s
not
the
first
thing
Ihe
(
51
thousand
of
crawfish
being
taken
out
of
that
lake
161
legislators
are
going
to
ask
YOU
about
when
I3'
A
goes
161
everyday.
Now
that
ain
t
going
home
to
that
table.
[
7]
bcli~
rc
them
with
a
redesign
of
Superfund.
Bul
if
leave
p]
it
oiJt.
you
II
get
gone.

PI
MS.
HERRERA:
Thank
you,
Mich:
JcI.
Charles,

[
IO]
plcasc.

;:
I]
MR.
UTLEY:
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
(
121
allowing
1~
s
to
cornc
and
to
participate
in
this
[
i3]
discussion.
And
hopel'ully
liom
this
discussion
you
can
114)
make
the
right
dccisions.
And
that
s
all
I
m
going
to
~
71
That
s
going
home
to
who
knows
who
tables.

181
Itsavery
important
area
­
the
land,
and
191
that
s
another
issue
you
really
need
to
look
at.
When
[
to]
you
start
talking
about
hazardous
ranking
and
[
11]
prioritization
is
what
is
the
use
of
that
land
besides
[
I21
living
on
it?

[
I31
MS.
HERRARA:
We
re
going
to
open
now
for
i
~
141
question
and
answers.
We
11
try
to
answer
them.
What
[!
6]
MS.
HERRERA:
Yes,
T;
lorcncc.

[
I71
MS.
ROBINSON:
There
s
one
point
I
neglected
to
[
la]
mention.
I
m
from
one
of
these
water
communities.
As
:
ig]
son
many
Afric:
Jn
American
communities.
especiaIIy
in
the
1201
South
WC
rc
water
communities.
We
live
off
the
land.

12
1:
When
I
first
moved
to
hlson.
almost
cvcryhody
s
backyard
~
21
h;~
tl
;
J
big
bcaJJtiHJI
garden.
I
tJscc1
to
drive
through
Ihe
.­­_­
[
is]
I
m
going
to
ask
is
that
we
start
with
our
subcommittee
[
16]
and
then
if
anybody
from
the
public
has
questions
or
they
~
171
want
to
make
comments.
we
11
go
ahead
and
keep
those.
We
[
toI
have
plenty
of
time.
So
I
would
ask
that
the
committee
[
I91
if
you
raise
your
hand,
and
I
II
recognize
you
and
just
(
zo]
Ict
LJS
know
who
want
to
ask
the
question
of.
I
can
t
I
[
pi]
sec.
I
made
a
mistake.
Vicky.
I
pa
MS.
PETERS:
All
right.
I
vc
got
a
few.
So
you
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MEETING
HOLIDAY
INN
EXPRESS
[
I]
can
just
tell
me
when
to
stop.

VI
MS.
HERRERA:
They
can
tell
you
when
to
stop.

PI
MS.
PETERS:
One
of
the
cultures
you
left
off
141
was
the
lawyer
culture.
I
think
that
­
you
frightened
151
me
with
your
expectationsAnd
certainly
I
m
going
to
do
[
s]
my
best
to
meet
them,
but
it
is
daunting.
I
really
urge
m
this
panel
and
everybody
that
you
know
to
submit
written
[
a]
comments
to
us.
And
I
know
everybody
s
burned
out
and
[
s]
stretched
so
thin.
But
it
is
a
struggle
I
think
to
[
lo)
inculcate
these
principals
into
the
process
that
we
re
[
I
II
working
with.
I
think
we
have
identified
them
in
[
u]
different
areas.
I
m
just
not
confident
that
we
have
~
131
identied
everything
that
we
can
do
at
each
step.
So,

[
14]
I
d
love
to
get
input
on
that.

Ii51
One
of
the
areas
that
we
have
identified
is
the
[
iq
HRS,
but
the
discussion
of
it,
you
know,
I
did
my
best.

[
ITI
But
I
m
not
sure
I
got
it.
So
in
particular,
Dolores,
if
[
is]
you
can
make
sure
that
they
ve
seen
the
draft
that
we
[
w]
have
on
the
HRS.
It
kind
of
tees
up
the
issue
whether
[
ZOJ
the
HRS
is
currently
working
for
the
purposes
of
insuring
[
ZII
that
sites
can
make
it
onto
the
NPL
that
should
be
[
zz]
because
of
Environmental
Justice
concerns.
And
I
m
just
Page
602
11
[
I
111
Page
603
[
I]
not
sure
that
I
ve
identified
all
of
them.
Any
thoughts
[
z]
that
you
have
on
that.
You
mentioned
the
HRS.
Any
[
s]
thoughts
that
you
have
on
that,
I
would
strongly
urge
[
4]
you,
you
know,
give
LIS
your
thoughts
now.
But
if
you
(
51
could
also
submit
them
in
writing.

[
sl
Another
question
was
I
think
that
it
was
~
1
Charles,
if
I
understood
correctly,
indicated
that
there
p]
are
a
lot
of
other
sites
out
there.
One
of
the
things
­

[
g]
and
maybe
I
misunderstood
that
comment.
But
one
of
the
[
IO]
things
we
have
struggling
with
is
the
future
of
[
I
II
Superhmd,
the
trends,
and
whether
we
re
going
to
bc
pz]
looking
at
harbor
sites,
or
lake
sites,
or
watershed
1131
sites.
Yesterday
we
heard
­
I
can
t
remember
now
[
141
whether
she
said
it
to
everybody
or
in
a
sidebar
(
151
conversation
that
I
had
with
Deirdre,
and
I
don
t
[
16]
remember
her
tide.
Her
sense
was
that
a
lot
of
the
1171
sites
were
going
to
start
seeing
our
mothballed,
old
~
181
manufacturing
mothbaIled
sites.
And
if
you
look
at
the
[~
zI]
sites
that
were
listed
this
year
recently
and
the
sites
[
zo]
that
are
now
being
proposed
for
listing,
there
s
not
a
~
II
lot
of
information
on
them
in
trade
press.
But
just
from
[
z]
the
brief
descriptions
it
sounds
like
that
may
bc
a
lot
Page
604
[
I]
of
the
sites,
and
I
m
wondering
from
your
experience
and
[
z]
your
communities
and
what
not
if
you
have
any
[
3]
information,
if
you
have
any
predictions
on
what
kind
of
[
4]
sites.
I
do
have
two
more,
but
I
m
afraid
I
may
be
[
51
monopolizing
things.

F­
7
MS.
HERRERA:
Let
s
hold
that
for
just
one
171
second.
I
m
just
going
to
ask
Charles
he
11
go
ahcad
and
[
s]
respond.
Charles.

PI
MR.
UTLEY:
There
are
a
lot
of
sites
in
our
IO]
areaAnd
they
are
like
coming
out
of
mothballs,
because
I
11
even
in
the
recent
one
that
is
not
an
NPL
site.
But
if
z]
the
polluter
would
have
not
come
forward,
it
would
have
3)
made
it
because
it
s
in
the
heart
of
a
project.
hnd
it
s
41
been
17­
10.

51
MS.
HERRERA:
Then
I
m
going
to
ask
the
panel
if
61
they
would
like
to
respond
to
Vicky.

71
MS.
McCLAIN:
Before
anybody
else
does
I
want
to
81
make
sure
that
the
draft
of
the
IIRS
paper
is
given
to
the
91
panel.

`
01
MS.
ROBINSON:
I
recall
what
was
in
the
original
ai]
HRS.
I
also
recall
what
was
in
one
of
the
revised
HRSs
`
21
after
a
group
of
us
had
sat
down
and
said
there
s
some
Page
605
(
11
real
problems
here.
Knowing
for
example,
the
lack
of
[
z]
Superfund
sites
in
Atrican
American
communities.
In
[
s]
addition
to
this
issue
about
subsistence,
which
is
very,

[
4]
very
important,
one
of
the
other
factors
that
needs
to
be
[
s]
looked
at
in
the
hazardous
ranking
is
how
many
sites
[
6]
there
are
in
a
given
area.
Because
typically
in
African
[
7]
American
communities
you
don
t
have
just
one
hcility,

[
s]
you
will
have
many.
You
will
have
abandoned
waste
sites
[
g]
You
will
have
active
waste
sites.
You
will
have
chemical
:
IO]
plants,
all
kinds
of
things
like
that.
And
the
total
:
I
I]
soup
makes
for
a
very
bad
problem.
But
the
way
the
[
lz]
system
was
working
it
was
looking
at
these
small
(
131
individual
sites
in
the
middle
of
this
mess
and
saying
1141
oh,
it
doesn
t
have
enough
problems.
But
you
ve
got
to
[
15]
look
at
the
total
community
and
the
impact
on
the
total
[
16]
community.
So,
I
would
be
interested
to
see
what
)'
our
~
171
new
draft
on
HRS
says.

II81
MS.
PETERS:
Just
LO
make
it
clear,
what
I
[
is]
referred
to
is
kind
of
framing
the
issue,
and
identifying
[
20]
different
issues,
pros
and
cons,
and
options.
It
docsn
t
pi]
have
recommendations.
So,
WC
would
love
to
­
1
would
[
22]
love
to
hear
if
we
vc
adequately
fi­
amed
tlic
issue
and
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then
any
suggestions
you
might
have
on
options
to
deal
[
z]
with
il.
I
m
going
to
leave
my
card
up
here,
Dolores,

[
3]
txcause
I
have
two
more,
but
we
can
move
on.

I41
MS.
HERRERA:
Does
anybody
else
Irave
any
[
5]
comments
to
what
Vicky
has
said
so
far?

PI
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
Vicky,
just
to
respond
to
your
17)
comment
about
scaring
you.
I
think
that
that
one
of
the
[
a]
things
all
of
us
arc
saying
up
here
is
don
t
let
[
9]
Superfund
die.
IIow
you
manage
that
is
your
own
[
lo]
particular
magicAl
of
us
up
here
are
saying
[
I
11
strengthen
it.
Fund
it.
And
ifit
s
broke
fix
it.
But
[?
zj
don
L
assume
that
the
devolution
of
authority
down
to
the
[
13]
slalcs
or
the
local
level
is
necessarily,
you
know,
small
[
t4]
government
s
good
government.
That
s
not
necessarily
the
[
ISI
only
way
Lo
fix
it.
So
that
s
­
you
know,
yeah.
Is
[
16]
thdt
still
scary?

[
I71
MS.
PETERS:
Maybe
1
can
deal
with
it.

1181
MS.
HERRERA:
Tom.

[
i
91
MR.
NEWLON:
I
was
scared,
too.
Maybe
for
[
zo]
different
reasons.
Michael,
maybe
it
s
a
question
for
[
zt]
you.
Maybe
for
Charles
or
Florence.
Rut
the
~
221
communication
s
style
issue
of,
you
know,
1
m
an
ex­
Page
608
[
I]
juicy.
And
so,
that
s
where
I
think
the
challenge
is
[
2]
going
to
be
for
you.

I31
MS.
ROBINSON:
May
I
add
a
comment?
If
I
~
41
recall,
the
original
charge
of
Superfund
was
to
address
~
51
the
nation
s
worst
hazardous
waste
sites
posing
the
[
6]
greatest
threats
to
human
health
and
the
environment.
I
[
7]
think
that
s
what
it
should
still
be.
And
the
simple
[
a]
fact
is
that
human
health
issues,
and
the
environment,

[
91
which
is
going
to
serve
humans
in
the
future
is
simply
[
lo]
not
being
addressed.
Passionate
or
dispassionate,
I
[
I
11
think
the
statement
in
itself
is
charged
and
it
says
a
[
IZJ
tot.
And
we
need
to
say
it
and
say
it
and
say
it
again,

(
131
and
remind
people
what
this
whole
process
is
about.

1141
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
I
just
want
to
­
one
of
[
15]
our
NEJAC
tricks
is
that,
you
know,
while
we
have
to
~
161
submit
this
certain
type
of
document
to
EPA,
you
can
do
a
1171
lot
with
the
cover
letter
that
goes
to
the
administrator,

(
181
So,
whatever
you
can
get
in
there
because
it
s
not
`[
tg)
dispassionate
enough,
I
would
suggest
putting
it
in
your
1201
cover
letter.

[
211
MS.
HERRARA:
Ed.

WI
MR.
PUTNAM:
Thank
you
for
coming.
I
think
it
s
__­
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609
~
11
professor,
cx­
biologist,
lawyer,
I
m
just
a
total
geek,

121
okay.
t
have
a
real
hard
time
­
we
re
doing
this
[
3]
report.
I
m
helping
draft
part
of
it.
And
I
want
it
to
[
d]
bc
ahlc
to
communicate
to
people
other
than
gceks.
Any
~
51
hints
any
of
you
might
have
on
sort
of
working
on
that.

161
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
`
l'hat
s
a
great
queslion,`
I'om.
A
171
lot
01`
pcoplc
have
done
a
101
of
work
with
that.
Part
of
181
the
problem
you
re
going
lo
lhcc
is,
is
that
EPA
is
going
[
g]
to
rcrluirc
thal
you
submit
a
document
that
is
kind
of
[
IO]
dispassionate.
But
the
answer
to
your
question
is
to
[
i
1)
show
some
heart.
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other
words,
to
have
some
language
[
ln]
whcthcr
it
s
a
prcamblc.
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it
talks
about
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with.
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141
that
people
understand
before
they
read
what
your
report
[
ISI
is,
that
you
had
an
involvcment.
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you
had
a
sense
of
[
16]
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l'h;
lt
you
brought
some
passion.
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that
[
17]
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opportunity
was
not
perhaps
not
as
large
as
you
have
[~
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like
that.
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I
think
that
it
can
be
1191
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so
what
you
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is
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throw
it
back
at
you
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it
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[
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important
for
us
to
hear
from
groups
that
have
a
121
special
message
Lo
tell
us.
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probably
heard
us
today
[
z]
talking
about
segregating
sites
off
into
other
program,

141
or
splintering
them,
utilizing
funds
elsewhere.
Your
151
prcscntations
were
very
passionate
about
Superfund
being
~
61
the
only
statute
that
can
address
your
concerns.
I
guess
171
I
wanted
to
know
if
that
s
true.
If
that
is
the
only
[
a]
statute
that
you
feet
that
can
address
your
concerns.

[
g]
And
if
so,
what
s
unique
about
Superfund
that
[
lo]
accomplishes
that
for
you?

,[
j'l
MS.
HERRERA:
Okay,
we
re
going
to
start
with
11~
1
Florence
and
then
go
down.

Cl31
MS.
ROBINSON:
The
Superfund
site
in
my
[
141
community
began
as
an
active
dump
site
in
1964.
Here
in
p5]
the
year
2001
we
still
have
contamination,
and
we
have
[
t6]
other
sites
that
have
been
created
in
that
time
period.

[
17]
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
remember
saying
about
the
active
i
1181
hazardous
waste
site.
That
s
a
Superfund
site
waiting
to
[
is]
happen.
We
got
lots
of
Superfund
sites
waiting
to
(
201
happen.
Again,
because
there
has
been
a
lack
of
II
,211
regulation,
a
lack
of
enforcement.

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610
[
i]
them,
for
God
s
sack
they
ve
never
shown
themselves.

[
z]
We
re
still
sitting
there
looking
at
the
same
problems
p]
that
have
existed
all
this
time
and
only
continue
to
get
(
41
worse.
So,
I
think
it
would
be
very
helpful
if
IS]
communities
as
well
as
state
governments
be
given
[
s]
additional
information
on
what
other
possible
funding
p]
could
be
available.
But
in
the
state
of
­
in
some
[
a]
states,
I
won
t
keep
maligning
my
state.
But
in
some
191
states
the
state
itself
it
does
not
have
the
funds.
Or
[
lo]
let
s
put
it
this
way,
it
does
not
prioritize
its
funds
[
II]
in
such
a
way
that
it
is
being
used
for
cleanup
of
sites
Page
612
[
II
MR.
UTLEY:
Let
me
just
add
to
t11al.
A
few
121
weeks
ago
GA.
Comp,
some
of
you
may
not
be
aware
of
it,

[
3]
was
meeting
that
they
could
funding
for
more
plutonium.

141
And
through
acts
of
grassroots
organizations
including
[
s]
Russian
s
grassroots
organization
we
were
able
to
get
[
s]
that
stopped.
And
that
s
because
being
a
Superfund
or
[
7]
not
even
with
the
Federal
agent
being
at
SRS
you
have
a
~
61
mess
you
can
t
clean
up
now.
But
yet
you
were
trying
to
191
get
billions
of
dollars
in
a
far
land
to
make
more
[
lo]
plutonium.

(
111
It
s
things
like
that
that
need
to
be
addressed
[
lz]
that
are
endangering
citizens.

[
I31
MR.
HERRARA:
Michael,
it
seems
as
though
you
1141
had
something
to
say.

[
I51
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
Yeah.
Part
of
it
1
think
is
[
IS]
people
would
rather
deal
with
the
devil
they
know
than
1171
the
devil
they
don
t
know.
Those
of
us
in
Environmental
[
te]
Justice
communities
see
Environmental
Justice
as
a
civil
[
lg]
rights
issue.
We
formed
ourselves
against
what
we
called
[
zo]
environmental
racism.
So,
for
us
looking
at
the
progress
~
211
that
we
have
made
in
terms
of
gaining
equal
rights
and
LIZ]
in
new
ways
and
new
information
of
how
we
can
better
do
(
131
with
what
we
tiave
whether
it
s
Superfund,
or
what
Michael
~
141
said,
any
other
means
that
WC
can
clean
up
our
land
where
1151
it
can
become
useful.

[
I61
MS.
HERRERA:
Ed,
did
you
feel
as
though
your
1171
questions
was
,
answered.

[
181
MR.
PUTNAb:
Yes,
thank
you.

I1
91
MS.
HERRETA:
Kate,
please.

WI
MR.
PROBST:
I
also
want
to
say
thanks
for
[
zi]
coming.
I
thin
d­
It
s
extraordinarily
useful
for
us,
and
(
221
equal
protection
under
the
law
and
civil
rights,
we
ve
­___
[
22]
hopefully
benkficial.
Michael,
you
raised
the
question
­.__.

Page
611
Page
613
[
i]
always
found
that
that
Federal
protection
there
was
a
[
I]
of
did
we
understand
the
why.
And
I
guess
to
me
in
12~
blindness
or
it
was
­
they
say
live
s
not
fair.
At
[
2]
listening
to
the
two
women
who
spoke
yesterday,
my
[
3]
least
we
could
count
on
the
Feds
that
things
would
be
~
41
randomly
unfair.

151
But
yet
when
things
filter
down
to
the
states
[
6]
and
the
politics,
the
local
politics
­
all
politics
arc
[;
1
local
­
but
got
in
the
way.
The
purpose
of
people
[
e]
running
for
office
and
campaigning,
and
campaign
doors.

[
g]
People
are
building
a
former
city
councilman
from
the
[
IO]
city
of
New
Orleans,
a
black
man,
and
some
bodies
got
(
1
I)
some
land
that
had
been
the
city
of
New
Orleans
landfill
LIZ]
and
built
a
subdivision
and
a
school
on
top
of
one
the
[
13]
most
polluted
pieces
of
land
in
the
state
of
Louisiana.

(
141
Now
it
s
called
the
Agriculture
Street
Landfii,

[
IS]
Superfund
site.
That
s
what
happens.

[
161
I
don
t
know
if
this
really
answers
your
~
171
question.
But
I
think
it
s
like
we
know
Superfimd.
We
ale]
know
it
works.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
put
and
to
[
ICI]
publicize
a
list
of
alternative
of
sucCess
stories
from
[
3]
question
is
the
what.
I
don
t
know
if
it
s
the
NACEP'I
[
4]
panel
or
each
of
us
individually,
which
is
that
I
m
not
[
s]
sure
what
it
is
we
can
or
should
do.
I
mean,
you
laid
[
s]
out
the
things
that
were
important
to
you,
and
they
re
[
7]
sort
of
a
laundry
list
of
I
think
some
very
important
[
a]
Superfund
things
that
arcn
t
particular
to
l!.
J.
You
know,

[
g]
Superfund
program
continues,
strengthen
the
Supcrl'und
lo]
program,
adequate
funding.
And
1
guess
I
m
wondering,

1
I]
which
is
of
course
or
whatever
the
phrase
is,
in
terms
of
121
specific
hViroIUIIenta~
Justice
issues
what
is
it
you
gUyS
131
would
­
we
can
t
do
anything
about
the
fact
that
poor
141
people
and
people
of
color
don
t
have
as
much
access
to
151
power
in
this
country.
Except
for
voting,
which
I
161
hopefully
we
ll
all
do.
But
there
are
some
issue
that
171
are
so
large
that
are
beyond
any
of
us,
and
beyond
this
181
subcommittee.
And
I
guess
I
keep
listening
­
1
talked
191
to
Wilma
yesterday
after
we
listened
to
Doris
and
Sandy
(
20]
other
funding
sources,
of
other
ways
of
addressing
the
[
zo]
being
very
frustrated
at
how
­
I
don
t
really
know
whal
~
21)
rcmcdiation
for
people
to
look
at
and
education
[
zz]
themselves
about.

Page
610
­
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613
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80)
~
211
it
is
that
folks
like
us
can
do
that
s
genuinely
useful
~
221
The
issues
you
laid
about
Superfund
in
gcncral,
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yeah.
But
the
public
health
issues,
the
things
aren
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121
happening,
the
ways
in
which
you
feel
government
isn
t
(
31
responsive
I
genuinely
don
t
know
what
it
is
that
we
(
41
should
bc
doing.
I
don
t
know
if
that
questions
makes
Is]
any
sense.

161
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
Yeah,
it
does.
I
have
a
couple
17)
of
responses.
One
is
to
provide
communities
with
the
[
a]
resources
that
they
need
to
participate,
to
understand
(
91
what
is
going
on,
to
understand
is
next
door
to
them,
and
[
IO]
to
participate
in
the
progress.
That
s
real
clear.
It
[
I
r]
just
jumped
out
of
my
head.
What
I
d
just
say
is
provide
[
tzj
them
the
resources.
I
11
think
of
it.

[
131
MS.
ROBINSON:
I
d
like
to
make
a
comment
[
ial
(
inaudible).
About
10
years
ago
a
couple
of
­
myself
1151
and
another
Environmental
Justice
activist,
a
person
from
[
16]
a
Supcrfund
community,
sat
down
and
WC'
thought
about
this
1171
very
thorny
problem
of
the
health
issues.
Now
here
we
[
la]
arc
IO
years
later
still
using
risk
when
we
don
t
have
!
19]
enough
intormation
to
use
it
wisely.
We
use
risk
to
[
zol
dctcrniine
that
a
f`
acilily
safe
to
come
into
a
community.

1211
Yet
that
risk
has
never
predicted
the
kind
of
exposures
~
221
that
WC
have
suf~
cred
and
I
I1
assume
the
kind
of
Page
615
[
i]
illnesses
that
have
developed.
I­

i:.

,
L
121
`
I'hc
Superfund
used
risk
to
determine
the
level
131
of
clcanup.
This
is
done
ail
over
the
country.
You
use
(
41
risk
to
dctcrminc
the
level
ofcleannup.`
I'o
determine
the
[
5i
rcmcdy
and
level
of
cleanup.
And
to
determine,
I
heard
[
cl
this
question
asked
earlier,
what
is
clcan.
You
re
using
171
a
filulty
tool
to
do
this.
At
the
same
time
that
you
ve
[
al
got
thcsc
communities
all
across
the
country
who
are
[
9]
suffering
these
problems
and
who
arc
virtually
living
[
lo]
laboratories.
Now.
you
will
never
hear
me
advocate
come
[
III
in
and
study
the
people.
But
I
will
make
a
trade
with
[
iz]
you.
You
come
in
and
you
give
us
the
health
care
that
we
[
131
need.
and
while
you
are
giving
us
that
health
care
you
~
141
can
IX
learning
something
about
the
effects
of
chemical
[:
5]
exposures.
Because
we
have
more
colds.
We
have
more
1161
sinus
problcms.
Wc
have
more
respiratory
problems.
We
[
III
have
Immune
system
problems.
We
have
liver
and
kidney
,181
clisc;~
sc.
All
thcsc
kind
of
problems.
And
high
blood
rig]
prcssurc',
and
don
t
blame
it
on
pork.
as
well
as
the
poj
cancers,
ct
cctcr:
l.

1211
So.
iI­
you
set
up
some
clinics
or
arrange
for
~
22;
some
of
us
in
these
rural
communities
to
go
to
a
given
Page
616
111
clinic,
the
doctors
would
begin
to
see
a
pattern.
For
121
example,
in
my
community
a
few
years
ago
everybody
was
~
31
having
nose
bleeds.
Including
three
very
severe
~
41
spontaneous
hemorrhages.
Yet
aiI
these
people
are
going
[
s]
to
different
doctors.
So
doctor
sees
a
pattern.
But
if
[
sl
WC
were
going
to
the
same
doctor,
somebody
wotild
say
(
71
something
is
terribly
wrong
here.
You
would
begin
to
be
[
a]
getting
some
information
to
say,
now
wait
a
minute,
at
[
g]
these
projected
levels
people
are
getting
sick.
And
IO]
would
help
you
to
make
better
decision.
I
m
saying,
EPA,

I
11
government,
whoever,
would
Like
government
make
better
121
decisions
about
where
it
places
facilities.
About
the
131
levels
at
which
it
allows
them
to
emit
things
and
141
Superfund
cleanups.

151
MS.
HERRERA:
Michael
had
a
power
surge.

161
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
Yes,
I
remembered
what
I
was
171
going
to
say.
In
Environmental
Justice
communities,
in
I
81
communities
that
I
Il
call
marginally
solvent
home
IS]
ownership
is
a
critical
step
in
a
family
s
evolution.

rol
And
I
can
t
tell
you
how
many
Superfund
sites
I
ve
been
zt]
involved
in
where
I
ve
seen
a
family
who
was
the
fust
121
generation
to
really
own
their
own
home
go
back
into
Page
617
[
ll
public
housing
because
of
the
way
things
were
managed.

(
21
And
so
when
EIQ
does
a
site
assessment
and
it
looks
at
~
31
the
health
effects
­
there
s
a
center
in
North
Carolina
~
41
that
s
looking
at
black
land
loss.
My
subcommittee
is
[
5]
looking
at
that
as
well
of
NBEJN.

PI
I
think
it
is
important
to
access
what
is
the
17)
impact
on
the
property
values
and
the
equity
positions
of
p]
the
homeowners
next
to
these
plants.
So,
in
other
words,

191
you
rc
looking
at
what
are
the
health
effects.
But
I
can
`[
IO]
be
equally
harmed
by
the
fact
that
I
m
living
in
a
house
[
i
I]
that
there
s
no
market
for,
there
s
no
fair
market
value,

[
IZ]
and
depending
on
how
you
do
the
cleanup,
my
property
[
13]
value
might
never
return.
Thc
communities
cannot
get
­

1(
14]
right
now
the
\
vay
the
law
is
written,
or
the
way
the
[
is]
policy
is
written,
an
Environmental
Justice
community
[
161
cannot
get
a
relocation
technical
advisor
if
they
want
to
~
171
proposed
relocation
during
the
remedial
investigation.

[
iti]
`
Ihe
rcmcdy
selection
phase.
That
they
can
only
get
that
[
IS)
resource
when
EPA
has
decided
that
it
wants
to
do
[
20]
relocation.

1211
And
so
I
wot~
lcl
ask
you
to
look
at
the
whole
[
ZZI
issues
of
property
vahlc
and
rclocation.
And
the
health
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[
I]
effects
are
criticaLAnd
they
will
exist
whether
or
not
[
z]
the
property
issues
are
handled.
But
I
think
if
[
3]
Superfund
could
begin
to
define
­
and
we
can
do
it.
I
[
4]
mean,
you
can
take
a
property
value
study.
You
take
a
151
community
that
was
built
at
a
similar
time
with
basically
[
6]
the
same
housing
stock
that
s
not
next
to
a
Superfund
m
site.
You
run
a
property
value.
You
look
at
the
records
[
8]
and
you
run
its
value
as
residential
property.
You
track
p]
it
along
with
this
one,
or
you
take
the
abutting
[
ia]
commercial
properly
in
this
EJ
community
and
look
and
see
[
ii]
where
this
land
is
worth
more
now
as
commercial
property
~
121
­
it
s
residential
value.
There
s
a
ton
of
ways
to
do
[
13]
it.
But
to
be
able
to
quantify
that
and
address
that
as
[
r4]
a
remedy.
An
important
part
of
a
remedy
options
that
[
15]
communities
ought
to
have.
Because
sometimes
the
only
[
16]
time
to
solve
the
problem
is
to
get
medical
help
and
move
[
i7]
away.
Especially
with
you
all
are
fudging
or
messing
[
re]
around
with
bright
lines,
and
how
clean
is
clean.
I
m
(
191
sure
all
the
keys
couldn
t
be
here
today,
but
one
of
the
~
201
most
beautiful
things
we
managed
to
get
the
CEO
from
the
[
21]
company
that
is
the
responsible
party
for
the
Newsom
[
22]
Brothers
site
to
come
down.
And
he
asked
the
question
at
.~
~~~

Page
61s
[
I]
a
community
meeting
how
clean
is
clean.
And
she
says
you
121
know
I
don
t
want
to
be
picky
and
I
don
t
want
to
be
(
31
technical
she
said,
but
just
send
some
of
boys
out
to
[
4l
your
backyard
where
your
family
lives
and
whatever
you
151
all
got
back
there
that
s
okay,
that
s
what
we
11
take.

PI
MS.
HERRERA:
I
would
like
to
remind
people
that
m
now
we
ve
got
20
minutes
on
my
clock.
But
on
Mildred
s
[
a]
15,
and
I
don
t
want
her
to
come
and
bop
me
on
the
head.

[
g]
I
don
t
know
if
we
wanted
to
negotiate,
but
let
s
move
it
[
i
o]
along.

11
11
MR.
UTLEY:
Real
quick.
I
would
just,
Kate,
ask
~
121
that
take
some
of
the
burden
off
the
communities
to
prove
[
13]
things.
There
s
it
s
much
­
we
have
to
prove
~
141
everything.
And
I
had
to
go
get
death
certificates
to
~
151
call
for
those
248
to
show
the
disproportionate
of
deaths
[
i6]
related
to
that
community
in
order
to
get
the
healthy
(
171
people
looked
at.
We
re
just
saying
it
s
just
a
burden
[
ls]
that
s
placed
on
the
communities.

[
I91
MS.
ROBINSON:
I
just
want
to
remind
you
that
~
201
even
after
a
community
is
relocated
that
is
not
the
end
(
211
of
the
health
problem.
Thesc
people
have
already
been
(
221
impacted,
and
those
health
problems
need
to
be
addressed
I'
`
I
­`
I
I
III
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
And
in
fact,
you
should
do
some
[
2l
health
work
before
a
relocation.
Because
if
you
disburse
[
3]
the
cancer
cluster,
you
ll
never
capture
the
data.

[
41
MS.
HERRERA:
Thank
you.
Michael.

151
MR.
TILCHIN:
I
have
two
questions.
One
is
[
s]
general
and
the
other
one
a
little
more
speciiic.
The
[
7]
general
question
is,
in
looking
at
how
the
Superfund
[
a]
program
has
performed
in
Environmental
Justice
[
g]
communities,
are
there
certain
aspects
of
the
program
lo]
that
totally
falls
flat
on
its
face?
Are
there
aspects
ii]
of
the
program
where
it
seems
to
bc
doing
a
fairly
better
121
job?
So,
as
you
kind
of
look
at
the
various
services
13)
that
Superfund
can
provide,
where
is
it
doing
better
or
141
worse
in
Environmental
Justice
communities?

151
Second
question
I
11
pose
­
anyone
can
answer,

161
but
I
11
pose
it
to
Charles
and
to
Michael.
And
that
you
171
said
­
you
actually
had
two
dit'ferent
statements
related
161
to
Brownfields.
Charles,
in
your
community
the
191
Brownfields
program
really
proved
to
be
an
asset.

,201
Michael,
you
had
talked
about
the
Browntields
program
,211
being
a
friend
to
Superfund.
I
think
that
s
what
you
1221
said.
And
then
I
think
in
related
I
was
very
interested
__­.
~.
._____~.
~~~

Page
621
[
I]
in
this.
If
you
could
elaborate
on
it
a
little
bit.

[
2]
Associating
Brownfields
and
gentrilication
and
how
thal
[
3]
too
imposed
in
Environmental
Justice
communities.
So,

[
4]
those
two
questions.

[
51
MR.
HERRARA:
Charles,
do
you
want
to
start
and
(
61
then
Michael?
And
then
what
we
can
do
is
overall
broad­

[
7]
based
question,
the
fist
one
he
started,
we
II
open
it
[
a]
up
to
the
floor.

PI
MR.
UTLEY:
Michael,
in
our
sihlation
we
took
it
[
io]
away
from
the
city.
In
other
words,
we
were
the
[
i
I]
determinate
factor
as
to
what
Brownfields
did
in
the
[
12]
community.
NL
of
the
activities
of
the
Brownfields
come
~
131
through
the
community­
based
organization,
not
through
the
[
14]
city.
Even
as
to
who
gets
the
contract.
So,
it
s
[
is]
totally
different.

LlSl
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
What
s
Supcrfund
­
what
s
been
[
17]
happening
better
and
worse.
I
think
basically
Superfund
[
is]
has
been
getting
better
and
better.
I
know
the
law
[
ig]
hasn
t
changed.
But
in
terms
of
the
guidelines,
the
[
20]
guidances,
and
the
policy
that
EPA
has
been
issuing:.

[
21]
they
re
getting
more
community­
fricndly.`
l'hcy
re
getting
1221
smarter
and
smarter
about
how
to
do
it.
Where
I
begin
to
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ia]
see
a
breakdown
is
within
the
EPA
building
a
capacity
to
[
z;
do
that
well.
So,
for
example
I
just
worked
on
a
~
31
Superfund
site
in'rorrence,
California,
were
EPA
had
just
~
41
come
out
with
this
new
community
involvement
program
and
[
5]
they
were
going
to
temporary
relocations.
And
they
[
6]
brought
in
a
community
relocation
advisor
for
the
folks
171
in
the
community.
But
the
memorandum
of
understanding
­

[
E]
and
of'
course
they
had
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
as
the
[
g]
preferred
vendor.
Well,
they
gave
this
beautiful
[
IO]
memorandum
of
understanding
about
how
to
do
a
temporary
[
I~
J
relocation
and
thcsc
are
the
things
that
are
important.

[>
z]
So
EPA
subbed
it
to
the
Army
Corps.
The
Army
Corps
[?
3]
looked
at
it
and
said,
we
don
t
have
anybody
who
can
do
~
141
this.
And
they
subbed
it
the
guys
who
were
moving
dirt.

I>
51
Part
of
the
problem
in
thaC
scenario
is
that
if
[
I
61
your
job
is
cubic
feet
of
contaminated
soil,
your
job
is
]
I
71
rcmcdiation.
Families
become
an
obstacle.
And
the
whole
[
i8]
thrust
of
the
EPA,
what
EPA
was
trying
to
do,
is
to
say
1191
that
relocation
is
a
family­
centered
phenomenon
which
[
zo]
involves
real
escdte.
Rather
lhan
it
be
a
real
estate­

[
zi]
related
phenomenon
which
happens
to
involve
families
[
zz]
kind\
of
things.
So,
that
s
where
I
ve
seen
it,
is
the
Page
624
[
I]
not
adequately
protected.

PI
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
And
in
terms
of
your
second
131
question
of
Brownfields
versus
Superfund.
I
mentioned
~
41
Brownfields
because
of
the
emphasis
on
redevelopment.

~
51
Those
of
us
sitting
at
the
table
lived
through
something
[
6]
Ihat
we
call
Negro
removalAnd
our
city
governments
171
called
it
urban
renewal.
Every
black
community
in
this
[
a]
coumry
was
cut
up,
divided,
had
freeways
put
through
it,

[
g]
one­
way
streets.
They
used
to
be
thriving.
There
used
[
io]
to
always
be
a
black
downtown.
That
wasn
t
necessarily
11
I]
the
function
of
segregation.
My
grandfather
had
his
[
IZ]
medical
practice
in
way
was
called
the
black
WalI
Street
1131
on
Greenwood
in
Tulsa.
We
had
communities
that
made
[
141
sense
for
us,
and
if
you
all
didn
t
want
to
play
with
us,

[
ISI
because
we
got
our
own
doctors
and
so
forth
and
so
on.

[
I61
So,
if
you
look
at
the
Brownfields
industry
[
17]
right
now
and
you
go
to
Greenlields
conferences,
and
you
[
ia]
go
to
the
Grayfields
conference,
and
you
go
to
the
[
I
91
Brownfields
conference,
and
you
look
and
see
who
s
1201
there.`
l'herc
is
an
unholy
alliance
of
developers,
city
1211
and
county
managers
who
want
to
Negro
removal
again,

[
zz]
because
the
sprawl
and
smart
growth
and
people
want
back
(
11
capacity
within
EPA
10
do,
to
enact,
some
of
the
really
[
I]
into
the
cities.
Atlanta.
Atlanta
had
black
mayors
for
[
z]
wonderful
insights
that
it
s
coming
up
with.
[
z]
the
last
I
don
t
know
how
many
years.
Do
you
know
what
131
MR.
UTLEY:
One
thing
is,
what
did
EPA
fall
flat
[
3]
the
largest
single
growing
ethnic
population
is
within
14~
on
its
f&
cc
or
Superfund
is
how
they
approached
~
41
the
city
limits
ofAtlanta?
Anybody?
White
folks.
[
5;
cornmLInities.`
l`
hat
has
been
one
of
the
worst
dramatized
(
51
So,
that
s
going
on.
And
what
we
see
happening
(
61
that
I
vc
ever
witnessed
to
the
point
where
one
pregnant
161
is
that
Brownfields
are
being
used,
and
Brownfields
[
7]
mother
threw
a
chair
at
one
of
the
spokesmen,
because
the
~
71
money
and
the
redevelopment
money
are
being
used
as
a
way
~
81
guy
said
that
none
of
this
can
be
actually
happening.
[
a]
LO
do
that
again.
And
so
your
city
will
come
to
you
with
[
g]
And
this
lady
had
had
a
miscarriage,
and
had
one
baby
who
191
an
oh,
an
environmental
program
with
environmental
funds,
.
io]
was
born
with
almost
a
double
sized
head.
And
he
was
[
ra]
but
it
s
same
old,
same
old
Negro
removal
going
on
again.
111
making
that
statement
in
an
open
meeting
not
knowing
the
[
I
11
And
il
s
happening
all
over
the
country.
And
so
that
s
121
history
of
that
comtnunity.
So,
it
s
how
you
approach
a
[
iz]
our
issue
with
Ihis
­
yes,
should
land
be
put
back
to
131
community,
1
woukl
say
is
the
most
devastating
that
I
[
is]
productive
use?
Absolutely.
But
if
I
sat
there
­
my
141
have
seen
when
it
was
actually
come
in,
fall
on
the
face.
1141
grandfather
s
house
doesn
t
exist
anymore
because
the
151
But
they
had
to
back.
regroup,
get
the
community
leaders
[
15]
city
of
New
Bedford
built
what
­
did
they
take
you
ail
161
in
and
then
re­
approach
il.
So.
that
was
my
experience.
!
[
iq
or1
lhe
highwdy
to
nowhere?
No.
Is
anybody
here
from
New
1
71
MS.
ROBINSON:
One
of
Lhc
problem
areas
that
[
I
71
Bedford?
Thcrc
s
this
main
road
off
of
the
highway
18:
I
vc
seen
with
Superfund
is
almost
as
if
community
is
[
ia]
that
s
like
a
four
lane
highway
until
you
get
to
downtown
191
cxpcc~
cd
10
pay
the
price
of
being
cxposrd
for
Ihe
sake
(
191
and
there
s
a
stop
light,
and
it
continues
on
but
it
just
20]
of
gclting
their
site
cleaned
up.
So
that
some
of
the
(
201
sort
of
dies,
you
know,
like
you
re
going
toward
21
I
worst
exposures
thaL
have
occurred
around
Superfund
sites
[
zi]
Acushhncl.`
l`
hat
was
all
of
CapeVerde.
And
all
of
Cape
22)
tl;
l~~'
wcllrrcd
dUritJg
thC
CkalJUp
proCeSS
When
pcopk!
were
[
zz]
Vcrdian
community.,
41
CapeVerdian
community.

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VI
That
s
what
we
re
upset
about.
That
is
what
we
[
i]
you
re
listing
new
sites
Environmental
Justice
should
be
121
see
coming.
It
s
not
going
to
be
called
urban
renewal
[
z]
a
consideration
where
health
affects
arc
equal
if
there
s
[
3]
anymore,
but
it
s
really
quite
a
big,
big
industry
right
[
3]
an
Environmental
Justice
community.
Should
that
be
a
141
now.
[
41
reason
why
you
bump
that
up
in
terms
of
getting
on
the
(
51
MS.
HERRERA:
I
was
just
going
to
add
that
isn
t
[
5]
list
and
being
a
priority.
Another
way
to
look
al
it
the
161
just
about
Negro
s
renewal.
It
s
aIs0
­
I
live
in
a
[
6]
same
thing
would
be
if
you
looked
at
human
health
impacts
~
1
community
that
went
through
the
60s.
(
71
in
terms
of
have
an
Environmental
Justice
community
with
PI
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
I
m
sorry.
I
was
only
speaking
[
a]
a
lot
of
different
facilities.
Does
that
mean
that
the
1~
11
from
my
experience.
But
absoIutely.
The
Environmental
[
g]
health
burdens
are
higher
than
you
might
otherwise
1101
Justice
community
­
and
it
s
poor
white
communities,
[
IO]
capture?
I
d
just
be
very
interested
in
your
sense
of
[
ill
too.
[
I
I]
whether
we
re
on
the
right
track.
If
these
are
useful
1121
1131
[
I41
1151
(
161
[
I71
[
tal
[
191
I201
1211
I221
Cl1
PI
MS.
HERRERA:
Great.
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point.
We
re
going
to
go
with
Sue.
BiIl,
you
had
your
card
up,
you
took
it
down.

MR.
ADAMS:
If
we
have
time
(
inaudible).

MS.
HERRARA:
I
was
going
to
Sue
and
Bill,
and
then
Gary.
Because
that
s
the
way
that
it
was
a
few
[
iz]
things
to
think
about.

NT13l
MS.
ROBINSON:
Okay.
First
1
want
to
clarify
[
14]
about
my
Superfund
site,
Petro
Processors.`
l'he
original
(
151
two
sites
before
they
even
became
Superfund
sites
or
in
[
is]
the
early
stages
of
being
Superfund
sites,
because
we
re
[
171
Louisiana
and
because
we
gel
excessive
amounts
of
rain
minutes
ago.
[
ia]
resulted
in
flooding
and
contaminalion
of'
that
whole
MS.
BRIGGUM:
First
of
all,
thank
you
so
much.
[
ig]
swamp.
So,
now
pe
re
dealing
with
two
different
issues.

And
I
have
to
say
it
for
those
aren
t
as
old
as
I
am,
[
zo]
We
re
dealing
w
4
h
what
has
been
designated
Superfund
it
s
such
a
pleasure
to
have
Florence
talk
to
us.
[
zi]
site
and
alI
this
offset
area
that
is
contaminated.

Because
some
of
you
might
not
realize
that
a
decade
ago
WI
I
was
summoGed
in
August
1
believe
of
last
year
­~­_~_~

Page
627
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629
Florence
was
part
of
the
commission
that
worked
on
the
103th
bill
and
is
the
reason
why
EPA
engaged
in
the
131
number
of
the
administrative
reforms
that
everybody
141
around
the
table
thought
were
very
important
in
terms
01
[
5]
making
super
fast,
faster,
fairer,
and
more
efficient.

161
And
so,
for
those
you
don
t
know
it,
it
s
nice
to
be
able
v]
to
acknowledge
that.
And
then
I
m
going
to
ask
something
[
a]
nerdy,
because
you
know
that
s
kind
of
how
1
am.

PI
I
m
really
struck,
Florence,
about
the
fact
that
[
IO]
so
little
has
happened
in
a
decade
at
alI.
Because
we
[
ii]
were
there.
We
see
it.
It
s
the
same
thing.
You
had
Liz]
construction
aclually,
as
I
recall,
at
Petro
Processors
1131
in
one
(
inaudible).
But
it
sounds
like
the
pond
behind
~
141
there
s
been
no
progressAnd
I
m
not
getting
the
sense
[
is]
that
you
feel
that
there
s
been
a
lot
of
progress
with
~
161
the
accumulation
of
sites,
because
you
have
a
lot
of
~
171
different
things
in
the
community.
hnd
1
wondered
if
you
lie]
had
some
thoughts
about
our
recommendations?
We
have
a
[
ig]
few
things
in
here
already
that
I
lI
just
throw
out
if
[
zo]
you
wouldn
1
mind
reacting
to
it.
We
ve
talked
about
the
PI]
importance
of
prevention,
and
EPA
looking
at
prevention
[
XI
programs.
We
ve
talked
about
the
idcd
that
maybe
as
[
i]
for
a
good
news
event.
To
help
plan
a
good
news
event.

[
z]
Well,
it
turns
out
this
good
news
event
was
to
declare
[
3]
construction
complete
at
Petro
Processors
when
1
vc
never
141
agreed
with
the
remedies,
the
rcmcdy
which
ultimate
went
[
5]
to
hop
and
treat
which
is
simply
taking
oily
substances
­

[
6]
­
these
chemicals
that
are
that
site
are
very
solvent
in
[
fl
oils,
and
it
s
taking
them
out
of
water,
but
they
re
[
e]
still
in
the
sediments.
And
they
re
recycling
through
191
the
food
chain.
And
now
the
site
is
being
declared
[
IO]
construction
complete,
or
will
be
declared
construction
i
[
I
11
when
they,
1
think
it
s
paved
cap,
a
certain
arca
in
the
1121
swamp.
Not
even
removing
the
contaminants
that
are
[
IS]
there,
but
they
re
going
to
cap
this
hot
spot
in
a
swamp
[
14]
that
floods.
Makes
a
101
of
sense.

L'S1
The
other
sile
is
the
lake
thal
we
knew
was
[
16]
contaminated
with
PCBs
and
substances
from
the
original
~
171
Superfund
site.
Now,
the
good
news
is
­
and
1
m
seeing
~
[
18]
a
change
in
government
after
all
these
years.
It
was
ii91
very
interesting
to
go
to
this
meeting
of
senators,

[
zol
representatives,
DEQ
ofiicials,
and
lind
them
all
looking
I
[
ZI]
at
me
peculiar.
Like
we
vc
already
agreed
that
WC
want
~
1221
to
as
the
governor
for
this
lo
bc
a
Superfund
site,
but
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632
11~
we
rc
concerned
about
you
community
people
whether
or
not
[
II
the
60s.
So,
you
know
his
passion
for
civil
rights
and
(
21
you
want
it.
For
God
sake
we
ve
been
wanting
it
all
[
z]
this
kind
of
issue.
What
I
asked
him
to
do
and
he
is
~
31
along.
He
said,
well
you
know
some
people
are
concerned
131
doing
is
going
through
our
entire
organization
training
[
4j
about
their
property
values
being
devalued.
I
said,
are
~
41
our
staff
on
what
EJ
issues
are
all
about.
Because
from
~
51
you
kidding,
we
ve
got
no
property
values.
Maybe
if
you
(
51
a
professional
organization
it
s
difficult
to
understand
161
clean
this
up,
we
11
begin
to
get
some
back.
So
that
s
[
6]
the
considerations.
And
I
think
one
of
the
things,`
and
(
71
just
a
little
part
of
your
first
question.
~
71
Michael
hit
on
this,
and
that
s
the
difI5culty
of
PI
One
of
the
problems
with
EJ
and
health
­
again,
[
al
listening.
It
s
the
difficulty
of
knowing
how
to
listen
~
91
you
know
everybody
s
talked
about
you
re
dealing
with
[
Q]
from
a
regulator
s
standpoint.
And
Ill
give
you
some
[
ICI]
people
who
fall
on
the
lower
income
scale.
The
houses,
[
IO]
examples
why
it
is
difficult
to
listen
and
the
[
111
they
rc
proud
of
their
houses.
But
the
fact
of
the
[
I
11
difficulties
in
listening.
[
121
matter
is
the
houses
tend
to
be
substandard.
And
I
11
[
121
First,
Michael
made
a
point
about
community,
[
I
31
tell
you
another
little
known
secret.
When
a
developer
[
I~
I
which
was
really
good.
You
d
like
it
to
be
considered
(
1+
comes
in
and
builds
houses
for
black
people,
he
doesn
t
~
141
the
neighbors
next
door.
From
a
state
regulator
[
rs]
build
them
at
the
same
quality
as
he
builds
for
white
[
151
standpoint
­
now
again,
hundreds
of
cleanups.
But
we
~
161
people
even
though
they
cost
the
same
thing.
There
s
a
~
171
significant
differcncc
in
the
quality
of
construction
in
1
[
i6]
have
occasions
where
the
aldermen
and
the
city
government
(
171
of
a
community
want
to
do
things
one
way,
and
it
s
the
[
181
black
homes
and
in
white
homes.
So,
our
people
are
119;
living
in
houses
that
are
substandard
that
don
t
keep
[
zo]
pollutants
out.
So,
they
rc
getting
extra
exposure
that
[
Z~
I
a
more,
what
do
you
want
to
say,
a
fucnt
community
would
[
ia]
people
next
door
they
seem
to
do
it
another
way.
They
[
IQ]
want
something
different.
We
have
to
encounter
the
(
201
question
who
do
WC
listen
to.
Do
we
listen
to
those
[
zil
people
who
have
been
elected
as
representatives
in
a
[
zz]
not
sulP`
cr.
And
add
to
that,
people
who
may
lack
money
1221
democratic
process
for
that
area,
for
that
city?
Or
do
­~
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631
~
Page
633
(
11
to
13~
1)'
the
kinds
of
fruits
and
vegetables
rich
in
vitamin
[
II
you
listen
to
some
local
people?
It
s
a
tough
question.
[
n]
1;
that
help
them
to
get
rid
of
free
radicals
that
cause
(
21
And
it
s
something
we
have
to
consider
as
we
do
our
~
31
some
of
these
health
problems.
[
31
regulatory
process.

141
So,
yes,
Environmental
Justice
communities
are
I41
There
s
another
concern
and
that
is,
is
this
,
s]
at
;
I
difltrent
kind
of
disadvantage
from
other
,
[
s]
issue
being
used
by
people
­
the
Environmental
Justice
[
cl
communitics.
hnd
I
think
that
that
in
itself
should
be
I
`,..
~
61
IISUC
being
used
for
alternative
reasons?
I
11
give
you
[
7;
made
a
part
of
the
hazard
ranking
system
that
does
sort
[
7]
an
example.
Outside
of
the
city
of
Chicago
­
and
again,
(
81
01.
bump
them
up
because
their
needs
are
greater.
[
al
this
is
not
a
Superfund
thing.
But
outside
the
city
of
IQ1
MS.
HERRERA:
Okay,
Gary,
I
m
going
to
go
with
[
Q]
Chicago
there
is
a
black
community,
small
community.
[
j
01
you
because
he
left
his
card
down
there.
[
IO]
It
s
generally
poor,
but
the
leaders
of
that
community
ifi1
MR.
KING:
Okay.
1
was
going
to
say
a
few
[
I
11
are
well
educated.
They
made
the
decision
that
it
was
[
I*!
things.
1
m
gl;
ld
to
hear
a
EJ
discussion
for
and
I
get
[
IZ]
the
best
thing
for
their
community
from
the
future
of
jq31
to
respond
back.
lisually
1
don
t
get
to
that.
So,
I
m
,113~
development
of
it
that
it
have
a
waste
incinerator.
Come
[
141
going
IO
say
some
things
that
you
don
t
like
to
hear,
but
1141
into
that
community
because
they
felt
it
was
going
to
be
~
151
1
ni
going
to
say
them
anyway.
1151
safe.
They
looked
at
evcrything.
They
looked
at
all
the
IiW
Imamanager
­
I
head
up
our
cleanup
programs
~
161
technical
issurs.
They
said
this
is
going
to
be
safe.
j17:
for
the
state
of
Illinois.
(
Inaudible)
our
IIPAs.
So,
[
I
71
This
is
going
to
generate
revenue
for
our
community.
!*
B]
I
m
rcasonablc
for
hundreds
of
sites
a
year.`
I`
he
EJ
[~
a]
It
s
going
to
be
leading
­
it
s
a
positive
thing
for
the
(
191
issue
is
an
important
one
for
us.
And
we
have
an
EJ
1191
future.
I'cople
from
outside
of
the
community,
in
fact
[
TOI
officer.
I
Ie
s
;
I
young
black
­
I
d
like
to
think
he
s
1201
they
WCTC
white
people,
came
in
and
said
this
is
an
[?
j:
young
because
he
s
my
age.
So,
I
would
think
he
s
young.
[
z?]
I~
nvironn~
cntal
Justice
issue.
And
that
this
is
an
impact
[
27j
I%­
obably
hc
is
not.
But
he
grew
up
in
Sclma.
Alabama
in
[
221
on
an
l~
nvironmental
Justice
community
and
really
the
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634
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636
[
i]
people
that
are
there
don
t
know
what
is
best
for
them.

[
z]
And
they
used
that
issue
in
essence
to
stop
that
project.

PI
Who
do
we
listen
to
from
a
state
regulator
[
4]
standpoint?
How
much
do
we
take
cognisance
of
those
are
151
coming
in
from
the
outside
and
now
are
using
it,
an
EJ
[
6]
issue,
making
what
I
would
cali
fancy
legal
arguments
to
[
fl
stop
the
wiU
of
the
community.

PI
Thisisa­
in
the
city
of
Chicago
in
a
suburb
191
outside
the
city
of
Chicago.
One
an
all
black
area,
the
[
lo]
other
basically
an
all
white
area.
Same
type
of
site,

[
1
I]
okay.
We
work
with
the
African
American
community
and
we
[
lz]
heard
what
they
wanted
to
have
done.
The
project
moved
[
I?.]
forward
very
smoothly,
got
done.
In
the
white
community
[
14]
people
were,
they
were
too
damn
smart
for
their
good.

IIS]
They
wouldn
t
listen
to
what
we
said
was
the
appropriate
[
is]
thing
to
do.
They
wouldn
t
listen
to
the
PRPs
that
were
[
17]
working
on
the
project,
and
as
a
result
that
project
has
[
is]
been
a
mess
for
years.
It
s
ruined
their
community.
In
(
191
the
one
instance
­
and
again
this
is
an
instance
of
(
201
sometimes
here
is
a
white
community,
they
were
just
too
[
zl]
smart
for
their
own
good.
And
they
ve
caused
a
problem
[
zz]
for
their
whole
community
relative
to
that
cleanup.
­­_____­
:
I]
used
those
two
examples,
because
it
is
an
idea
you
want
:
z]
to
do
the
best
for
the
communities,
but
they
are,
and
[
3]
I
ll
repeat
pimps,
for
the
communities.

[
41
MS.
HERRERA:
Veronica.

I51
MS.
ROBINSON:
I
U
just
agree
with
what
Charles
[
6]
says.
I
don
t
know,
I
might
be
saying
something
that
is
m
a
little
bit
unpopular
but
I
m
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
[
a]
say
it.
And
I
mean
unpopular
with
people
on
the
panel,

[
g]
too.
I
have
watched
sitcs.
There
s
a
site
in
particular
IO]
in
the
community
where
I
live,
which
in
an
African
II]
American
community,
Roxbury.
And
there
s
a
Brownfields
IZ]
site
there
called
Modern
Electroplating,
and
it
really
131
should
be
a
Superfund
site.
It
s
one
of
the
worst
141
Brownfields
sites
in
Massachusetts.
But
anyway
the
151
owners
of
that
site
are
in
prison.
EPA
did
an
emergency
161
removal
action.
The
state
did
an
emergency
action.
hll
171
kinds
of
liens
on
the
property.
Property
started
moving
181
forward
for
redevelopment
after
years
after
having
been
191
shut
downAnd
there
were
a
couple
of
teams
of
201
redevelopment
teams
that
were
ready
to
come
in
and
do
the
211
remediation
and
clean
up
lhe
site.
One
team
was
financed
zz]
by
a
very
wealthy
family
and
developer
from
Boston,

Page
635
Page
637
PI
So,
again
I
m
bringing
those
outAnd
those
are
121
kind
of
my
experiences
with
these
kind
of
issues
coming
[
3]
from
the
direction
I
ve
been
coming
from.
If
you
care
to
141
comment,
if
you
cart
to
­

El
MS.
HERRERA:
Thank
you,
very
much.
It
s
5:
OO
[
s]
and
what
we
re
going
to
do
is
we
rc
going
to
ask
for
o]
reactions
from
Charles
and
then
Veronica,
and
Michael
and
[
a]
Florence.
And
remind
people
that
we
do
have
a
posted
Ls]
public
comment
period
for
900.
We
re
going
to
a
little
[
IO]
over,
and
please
have
that
in
mind.
We
do
have
dinner
11
I]
this
evening,
and
so
we
will
take
Grant,
and
Bill,
and
(
121
Doris,
and
Aimee
s
questions.
And
that
s
where
we
stand
1131
at
this
time.

[
I41
MR.
UTLEY:
Let
me
just
say
you
really
have
to
(
151
look
through
the
clouds
when
you
talk
to
the
people.
It
IIS]
doesn
t
matter
what
they
perceive
themselves
to
be.
I
~
17)
still
say
that
they
are
pimps
for
pimping
our
[
I
E+]
communities.
They
can
stand
and
say
that
they
are
for
1191
those
communities,
but
let
me
just
tell
you
look
through
[
zo]
the
clouds.
And
I
m
saying
I
think
you
re
remain
wise
LX]
enough
from
what
you
ve
said
to
look
through
those
[
22]
clouds.
And
that
s
in
all
communities.
And
I
m
glad
you
I
[
i]
white.
Had
a
really
wonderful
team.
An
environmental
[
z]
group,
conservation
law
foundation,
which
as
a
good
[
3]
reputation
was
involved,
and
a
number
of
others.
Thcy
[
4]
were
willing
to
throw
in
redeveloping
or
redesigning
:
I
[
s]
park
right
across
the
street
from
this
site.
They
wcrc
[
6]
going
to
create
extra
office
space.
AU
sorts
of
things.

[
7]
All
sorts
of
amenities
that
made
it
look
like
this
was
i
[
a]
the
best
way
to
go.

PI
There
was
another
development
team
that
was
an
[
to]
AfricanAmerican
who
had
no
experience
with
BrownAclds.

[
ii]
He
had
been
developing
housing,
low
income
housing,
but
[
IZ]
he
put
in
his
bid
for
this
site.
Most
of
the
oflicc
[
13]
space
he
was
going
to
create
was
going
to
be
for
his
own
[
14]
company,
so
he
wasn
I
really
bringing
new
income
into
the
[
is]
area.
And
he
didn
t
have
the
funds
or
the
connections
to
[
i6]
do
this
park.

(
171
The
Boston
Redevelopment
Authority
left
it
up
lo
[
IS]
the
community
and
said,
you
know,
we
want
you
to
decide
[
ig]
who
you
want
to
do
this.
The
community
choose
the
[
zo]
African
American
because
they
knew
him
and
they
trusted
[
zl]
him.
hd
while
1
sat
there
and
I
watched
that
process,

[
22]
and
I
kept
thinking
wow,
that
conservation
law
li)
undaliorr
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(
I]
team
was
the
one
to
choose.
1
mean.
this
would
have
been
[
2]
a
great
park.
It
was
a
process
that
the
community
had
to
[
3]
go
through
lo
take
back
their
own
power
and
to
make
their
~
41
own
decisions.
In
the
end
that
property
is
still
sitting
151
there,
and
it
s
not
redeveloped
and
it
has
tons
of
~
61
problems
around
it.

[
71
I%
ut
1
think
that
sometimes
in
order
to
give
the
(
a]
respect
to
the
community
and
to
allow
the
community
to
191
I,
tlild
itself
LIP,
sometimes
there
is
a
bitter
pill
that
[
lo]
has
to
1~
swallowed.
But
in
the
end
1
think
long
term
!
I
11
the
rcsuhs
are
going
to
be
good.
So,
1
just
offer
that
LIZI
example
and
that
piece
of
advice.
1
think
the
important
[
13]
thing
is
building
capacity
within
the
community.

1141
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END
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[
151
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
­
Chicago.
Onaudible).

Ci61
UNIDENTIFIED
MALE:
Arc
you
trying
to
get
people
[
17j
in
trouble
or
what?

[
la1
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
Let
s
sayTameny
llall
in
New
119;
York.
And
you
re
the
slate
ploy.
1
mean,
if
you
weren
t
(
zo]
on
the
mayor
s
short
list,
you
know,
MayorTameny
1
[
zi]
guess.
No.
You
know
what
1
m
saying?
So,
the
issues
pz]
are
real
and
they
re
tough.

111
In
terms
of
your
community
and
the
incinerator
[
z]
Cold
people
will
gladly
acccpl
blankets
when
the
winter
131
is
coming.
Not
knowing
that
before
they
get
their
141
blankcls
that
there
s
small
pox
wrapped
inside,
possibly.

151
1
lo\
zc
working
with
engineers
and
lawyers,
bccausc
you
[
6]
get
so
char.
II
s
Like
c&
her
this
thing
if
you
can
171
weigh
it
and
centrifuge
il,
if
it
s
got
a
spccilic
[
a]
gravity.
and
then
it
exists.
Otherwise,
you
know.

PI
You
look
at
a
community
and
you
can
tell
if
it
s
[
jc]
cliscnfranchised.
1
hate
to
take
New
Bedford
because
[
it]
wc
rc
in
New
Bcdford.
And
1
hate
to
take
the
CapeVerde
[
IZI
community,
l~
c:~
usc
thal
s
my
people
and
WC
rc
hcre.
They
[
iq
used
have
a
bunch
of
soccer
fields,
and
baschall
Gelds,

1141
and
beaches
down
along
the
rivcr.
Ycah,
down
along
the
­

[
ii]
yeah.
the
Acushhnct.
And
then
a
seawall
was
built
and
Ii61
all
that
was
q)
nc.`
l'hen
lhey
had
the
standard
times
~
17;
balllicltl,
which
1
g:
lless
went
to
see
yestcrday?`
l'hen
[
iq
that
s
contaminated,
and
the
contaminated
soil
from
that
[
iq
acts
I"
II
over
in
another
ballfield.
No1
taken
to
he
~
201
disposed
of
somewhere.
but
actually
taken
and
put
in
[
2i)
ariothcr
field
msidc
111~
Cape
Verdian
community.

1721
And
so
you
look
and
you
say
well,
gee
the
plan
[
I]
makes
sense
for
the
city
of
New
Bedford,
but
after
a
[
z]
while,
you
know,
can
1
get
a
bat?
Can
1
get
a
chance
at
[
3]
the
plate?
You
do
still
have
the
dilemma.
Hearing
the
[
4]
elected
officials
saying
they
want
one
thing
and
her
s
~
51
the
community.
But
you
should
have
some
sense
of
whether
[
q
or
not
there
s
a
paltern
of
exclusion
there.
Or
is
it
~
71
just
are
these
ideas
are
so
far
apart,
is
it
unreasonable
(
81
what
the
community
wants?
Are
they
just
asking
for
a
p]
piece
oP
the
pie?
If
you
re
going
to
take
my
home
from
IO]
me
for
pennies
on
the
dollar
and
then
­
in
Pensacola.

I
I]
As
1
said,
they
took
those
homes
for
pennies
on
the
121
dollar.
The
minute
it
was
transferred,
the
ownership
of
14
the
land
was
transferred,
its
value
increased
400
141
percent.
So,
just
on
whoever
took
possession
of
that
151
land
­
let
s
say
1
bought
your
house
of
$
50,000
­
1
m
161
bad
with
math.
Just
by
the
fact
that
it
now
belongs
to
171
be
and
1
get
my
buddies
to
re­
zone
it,
that
same
piece
of
['

I'

1.

I
I[.
I'

[

1.

[
i
81
land
1
gave
you
$
50,000
for
on
paper
­
1
ve
sure
you
ve
[
lq
all
seen
the
late
night
infomercial.
On
paper
that
land
/
Izo]
is
now
worth
$
300,000.
So,
come
on,
this
is
not
rocket
~
211
science.
This
is
not
hidden.
It
s
not
a
cultThis
­­­..­
­
[
zz]
Environmental
Justice
stuff
is
culpable,
it
s
reaLThe
Page
639
Page
641
Page
640
[
I]
old
blues
man,
is
you
is,
or
is
you
ain
t.
And
yes,

[
z]
there
are
people
in
my
community,
that
s
the
(
a]
Environmental
Justice
activist
community,
that
1
say
what
I
141
will
the
preachers
do
when
the
devil
is
saved?
There
are
[
q
people
who
don
L
want
the
devil
to
get
any
better,

[
q
because
they
know
devil
ain
t
no
gig.
Nothing
to
talk
(
71
about
in
church
on
Sunday.
They
don
t
want
you
to
get
[
a]
better,
because
environmental
racism
they
become
issue
[
g]
pimps.
For
it
their
cause
for
existence.
Yes,
so
[
IO]
there
s
problems
on
both
sides.
But
that
doesn
t
mean
,
(
1
I]
that
we
have
to
point
fingers
at
each
other
and
decide
1121
it
s
IOO
complex,
WC
can
t
deal
with
it.
Let
s
get
real.

(
131
MS.
HERRARA:
Thanks,
Michael.
Florence,
if
you
(
141
could
bc
real
quick.

[
I51
MS.
ROBINSON:
WeII
actually,
my
colleagues
have
[
iq
answered
this
question
so
eloquently
1
don
t
need
to
make
1171
any
further
comments.

I
181
MS.
HERRERA:
You
are
wonderfuLAnd
now
my
[
IS]
conclusion
is
giving
it
back
to
the
sister
here.

WI
MS.
McCLAIN:
And
my
conclusion
is
to
thank
you
[
a]
fijr
your
cars
and
to
really
talking
about
Environmental
(~
1
Justice
bctwecn
now
and
the
finalization
of
the
report
we
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[
i]
intend
to
scrutinize
the
strong
task
that
is
before
us.
111
so
even
if
it
s
raining,
we
li
be
under
cover.
So,
don
t
[
z]
And
we
will
provide
written
comments
to
make
sure
that
[
z]
worr;
l
about
that
part.
You
might
want
to
be
coat
or
[
ZI]
the
perspectives
and
the
recommendations
that
should
be
[
3]
something,
because
there
is
an
outside
and
it
may
be
a
(
41
there
in
reference
to
Environmental
Justice
cut
across
(
41
little
cool
in
the
building.
But
there
is
cover
there.

[
5l
all
the
issues
that
we
are
addressingThank
you
so
[
s]
We
would
really
encourage
everybody
to
come.
I
think
it
(
61
much.
And
we
turn
it
back
over
to
the
chair.
[
6]
will
be
a
good
time
and
a
liltle
local
flavor
so
lo
[
71
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
May
I
say
one
more
think.
(
71
speak.
And
we
also
have
a
special
event
we
need
to
PI
MS.
McCLAIN:
No.
i
[
a]
celebrate,
and
we
d
like
all
of
you
to
participate
in
[
Ql
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
I
want
to
just
say.
No,
really.
[
g]
that.
So,
again
7:
00
and
if
last
night
s
any
judge,
the
[
IO]
I
said
a
lot
of
things
about
New
Bedford
because
I
work
[
IO]
bus
left
at
7
minutes
and
15
seconds
after
7:
00
I
think.

[
rl]
with
Old
BedfordVillage
Development
Corporation
and
[
I
I]
so
don
t
be
late
or
you
U
be
boiling
your
clams.

[
QJ
Hands
Across
the
River,
and
they
have
given
me
[
I21
Why
don
t
we
go
ahead
an
initiate
the
public
I131
information
and
I
m
up
here
a
lot.
I
don
t
have
any
[
13]
comment
and
then
as
Hay
said
we
ll
talk
a
little
bit
[
14]
facts
to
back
that.
And
I
see
the
mayor
is
here,
and
I
[
14]
about
the
plans
for
the
rest
of
the
day
and
tomorrow.

[
is]
don
t
want
to
get
on
his
bad
list.
So,
if
you
re
s151
MR.
LOEHR:
The
first
name
on
the
list
is
a
Mr.

[
16]
concerned
about
what
I
said,
check
it
out.
And
I
was
[
16]
Larry
Silverman.
Is
Mr.
Silverman
here?
If
he
is,
would
1171
really
expecting
them
to
be
here,
and
they
re
not.
[
ifl
he
come
to
the
Fphonc
in
the
middle
of
the
room,

[
181
MS.
ROBINSON:
Well
that
how
we
in
Environmental
[
ia]
please.
Looks
liki
Mr.
Silverman
is
not
able
to
be
with
[
in]
Justice
are
actually
usually
do
it.
We
clean
it
up
and
[
IQ]
us
even
though
tic
signed
up
for
it.

[
zo]
then
we
invite
you
to
work
with
us.
Thanks
a
lot.
I
WI
We
have
the
nleasurc
of
having
the
individuals
PiI
MR.
LOEHR:
On
behalf
of
the
subcommittee,
let
[
21]
that
spoke
to
us
last
evening
back
further
comments.

[
zz]
me
thank
the
panel
for
being
with
us.
I
m
delighted
that
[
z]
I
ll
do
it
in
the
sat,
order
that
they
appeared
last
Page
643
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645
[
I]
you
re
going
to
be
spending
a
little
more
time
with
us
to
121
talk
to
the
individuals
one
on
one,
or
small
group
to
[
3]
small
group.
But
really
pleased,
personally,
as
the
[
4l
chair
of
the
committee,
subcommittee,
but
also
on
behalf
151
of
the
overall
subcommittee
that
you
re
with
us.
And
I
[
s]
deeply
thank
Mildred.
And
I
deeply
Dolores
for
arranging
[
7]
for
lhis.
It
s
been
great.
Thank
you.

PI
If
the
Superfund
subcommittee
can
return
to
the
[
9]
table,
we
have
some
public
comments
that
it
s
time
for.

[
to]
And
we
ll
listen
to
those
and
engage
in
some
commentary
11
I]
as
we
did
last
evening.
And
then
we
11
see
the
time
and
[
IZ]
how
you
feel
about
continuing
on
depending
upon
the
time.

1131
So,
again,
we
have
three
individuals
who
have
indicated
~
141
the
desire
to
talk
to
us
about
the
specific
issues,
and
[
IS]
weIl
take
those
comments
right
now,
as
soon
as
WC
get
the
1161
subcommittee
members
back
to
the
tabIe.
You
too,

117)
Mildred,
you
can
come
back.

[
l61
MR.
EHRMANN:
While
everybody
is
getting
~
191
organized,
let
me
just
remind
you
of
the
dinner
[
zo]
situation.
The
transportation
like
last
might
will
be
[
zt]
available
at
7:
00
out
in
front
of
the
hotel.?`
he
place
[
z]
we
re
going
for
the
clam
boiler
has
an
indoor
building,
[
i]
evening.
First
individual
is
Sandra
Jaquith.
hnd
you
(
21
may
recall
her
eloquent
comments
from
last
evening,
and
[
3]
we
re
looking
forward
to
her
comments
for
this
evening.

141
Thank
you,
Sandra,
for
being
with
LIS.

[
51
MS.
JAQUITH:
Thank
you
very
much
for
letting
me
[
6]
speak
again
this
evening.
I
know
it
s
been
a
long
day,

(
71
so
I
II
try
to
focus
in
on
a
few
points.
Couple
things
[
a]
that
came
up
during
your
discussion
I
wanted
to
make
a
[
9]
comment
on.

[
lOI
The
gentlemen
over
here
I
believe,
perhaps
right
~
1
I]
in
front
of
me,
who
asked
about
how
to
improve
the
LIZ]
language
in
the
report
to
better
communicate
with
pcoplc
~
131
One
of
the
ways
to
do
that
would
be
to
release
a
draft
01
[
14]
our
report
to
the
public
for
comment
before
it
goes
into
[
15]
t­
ma1
form.
And
so
iC
you
could
perhaps
put
lhat
on
your
[
i6]
agenda,
that
I
think
might
bc
helpful.

I[
171
Also,
I
ve
already
given
Veronica
and
Michael
[
IS]
fair
warning,
but
1
had
a
question
for
each
ol'
them
liom
[
rg]
their
presentations
that
I
m
asking
them
to
respond
to
[
zo]
during
the
public
comment
pcriod.`
l`
hcrc
s
simple
/
[
ZI]
questions,
md
I
m
afraid
they
might
be
:
I
Little
bit
[
zz]
complicated
answers.
13ut
Veronica
talked
to
~
OLI
~
IX~
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[
I]
the
balance
of
power
with
El%
attorneys
in
this
process.

[
z]
And
my
experience
with
that
issue
is
very
real
and
very
~
31
meaningful.`
l'he
Rocky
Mountain
Arsenal
­
and
of
course
[
4]
in
that
situation
you
have
a
Federal
facility.
So,
you
[
5]
have
DOJ
attorneys
and
EI­`
A
attorneys,
and
DOJ
161
representing
both
EPA
and
the
Army.
I
mean
it
gets
[
7]
relatively
complicated.

PI
But
Shell
Oil
Company
contributed
80
percent
of
[
g]
the
contamination
with
the
Rocky
Mountain
ArsenaLAnd
[
I
01
they
ended
up
paying
about
20
percent
of
the
cleanup
[
111
cost.`
l`
hey
got
a
really,
really
good
deal.
And
I
don
t
LIZ]
think
that
is
an
unusual
occurrence.
I
think
that
~
131
happens
a
lot.
At
the
Shaddick
Superhmd
site
where
they
~
141
overturned
the
decision
and
decided
to
move
the
already
11
s]
monolithed
radioactive
contamination
out
of
the
~
161
community
The
new
ROD
was
written
by
EPA
in
such
a
way
~
171
that
it
allowed
Citi<;
roup,
the
company
that
owns
the
[
ie]
sltc,
to
avoid
any
further
liability
on
the
site.
I
[
T~
I
mean,
it
was
just
incrcdible.
And
despite
of
public
~
201
comments
and
many
public
comments
to
El'A
about
how
they
[
zi]
had
designed
their
report,
they
went
forward
with
that
[
zz]
and
got
very.
very
little
further
from
CitiCroup
in
this
Page
647
1
I
[
I]
next
clean
up
effort,
even
though
CitiGroup
was
part
and
[
z]
parcel
of
a
very
illegal
process
for
reaching
the
[
3]
original
decisions.

PI
So.
those
arc
the
sorts
of
things
that
are
going
151
on
in
the
process
that
cause
a
lack
of
funding
that
[
s]
normally
would
be
available.
And
I
d
like
to
have
[
T]
Veronica
comment
on
any
suggestions
she
has
for
this
181
committee
on
how
to
improve
in
any
kind
of
realistic
way
191
the
balance
of
power
of
EPA
in
this
process.

r
ai
I
also
wanted
to
ask
Michael
if
we
would
comment
~
1
I]
on
and
explain
what
he
meant
with
his
comment
about
j121
tr;
insactional
costs
and
how
high
transactional
costs
are
[
IX]
to
the
Supcrf'und
program.
Because
as
familiar
I
am
with
(
141
I
think
many
of'issucs
you
rc
talking
about,
I
really
[
is]
didn
t
understand
what
that
was
and
why
those
costs
were
[
16]
important.
hnd
hc
talked
about
it
in
the
context
of
the
[
TTI
polluter
pays
conccpt.
And
1
d
like
him
just
to
explain
1101
more'
about
what
that
was
with
any
recommendations
he
[
i9]
might
have
to
this
committee
on
how
to
address
that.

[
a
And
a
gentlemen
over
here
earlier
from
Illinois
(~
11
was
talking
about
­
and
1
thought
it
was
very
[
z:
J]
intcrcsting
he
talked
about
what
it
was
like
to
listen
to
[
II
decision
about
that
tie
up
the
problems
and
exacerbate
!
)
121
the
Icngths
of
these
clean
ups.
So,
I
wanted
to
!
131
encourage
you
to
somehow
include
that
in
your
thoughts
~
41
about
what
you
rc
doing
here.

K
Technical
advisors
was
mentioned
I
think
by
[
s]
iMichael
as
an
important
aspect
to
this,
and
I
would
like
~
71
to
reemphasize
that.
And
on
behalf
of
every
community
[
s]
group
I
ve
ever
know
to
emphasize
it
so
like
a
hundred
191
million
times
for
you
in
that
short
order.
It
s
really
[
IO]
essential.
I
was
just
at
a
technical
assistance
grant
[
I
11
conference
in
Albuquerque
in
February,
and
the
~
(
121
communities
that
came
all
gave
presentations
on
what
`(
131
they
rc
doing
with
the
technical
advisors
and
the
1141
information
that
they
had
brought
forward.
hnd
it
s
[
ISI
amazing
the
positive
impacts
they
ve
had
on
all
of
these
1161
sitcs.?`
hcrc
has
been
rumor
this
past
year
that
those
(
171
funds
are
going
to
be
drying
up.
And
so
it
s
[
ra]
particularly
important
that
you
identify
that
as
an
[
I91
important
aspect
of
the
Superfund
program.

I201
And
then
just
a
couple
of
quick
things.
I
noted
!
[
zi]
thal
on
page
I2
at
the
bottom
you
talked
about
­
there
s
[
zz]
;
I
comment
at
the
very
bottom
regarding
­
looking
a
place
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[
l]
people
and
their
concerns
within
these
many
communities
[
z]
and
stakeholder
communities.
And
it
s
an
issue
that
we
[
3]
all
look
at
regardless
of
the
position
that
we
have
in
14)
this
process.
And
is
he
in
the
room
right
now?
I
ll
try
[
s]
to
fmd
him
separately.
But
I
would
simply
like
to
throw
IS]
out
the
idea
that
he
talked
about
the
ulterior
motives
of
[
7]
EJ
community
people
in
terms
of
using
this
as
a
tool
[
a]
elsewhere.
I
would
invite
him
and
the
rest
of
you
to
191
continually
look
at
the
ulterior
motives
of
any
of
people
IO]
and
particularly
the
elected
officials
in
this
process
I
I]
with
the
decisions
they
bring
forward.

121
I
know
in
our
community
one
of
the
behind
the
is]
scenes
deals
that
was
made
is
that
elected
officials
I
I[

1141
agreed
to
have
a
water
treatment
plant
and
replacement
[
us]
water
put
into
the
community.
And
part
of
the
agreement
[
16]
they
actually
signed
with
Shell
Oil
Company
is
that
they
1
[
ITI
would
not
raise
any
further
complaints
about
the
process
[
IS]
and
about
the
remedyAnd
that
leaves
it
to
the
citizens
[
ig]
to
raise
those
concerns,
because
they
have
by
contract
120)
agreed
not
to
do
that
in
order
to
get
a
payoff.
And
[
ZI]
often
times
there
are
payoffs
in
these
communities
that
[
22:
1
very
f'cw
people
have
been
part
and
parcel
to
making
a
.~
­
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[
I]
marker
here.
And
it
says
the
enforcement
of
[
z]
institutional
controls
and
engineerir.
g
controls
to
ensure
[
a]
that
resources
are
spent
on
cleanup
of
new
sites
rather
[
4]
than
f&
g
old
sites.
I
would
just
like
to
emphasize
[
s]
for
again
that
institutional
controls
are
part
of
the
[
s]
active
remedy.
I
mean,
that
is
the
very
basis
upon
which
17)
we
re
deciding
not
to
spend
money
to
clean
up
these
[
a]
sitesAnd
it
s
not
a
matter
of
furing
old
sites,
it
s
a
(
q
matter
of
continuing
the
remedy
that
was
in
place.
And
[
ioj
many
of
those
sorts
of
institutional
controls
are
in
facl
[
ii]
in
place
on
hot
spot
cleanup
contamination
sites.
I
[
jz]
think
that
the
idea
here
needs
to
be
addressed
in
terms
[
js]
of
including
long
term
institutional
controls,
as
I
said
[
r4]
yesterday,
in
your
Superfund
remedy
selection
and
(
151
process,
and
how
we
re
going
to
do
that
in
the
future.

[
I61
There
s
another
place
where
you
talk
about
[
i7]
states
picking
up
the
cost
of
long
term
institutional
[
is]
controls.
Whether
it
be
states
or
the
Department
of
the
[
lq
Interior,
one
of
the
huge
problems
is
that
the
costs
are
[
zo]
being
passed
along
to
other
people.

PII
So,
that
is
actually
where
my
final
comment
is
1221
going
to
go
to
the
big
picture
of
what
you
re
doing
here.

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651
­

[
i]
I
was
looking
at
New
Bedford
s
information
that
was
121
present
out
frontAnd
in
a
really
wonderful
color
[
q
brochure
here
and
slidesAnd
one
of
the
things
they
[
4]
said
after
all
of
your
meetings
with
them,
et
cetera,
et
[
s]
cetera,
is
that
we
should
recognize
that
Superfund
is
[
G]
underfunded.
Nice
big
yellow
letters
on
blue.
And
[
TI
advocate
for
additional
funding
to
protect
public
health.

[
a]
I
said
it
yesterday,
I
11
say
it
again
today.
It
s
the
191
biggest
problem
you
have
with
Superfund.
My
sense
in
[
ro]
this
discussion
is
that
you
ve
been
tasked
to
try
to
Tmd
[,
I]
to
not
put
more
into
they
system
and
somehow
pull
pieces
~
121
of
contaminates
properties
out
the
Superfund
system
and
[
is]
send
them
elsewhere
to
be
cleaned
up.
There
s
not
enough
~
141
money
anywhere
that
I
can
tell
to
clean
up
the
problems
[
rs]
that
we
have.
And
so
what
happens
in
this
process
in
[
16]
many
ways
is
exemplified
in
the
discussion
about
~
171
Environmental
Justice
Because
there
s
not
enough
money
[
le]
anywhere
for
these
cleanups,
these
all
become
political
,19]
processes.
And
I
can
t
believe
that
everybody
here
po]
doesn
t
know
that.
YOU
know,
it
becomes
less
about
1211
science
and
more
about
what
kind
of
political
prcssurc
[
z)
you
can
put
at
your
site
to
get
a
certain
kind
of
cleanup
­
[
I]
in
a
certain
amount
of
time.
Page
652
PI
As
an
example
of
that,
I
would
focus
you
all
­

[
3]
many
of
you
may
be
aware
of
this,
but
Spring
Valley
in
[
4]
Washington,
D.
C.
has
recently
been
identified
as
major
[
q
contamination
site
with
munitions
from
World
War
I.
And
[
s]
this
is
a
place
with
very,
very,
very
expense
homes
and
r]
embassies,
and
very
well
educated
people
who
have
a
lot
[
a]
of
money.
The
major
arsenic
levels
in
the
soils
all
[
q
around
the
area.
This
is
a
site
where
when
this
was
lo]
identified
just
about
three
years
ago,
there
was
such
an
1
i]
uproar
of
political
activity
that
Spring
Valley
within
121
the
defense
community
got
a
lot
of
money
that
year
pulled
131
off
other
sites
that
had
already
been
identilied
as
141
having
priority
to
be
put
on
Spring
Valley
because
of
151
their
political
connections.
They
got
site
161
characterization
and
sampling
that
no
body
in
the
counlry
171
can
get.
We
think
they
should
have
that.
We
re
not
181
saying
they
shouldn
t
have
it.
We
all
want
it.
What
191
Spring
Valley
got,
give
to
the
rest
of
us
and
put
enough
201
money
in
the
system
that
everybody
can
be
treated
the
way
211
people
with
money
and
high
property
values
arc
treated
in
221
this
country.
And
that
s
exactly
what
EJ
communities
arc
Page
653
[
I]
saying.
Is
because
they
have
low
property
vdhcs
and
[
z]
they
re
considered
to
be
essentially
throw­
away
i
[
3]
communities
like
the
community
that
I
came
from,
which
is
[
4]
a
lower
middle
class
Hispanic
working
community.
You
can
[
q
shoulder
the
burden
of
contamination.
For
heaven
s
sake
[
6]
you
moved
there
because
they
had
cheap
l~
ouses,
right?
So
[
7]
you
should
be
able
to
suffer
through
the
process
of
this.

[
a]
And
in
fact,
I
agree
with
them
thal
those
communities
[
g]
should
be
put
at
the
top
of
the
list
rather
than
the
[
io]
Spring
Valley
communities.

[
Ill
In
terms
of
breaking
this
apart
­
taking
large
1121
sites
and
breaking
them
into
pieces,
which
is
the
ncxl
~
131
step
of
what
you
re
looking
at
with
how
do
you
do
the
[
14]
shell
game
of
­
we
take
the
highest
contamination
sites
[
is]
and
we
clean
those
Up,
lhe
hot
spols,
and
maybe
let
[
I61
everything
else
wait.
I
can
only
pass
on
a
couple
01
I[
171
observations
for
a
citizen
s
standpoint.
1
don
t
know
[
ia]
who
is
advocating
this,
but
they
may
be
contrary
to
whal
[
19]
you
think
you
re
going
to
get
out
01`
that
proc~
ss.
A~~
d
1
~
201
can
see
the
advantages
and
disadvantages
1211
But
as
a
citizen
al
l<
ocky
Mounlain
Arsenal.

[
22]
where
we
had
a
181
sites
and
WC
had
Shell
Oil
Compaq
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with
lots
of
money
to
lead
the
fight
about
what
kind
of
[
z]
clean
up
we
were
going
to
get.
Which
ended
up
not
being
131
clean
up,
but
rather
a
cover
up.
We
advocated
for
the
141
break
up
of
that
site
into
several
operable
units.

[
s]
Because
our
believe
was
that
if
we
had
several
smaller
161
operable
units
for
cleanup
that
the
citizens,
and
the
[
7]
state
of
Colorado,
and
the
EPA
would
marshal
their
[
8]
attention,
their
energy,
and
their
funds
in
such
a
way
p]
th;
lt
WC
could
actually
fight
more
effectively
for
good
[
lo]
affective
cleanup
within
our
communities.

[
I
11
And
when
we
finally
convinced
EPA
that
in
fact
[
izl
it
should
be
broken
into
at
least
two
operable
units,
and
113~
the
regional
administrator
sent
out
a
letter
to
that
(
141
affect.
the
Army
and
Shell
convinced
everybody
to
go
[
is]
behind
closed
doors
without
any
more
public
input.
And
~
161
they
worked
out
an
agreement
that
kept
it
at
one
operable
(
171
unit,
bccausc
that
s
what
was
beneficial
for
industry
and
[~
a]
that
what
was
benclicial
for
the
polluters.

Ii91
So,
my
preference,
yeah.
break
these
into
[
ZOJ
smaller
pieces
and
let
LIS
fight
fairly
and
evenly
on
[
zi]
these
lights
one
by
onc.
The
question
then
becomes
how
[
z]
yo~
1
catagorize
them
and
what
kind
of
measures
you
give
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654
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65fZ
[
II
working
at
EPA
it
was
1989,
and
it
was
a
time
when
the
[
zI
Superfund
got
a
huge
infusion
of
money
and
regions
all
~
1x1
over
the
country
got
tons
of
lawyers.
They
grew
by
50
[
4]
percent,
100
percent.

ISI
I
m
not
suggesting
that
EPA
lawyers
and
[
6]
government
lawyers
aren
t
as
affective.
But,
you
know,
I
[
7]
remember
situations
where
there
s
me
and
one
DOJ
lawyers
,
[
a]
and
there
are
four
Iawyers
for
each
PRI?
It
s
a
little
[
9]
bit
intimidating.
And
it
s
really
just
a
matter
of
being
[
lo)
out­
lawyered
and
out
numbered.
And
so
as
I
was
sitting
I[
rr]
there
and
thinking
about
this
one
of
the
suggesting
that
~
121
I
am
able
to
come
up
with,
and
I
encourage
you
all
to
~
131
sort
of
take
this
issue
and
sort
of
brainstorm
about
it,

,[
14]
and
think
about
it.
One
site
here
in
Massachusetts,

[
is]
which
is
a
Federal
facility
that
I
worked
with.
It
s
[
ISI
called
No
Man
s
Land
Island.
What
happened
was
I
did
[
171
some
outreach
to
­
we
have
one
Federally
recognized
[
ie]
tribe
here
in
Massachusetts,
the
Wampanoag
of
Gay
Head
[
is]
AquinnahAnd
I
did
some
outreach
to
the
tribe,
and
[
zo]
found
out
that
the
tribe
and
the
state
DEP
were
fighting
~
211
the
same
issue.
And
we
ended
up
getting
together
a
[
22]
coalition,
and
I
m
no
longer
working
on
that
site.
But
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655
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657
(
11
for
succcss.
And
I
would
suggest
that
even
though
you
[?
I
break
this
into
smal
Icr
units
that
you
still
identify
~
31
them
as
one,
like
Rocky
Mountain
Arsenal
One,
Rocky
141
Mountain
Arsenal
Two,
Rocky
Mountain
ArsenalThree,
so
1s)
that
when
you
rc
looking
at
both
close
out
in
terms
of
16)
measurements
of
success
as
well
as
prioritization
at
an
:
rl
NPI.
site,
that
all
of
those
pieces
are
taken
into
account
[
8)
when
you
determine
where
they
are
in
this
process
of
[
9j
prioritization.

l'O1
I`
hank
you
again
very
much
for
your
comments.
I
[,
I]
look
forward
to
both
Michael
and
Veronica
in
terms
of
[
121
anhwcring
the
questions.
And
than
you
thr
the
indulgence
~
131
thcrc.
And
I
wish
~
OLI
the
best
of
luck,
and
hopcfuully
1141
wc
II
see
again
at
one
of
your
other
meetings.

[
ISI
MR.
LOEHR:
Thank
you,
Sandra.
Veronica,
you
ve
[
16]
been
kind
enough
to
stay
with
LIS
and
been
asked
for
1171
supplcmcntxy
commcnts.
Thank
~
OLI
for
taking
a
few
[
la]
minulcs
lo
give
them
to
us.

L191
MS.
ROBINSON:
Certainly.
I
set
that
Michael
[
20]
has
dcscrtctl
mc,
but
1
II
do
my
bcst.
Aclually,
you
[
21]
know,
my
answer
is
1
don
t
know.
What
do
you
do
about
[
zz)
lhc
tmlxtlancc
of
power?
I
II)
not
sure.
When
I
started
[
I]
the
coalition
was
the
state
DEP,
the
tribe,
Mass
[
2]
Autobahn,
the
Sierra
Club,
a
host
of
people
who
came
(
31
together
and
were
actually
able
to
meet
in
number
what
i
[
4]
was
going
on
with
the
Navy
and
the
Fish
and
Wildlite
[
sl
Service.
So,
one
notion
that
popped
into
my
head
is
that
'
[
6]
with
respect
to
access
to
senior
officials
and
things
[
n
like
that,
when
EPA
regional
administrators
are
meeting
181
with
PRPs
it
might
be
a
good
idea
to
do
a
little
outreach
1
[
9]
to
the
other
folks
who
are
interested
in
the
issue.

[
to1
Whether
it
s
the
community,
whether
it
s
an
environmental
~
[
i
I]
group,
whether
it
s
the
state,
and
have
them
come
in.

[
iz]
It
s
sort
of
like
an
equal
time
doctrine.
And
if
you
[
131
invite
them
in
and
you
have
that
conversation,
then
you
~
141
hear
about
their
issues
and
that
s
one
way
to
supplement
~
151
the
brain
power
that
s
happening
on
the
other
side
when
(
161
you
have
multiple
PRPs
that
have
multiple
lawyers.
Just
~
~
171
one
very
modest
suggestion.
And
I
m
happy
to
continue
to
[
la]
lhink
about
the
answer
to
that
question.

1191
MR.
LOEHR:
Michael
is
back
and
1
m
delighted
[
20]
that
hc
is.
There
may
well
be
questions
that
each
of
you
1211
have
for
some
of
the
individuals.
I
would
suggest
that
~
221
lirst
we
listen
to
everybody
and
get
their
comments,
and
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[
I]
companies.
Let
s
say
that
there
s
a
settlement.
Who
[
z]
pays
for
both
sets
of
lawyers?
The
insurance
company.

[
a]
Who
pays
the
settlement?
The
insurance
company.

[
41
So,
the
insurance
industry
took
a
look
at
what
[
s]
all
of
the
tremendous
costs
that
were
involved
in
[
s]
determine
what
percentage
of
responsibility
and
ownership
171
on
the
sites.
I
don
t
have
the
figure
with
me
in
my
~
81
head,
but
that
figure
was
so
staggering
that
it
could
[
Q]
have
cleaned
up
even
some
of
the
sites
that
Charles
said
[
IO]
we
don
t
want
to
know
about.

[
ill
The
other
thing
is,
is
that
Environmental
LIZ]
Justice
and
community
involvement
have
become
buzz
words
(
131
I
really
sympathize
with
the
gentlemen
from
the
state
of
(
141
Illinois,
because
what
does
it
really
mean?
And
how
do
[
is]
make
it
mean
somelhing?
How
do
you
aclualizc
it?
I
just
(
161
want
to
say
that
there
a
lot
of
people
who
are
trying
to
[
17]
do
some
cutting
edge
thinking
on
community
involvement,

[,
8]
on
preventative
stuff,
on
setting
things
up
in
a
way
in
1191
which
you
don
t
keep
running
into
the
same
traps.
And
[
zo]
that
there
are
folks
who
are
opposed
to
it
in
principal.

[
zi]
But
that
doesn
t
mean
that
we
have
to
go
back
with
1221
business
as
usual.
____
,
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[`
I
MR.
LOEHR:
`
Ihank
you.
Again,
we
have
one
[
2]
additional
speaker
that
wishes
to
give
us
some
comments.

131
Doris
Bradshaw
who
was
with
us
again
last
evening.

[
4]
Doris,
glad
to
have
you
back
and
looking
forward
Lo
your
i
[
s]
comments.

161
MS.
BRADSHAW:
I
really
didn
t
have
a
lot
of
[
7]
comments.
I
was
kind
of
listening
in
in
the
discussion.

[
8]
And
one
of
the
questions
was
asked.
How
was
Superfund
[
Q]
help
EJ
communities
around
the
health
issue?
1
m
not
[
io]
phrasing
the
way
the
lady
asked
that
question.
But
I
[
i
I]
think
that
you
have
the
opportunity
to
incorporate
what
[
iz]
into
the
mandate
for
Superhmd.
I
think
thdL
it
was
1cH
[
IS]
out.
Whcther
it
was
purposely
left
out,
I
don
t
know.

[
14]
But
ifATSDR,
the
Agency
forToxic
Substance
and
Disease
I[
151
Registry,
was
mandated
to
take
health
assessments,
then
[
16]
this
should
be
a
recommendation
from
this
board.
That
if
(
171
they
are
taking
99
million
some
years
a
state
budget.
103
[
ia]
million
sometimes
a
state
budget.
It
depends
on
what
[
iq
year,
what
the
budget
is
and
everything.
And
I
m
looking
[
no]
at
that
pot
of
money.
which
is
noL
much
comparccl
to
some
[
2i]
of
the
agencies
that
have
large,
large
budgets
for
[
z]
research.
If
this
Agency
is
only
doing
site
cvaluaLions,
­__~

Page
658
($
1
then
if'
there
questions,
we
can
continue
around
the
table
[
2]
and
so
forth.
So,
Michael,
you
ve
kind
enough
to
return
[
3]
and
asked
to
talk
to
us
a
little
bit
your
comment
about
141
institutional
controls.

151
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
No,
actually
it
was
about
[
s]
transaction
costs.

VI
MR.
LOEHR:
Transactional
costs.
Thank
you.

PI
MR.
LYTHCOIT:
The
transaction
cost
in
the
[
Q]
kettle
of
fish
is
this,
polluter
pays
liability.
Here
[
IO]
come
the
lawyers.
Joint
and
severed
liability
so
that
[
ii]
the
money
that
both
polluters
and
the
government
has
to
[
12]
pay
for
if
there
are
multiple
PRPs
on
the
site.
How
much
[
ia]
­
it
s
the
who
shot
John
fight
at
lawyer
s
fees.
And
1141
there
s
so
much
money
going
into
that.
I
used
to
work
[
is]
for
Prudential
Insurance
Company.
In
fact,
I
helped
them
[
IS]
set
up
a
unit
that
looked
at
what
we
called
environmental
117)
relocation.
From
the
insurance
industry
s
perspective
if
[
is]
you
re
releasing
something
low
level,
long
term,
and
[
is]
people
get
sick,
who
ends
up
paying
for
the
health
care?

[
zo]
Insurance
companies.
Let
s
say
there
s
an
explosion
~
211
because
the
community
s
right
there
and
stuff
gets
~
221
damaged
on
both
sides
of
fence.
Who
pays?
The
insurance
Page
659
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660
111
I
don
t
know
if
that
answers
your
question
about
[
2]
whit
I
was
talking
about
in'
terms
of
transactions
costs.

[
3]
But
it
s
basically
all
of
the
costs
that
go
into
fighling
141
about
who
shot
John.

F­
1
MS.
JAQUITH:
How
Superfund
funds
get
[
s]
(
inaudible)?

VI
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
Well,
Superfund
funds
get
[
a]
involved
became
of
the
time
line
it
takes
to
fight
about
[
g]
the
percentage
of
the
ownership.
And
I
don
t
know
IO]
whether
or
not
the
government
s
legal
fees
to
tight
those
I
I]
battles
comes
out
of
the
Superfund
money,
or
that
s
just
IZ]
for
the
cleanup.
But
my
understand
is
that
it
does
come
131
out
of
the
Superfund
money.
And
it
is
an
obscene,

141
obscene,
obscene
amount
of
money.
And
it
also
delays
`
51
action
on
sites,
and
people
are
living
on
the
fence
line
161
and
they
re
dyingThat
s
just
the
reality
thaL
we
f&
c.

71
And
poIluter
pays
­
If
there
s
one
scared
cow
that
la]
environmental
bctivists
around
Superfund,
it
s
the
91
principal
of
polluter
pays.
So,
it
s
not
an
easy
issue
!
o]
and
it
s
a
big
kittle
of
fish.
But
it
s
one
that
I
think
!
I]
that
somebody
peeds
to
look
at
and
do
some
straight
up
/
!
2]
negotiating.
,

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[
II
it
s
not
helping
the
peoplchnd
the
way
1
see
it,
it
111
horse
and
animals
over
there
for
these
kids.

121
was
set
up
to
help
the
people
in
the
fust
place.
But
PI
It
rained
so
bad
in
Memphis
last
year
that
the
131
this
is
monies
that
is
being
wasted,
because
the
reports
[
s]
ponds
flooded.
So,
all
this
radio
active
water
and
other
~
41
is
already
there
about
a
polluter.
The
people
can
t
get
[
4]
chemicals
ran
down
hilLAnd
we
have
talked
about
this
151
the
reports
done
themselves.
I!
nless
there
s
a
­
like
[
s]
and
talked
about
this.
Clean
it
up
before
you
build
it
[
q
Florence
was
talking
about,
a
clinic
service
thal
is
set
(
61
up.
And
as
these
ponds
ran
down
and
flooded
the
section
171
up
where
people
can
go
to.
And
if
it
s
one
clinic
p]
that
was
a
picnic
grounds,
across
the
street
everyone
[
a]
service
with
doctors
that
is
dealing
with
environmental
Is]
thinking
they
re
doing
a
great
job
by
building
up
this
[
s]
healih.
the
numbers
wi]
l
tally
up.
191
site.
They
re
building
a
sportsplex
for
kidsYou
ve
I'
01
1
don
t
know
if
we
have
to
start
pulling
out
[
IO]
got
to
understand
there
s
21
ditches
running
from
this
[
ii]
body
hags
out
the
ground
and
start
doing
testing
on
the
[
I
I]
site
because
this
is
a
watershed.
As
the
water
runs
down
[
jz]
dead
to
see.
But
we
re
actually
the
living
dead
that
s
I(
121
it
runs
in
front
of
the
sportsp1ex.
A
$
4
million
j131
walking
around
with
the
chemicals
in
our
body.
~
31
sportsplex
that
s
soon
to
be
open
for
our
children
to
I141
`
I'hc
other
issues
is
the
operable
units
and
how
1141
play
basketball
or
whatever.
Nothing
was
ever
cleaned
up
[
ISI
they
rc
split
up.
And
how
Superfund
says
well,
this
1151
you
ve
got
to
remember
on
this
site.
[
i6l
operable
unit
is
clean,
but
these
are
real
bad,
this
one
[
I61
And
this
is
what
institutional
control
with
no
[
171
is
not
that
bad,
So,
what
we
can
do
is
set
the
rating
1171
supervision
does
to
communities
like
mine.
Now,
maybe
1181
Ihr
this
particular
amount,
this
much,
and
maybe
we
can
­
[
is]
two
,
years
from
now
these
little
kids
wiIl
be
two
years
[
IS]
­
in
1;
ecleral
hlcilities
they
try
to
move
those
operable
[
is]
older
and
they
maybe
able
to
get
a
home,
a
nice
place
[
ZD]
units
in
line
with
institutional
control
measures.
But
(
201
somewhere
else.
And
when
they
get
sick,
their
mommas
(
211
I
m
telling
you
that
if
a
site
is
dirty,
that
it
should
1211
won
t
know
what
caused
this
illness,
because
it
s
no
any
[
zz]
not
be
moved.
Because
in
the
process
of
a
clean
up
it
[
22]
ovcrsight.
This
is
a
Federal
facility.
This
is
now
they
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665
~
1;
hurts
children
and
other
people
that
s
living
on
these
(
11
do
thingsThe
government
tell
us
how
they
going
to
[
z]
sitcs.
And
what
I
m
talking
about
in
Memphis
at
the
[
ZJ
clean
it
up,
what
they
going
to
do,
whether
we
Iike
it
or
14
Del'ense
Depot,
the
section
where
there
WdS
people
that
[
a]
non.
We
have
no
control
over
it.
None
of
it
should
be
~
41
used
on.
the
colonels,
the
generals,
the
stuff
when
they
141
given
to
anyone
for
any
type
of
Brownfields
or
anything
ISI
visit
rhc
repot,
they
were
housing
units.`
l'he
housing
[
s]
else
until
the
place
is
cleaned
up.
161
unils
was
gtvcn
to
the
low
income
homeless
sheller
KY
Why
should
the
community
sell
their
sole
for
171
people.
On
the
side
they
put
a
large
fence
up.
The
[
7]
redevelopment?
And
that
s
what
we
have
to
do.
Yes,
[
a]
government
put
a
large
fence
11p.
A
eight
foot
fence
[
a]
we
re
economic
deprived,
but
we
also
poisoned.
Why
can
t
1s~
around
three
ponds
that
is
known
to
be
radio
active
and
[
q
it
be
cleaned
up
before
we
build
it
up?
Thank
you.
[~
OI
have
all
types
of
chemicals
in
il.
Therc
was
not
PO1
Also,
on
page
11
­
and
I
m
still
reading
the
;
I
11
supposed
to
be
gardens
on
the
Defense
Depot
sitc.
And
[
ii]
draft
fi>
rm.
The
issue
around
pose
significant
risk
to
[
I;`]
this
is
this
issue
with
land
control
and
institution
(
12)
human
health.
That
pose
significant
risk
out
of
there.
~
13~
control
units
and
stuff,
whatever
the
scientific
name
for
~
131
l.
cavc
human
health,
because
you
all
do
wiggle
words
for
(
141
it
[
141
people
to
get
around.
Make
this
document
as
concrete
as
[
ISI
But
observing
this,
given
lo
the
homeless
[
IS]
possible.
And
every
time
I
see
a
wiggle
word,
I
m
going
[
j~
i
shelter.
the
first
thing
poor
people
are
going
to
do
is
[
16]
to
call
you
on
it,
because
see,
whether
or
no1
you
know
[
I
71
to
make
:
I
gardcn.
And
when
I
pass
by
the
site
I
see
[
i?]
it
or
not,
they
wiggle
around
us.
Thank
you.
(
161
three
little
kids
playing
the
garden.
I
mean,
greens,
!<
a1
MR.
LOEHR:
Thank
you,
Doris.
We
have
the
fast
(
191
corn,
okra,
tomatoes.
Not
a
little
garden,
a
great
big
[
rs]
Individual
that
was
on
the
list
with
us
now,
Mr.
Larry
po]
garclcn.
Ancl
they
re
using
this
food
lo
feed
these
(
ZO]
Silverman
who
as
also
asked
for
some
time
for
public
[
7i1
horr~
clcss
pcoplc
that
5
living
on
this
sitc.
And
here
s
[
zll
comment.
Larry.
`~
1
thrlr
kltls
sitting
there
Ikeding
a
horsc.`
l'hcy
cvcn
had
Fm
MR.
SILVERMAN:
Thank
you
very
much,
Dr.
Loehr.

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[
I]
My
name
is
Larry
Silverman.
I
m
an
environmental
[
2]
attorney
based
in
the
Washington,
D.
C.
area,
and
I
have
[
3]
clients
up
here.
Some
good
ones.
Including
the
city
of
[
4]
New
Bedford.
It
s
hard
for
a
person
like
me
who
s
been
[
5]
involved
for
decades
in
environmental
policy
to
listen
to
161
alt
you
folks
talking
and
not
want
to
say
something.
So,

m
I
apologize
for
taking
up
your
time
at
the
end
of
the
[
a]
day,
but
I
11
try
to
be
brief.

191
The
frrst
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
is
trying
[
lo]
to
fmd
partners
to
help
with
these
clean
ups.
And
two
[
I
11
in
particular
I
think
are
very
important
ones,
the
state
LIZ]
governments,
and
the
other
are
the
other
Federal
~
131
agencies.
With
regard
to
state
governments,
I
was
very
(
141
interested
in
your
conversation
today,
but
I
think
(
151
there
s
one
thing
that
Deirdre
Malloy
said
yesterday
[
16]
which
I
want
to
emphasize
because
I
didn
t
hear
it
1~
71
mentioned
today.
Essentially
she
said
one
of
the
reasons
[,
a]
that
Massachusetts
has
such
an
excellent
program
is
1191
because
the
Federal
program
is
always
looming
behind
~
201
them.
And
if
you
began
tampering
or
changing
the
Federal
[
21]
program,
you
re
going
to
affect
the
quality
of
the
state
[
zz]
program,
I
think
that
s
a
very
important
point.
And
Page
667
[
i]
this
of
course
happens
all
the
time.
You
know,
you
do
a
[
z]
Federal
tax
policy
and
suddenly
the
state
cop
has
[
3]
changed.
But
those
of
you
who
ve
been
in
the
141
environmental
field
for
a
long
time
know
that
when
a
[
5]
Federal
policy
is
implemented
or
a
Federal
law
is
passed
[
s]
in
the
environmental
field,
which
was
not
take
account
of
[
7]
what
exists
in
the
state,
you
sometimes
do
a
lot
of
[
a]
damage
and
it
takes
years
for
the
states
to
recover.

PI
So,
when
you
look
at
the
state
programs,
it
may
[
lo]
not
be
a
idea
for
you
to
critique
the
state
programs.

[
III
But
I
think
it
s
very
essential
for
you
to
critique
and
[
IZJ
to
recommend
what
EPA
must
do
in
running
their
program
in
[
13]
order
to
ensure
the
state
programs
are
strong.
This
is
[
14]
something
the
­
the
administrator
may
not
be
able
to
1151
make
the
states
better,
but
he
certainly
can
make
his
[
js]
program
better
or
her
program
better,
and
allow
the
[
ITI
states
to
do
the
job
they
want
to
do.

[
I81
The
question
OS
finding
partners,
other
119]
investors
in
these
clean
ups.
I
think
what
you
­
I
1201
think
this
a
good
way
to
go
and
one
should
go
that
way.

[
zj]
But
I
think
what
the
basic
point
you
need
to
understand
[
zz]
about
other
agencies,
and
I
ve
done
a
lot
of
work
with
Page
666
[
I]
Corps
of
Engineers,
and
HUD,
an
Economic
Development
[
z]
Administration,
is
that
every
program
has
it
s
own
[
3]
purposeAnd
it
would
be
naive
and
mistaken
to
think
[
4]
that
you
could
get
the
Corps
of
Engineers
to
adopt
EPA
s
[
s]
purposes.
But
on
the
other
hand
the
Corps
of
Engineers
[
6]
is
interested
flood
control,
they
re
interested
[
7]
occasionally
in
municipal
water
and
sewer
issues,

[
a]
sediment
remediation,
many
other
areas.
And
they
re
a
[
g]
good
partner
to
the
EPA.
But
when
you
partner
with
them
IO]
you
re
not
just
saying
well
we
re
going
to
unload
the
111
burden
that
EPA
has
onto
the
Corps
of
Engineers
and
take
121
their
money
and
just
forget
about
it.
That
s
not
the
way
131
it
s
going
to
work.
You
re
going
to
see
that
the
Corps
141
can
do
things
which
are
complementary
to
what
EPA
s
151
doing,
and
which
will
make
the
whole
enterprise
more
K]
valuable.
So,
that
not
only
do
you
have
a
clean
port,

171
but
you
have
a
working
port.

IsI
And
it
maybe
that
by
coordinating
these
191
activities,
you
know,
doing
maybe
perhaps
a
navigational
!
o]
dredge
along
side
of
a
contaminated
sediment
removal
!
I]
dredge
that
there
will
be
savings.
And
often
that
s
the
z]
case
that
you
will
save
some
money
and
reduce
some
costs.

Page
669
[
g]
Administration
program,
to
help
redevelop
the
sites
along
[
IO]
side
the
harbor
you
re
cleaning
up,
the
result
will
be
(
11
I
think
the
coordination
in
New
Bedford
of
the
navigation
[
z]
dredging
and
the
Superfund
dredging
will
result
in
some
[
3]
cost
savings.
They
may
not
be
huge,
but
they
ll
be
[
4]
significant.
And
I
think
there
will
bc
a
lot
of
[
5]
opportunities
there.
But
even
more
importantly,
the
[
6]
value
of
what
you
create
will
bc
so
much
greater.
If
you
~
71
could
get
the
Brownfields
program,
or
one
of
the
IlIJD
[
a]
programs,
or
the
EDA,
the
Economic
Development
[
ii]
much
more
valuable
than
either
of
the
two
together.
So.

[
iz]
you
may
not
bc
spending
that
much
less
money,
but
you
11
~
131
be
buying
a
great
deal
more
through
the
partnership.
BUI
[
14]
it
requires
coordination
and
leadership.
We
have
it
here
[
15]
in
New
Bedford,
but
it
doesn
t
always
occur.
And
that
[
is]
sometimes
­
the
local
government
can
do
a
lot.
But
I
[
17]
think
you
also
could
do
a
lot.
hnd
I
think
it
s
[
ra]
essential
that
the
EPA
begin
Lo
think
through
memoranda
[
ig]
of
understanding
with
the
other
l:
cdcral
agencies
to
set
[
zo]
where
their
activities
coalesce
and
where
they
rc
[
21]
complemcnlary
to
each
other,
and
develop
those.`
l`
lrcy
V<

[
22]
done
it
in
the
Brownfields
arca,
I
don
t
think
they
vc
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really
done
it
much
in
Superfund.
So
a
lot
more
can
be
[
z]
done
I
think
New
Bedford
s
a
great
example
of
it.

131
Someone
suggested
the
Grand
Calumet.
I
think
that
s
what
[
4]
you
re
seeing
there,
that
you
get
people
working
together
151
in
ways
that
are
complementary
without
infringing
on
161
their
purposes
or
asking
them
lo
do
what
only
EPA
can
do,

[
71
or
asking
EPA
what
it
can
t
do.
And
you
get
better
[
a]
projects
and
better
results.
And
so
much
for
that.

PI
And
then
a
question
of
what
you
do
with
limited
[
IO]
funds.
1
help
people
raise
money,
especially
from
the
~
151
Federal
government,
for
a
living.
So,
I
take
a
different
~
1~
1
view
of
it.
IIow
do
you
spend
your
fi.
lnds
in
a
way
that
~
131
make
it
possible
to
raise
more
money?
That
s
why
I
asked
1141
the
question.
And
I
think
the
way
you
do
that
is
be
[
l;
j
successful.
Nothing
succeeds
like
success.
Do
good
[
is]
projects.
Do
them
to
completion.
Do
them
efficiently,

1171
cost
cffcctively.
And
when
you
do
that
and
you
can
[
ia]
deliver
some
of
these
projects.
and
when
you
can
say
oh
[
rgl
well.
the
rock
fishermen
are
back
on
the
Hudson
River
as
12111
a
result
of
what
we
did,
and
we
did
it
in
an
effective
1~
11
way.
then
everybody
s
going
to
want
one.
You
re
going
to
1221
create
a
demand
for
this
what
it
is
you
re
delivering,
[
II
account
of
that.
Here
in
New
Bedford
the
question
is
do
121
we
do
the
cleanup
in
4
years
or
do
we
do
it
in
26
years?

[
s]
And
it
s
not
hard
to
think
of
what
a
26
year
scenario
~
41
means.
First
of
all,
it
means
it
wiII
never
be
done.

~
51
Because
in
26
years
the
Iandfiis
that
we
re
using
in
~
61
Michigan
in
Utah
or
wherever
they
are
may
be
fried.
Or
r/
l
the
railroad
situation
may
change.
Who
knows
what
wiII
[
a]
happen
in
26
years.
And
so
we
II
have
to
redo
the
ROD
(
91
yet
again,
a
third
time
at
huge
expense.
Spend
another
[
IO]
$
40
miIIion
without
accomplishing
anything.
It
really
`[
11]
doesn
t
happen.

1121
But
more
particularly
­
the
previous
speaker
~
13~
was
much
more
eloquent
than
I
ever
could
be.
You
know,

~
141
what
arc
the
ConsequencesYesterday
when
we
were
on
the
(
151
Wood
Street
site,
if
you
look
across
the
river
there
was
[
16]
house
and
there
was
swing
set.
This
was
within
a
few
1171
feet
of
the
area
that
was
being
dredged.
Just
as
I
was
[
re]
coming
by
here
hurrying
to
get
to
this
meeting
from
[
tg]
another
spot,
going
too
fast,
on
the
Route
6
bridge,
the
(
201
Fair
IIaven
Isridge,
there
was
an
old
gentlemen
with
his
[
ZII
granddaughter
fishing.
I
don
t
think
they
were
doing
[
zz]
anything
wrong.
It
looked
quite
idyllic,
except
I
knew
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672
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673
111
the
product
and
service
you
re
delivering.
People
are
[
I]
there
was
a
cloud>>
ver
that
fishingAnd
I
was
hoping
[
2)
going
to
want
it.
And
that
s
going
to
be
reflected
in
[
2]
they
didn
1
eat
the
fish.
131
what
the
Congress
does
and
what
the
administration
does.
19
So,
one
of
the
consequences
­
which
I
think
you
[
4]
If
you
say
alright
let
s
clean
up
everybody
half
way,
and
[
41
just
have
to
tell
people
is
that
the
human
health
risk
151
have
no
completed
projects.
and
have
no
beneficial
reuse,
f51
will
be
extended
if
you
don
t
spend
enough
money.
And
I
p5
I
think
nobody
s
going
to
want
it
and
it
s
going
to
look
[
6]
don
t
think
­
that
s
not
saying
you
must
spend
enough
171
like
a
waste
of
money.
Or
let
s
do
only
studying,
never
[
7]
money.
You
should
just
teII
them
the
truth.
[
s]
any
clean
ups.
No
one
s
going
to
see
the
product.
1
[
f%
We
saw
yesterday
a
lot
of
factories
with
broken
[
sj
think
you
need
to
have
a
product
you
can
sell.
It
s
more
[
s]
windows,
or
cemented,
or
boarded
up
windows.
I
can
tell
[
la]
important
to
finish
a
work
that
s
been
started
then
to
[
i
01
you
that
if
this
cleanup
could
be
expedited,
those
I
11
:
I
start
:
I
whole
bunch
of
others.
because
that
will
restore
[
ini
coniidcnce
in
what
you
re
doing.
And
it
will
cause
[
131
people
to
want
to
give
you
more
money.

[
I41
Now­
on
the
question
whether
this
subcommittee
1151
should
speak
to
funding
issues.
And
I
know
there
s
been
1161
a
debate
as
to
what
your
charge
is.
I
think
perhaps
one
iI71
question
you
might
ask
yourself
is
­
and
a
question
[
ia]
which
I
think
the
administrator
and
the
president
and
the
`
191
(
Congress
will
want
to
ask
thcmselvcs,
is
what
happens
if
120)
there
s
not
more
money?
Not
saying
there
should
be
more
[
il`
il
money.
What
are
the
conscqurnces
of
under
funding
this
[
22]
program?
It
seems
to
mc
you
ought
lo
glvc
an
honest
­_"­.­­­
.­.__­
­­­_­.
­
[
I
11
factories
would
be
filled.
I
m
sure
the
mayor
would
[
iz]
agree
with
that.
The
fact
that
the
Superfund
activity
~
131
and
the
problem
that
generates
is
an
impediment
to
~
141
economic
development
in
this
city.
Mayor
KaIisz
s
doing
~
151
a
great
job
despite
ail
that
and
really
bringing
about
[
IQ
some
economic
development.
There
s
no
question
about
it
1171
that
a
delayed
cleanup
will
cost
economic
development
in
:
i8]
inner
cities,
or
in
rural
areas
that
have
similar
.
I91
unemployment
problcms.
That
s
just
a
fact.
And
it
seems
201
to
me
as
professionals,
as
people
with
huge
211
cl":
llilications,
you
have
an
obligation
to
tell
decision
221
makers
that
that
s
a
fact,
and
they
can
make
their
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[
I]
decisions
accordingly.

I21
And
of
course,
we
saw
an
Osprey
yesterday.

~
31
There
s
lots
of
stuff
about
the
ecological
situation.

[
4]
Here
we
know
that
the
sediments
migrate.
It
s
only
a
(
51
pound
a
day,
or
a
half
pound
a
day.
It
s
not
[
s]
catastrophic,
but
you
wait
26
years
it
begins
to
add
up.

[
A
So,
there
s
ecological
consequence
as
welLYou
ve
got
[
a]
to
tell
people
thatAnd
then
let
the
politicians
make
[
s]
the
decisions
that
they
have
to
make.
And
that
s
why
[
lo]
they
re
tough
decisions,
because
you
have
all
the
facts.

[
I
I]
And
I
think
if
you
fail
to
sort
of
stake
those
facts,
you
~
121
haven
t
really
lived
up
to
your
obligations.

[
I31
So,
just
to
summarize.
There
are
partners
out
114)
there.
You
ve
got
to
figure
out
how
to
work
with
them.

1151
It
s
not
simple.
The
real
way
to
raise
money
is
to
good
[
16]
projects
and
bring
them
to
completion
and
make
them
[
17]
models
that
people
admire
and
brag
about.
And
if
you
[
ia]
don
t
do
enough,
there
are
consequences
and
you
ought
to
[
lg]
say
them.
Thank
you,
very
much.
And
1
thank
you
for
all
~
201
your
efforts
into
this
committee.

1211
MR.
LOEHR:
Thank
you.
Does
any
of
the
~
221
subcommittee
members
have
questions,
comments,
[
I]
a
subcommittee
member
and
think
like
a
mother,
and
your
[
z]
child
is
wheezing.
Is
it
hay
fever,
or
is
it
­
a
mother
131
living
on
a
fence
line.
Is
it
hay
fever
or
is
this
,
[
4]
wheezing
the
sign
of
lung
cancer?
Or
some
homeowner,
you
[
5]
really
want
to
fix
the
roof.
You
go
to
the
bank
for
a
41
Secondly,
my
preference
is,
when
1
was
coming
up
51
in
school
­
I
m
55,
so
bhck
history
didn
t
quite
make
61
it
when
I
was
coming
up.
I
have
people
in
my
family
that
71
fought
in
the
Revolution;
iryWar.
And
I
always
wanted
a]
blackAmerican
s
story
to
bc
interwovrn
into
the
history
91
of
America.
And
I
think
that
if
you
can
­
the
`
01
Stanislavsky
method
of
acting
they
called
it
sense
!
i]
memory.
If
you
can
connect
with
the
issues
of`
these
!
z]
people
and
know
that
when
you
hear
the
word
EnvironmcnCal
.__________~_____.

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675
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677
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interaction
that
they
d
like
to
have
with
any
of
them.

[
2]
Aimee.

PI
MR.
EHRMANN:
You
need
to
use
the
mic.
Rescue
141
it
from
its
tether
here.
We
11
get
Mike
to
come
up
­
if
~
51
he
s
going
to
be
responding,
up
to
the
mic.
[
I]
Justice,
it
s
really
that.
And
then
make
sure
that
that
[
2]
vision
is
woven
in,
that
you
fmd
a
way
to
put
it
in.
It
~
3)
will
feel
right
when
you
re
doing
it.
Failing
that,
the
[
4]
only
thing
to
do
is
to
lack
it
on
as
an
add
on.

161
MS.
HOUGHTON:
You
said
something
about
how
(
71
community
involvement
and
Environmental
Justice
has
[
e]
become
buzz
wordsAnd
I
tend
to
agree
with
you
on
that.

191
And
I
always
fmd
it
a
challenge
in
these
types
of
[
lo]
dialogues
about
how
to
address
those
two
topics.
Do
you
[
II]
set
them
apart?
You
have
a
section
on
public
1121
participation.
And
you
have
section
on
Environmental
[
is]
Justice.
So
you
set
them
apart.
Or
do
you
weave
them
PI
Butlmtired
of
going
to
conferences
­
like
[
6]
the
Browntields
conference
­
where
all
the
money
guys.

[
7]
all
the
powerful
people
arc
on
one
track
taking
care
ol'

[
a]
business,
cutting
deals,
learning
the
art
of
the
deal.

[
g]
And
the
EJ
people
are
on
a
separate
track
preaching
to
IO]
the
choir.
It
s
stupid.
Now,
is
that
better
than
not
I
i]
addressing
EJ
at
the
Brownfields
conference?
Yes.
But
121
we
rc
so
busy
shooting
at
each
other
across
the
fence
131
line
that
nobody
s
listening.
Nobody
s
looking
to
SW
s]
home
improvement
loan,
but
you
find
out
because
you
rc
71
next
to
a
Superfund
site
you
ve
been
redlincd.
You
think
e]
back
in
your
life
about
the
time
that
your
parents
put
a
91
mortgage
on
their
home
that
allowed
you
to
go
to
college.

01
The
first
way
to
get
across
the
fence
line
is
to
put
I]
yourself
in
those
positions
as
a
family
person,
a
21
property
owner,
as
whomever,
and
begin
to
see
what
it
31
feels
like
to
be
there.

~
141
into
the
whole
­
it
s
one
of
the
underpinnings.
It
s
[
14]
where
progress
has
been
made.
Nobody
s
looking
to
see
1151
one
of
the
tenants.
And
so,
as
opposed
to,
oh
yeah,
WC
1151
what
interest
we
actually
share
in
common.
And
so
I
took
j16]
can
t
forget
community
involvement
in
EJ,
what
do
we
do
­
[
i6]
out
this
job
in
Louisiana.
And
I
was
working
for
this
1171
­
and
this
really
a
question,
because
I
struggle
with
it
[
i7]
big
fancy
consulting
called
Moran,
Stahl
and
Boyer,
and
IIS]
all
the
time.
What
is
it
that
we
do
to
make
sure
that
[
in]
all
the
Dow
Chemical
Plant
is
that
Michael
Lythcott
was
119
it
s
one
of
the
underpinning
so
we
actually
no
longer
[
I
91
coming
to
New
York
to
be
the
project
director.
And
01
12111
have
to
ask
the
question,
it
iS
automatically
implied.
[
zo]
course
I
showed
up
and
I
was
black.
And
this
was
in
WI
MR.
LYTHCOTT:
Okay,
fist
of
all
you
fmd
your
[
2i]
Iberville
Parish,
Louisiana.

~
221
heart.
First
thing
you
do
is
that
you
stop
thinking
like
VI
And
so
you
reach
a
certain
point
whcrc
~
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say
I
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didn
t
come
here
to
make
you
a
better
human
beingYou
[
z]
don
I
even
realty
have
to
like
me.`
I'here
was
comments
(
31
made
about
we
know
our
Nigra
s
down
here,
and
you
don
t
~
41
have
to
come
down
here
with
your
Yankee
ideasAnd
we
re
[
s]
hiring
you
for
this
kind
of
job
and
we
don
t
want
that
[
6]
kind
of
job
kind
of
lhing.
What
it
went
down
Iike
to
was
171
this,
you
can
go
home
and
talk
about
mc
like
a
dog.

[
a]
That
s
line.
Because
as
quite
as
it
s
kept
around
my
[
g]
dinner
table
was
some
of
funniest
jokes
about
white
[
IO]
peoplc.`
I'hat
s
okay.
But
white
we
re
here
it
s
about
[
lil
bang
for
the
buck.
While
we
re
here
that
we
have
an
pn]
overlapping
set
goals
that
we
ought
to
be
able
to
work
on
[
13]
productively,
and
if
I
end
up
understanding
the
~
141
constraints
of
a
government
regulator
better
at
the
end
(
151
of
the
day,
fine.
If
you
end
up
at
the
end
of
the
day
[
16]
better
understanding
what
it
s
like
to
live
on
the
fence
1171
tint,
fine.
But
let
s
keep
it
about
the
business.
Let
s
[
in]
try
to
find
our
overlapping
goats.
So,
I
think
that
s
[
191
thr
way
to
do.
I
don
t
know
if
I
ve
answered
your
poj
question.

1211
MS.
HOUGHTON:
Can
I
just
say
one
more
thing?

[
22;
It
5
in
reference
to
what
Doris
was
saying
earlier.
I
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679
/

[
i]
think
this
is
a
really
important
point
when
we
talk
about
[
ZJ
land
use.
And
she
used
Federal
hcilities
as
an
example,

[
3]
but
it
s
a
reuse
issue.
And
I
11
expand
the
Federal
141
facility
example.
Sometimes
people
think
just
because
;
5]
thcrc
was
housing
some
place,
it
5
perfectly
fine
to
have
[
6]
it
thcrc
again.
And
in
the
case
of
I'ederal
facilities
~
71
you
do
have
base
housing.
And
it
s
been
there
in
some
[
a]
cases
like
the
Presidio,
other
places
for
over
100
years.

IS]
But
that
housing
was
initially
designed
under
the
premise
:
io]
those
people
wcren
t
going
to
be
thcrc
for
very
tong.

.
I
I]
That
they
rotate
through.
And
I
think
that
as
we
look
at
IZ]
cvcn
private
sites
understanding
the
history
of
the
kdnd
131
and
what
the
purpose
of
what
the
land
was
is
central
to
141
understanding
what
the
reuse
can
bc,
or
what
it
can
t
be
151
111
many
cases.
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
Because
is]
in
lhc
cxamptc
that
Doris
gave
it
was
extremely
for
me
171
heart
wrenching.
llcca~~
sc
just
a
couple
months
ago
I@]
Verontc.:
r
talked
about
how
she
was
getting
a
phone
call.

191
I
get
phone
calls
a
lot.
But
a
couple
months
a
women
who
PO]
11vc.
s
on
base
housing,
military
housing,
a
wife,
e­
mailed
211
nlc
pictures
of
the
contatnination
that
exists
in
her
zz]
house
She
has
no
real
rccoursc
at
this
point.
I
think
I
1161
covering
it
in
one
manner
or
another.
If
we
d
been
able
[`
7;
to
break
that
into
several
operable
units,
I
really
[
IS]
believe
that
we
would
have
been
able
to
get
actual
[
I91
treatment
of
the
chemicals
on
those
sites.
Because
we
[
zo]
would
have
the
opportunity,
both
resources,
people,
time,

[
21;
and
political
ability
to
move
those
decisions
in
a
1221
different
Wdy.
Since
they
were
done
in
a
package
form,
Page
680
they
are
the
realities
and
I
strain
a
little
bit,
and
it
s
late
and
I
m
tired,
and
1
apologize.

When
we
look
at
reuse,
I
do
think
we
have
to
understand
the
history
of
the
land
if
we
re
going
to
address
the
larger
problem.
That
s
ail
I
II
say.

MR.
LOEHR:
Thank
you.
Vicky,
do
you
have
yours
up.

MS.
PETERS:
Yes.
Quick
question.
Quick
answer
I
hope
for
Sandra.
You
mentioned
­
we
are
really
tired
1
hope.
I
hope
you
take
pity
on
us.
But
you
were
talking
about
the
issue,
which
I
happen
to
think
is
one
of
the
biggies
yet
that
we
have
to
address,
and
that
is
this
parcclization
or
segregation,
or
whatever
of
the
sites.
And
we
ve
touched
on
it.
We
haven
t
really
gotten
into
it.
You
made
a
statement
that
at
the
Rocky
IMountain
Arsenal
we
went
with
one
operable
unit
because
that
was
in
the
best
interest
of
the
Army
and
SheILAnd
I
m
not
sure
that
it
was
clear.
I
have
my
own
ideas
on
how
that
went
down,
but
I
m
not
sure
it
would
be
clear
to
anybody
else.
I
m
not
even
sure
what
you
were
thinking
on
that.
If
you
could
explain
that.

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MS.
JAQUITH:
­
complex
multitudes
of
things
that
ncedcd
to
be
done
at
Rocky
Mountain
Arsenal.
Shell
Oii
Company
was
the
onIy
part
of
the
RPPs
or
the
regulatory
agencies
that
really
had
the
numbers
of
people
and
the
atnount
of
money
to
do
a
good
job
of
deciding
where
they
wanted
to
go
and
how
they
wanted
to
get
there.

And
it
certainly
was
my
observation
as
a
citizen
though
the
state
worked
exceptionally
hard
they
were
understaffed
and
uncterfunded
for
such
a
huge
site.
EPA
was
certainly
understaffed
and
underfundedAnd
both
the
state
and
EPA
were
always
playing
catch
up
to
what
the
Shell
and
the
Army
were
setting
an
agenda
for.

So,
from
that
standpoint,
I
believe
that
WC
could
have
­
WC
ended
up
with
a
remedy
that
literally
that
leaving
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141
to
anybody,
especially
our
speakers?
Well,
as
Vicky
[
is]
noted,
as
Aimee
noted,
and
1
note
looking
at
all
of
you,

[
is]
it
s
been
a
long
day.

[
I71
We
have
two
items
of
administrative
activities
[
18]
still
to
cover.
It
will
be
very
short.
Angelo,
would
[
13]
you
like
to
education
all
of
us
what
you
are
talking
to
(
201
Dolores
about?

WI
MR.
CARASEA:
I
was
talking
to
the
hotel.
It
~
221
might
be
too
late
for
Dolores.
That
s
okay
then.

[
II
MS.
HERRERA:
Wait
a
minute.

I21
MR.
CARASEA:
The
hotel
will
take
the
tax
exempt
131
form
for
the
EPA
travelers
that
I
have
included
in
your
(
41
packages.
I
talked
to
one
of
the
women
at
the
desk
[
5]
today,
and
she
talked
to
the
manager.
So,
tomorrow
[
s]
morning
when
you
check
out,
try
it.
If
you
run
into
m
problems
with
the
morning
person,
we
tried
our
best.

L31
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Do
we
just
hand
it
to
[
q
them?

[
lOI
MR.
CARASEA:
Yeah,
you
have
to
fill
it
out,
and
~
1
I]
just
hand
it
to
them
and
they
should
take
the
taxes
off.

(
121
Sometimes
it
works.
Sometimes
it
doesn
t.

1131
MR.
LOEHR:
Thank
you,
Angelo.
That
s
one
of
~
141
the
administrative
things.
I
11
torn
it
over
to
John
for
[
IS]
a
few
other
administrative
things.

[
I61
MR.
EHRMANN:
In
terms
of
tomorrow
s
agenda,

~
171
we
re
going
to
start
at
S:
OO.
We
will
cover
the
items
[
I]
nobody
else
had
enough
power,
or
money,
or
resources
to
[
z]
be
able
to
fight
a
game
that
Shell
had
really
control
[
3]
over.
Does
that
answer
that.

(
41
And
within
that
context
I
would
add
just
another
[
s]
thought
that
I
added
yesterday.
And
that
is,
that
161
innovated
technologies
are
really,
really
essential.
And
[
q
the
same
thing
is
true
in
EJ
communities.
If
we
want
to
[
a]
get
away
from
leaving
contamination
in
place,
then
we
[
q
have
to
fmd
some
better,
faster,
more
cost­
effective
[
IO]
ways
to
treat
chemicals
and
get
them
out
of
these
[
I
11
communities
rather
than
leaving
them
around
for
long
term
(
121
headaches
in
the
future.

1131
MR.
LOEHR:
Other
comments
from
the
subcommittee
Page
683
[
i]
move
to
the
work
process
that
WC
U
use
to
get
the
next
(
21
draft
done,
as
well
as
talk
about
some
issues
related
LO
[
3]
the
September,
November,
and
December
meetings,
both
[
4]
scheduling
and
the
length
of
the
meetings.
So,
if
you
[
5]
haven
1
looked
at
your
calendars,
take
another
look
at
[
s]
extending
the
3rd
and
4th
potentially
to
include
the
5th,

[
7]
which
is
a
Friday,
the
September
3rd
and
4th,
and
then
[
a]
add
the
5th.
November
we
would
hopefully
add
the
4th,

[
g]
which
would
be
Tuesday
to
keep
that
on
a
Tuesday,

[
IO]
Wednesday,
Thursday
to
avoid
the
travel
close
to
the
[
I
I]
weekend,
so
we
could
add
the
Friday
if
you
want.
And
21
then
also
take
another
look
at
December
9
and
10,

31
potentially
11.
And
I
realize
that
date
had
some
41
conflicts
for
folks,
and
1
can
t
remember
who
it
had
the
51
conflicts
for,
so
we
lI
take
another
look
at
those
dates.
`
11
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191
UNIDENTIFIED
FEMALE:
Was
that
Sue?

1:
!
O]
MR.
EHRMANN:
No,
it
wasn
t
Sue.
So,
let
s
say
ai]
July
1
for
returning
­
for
the
deadline
for
returning
?
2]
the
written
comments
on
the
current
draft.
July
1
.
You
yp­­.­.­.­­~~
~.

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685
161
Rather
than
have
the
comments
due
on
this
draf
171
on
June
27,
there
s
been
a
request
to
extend
that
to
the
131
following
Monday
to
give
you
the
weekend
to
work
on
it.

[
i]
still
can
ask
for
a
special
dispensation,
but
the
price
[
2]
is
going
up,
Aimee.
Be
aware.
So,
we
I1
do
July
1
for
[
3]
that.
Tonight
7:
00
on
the
trolley
for
dinner.
And
then
[
4]
8:
00
tomorrow
in
this
room
to
get
started
on
lomorrow
b
~
51
agenda.

PI
MR.
LOEHR:
I
want
to
go
toVicky
for
a
minute.

(
71
But
another
administrative
thing
that
1
m
sure
will
be
[
a]
brought
up
at
least
by
the
chair.
Guaranteed
to
quit
[
q
tomorrow
by
about
12:
OO
to
12:
3O.
Will
the
individuals
[
IO]
be
on
their
own
for
lunch
or
arc
we
going
to
do
something
[
ii]
else?

[`
21
MR.
EHRMANN:
On
your
own
for
lunch.

[
131
MR.
LOEHR:
No
problem
So
you
know
that
when
,[
14]
we
re
done,
you
got
to
lind
your
own
lunch.
Vicky.

[
I51
MS.
PETERS:
I
was
just
wondering
if
it
would
[
16]
possible
to
extend
an
invitation
to
lhc
public
cornmentors
[
17]
lo
join
us
on
the
trolley
and
dinner
since
there
arc
only
[
IS]
that
we
didn
t
get
through
today.
WC
won
t
be
making
any
[
IS]
three
of
them.
Thc
panelists
I
know
is
already
invited
[
1q
decisions
about
things.
So,
it
s
okay
to
talk
about
the
I191
MR.
EHRMANN:
Yeah,
that
1
would
be
line.
We
1201
issues.
We
11
spend
about
the
fitst
hour
and
half
[
zo]
have
to
ask
­
we
11
take
care
of
it.
Ycah.
that
would
~
211
wrapping
up,
measuring
program
performance,
pollution
[
21]
be
fine.
Why
don
t
you
talk
them
if
you
could
as
0~
11.

[
zz]
prevention,
and
coordinating
committee.
And
then
WC
11
I[
221
emissary
if
they
rc
already
on
their
way
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[
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8:
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306:
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18;
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414:
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335:
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367:
13;
385:
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390:
13;
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398:
18;
400:
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13;
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12;
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15,
16,
16;
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7,8;
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16;
682:
9
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341:
18;
613:
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17
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355:
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12
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316:
9;
332:
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336:
4
337:
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338:
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20;
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11;
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8;
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650:
22;
651:
6;
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20;
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19;
677:
17
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9;
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7;
407:
6
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332:
16;
359:
3;
378:
20;
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555:
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651:
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680:
12
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326:
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163:
5;
466:
5;
469:
9;
194:
13;
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11;
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16;
627:
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11
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408:
3,3,4;
521:
8
11;
562:
4;
567:
13
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564:
3;
612:
9
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508:
21
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353:
8
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552:
21
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309:
8;
310:
8;
312:
21;
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326:
3;
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22;
329:
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333:
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17;
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19;
546:
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565:
21;
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6;
621:
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636:
7;
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13;
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21;
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10,12;
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630:
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18;
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33:
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634:
9;
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15,
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20
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18;
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591:
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19
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360:
22
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639:
2,4
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383:
12
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383:
16;
582:
15
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616:
3
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318:
4
blindness
611:
2
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574122
blocks
543:
3;
588:
5
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436:
s;
615:
18
blow
393:
7
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387:
13;
651:
6
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641:
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661:
16
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673:
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459:
16
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374:
12,
12;
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7;
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13;
447:
1
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575:
6;
611:
10
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424:
21;
463:
4;
464:
22;
552:
7;
555:
15;
556:
10;
652:
16;
662:
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644:
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455:
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590:
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349:
18;
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16
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335:
9;
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11;
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1;
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20;
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17
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619:
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360:
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417:
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17
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318:
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13,
15;
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5;
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9;
416:
22;
431:
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17,
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319:
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392:
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325:
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327:
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20;
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312:
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12;
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334:
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580:
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22
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471:
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640:
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11;
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13,
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669:
13
346:
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14;
348:
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341:
19;
615:
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490:
17;
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18,
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359:
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362:
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52915
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610:
19;
611:
14;
624:
7,
12;
626:
2;
636:
12;
656:
16;
658:
16;
676:
20;
677:
17
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37418;
392:
2;
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388:
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584:
16;
679:
19
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333:
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500:
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338:
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339:
17;
351:
4;
356:
17;
670:
3
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306:
16,1&
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316:
l;
319:
4;
327:
20;
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367:
11;
370:
11;
395:
11.
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398:
13;
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10;
437:
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466:
19;
467:
14;
485:
19;
535:
17,18;
537:
14;
538:
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544:
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567:
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574:
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576:
22;
577:
13;
633:
20;
645:
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649:
12;
653:
3;
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2
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466:
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589:
19
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491:
3
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611:
8
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61
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357:
9
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325:
13,15
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307:
9;
308:
7,8;
311:
1,3,18;
314:
1/
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315:
15;
318:
4,
13;
321:
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322:
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333~
4,
13,
22;
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8,
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523:
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13,
15,16;
530:
13,14;
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11,14;
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19;
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4,
12,13,15;
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1,
13,
15;
558:
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559:
12;
560:
2;
564:
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567:
4,4;
568:
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570:
14,
14;
571:
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572:
6,20;
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574:
8;
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12;
576:
12;
579:
6;
582:
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585:
17;
587:
4,9,
10;
589:
13,
14;
590:
5;
591:
20,21;
595:
3,5;
596:
9,10,
11,18;
599:
13;
600:
18,19;
601:
20;
602:
1,
2,
13,
18,21;
603:
13;
606:
3,
17;
607:
18;
608:
16,
18;
609:
6,8;
612:
8,12,14,
15;
613:
5,
13,21;
615:
14;
616:
20;
617:
9,
18;
618:
3,
4;
620:
13,
15;
621:
6;
622:
13;
623:
8;
635:
18;
639:
6,9;
640:
2,2;
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12;
643:
8,
17;
651:
14,
19,22;
652:
17,20;
653:
4,
16,20;
658:
l;
662:
4,7,17,
18;
665:
8;
667:
15;
668:
14;
669:
16;
670:
1,6,7,
17,
18;
671:
9;
673:
9,22;
675:
16;
676:
19,21;
678:
7,21;
679:
14,
14;
684:
14;
685:
1
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568:
17
12,
14,
18;
446:
16,
20;
466:
7;
518:
14;
536:
1;
661:
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367:
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4;
375:
10;
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18;
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387:
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10.
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314:
22;
369:
18
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597:
8,
17
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359:
17
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355:
16:
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684:
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316:
20
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308:
12;
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389:
6;
403:
18;
482:
3,
5;
486:
13;
497:
20;
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14;
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20;
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411:
22;
412:
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417:
16;
418:
1;
419:
14;
421:
7,
15;
422:
10,14,
15;
424:
8;
426:
22;
427:
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313:
22;
365:
2;
374:
13,
19;
375:
2;
378:
l;
383:
6;
490:
9;
540:
4,10;
543:
7;
622:
1;
623:
1;
638:
13
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625:
21,21,22;
639:
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550:
13;
681:
15
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326:
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343:
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328:
13;
370:
18
665:
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11,
16,
18,
19,20;

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337:
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520:
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338:
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553:
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639:
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618:
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559:
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317:
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528:
19;
552:
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602:
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619:
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371:
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327:
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20;
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324:
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18;
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415:
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462:
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482:
13;
596:
12
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410:
13;
494:
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666:
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309:
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385:
20;
419:
2;
429:
11
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352:
21;
416:
13;
504:
12;
505:
3;
510:
14;
545:
16;
548:
11,
22;
562:
18
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8,12;
394:
20;
395:
5;
404:
10;
416:
11,
13;
420:
20;
555:
4;
652:
16
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585:
6
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323:
22;
336:
lS;
344:
6,9;
364:
15,
17;
365:
4;
368:
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15;
j78:
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15;
454:
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456:
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15;
608:
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608:
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305:
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55:
21;
572:
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99:
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21;
620:
16,
18;
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307:
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306:
8,9
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653:
6
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416:
l
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46714;
555:
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42:
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6
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6,13
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561:
19;
571:
5,
6;
579:
19;
605:
9;
615:
14;
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18
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558:
lS;
i63:
7;
571:
4,13;
590:
18;
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7;
596:
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629:
6;
i62:
13;
663:
lO;
664:
4;
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19;
682:
lO
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304:
13
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542:
9
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339:
19;
633:
7,
3;
634:
8,9;
638:
15
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hief
440:
17
:
hild
575:
lO;
676:
2
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464:
15;
564:
20;
j74:
5;
663:
1;
664:
13
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366:
12;
473:
lS
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562:
9
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hip
527:
16
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hlorinated
563:
21
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hocolate
545:
9
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381:
21;
426:
3;
151:
13;
504:
11,11;
576:
13
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352:
lS;
389:
s;
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34:
8,9;
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666:
3;
i73:
14
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610:
18,
22;
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l
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643:
22
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644:
ll
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595:
3
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321:
13;
340:
4;
370:
9;
384:
17;
S99:
6;
405:
18;
439:
6;
140:
6;
452:
12;
496:
13
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439:
4
clarify
537:
14;
538:
22;
628:
13
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403:
11;
458:
19;
595:
14
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653:
4
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592:
11,11
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528:
s
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374:
17
classify
538:
15
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507:
9
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331:
22;
333:
17;
338:
6,7;
340:
20;
342:
17;
343:
l;
345:
4,7,9;
354:
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360:
2;
378:
l;
397:
21;
412:
7;
438:
6,6;
455:
11,

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144:
2
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677:
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416:
1;
637:
19;
538:
1
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587:
6
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376:
4
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317:
lO
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550:
9
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465:
12;
510:
18
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575:
15;
641:
7
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525:
l;
541:
17;
544:
7
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625:
l;
673:
lS
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646:
17,22;
647:
1
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653:
17,21;
681:
7
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464:
4;
465:
2;
579:
20;
588:
4;
610:
12;
648:
18;
654:
6
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303:
19;
358:
l;
494:
19;
533:
16;
549:
19;
57O:
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574:
22;
576:
13,
13;
577:
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584:
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590:
8;
611:
9,
10,11;
621:
10,
14;
12;
456:
9,9,20,20;
459:
l;
464:
14;
478:
4;
489:
17,20;
490:
14,
14,
15;
498:
21;
519:
16;
524:
19;
528:
14;
529:
6;
541:
2.5,20;
542:
3;
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20;
550:
3,
13;
560:
13;
561:
13;
564:
4;
565:
4;
568:
5;
569:
13,
14,
14,15;
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612:
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14;
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618:
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18;
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21;
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19;
647:
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649:
2;
650:
7;
651:
14;
653:
15;
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662:
l6,22;
664:
5;
665:
2;
666:
10;
667:
19;
668:
16;
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8
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336:
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337:
9;
338:
22;
339:
s;
342:
l;
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8,
11;
394:
21,
22;
397:
1,2,15;
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6;
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12;
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5;
490:
15;
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17;
493:
l;
495:
19;
500:
21;
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4;
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17;
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597:
13;
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9;
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360:
13;
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14,
18;
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10;
464:
21;
474:
21,22;
525:
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19;
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3;
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331:
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355:
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20;
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582:
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614:
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639:
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580:
18,
19
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485:
14
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316:
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344:
16;
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477:
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481:
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487:
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565:
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586:
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376:
4
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339:
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351:
16;
583:
14;
666:
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616:
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662:
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615:
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390:
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404:
3;
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14;
434:
6;
482:
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497:
3;
524:
l;
655:
5;
684:
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335:
9;
564:
5;
578:
14;
654:
15
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342:
14;
497:
s;
579:
7
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578:
12
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673:
1
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635:
15,20,22
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445:
11
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303:
6;
657:
2
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620:
3
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575:
15
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304:
5,
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400:
8
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593:
12
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588:
3
coalesce
669:
20
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639:
2
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older
463:
7
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615:
15
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381:
12
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382:$
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523:
14
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503:
2
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306:
14;
527:
20;
595:
19;
641:
15
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321:
5
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405:
3
zollectively
473:
7
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303:
21;
676:
9
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663:
4
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342:
3;
500:
22;
j52:
21;
554:
5,10;
559:
10;
j69:
S;
573:
17;
578:
22;
j81:
6;
592:
18;
6OO:
lj;
513:
14;
651:
2
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304:
5;
654:
7
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353:
2;
481:
lO
combinations
449:
19
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338:
G;
353:
4;
408:
s;
410:
s
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478:
7
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335:
16,
338:
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357:
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387:`).
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414:
14;
418:
22;
425:
S;
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587:
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578:
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523:
l
EPA
312:
14;
313:
lO;
316:
6,
10,14;
319:
6;
323:
22;
326:
lO;
327:
1,1,
1,17;
330:
6;
345:
12,
15;
358:
5;
359:
l;
36O:
l;
361:
14;
364:
16;
369:
21;
371:
5;
373:
8;
374:
2,2;
375:
3,8,
12,17,20;
376:
8,
16;
377:
10,
19;
378:
3,6;
380:
12,
19;
381:
9,11;
382:
3,21;
383:
4;
385:
lO;
389:
ll;
390:
3,16;
395:
14;
396:
2,13;
398:
13;
408:
5,
8;
417:
11;
419:
17;
423:
7;
424:
l;
426:
12;
427:
l;
431:
4,8;
433:
2;
434:
5;
435:
12;
439:
17;
440:
13;
441:
14;
442:
16;
445:
10;
446:
1,18;
448:
16;
453:
15;
465:
4,14;
466:
7,
18;
467:
16,
18;
476:
14,21;
477:
13;
481:
18;
486:
7,7;
488:
11,11,14;
489:
21;
490:
7,9;
491:
5;
493:
17,
19;
49412;
495:
8;
497:
20;
498:
4,
12,18;
500:
4;
504:
5;
507:
16;
508:
7,
11;
512:
18;
518:
17;
52O:
ll;
521:
3,
10;
525:
15;
526:
4,
7,16;
530:
9,
18;
533:
13;
535:
19;
542:
12;
543:
4;
546:
4;
547:
21;
548110;
549:
3,
18;
556:
16;
562:
21;
564:
2;
565:
18,22;
566:
9,
17;
575:
5;
586:
3;
591:
3;
592:
2,16;
593:
6,20,22;
594:
20;
596:
7,7;
597:
1,
10;
599:
6;
601:
4;
607:
8,
22;
608:
16;
616:
lO;
617:
2,
19;
621:
20;
622:
1,3,12,
18,18;
623:
1,3;
627:
2,21;
636:
15;
646:
1,5,6,
16.20;
647:
9;
654:
7,
11;
656:
1,5;
657:
7;
667:
12;
668:
4,9,
11,14;
669:
18;
670:
6,7;
681:
9,11;
683:
3
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631:
17
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501:
3,4
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490:
8
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523:
6
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580:
2;
586:
3,

4,8
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508:
l
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18
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547:
2
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310:
7;
311:
7;
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lO;
440:
16;
451:
22;
531:
19;
538:
18;
548:
7;
561:
2;
583:
3;
599:
19;
618:
17;
670:
10;
682:
14
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523:
7
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307:
9;
572:
14;
634:
2
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398:
6;
649:
lo;
667:
ll;
669:
18;
682:
6
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393:
5;
4
11:
9;
515:
5;
653:
2;
666:
17
establish
352:
9,
10
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500:
ll
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622:
20,20
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518:
18
estimates
425:
ll
et
327:
17;
344:
2;
358:
1;
368:
3,3;
394:
19;
426:
19;
429:
16;
432:
10;
461:
8;
473:
ll;
526:
20;
542:
3;
544:
10;
615:
20;
651:
4,4
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625:
3
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324:
19;
475:
5;
507:
14;
509:
lO;
521:
l;
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369:
11;
537:
9
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364:
4,
19;
512:
13
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329:
5,8;
365:
3;
366:
3,14;
367:
3;
368:
16;
384:
21;
52312;
578:
3
evaluations
367:
1;
661:
22
evaluative
328:
6
even
317:
4;
337:
3;
350:
14;
351:
8,11,
19;
354:
22;
367:
12;
373:
20;
376:
11;
381:
5;
389:
11,
16;
391:
11;
395:
2,6;
401:
22;
408:
15;
414:
12;
416:
1,7;
419:
5;
420:
15;
421:
10;
445:
8;
450:
20;
451:
4,9;
452:
3,6;
467:
17;
477:
2;
489:
22;
496:
4;
499:
6;
502:
12;
522:
15;
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527~
5;
534:
l;
55O:
lO;

562:
9,20;
563:
3;
572:
9;
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350:
4;
505:
7;
551:
8;
556:
2;
560:
6;
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578:
l;
591:
18;
610:
21,
22;
1
628:
2;
657:
12
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398:
20;
581:
11;
617:
lO
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581:
ll
equation
591:
16
equity
340:
8;
554:
16;
617:
7
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336:
17
575:
3,9,13;
576:
14;
577:
lO;
582:
9;
587:
9;
591:
8;
592:
4;
604:
11;
612:
7;
619:
20;
621:
14;
628:
15;
629:
12;
630:
16;
644:
1,19;
647:
1;
655:
1;
659:
9;
663:
22;
669:
5;
678:
2;
679:
12;
680:
20
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573:
1;
635:
ll;
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628:
17
556:
11
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335:
X;
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iiO
7;
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346:
12
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643:
ll;
644:
21;
645:
1,2,
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588:
20
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327:
14
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5;
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l:
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3
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654120
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495:
16;
550:
14;
629:
1,
1,2;
644:
7
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428:
9
everybody
313:
16;
331:
8;
339:
12,
19;
348:
11;
357:
21;
363:
8;
367:
20;
369:
3;
429:
15;
430:
20;
432:
16,20;
433:
1,
12;
438:
7;
447:
21;
449:
1,
12,

18;
450:
2,
17;
471:
2,8,
11;
472:
7,9;
49415;
498:
6;
509:
lO;
520:
8,13;
521:
lO;
533:
15,16;
544:
12;
55O:
l;
551:
lO;
571:
5,6,7;
585:
21;
598:
2;
599:
21;
602:
7,8;
603:
14;
616:
2;
627:
3;
630:
9;
643:
18;
644:
5;
651:
19;
652:
20;
654:
14;
657:
22;
670:
21;
671:
4
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438:
14;
534:
4;
560:
17;
601:
6
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308:
lO;
311:
11;
336:
19;
337:
13;
425:
21;
430:
11;
476:
19;
496:
lO;
511:
12;
537:
1/
i;
664:
7
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510:
lo
evidence
359:
17;
379:
10
evidently
590:
16,17
evolution
317:
6;
616:
19
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396:
1
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606:
22
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607:
1
exacerbate
649:
1
exact
467:
9
exactly
346:
5;
363:
2;
364:
17;
366:
20;
396:
22;
429:
12,
18;
449:
12;
482:
19;
523120;
587:
20;
652122
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378:
lO
examine
570:
18
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387:
l
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314:
16;
354:
5;
360:
4;
361:
15;
362:
6;
371:
8,12;
446:
11;
454:
11;
461:
19;
462:
18;
477:
15;
487:
14;
489:
17;
518:
17;
519:
20;
527:
21;
542:
13;
605:
l;
616:
2;
62212;
633:
7;
638:
12;
65212;
670:
2;
679:
2,4,
16
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352:
4;
353:
l;
367:
8;
502:
2;
632:
lO;
636:
1
excellent
390:
22;
393:
lO;
412:
21;
462:
17;
559:
ZO;
596:
21;
666:
18
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348:
l;
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3;
613:
15;
672:
22
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681:
8
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461:
11,
12
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461:
21;
640:
6
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400:
22;
565~
22
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552:
14;
593:
17
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651:
16
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683:
2
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376:
13
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390:
11;
559:
11;
560:
12;
609:
22;
618:
1;
625:
14
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610:
3
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1:
9
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330:
3;
426:
13;
508:
l;
568:
6
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375:
l;
476:
12;
559:
8;
572:
ll;
639:
8;
667:
7;
679:
21
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411:
17
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514:
18;
585:
lo;
679:
3
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311:
l;
344:
22.
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508:
l;
516:
10;
531:
4;
547:
1
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531:
5
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325:
14;
396:
20;
434:
12;
600:
18
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411:
19
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602:
5
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623:
19
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323:
20;
589120;
642:
17
expedited
465:
16;
673:
lO
expeditiously
528:
17
expenditure
349:
4
expenditures
475:
6;
507:
6
expense
32215;
344:
16;
442:
17;
468:
15;
652:
6;
672:
9
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404:
6;
468:
17;
515:
15;
519:
8
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419:
15;
420:
2;
470:
17;
510:
20;
516:
13;
527:
22;
530:
19;
533:
22;
549:
2;
592:
3;
604:
1;
623:
16;
626:
9;
637:
lO;
646:
2
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370:
17;
565:
6;
598:
20
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548:
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13;
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571:
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424:
21;
482:
4:
594:
14
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612:
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312:
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571:
19
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322~
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365:
17
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548:
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428:
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436:
7
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427:
12
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435:
21;
437:
6;
467:
13
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658:
20
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561:
15
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561:
16
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558:
17;
570:
9;
571:
3,4,5:
598:
5;
623:
19
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560:
17;
5619,
16
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424:
ll;
486:
9,
10;
502:
13,21;
563:
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572:
8;
579:
21;
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630:
20
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553:
21;
614:
21;
615:
15;
623:
21
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302:
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20;
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329:
19
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353122;
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532:
X
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453:
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684:
17;
685:
16
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673:
5
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684:
6
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327:
2;
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371:
l;
523:
10
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328:
7;
336:
1/
I;
359:
7;
393:
16;
395:
21;
397:
16;
404:
14;
461:
3
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321:
12;
391:
s;
409:
15;
441:
11;
516:
11,
17;
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529:
20;
6:
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6
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518:
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567:
12;
594:
15;
596:
22
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409:
12;
430:
10;
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16,
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19,20;
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680:
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491:
21;
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475:
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326:
22;
330:
1;
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12;
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551:
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15,20,21;
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17;
586:
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3;
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20;
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22;
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17;
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17;
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488:
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493:
19;
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18;
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585:
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587:
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608:
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609:
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10;
620:
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640:
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650:
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653:
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15;
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19;
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20;
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11
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673:
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480:
4;
481:
13,
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484:
20;
490:
4;
492:
14;
493:
21,572:
12;
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4
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379:
12;
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14;
674:
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473:
17;
545:
14;
611:
2;
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11;
645:
18;
672:
20
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627:
5
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460:
s;
620:
1
1;
654:
20
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S32:
19:
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8;
554:
18
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10;
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5:
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405:
16;
62:
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383:
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574:
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622:
17,
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622:
19
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467:
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614:
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627:
15,643:
12;
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634:
6;
677:
17
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551:
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677:
3
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306:
s;
319:
15;
321:
l;
380:
22;
382:
4;
421:
8,10;

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446:
18;
483:
11;
509:
lS;
571:
15;
590:
9;
606:
5;

309:
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9;
612:
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433:
18;
451:
2;
581:
14
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309:
15;
368:
17;

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309:
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415:
5
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393:
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529:
16;
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19
582:
5
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530:
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5;
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9
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570:
12
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615:
7
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417:
l
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471:
2
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456:
1
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398:
7
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649:
11
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10:
11,
12;
315:
7;
317:
3;
327:
7,16;
328:
s.
16,21;
332:
14,17;
335:
11,
22;
337:
21;
338:
l;
345:
10,
11,
17;
349:
14;
352:
12,
21;
353:
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15,
16;
354:
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362:
4,9;
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18;
364:
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3;
380:
16;
381:
19;
382:
21;
418:
6;
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2;
436:
14;
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480:
9;
494:
19;
500:
5;
519:
14;
540:
10;
541:
8;
555:
13;
556:
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562:
21;
564:
18;
565:
22;
573:
11;
574:
10;
577:
9;
594:
4,6;
611:
1;
612:
7;
646:
4;
656:
15;
662:
19;
664:
22;
666:
12,
19,
20:
667:
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669:
19;
670:
11;
679:
2,3,6
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656:
17
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456:
10;
611:
3
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663:
20
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318:
4;
320:
14;
395:
9;
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353:
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351:
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522:
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303:
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441:
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526:
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317:
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318:
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668:
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519:
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522:
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670:
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336:
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16;
380:
19;
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16;
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19;
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21;
502:
22;
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19;
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12,
14;
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525:
4;
554:
2;
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22;
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5;
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5;
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6,
8;
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6;
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12,
13;
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4;
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505:
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572:
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555:
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432:
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18;
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15
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580:
5
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495:
9
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672:
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373:
17;
374:
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663:
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574:
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314:
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371:
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647:
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533:
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20;
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430:
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352:
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545:
20
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311:
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631:
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591:
12,
17;
592:
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655:
22
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534:
12
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550:
9
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384:
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392:
3;
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481:
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373:
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365:
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379:
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426:
10
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45,4:
11
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563:
21
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558:
14;
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17
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563:
15
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312:
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378:
20;
399:
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547:
19;
587:
20;
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361:
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605:
15;
617:
7;
384:
17
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426:
3
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513:
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355:
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392:
5;
431:
16;
504:
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633:
21
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381:
18;
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552:
17;
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594:
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14;
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6;
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563:
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673:
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311:
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62.3:
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311:
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314:
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16;
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596:
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12;
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5;
437:
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438:
6,
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20;
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19;
498:
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20;
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9
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625:
4
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440:
21;
468:
21
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11;
396:
13;
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559:
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568:
21;
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79:
16;
589:
9;
660:
8,
15;
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62:
20;
676:
3,
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677:
13;
178:
17
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363:
17;
426:
8;
125:
3;
618:
18
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462:
21
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47~
3
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362~
10
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309:
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310:
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311:
16;
320:
11;
326:
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328~
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329:
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333:
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334:
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342:
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349:
22;
354:
15;
357:
13;
388:
15;
399:
5;
411:
3;
415:
17;
417:
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443:
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19;
463:
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10;
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15;
470:
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479:
17;
495:
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516:
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579:
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586:
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630:
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636:
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646:
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5;
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588:
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599:
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626:
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636:
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678:
16
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341:
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558~
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615:
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662:
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663:
1,21;
670:
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676:
3
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307:
14;
308:
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309:
12,22;
318:
2,
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320:
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321:
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322:
12;
325:
18;
328:
18;
330:
4;
333:
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14;
343:
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363:
2,6,9;
366:
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369:
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385:
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387:
5,6,6,14;
388:
3;
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19;
393:
21;
395:
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404:
19;
406:
14,
21;
411:
1;
414:
22;
415:
10;
428:
3,18;
430:
s;
440:
6;
442:
14;
445~
3;
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5;
448:
10,22;
449:
16,17;
450:
6;
458:
lZ;
46o:
lO;
464:
lS;
467:
4;
469:
4,
11;
472:
lS;
475:
16;
484:
Zl;
485:
3,7;
487~
22;
492:
7;
501:
9;
504:
2,5;
505:
5;
506:
3,
16;
510:
5;
511:
9;
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22;
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7;
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22;
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l;
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5;
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10;
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19;
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14,
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20,21;
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12,22;
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18;
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5;
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16;
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7;
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19;
630:
6,
12;
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9;
633:
6;
636:
3,5;
543:
10,11;
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22;
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4;
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14,20;
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12;
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12;
349:
10;
50:
6,
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13;
365:
14;
369:
9;
370:
7;
37
1:
18;
372:
lS;
374:
lZ;
375:
4;
376:
9;
377:
14;
379:
18;
381:
7;
382:
14;
383:
10,16,
21;
384:
5,
16;
390:
20;
391:
l;
392:
16;
393:
20;
394:
l;
395:
lO;
396:
lS;
398:
l;
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8,16;
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19;
404:
17;
405:
lS;
409:
2,11;
410:
3,22;
411:
2;
412:
4,
16;
415:
10;
416:
18;
417:
2,22;
419:
3;
421:
21;
422:
21;
429:
8,9;
430:
13;
433:
16;
434:
14;
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451:
12;
453:
4;
455:
4;
457:
13;
462:
22;
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12;
465:
7;
468:
3;
469:
9;
471:
15,18;
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7,
10,
15;
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13;
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5;
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17;
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2,6,
19;
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22;
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7;
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lO;
494:
13;
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22;
496:
12;
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5,8;
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21;
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7;
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13;
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9;
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9;
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5;
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3;
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22;
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19;
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6;
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4;
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21;
545:
5;
550:
16;
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21;
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15;
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15;
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19;
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7;
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1;
665:
18,22;
674:
21;
680:
6;
682:
13;
683:
13;
685:
6,
13;
686:
2
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414:
4
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338:
11
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319:
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333:
22;
341:
2;
354:
lO;
369:
17;
376:
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380:
21;
392:
4;
394:
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9;
420:
14;
426:
2,19;
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lO;
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17;
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22;
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4;
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15;
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7;
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5;
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5;
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19;
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2;
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lO;
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15;
567:
5,6;
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19;
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2;
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13;
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10;
645:
6;
650:
13,
17;
658:
18;
667:
4;
679:
10;
682:
11,
16
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388:
14;
391:
ll;
408:
11;
417:
9;
422:
10;
537:
6;
542:
14;
656:
22;
675:
19
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369:
lO
look
318:
2,
11;
319:
6;
323:
l;
325:
lO;
327:
16;
336:
19;
338:
17;
340:
15;
342:
16,22;
343:
19;
344:
8;
346:
9;
347:
4;
348:
4;
349:
5,15;
350:
10,18;
351:
14;
356:
15,22;
358:
18,20;
361:
1,13;
363:
20;
366:
11;
367:
13;
36&
l,
5;
371:
10,21;
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75:
20;
376:
s;
378:
2,8,
l&
18;
382:
20;
383:
15;
385:
10,22;
392:
4,5;
S93:
17;
396:
5,6;
397:
2,7;
402:
l;
408:
9,10;
413:
5;
114:
22;
415:
2,4,16;
418:
4;
423:
8;
424:
l;
426:
16;
434:
6;
447:
7;
449:
21;
452:
20;
456:
11;
458:
4,22;
465:
10,15;
467:
21;
470:
12;
485:
12;
486:
15;
497:
7,22;
498:
l;
507:
13;
508:
3;
512:
14,18;
520:
21;
521:
2,10,
18;
523:
14;
529:
15,
17;
530:
2,
2;
531:
12,
17,19;
534:
ll;
535:
7;
537:
5;
543:
16;
549:
5;
550:
5;
553:
5,19;
554:
15,16,17,19,21,22;
555:
1,3,13;
557:
12;
572:
l;
573:
15,16;
574:
13,
14,18;
575:
9,12;
578:
16;
581:
21,22;
587:
12,
20;
589:
1,12;
593:
4,15;
594:
13;
598:
6;
601:
9;
603:
18;
605:
15;
611:
21;
617:
21;
618:
7,
10;
620:
12;
624:
16,
19;
628:
5;
635:
15,
19,21;
637:
7;
639:
9,22;
648:
3,9;
655:
ll;
659:
4;
660:
21;
667:
9;
671:
6;
672:
15;
679:
11;
680:
3;
684:
5,
12,15
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322:
2;
323:
l;
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337:
21;
346:
3,9;
347:
11;
352:
16;
374:
13;
557:
13;
583122;
605~
5;
619:
17;
622:
13;
628:
6;
633:
15,
15;
658:
16;
672~
22;
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307:
7;
308:
11;
319:
4,7;
325:
7;
327:
9;
328:
19;
329:
7;
331:
5;
332:
s;
379:
17;
380:
2;
385:
2;
386:
9;
391:
7,22;
392:
22;
394:
3;
395:
14;
403:
7;
405:
8,20;
4
15:
14;
419:
22;
422:
1;
423:
10;
459:
4;
460:
20;
461:
17;
462:
5;
464~
9;
47013;
482:
17;
491:
13;
501:
13;
509:
17;
510:
17;
524:
19;
527:
ll;
531:
13;
536:
12;
540:
7;
542:
15;
545:
12;
553:
21;
584:
2;
586:
19;
596:
7;
603:
12;
605:
12;
610:
2,20;
617:
4,5,9;
620:
7;
627:
21;
629:
20;
645:
3;
649:
22;
651:
l;
653:
13;
655:
5;
661:
4,
19;
677:
13,14;
682:
15
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347:
9;
391%;
408:
10;
4
15:
9;
617:
2;
644:
18
looming
666:
19
loops
480:
7
Lorenz
303:
21;
386:
2,3
Los
579:
22
lose
412:
22
losing
519:
7
loss
543:
2;
561:
22;
586:
17;
617:
4
lost
330:
5;
341:
18;
344:
20;
440:
ll;
561:
21;
562~
5;
585122
lot
306:
6,6;
311:
21;
316:
20;
328:
12;
334:
6;
335:
12,14,
14;
338:
9;
339:
3;
349:
12,14;
351:
16;
354:
ll;
356:
12;
357:
ll;
360:
7;
364:
s;
365:&
S;
367:
19;
373:
2,
10,
10;
376:
20;
377:
lO;
379:
1,4;
386:
ll;
387:
2;
390:
14,
17;
393:
3;
394:
7;
402:
4,
14;
405:
11,12;
414:
13;
419:
12;
420:
7,8,
13;
421:
12;
429:
4;
431:
14;
432:
5,9;
434:
3,7,22;
435:
5;
436:
11,
13;
451:
5,
5;
452:
9;
464:
13,20;
465:
l;
466:
13;
470:
19;
479:
lS;
481:
15,17;
483:
13,16;
491:
15;
497:
l;
499:
6,
19;
506:
12;
507~
2,
4;
508:
15,17;
509:
8;
523:
11,
22;
524:
15;
525:
8,
13;
529:
14,21;
531:
21;
533:
4;
548~
5;
551:
12;
553:
s;
561:
lS;
577:
19;
578:
7;
583:
6;
58917;
590:
4,16;
591:
ll;
596:
19;
597:
7,16;
598:
15;
603:
8,
16,21,22;
604:
9;
607:
7,7;
608:
12,
17;
627:
15,
16;
628:
8;
629:
14;
642:
10,13,
20;
646:
13;
652:
7,
12;
659:
16;
661:
6;
667:
7,22;
669:
4,
16,17;
670:
1;
673%;
679:
19
lots
313:
6;
346:
4;
447:
19;
572:
5;
609:
19;
654~
1;
674:
3
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532:
15
Louis
526:
5
Louisiana
304:
10;
565:
3;
568:
7;
611:
13;
628:
17;
677:
16,21
love
331:
20;
364:
16;
390:
2;
450:
17;
568:
17;
602:
14;
605:
21,22;
639:
5
lovely
412:
17;
574:
22
low
426:
18;
43619;
468:
12;
491:
1;
510:
9;
592:
18;
637:
11;
653:
1;
658:
18;
663:
6
lower
519:
22;
520:
19;
547:
19;
630:
10;
653:
4
lowers
589:
4
lowest
568:
9
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13
lucky
307:
16
lumping
310:
13;
408:
14
logic
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managed
(
20)
lunch
386:
22;
387:
20;
388:
2,3,3;
430:
15;
454:
6;
462~
22;
463:
2;
471:
15,21;
472:
2,4,4,
11,
13;
685:
10,
12,14
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/
130:
16
lung
676:
4
Lupus
341:
19;
534:
3
lying
561:
18
Lynn
440:
22;
445:
l;
160:
6;
467:
12;
479:
10,
13
Lythcott
305:
7,7;
552:
2;
579:
6,8;
598:
9;
606:
6;
607:
6;
610:
15;
614:
6;
616:
16;
62O:
l;
621:
16;
624:
2;
626:
s;
638:
15,
18;
642:
7,9;
658:
5,8;
660:
7;
675:
21;
677:
lS
607:
1,3;
613:
4,
10;
:
604:
1,4,7,
15;
606:
2,22;

616:
10;
617:
10;
618:
18;
626:
8;
627:
7,9,
14;
629:
17;
631:
9,
12,
13,
15,
18;
635:
1,20,22;
636:
7;
638:
21;
640:
15;
642:
13,
22;
G/
15:
19,21;
655:
22;
656:
5,22;
657:
17,
19;
661:
9,19;
662:
21;
663:
2;
665:
10,
15;
666:
1;
673:
11;
1
676:
15;
680:
2,
18,
19,20:

m
307:
3;
311s;
316:
2;
319:
15;
320:
21;
324:
ll;
326:
4;
327:
s;
330:
2;
331:
4;
332:
ll;
334:
16,
18,
20,21;
335%
11,
19;
336:
5,8;
338:
22;
342:
5,9;
343:
4,6,
10,
11;
346:
14,
22;
348:
1,
22;
350:
20;
351:
21;
353:
20;
354:
ll;
355:
22;
356:
4,6,
11;
357:
18;
359:
14;
363:
9;
364:
11,21;
365:
18;
366:
19;
367:
2,12;
368:
13;
371:
6;
373:
7;
374:
3;
376:
13,
18,20;
377:
2,6;
379:
14;
380:
9;
381:
16;
383:
21;
384:
21;
385:
l;
387:
11,
17;
388:
15;
389:
17;
390:
21,22;
391:
3;
393:
6;
39420;
395:
ll;
397:
22;
398:
2;
401:
12;
406:
5;
407:
7;
409:
2;
412:
9;
415:
12,
19;
416:
19;
419:
18;
422:
12;
424:
22;
430:
17,19;
43214;
434:
22;
435:
4,6;
436:
8,20;
440:
9;
443:
1,6;
444:
12;
448:
19;
449:
8,
13,20;
450:
1,4;
452:
1,
14;
455:
5;
457:
11,
22;
458:
13;
467:
3;
468:
lO;
469:
10;
470:
4;
471:
13,16;
474:
3;
475:
20;
476:
6;
477:
6,
10;
478:
10,21;
480:
12;
481:
17;
482:
19;
484:
s;
491:
2,8,20,22;
493:
13;
495:
2;
496:
13;
498:
7;
500:
21;
502:
17,
17;
503:
19;
510:
8;
516:
21;
517:
16;
520:
6,6;
521:
6,
12;
522:
4;
524:
13,
14;
526:
21;
532:
12,
16;
533:
18,19;
534:
1,2,10,
17;
535:
17,21;
547:
17;
MA302:
11;
303:
19
macro
419:
l;
4296;
44614;
458:
21
magic
606:
10
magnificent
574:
19
magnitude
514:
22
mail
578:
11
main
527:
11;
570:
22;
625:
17
maintain
534:
21
maintenance
498:
22
major
319%;
323:
5;
325:
5;
496:
3;
500:
20;
524:
9;
652:
4,8
majority
533:
6;
581:
4
make­
up
573:
6
maker
597:
4
makers
597:
14,
16.
16;
673~
22
makes
345:
2;
3X5:
20;
412:
6;
419:
11;
429.11;
449:
11;
459:
17;
483:
19;
492:
16,
17;
507:
G;
521:
7;
530:
15;
566:
l;
605:
ll;
614:
4;
629:
14;
640:
1
making
326122;
336:
2;
360:
6,22;
367:
7;
393:
12;
401:
7;
444:
8;
469:
19;
473:
ll;
481:
20;
484:
4;
490:
9;
501:
17;
504:
6,8;
508:
5;
571:
19;
578:
2;
579:
l;
582:
21;
583:
10,
II;
600:
4;
623:
ll;
627:
5.
634:
6;
648:
22;
683:
1X
MALE
312:
22;
Sl4:
4;
322:
lS;
382:
12;
387­
19;
388:
6;
404:
6;
411:
l;
432%;
437:
1,22;
.439:
22;
4/
12:
8;
463:
6,9;
465:
21;
466:
2;
473:
21;
474:/
i;

548:
16;
550%;
551:
16;
485:
4;
509:
15;
535:
13,21;

i52:
3,9;
553:
3,9,14,15;
~
536:
3;
537:
10,
11,
l­
3;
!
554:
7,8,9,9,
10,
10,
11;
545:
19;
546%
15.
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547.2
555:
19;
556:
13;
557:
6;
3,
13,
16;
638:
16
~
559:
21;
560:
16,
21;
maligning
610:
X
571:
15;
573:
17;
574:
15;
Malloy
666:
15
575:
3;
576:
6,
11;
578:
3,4;
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Mammoth
588:~
579:
13;
582:
ll;
583:
15;
584:
1,2,3;
587:
l;
588:
13.
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10
18
21
21.
59&
13;
5bl:
i,
1:
5&
9;
593%;
594:
21;
595:
5,15,
18;
596:
15;
598:
19;
599:
14,18;
600:
16;
601:
15;
602:
5,
12,17,22;

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507:
20;
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600:
7;
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10;
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617:
1;
618:
20
Management
303:
5;
403:
22;
474:
17;
512:
4;
524:
17
manufacturing
432:
9,
15;
510:
15;
603:
18
many
320:
20;
330:
15;
manager
380:
2;
504:
5;
601:
4;
h83:
5
331:
8;
J32:
6;
333:
5;
managers
530:
10;
624:
21
336:
11,12;
341:
2;
360:
16;
managing
511:
17;
53l:
ll
379:
3;
414:
21;
419:
15;
mandatary
4879
mandate
315:
5;
376:
2;

4576;
492:
18,
18;
494:
16;
424:
7,
14;
427:`);
58212;
661:
12
500:
19;
515:
13;
516:
1;
mandated
661:
15
manipulating
499:
20
524:
12;
528:
22;
533:
9.9;
manipulation
566:
14
manner
,473:
13;
571:
4;

536:
7,8;
54
1:
9;
559~
2~
7,
592:
21:
6Xl:
lh
manual
514:
16
565:
2,
19;
578:
15;
580:
10;

630:
22;
642:
7;
644:
3;
587:
3;
591:
16;
593:
18;
609:
17;
630:
12;
635:
16;

645:
2;
652:
3;
653:
18;
650:
8,9;
656:
9
matters
386:
18
657:
20;
667:
9,
14;
669:
3,
Maulden
590:
9
may
306:
8;
307:
20;

12;
672:
6,7
308:
19;
318:
19;
319:
3;
324:
16;
327:
9;
329:
lO;

maybe
310:
16;
316:
17;
334:
5;
336:
21;
337:
19;
343:
7;
348:
5;
351:
8;

355:
16;
356:
18;
357:
11;
358:
13,13;
422:
11;
433:
12;
436:
4;
442:
22;

358:
7,16,
17;
362:
14,
17;
454:
9;
456:
9;
476:
15,
15;
484:
13;
491:
17,
18,
18;

370:
22;
371:
1,
16;
375:
l;
494:
22;
49915;
513:
5;
527:
10,
15;
i36:
lO;
537:
2;

378:
17,
17;
382:
17;
544:
21;
561:
20;
567:
13,
14:
577:
3;
591:
12;
594:
3;

1
385:
lO;
390:
14,16;
596:
20;
603:
22;
604:
4;
608:
3;
609:
22;
612:
2;
369:
13;
374:
lO:
377:
19:
371:
20;
399:
5;
400:
16;
401:
12;
402:
1,9,20,22;
403:
6,
13;
404:
7;
405:
8;

406:
3,20;
407:
15;
408:
5,
17;
409:
10,13,21;
410:
6
mean
313:
20;
324:
l;
335:
19;
340:
20;
358:
9;
363:
3;
364:
15;
367:
15,
19;
317:
21;
358:
8;
385:
9;

,
655:
14;
684:
3,4
453:
12;
467:
6,
16;
482:
12
491:
4;
534:
13;
576:
16;
583:
18,
19;
612:
3;
619:
1;
623:
11;
629:
19;
657:
7;
672:
18;
686:
4
meetings
372:
12;
574:
8;
577:
5;
592:
10;
651:
4;

meets
416:
13;
554:
3,3;
579:
15;
581:
8
mega
423:
9;
431:
14;
446:
21;
465:
ll;
472:
20;
515:
16,
17;
516:
7;
517:
15
18,22;
518:
l;
520:
21;
526:
3;
527~
22;
531:
10,
18.
535:
18,
18,
19;
536:
3,4,9
539:
22;
543:
4;
556:
19;
559:
18;
569:
6
Mel
304:
s;
324:
9;
336:
7;
337:
16;
339:
16;
342:
lO;
343:
3;
351:
4;
358:
19;
359:
13;
396:
18;
399:
7;
401:
17;
404:
18;
415:
9;
416:
18;
443:
6;
470:
3;
495:
22;
595:
lO
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4
4
4
4
4
5
5
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c
metropolitan
584:
11
Mexico
341:
9;
519:
7;
562:
9
MI
303:
21
Miami
526:
6
mic
323:
7;
342:
13;
675:
3,
5
Michael
304:
2,12;
305:
7;
549112;
552:
2,3;
579:
4;
588:
15;
598:
8;
599:
9;
606:
20;
610:
13;
612:
13,
22;
616:
15;
620:
4,16,20;
621:
6,9;
632:
7,
12;
635:
7;
641:
13;
645:
17;
647:
10;
649:
6;
655:
11,19;
657:
19;
558:
2;
677:
18
Michigan
672:
6
micro
413:
14
microphone
463:
ll;
552:
4;
644:
17
microphones
535:
3
niddle
367:
4;
424:
18;
505:
13;
644:
17;
653:
4
night
314:
3;
319:
5;
$
24:
15;
325:
4;
329:
9;
530:
9;
338:
17;
3.46:
8;
550:
21;
352:
10,21;
353:
2;
b62:
lO;
363:
ll;
366:
2;
i68:
2;
371:
ll;
372:
4;
i75:
19;
385:
22;
386:
13;
i89:
12;
390:
17;
394:
16;
L14:
6;
415:
6;
418:
4;
i20:
21;
431:
8;
438:
3;
41:
17;
446:
12;
449:
1;
54:
lO;
458:
5;
462:
15;
65:
6;
468:
13,
18;
473:
18;
74:
7;
488:
3,15;
504:
22;
08:
12,
12;
509:
4;
512:
7;
13:
4;
520:
7;
523:
14;
24:
1;
526:
22;
527:
1,6,7,
(
8;
530:
21;
542:
21;
47:
19;
548:
3;
562:
6;
)
87:
6;
606:
1;
607:
5;
;
17:
13;
626:
22;
628:
9;
;
36:
6;
643:
20;
644:
2;
;
45:
16,
21;
647:
19;
657:
8;
;
71:
17;
682:
22
nigrate
674:
4
nigration
591:
6
alike
324:
ll;
350:
19;
56:
12,20;
361:
9;
392:
16;
11:
5;
413:
12;
418:
14;
19:
5;
420:
19;
446:
11;
53:
6;
456:
5;
465:
9;
73:
16;
474:
4,6;
475:
10;
80:
17;
482:
19;
49512;
01:
7;
505:
19;
545:
7;
75:
4
lildred
30322;
306:
14,
5;
364:
2;
503:
22;
505:
15;
36:
14;
551:
17,20;
55214;
56:
10;
594:
3;
619:
7;
43:
6,
17
lile
510:
20;
518:
20
lifes
518:
18;
52O:
lO;
59:
12;
582:
lO
lilitary
483:
4;
679:
20
lillion
402:
7;
406:
8;
5t
rr
m
380:
9;
387:
19;
407:
lO;
'
409:
17;
422:
19;
428:
17;
442:
21;
443:
4;
445:
5;
446:
18;
451:
7,21;
454:
15;
456:
8;
457:
14;
459:
3;
466:
14;
471:
16;
476:
18,
20,21;
486:
15;
488:
5,21;
190:
19;
503:
20;
504:
20;
512:
20;
517:
ll;
532:
l
1;
i36:
16;
539:
22;
540:
1,5,
7;
546:
3,20;
567:
4,7;
il3:
5;
618:
4;
628:
8;
536:
8;
638:
1,
19;
641:
10;
i46:
6,
19;
650:
6;
659:
14,
I5,21;
663:
18
neaning
426:
lo
meaningful
454:
3;
503:
16;
582:
20;
583:
9;
584:
17;
646:
3
meaningless
355:
13;
378:
7
9.9;
5'
46;
576:
10;
580:
7,
392:
21;
395~
8;
398:
2;
IS;
585:
17;
587:
5;
591:
19,
400:
14;
409:
8,8;
413:
3,
19;
592:
10:
594:
J
0:
599:
19;
600:
1
3
13'
13
1
5
11;
419:
10;
421:
2,14;

15,
22:
605:
5.
b;
&:
2h:
'
424:
6;
430:
16;
437:
5,7,8,

62512;
646:
2ti;
b47:
ld;
'
10;
441:
19;
443:
7,
15,22;
444:
9,21,4.45:
10;
447:
l;

648:
1;
650:
10;
65
1:
16;
448:
13;
450:
18;
451:
6;

65213;
668:
8;
079:
15
454:
1;
455:
6,9;
460:
lo,

marginalized
554:
I
I;
10;
462:
4;
467:
8;
474:
13;

562:
20,21
475:
8;
479:
13;
483:
17;

marginally
616:
18
490:
16;
492:
16,
19;
495:
3;

Marianne
441:
8:
445:
16;
501:
12;
507:
6.6,7,
12;

484:
X
509:
l;
510:
10,20;
511:
9;

marker
650:
I
market
617:
11,
I
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20;

Marlboro
582:
7
~
530:
4;
532:
17,20;
534:
22;
537:
19;
538:
3;
541:
16,
19;
381:
16;
389:
lO;
390:
2;
394:
21;
432:
19;
495:
7,
18;
504:
3,
18;
505:
15;
533:
1;
574:
20;
583:
17;
612:
14;
672:
4,4
meant
378:
5;
382:/
j,
5;
647:
1
I
measure
324:
6;
345:
2;
384:
7;
446:
8;
483:
13,
16;
484:
4;
485:
17;
486:
5;
502:
22
measured
483:
lo,
ii
:
means
312:
2,3,
5;
member
370:
9;
447:
2;
676:
1
members
308:
5;
366:
1,
13;
381:
ll;
382:
2;
471:
20;
472:
2,3;
486:
2;
591:
8;
593:
ll;
597:
8;
643:
16;
674:
22
,

memo
396:
2,4;
476:
15;
477:
1;
486:
13
memoranda
669:
18
memorandum
622:
7,
IO
memory
676:
21
Memphis
663:
2;
664:
2
men
578:
9
mention
351:
4;
384:
22;
562:
6;
568:
5;
572:
9;

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measurement
386:
15
measurements
655:
6
measures
324:
6;
399:
12;
483:
6;
485:
12,
13;
654:
22;
662:
20
,
380:
18;
385:
4,5;
386:
18;
420:
20;
476:
9;
496:
14.
15:

lvlassacnusetts
357:
22;
marshal
654:?

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l:
lS,
15;
374:
17;
565:
3;
590:
10;
597:
5,6;
636:
14;
Maryann
656:
14.
18;
666:
18
massive
477:
22
343:
l,
S85:
14
Masters
574:
15,18
match
SW:
I
5;
r377:
3,4:
mass
So9:
21;
561:
17;

379:
l
1
657:
1
SI
material
jso:
2;
,423:
15;
.
i60:
I'):
,
f')
O­
8;
513.8;
550:
IS
materials
5
10:
14
math
420
1
i;
6.40:
16
matter
338:
12;
370:
20;
VK­
7.
$
27:
5;
508:
IO;
iI9.6;
521):
2;
558:
21;
Mayo
304:
21;
36238,
542:
14,
14;
54616;

15,22
Mayor
426:
l;
487:
3;
1
576:
18,20,22;
584:
l;
638:
20,
20;
6<:,:
14;
673:
11,14
595:
21;
603:
9;
606:
17,
19,

mayors
625:
i
MC
~
99:
5
20,
2
1;
627:
22;
630:
5;

McClain
303:
22;
306:
15:
364:
3;
365:
12:
503:
12,
14;
653:
15;
662:
18;
664:
17,

504:
2;
505:
17;
552:
G;
17;
668:
18,
19
572119;
579:/
i;
589:
lh;
sw:
s,
22;
595:
3,
5,
10;
604:
17;
64120;
642:
s
McMamus
305:
2
1
McMANUS
366:
9;
meat­
lover
387:
7
mechanisms
330:
19;
380:
5;
435:
5
media
491:
4
medic
42l:
h
medical
458:
1;
618:
16;
624:
12
medium
477:
16
medium­
sized
529:
3
mediums
5s6:
8
meet491:
21;
499:
7
528:
17;
55&
l');
581113;
602:
6:
657:
3
1
Meeting
3&
2:
8,9;
3
16:
I;
measuring
386:
8;
536:
13,
14;
540:
22;
544:
5;
444:
20;
472:
20;
485:
lO;
i
/
547:
7;
570:
4;
581:
l.
556:
20;
683:
21
597:
21;
603:
2;
624:;;
meat
349:
18;
431:
19;
649:
5;
666:
17;
680:
9
451:
16
mentioning
547:
15
Meridian
304:
20,21,22
merits
378:
10
mess
499:
17;
58O:
ll;
605:
13;
612:
8;
634:
18
~
message
441:
7;
491:
20;
1
596:
11,
14;
609:
2
i
l?
leSSages
593:
22;
i
594120;
596:
20
messing
618:
17
met
352:
17;
433:
20
metaI
541:
20;
542:
2
!
metals
542:
2;
563:
20
method
396:
11;
676:
20
1
methods
512:
7
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INN
EXPRESS
409:
16;
410:
6,7;
584:
21;
649:
9;
661:
17,18
mind
316:
11;
328:
15;
334:
17;
336:
4;
426:
18;
471:
ll;
483:
8,22;
502:
20;
523:
16;
627:
20;
63S:
lO
mind­
boggling
431:
5
minds
346:
15;
348:
1
Mine
417:
3;
419:
7;
430:
20;
577:
5;
664:
17
mines
345:
7,7;
444:
21
Minimum
479111;
565:
5
mining
345:
6,12;
442:
18;
515:
11,11,13,14,15
minor
482:
13
minus
487:
lO
minuses
425:
2
minute
306:
12;
316:
15;
325:
7;
388:
2,3,11;
410:
22;
616:
s;
640:
12;
683:
1;
685:
6
minutes
309:
16,17;
318:
3;
343:
17;
348:
9;
361:
21;
386:
5;
388:
3,6;
410:
12,18;
455:
9;
457:
l;
463:
3;
553:
17,18;
595:
13;
619:
7;
626:
18;
644:
lO;
655:
18
mirror
397:
7
mirrors
580:
10
miscarriage
623:
9
misleading
411:
13
misnomer
496:
18
Misorenko
337:
S
misread
408:
22
misreading
409:
ll
misrepresents
323:
14
missed
306:
18
missing
447:
ll
mission
336:
18
Mississippi
383:
20
mistake
348:
7;
572:
l;
601:
21
mistaken
668:
3
mistakes
361:
ll;
583:
ll
misunderstood
603:
9
Mittelholzer
304:
2
mix
407:
1;
508:
2
mobilization
514:
5
mode
476:
9
model
357:
3,4;
425:
l;
512:
14;
514:
14;
515:
9;
571:
9
modeling
430:
l,
S
models
357:
l;
425:
l;
674:
17
modern
432:
15;
533:
7;
636:
12
modest
657:
17
modifications
320:
5
modified
337:
6
Mohawk
303:
18
Molly
304:
21;
309:
14;
362:
2;
497:
21;
509:
l
343:
18;
349:
18;
351:
21;
354:
11,
15;
356:
19;
357:
6,
12,13;
358:
l;
359:
5;
361:
ll;
362:
17;
365:
2;
371:
5;
372:
3;
373:
ll;
374~
19;
375:
2;
376:
20;
377:
lO;
378:
15;
379:
13;
382:
4;
384:
lO;
386:
7,11,
14;
389:
7,9,14,
17;
390:
11;
391:
19;
392:
9,
13,
13,19;
395:
16;
396:
s;
397:
5,
12,
18;
398:
20;
402:
15;
404:
6,
14,17;
405:
6;
411:
19;
412:
11,15;
413:
l;
414:
3,22;
416:
14;
420:
9,
15,21;
421:
s;
423:
11,12;
425:
3;
426:
14;
427:
3;
429:
13;
431:
19,20;
434:
8,8,21;
435:
19;

436:
10;
440:
13;
441:
2,9,
22;
442:
18,19;
443:
6,6,7;
444:
4,7;
445:
11,
19;
447:
17;
448:
19;
450:
10,
20;
453:
13;
454:
12,19;
455:
6;
458:
17,19;
460:
3,
17;
464:
18;
465:
3,5;
466:
20;
467:
s;
473:
18;
474:
13;
475:
16;
479:
14,
18;
481:
s;
484:
5;
489:
22;
mommas
664:
20
Monday
684:
18
money
323:
17;
329:
3;
330:
22;
331:
5;
332:
4,22;
335:
5;
337:
I;
338:
2;
339:
5,5,6;
340:
14;
342:
11,17;
349:
7;
354:
6;
359:
20,22;
364:
16;
369:
15;
373:
l;
374:
21,22;
378:
3;
389:
1,
1,
s;
391:
11,
17;
394:
20;
395:
15,17,20;
396:
7,13,16;
397:
8,
12;
399:
7,14,18,
19,22;
400:
2,8,10,15,
17,20;
401:
5,6;
403:
7,
14;
40512,
3;
406:
2,4,9,
11;
407:
19;
408:
13;
409:
7,14,18;
413:
7,10;
414:
6;
415:
22;
416:
3,16;
417:
l;
421:
13,
16,
17,19;
422:
16;
423:
7,
11,
12,13,16;
425:
15;
427:
4;
430:
21;
431:
3,13,
20,20;
433:
7;
434:
7,21;
441:
3,9,11;
443:
7;
444:
4;
445:
4,8,17;
446:
9;
454:
13,18;
457:
14,16;
458:
4,18;
459:
4,11;
461:
8,15,17;
462:
5,8,15,
20;
464:
2,11,20;
465:
1,
12;
466:
ZO;
471:
5;
478:
19;
479:
18;
500:
13;
514:
19;
515:
21;
518:
16;
519:
3,3;
521:
12,
14;
529:
21,21;
558:
22;
559:
16,
17,18;
581:
9;
585:
22;
588:
16,17;
589:
2;
625:
7,7;
630:
22;
650:
7;
651:
14,17;
652:
8,
12,20,21;
654:
l;
656:
2;
658:
11,14;
660:
11,13,
14;
661:
20;
668:
12,22;
669:
12;
670:
10,
13;
671:
7,
13,20,21;
673:
5,7;
674:
15;
677:
6;
681:
5;
682:
1
monies
422:
6,7,
14;
662:
3
monitored
500:
12
monitoring
316:
ll;
555:
6
monitors
S63:
11,12
monolithed
646:
15
monolithic
557:
21,22
monopolizing
604:
5
month
358:
9,11
months
406:
7;
456:
2;
679:
17,19
Montrose
580:
3
moon
570:
18
moral
561:
13
morally
365:
10
Moran
677:
17
more
306:
14;
309:
16;
311:
4,
10;
312:
16;
313:
18;
315:
21;
316:
lO;
322:
4;
324~
4;
326:
6,15,
18;
329:
16;
330:
4;
331:
12,
12,
13,13,
16;
332:
18;
335:
17;
338:
3,20;
339:
18;
340:
7;
1
mostly
480:
s
490:
4;
498:
10,22;
499:
7;
501:
6,20;
502:
s;
SO5:
1,1;
508:
2;
509:
5,7,8,9,10,
ll;
s10:
6,22;
511:
7;
513:
13,19,19;
514:
3,21;
S15:
lS;
518:
14;
521:
3;
522:
1,1;
523:
22;
524:
s;
525:
9,20;
527116;
530:
s;
s31:
13,15;
535:
3;
544:
ll;
S47:
19;
548:
s;
S49:
16;
SSO:
S,
19;
S51:
8,18;
552:
22;
560:
10,
11,21;
571:
13;
576:
2;
S80:
12;
585:
ll;
587:
1S,
16;
593:
18,21;
S97:
1,3;
604:
4;
606:
3;
612:
3,9;
615:
15,
15,
16;
618:
11;
620:
6;
621:
21;
6275;
630:
21;
642:
7;
643:
1;
647:
18;
651:
11,21;
654:
9,
15;
668:
15;
669:
S,
11,
13;
670:
1,
13;
671:
9,13,20,
20;
672:
12,
13;
678:
21;
682:
9
morning
306:
16;
308:
lO;
309:
ZO;
3lO:
l;
313:
6;
333:
9;
363:
9;
469:
12;
492:
14;
550:
20;
553:
s;
S86:
20;
683:
6,7;
686:
3
mortgage
676:
9
moss
452:
18
most
314:
22;
316:
12;
320:
13;
337:
lO;
349:
6;
391:
4;
392:
3;
403:
15;
412:`);
43O:
lO;
460:
21;
464:
2;
499:/
l;
502122;
514:
22;
518:
5;
519:
12;
520:
16;
S2S:
4;
S32:
l;
557:
1O;
Gll:
L3;
618:
20;
623:
13;
637:
12
mothballed
603:
17,
18
mothballs
604:
10
mother
623:
7;
676:
1,2
motives
648:
6,9
Mountain
3OS:
12;
646:
3,
9;
653:
21;
655:
3,4,4;
680:
16;
681:
2
mouth
356:
12
move
307:
21;
327:
7;
331:
6,
16;
336:
2;
349:
11,
12;
355:
ll;
359:
12;
361:
19;
363:
10;
395:
18;
396:
lO;
398:
7,
11;
400:
19;

401:
2;
410:
21;
416:
12;
444:
3;
445:
18;
453:
21;
456:
17;
457:
s;
485~
3;
486:
4;
501:
9;
506:
7;
SSO:
21;
SS1:
2;
592:
s;
597:
19;
606:
3;
618:
16;
619:
9;
646:
14;
662:
19;
681:
21;
684:
l
moved
334:
4;
405:
22;
496:
17;
556:
3;
59O:
ll;
599:
21;
634:
12;
653:
6;
662~
22
movement
s28:
21;
552:
13
mover
393:
4
moving
309:
13;
331:
2;
335:
16;
386:
14;
398:
4;
399:
20,
22;
405:
13;
413:
6;
414:
ll;
444:
s;
4S4:
20;
474:
l;
489:
s;
622:
14;
636:
17
much
308:
7;
323:
3;
331:
16,
17;
333:
s;
335:
s;
337:
14;
342:
11;
346:
15;
3Sl:
ll;
357:
s;
360:
6;
362:
22;
373121;
386:
21;
388:
9;
394:
s;
398:
3,
17;
400:
15;
404:
13,14;
415:
15;
421:
2,
17,
18;
425:
3;
429:
12,13;
430:
4,
22;
433:
7,
18;
435:
13;
441:
2;
454:
12;
461:
20;
462:
15;
464:
9;
468:
18;
470:
s;
482:
20,21;
483:
1,
6,
s;
485:
14;
489:
5;
490:
18;
492:
5,8;
510:
11;
S21:
3,8;
524:
8,10;
533:
18;
537:
22;
541:
17;
565:
18;
567:
3;
579:
j;
58O:
lO;
589:
15,
18;
595:
16;
613:
14;
619:
13;
626:
19;
634:
4;
635:
5;
642:
6;
645:
5;
655:
10;
658:
12,
14;
661:
20;
662:
18;
665:
22;
669:
6,
11,
12;
670:
1,
s;
672:
13;
674:
19
multi
539:
14
multi­
jurisdictional
3832
multinationals
345:
18
multiparty
398:
22
multiple
486:
12,
20;
511:
5,
5;
538:
6;
545:
16,
21,22;
546:
6,9;
s49:
13,
17;
S69:
6;
657:
16.
16;
658:
12
multitudes
681:
1
mundane
436:
10
municipal
S36:
20;
668:
7
municipalities
529:
19
munitions
6S2:
5
mural
409:
15
must
342:
2,
2;
475!
13;
503:
17;
537:
s;
548:
10,
11;
575:
l;
578:
s;
596:
13;
667:
12;
673:
6
myriad
33S:
10
myself
324:
18,21;
329:
lS;
333:
20;
334:
l;
364:
17;
437:
5;
451:
4,6;
571:
21;
579:
1/
t;
587:
9;
614:
14
N
NACEPT
302:
9;
307:
I;
556:
14,
15;
594:
17;
613:
s
naive
542:
11;
668:
s
name
393:
7;
420:
19;
460:
16;
644:
15;
663:
13;
666:
1
names
309:
19:
562:
22;
563:
1,3
narrow
379:
12;
516:
s;
530:
7
Nation
304:
13;
608:
5
National
304:
2;
305:
9;
316:
19;
347:
6;
.354:
16,
18,
21;
355:
5;
372:
12;
518:
lO;
SS2:
19;
556:
6;
S61:
13;
S67:
l;
586:
18;
589:
22;
592:
13
nations
31O:
lO
natural
560:
18
nature
397:
21;
448:
lJ;
507:
s;
540:
11
navigation
669:
l
navigational
339:
5;
668:
19
Navy
657:
4
NBEJN
617:
5
NCLA
361:
2o
NCP
477:
17
near
340:
22;
4675;
517:
9,
13;
542:
7;
548:
21;
582:
s;
584:
7,9
nearly
336:
9
necessarily
338.10;
363:
16;
398:
16;
521­
19;
536:
9;
567~
7;
584.12;
606:
13,
14;
624:
10
necessary
401:
3;
440:
18,
20;
532:
lO;
54812:
S85:
18
necessity
340:
lo
need
307:
2,2,
22;
j10:
15;
316.9:
317:
i,
322:
9;
324:
21;
S34:
lO;
S35:
l;
337:
20;
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368:
17;
396:
3;
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498:
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310:
22;
329:
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337:
6;
344:
2;
348:
9;
354:
20;
356:
20;
358:
4;
361:
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373:
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374:
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375:
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380:
7;
388:
18,
19;
389:
2;
405:
4,14;
406:
6;
407:
16;
409:
18;
427:
13,17;
432:
17;
450:
14;
451:
3;
452:
13,
17;
462:
3;
485:
17;
488:
20,22;
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492:
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2;
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537:
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17;
574:
19;
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578:
7,
9,19;
598:
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606:
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607:
13;
609:
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617:
18;
618:
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626:
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16;
661:
22;
668:
16;
670:
6;
671:
7;
674:
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677:
4;
681:
3;
685:
17
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512:
13;
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602:
21;
668:
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334:
16;
551:
20;
573:
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13;
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13
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412:
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486:
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492:
5;
493:
15;
496:
6;
654:
4,6,12,
16;
662:
14,
16,19;
680:
16;
681:
17
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345:
3,5;
564~
3
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352:
19;
369:
4.8:
464:
7;
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4:
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324:
6;
371:
12;
38714;
395:
6;
398:
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6;
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3;
488:
19,22;
489:
4;
552:
14;
575:
l;
619:
16;
638:
7;
644:
22;
648~
20;
64919;
667:
13
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481:
22;
56414
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478:
20
organization
559:
4;
612:
5;
621:
13;
632:
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612:
4
organize
321:
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580:
15
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481:
4;
551:
3;
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15;
643:
19
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306:
5;
549:
22
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329:
14;
386:
22;
5
15:
7;
604:
20;
608:
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628:
14;
629:
16;
647:
3
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611:
10,
11
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403:
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667:
18
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674:
2
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590:
12
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312:
5;
314:
l;
321:
8,
18;
322:
10;
325:
6;
330:
22;
342:
12;
346:
1;
353:
13;
361:
16;
367:
1,8;
369:
7;
389:
14;
414:
15;
418:
14;
450:
7;
466:
9;
472:
5;
473:
17;
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17;
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539:
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548:
6;
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18;
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18;
637:
3;
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476:
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9;
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494:
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318:
8;
322~
22;
367:
14;
369:
20;
397:
7,8;
416:
19,22;
455:
3;
484:
5;
517:
19;
549:
17;
588:
19;
618:
15;
671:
22;
674:
18;
678:
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533:
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430:
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610:
19
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382:
21;
493:
3;
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14;
567:
ll;
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17
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345:
8;
498:
18,
22
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323:
10;
324:
7;
329:
17;
346:
14;
397:
11;
411:
9;
420:
1;
481:
11;
498:
12;
534:
17;
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546:
13
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21;
422:
17;
669:
5
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560:
1;
j67:
7;
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12;
593:
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20;
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17;
607:
17;
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11;
681:
20
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316:
7;
326:
4;
335:
15;
349:
19;
386:
12;
433:
7;
515:
9;
545:
17;
659:
20;
675:
15
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314:
12;
399:
15,
19;
412:
5;
414:
12,
15;
415:
15;
421:
1;
492:
4;
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307:
12;
309:
19;
311:
9,
10;
316:
5,
10,21,
22;
320:
14;
323:
17;
331:
19;
332:
15;
333:
3;
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336:
16;
337:
11,12,
16;
338:
8,
10;
343:
2;
345:
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346:
8;
347:
6;
349:
7;
351:
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352:
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14;
354:
l;
356:
6,12;
360:
2;
368:
7,
12;
369:
14;
371:
6;
372:
6,
12;
375:
14;

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15,17;
667:
20;
669~
7;
378:
4;
381:
18;
382:
22;
509:
s;
585:
16
670:
21;
671:
8,16;
673:
3;
383:
12,
18;
j85:
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386:
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319:
12,
14;
390:
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325:
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20;
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18;
338:
15;
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11;
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16;
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6;
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16;
458:
16;
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14;
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4;
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13;
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16;
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15;
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10;
683:
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450:
16
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414:
6
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656:
17,
19;
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310:
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20;
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13;
446:
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678:
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550:
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498:
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549:
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549:
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601:
4;
664:
22
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646:
14
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418:
19;
469:
12;
551:
18;
552:
5,8;
555:
17
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526:
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overwhelming
i40:
11
overwhelms
S40:
4,6
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341:
16;
360:
12
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354:
22;
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616:
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21;
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13;
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2;
680:
18;
685:
10,
12,
14
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345:
13;
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676:
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636:
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616:
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14;
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3;
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19;
536:
21;
599:
3;
602:
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604:
15,
19;
613:
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22;
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18,
19;
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424:
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426:
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4;
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20;
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7;
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14,15;
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14;
567:
6;
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581:
3;
593:
2;
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309:
4,
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327:
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328:
16;
350:
21;
352:
l;
376:
2;
386:
l;
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3;
414:
13,20;
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13;
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18;
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19;
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3;
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17;
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510:
19;
511:
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15;
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17;
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532:
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316:
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317:
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319:
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320:
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332:
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333:
3,6,20;

party
351:
22;
371:
15;
412:
19,20;
435:
11;
503:
5;
528:
21;
531:
7;
618:
21
pass
378122;
390:
19;
395:
8;
408:
12;
469:
4;
576~
21;
653:
16;
663:
17
Passaic
358:
14
passed
322121;
333:
2;
335:
6;
339:
2,9;
374:
12;
479:
4:
545:`):
650:
20;
667:
5
passing
341:
21
/

paSSiOn
607:
16;
632:
l
'
passionate
433:
1;
PASI­
type
312:
15
participated
370:
I
participation
346:
i
2;
past
361
:
lo;
455:
9;

patch
365:
18
path
356:
1,8;
517:
4;
526:
20,22;
527:
7,
11,
12
paths
36712
1
pathways
486:
9
patronizing
587:
8
pattern
616:
1,5;
6406
Paul
401:
20
paved
629:
I
1
pay
3
12:
4;
3
15:
9;
330:
20;
331.9,;
332:
21;
342:
2;
I
S95:
20;
396%;
397:
18;
(
~
4003,
401:
20;
403:
9;
,407:`);
459:
22:
471:
14;
472:
l;
508:
21;
519:
1;
528:
10;
623:
19;
658:
12
paying
341:
16;
432:
20;
461:
15;
646:
10;
658:
19
payoff
574:
2;
648:
20
payoffs
648:
21
pays
34o:
o;
344:
12;
455:
12,12;
456:
18;
458:
8;
469:
22;
471:
20;
519:
lO;
588:
14,20;
647:
17;
658:
9,
22;
659:
2,3;
660:
17,
19
PC&
502:
21;
515:
22;
531:
21;
563:
21;
62916
PCS
531:
22
pea
42816
Peak
577:
4
peculiar
629:
21
pejorative
510:
3
334:
4,
19;
338:
13;
341:
12,
18;
345:
3,
12;
353:
5,11,
21;
357:
ll;
358:
2,
19,21;
363:
16;
364:
1;
366:
11,19;
367:
12;
370:
21;
372:
19;
373:
5;
378:
6;
381:
18;
383:
16;
385:
22;
388:
5,8;
392:
s;
393:
18;
394:
7;
414:
14;
417:
7;
418:
17,20;
419:
15,
17;
422:
7;
428:
7,
10;
433:
12;
434:
20,22;
436:
4,5,
12;
437%;
439:
14;
445:
13;
447:
17;
448:
1,6,
12,
16,
21:
449:
7,
13;
450:
8,13;
451:
15;
452:
6;
453:
8,
12;
457:
6;
461:
2,7;
463:
1;
464:
13;
469:
21;
476:
ll;
477:
18;
48O:
l;
482:
3;
490:
19;
491:
14;
492:
18;
493:
3,7;
495:
7;
500:
22;
502:
15;
505~
22;
508:
6;
512:
5;
514:
2,6;
518:
11,
12;
519:
7,9;
522:
8,22;
52416,
18;
528:
22;
531:
2;
532:
11,
16;
534:
6,
10;
538:
9;
540:
22;
543:
14,
16;
54416,
17;
548:
3,
13;
551:
11,
12,
16;
552:
21;
553:
6,20;
554:
5,
5,6,9,
12;
557116,
17;
559:
2,
10;
561:
18;
562:
15;
563:
13;
564:
22;
568:
22,22;
569:
8,
12;
570:
5;
571:
17,20,21;
573:
17;
574:
4;
575:
21;
577:
19;
5807,
13,
16;
581:/
i,
5,
5;
582:
5,
11;
584:
16;
587:
6;
588:
9,
19;
590:
17;
596:
1,
s;
597:
17,
18,
l&
22,22;
598:
1,3,4,
16,
17;
600:
3,
6,
13,
17,
22;
601:
3:
607:
4.7.
14:
608:
13;
610:
16;
611:
7,9,
21;
613:
14,14;
615:
11;
616:
4,9;
619:
6,
17,21;
623:
22;
624122;
630:
1,3,
10,
14,16,
l&
22;
63218.
21;
633:
1,5,
19,20;
634:
1
14;
635:
8,
15;
636%;
638:
16;
639:
2,12;
641:
2,
5;
645:
12;
648:
1,7,9,22;
650:
20;
652:
7,21;
657:
2;
658:
19;
659:
16;
660:
15;
662:
1,2,4,7;
663:
1,3,7,
16,21;
665:
14;
670:
4,10;
671:
1,
13;
673:
4,20;
674:
8,
17;
676:
16,22;
677:
7,9;
678:
lO;
679:
4,
10;
681:
4,20
peoples
471:
6
pepperoni
387:
6
per
407:
14;
562:
4;
567:
13;
584:
21
perceive
635:
16
perCeiVing
534:
20
percent
341:
14;
365:
18;
377:
3,4;
379:
13;
380:
18;
403:
7,9;
420:
l;
422:
15;
446:
20;
469:
l;
551:
13;
568:
12;
571:
14;
640:
14;
646:
8,
lo;
656:
4,4
percentage
518:
13;
659:
6;
66O:
9
percentages
400:
15
Perchlorate
354:
8,16;
361:
3
perennial
520:
19
perfect
394:
16,20
perfectly
432:
2;
470:
13;
679:
5
performance
367:
9;
444:
20;
446:
s;
556:
20;
683:
21
performed
454:
16;
620:
8
perfume
532:
15
perhaps
311:
3;
316:
22;
338:
14;
348:
14;
350:
16;
357:
3;
388:
l;
413:
l;
428122;
437:
20,21;
4675;
478:
4;
479:
16;
501:
s;
607:
17;
645:
10,
15;
668:
19;
671:
16
period
309:
21;
317:
22;
323:
3;
326:
12;
447:
15;
453:
21;
459:
22;
495:
16;
583:/
i;
609:
16;
635:
9;
645:
20
periodically
494:
4
permit
358:
6;
425:
19
permits
519:
13
permitting
555:
4
person
445:
16;
452:
17;
562:
11,
11;
591:
2;
600:
16;
614:
15;
666:
4;
676:
11;
683~
7
personal
3939;
431
:
lo;
457:
20;
48l:
lO;
532:
6;
534%;
607:
21
1
perSOnally
324:
18;
334:
12;
349:
l;
376:
14;
427:
3;
443:
1;
478:
18;
643:
3
perspective
311:
16;
326:
17;
353:
19;
358:
2;
416:
5,6;
417:
15;
482:
16;
494:
15;
495:
l;
498:
7,8;
530:
17;
544:
2,
18;
552:
16,
17;
658:
17
perspectives
363:
14;
370:
12;
539:
12;
552:
18;
642:
3
pessimism
438:
10
pet
444:
21
Peter
401:
20
Peters
304:
5;
315:
20;
318:
18;
319:
11;`
320:
11;
321:
20;
333:
11;
339:
12,
16;
356:
ll;
358:
13,
17;
376:
10;
377:
4;
412:
17;
434:
15,
17;
436:
1,4;
437:
2,19;
438:
2,15,21;
439:
5,
12,16,21;
440:
2,7;
477:
6;
497:
6,9,
13,
16,19;
522:
4;
601:
22;
602:
3;
505:
18;
606:
17;
680:
8;
585:
15
petition
526:
13
P&
r'
0
565:
20;
572:
2;
527:
12;
628:
14;
629:
3
Dhase
403:
18;
514:
21;
517:
18
Jhenomenon
622:
19,21
ahilosophical
525:
14
)
hilosophy
564:
12
`
hoenix
427:
11;
433:
20;
L45:
3;
466:
lo;
467:
6;
jO6:
20;
524:
16
shone
326%;
388:
s;
126:
1;
679:
18,
19
ahonetic
370:
11;
445:
16;
i68:
21;
491:
9;
510:
6;
i47:
S;
550:
9;
590:
15;
i92:
14
rhrase
395:
2;
448:
l;
`
52:
19;
459:
17;
554:
4;
;
86:
22;
587:
1;
613:
11
rhrasing
661:
10
rick
328:
ls;
346:
ls;
47:
21;
370:
4;
415:
11;
21:
l;
454:
lO;
504:
lO;
~
34:
7;
566:
19
ricked
318:
21;
346:
17;
80:
4;
449:
3
licking
351:
4;
421:
2;
46:
1;
650:
17
icky
619:
2
Nicnic
664:
7
iCtUre
356~
3;
4659;
85:
14;
511:
9;
546:
2;
699;
650:
22
ictures
679121
ie
640:
9
iece
317:
15,
16;
31~
2,
:
343:
6,10,
16;
414%;
27:
17;
471:
22;
473:
12;
79:
11;
481:
4;
482:
10;

For
The
Record,
Inc.
­­
(
301)
870­
8025
Min­
U­
Script@
(
25)
panacea
_
piece
NEW
BEDFORD,
MA
June
18,2003
NACEPT
SUPERFUND
SUBCOMMITTEE
MEETING
HOLIDAY
INN
EXPRESS
638:
lZ;
640:
9,17
pieces
317:
ll;
327:
lO;
527:
6,6;
611:
13;
651:
11;
653:
12;
654:
20;
655:
7
Piedmont
578:
17
pile
558:
22
pill
638:
9
pimping
635:
17
pimps
635:
17;
636:
3;
641:
9
pipeline
399:
14,22;
400:
20,22;
401:
2,3,11;
402:
6,9,
13,15;
403:
3,
11,
12,18,21;
404:
3;
405:
12;
411:
16,17;
413:
6;
417:
9;
423:
22;
445:
19
pitfall
570:
22,22
Pittsburgh
576:
16
Pittsville
332:
2;
358:
l;
359:
2
pity
680:
10
pizza
387:
4,9;
38817;
453:
5;
469:
10;
471:
22;
472:
6;
475:
13
pizzas
463:
7
place
31321;
316:
17;
328:
2;
336:
6,21;
338:
19;
343:
ll;
344:
3;
352:
s;
362:
13;
365:
11;
408:
16;
419:
21;
477:
18;
484:
11;
491:
12;
S14:
20;
556:
l;
560:
4;
584:
13;
643:
21;
649:
22;
650:
9,11,16;
652:
6;
662:
2;
664:
19;
665:
5;
679:
5;
681:
15;
682:
8
placed
423:
17;
619:
18
places
328:
4;
329:
11;
343:
14,21;
401:
21;
414:
17;
420:
18;
492:
19;
562:
lO;
616:
12;
679:
8
plain
562:
12
plan
318:
5;
386:
22;
388:
8;
415:
13,16,17,20,
20;
416:
7,9,
15;
496:
5;
500:
10,10,
11;
577:
21;
629:
1;
639:
22
planning
555:
4;
578:
2;
582:
22
plans
415:
14;
644:
14
plant
648:
14;
677:
18
plants
605:
10;
617:
8
plaque
584:
1
Plat
446:
15
plate
640:
3
plating
541:
20;
542:
2
play
342:
7;
464:
15;
S29:
20;
S64:
19;
624:
14;
664:
14
playgrounds
568:
20
playing
416:
14;
47O:
ZO;
565:
l;
570:
3;
663:
18;
681:
ll
playoff
381:
19
plays
564:
19,21
please
308:
6;
393:
7;
410:
17;
438:
l;
472:
5;
497:
8;
558:
19;
559:
14;
560:
14;
562:
18;
563:
17;
564:
18;
565:
11;
566:
7,13;
567:
1,9,19,22;
569:
5,9,
18,19;
57O:
ll;
571:
3,7;

572:
5,
13;
593:
15;
598:
8;
599:
10;
612:
19;
635:
10;
644:
18
pleased
643:
3
pleasure
579:
8;
626:
zl;
644:
20
phty388:
5;
601:
18
plug
477:
12
plugged
507:
3;
510:
11
plugging
435:
16
plus
341:
ll;
375:
14;
391:
8;
487:
lO;
548:
4
pIUseS
425:
2
plutonium
612:
3,
lo
point
307:
12,21;
310:
18;
318:
lO;
321:
4;
322:
15;
325:
ll;
337:
2;
340:
2;
342120;
343:
3;
344:
5,
12,
22;
346:
l;
356:
16;
357:
17,
18;
358:
18;
366:
10,12;
367:
15,22;
369:
7;
370:
7;
376:
22;
377:
1,
11;
381:
l;
384:
12,19;
389:
5;
398:
4;
400:
15;
401:
17;
403:
20;
409:
3,4;
426:
16;
434:
2,3,
10;
441:
6;
446:
17;
447:
6;
450:
14;
461:
11;
466:
8,22;
467:
10,21;
468:
2;
470:
16;
475:
22;
485:
3;
488:
6;
499:
l;
53O:
ll;
541:
6;
542:
6;
545:
lO;
550:
16;
573:
22;
575:
l;
580:
5;
599:
17;
623:
6;
626:
13;
632:
12;
641:
11;
666:
22;
667:
21;
677~
22;
679:
1,15,
22
pointed
309:
19;
369:
14;
371:
6;
512:
9;
522:
17
points
307:
9;
344:
11;
412:
21;
435:
10;
470:
11;
595:
11,14,
14;
645:
7
poisoned
341:
17;
532:
13;
561:
7;
665:
8
poisoning
561:
19
poisons
553122
poke
513:
5
poking
513:
6
polarize
519:
9;
533:
I
1,
20
policies
435:
12;
436:
6;
489:
14
policy
308:
12;
347:
7;
373:
11;
385:
11,16;
388:
21;
431:
7;
433:
2;
444:
1,
10;
456:
11;
543:
2;
567:
2,3;
582:
12;
597:
4,
16;
599:
5;
617:
15;
621:
20;
666:
5;
667:
2,
5
Political
340:
13;
353:
10,
(
pot
338:
2;
399:
20,21;
j
415:
7;
424:
10;
504:
2­
2;
)
1
14,
22;
374:
20;
428:
6;

pieces
­
prioritization
(
26)
501:
1,1;
564:
ll;
577:
15;
651:
18,21;
652:
11,
15;
681:
21
politicians
674:
8
politics
611:
6,6,6
pollutant
574:
3
pollutants
491:
16;
536:
8;
630:
20
pollute
345:
19
polluted
341:
13;
532:
13;
61
I:
13
polluter
340:
9;
344:
12;
455:
12;
456:
18;
458:
8;
469:
22;
470:
5;
519:
lO;
533:
12,
12,
13;
588:
14,
19;
604:
12;
647:
17;
658:
9;
660:
17,
19;
662:
4
polluters
341:
16,16;
342:
2;
471:
14;
575:
22;
654:
18;
658:
ll
pollution
318:
3;
343:
5,
15;
344:
13;
350:
11;
362:
16;
459:
Z;
534:
4;
536:
17;
538:
16;
584:
13;
593:
13,1/
i,
19,21;
683:
21
pond
627:
13
ponds
663:
9;
664:
3,6
pooper
412:
19,20
poor
341:
18;
381:
21;
500:
22;
554:
12;
573:
19;
574:
l;
581:
5;
587:
16;
M;;
626:
lO;
633:
lO;

popped
657:
5
popular
374:
21;
528:
21
population
625:
3
pork
615:
19
Port
548:
16;
668:
16,17
portion
380:
7,7,8;
406:
lS;
483:
17;
495:
6;
518:
13
portions
424:
10
pose
483:
18;
525:
15;
620:
15,
16;
665:
11,12
posed
525:
s
posing
608:
5
position
573:
3;
648:
3
positions
469:
16;
552:
10;
617:
7;
676:

positive
367:
7;
633:
649:
15
1
8;

positives
378:
15
possession
640:
14
possibilities
346:
10;
529:
17
possibility
536:
15
possible
420:
14;
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390:
7;
391:
10,14;
392:
13;
395:
4,
19;
396:
16;
398:
22;
400:
6;
403:
17;
415:
17;
417:
4;
548:
19;
646:
16;
672:
B
RODS
399:
16;
412:
6,9
role
442:
15;
525:
ll;
554:
22;
556:
19;
564:
19,
19,21;
565:
l;
566:
20;
570:
3
roles
576:
11
roof
676:
5
room
306:
9;
348:
16;
433:
19;
447:
21;
477:
l;
544:
13;
545:
14;
553:
ll;
644:
17;
648:
4;
685:
4
Ross
305:
2;
327:
16
rotate
679:
11
645:
10,648:
4;
653:
6;
658:
21;
677:
3
rights
310:
11,17;
564:
22;
610:
19,21,22;
632:
l
risen
328:
11
RISF
473:
11
rising
309:
21
risk
323:
15,21;
324:
2;
431:
15;
459:
15;
475:
6;
479:
17;
483:
lB;
485:
12;
486:
lO;
492:
22;
503:
9;
504:
21;
505:
9,11;
521:
l;
571:
9,10,10,
10;
572:
6,8,
13;
589:
4;
614:
18,
19,21;
615:
2,4;
665:
11,12;
673:
4
risks
323:
19;
326:
19;
341:
18;
424:
10,11;
431:
16,17;
433:
5,6;
525:
4
River
332:
2;
359:
2;
515:
16;
516:
2;
518:
17,20;
519:
19,21;
520:
12,
18;
522:
B;
58O:
l;
639:
14;
642:
12;
670:
19;
672:
15
rivers
383:
17;
522:
lO;
547:
17
Rives
304:
4
RMI
582:
22
road
336:
10;
337:
6;
341:
4;
369:
15;
491:
2;
492:
lO;
554:
3,3;
579:
15;
581:
9,13;
625:
17
rob
397:
17
robbing
401:
20
Robert
303:
15
Robin
304:
14;
31O:
lS;
350:
6
Robinson
30515:
552:
2;
557:
5,6,6;
595:
22;
596:
6;
599:
17;
604:
20;
608:
3;
609:
13;
614:
13;
619:
19);
_
,
NACEPT
SUPERFUND
SUBCOMMITTEE
MEETING
HOLIDAY
INN
EXPRESS
Rouge
305:
5;
568:
B;
601:
4
rough
400:
14
round
321:
ll
rounds
327:
21
roundtable
430:
4
roundtables
554:
17
route
542:
B;
672:
19
routine
330:
13
Roxbury
636:
ll
RP
398:
22
RPPs
681:
3
RPR
388:
19;
495:
B;
543:
21
RPRs
398:
10
RPs
398:
22
rubber
554:
3,3;
579:
15;
581:
8,
12
rubric
554:
14
ruined
634:
lB
rule
319:
B;
350:
14;
507:
7
rules
522:
14
rumor
649:
16
run
4Ol:
B;
452:
l;
459:
15;
461:
22;
618:
7,8;
683:
6
running
477:
21;
500:
16;
,,.
611:
B;
659:
19;
664:
10;
/
667:
12
runs
664:
11,12
rural
615:
22;
673:
lB
Russian
562~
9;
612:
5
123:
17;
628:
13;
636:
5;
"
`­
`$
2:
18;
655:
19
OCK
670:
19
rot
ket
640:
20
Rocky
305:
12;
446:
14;
33$
16;
334:
8,10,13,
17,
124:
2,6,7,
10,
11,14,
17,

19,22;
335:
4,
12;
336:
4;
337:
s;
338:
8,9,9,
12,
13,
IO;
325:
1,8,
11,
21;
326:
6,

19;
339:
3,18,20,21;
340:
3,14,21;
341:
3,4,22;
7,
lo,
16,16,19,20;

342:
l;
343:
1,3,
11,12,
17,
20,22;
344:
1,3,9,16;
`,
27:
3,7,20,21;
328:
2,5,

345:
5,9,16,
17;
34617,
15,
16,17,
19;
347:
4,20;
2,12,
14,17,20;
329:
3;

348:
2,2,4;
349:
3,4,6,7;
350:
8,
17;
351:
7;
352:
5,
J30:
2,17;
331:
2,8,
12,13,

19,20;
353:
9,9;
354:
2,8,
lO,
ll,
15,18,
18;
355:
5,
13.14.20;
332:
8,16;

6,14,16;
357:
5,9,
lo,
13;
358:
15,
17,
19,20;
359:
4,
4,7,9,
19,20;
360:
4,7,9,
21;
361:
2,2,3,9,19;
362:
9,15,
17,20,21;
363:
19,20;
364:
1,5,8,
12,
14,
17;
365:
4,7,8,16;
366:
4,14;
367:
6,
11,15,
17,22;
368:
11,
12,12,
15,
20,22;
369:
1,21;
370:
12,
12,19;
371:
6,16,17;
372:
1,7;
373:
1,3,4,6,12,
15,17,22;
374:
1,9,10;
375:
1,7,
13;
376:
6,7,21,
22;
377:
7,
10,
12,12,
17,
20;
378:
9,
16,
19;
379:
16,
19;
380:
2,3,4,4,5,7,
IO,
18;
381:
17,18;
382:
2,8,
15,
16,
19,
22;
383:
4,
10,
12;
384:
2,10,15,16,
18,
21;
385:
1,
13,14,
14,
14,
19;
386:
20;
387:
2,3,17,
17;
389:
14,
15,
18,22;
21,22;
450:
1,2,8,
13,
14,
13,20;
439:
8,22;
440:
3,9.

15,
17,
lB;
452:
9,
16:
453:
11,
18;
455:
2,
5,20;
456:
5,8;
45712;
459:
8,8,
14;
441:
4,
10,15,17.20,

9;
460:
9,
20;
461:
2,6,
18,
21;
442:
5;
443:
8,
18,
19;

21;
462:
3,9,
l&
14,
16,
18;
463:
3,/
I,
4;
464:
12,
13;
444:
lO;
445:
1,
1.6;

465:
5,8,
10,
17,21;
466:
4,

7,
11,15,15,16,21;
446:
12,
15;
447:
1,
II,
11.

467:
14,20;
468:
1,12,
15,
16,
16,
17,
19,22;
469:
5,
14,
19;
448:/
t,
14,
16,
17,

6,
15,
16,22;
470:
11.
13,
16;
471:
7,7,
10;
472.16;
473:
19;
474:
7,20,21,22;
17;
449:
4,8,
10,
16,
17,

475:
4;
476:
15;
477:
2,7,7,
11,
11;
478:
4,4,5,5:
479:
1,
5,6,9,
11,
18:
480:
7,8,9,
18;
482:
4,
16,
21;
483:
9,
12;
484:
5,
11,
19;
485:
8,22,22;
486:
13,
16;
487:
9,9,20;
488:
6,6,
7,
11,11,21,21;
689:
7,
lo,
19,20;
490:
6,
14,
15;
491:
2,5,
10,
15,20;
/
192:
4,
5,8,9,9,
13,
22;
493:
4,
5,
8,9,
18;
494:
5,
21;
495:
10,
19.496:
3
3
7
22.497:
11,
IO
I
14,498:
5
6
7,
1
I,
16,18,
19;
21;
4$
9:`
2,
14,
l&
l&,
19;
500:
1>
2,8,
12,
13,
18;
501:
3,4,4,
15,
16;
502:
6,
20,21;
503:
10,22;
504:
15,
16,20;
505:
18,19,
22;
506:
12;
507:
7,12;
508:
2,
5,8,
10,
13,
17;
509:
16;
510:
2,4,
16,
16,
19:
390:
7,
12,
14;
391:
7,8,13;
511:
15,21;
512:
5,7.
Il.
392:
11,18;
393:
3,7,9,13,
21;
513:
14;
514:
3,
10,
11.
18;
394:
7,
19;
395:
16,21,
17,20,20;
515:
1,5.21;
~
22;
396:
4,7,9,
19;
397:
1,
516:
3,3,8.
11;
517:
7,
21;

s
s
306:
17;
307:
16;
308:
19,
22;
309:
21;
310:
3,4,9,20;
311:
8,
10,19,21;
312:
1,9,
10,
19,20,22,22;
313:
5,
15,
18;
314:
2,6;
315:
2,7,
16,
17;
316:
9,
15,
16;
317:
4,
12,
13,
18;
318:
17;
317:`)
12
13
14
15.
320:
1>;
3;
l:
;,
4'
32k9,
15,
19,20;
323:
9,13,
17;
3
4,398,11.399:
11
1'
3
li,
i4,
ih;,
ii;
400:;,
9,'
10,16,
18,21;
401:
4,4,
11,13,
15,16,
17,19;
402:
9;
403:
13,21;
404:
6,
7,12,15;
405:
1,11,12;
406:
3,4,8,
10,20,20;
407:
1,
1,
12;
408:
9,
11,
14,
16;
409:
8,
15,22,22;
410:
6,18,
20;
411:
11,
17:
18,
19;
412:
1,
1,3,20;
413:
9,
lo,
16;
415:
10,
15.
21;
416:
1,2,3,6,9,15,16;
417:
17,20;
418:
3,5,9:
419:
4,7.13;
420:
7,
10.
13,
19;
421:
lO;
422:
8,
12,
16;
424:
3,
11;
426:
1,3,
15:
518:
14,
19,20,21;
519:
2,
3.6,8,
11,
16;
520:
10,
11,
17;
521:
7,9,
10,
12,
15,
20,21;
522:
2,2,8,7.
11,
11,
13,21;
523:
19;
524:
2,
11,
12,13,20,21;
525:
15,
17;
526:
22;
527116;
528:
2,
21.22;
5295,
12,
14,16,
17;
530:
3,3,8,8,
12,
1%
18;
532:
8,
20,
22;
SSS:`,
17,21,22;
534:
19,
19;
535:
1,11;
536'
1";
5j7'
l,
7;
538:
3;
539:
1,
11,
15,
15.
16,21;
540:
17;
541:
7.8.
11,
12,
15,
15,22,22;
542:
12,
18;
543:
LO,
15.
17,
19;
544:
1,3,5>
6:
7.
14,
20,
21,
22,
22;
545:
1,
2.
11,
14,
16;
i46:
3,6,
12,
22;
547:
3,
7,
10.
20;
548:
5,
7,
12,
13,
18,
19;
549%
5.6,
1
427:
13,
15;
428:
4,9,
1%
/
12,13,
13;
429:
5,
13,22;
430:
10,
11,
11;
431:
12,22,
22;
432:
5,18;
433:
10,
13,
21;
434:
2,7.7;
435:
3,
14,
20,20;
436:
9,
1
I,
12,
13;
417:
4.
5.
11:
438:
5.6,
lo,
6,7,
16,21;
550:
1,/
r,
5,8,
14,
ld;
551:
14,17;
552:
16,
17;
553:
5,8,
11;
55k2,
21;

restore
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s
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301
Min­
U­
Scrip&
B
FOI­
The
Record,
1x1~.
­­
(
301)
870­
8025
NACEPT
SUPERFUND
SUBCOMMITTEE
MEETING
HOLIDAY
INN
EXPRESS
555:
9,
17,
18;
556:
5,
11;
557:
9;
558:
2;
559:
l;
560:
7,
18,22;
561:
lO;
563:
4,6,6,8,
14,
15,
16;

564:
15.
20;
565:
9,
12,
22;
566:
17,20;
567:
3,11,
15,
16;
568:
11,13,15,17;
569:
13,
IS;
570:
12;
571:
17:
572:
j,
8,
11;
573:
3,4.7.13,
14,
14,
19,
21;
574:.
4,
9,
10,
11,
15,
16;
575:
20;
576:
3,8,
13;
NEW
BEDFORD,
MA
June
18,
200$

684:
17,20;
685:
4
sack
610:
1
sacred
331:
20
Sacrifice
505:
21;
569:
19,
20,21
Safe
354:
9,13,
17;
355:
1,
11;
361:
4;
571:
17,
17;
614:
20;
633:
15,
16
safety
348:
19
sake
578:
lO;
623:
19;
630:
2;
653:
5
salad
387:
IO,
11,
I
3,16
Salt
494:
19;
600:
1
I
Sam
444:
22
same
309:
l;
317:
21;
318:
2;
320:
12;
322:
5;
335:
8;
336:
6;
347:
18;
350:
16;
356:
11;
363:
17;
S71:
22;
372:
21;
373:
4;
379:
22;
406:
21,22;
407:
1,
16;
409:
22;
429:
lo;
434:
13;
459:
19;
475:
22;
479:
19;
492:
8;
528:
12;
536:
6;
540:
12;
571:
6,8;
576:
22;
583:
lO;
590:
17;
610:
2;
615:
7;
616:
6;
618:
6;
625:
10,
10;
627:
11;
628:
6;
630:
15,
16;
634:
lO;
640:
17;
656:
21;
659:
19;
682:
7
samples
513:
3;
516:
1
sampling
514:
8,8;
652:
16
San
303:
13;
528:
4;
580:
5
Sandra
305:
12;
645:
1,4;
655:
15;
680:
9
Sandy
613:
lO
sanitizing
562:
4
sarcoma
590:
13
Sat
51O:
l;
544:
12:
559:
4;
564:
2;
604:
22;
614:
16;
625:
13;
637:
21
Save
309:
2;
395:
20;
454:
13,
18;
668:
22
saved
596:
13;
64
I:
4
saving
506:
14
Savings
668:
21;
669:
3
saw
330:
7;
351:
5;
358:
7,
12;
450.12;
452:
13;
4
59:
16;
480:
12;
502:
19;
559:
l;
595:
ll;
597:
7,15;
673:
8;
674:
2
saying
318:
7;
320:
15;
325:
6;
332:
ll;
334:
16,
18;
335:
19;
38O:
lO;
382:
16;
383:
21;
398:
h,
.102:
18;
434:
20;
.449:
8
9
20.
>
1
450:
1,4.9;
152:
8;
4(:
1:
7;
462~
2;
475:
19;
476:
17;
184:
lO:
508:
7:
510:
8r
616:
lO;
619:
17;
635:
20;
636:
6;
638:
21;
640:
4;
652:
18;
653:
1;
668:
10;
671:
ZO;
673:
6;
678122
scale
510:
7;
545:
15;
63O:
lO
scam
435:
19,20
scare
578:
6
scared
443:
14;
457:
2;
606:
19;
660:
17
scares
34
1:
15
scaring
606:
7
scary606:
16
scenario
486:
10;
526:
546:
6;
622:
15;
672:
3
scenes
648:
13
scenic
547:
16
schedule
492:
20
scheduling
684:
4
scheme
337:
17
schemes
443:
2
21;
338:
18;
342:
lS;
343:
4
18;
35O:
lO;
363:
13,
15;
364:
l;
385:
3,
19;
388:
17,
17;
392:
18,18;
411:
4;
418:
3,
10,
12;
427:
12,
15;
428:
3;
436:
13,
14,16;
437:
14;
44515;
453:
Zl;

473:
3,8,
18,22;
481:
3,5;
506:
1,8;
517:
11,
13;
522:
5;
663:
3;
664:
6;
675:
11,
12
Sectioning
382:
22
sections
307:
18,20;
308:
11,
15,
18,
19,21;
309:
4;
317:
14;
539:
8
sector
390:
18;
453:
14
security
399:
ll;
400:
21;
405:
12,
16
sediment
536:
lS;
537:
2;
548:
16;
668:
8,20
sediments
515:
22;
629:
8:
674:
4
senior
446:
14;
597:
14,
16;
657:
6
sense
306:
10;
309:
3;
320:
19;
346:
14;
35O:
Zl;
360:
21;
382:
1,13,
14;
385:
20,22;
395:
7;
409:
6;
410:
17;
413:
22;
421:
7;
428:
10;
439:
12,18;
440:
3;
445:
9,14;
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533:
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556:
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384~
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454:
8
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477~
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365:
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320:
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327:
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412:
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326:
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403:
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456:
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586:
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588:
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314:
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649:
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682:
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454:
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441:
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439:
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582:
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14,15;
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4
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653:
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313:
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362:
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541:
5,16;
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652:
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482:
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562:
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501:
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343:
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578:
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341:
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437:
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537:
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10;
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15;
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668:
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641:
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303:
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308:
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334:
20;
536:
4;
568:
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576:
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389:
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17;
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503:
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630:
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391:
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600:
17
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574:
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413:
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305:
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20,22;
666:
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321:
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19;
376:
lO;
526:
5,6;
532:
l;
618:
5;
673:
18
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525:
20;
538:
14;
547:
5;
557:
20;
559:
8;
562:
12;
570:
16;
608:
7;
645:
20;
674:
15
simplest
484:
13
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398:
3
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504:
4
simply
346:
6;
396:
l;
546:
19;
572:
6;
577:
16;
578:
14;
608:
9;
629:
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5
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338:
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531:
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545:
17;
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7;
625:
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615:
16
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555:
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16;
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19
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595:
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340:
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347:
3;
400:
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416:
9,15;
492:
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3;
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3;
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13;
586:
14;
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7
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312:
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316:
8,
20;
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20;
330:
7;
332:
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339:
1,2;
343:
9;
346:
16,16,17,21,21;
347:
4,9,19,20,20;
350:
9;
352:
2;
365:
1,1;
367:
8;
371:
12;
391:
10,21,21;
392:
8;
393:
6,8,
11;
394:
18,20,21;
395:
4,16;
398:
17;
399:
2;
403:
15,16;
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10,
13;
412:
6;
415:
16,
19;
416:
7,
12;
417:
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419:
20;
420:
3,20;
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9;
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2;
438:
12;
454:
17;
464:
3,12;
465:
11;
477:
9,
19,19;
478:
4,4;
480:
4;
481:
16,17;
483:
1,17;
484:
13,
15;
485:
17;
486:
4,
8,
20;
489:
20;
490:
1,3,5,
6;
492:
14;
493:
1,14;
494:
19;
496:
14,16,22;
498:
14;
499:
11;
500:
1;
503:
8;
504:
10,11,11,12,
14,14,
17,
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22,22;
505:
2,9;
507:
5,
16;
508:
1,
16,17;
510:
9,13;
511:
19;
512:
3,15,15,19;
513:
1,5;
514:
2,16,19;
516:
7,15,
20;
517:
3,9;
518:
16;
520:
10;
523:
11,13;
524:
1,
14,19;
525:
1;
526:
4;
527:
5,13,15,22;
528:
7;
530:
3,10;
531:
3,4,5;
532:
2,3;
536:
9,
10,
lO;
538~
5;
539:
16,21,21,22,
22;
540:
1,2,15;
541:
4,11;
544:
7;
545:
17,22;
546:
7,
20;
547:
8;
548:
12,16,20;
549:
9,10,12,15;
55O:
lO;
556:
18;
560:
16,17;
563:
18;
564:
10,17;
565:
19,20;
566:
4;
567:
10,
13,15;
568:
5,
15,
16;
570:
9;
579:
17;
580:
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4,
5;
581:
ll;
582:
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588:
4;
589:
5;
590:
15,19;
591:
5,6;
597:
12;
604:
11;
609:
13,
14,18,
18;
611:
15;
617:
2;
618:
7,22;
622:
3;
623:
20;
628:
14,21;
629:
6,
9,15,17,22;
634:
10;
636:
9,12,13,
15,21;
637:
5,12;
646:
13,
l&
18;
651:
22;
652:
5,9,15;
654:
4;
655:
7;
656:
14,22;
658:
12;
661:
22;
662:
21;
663:
11,
17,21;
664:
9,
11,
15;
672:
15;
676:
7;
681:
9
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481:
15;
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356:
15
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314:
7,
18;
315:
22;
316:
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323:
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15;
32Q:
4,
5;
328:
22;
329:
10,21;
330:
9;
331:
2,
6,16;
334:
4;
336:
21;
337:
9,
10;
340:
10,17,
18,
19;
341:
3,
11;
342:
17;
343:
15;
344:
15,21;
345:
12,
13;
346:
3;
347:
8,
21;
348:
18;
349:
3,12,20;
351:
9,
12,14,
15;
360:
7,
13,
14,17;
365:
2;
371:
14;
375:
6,
18,
19,
22,22;
376:
15;
377:
6,
19,
19:
378:
2,21;
379:
3,15;
382:
22;
386:
10;
388:
22;
391:
18;
392:
9;
394:
22;
395:
14;
396:
7,8;
397:
1,4,
12,15,21;
398:
20;
403:
5,
8;
405:
6,13;
409:
8;
411:
15,
19;
412%;
415:
12,
15;
417:
12;
419:
15;
420:
1;
421%;
423:
9,
17,21;
424:
9;
431:
14,
15,
15,16,
16,20,20;
432:
1,4,5;
434:
7;
436:
18;
439:
2;
441:
15;
442:
16,
18;
443:
11;
445:
18;
446:
17,
20,21,22;
455:
1;
456:
15;
461:
12,14;
462:
11;
465:
3;
472:
20;
473:
4;
474:
19,21;
476:
1;
479:
3,7;
482:
1;
483:
12,21;
486:
12;
487:
14,21;
488:
12;
490:
14;
491:
16;
493:
18,
19;
494:
16;
496:
4,4,
17,
19;
497:
20;
498:
9;
502:
16;
504:
7;
505:
7,
11,12;
506:
8,
11;
507:
5,10,
12;
508:
16;
509:
4,
18;
510:
21;
511:
1,
16,18;
512:
13,
17;
513:
lO;
514:
13,
13;
515:
6,
8,10,11,1
I,
12,12,13,
13,
14,
15,
16,
16,17,
18;
516:
9,
12;
517:
1,3,
15,
17,
l&
22,22;
518:
1,4,5;
519:
19;
520:
16,21,21;
521:
4,22;
522:
6,15;
523:
3,3,5;
524:
21;
525:
5,
17;
526:
19;
531:
10,10,18;
533:
7;
536:
3,5,7,13;
538:
16,19;
539:
14;
541:
1,
564:
8;
571:
21;
582:
6;
590:
7;
610:
2;
624:
5;
638:
4;
656:
10;
663:
22
situ
495:
15
situation
357:
7;
427122;
478:
4;
492:
1;
495:
14;
531:
12;
533:
20;
535:
2;
543:
19;
598:
5;
621:
3;
643:
20;
646:
4;
672:
7;
674:
3
situations
333:
5;
361:
13;
383:
4,18;
510:
4;
656:
7
six
357:
19;
391:
16;
446:
21;
456:
2;
4692;
528:
9;
529:
5;
550:
11;
592:
l
size
53O:
ZO;
531.5
sized
623:
lO
Skaggs
304:
s;
s24:
lo;
325:
13;
336:
8;
338:
19;
359:
14;
396:
13;
398:
12;
416:
19;
417:
10;
496:
1
skeptical
434:
22;
435:
l
skip
324:
lO
slay
339:
3
slice
427:
4
slicing
449:
18
slide
467:
16;
558:
19;
559:
14;
560:
1/
i;
562.18;
563:
17;
564:
18;
565.11;
566:
7,13;
567:
1,9,19,22;
569:
5,9,18,
17;
570:
11:
571:
3,7;
572:
5,
13,
14
slides
651:
j
slip
506:
4;
550:
10,
11
slot
504:
17
slouch
357:
10
slow
394:
5
slows
516:
14
4;
542:
17,19;
543:
4;
545:
16,21,22;
546:
6,9;
SMACRA
330r2';
547:
22;
548:
11,14;
333:
18;
346:
4,9;
347:
8
small
311:
7;
415:
2;
428:
6;
462:
11;
510:
5;
528:
13;
531:
4;
605:
12;
606:
13;
633:
9;
639:
4;
643:
2,3
smaller
403:
3:
431:
15;
53O:
l;
545:
22;
654:
5,
20;
655:
2
smart
624:
22;
634:
14,
21
smarter
621:
22,
22
smidgen
341:
11
Smith­
Free
30s:
I
5
smoke
532:
15,20:
575:/
r;
580:
10
smoking
519:
2;
5S2:
7
smoothly
634:
13
snapshot
368:
18:
372:
16
so­
called
568:
18
soccer
639:
13
societal
331:
1,15;
GO:
X;
533:
2,15
society
51916
sodas
387:
1/
l;
551.5
softer
502:
10
549:
13,17;
555:
14;
556:
19;
55&
l,
2;
559:
11,
18;
560:
10,
11,
11;
561:
8,
13;
563:
18;
564:
12,
14;
565:
21;
568:
3;
569:
3,6,6,
11;
573:
11,
12;
575:
14;
577:
18;
581:
5;
583:
Z;
585:
13,17;
587:
22;
i89:
J;
602:
21;
603:
8,12,12,13>
17,18,19,
19;
604:
1,4,9;
605:
2,5,8,9,
13;
608:
5;
609:
3,16,19;
610:
11;
616:
20;
623:
21;
627:
16;
628:
1,15,
15,16;
631:
18;
636:
9,14;
649:
16;
650:
3,
4,8,8,
11;
652:
13;
653:
12,
14,22;
659:
7,9;
660:
15;
663:
2;
669:
9;
679:
12;
680:
14;
681:
19
Siting
560:
19;
561:
l;
586:
15;
590:
3
sits
4002;
566:
18,21
sitting
380:
11;
397:/
t;
400:
5;
421:
19;
492:
9;
508:
7,7;
5~
4:
10;
559:,~;
560:
16;
561:
9;
563:
18;

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18,2003
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EXPRESS
431:
3;
465:
13,
14;
482:
20;
487:
17:
592:
1;
597:
6;
650:
3
spill
345:
9
spilled
529:
3
spirit
447:
B
splintering
609:
4
Split
407:
3;
480:
21;
546:
21;
662:
15
spoke
444:
5;
531:
2,11;
596:
16;
613:
2;
644:
21
spoken
498:
5;
591:
2,3,
20
spokesmen
623:
7
spontaneous
616:
4
spontaneously
572:
4
sports
60112
zportsplex
664:
9,
12,13
spot
363:
4;
475:
lo;
196:
9;
544:
11;
629:
13;
i50:
11;
672:
19
ipots
486:
21;
493:
15;
;
50:
12;
653:
15
sprawl
624:
22
469:
lo
standpoint
380:
2;
514:
13;
632:
9,
15;
634~
4;
653:
17;
681:
13
StaniSlaVSky
676:
20
Star
489:
11
Starfield
304:
18;
306:
18;
307:
13,
15;
345:
21,22;
482:
11,18;
491:
8
start
306:
12;
309:
5;
312:
15;
328:
17;
364:
2;
399:
17;
400:
3;
418:
3;
431:
9;
434:
20;
441:
3;
456:
3;
467:
13;
477:
4;
48213;
496:
4;
516:
7;
529:
13;
540:
17,
18;
545:
t
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557:
1,5;
595:
18,20;
601:
10,
15;
603:
17;
609:
11;
621:
5;
662:
10,11
671:
11;
683:
17
started
337:
14;
377:
B;
398:
12;
412:
19;
419:
20;
452:
14;
462:
4;
472:
17;
I­­
47515;
50117;
533:
B;
543122;
568:
17;
594:
15;

spread
426:
17,
19;
621:
7;
636:
17;
655:
22;
110:
16;
529:
9
671:
10;
685:
4
ipring
652:
3,
11,
14,
19;
Starting
363:
ll;
399:
3;
153:
10
403:
l;
418:
5,9;
423:
5
;
pun
344:
21
Starts
395:
14;
401:
6;
424118;
42519;
47315
quare
569:
12
starve
462:
B
I
6
S
S
:

S
S
S51:
15.;
560:
14;
392:
11;
S96:
l
S;
44j:
B;
527:
9;
Special
479:
2,8;
511:
17;
526:
12;
538:
4;
546:
20;
Staff
406:
6;
445:
6;
495:
7;
S48:
4,4;
349:
14;
354:
18;

632:
4
S55:
9;
357:
21,22;
358:
6;

568:
21;
580:
18;
63920;
609:
2;
644:
7;
685:
1
664:
20
stage
312:
20;
320~
13;
359:
12;
360:
12;
361:
20;

Specific
308:
14;
310:
11,
377:
21;
3899,
12,
19;
363:
6,7,21;
364:
1,5,19,

son
599
I!,
16;
347:
5,9,
10;
363:
22;
396:
16,
16;
39~
15;
20;
366:
2,
14;
367:
5,9;

soon
4
1
1:
5;
.426:
6;
549:
9;
j64:
5;
366:
2;
373:
16;
399:
22;
400:
6;
417:
17;
I­
:
S68.8,16;
369:
11;
370:
14;

551:
2;
59S:
16:
643:
15;
S75:
2;
380:
15;
382:
5;
42l:
L
3;
466:
17;
547:
6,
10
171.14,22;
372:
1,3;

664
:
1
.
j
S84:
14;
j86:
10,
12,
15;
stages
316:
3;
623:
21;
I.
375
2.
376.2;
377y2i
:
;­
sore
568.6
390:
5;
414:
10;
418:
6,
11;
628:
16
37811;
380:
2,8;
381:
9,
19;

Sorry
S
IS:
14;
32318;
420:
9;
421:
16;
427:
12;
staggering
659:
B
'
382:
3;
383:
22;
384:
21;

J24:
B:
S95:
ll;
401:
lo;
450:
10;
454:
2;
461:
21;
Stah,
677:
17
386:
14;
403:
19;
408:
3;

406:
6,
.471:
16;
497:
18;
481:
16;
483:
1;
492:
14;
422:
14;
431:
11;
436:
14;

5S2:
8,
16:
626:
s
513:
22;
613:
12:
620:
6;
455:
8;
466:
12;
497:
14;

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S2.5.1;
S28:
4,8;
639:
7;
64s:
14
.
SS4:
6;
S46:
8,
19;
347:
l.
3;
specifically
j39:
21;

349.8.
S56:
5.
.$
60:
5.
j63:
20;
408:
20;
423:
15;

S6,+:
2i.
S65:
b;
S66:
i2,
17,
.480:
21;
?
85:
8;
502:
18;

18;
S89:
14,
16;
415:
14;
516:
19
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19:
7;~~/
20:
10.
20;
42l:
S;
Specifics
372:
3;
425~
7
soil
490:
16;
495:
19;
498:
11:
622:
16;
639:
18
soils
477.20;
652:
8
sound
457:
15;
561:
20
sounded
409:
6
sounds
354:
14;
409:
B;
sole
h65:
6
solid
s68:
11
solids
5294
Sob?
385:
17;
431:
7;
434:
21;
618:
16
solvent
616:
lB;
629:
6
somebody
jo8:
22;
S15:
21;
Sl6:
4;
318:
7;
33212;
361122;
437116;
451:
15;
452:
8;
460:
7;

461:
3;
`
49S:
B;
550:
7;
486:
21;
544:
13;
581:
B;
603:
22;
627:
13
soup
605:
ll
source
328:
21;
329:
lO;
417:
6;
459:
2;
496:
4,8;
510:
15;
511:
5;
537:
6,7;
539:
3;
541:
lj.
14;
549:
19;
563:
22
sources
332:
6;
476:
5;
511:
5;
523:
12;
529:
14;
611:
20
South
561:
2;
565:
lO;
590:
14;
591:
5;
599:
20
Southern
577~
4;
578:
17
sovereign
3
10:
lo
space
637:
6,13
Spanish
341:
14
sparsity
424:
13
speak
306:
7;
333:
20;
4279;
446:
12;
45113;
516:
lO;
53O:
B;
56717~
9,
13;
579:
12;
587:
9;
595:
l;
644:
7;
645:
6;
671:
15
speaker
572:
19,21;
579:
4;
589:
16;
661:
2;
672:
12
speakers
34
I:
15;
463:
7;
682:
1/
i
speaking
334:
l;
451:
6;
49O:
lB;
505:
21;
539:
1,4;
626:
B
speaks
566:
22;
591:
ll
/
'
states
313:
17,
19,20;
314:
8,
17,22;
315:
5,12;
316:
ll;
347:
3;
354122;
355:
5,7,13;
364:
B;
365:
1,
17;
369:
15,16,18;
372:
12,
14,17;
373:
3,18,20,21;
374:
1,3,
14,22,22;
375:
5,

7,8,9,13,18;
377:
6,18,
19,20;
378:
3,5,
17;
379:
14;
380:
12,
16,19;
381:
12,15;
382:
21;
383:
5,
8,
15;
3852,
17;
386:
6,7,
9,11;
389:
13;
403:
15;
404:
1;
405:
3;
425:
10;
431:
2;
465:
2;
48O:
B;
486:
7;
4985;
526:
14;
554:
22;
564:
ll;
569:
20;
587:
16;
606:
13;
610:
8,9;
611:
5;
650:
17,
18;
667:
8,
15,17
statue
591:
13
status
441:
14
statute
439:
B;
441:
13;
156:
15;
498:
13;
524:
ll;
;
09:
6,8
statutory
359:
16;
378:
B;
156:
21;
474:
12;
556:
21
itave
530:
13
stay
471:
9;
494~
3;
i56:
21;
586:
B;
587:
lo;
;
55:
16
;
tayed
358:
B;
445:
ls
staying
470:
22
stays
355:
4
steady
408:
3
;
teP
486:
16:
487~
6:
~
4j:
l5;
602:
i3;
61~:
19;
153:
13
`
tepping
316:
16;
600:
19
teps
416:
22;
483:
13;
11:
21;
512:
12;
532:
21;
93:
6
;
teptoe
303:
B
teve
303:
lO;
312:
17;
13:
13;
322:
9;
348:
12;
01:
13;
443:
19;
448:
15
tewardship
555:
7
tewart
449~
4
tick
4659
till
306:
5;
309:
6;
317:
lB;
34:
14;
335:
5;
353:
21;
j5:
5;
360:
3;
362:
20;
)
6:
20,22;
407:
10;
)
8:
14;
410:
4,
5,
ll;
17:
8;
429:
ll;
432:
18;
54:
7;
447:
9;
448:
15;
iO:
19;
458:
12;
464:
13;
`
7:
21;
494:
B;
503:
lO;
!
7:
11,
14;
535:
B;
544:
21;
j5:
5;
550:
18;
559:
B;
,1:
9;
56418;
566:
5,15;
17:
15;
568:
6;
606:
16;
,8:
7;
609:
15;
610:
2;
4:
18;
629:
B;
635:
17;
8:
4;
640:
3;
655~;
5:
10;
682:
18;
685:
1
xk
618:
6
568:
21:
581:
13;
586:
5;
6166;
660:
2l
somehow
364:
6;
447:
4;
494:
3;
511:
lB;
598:
22;
649:
j;
651:
1
1
someone
382:
9;
419:
22;
496:
2
1;
580:
18;
670:
3
someplace
476~
6;
528:
lO.
15
sometime
365:
17;
500:
I
5
sometimes
jll:
6;
353:
1s;
j61:
11;
447:
10;
471:
5;
4x7:
6;
490:
1;
.494.5;
566:
17;
618:
15;
634:
20;
678:
7,9;
661:
18;

G67:
7:
669:
16;
67'
94;
68S:
12,
12
somewhat
389:
7:
S93:
lS;
555:
18
somewhere
34
I
:
21;
I
!

s
I
5
queezing
417:
1
;
RS
573:
12,
12;
612:
7
STs
574:
6
it
303:
lB;
526:
s
State
303:
20;
304:
5,7;
312:
14,16;
314:
2;
315:
14,

.422:
1
I:
,4SS:
5;
440:
16:
spend
307:
19;
309:
16;
648:
17:
452:
2;
451:
3,
18;
.
I(,():
1
1;
470:
7;
.48>:
4,
16;
322:
s;
349~
7;
39217;
42S:
7,
13;
431:
19;
1133:
4;
~
49I.
ll.
492
12;
501:
18;
464:
2;
478:
19;
484:
14;
507
7:
50X.
1
j,
17.
509:
1
1;
504:
6,
13;
505:
2;
515:
21;
5462,
V/
7:
4;
5.48:
22;
521:
6,7,8.
11,
13;
650:
7;
550:­
J:
598:
19,607.5;
670:
12;
672:
9;
67­
3:
5,6;

61s~
7,625.20;
6S1:?;
68S:
20
C,
56:
IS,
I
s;
657:
12;
07.1:
I
I
spending
349:
I;
497:
3:
514:
19;
643:
1;
669:
12
sorts
s89:
S;
`
146:
15;
54l:
l'I.
hj7:
6,7;
647:
4;
spent
­
135:
13;
370:
20;
S97:
S;
400%;
405:
4;
(
150:
IO
424:
8;
430:
429:
12;
j;

FQr
`
lk~
record,
Inc.
­­
(
301)
870­
8025
stake
319:
7;
53117;
674:
ll
498:
9;
503:
4;
510:
8;

stakeholder
594:
16;
519:
14;
540:
9;
556:
18;

648:
2
562:
20;
564:
9,
13;
565:
3;

stakes
331:
li
56817;
570~
1;
579:
5;

stand
44~~
18;
450:
j;
583:
16;
591:
3;
597:
5;

575120;
57615,
5,6,8;
610:
5,7,8,9;
611:
13;

578:
8,9;
635:
12,
18
631:
17;
632:
14;
634:
3;

standard
324:
20;
j54:
16,
636:
16;
638:
19;
654:
7;
656:
20;
657:
1,
11;
659:
13;
18,21;
355:
1,
5,6,7,
lo,
661:
17,
18;
666:
11,13,21;
12;
361:
3;
470:
2;
.476:
16:
hh7:
2,7,9,
10,
13;
681:
8,
518:
5;
540:
1;
639:
1~,
11
standardized
371:
22;
1
state­
of­
the­
art
519:
15
372:
5
/
stated
470:
I
16
;
530:
.
.
.
sranaards
340:
20;
359:
15;
360:
3;
458:
10;
StChXTleIlt
Sl4:
6;
352:
8;

470:
5;
4716;
4w:
10;
418:
20;
424:
3,
11;
435:
11;

539:
20,
20;
54O:
s,
19;
,475:
4;
518:
6;
608:
11;
I
I
565:
5
623:
;
680:
15
statements
standing
4
19:
361:
l;
I
I,
I(,;
~
481:
14;
620:
17
367:
7;

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Min­
U­
Script@
5
s
S
3
41
S'

S
Si
Sl
31
3'
4(
4(
41
4:
45
47
5i
54
56
56
60
61
63
66
stc
(
33)
soil
­
stock
NEW
BEDFORD,
MA
June
l&
2003
NACEPT
SUPERFUND
SUBCOMMITTEE
MEETING
HOLIDAY
INN
EXPRESS
Stoel304:
4
stones
48214
stood
575:
19;
595:
10
stop
356:
2;
529:
13;
549~
5;
550:
5;
56214;
566:
ll;
587:
s;
588:
15;
589:
8,9,
11;
602:
1,2;
625:
19;
634:
2,7;
675:
22
stopped
390:
9;
600:
3;
612:
6
stops
576:
2
store
600:
10
stories
358:
20;
562:
11;
611:
19
storm
536:
19
story
521115;
524:
16;
590:
7;
591:
11;
676:
18
straight
335:
4;
660:
21
straightforward
468:
s
strain
68O:
l
strangest
498:
13
strapped
540:
6,9
strategies
364:
7;
514:
s;
544:
s
strategy
543:
22
straw
451:
lS
Street
611:
14;
624:
12;
637:
5;
664:
7;
672:
15
streets
624:
9
strengthen
583:
12;
585:
9;
606:
11;
613:
9
strengthening
458:
9,10
strengths
334:
3;
338:
15;
364:
5;
366:
14;
370:
2
stress
311:
19;
312:
9,19;
313:
7;
497:
2
stretch
422122
stretched
602:
9
strict
461:
13;
479:
17
strictly
353:
s
strike
488:
16
strikes
444:
15;
486:
18;
542:
7
striking
425:
5
strong
309:
11;
342:
5;
481:
l;
532:
lS;
535:
4;
56O:
l;
573:
12;
642:
1;
667:
13
strongest
344:
13
strongly
470:
I;
478:
16;
496:
16;
603:
3
struck
483:
5;
627:
9
structure
353:
19
structured
327:
ll;
380:
20
struggle
602:
9;
675:
17
struggling
559:
7;
603:
lO
Student
574:
7
students
592:
12
studied
367:
15;
571:
15,
16
studies
351:
7;
356:
17;
357:
14;
361:
10,
13;
364:
16,
19;
372:
13;
373:
9;

StoeX
I
Swamp
(
34)
397:
5,
18;
403:
13;
405:
13;
421:
20;
454:
15;
515:
20
study
358:
17;
367:
10,12,
13;
370:
10,15;
371:
20;
372:
6;
375:
7,
15;
374:
l;
375:
9,12;
379:
7;
381:
5;
398:
7,17;
399:
3,21;
403:
18;
417:
19,21;
433:
8;

440:
15;
454:
8,11,
14,15,
17;
460:
21;
464:
s;
465:
18,

22;
468:
15;
583:
22;
587:
19,20;
615:
11;
618:
4
studying
394:
8;
671:
7
stuff
338:
13;
356~
5;
431:
18;
432:
19;
433:
9;
447:
17;
455:
6,20;
456:
2;
460:
14;
480:
9,11;
492:
20;
499:
8;
502:
10;
519:
1;
534:
6;
551:
6;
598:
16;
640:
22;
658:
21;
659:
lS;
663:
4,13;
674:
3
stupid
677:
10
style
606:
22;
607:
21
styles
598:
17
subbed
622:
12,14
Subcommittee
302:
9;
352:
S,
14;
368:
1,4,7;
384:
22;
385:
9;
393:
14;
418:
16;
427:
11,16,20,22,
428:
5,
13;
467:
6,
10,
18,
22;
471:
20;
472:
2,3;
480:
15;
486:
3;
545:
3;
SS6:
14;
576:
9;
580:
15;
586:
15;
587:
19;
590:
3;
593:
3,11;
594:
18;
597:
19;
601:
15;
613:
18;
617:
4;
642:
21;
643:
4,
S,
8,16;
671:
14;
674:
22;
676:
1;
682:
13
subdivision
611:
12
subdivisions
S68:
16
subgroup
517:
17
subject
326:
7;
340:
21;
34216;
343:
s;
367:
16;
177:
3;
54419;
581:
7
subjects
469:
20
submit
602:
7;
603:
5;
507:
9;
608:
16
submitted
414:
19
Subra
304:
lO;
349:
ll;
365:
15;
377:
3;
415:
12;
182:
lO;
593:
12
subscribe
374:
15
subsequent
472:
16
subset
510:
11,12
subsistence
600:
12;
505:
3
substance
318:
lO;
328:
13;
35O:
l;
469:
14;
661:
14
substances
629:
5,
16
substandard
630:
12,19
substantive
318:
6;
350:
22;
555:
ll
substitute
336:
3
subsystems
475:
6,8
suburb
634:
s
succeeding
519:
21
succeeds
670:
15
success
358:
20;
483:
7;
4872;
502:
14;
611:
19;
655:
1,6;
670:
15
successes
359:
3;
361:
ll
successful
355:
10;
468:
13;
521:
21;
598:
ll;
670:
15
successfully
486:
s;
487:
4;
599:
l
sucking
518:
lS
sudden
448:
17;
466:
12;
564:
9
suddenly
667:
2
Sue
303:
5;
311:
14;
312:
19;
318:
ll;
320:
14;
327:
lS;
328:
18;
329:
13;
359:
13;
360:
18;
429:
8;
440:
14;
444:
21;
452:
17;
453~
2;
475~
12;
479:
9;
485:
6;
486:
3;
489:
3;
496:
12;
497:
6,19;
524:
16;
527:
19;
594:
8,10,12;
626:
13,16;
684:
19,20
sued
358:
5
suffer
557~
16;
560:
4;
563:
s;
57912;
630:
22;
653:
7
suffered
558:
16;
561:
6;
614:
22
suffering
342:
4;
543:
6;
S65:
8;
615:
9
sufficient
404:
lO
sugar
436:
9;
6OO:
ll
suggest
317:
5,20;
326:
9;
329:
18;
333:
ll;
J37:
2;
361:
7,
12,
15;
371:
17;
387:
22;
41O:
lO;
123:
20;
424:
5;
433:
3;
446:
6;
485:
16;
505:
18;
506:
7;
535:
5;
608:
19;
655:
l;
657:
21
suggested
307:
5;
321:
6;
360:
22;
366:
l;
410:
20;
118:
lS;
451:
4;
454:
21;
670:
3
suggesting
310:
21;
J21:
15,
17;
325:
22;
353:
20;
368:
14;
429:
l;
452:
7;
471:
9;
515:
5,6;
532:
22;
656:
5,
11
suggestion
310:
22;
315:
6;
373:
17;
395:
18;
418:
13;
452:
4;
507:
13;
Superfund­
worthy
324:
4
supervision
664:
17
supplement
401:
5;
657:
14
supplemental
548:
18
supplementary
655:
17
supplemented
402:
10
supplied
327:
17
supply
495:
17
support
310:
22;
3264;
381:
13;
412:
5;
415:
8;
454:
20;
467:
7;
468:
11,
11.
12,
14,
16,22;
469:
5,6;
470:
5,9;
485:
1;
496:
15;
514:
9,12;
574:
7;
595115
supported
447:
21;
453:
18
summarily
588:
6
summarize
674:
13
summary
307:
l;
309:
s;
363:
12;
426121
summertime
6OO:
lO
summit
476:
20;
552:
22
summoned
628:
22
Sunday
641:
7
super
627:
5
superficial
373:
l;
451:
8;
452122
Super­
fund
302:
9;
323:
16,
19;
324:
5;
328:
22;
329:
4,12,21;
330:
16;
331:
7,8,17,
18;
332:
12,
15;
333:
4;
336:
17,20,21;
33717;
338:
1,3,7,8;
339:
6;
340:
8,
11,17,19;
341:
4,11;
343:
15;
344:
14,
supporting
3536;

19;
345:
2,
15;
346:
4,7,16,
414:
13
18,20;
347:
20,20;
348:
18;
349:
s;
352:
13;
353:
14,17;
357:
20;
358:
3,5,7;
359:
18;
360:
3,4,8,9,
11;
368:
3;
371:
11;
374:
19;

375:
3,18,19;
390:
3;
393:
5;
394:
7,
14;
396:
22;
401:
22;
405:
21;
406:
12,
22,22;
408:
6,7,
15;
409:
7,
17;
421:
8;
425:
20;
429:
2;
430:
18,22;
431:
6,
19;
432:
3,4;
433:
lO;
440:
13;
453:
9,15,20;
455:
1,12,
16;
459:
11;
461:
14;
462:
8;
463:
22;
468:
20;
474:
20;
487~
5;
488:
21;
494:
16;
5OO:
l;
503:
3;
507:
lO;
4u:
u;
430:
17,20;

511:
19;
518:
5,8,16;
436:
20;
449:
13;
453.5;
,_,
_­
supportive
393:
18;
533:
18,19
supposed
31214;
~
246;
456:
14;
461:
22;
462:
l;
559:
21;
663:
11
supposedly
440:
I?;
561:
16;
569:
18;
570:
13
sure
308:
2;
311:`):
313:
16;
314:
ll;
322:
8,
12;
324:
6,
11;
331:
5;
335:
11;
339:
15;
343:
5,7,12;
345:
3;
346122;
357:
2;
360:
6;
366:
19;
367:
12;
376:
21;
377:
7;
386:
20;
390:
21,22;
391:
s;
401:
7;
416:
19;
419:
18;.
421~
10;
1^­
.^

519:
ll;
S20:
22;
S21:
S,
19,
20,22;
522:
2;
52718.
12:
14,
14,
17;
528:
7,8;
531:
10,18;
532:
3,
19;
533:
7;
541:
3;
542:
lS;
543:
3,
19;
544:
6;
548:
13;
549:
21;
555:
14;
556:
14,
17;
558:
3,20,22;
559:
2,
11,13;
560:
3,
10,
ll;
564:
14;
566:
4;
S72:
17;
580:
3,3,/
I,
4.
5,11,
19,21;
581:
15;
S82:
10,
17;
584:
2.
18;
585:
10,
11;
586:
17;
456:
11.476:
12.491:
20,
22;
49i:
13;
49d:?;
500:
3,
4;
503:
13;
528:
16;
535:
17;
54916;
555:
lS;
564:
20,22;
578:
4;
583:
ll;
585:
X;
592:
9;
593:
7,8;
598~
2,
20,
22;
602:
17,
18;
603:
I;
604:
18;
613:
5;
618:
19;
640:
18;
642:
2;
655:
22;
673:
11;
675:
18;
677.1;
680:
18,
19,20;
685:­
I'

surface
477:
20;
47922;
491:
18.
l&
492:
1.
5
587:
15,21;
588:
17;
589:
3;
surge388:
14;
616:
15
590115;
591~
12;
592~
5,
17;
surprise
5~
4~
10
594:
7;
596:
12,13;
599:
7;
603:
11;
605:
2;
606:
9;
surprised
47?:
10
608:
4;
609:
5,9,
13,
18,
19;
surprises
461:
19
611:
15,17;
612:
6,
13;
survey
371:
22;
375:
20,
6l3:
8
6152:
9
9
22.614:
16.

6i;:
l4:
20;
61d:
3,
~
380:
9
survived
.432:
17
657:
17
suggestions
456:
5;
508:
ll;
515:
7;
535:
lO;
537:
17;
576:
7;
606:
1;
647:
7
suggests
323:/
t;
361:
6;
~
81:
13;
397:
13;
441:
11,
22
18;
661:
8,
12;
662:
15;
~
Swamp
568:
8;
SW
12;
suit
577:
4
~
669:
2;
670:
1;
673:
12;
sum
346:
20;
406:
21
676:
7
1
6~
0:
5,6,
17;
028:
19:
I
629:
12,
lS
6;
620:
7,
13,21;
621:
16,
352:
3:
17;
622:
3;
623:
4,
18,21;
suspect
351:
3;
523:
ll
624:
3;
628:
14.
15,
16,
20;
i
629:
17,22;
633:
s;
636:
13:
suspects
311:
22;
S12:
3;
643:
8;
646:
13;
647:
13;
1
528:
9
649:
19;
6SO:
14;
651:
5,9,
~
sustainable
554:
I
5,
16
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314:
7;
323:
9;
335:
14;
339:
20;
343:
9;
369:
17;
373:
5;
375:
17;
377:
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379:
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380:
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387:
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391:
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409:
6;
413:
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419:
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421:
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4;
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13;
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21;
484:
l;
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11;
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19;
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17;
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12;
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563:
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479:
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602:
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570:
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680:
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683:
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368:
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MEETING
HOLIDAY
INN
EXPRESS
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19;
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602:
9
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317:
6;
322:
lS;
328:
5;
337:
17;
338:
18;
350:
20;
351:
5;
352:
9,12;
353:
B;
358:
14;
362:
5,8;
363:
22;
386:
4;
391:
5;
397:
17;
412:
21;
413:
1,
1;
414:
2,5;
480:
15;
502:
17,
18;
507:
3;
522:
20;
526:
ll;
58917;
637:
22;
656:
ll;
659:
17;
664:
s;
675122;
680:
20
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351:
20,22;
371:
15;
389:
5;
399:
17;
424:
5;
435:
ll;
44212;
496:
6;
544:
14;
672:
9
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614:
17
thorough
474:
14
thou
523:
6
though
319:
22;
330:
7;
335:
9;
376:
ll;
387:
ll;
389:
11;
408:
15;
416:
1;
420:
15;
430:
15;
435:
10;
448:
9;
450:
21;
456:
13;
458:
16;
464122;
467:
17;
482:
21;
49O:
l;
495:
12;
525:
4;
530:
16;
55O:
lO;
610:
13;
612:
16;
630:
16;
644:
19;
647:
1;
655:
1;
681:
7
thought
317:
19;
323:
9;
324:
13;
325:
17;
337:
15,
19;
339:
lO;
360:
20;
366:
14;
367:
14;
369:
21;
370:
13,14,
16;
371:
9;
379:
20;
404:
15;
4
14:
4;
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433:
22;
438:
17,22;
439:
l;
443:
13;
451:
5,7,8,
16;
462:
7;
469:
19;
478:
22;
497:
22;
506:
19;
51O:
l;
525113;
539:
2;
542:
7,
12;
546:
9,12,
13;
578:
19;
614:
16;
627:
4;
647:
21;
682:
5
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326:
ll
thoughts
314:
20;
326:
14;
414:
19;
440:
11;
537:
22;
603:
1,3,4;
627:
18;
649:
3
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367:
21;
601:
5
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528:
5
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338:
4;
341:
22;
415:
22;
478:
20;
484:
16;
501:
3
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474:
14;
484:
12;
608:
6
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344:
ll;
354:
2;
359:
13;
380:
11;
399:
s;
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lo;
402:
19;
406:
3;
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11:
7,22;
422:
ll;
425:
10;
443:
22;
446:
13;
468:
16;
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474:
9;
484:
1;
496:
19;
502:
6;
534~
2;
537:
15;
542:
4;
548:
19;
549:
2;
556:
19;
590:
2;
593:
lO;
597:
6;
616.3;
643:
13;
652:
lO;
655:
4;
663:
9,
18;
685:
18
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425:
6
threshold
505%
8
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547:
4;
623:
7
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624:
9
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397:
19
throw
339:
6;
455:
6;
498:
11;
533:
12;
534:
6;
607:
22;
627:
19;
637:
4;

648:
5
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653:
2
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421:
5;
482:
4;
546:
22
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339:
7
throws
382:
15
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587:
14;
622:
18
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684:
lO
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351:
17;
414:
17;
487:
2;
649:
1
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395:
12;
484:
10;
511:
4
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337:
17;
338:
ll;
352:
ll
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580:
16
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311:
6
tighten
434:
11
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304:
12;
350:
19,
20;
392:
16,17;
418:
14;
446:
ll;
453:
6,7;
454:
5,7;
473:
17;
475:
11;
480:
19;
501:
lO;
503:
22;
504:
4;
505:
14;
545:
8,20;
546:
12;
548:
6;
620:
5
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553:
16
times
311:
4;
358:
9;
380:
11;
396:
19;
422:
11;
452:
12;
460:
12;
525:
18,
19;
533:
4;
639:
16;
648:
21;
649:
9
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306:
lO;
307:
22;
395:
3,4;
410:
13,
19;
424:
5,12
tiny
397:
2
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582:
11,11;
680:
2,9
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580:
16
title
423:
5;
522:
5;
603:
16
today
306:
6,10,
14,18;
308:
l;
34517;
355:
22;
419:
22;
427:
19;
429:
13;
455:
13,21;
457%
9;
509:
2;
511:
4;
518:
10,13;
529:
ll;
531:
14;
551:
ll;
566:
lO;
573:
21,22;
57712;
582:
12;
586:
s;
594:
18;
656:
21;
657:
3;
669:
ll;
670:
4
told
408:
19;
410:
4;
490:
13;
506:
13;
516:
l;

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576122
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304:
4;
506:
10,
11;
539:
11;
545:
7;
606:
lS;

607:
6
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663:
19
tomorrow
321:
lO;
550:
20;
644:
14;
683:
5,16;
685:
4,4,9;
686:
3
ton
618:
12
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685:
3
tons
453:
lS;
48O:
l;
638:
5;
656:
3
took
327:
18;
356:
12;
443:
12;
495:
5;
515:
9;
528:
9,
15;
52917,
12;
621:
9;
626:
14;
640:
11,14;
659:
4;
677:
15
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336:
12;
337:
4,4,6,6,
12;
360:
5,15;
470:
4;
547122;
615:
7;
648:
7
tools
336:
11,
12,15;
337:
12;
339:
3;
356:
6;
360:
5;
470:
4;
508:
1
top
360:
14;
364:
lS;
366:
l;
381:
lO;
411:
20;
425:
4;
428:
21;
433:
17;
479:
2,
21;
487:
ll;
559:
12;
611:
12;
653:
9
topic
348:
lo;
394:
5;
443:
12;
448:
8;
473:
21;
501:
9
topics
306:
9;
374:
5;
472:
19;
675:
lO
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622:
3
total
312:
7;
407:
3,18,22;
408:
8,9;
410:
8;
463:
14;
493:
9;
554:
6;
605:
10,15,
15;
607:
1
totally
364:
12;
424:
2;
433:
21;
457:
6;
534:
s;
546:
16;
561:
4;
62O:
lO;
621:
15
touch
313:
16;
392:
21;
456:
16
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680:
14
touches
328:
22;
392:
19
touchy
581:
7
tough
586:
20;
587:
4,11;
633:
l;
638:
22;
674:
lO
169:
21;
493:
l;
501:
6;
519:
15;
551:
14;
555:
21;
556:
ll;
571:
14;
574:
11;
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431:
6
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575:
3;
609:
2;
618:
19;
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329
1
651:
s;
666:
14,
17;
683:
5,
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3;
391:
lS;
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487:
7:
528:
2
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580:
12;
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.,
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319:
7;
351:
17;
I
625:
20
352:
6;
380:
17;
408:
15;
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591:
7
414:
4,17;
436:
15;
447:
2;
tower
491:
12
20;
657:
1
turned
4~
14.
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5
6
tribes
310:
9,
13;
314:
8;
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385:
3,8,
15,
17
turns
6292
i
451:
17;
484:
10;
507:
3,22;
1
town
376:
3;
590:
11,
14
1
Toxic
579:
21;
661:
14
toxins
553:
22
track
307:
22;
445:
21;
446:
2;
486:
7;
493:
17;
618%;
628:
ll;
677:
7,9
tracked
316:
20
tracking
314:
7;
316:
6,
10;
317:
4
tracks
573:
20;
577:
14
trade603:
21;
615:
11
tradeoffs
443:
4;
491:
13
traditional
475%;
514:
14
tragic
561:
22;
562:
l
train
377:
12
tricks
608:
15
tried
334:
ll;
347:
7;

trivial
326:
6
440:
14;
442:
22;
445:
9;

trolley
685:
3,
17
448:
ll;
477:
lii;
483:
3;
683:
7
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475:
16
triggered
547:
18
triggers
471:
6;
546:
22;

547:
12,
13
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575:
15
trip
383:
19
triple
422:
16
troops
458:
12
trouble
353:
7;
501:
6;
588:
21;
638:
17
troublesome
376:
16
trough
397:
6
trucks
577:
5
true
330:
17;
3'
15:
17;
450:
15;
454:
9;
491:
10;
558:
12;
600:
12;
6097;
training
632:
3
transaction
511:
2;
588:
13,
16;
658:
6,8
transactional
647:
12,

12;
658:
7
transactions
660:
2
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302%

transfer
402:
18;
408:
15;
461:
s;
468:
21
transferred
640:
12,
13
transferring
460:
13
transfers
541:
22
translate
585:
3
transparency
313:
ll;
389:
22;
390:
1,6;
444:
22;
445:
12,21;
488:
3
transparent
446:
7;
476:
17,21;
480:
7­

transportation
643:
20
traps
659:
19
travel
514:
5;
684:
lO
travelers
683:
3
traveling
562:
7
treat
425:
21.495:
15.
629:
5;
682:
1;
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treated
320:
9;
321:
18;
499:
l;
554:
12;
652:
20,21
treaties
31O:
lO
treating
499:
7
treatment
487:
18;
498:
17;
499:
5,
16;
500:
2;
542:
18;
648:
14;
681:
19
tremendous
373:
19;
376:
16;
394:
lO;
461:
4;
483:
19;
530:
19;
540:
3;
542:
lZ;
659:
5
trends
330:
7;
429:
19;
603:
ll
trepidation
351:
7
triad
393:
9
triage
392:
l;
421:
5,9
triaging
389:
7
trial
475:
8,8
tribal
310:
7,9;
3856;
547:
17
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303:
18;
656:
l&
19,
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682:
7
truly
538:
5;
561:
ll
trust
310:
12;
407
I,
2;
456:
18
trusted
637:
20
trustees
357:
22
truth
562:
12;
673­
7
try
309:
13;
332:
13;
343:
18;
348:
5;
354:
2;
359:
7;
367:
3;
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398:
14;
402:
22;
422:
17;
426:
19,22;
446:
5,
16;
472:
lO;
486:
4;
496:
16;
505:
5;
507:
12;
526:
9;
534:
20;
535:
1,
14;
537:
ll;
547:
18;
553:
lS;
564:
16;
591:
17;
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598:
G:
601:
14;
645:
7;
648:/
i;
65l:
10;
662:
19;
666:
8;
678:
18;
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324:
14;
325%;
34716;
350:
16;
363:
9;
371:
6;
373:
2;
380:
13;
401:
12;
442:
11;
452:
14;
453:
l;
459:
2;
471:
lO;
491:
12;
493:
4,5;
507:
17;
jll:
13;
515:
1/
1;
5lh:
S;
533:
2;
535:
16;
548:
lO;
56l:
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lj.
584:
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586:
15:
587:
6;
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91:
9,
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612:
8;
622:
18;
638:
16;
659:
16;
666:
9
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684:
9.9
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583:
21;
589:
17;
592:
ll
Tulsa
624:
13
turn
307:
4;
453:
6;
473:
2;
47715;
49212;
533:
10;
555:
19;
586:
2;
587
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595:
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642:
h;
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495:
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4:
19;
306:
1,
12;
309:
2;
311:
16;
320:
17;
341:
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346:
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348:
l;
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364:
15;
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37O:
ll;
394:
5;`
103:
2;
411:
11,21;
414:
12,20;
424:
3,425:
9;
443:
22;
458:
20;
463:
21;
46X:
14;
474:
9;
481:
14;
483:
22;
488:
l;
492:
7;
494:
7;
49621;
506:
6;
509:
15.20;
522:
16;
534.10;
538:
ll;
543:
2;
545:
5;
547:
10,
14;
549:
2;
556:
22;
570:
15.
17:
575:
13.
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576:
ll;
580:
22;
588:
5;
590:
2;
592:
2.
16.
19;
600:
7;
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4;
606:
J;
613:
2;
620:
5,
17;
621:
4;
628:
15,
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654:
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664:
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669:
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675:
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682:
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507:
lh
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323:
21;
348:
2;
362:
18;
474:
11;
510:
13;
512:
3;
517:
3;
536:
ll;
453:
lO;
466:
l
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500:
9;
518:
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519:
13;
526:
10,
13;
549:
20;
554:
14;
568:
12;
610:
22;
644:
1;
671:
21;
679:
9
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541:
2
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329:
11;
651:
6;
681:
9,
10
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585:
B
underpinning
675:
19
underpinnings
675:
14
underscore
593:
22;
597:
9;
598:
10
underscored
595:
I
1
understaffed
681:
9,
lo
understands
339:
20
understood
335:
18;
405:
20;
406:
1;
491:
13;
603:
7
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477:
16
5.48:
I,
12;
590:
17,
18;
608:
16:
6,4:
10;
665:(
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types
S2S:
18:
S30:
7;
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31:
1;
335:
17;
383:
18;
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23:
18,,~
26.16;
453:
10,
15;
455:
1;
507:
5,12;
51
1:
16;
513:
H;
515:
10,20,
21;
522:
14;
523:
16;
536:
5;
547­
22;
573:/
l;
598:
21;
663:
10;
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511:
19
typically
512:
14;
5S6:
4;
605:
6
tyrant
561
16
undertakes
486:
B
undo
503:
lB
uneasy
419:
ll
unemployment
673:
19
unexploded
479:
22
unfair
333:
2;
61
l:
4
unfettered
397:
I
1
unfortunate
555:
14
unfortunately
383:
7;
558:
12
unfunded
315:
4
unholy
624:
20
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312:
22;
314:
4;
315:
11;
321:
13,21;
322:
18;
328:
1;
341:
6;
361:
22;
362:
6,20;
363:
5;
37O:
B;
371:
B;
374:
7;

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i:
Ih,
18;
349:
3
ulterior
648:
6.9
ultimate
496~
5;
629:,
4
ultimately
344.16;
568:
4
umbrella
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7;
S44:
14;
553:
19
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555:
15,
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S86:
4
21
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SS5:
1
S
unaware
467:
17
unburden
S6o:
S
uncertainties
57216
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591:
17
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lB;
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498:
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499:
9
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500:
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501:
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50;:
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339:
3;
361:
14;
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561:
17
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331:
lB;
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379:
15;
384:
lS;
390:
3,9;
3
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422:
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451:
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union
519:
22
51O:
lB;
511.9;
514:
20;
32s:
1
1:
ss7.7;
347:
5;
475:
19,
19;
486:
13;
507:
7;
3
354
9,
17,
355:
1,
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t;
s`
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j,
1
1
UfliqUe
347.1
1;
516:
1
516:
11,
14,
17;
519:
16;
1,
5Sl:
S;
541:
21;
542:
1,
12;
3
6,
36
1
.
A;
so.~
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i;
365:
15,
13;
565:
21;
609:
9
524:
19;
525:
2;
527:
4,
I?,
i
548:
1;
568:
19;
569:
15;
3
19;
SX~
i:%
1;
S90:
10;
4OO:
S;
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1:
654:
17;
l&
528:
14,
15;
529:
7,
IX;
,
572:
3;
589:
1;
599:
22;
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53O:
Z;
534:
7;
535:
h,
18,
31
610:
11;
615:
2;
624:
9,9;
3'
73:
9,
12;
374:
I;
375:
17;

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371
twice
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375:
11;
381:
20;
382:
8,11,
12;
387:
15,
19;
388:
6,
13;
391:
13;~~
01:
1?;
103:~
0~
'
404:
2,6;
405:
19;
406:
16;
326:
3;
327:
lB;
328:
4,
18;
529:
l;
331:
22;
333:
l;
336:
19,22,22;
337:
9;
338:
7,22;
339~
8:
340:
1,
!
0;
341:
1;
342:
1,
17;
143:
1,
16,21;
345:
4,7,`);
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46:
17.
19;
347:
21;
348:
9;
)
49:
12;
350:
7;
351:
4;
$
53:
6;
354:
B;
355:
17;
157:
15;
359:
13,15,
19,22;
;
60:
2,8,11,13;
361:
15;
563:
3;
370:
22;
372:
l
I;
i?
6:
20;
378:
2,
16;
380:
4;
582:
15;
S84:
13,
18;
i85:
13.21;
389:
21;
i94:
14,
18,21,22;
395:
12;
;
97:
2,2,2,4,
12,
15,
17,
!
l;
398:
13;
401:
10,18;
i02:
17;
403:
16,20;
405:
6;
i10:
11;
412:
7;
413:
3,
19;
i15:
11;
416:
12,
14;
418:
4;
i
19:
3,
16;
420:
4,
16;
.25:
4;
426:
B;
.428:
12;
32:
1;
433:
12;
436:
6;
40:
21,
22:
646~
5,
20;
47:
14;
448:
15;.
449:
14;
50:
3,
18;
458:
7,
12;
uphill
592:
l
upon
317:
1;
447:
14,15;
484:
2;
490:
20;
643:
12;
650:
6
upper
519:
22
uproar
652:
1
I
ups
328:
9;
338:
6;
649:
2;
666110;
667:
19;
671:
B
upset
464:
4;
534:
2;
626:
l
upsetting
535:
2
urban
550:
9;
624:
7;
626:
2
urge
422:
4;
537:
14;
602:
6;
603:
3
Urgent
392:
3
usable
482:
16
use
316:
7;
323:
7;
336:
20;
359:
16;
369:
19;
373:
11;
381:
22;
409:
7;
421:
20;
424:
22;
426:
13;
440:
13;
446:
lO;
454:
1,4;
460:
19;
461:
2,
5;
471:
19;
474:
19;
487:
15;
490:
3;
492:
3;
505:
1,6;
512:
14;
528:
1;
535:
16;
53617;
538:
13;
t
407:
7;
408:
1,22;
,409:
12;
6
/
20;
410:
2;
dll:
l;
432:
B;
:
u
437:
1.
17.22;
438~
4~
22;
u
439:
10,
15.
19,22;
442:
4,
6
6,8,9;
443:
20;
444:
16,
18;
u
152:
11,20;
457:
2;
460:
5;
463:
6.9,
10,
17,
20;
u
465:
19,21;
466:
2,4,6;
u
468:
7;
473:
21;
474:
2,4;
3
477:
3;
485:
4;
488:
9,
18;
V
489:
3;
.497:
12,
14,
17;
3
505:
5;
506:
19;
509:
15;
3
535:
1s,
20,21;
536:
1,3;
460:
13;
461:
7,20;
462:
10;
547:
21;
548:
3;
570:
14,15;
4
537:
10,
11.13;
545:
lO;
463:
4;
464:
14,22:
467:
1;
571:
9,
14;
58O:
ll;
582:
22;
5
546:
8,
11,
15;
547:
2,3,
13,
468:
l;
474:
8,21,22;
586:
22;
587:
1,2;
588:
14;
V
16;
5797;
608.14;
638:
16;
I
477:
7,17;
483:
21;
484:
18;
601:
11;
614:
19,
19;
615:
3;
V
08323;
684:
17
625:
13;
675:
3;
679:
2;
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unItled
i173:
13
1
""":
2";
l189:
I?,
20;
658:
16;
662:
16;
680:
16
United
52614;
569:
20
units
412:
10,11,13,13;
486:
13;
492:
5;
493:
15;
496:
6;
654:
4,6,
12;
655:
2;
662:
14,20;
663:
5,6,
13;
681:
17
universal
350:
14
universe
3128
University
303:
2;
583:
Zl;
589:
17;
591:
l
unless
309:
lO;
398:
22;
433:
2;
438:
19;
447:
17;
559:
13;
662:
5
unlike
423:
7
unlikely
378:
13
unlined
475:
5
unload
668:
lo
Unmet
340:
12;
458:
21;
459:
5;
462:
9,
12
unpopular
364:
12;
131:
22;
636:
7,8
unreasonable
640:
7
unusual
465:
5;
470:
16;
646:
12
Up
307:
18;
308:
6;
311:
22;
313:
13;
316:
2;
317:
12,
15;
318:
21;
319:
3,
5.8;
324:
I;
18;
537:
12,14;
538:
3,
12,
19;
541:
4,5,20;
542:
3,
19.
545:
21;
546:
21;
548:
ll;
550:
3,17;
551:
3,6,20;
555:
Z;
560:
13,
16,
17;
561:
13;
564:
4;
568:
1,2,5;
569:
4,
18;
570:
9;
573:
21;
574:
ll;
575:
19;
578:
15;
581:
ll;
583:
17;
588:
3;
589:
lB;
594:
19;
595:
2,10;
597:
13;
600:
16;
602:
19;
606:
2,8,
10:
612:
8,
14;
615:
21;
621:
B;
623:
2,20;
624:
B:
626:
14;
628:
4;
(,:
30:
6;
631:
8,16,22;
636:
21;
637:
17;
638:
9;
642:
13,
19;
644:
19;
645:
8;
646:
10;
647:
1;
649:
1,
17;
650:
7,
17;
651:
13,
14;
653:
15;
654:
2,2,3,3,4;
656:
12,21;
658:
16,19;
659:
9,18;
660:
21;
662:
2,
7,9,
15,22;
663:
7,8;
664:
5,6,8,
14;
665:
2,5,9,
9;
666:
3,7;
669:
lO;
671:
4;
673:
9;
674:
6,12;
675:
4,5;
676:
14,16;
677:
20;
678:
13,
15;
680:
7;
681:
11,
14;
683:
21;
685:
2,8
upgrade
523:
1
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\
I
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625:
6,7;
633:
5,6;
6342;
636:
1;
639:
13;
658:
14;
663~
4;
679:
2
USSfUl371:
lO;
373:
18;
413:
18;
414:
6;
429:
15;
452:
4;
468:
18;
509:
4;
512:
5;
523:
22;
543:
15;
612:
15,21;
613:
21;
628:
11
using
360:
5;
369:
12;
371:
15;
419:
12;
420:
6;
446:
B;
5OO:
l;
517:
16;
543:
19;
556:
22;
570:
11,
13;
614:
lB;
615:
6;
634:
5;
648:
7;
663:
20;
672:
5
usual
307:
7;
31122;
312:
3;
528:
9;
659:
22
usually
4oO:
lB;
4Ol:
B;
173:
7;
631:
13;
642:
19
UT
303:
4
Utah
303:
3;
672:
6
utilize
435:
12
utilizing
6094
Utky
305:
B;
572:
20,21;
573:
1;
599:
11;
604:
9;
512:
1;
619:
11;
621:
9;
;
23:
3;
635:
14
V
vacuum
312:
21;
507:
lB
dale
592:
13
ralid
598:
18,19
ilalley
528:
4;
652:
3,11,
14,
19;
653:
lO
raluable
352:
7;
598:
18,
.9;
668:
16;
669:
11
rah.
Je
340:
15;
351:
2,3;
i89:
lB;
498:
6;
530:
9;
;
93:
9;
617:
11,13,22;
;
18:
4,7,8,
12;
640:
13;
;
69:
6
ralued
567:
18
lalues
617:
7;
630:
4,5;
;
52:
21;
653:
1
vane
340:
7
lariation
518:
4
`
ariety
361:
13;
378:
4;
88715;
394:
22;
594:
16
,
arious
308:
15,
18;
14:
2;
316:
2,3;
329:
20;
36:
15;
423:
21;
458:
17;
73:
15;
540:
12,16;
63:
20;
620:
12
arnish
562:
12
ast
340:
12;
507:
5;
533:
6
e
307:
12;
313:
19;
314:
5;
15:
22;
316:
12;
317:
11;
22:
15,19,20;
323:
1,11;
24:
ll;
326:
B;
327%;
30:
5,
13;
333:
8,
12;
37:
B;
342:
13;
349:
12;
54:
6;
355:
7;
356:
17,
18;
59:
3;
361:
lO;
364:
13;
65:
B;
368:
lB;
372:
19;
NEW
BEDFORD,
MA
June
l&
2003
NACEFT
SUPERFUND
SUBCOMMITTEE
MEETING
HOLIDAY
INN
EXPRESS
377:
12;
380:
19;
382:
20,
20;
383:
16,
17,17;
384:
16;
386:
4;
391:
ll;
3945;
395:
6;
397:
6;
398:
5,7;
400:
7;
404:
s;
406:
6;
415:
13;
422:
4,19;
42812,
8;
429:
14;
430:
17;
431:
3,
3;
432:
15;
434:
11;
435:
13;
440:
12,
14,14;
441:
17;
442:
21,22;
444:
14,21;
446:
21;
447:
22;
448:
12,
21;
450:
3,21;
451:
7;
452:
9,12,13;
453:
13;
455:
9,
10,
11,12;
456:
6,
22;
457:
8,9;
460:
12,14;
462:
6;
469:
12,
15;
47017,
19;
471:
4,
15;
472:
12,
19;
478:
18,20;
482:
l;
483:
ll;
484:
17;
486:
15;
487:
10,
18;
488:
17;
493:
19;
497:
7;
501:
15;
503:
14;
504:
7,9,
10,
ll;
510:
1,21;
514:
8;
524:
21;
525:
6,16;
526:
6;
528:
22;
529:
10;
534:
12;
537:
5,6,
17;
538:
6;
539:
13;
540:
14;
541:
13;
542:
1,2;
543:
3,12,16;
547:
10,14;
549:
11,17,18;
55O:
lO;
553:
16;
556:
ll;
557:
7;
558:
22;
561:
8,17,
18;
562:
16;
563:
1,3;
564:
15;
565:
6;
56614;
570:
16,21;
571:
4;
572~
7,
16;
579:
14,
16,20;
580:
2;
581:
17;
584:
14;
585:
6,
17,
17;
588:
12;
590:
1,2,4,5,
21;
591:
20;
592:
lO;
593:
4;
59517;
597:
2;
598:
10,15,
20,22;
601:
22;
602:
18;
603:
1;
605:
14,22;
610:
1,
22;
615:
7;
616:
20,21;
619:
7;
622:
22;
623:
6,18;
627:
20,22;
629:
3,21;
630:
2,5;
634:
21;
635:
3,
21;
640:
18,18;
645:
17;
649:
8,15;
651:
10;
655:
15;
658:
2;
664:
9,15;
667:
3,
22;
669:
21,22;
674:
7,14;
676:
7;
678:
19;
680:
14
vegetables
631:
l
vegetarian
387:
6
vehemently
342:
2
vendor
622:
9
verbally
307:
s
Verde625:
21;
639:
11
Verdian
625:
22,22;
639:
21
verify
439:
19
Veronica
305:
9;
556:
l;
586:
16;
589:
17,21;
596:
15;
635:
7;
636:
4;
645:
17,22;
647:
7;
655:
11,
15;
679:
lS
version
327:
19
versions
430:
7
versus
354:
14;
512:
16;
624:
3
via
373:
3
vice
586:
14
470:
13;
498:
13;
520:
9,
11;
Vicky
315:
19;
318:
18;
319:
20;
320:
9;
321:
14;
323:
11;
324:
17;
333:
10;
339:
9;
356:
lO;
376:
9;
389:
6;
390:
22;
395:
1;
412:
16;
434:
14;
437:
22;
47715;
489:
lO;
497:
5;
522:
3;
535:
15;
541:
ll;
601:
21;
604:
16;
606:
5,6;
680:
6;
682:
14;
685:
6,14
Victoria
304:
5
victory
686:
3
video
491:
6
UieW
308:
17;
324:
20;
332:
16;
336:
lO;
359:
8;
375:
5;
391:
19;
466:
13;
warning
593:
1;
645:
18
Warren
471:
13
Washington
316:
l;
444:
22;
482:
20,22;
510:
8;
548:
16;
549:
15;
652:
4;
666:
2
wasn
317:
19;
325:
5;
329:
5;
346:
7;
368:
6;
37712;
382:
4,5;
388:
lS;
408:
21;
434:
18;
442:
21;
445:
2,7;
474:
13;
576:
12;
589:
19;
624:
lO;
637:
14;
684:
20
Waste
303:
5;
350:
14;
420:
17;
430:
22;
431:
5;
434:/
I,
10;
435:
2;
44O:
lO;
449:
5;
453:
18,
20;
456:
s;
457:
6;
524:
17;
556:
lS;

521:
7;
58015;
670:
12
viewed
324:
18
views
322:
13;
329:
19;
353:
22;
430:
19,20;
470:
14;
520:
5,
11
Village
579:
22;
642:
ll
virtually
332:
6;
615:
9
visibility
502:
5
visibly
501:
20
vision
677:
2
visit
663:
5
visiting
480:
l
vital
340:
7;
476:
10
vitamin
63
1:
1
voice
557:
11,
12;
561:
4
voiced
376:
ll;
419:
22
voluntarily
543:
21
volunteered
434:
19
volunteers
551:
12
vote
560:
6;
561:
3
votes
320:
16
voting
593:
17;
613:
15
W
WA
303:
7;
304:
4;
305:
3
wait
325:
7;
391:
lO;
485:
20;
493:
7;
498:
20;
576:
l;
616:
s;
653:
16;
674:
6;
683:
l
waited
5689
waiting
392:
12,12;
400:
2;
419:
4;
493:
s;
609:
18,19
waiting­
type
479:
6
walk
338:
11;
356:
8
walking
386:
19;
662:
13
walks
599:
5
wall
580:
9;
624:
12
Wampanoag
656:
18
wants
339:
13;
467:
22;
520:
8;
567:
5;
617:
19;
640:
8
War
652:
5;
676:
17
590:
2;
605:
8,9;
608:
5;
564:
1,7;
569:
ll;
586:
15;

609:
lS;
633:
13;
671:
7
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427:
6;
662:
3
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454:
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561:
5,7;
636:
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637:
21
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333:
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344:
17;
354:
10,
13,17;
355:
2,11;
361:
4;
397:
6;
425:
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459:
l;
477:
20,20;
490:
15;
491:
16;
495:
13,
17,19;
498:
11,16;
499:
1,
14;
536:
19;
549:
21;
568:
9,11,
13;
578:
11,14;
599:
18,20;
629:
7;
648:
14,15;
664:
3,
11;
668:
7
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520:
3
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512:
17;
516:
9;
521:
22;
539:
22;
543:
18;
544:
4;
603:
12;
664:
ll
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523:
ll
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522:
6;
535:
16;
536:
7,
11,
13;
537:
8
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548:
17
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459:
7;
510:
22
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313:
19;
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324:
17;
325:
17;
327:
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331:
14;
332:
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335:
2;
338:
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349:
6,
18;
350:
17;
352:
9;
353:
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354:
19;
359:
21;
367:
3;
372:
15;
375:
8;
377122;
378:
14;
383:
5;
385:
14;
396:
2,7;
398:
3;
408:
16;
412:
11,19,
21;
414:
2;
414:
6;
415:
7,
21;
418:
22;
419:
7;
423:
10;
430:
4;
433:
l;
436:
9;
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22;
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546:
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551:
16;
555:
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557112;
562:
22;
56713;
577:
3;
585:
22;
588:
15;
596:
10,
11;
605:
11;
606:
15;
610:
10,11;
611:
7;
617:
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624:
12;
625:
7;
626:
17;
628:
5;
632:
17,
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637:
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646:
16;
647:
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652:
20;
654~
8;
657:
14;
659:
lS;
661:
10;
662:
1;
667:
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668:
12;
670:
12,
14,2i;
671:
4;
674:
15;
676:
10;
677:
2;
678:
19;
681:
22;
685:
22
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329:
22;
334:
11;
337:
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342:
10;
345:
lS;
352:
12;
371:
lO;
375:
14;
397:
17;
418:
15;
442:
19;
447:
20;
470:
3;
475:
8;
480:
22;
484:
6;
508:
15;
509:
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516:
12;
521:
21;
528:
6;
537:
19;
589:
13;
611:
20;
612:
12;
614:
2;
618:
12;
645:
13;
651:
16;
670:
5;
682:
10
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465:
12
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34113
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470:
2
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348:
21;
458:
8,9
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340:
19;
470:
5
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570:
15
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334:
3;
338:
15;
364:
5;
366:
15
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636:
22
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532:
15
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675:
13
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359:
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684:
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379:
22;
451:
9;
494118;
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684:
11,18
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370:
21;
518:
19;
575:
13;
593:
18;
612:
2
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338:
13;
347:
15;
639:
7
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320:
19
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481:
15,18
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55
1:
15
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332:
9
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taken
428:
18
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423:
4
wells
491:
19;
591:
5
weren
370:
18;
638:
19;
679:
10
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385%;
548:
17
whack
323:
5;
506:
3
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588:
7
wheel
369:
20;
370:
4
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600:
20
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676:
2,4
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569:
16
449:
9,
11;
450:
4,
13,
lS;
454:
17;
459:
13,
19;
460:
9;
474:
2,7;
480:
2,3;
483:
ll;
484:
4,7,9,19;
489:
22;
494:
6,
11;
495:
ll;
499:
3;
500:
12;
501:
17;
503:
8;
504:
4;
505:
2,
5;
509:
9;
510:
3;
ill:
3,
17,19;

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537:
10
516:
13;
521:
3,20;
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16;
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530:
17;
532:
16;
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16;
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363:
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595:
15
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445:
17
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304:
13;
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319:
19;
384:
20;
47513;
554:
12;
569:
lO;
573:
19;
574:
l;
586:
21;
625:
4;
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10;
630:
15,
18;
633:
20;
634:
10,
13,20;
637:
1;
678:
9
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342:
12.21;
441:
8
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319:
6,8;
340:
11,
21;
347:
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349:
20;
353:
5:
354:
5,7;
355:
3;
359:
19,
22;
360:
13;
365:
8;
380:
6;
384:
6;
387:
7;
4024;
403:
18;
413:
5;
426:
10;
432:
2;
439:
17;
440:
18;
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4;
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11;
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22;
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15;
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l;
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13,
15;
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12;
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3;
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s;
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3,7;
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9.
14;
553:
5,
19;
554:
2;
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585~
7;
587:
14;
589:
2;
598:
11;
608:
13;
617:
21;
622:
17;
628:
18;
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22;
668:
15;
671:
11;
675:
14
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529:
7
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676:
12
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572:
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361:
13;
387:
5;
453:
lO;
510:
20;
516:
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536:
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491:
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304:
14;
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20
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390:
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13.
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360:
22;
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16;
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16
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657:
4
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303:
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13,
19;
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559:
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20,
22;
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4,
15;
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2;
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17;
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555:
15;
55621;
559:
21;
582:
l;
583:
7,7;
594:
5;
598:
17;
622:
1;
623:
1;
625:
3;
638:
13;
648:
1;
652:
11;
654:
10;
672:
16;
682:
4
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345:
4,8;
411:
8;
452%;
525:
2;
54612;
549:
22;
550:
6;
551:
13;
552:
lS;
589:
l;
594:
s;
607:
7;
620:
2;
634:
ll;
642:
10,20;
65X:
14;
667:
22;
668:
13;
671:
lO;
674:
14;
678:
12;
684:
1,18
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324:
13;
343:
7;
351:
13,20,20,20;
352:
l;
406:
6;
470:
20;
579:
16,
18,
20;
580:
2;
585:
18;
622:
2;
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535:
15
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535:
17
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328:
9;
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22;
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18;
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8;
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11;
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20;
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334:
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585:
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307:
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327:
18;
581:
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603:
5
408:
lO;
426:
2;
429:
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19;
446:
3;
456:
7,
12;

462:
14;
464:
13;
479:
5;

482:
20,21;
490:
16;
558:
21;
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19;
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5;
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1;
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16;
656:
15;
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X;
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15;
670:
5;
681:
8
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17,19;
494:
7,9,16,

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315:
21;
20;
495:
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507:
19;
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5,

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623:
6
318:
17;
319:
21;
320:
22;
13;
526:
5;
528:
13;
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7;

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3:
12
322:
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325:
2,
18;
327:
15;
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19;
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21;
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371:
13;
466:
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328:
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333:
16;
366:
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17;
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9:
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21;
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5;
548:
19,20;
555:
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451:
18;
382:
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385:
5;
410:
19;
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9,
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559:
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564:
2,

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464:
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574:
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613:
2;
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21;
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4;
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15;
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19;
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4
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22;
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6;
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10;
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1;
438:
10;
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592:
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18;
484:
22;
490:
15:
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311:
18;
316:
8;
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320:
3;
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4;
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5,6;
597:
6;
600:
22;

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323:
6,
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22;
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381:
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382:
16;
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16;

389:
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394:
5;
395:
7;
614:
14,18;
616:
2;
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311:
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16;
380:
17,
19;
414:
18;
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4;
436:
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18;
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18;
636:
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21;
387:
20;
392:
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12,
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14;
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13;
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17;
461:
21;
481:
3;
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586:
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7;
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14,15;
674:
6;
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332:
21;
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359:
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483:
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475:
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309:
19;
546:
16;
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324:
14;
405:
5;
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18;
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20;
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575:
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5
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17;
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317:
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362:
22;
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308:
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16;
458:
1;
462:
10;
469:
19;

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563:
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586:
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4;
620:
14;
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486:
19;
487:
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621:
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502:
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511:
11;
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356:
12;
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603:
13;
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2,
19;
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1,
4;
488:
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484:
12;
544:
18;

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11;
617:
8;
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22;
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650:
14;
651:
8;
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10:
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13;
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359:
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20;
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464:
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519:
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11;
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516:
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316:
17;
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332:
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16
548:
21;
564:
l;;
56&,
z
507:
21
480.2.
~
48'­
2;
48­
5:
15;
12;
6OS:
l');
609:
15;
485:
18,
,407:
1.
502:
9;
woven
S28:
8;
%
I
:
1;
628:
22;
6S1:
18;
649:
16;
zero
346:
20;
.406:
21
5059.
lS:
516:
11;
518:
15;
677:
2
I'
652:
12;
661:
19;
664:
2;
zone
368:
11
525.9;
5S
1:
22,517:
3:
WOW
637:
22
672:
3
I
zoning
581:
2
I
­____

For
The
Record,
Inc.
­­
(
301)
870­
8025
Min­
U­
Script@
(
39)
without
­
zoning
wrap
501:
10
wrapped
487:
4;
497:
1;
639:
4
wrapping
683:
21
WRDA
333:
17;
336:
20;
460:
14;
526:
13;
527:
8;
529:
21
wreck
377:
13
wrenching
679:
17
years
332:
13;
341:
l;

357:
20;
359:
5;
369:
ll;

371:
14;
391:
8,9,
12,12,

15;
400:
2,9,9;
405:
2;
Lawyer's
Notes
