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Digest
Number
1297
There
are
10
messages
in
this
issue.

Topics
in
this
digest:

1.
Re:
Re:
Question
25%
Rule
From:
<
ippbutch@
bellsouth.
net>
2.
Re:
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
­
URGENT
HELP
NEEDED
From:
"
richia401"
<
ringenito@
ocua.
com>
3.
RE:
25%
"
Rule"
­
to
be
evaluated
From:
Leon.
Holt@
TownofCary.
org
4.
Professionalism
From:
"
Oliver
Chilson"
<
ochilson@
ci.
laramie.
wy.
us>
5.
RE:
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
From:
mwilliams@
ci.
st­
joseph.
mo.
us
6.
BMP
for
Masonry
building
restoration
From:
"
hmatyas"
<
hmatyas@
mmsd.
com>
7.
Re:
Question
25%
Rule
From:
rodney
hyde
<
greasemanfla@
yahoo.
com>
8.
Re:
BMP
for
Masonry
building
restoration
From:
Leon.
Holt@
TownofCary.
org
9.
RE:
BMP
for
Masonry
building
restoration
From:
"
TWU­
White,
Lisa"
<
lwhite@
txkusa.
org>
10.
RE:
Professionalism
From:
"
Morgan,
Jon"
<
jon.
morgan@
ci.
vancouver.
wa.
us>

________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message:
1
Date:
Thu,
16
Jun
2005
7:
06:
16
­
0400
From:
<
ippbutch@
bellsouth.
net>
Subject:
Re:
Re:
Question
25%
Rule
WHERE
DID
YOU
GET
THE
GUIDE
FROM
PLEASE
SEND
ME
ANY
INFO
ON
THIS
GUIDE
>
>
From:
"
tsbillings"
<
tbillings@
ci.
richland.
wa.
us>
>
Date:
2005/
06/
15
Wed
AM
11:
09:
49
EDT
>
To:
Pretreatment_
Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
com
>
Subject:
[
Pretreat]
Re:
Question
25%
Rule
>
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message:
2
Date:
Thu,
16
Jun
2005
12:
16:
06
­
0000
From:
"
richia401"
<
ringenito@
ocua.
com>
Subject:
Re:
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
­
URGENT
HELP
NEEDED
1.
Total
number
of
ALL
Categorical
Industrial
Users
(
CIUs)
in
your
program.

10
CIUs
2.
Number
of
those
CIUs
that
NEVER
exceed
100
gallons
per
day
on
ANY
day
of
the
year.

1
with
max
daily
discharge
<
100
gpd
Rich
Ingenito
Ocean
County
Utilities
Authority
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message:
3
Date:
Thu,
16
Jun
2005
08:
29:
11
­
0400
From:
Leon.
Holt@
TownofCary.
org
Subject:
RE:
25%
"
Rule"
­
to
be
evaluated
All,
Flow
velocity
characterization,
food
solids
travel
patterns,
settlablity,
deposition,
and
carry­
over
evaluation/
tendencies
are
among
the
topics
we
(
NCSU
researchers,
grad
students,
technicians
and
my
municipality
will
be
modeling
and
testing
grease
interceptors
in
the
WERF/
NCSU
FROG
research
project
that
got
underway
in
April.
Results
and
reports
are
a
ways
out
just
yet,
but
rest
assured,
the
"
25%"
criteria
will
be
examined.

Regards
to
all.
Oh,
be
expecting
to
see
a
post
relative
to
a
survey/
questionnaire
(
in
the
form
of
an
interactive
web
site)
involving
FOG
and
roots,
and
other
matters
related
to
sanitary
sewer
collections
systems
real
soon.
Hope
everyone
will
go
to
that
site.

Take
care
Leon
Holt
Utilities
Pretreatment
Manager
Town
of
Cary
P.
O.
Box
8005
Cary,
NC
27512­
8005
919­
462­
3871
919­
469­
4304
(
fax)

________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message:
4
Date:
Thu,
16
Jun
2005
08:
18:
24
­
0600
From:
"
Oliver
Chilson"
<
ochilson@
ci.
laramie.
wy.
us>
Subject:
Professionalism
Lighten
up,
guys.

Oliver
Chilson
City
of
Laramie
[
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text
portions
of
this
message
have
been
removed]

________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message:
5
Date:
Thu,
16
Jun
2005
10:
16:
43
­
0500
From:
mwilliams@
ci.
st­
joseph.
mo.
us
Subject:
RE:
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
We
have
16
CIU's
that
discharge
>
100
gpd.

We
have
3
additional
CIU's
that
discharge
sanitary
waste
only.
(
Less
than
100
gpd)

Marsha
Williams
mwilliams@
ci.
st­
joseph.
mo.
us
­­­­­
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From:
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[
mailto:
Pretreatment_
Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
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On
Behalf
Of
Strohmeyer,
Bernie
Sent:
Wednesday,
June
15,
2005
3:
24
PM
To:
'
pretreatment_
coordinators@
yahoogroups.
com'
Cc:
Will
Pettit
(
E­
mail
2)
Subject:
[
Pretreat]
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
­
URGENT
HELP
NEEDED
Just
a
note
of
clarification
to
the
questions
below,
please
do
not
include
zero
dischargers
in
your
totals
even
if
you
permit
them
as
such.
Also
for
batch
dischargers,
please
answer
the
second
question
based
on
a
facility's
real
maximum
daily
discharge
to
your
POTW
from
any
one
of
their
batches.
Thank
you
all
for
your
timely
response
back
to
Will
Pettit
at
NACWA.

Bernie
Strohmeyer
HRSD
757­
460­
7042
[
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text
portions
of
this
message
have
been
removed]

________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message:
6
Date:
Thu,
16
Jun
2005
17:
54:
12
­
0000
From:
"
hmatyas"
<
hmatyas@
mmsd.
com>
Subject:
BMP
for
Masonry
building
restoration
Has
anyone
out
there
developed
best
management
practices
for
wastewater
from
masonry
building
restoration?

Here
in
Milwaukee,
many
buildings
with
lead
paint
are
being
renovated,
using
strong
caustic
and
acidic
solutions
to
remove
the
old
paint.
This
wastewater
can
have
lead
concentrations
20
mg/
L
or
more,
much
higher
than
our
local
limits.
Contractors
are
complaining
that
hauling
or
treatment
would
be
too
expensive,
too
time
consuming,
or
too
complicated.
If
you
have
any
experience
with
effective,
easy
treatment
techniques
for
this
wastewater,
please
let
me
know.

Thanks.

________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message:
7
Date:
Thu,
16
Jun
2005
11:
18:
25
­
0700
(
PDT)
From:
rodney
hyde
<
greasemanfla@
yahoo.
com>
Subject:
Re:
Question
25%
Rule
I
agree
Matt
and
for
me
to
do
my
job
(
PRETREATMENT)
your
right,
I
cannot
do
my
job
while
typing
emails.
I
have
found
I
do
not
have
enough
time
during
the
day
to
sit
back
and
think
about
what
to
write
and
how
to
answer
some
emails
and
after
working
in
the
heat
of
the
day
and
then
coming
back
into
the
office
I
sometimes
(
shoot
from
the
hip)
in
my
responses
for
this
way
of
reacting
I
apoligize,
but
since
I
am
an
inspector
for
our
grease
management
team
and
not
a
consultant,
engineer,
or
other
form
of
non
governmental
bias
person
I
really
only
try
and
speak
from
what
I
see
work
and
what
I
have
seen
not
work
in
our
sewers.

Take
Care
everyone
and
God
Bless
Rodney
P.
S.
and
only
since
this
was
sent
to
the
whole
group
from
someones
response
I
now
send
it
to
the
group
as
a
whole
as
well.

Matt
Thomas
<
Matt.
Thomas@
cityofhenderson.
com>
wrote:
I
am
also
questioning
the
professionalism
(
or
lack
thereof)
that
some
members
have
demonstrated
over
the
past
few
months.
Although
I
do
question
or
even
disagree
with
some
of
the
members
opinions,
I
do
feel
that
I
need
to
present
my
opinion
in
a
manner
that
is
respectful
to
the
other
members
of
the
group.
I
have
seen
numerous
personal
attacks,
as
of
late,
and
I
think
that
these
attacks
show
a
total
lack
of
professionalism.
Further,
these
personal
attacks
are
distracting
many
of
us
from
the
issues
at
hand
"
PRETREATMENT".

R.
Matt
Thomas
Pretreatment
Inspector
City
of
Henderson,
Dept.
of
Utility
Services
2400
Moser
Dr.
/
P.
O.
Box
95050
Henderson,
NV
89009­
5050
ph.
702­
267­
2650
fax
702­
267­
2651
matt.
thomas@
cityofhenderson.
com
>>>
jamesbaginski@
earthlink.
net
06/
15/
05
12:
30
PM
>>>
To
clarify.
I
developed
the
25%
Rule
FOR
HONOLULU,
I
BELIEVE,
about
9
years
ago
based
on
GT
design
specifications
to
establish
a
consistant
criteria
for
determining
maintenance
frequency.
It
doesn't
matter
to
me
whether
it
was
in
place
somewhere
else
since
I
established
a
reasonable
technical
basis
for
the
purpose
of
it's
application
in
Honolulu.
Now,
I
am
simply
sharing
the
technical
basis
I
used
to
justify
it
for
Honolulu,
in
case
anyone
out
there
has
been
applying
this
criteria
without
having/
knowing
a
technical
basis.
It's
just
that
simple.

I
do,
however,
have
serious
concerns
about
this
system
and
the
level
of
professionalism
being
exhibited
by
some
members.
If
anyone
wishes
to
discuss
FOG
issues
with
me
in
the
future,
please
email
me
directly
at
jamesbaginski@
earthlink.
net
or
call
me
at
808­
358­
9453.
General
inquiries
on
the
system,
I
will
likely
respond
directly
to
your
email.

­­­­­
Original
Message­­­­­
From:
rodney
hyde
Sent:
Jun
14,
2005
9:
35
AM
To:
Pretreatment_
Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
com
Subject:
Re:
[
Pretreat]
Question
25%
Rule
Wow
what
a
bold
statement,
is
this
like
Mr.
Gore
inventing
the
internet?
I
will
be
out
of
the
office
for
the
next
12
days
so
I
will
have
to
wait
and
see
your
answer
Mr.
Baginski,
but
I
will
drive
extra
fast
to
get
home
to
see
it.
Take
care
and
good
luck
sir.

"
James
Baginski,
P.
E."
wrote:
I
believe
I
came
up
with
the
25%
Rule
about
8­
9
years
ago
as
a
system
of
establishing
a
consistant
way
to
determine
grease
trap
maintenance
frequency
for
Honolulu's
pretreatment
program.
The
rule
was
primarily
developed
for
grease
traps
since
at
the
time
most
facilities
were
only
required
to
install
traps
as
a
means
of
FOG
control.
The
way
I
developed
the
rule
was
by
evaluating
the
design
specifications
of
several
different
grease
trap
manufacturers
(
e.
g.
J.
R.
Smith,
Jossam,
Zurn,
etc.).
Each
grease
trap
size
was
rated
for
a
specific
"
Loading"
in
pounds
which
would
indicate
when
it
should
be
cleaned.
By
converting
the
"
Loading"
in
pounds
into
cubic
feet
(
based
on
an
average
specific
weight
of,
if
I
recall,
0.7
lbs/
ft
cubed)
and
dividing
out
the
inside
dimensions
for
length
and
width
you
were
left
with
a
material
depth.
The
depth
of
material
as
a
percentage
of
the
total
liquid
depth
of
the
trap
yielded
a
percentage.
This
analysis
was
performed
for
various
size
grease
traps
for
various
manufacturers.
The
percentages
ranged
between
about
25%
and
30%
depending
on
the
design.
It
was
assumed
that
since
these
traps
were
certified
by
the
PDI
that
the
loadings
were
valid.

To
be
conservative,
I
chose
the
minimum
and
applied
the
percentage
to
floating
FOG
material
and
settled
solids
and
instructed
our
inspectors
to
begin
core
sampling
all
traps
during
every
inspection
(
we
were
and
are
still
inspecting
all
traps/
interceptors
semi­
annually)
to
varify
that
the
maintenance
frequency
meets
the
25%
criteria.
The
criteria
was
adopted
for
larger
interceptors
simply
for
consistancy
in
our
rules.
I
later
included
the
25%
Rule
when
I
developed
Honolulu's
grease
interceptor
sizing
criteria
as
you
may
already
be
aware.

You
should
still
be
able
to
recreate
this
factor
by
crunching
various
grease
trap
manufacturer
design
specification
numbers.
If
anyone
has
any
questions,
please
feel
free
to
call
me
anytime
(
808)
358­
9453.

I'd
also
like
to
apologize
if
I
missed
any
significant
discussions
on
the
system.
I
was
out
of
the
country
for
the
past
2
weeks.

­­­­­
Original
Message­­­­­
From:
autry_
eric
Sent:
Jun
14,
2005
8:
23
AM
To:
Pretreatment_
Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
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Subject:
[
Pretreat]
Question
25%
Rule
Pre­
treaters,

I
know
that
people
are
probably
tired
of
talking
about
the
25%
rule,
but
I
have
a
question
to
ask.
I
think
the
25%
rule
is
a
good
thing,
and
I
am
trying
to
get
it
adopted
to
the
FOG
ordnance
in
my
city.
However
I
am
sure
the
council
members
aren't
going
to
just
approve
this
practice
unless
I
can
give
them
some
data
as
to
why
it
is
a
good
tool
for
measuring
interceptors
and
traps
function.

Who
came
up
with
the
25%
rule?
Did
they
have
data
to
back
it
up?
Who
out
there
is
using
the
25%
rule
and
how
has
it
made
your
FOG
problem
change?
Does
the
25%
rule
override
your
local
limit
for
FOG
discharge?
Do
you
measure
25%
in
the
first
or
last
chamber?
any
other
advice
too!

Any
help
you
can
give
would
be
greatly
appreciated.
Thank
you
in
advance!

Sincerely,

Eric
Autry
Source
Control
City
of
Redmond
Public
Works
Wastewater
Maintenance
Desk:
425­
556­
2827
Cell:
425­
443­
1186
Fax:
425­
556­
4222
e­
mail:
eautry@
redmond.
gov
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Date:
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16
Jun
2005
15:
21:
34
­
0400
From:
Leon.
Holt@
TownofCary.
org
Subject:
Re:
BMP
for
Masonry
building
restoration
This
is
interesting.
Years
ago
I
encountered
a
scenario
involving
the
restoration
of
a
building
that
had
been
placed
on
the
National
Registry
of
Historic
Buildings.
In
order
to
comply
with
restrictions
contained
in
the
requirements
for
funding,
applicability,
authenticity,
etc..
the
contractor
was
not
allowed
to
sand
blast
or
otherwise
physically
alter
the
exterior
of
the
old
building,
which
is
what
they
had
intended
to
do.
To
remove
the
old
whitewash
paint
(
Pb
in
10'
s
of
%)
from
the
exterior
brick
without
physical
abrasion,
the
contractor
decided
the
exterior
of
the
building
would
be
chemically
stripped
with
methylene
chloride,
which
obviously
couldn't
go
to
storm
sewer
(
where
they
had
intended
it
to
go).
Making
a
long
story
short,
BMPs
were
part
of
the
solution;
vacuuming
up
paint
flakes,
and
physically
capturing
as
much
as
possible
of
waste
paint
slurry
as
haz
waste
with
LOTS
of
plastic
film.
GAC
was
considered
as
pretreatment
option
for
wastewater
(
wash
water)
but
evaluated
as
too
expensive,
all
aspects
of
that
route
being
considered.
Ultimately
all
waste
from
the
site
was
classified
as
haz
waste
and
disposed
of
accordingly.

Good
luck.

Leon
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message:
9
Date:
Thu,
16
Jun
2005
15:
03:
59
­
0500
From:
"
TWU­
White,
Lisa"
<
lwhite@
txkusa.
org>
Subject:
RE:
BMP
for
Masonry
building
restoration
I
don't
remember
the
web
site
(
I
will
try
to
find
it
tonight
on
my
home
computer),
but
the
EPA
has
a
web
site
on
the
handling
of
lead
based
paint
removal
waste.
It
is
on
a
restoration
web
site.
I
found
it
while
doing
research
for
my
own
100+
year
old
house.
If
the
contractors
are
complaining
about
the
trouble
with
dealing
with
it,
they
are
in
the
wrong
business.

Lisa
M.
White
Environmental
Supervisor
903.798.3870
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mmsd.
com]
Sent:
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16,
2005
12:
54
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Subject:
[
Pretreat]
BMP
for
Masonry
building
restoration
Has
anyone
out
there
developed
best
management
practices
for
wastewater
from
masonry
building
restoration?

Here
in
Milwaukee,
many
buildings
with
lead
paint
are
being
renovated,
using
strong
caustic
and
acidic
solutions
to
remove
the
old
paint.
This
wastewater
can
have
lead
concentrations
20
mg/
L
or
more,
much
higher
than
our
local
limits.
Contractors
are
complaining
that
hauling
or
treatment
would
be
too
expensive,
too
time
consuming,
or
too
complicated.
If
you
have
any
experience
with
effective,
easy
treatment
techniques
for
this
wastewater,
please
let
me
know.

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Date:
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16
Jun
2005
12:
44:
08
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From:
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Morgan,
Jon"
<
jon.
morgan@
ci.
vancouver.
wa.
us>
Subject:
RE:
Professionalism
This
is
a
great
source
of
information,
and
we
all
can
benefit
from
each
other
.
let's
continue
on
the
positive
side
of
things
and
go
forward
from
here
on
out.
Good
Job
guys...................................

Jon
Morgan
City
of
Vancouver
Pretreatment
Inspector.

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Lighten
up,
guys.

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There
are
25
messages
in
this
issue.

Topics
in
this
digest:

1.
RE:
Question
25%
Rule
From:
"
TWU­
White,
Lisa"
<
lwhite@
txkusa.
org>
2.
RE:
Question
25%
Rule
From:
"
TWU­
White,
Lisa"
<
lwhite@
txkusa.
org>
3.
Re:
Question
25%
Rule
From:
"
tsbillings"
<
tbillings@
ci.
richland.
wa.
us>
4.
Biodiesel
Facility
From:
"
Debbie
Biggs"
<
dbiggs@
encinajpa.
com>
5.
Rooftop
Grease
From:
mwilliams@
ci.
st­
joseph.
mo.
us
6.
RE:
Biodiesel
Facility
From:
mwilliams@
ci.
st­
joseph.
mo.
us
7.
peanut
patty
"
manufacturing"
From:
"
TWU­
White,
Lisa"
<
lwhite@
txkusa.
org>
8.
Re:
Biodiesel
Facility
From:
"
Max
Weiss"
<
maxweiss@
in­
tch.
com>
9.
Maximo?
From:
JPopolato@
cabq.
gov
10.
Re:
Maximo?
From:
RWitter@
csu.
org
11.
Re:
Question
25%
Rule
From:
"
James
Baginski,
P.
E."
<
jamesbaginski@
earthlink.
net>
12.
Re:
Biodiesel
Facility
From:
Terri
Lederman
<
tlederman@
gswsa.
com>
13.
Private
Lift
Stations
BMP's
From:
"
douglaskirkland2000"
<
doug.
kirkland@
wwm.
pima.
gov>
14.
RE:
Maximo?
From:
"
Carter,
Jeff"
<
jeff.
carter@
unitedwater.
com>
15.
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
­
URGENT
HELP
NEEDED
From:
"
Strohmeyer,
Bernie"
<
bstrohmeyer@
hrsd.
com>
16.
RE:
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
­
URGENT
HELP
NEEDE
D
From:
"
Simplot,
Cheryl"
<
simplotc@
ci.
beloit.
wi.
us>
17.
Re:
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
­
URGENT
HELP
NEEDED
From:
"
Paul
Manning"
<
pmanning@
sd1.
org>
18.
RE:
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
­
URGENT
HELP
NEEDED
From:
"
Lyman,
Randy"
<
randy_
lyman@
ci.
springfield.
mo.
us>
19.
RE:
Maximo?
From:
"
Ruede,
Richard"
<
richard.
ruede@
lakelandgov.
net>
20.
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
­
URGENT
HELP
NEEDED
From:
"
Strohmeyer,
Bernie"
<
bstrohmeyer@
hrsd.
com>
21.
RE:
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
­
URGENT
HELP
NEEDED
From:
"
Jeff
Macfarlane"
<
jeff@
ndsd.
org>
22.
RE:
Maximo?
From:
"
Mark
Shell"
<
marksh@
cctexas.
com>
23.
Clarification
of
Response
to
Pretreatment
Streamlining
Questions
From:
"
Lyman,
Randy"
<
randy_
lyman@
ci.
springfield.
mo.
us>
24.
Re:
Question
25%
Rule
From:
"
Matt
Thomas"
<
matt.
thomas@
cityofhenderson.
com>
25.
RE:
Question
25%
Rule
From:
"
Strzepek,
Rich"
<
rich.
strzepek@
co.
suffolk.
ny.
us>

________________________________________________________________________
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Message:
1
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
09:
34:
58
­
0500
From:
"
TWU­
White,
Lisa"
<
lwhite@
txkusa.
org>
Subject:
RE:
Question
25%
Rule
And
it
has
been
in
the
Arkansas
plumbing
code
for
many
more
years
than
that!

­­­­­
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Message­­­­­
From:
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hyde
[
mailto:
greasemanfla@
yahoo.
com]
Sent:
June
14,
2005
14:
35
To:
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Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
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Subject:
Re:
[
Pretreat]
Question
25%
Rule
Wow
what
a
bold
statement,
is
this
like
Mr.
Gore
inventing
the
internet?
I
will
be
out
of
the
office
for
the
next
12
days
so
I
will
have
to
wait
and
see
your
answer
Mr.
Baginski,
but
I
will
drive
extra
fast
to
get
home
to
see
it.
Take
care
and
good
luck
sir.

"
James
Baginski,
P.
E."
<
jamesbaginski@
earthlink.
net>
wrote:
I
believe
I
came
up
with
the
25%
Rule
about
8­
9
years
ago
as
a
system
of
establishing
a
consistant
way
to
determine
grease
trap
maintenance
frequency
for
Honolulu's
pretreatment
program.
The
rule
was
primarily
developed
for
grease
traps
since
at
the
time
most
facilities
were
only
required
to
install
traps
as
a
means
of
FOG
control.
The
way
I
developed
the
rule
was
by
evaluating
the
design
specifications
of
several
different
grease
trap
manufacturers
(
e.
g.
J.
R.
Smith,
Jossam,
Zurn,
etc.).
Each
grease
trap
size
was
rated
for
a
specific
"
Loading"
in
pounds
which
would
indicate
when
it
should
be
cleaned.
By
converting
the
"
Loading"
in
pounds
into
cubic
feet
(
based
on
an
average
specific
weight
of,
if
I
recall,
0.7
lbs/
ft
cubed)
and
dividing
out
the
inside
dimensions
for
length
and
width
you
were
left
with
a
material
depth.
The
depth
of
material
as
a
percentage
of
the
total
liquid
depth
of
the
trap
yielded
a
percentage.
This
analysis
was
performed
for
various
size
grease
traps
for
various
manufacturers.
The
percentages
ranged
between
about
25%
and
30%
depending
on
the
design.
It
was
assumed
that
since
these
traps
were
certified
by
the
PDI
that
the
loadings
were
valid.

To
be
conservative,
I
chose
the
minimum
and
applied
the
percentage
to
floating
FOG
material
and
settled
solids
and
instructed
our
inspectors
to
begin
core
sampling
all
traps
during
every
inspection
(
we
were
and
are
still
inspecting
all
traps/
interceptors
semi­
annually)
to
varify
that
the
maintenance
frequency
meets
the
25%
criteria.
The
criteria
was
adopted
for
larger
interceptors
simply
for
consistancy
in
our
rules.
I
later
included
the
25%
Rule
when
I
developed
Honolulu's
grease
interceptor
sizing
criteria
as
you
may
already
be
aware.
You
should
still
be
able
to
recreate
this
factor
by
crunching
various
grease
trap
manufacturer
design
specification
numbers.
If
anyone
has
any
questions,
please
feel
free
to
call
me
anytime
(
808)
358­
9453.

I'd
also
like
to
apologize
if
I
missed
any
significant
discussions
on
the
system.
I
was
out
of
the
country
for
the
past
2
weeks.

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Message­­­­­
From:
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eric
<
eautry@
ci.
redmond.
wa.
us>
Sent:
Jun
14,
2005
8:
23
AM
To:
Pretreatment_
Coordinators@
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Subject:
[
Pretreat]
Question
25%
Rule
Pre­
treaters,

I
know
that
people
are
probably
tired
of
talking
about
the
25%
rule,
but
I
have
a
question
to
ask.
I
think
the
25%
rule
is
a
good
thing,
and
I
am
trying
to
get
it
adopted
to
the
FOG
ordnance
in
my
city.
However
I
am
sure
the
council
members
aren't
going
to
just
approve
this
practice
unless
I
can
give
them
some
data
as
to
why
it
is
a
good
tool
for
measuring
interceptors
and
traps
function.

Who
came
up
with
the
25%
rule?
Did
they
have
data
to
back
it
up?
Who
out
there
is
using
the
25%
rule
and
how
has
it
made
your
FOG
problem
change?
Does
the
25%
rule
override
your
local
limit
for
FOG
discharge?
Do
you
measure
25%
in
the
first
or
last
chamber?
any
other
advice
too!

Any
help
you
can
give
would
be
greatly
appreciated.
Thank
you
in
advance!

Sincerely,

Eric
Autry
Source
Control
City
of
Redmond
Public
Works
Wastewater
Maintenance
Desk:
425­
556­
2827
Cell:
425­
443­
1186
Fax:
425­
556­
4222
e­
mail:
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redmond.
gov
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Ola
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For
Life
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Nui
Loa
&
Aloha
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P.
E.

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Baginski
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Date:
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15
Jun
2005
10:
03:
21
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0500
From:
"
TWU­
White,
Lisa"
<
lwhite@
txkusa.
org>
Subject:
RE:
Question
25%
Rule
Lisa
M.
White
Environmental
Supervisor
903.798.3870
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From:
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eric
[
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ci.
redmond.
wa.
us]
Sent:
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14,
2005
13:
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To:
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Subject:
[
Pretreat]
Question
25%
Rule
Pre­
treaters,

I
know
that
people
are
probably
tired
of
talking
about
the
25%
rule,
but
I
have
a
question
to
ask.
I
think
the
25%
rule
is
a
good
thing,
and
I
am
trying
to
get
it
adopted
to
the
FOG
ordnance
in
my
city.
However
I
am
sure
the
council
members
aren't
going
to
just
approve
this
practice
unless
I
can
give
them
some
data
as
to
why
it
is
a
good
tool
for
measuring
interceptors
and
traps
function.

Who
came
up
with
the
25%
rule?
We
got
if
from
Arkansas
plumbing
code.
Sounded
like
a
good
idea,
and
since
we
are
Arkansas
and
Texas
(
twin
city
with
one
water
utility),
the
"
more
stringent"
is
applied
so
the
local
code
is
the
same
in
on
both
sides
of
the
city.

Did
they
have
data
to
back
it
up?

No
answer
available,
but
probably
not.

Who
out
there
is
using
the
25%
rule
and
how
has
it
made
your
FOG
problem
change?
Nothing
specifically
tied
to
the
25%,
but
since
the
inception
of
our
Grease
Waste
Control
Program
in
1998,
our
"
stoppage
calls"
(
requests
to
clear
slow
or
non­
flowing
main
lines)
has
decreased
by
>
61%
(
and
that
was
two
years
ago.
Haven't
run
the
numbers
lately)

Does
the
25%
rule
override
your
local
limit
for
FOG
discharge?
NO
Do
you
measure
25%
in
the
first
or
last
chamber?
solids
and
grease
in
the
primary
chamber
only.

any
other
advice
too!

Work
with
your
building
officials
and
get
in
on
the
ground
floor,
review
plans
for
all
food
service.
Inspect
the
installations,
not
as
a
plumbing
inspector,
but
from
a
pretreatment
point
of
view.

Be
visible.
When
we
start
making
"
routine"
inspections,
after
the
first
one
or
two,
people
already
know
we
are
coming.
Imagine
that!

Establish
a
system
where
cleaning
is
reported
to
you.
We
use
a
permitting
system
for
the
transporters
(
those
who
clean
the
traps)
and
manifesting,
so
you
know
who
is
cleaning
and
who
is
not.

Do
not
allow
"
wide
spots
in
the
sewer
line"
installations
(
those
under
the
sink).

Kill
all
gransfather
clauses.

Establish
charges
for
cleaning
sewer
mains
of
grease
stoppages
(
we
charge
$
325/
hr
for
the
vactor
truck,
plus
labor).
It
is
easier
than
you
may
think
to
trace
it
back
to
specific
food
services.

I
could
go
on
for
a
while,
but
I
have
work
to
do.

Any
help
you
can
give
would
be
greatly
appreciated.
Thank
you
in
advance!

Sincerely,

Eric
Autry
Source
Control
City
of
Redmond
Public
Works
Wastewater
Maintenance
Desk:
425­
556­
2827
Cell:
425­
443­
1186
Fax:
425­
556­
4222
e­
mail:
eautry@
redmond.
gov
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Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
15:
09:
49
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From:
"
tsbillings"
<
tbillings@
ci.
richland.
wa.
us>
Subject:
Re:
Question
25%
Rule
Eric,

For
what
its
worth,
the
2004
"
Guide
to
Restaurant
Grease
Management"
by
IRAC
lists
the
25%
Rule
as
criteria
for
inspecting
grease
traps
on
page
20.
Our
ordinance
has
the
100mg/
L
limit,
but
we
use
the
IRAC
guide
as
a
guidance
document
for
policy.

Toby
Billings
Pretreatment
Coordinator
City
of
Richland,
WA
________________________________________________________________________
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Message:
4
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
09:
30:
47
­
0700
From:
"
Debbie
Biggs"
<
dbiggs@
encinajpa.
com>
Subject:
Biodiesel
Facility
Hello
all,
I
was
recently
contacted
by
a
gentleman
that
wants
to
open
a
biodiesel
facility
in
our
service
area.
He
has
been
conducting
R&
D
and
hopes
to
produce
up
to
10,000
gallons
per
week
within
6­
10
months.
The
production
process
involves
heating
vegetable
oil,
methanol
and
KOH,
and
then
washing
the
biodiesel
to
remove
the
glycerin
that
is
formed.
The
rinse
is
what
he
proposes
to
discharge
to
the
sewer.
I
was
wondering
if
anyone
has
experience
with
such
an
operation.
Are
there
any
concerns
other
than
oil
&
grease
and
pH?
What
kind
of
treatment
is
required?
Thanks
for
your
input.

Debbie
Biggs
Encina
Wastewater
Authority
(
760)
438­
3941,
ext.
3601
________________________________________________________________________
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Message:
5
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
11:
29:
15
­
0500
From:
mwilliams@
ci.
st­
joseph.
mo.
us
Subject:
Rooftop
Grease
I
was
looking
up
"
Guide
to
Restaurant
Grease
Management"
on
the
internet
and
found
the
following
interesting
article
on
rooftop
grease
from
the
National
Roofing
Contractors
Association.
Have
any
of
you,
particularly
Phase
2
Stormwater
Cities,
dealt
with
this?

http://
www.
professionalroofing.
net/
article.
aspx?
A_
ID=
486
<
http://
www.
professionalroofing.
net/
article.
aspx?
A_
ID=
486>

Marsha
Williams
mwilliams@
ci.
st­
joseph.
mo.
us
Regarding:

Eric,

For
what
its
worth,
the
2004
"
Guide
to
Restaurant
Grease
Management"

by
IRAC
lists
the
25%
Rule
as
criteria
for
inspecting
grease
traps
on
page
20.
Our
ordinance
has
the
100mg/
L
limit,
but
we
use
the
IRAC
guide
as
a
guidance
document
for
policy.

Toby
Billings
Pretreatment
Coordinator
City
of
Richland,
WA
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Message:
6
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
11:
36:
50
­
0500
From:
mwilliams@
ci.
st­
joseph.
mo.
us
Subject:
RE:
Biodiesel
Facility
Wow!!!
I've
been
trying
to
talk
the
city
into
attracting
a
biodiesel
industry
here!
Most
biodiesel
facilities
use
vegetable
oil,
but
it
is
MUCH
cheaper
for
them
to
use
used
restaurant
grease.
They
CAN
take
grease
trap
or
grease
interceptor
grease
and
make
biodiesel,
and
everybody
would
be
happy
and
better
off.
Most
of
them
don't.
But
if
your
city
has
a
grease
problem,
I
would
jump
at
this
chance
to
see
if
you
can
get
them
to
accept
grease
from
these
sources.
Grease
haulers
would
gladly
bring
them
their
grease
for
free...
most
of
them
are
paying
to
dispose
of
it
now.
Maybe
the
city
could
offer
them
some
kind
of
incentive.
This
may
be
a
great
opportunity.

Marsha
Williams
mwilliams@
ci.
st­
joseph.
mo.
us
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Coordinators@
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On
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Of
Debbie
Biggs
Sent:
Wednesday,
June
15,
2005
11:
31
AM
To:
Pretreatment_
Coordinators@
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com
Subject:
[
Pretreat]
Biodiesel
Facility
Hello
all,
I
was
recently
contacted
by
a
gentleman
that
wants
to
open
a
biodiesel
facility
in
our
service
area.
He
has
been
conducting
R&
D
and
hopes
to
produce
up
to
10,000
gallons
per
week
within
6­
10
months.
The
production
process
involves
heating
vegetable
oil,
methanol
and
KOH,
and
then
washing
the
biodiesel
to
remove
the
glycerin
that
is
formed.
The
rinse
is
what
he
proposes
to
discharge
to
the
sewer.
I
was
wondering
if
anyone
has
experience
with
such
an
operation.
Are
there
any
concerns
other
than
oil
&
grease
and
pH?
What
kind
of
treatment
is
required?
Thanks
for
your
input.

Debbie
Biggs
Encina
Wastewater
Authority
(
760)
438­
3941,
ext.
3601
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Message:
7
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
12:
05:
08
­
0500
From:
"
TWU­
White,
Lisa"
<
lwhite@
txkusa.
org>
Subject:
peanut
patty
"
manufacturing"

Got
a
call
this
morning
asking
if
a
person
would
need
a
grease
trap
for
peanut
patty
manufacturing.
She
has
a
choice
of
buying
the
peanuts
already
roasted.

Anyone
with
Experience?
Don't
have
all
the
info
I
need
to
determine
yet,
but
thought
I
would
get
some
wisdom
from
Experience.

Lisa
M.
White
Environmental
Supervisor
903.798.3870
mailto:
lwhite@
txkusa.
org
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message:
8
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
11:
18:
13
­
0600
From:
"
Max
Weiss"
<
maxweiss@
in­
tch.
com>
Subject:
Re:
Biodiesel
Facility
Trap
grease,
classified
as
"
Brown
Grease"
is
too
contaminated
and
the
glycerol
/
fatty
acid
structure
altered
to
currently
be
an
acceptable
biodiesel
feedstock
whether
the
process
uses
the
thermal
or
catalyst
methods.

More
detailed
data
can
be
obtained
from
the
Department
of
Energy
regarding
quantity
and
quality
of
feedstock.
Max
Weiss,
Industry
Consultant
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From:
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ci.
st­
joseph.
mo.
us
To:
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Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
com
Sent:
Wednesday,
June
15,
2005
10:
36
AM
Subject:
RE:
[
Pretreat]
Biodiesel
Facility
Wow!!!
I've
been
trying
to
talk
the
city
into
attracting
a
biodiesel
industry
here!
Most
biodiesel
facilities
use
vegetable
oil,
but
it
is
MUCH
cheaper
for
them
to
use
used
restaurant
grease.
They
CAN
take
grease
trap
or
grease
interceptor
grease
and
make
biodiesel,
and
everybody
would
be
happy
and
better
off.
Most
of
them
don't.
But
if
your
city
has
a
grease
problem,
I
would
jump
at
this
chance
to
see
if
you
can
get
them
to
accept
grease
from
these
sources.
Grease
haulers
would
gladly
bring
them
their
grease
for
free...
most
of
them
are
paying
to
dispose
of
it
now.
Maybe
the
city
could
offer
them
some
kind
of
incentive.
This
may
be
a
great
opportunity.

Marsha
Williams
mwilliams@
ci.
st­
joseph.
mo.
us
­­­­­
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From:
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Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
com
[
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Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
com]
On
Behalf
Of
Debbie
Biggs
Sent:
Wednesday,
June
15,
2005
11:
31
AM
To:
Pretreatment_
Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
com
Subject:
[
Pretreat]
Biodiesel
Facility
Hello
all,
I
was
recently
contacted
by
a
gentleman
that
wants
to
open
a
biodiesel
facility
in
our
service
area.
He
has
been
conducting
R&
D
and
hopes
to
produce
up
to
10,000
gallons
per
week
within
6­
10
months.
The
production
process
involves
heating
vegetable
oil,
methanol
and
KOH,
and
then
washing
the
biodiesel
to
remove
the
glycerin
that
is
formed.
The
rinse
is
what
he
proposes
to
discharge
to
the
sewer.
I
was
wondering
if
anyone
has
experience
with
such
an
operation.
Are
there
any
concerns
other
than
oil
&
grease
and
pH?
What
kind
of
treatment
is
required?
Thanks
for
your
input.

Debbie
Biggs
Encina
Wastewater
Authority
(
760)
438­
3941,
ext.
3601
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Message:
9
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
12:
44:
12
­
0600
From:
JPopolato@
cabq.
gov
Subject:
Maximo?

Is
anyone
using
Maximo
with
their
pretreatment
program?

Albuquerque
N.
M.
is
moving
to
Maximo
for
City
wide,
asset
management,
inventory
control,
water
distribution
CM/
PM,
wastewater
collection
CM/
PM
and
treatment
plant
CM/
PM.
Our
Wastewater
Division
Manager
wants
the
Pretreatment
Program
to
begin
using
Maximo.

Thanks,
Joe
Popolato,
Compliance
&
Enforcement
Coordinator
City
of
Albuquerque/
Water
Utility
Dept./
Industrial
Pretreatment
Program
4201
2nd
Street
SW,
87105
Phone:
(
505)
873­
7031
Fax:
(
505)
873­
6975
e­
mail:
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cabq.
gov
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Message:
10
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
13:
07:
17
­
0600
From:
RWitter@
csu.
org
Subject:
Re:
Maximo?

Good
afternoon!
We
are
a
4
service
utility
here
in
Colorado
Springs
using
MAXIMO.
It
is
useful
in
tracking
all
the
functions
you
mentioned
as
well
as
work
order
generation
and
such.
To
be
honest,
it
looks
like
we
bought
an
inventory
managementl
package
and
cobbled
it
together/
morphed
it
fit
all
these
other
functions
so
it's
not
very
easy
to
use
without
a
fair
amount
of
training.
It
also
takes
some
getting
used
to
after
using
Windows.
It
has
been
stable
(
not
crashing),
but
that
maybe
more
a
function
of
the
hardware.

In
Pretreatment,
we
only
use
it
to
track
our
time
for
cost
tracking
and
nothing
else.
I
can't
see
how
it
would
be
useful
for
any
other
pretreatment
functions;
SIU,
SMR,
Silver
and
FOG
are
all
tracked
through
other
databases.
If
your
management
wanted
to
track
costs
and
such,
it
works
reasonable
well,
but
be
careful
of
the
impulse
have
it
do
more
than
it
probably
should.
Our
utility
engineers
love
these
complicated
gizmos,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
gotta
wonder...

INTEL
also
uses
it
if
you
have
any
contacts
there.

Hope
this
helps.

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Message:
11
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
09:
30:
21
­
1000
(
GMT­
10:
00)
From:
"
James
Baginski,
P.
E."
<
jamesbaginski@
earthlink.
net>
Subject:
Re:
Question
25%
Rule
To
clarify.
I
developed
the
25%
Rule
FOR
HONOLULU,
I
BELIEVE,
about
9
years
ago
based
on
GT
design
specifications
to
establish
a
consistant
criteria
for
determining
maintenance
frequency.
It
doesn't
matter
to
me
whether
it
was
in
place
somewhere
else
since
I
established
a
reasonable
technical
basis
for
the
purpose
of
it's
application
in
Honolulu.
Now,
I
am
simply
sharing
the
technical
basis
I
used
to
justify
it
for
Honolulu,
in
case
anyone
out
there
has
been
applying
this
criteria
without
having/
knowing
a
technical
basis.
It's
just
that
simple.

I
do,
however,
have
serious
concerns
about
this
system
and
the
level
of
professionalism
being
exhibited
by
some
members.
If
anyone
wishes
to
discuss
FOG
issues
with
me
in
the
future,
please
email
me
directly
at
jamesbaginski@
earthlink.
net
or
call
me
at
808­
358­
9453.
General
inquiries
on
the
system,
I
will
likely
respond
directly
to
your
email.

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From:
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hyde
<
greasemanfla@
yahoo.
com>
Sent:
Jun
14,
2005
9:
35
AM
To:
Pretreatment_
Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
com
Subject:
Re:
[
Pretreat]
Question
25%
Rule
Wow
what
a
bold
statement,
is
this
like
Mr.
Gore
inventing
the
internet?
I
will
be
out
of
the
office
for
the
next
12
days
so
I
will
have
to
wait
and
see
your
answer
Mr.
Baginski,
but
I
will
drive
extra
fast
to
get
home
to
see
it.
Take
care
and
good
luck
sir.

"
James
Baginski,
P.
E."
<
jamesbaginski@
earthlink.
net>
wrote:
I
believe
I
came
up
with
the
25%
Rule
about
8­
9
years
ago
as
a
system
of
establishing
a
consistant
way
to
determine
grease
trap
maintenance
frequency
for
Honolulu's
pretreatment
program.
The
rule
was
primarily
developed
for
grease
traps
since
at
the
time
most
facilities
were
only
required
to
install
traps
as
a
means
of
FOG
control.
The
way
I
developed
the
rule
was
by
evaluating
the
design
specifications
of
several
different
grease
trap
manufacturers
(
e.
g.
J.
R.
Smith,
Jossam,
Zurn,
etc.).
Each
grease
trap
size
was
rated
for
a
specific
"
Loading"
in
pounds
which
would
indicate
when
it
should
be
cleaned.
By
converting
the
"
Loading"
in
pounds
into
cubic
feet
(
based
on
an
average
specific
weight
of,
if
I
recall,
0.7
lbs/
ft
cubed)
and
dividing
out
the
inside
dimensions
for
length
and
width
you
were
left
with
a
material
depth.
The
depth
of
material
as
a
percentage
of
the
total
liquid
depth
of
the
trap
yielded
a
percentage.
This
analysis
was
performed
for
various
size
grease
traps
for
various
manufacturers.
The
percentages
ranged
between
about
25%
and
30%
depending
on
the
design.
It
was
assumed
that
since
these
traps
were
certified
by
the
PDI
that
the
loadings
were
valid.
To
be
conservative,
I
chose
the
minimum
and
applied
the
percentage
to
floating
FOG
material
and
settled
solids
and
instructed
our
inspectors
to
begin
core
sampling
all
traps
during
every
inspection
(
we
were
and
are
still
inspecting
all
traps/
interceptors
semi­
annually)
to
varify
that
the
maintenance
frequency
meets
the
25%
criteria.
The
criteria
was
adopted
for
larger
interceptors
simply
for
consistancy
in
our
rules.
I
later
included
the
25%
Rule
when
I
developed
Honolulu's
grease
interceptor
sizing
criteria
as
you
may
already
be
aware.

You
should
still
be
able
to
recreate
this
factor
by
crunching
various
grease
trap
manufacturer
design
specification
numbers.
If
anyone
has
any
questions,
please
feel
free
to
call
me
anytime
(
808)
358­
9453.

I'd
also
like
to
apologize
if
I
missed
any
significant
discussions
on
the
system.
I
was
out
of
the
country
for
the
past
2
weeks.

­­­­­
Original
Message­­­­­
From:
autry_
eric
<
eautry@
ci.
redmond.
wa.
us>
Sent:
Jun
14,
2005
8:
23
AM
To:
Pretreatment_
Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
com
Subject:
[
Pretreat]
Question
25%
Rule
Pre­
treaters,

I
know
that
people
are
probably
tired
of
talking
about
the
25%
rule,
but
I
have
a
question
to
ask.
I
think
the
25%
rule
is
a
good
thing,
and
I
am
trying
to
get
it
adopted
to
the
FOG
ordnance
in
my
city.
However
I
am
sure
the
council
members
aren't
going
to
just
approve
this
practice
unless
I
can
give
them
some
data
as
to
why
it
is
a
good
tool
for
measuring
interceptors
and
traps
function.

Who
came
up
with
the
25%
rule?
Did
they
have
data
to
back
it
up?
Who
out
there
is
using
the
25%
rule
and
how
has
it
made
your
FOG
problem
change?
Does
the
25%
rule
override
your
local
limit
for
FOG
discharge?
Do
you
measure
25%
in
the
first
or
last
chamber?
any
other
advice
too!

Any
help
you
can
give
would
be
greatly
appreciated.
Thank
you
in
advance!

Sincerely,

Eric
Autry
Source
Control
City
of
Redmond
Public
Works
Wastewater
Maintenance
Desk:
425­
556­
2827
Cell:
425­
443­
1186
Fax:
425­
556­
4222
e­
mail:
eautry@
redmond.
gov
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Message:
12
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
13:
21:
51
­
0400
From:
Terri
Lederman
<
tlederman@
gswsa.
com>
Subject:
Re:
Biodiesel
Facility
http://
www.
agecon.
uga.
edu/~
caed/
biodieselrpt.
pdf
here
is
a
link
to
a
paper
on
biodiesel
production
that
might
of
interest.
Debbie
Biggs
wrote:

>
Hello
all,
>
I
was
recently
contacted
by
a
gentleman
that
wants
to
open
a
biodiesel
facility
in
our
service
area.
He
has
been
conducting
R&
D
and
hopes
to
produce
up
to
10,000
gallons
per
week
within
6­
10
months.
The
production
process
involves
heating
vegetable
oil,
methanol
and
KOH,
and
then
washing
the
biodiesel
to
remove
the
glycerin
that
is
formed.
The
rinse
is
what
he
proposes
to
discharge
to
the
sewer.
I
was
wondering
if
anyone
has
experience
with
such
an
operation.
Are
there
any
concerns
other
than
oil
&
grease
and
pH?
What
kind
of
treatment
is
required?
Thanks
for
your
input.
>
>
Debbie
Biggs
>
Encina
Wastewater
Authority
>(
760)
438­
3941,
ext.
3601
>
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Message:
13
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
17:
25:
17
­
0000
From:
"
douglaskirkland2000"
<
doug.
kirkland@
wwm.
pima.
gov>
Subject:
Private
Lift
Stations
BMP's
We
have
been
issuing
Industrial
Wastewater
Discharge
Permits
to
all
private
lift
stations
(
residential
and
commercial
 
industrial
and
domestic)
since
1997.
We
are
looking
to
get
away
from
permitting
domestic
wastewater.
In
lieu
of
permitting
we
would
like
to
put
in
place
BMP's
with
an
annual
reporting/
certification
requirement.
As
it
is
now
when
a
permitted
private
lift
station
owner
falls
into
SNC
we
are
obligated
to
assess
a
penalty.
It
just
seems
wrong
to
have
the
Industrial
Wastewater
Control
Group
assess
a
penalty
for
domestic
wastewater
discharges.

Thanks
again
Doug
Kirkland
Pima
County
Wastewater
Management
Industrial
Wastewater
Control
Group
520­
579­
5771
Date:
Tue,
14
Jun
2005
14:
47:
54
­
0700
(
PDT)
From:
master
<
macdadddy34@
yahoo.
com>
Subject:
Re:
Private
Lift
Stations
BMP's
are
these
lift
station
for
residential
or
commercial?
the
reason
i
ask
is
if
they
are
commercial
we
inspect
them
every
3
months
anyways
so
that
makes
us
their
BMP
:)
whether
they
like
it
or
not
sometimes
­­­
douglaskirkland2000
<
doug.
kirkland@
wwm.
pima.
gov>
wrote:

>
Hello
Pretreatment
Coordinators!
>
>
Although
I
have
been
a
member
of
this
informative
>
group
for
some
>
time,
I
have
not
had
the
opportunity
to
request
>
information
until
>
now.
>
>
We
have
been
having
problems
with
odor
complaints
>
around
private
lift
>
stations
and
corrosion
damage
where
the
lift
>
stations
discharge
into
>
the
POTW.
We
want
lift
station
owners
to
implement
>
a
BMP
program
>
that
would
include
routine
inspections,
chemical
>
feed,
and
>
maintenance.
>
>
Does
anyone
have
examples
of
lift
station
BMP's
they
>
could
send
>
me?
>
>
Thanks
in
advance
for
you
assistance.
>
>
Doug
Kirkland
>
Pima
County
Wastewater
Management
>
Industrial
Wastewater
Control
Group
>
520­
579­
5771
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message:
14
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
15:
34:
11
­
0400
From:
"
Carter,
Jeff"
<
jeff.
carter@
unitedwater.
com>
Subject:
RE:
Maximo?

Hey,
Joe!
What
does
your
Backflow/
Cross
Connection
Program
think
about
Maximo?
Most
asset
management
software
does
not
address
regulatory
compliance
issues
without
a
(
pricey)
additional
module.
Is
there
a
LIMS
in
place?
Pretreatment
data
is
generally
easier
to
wedge
into
a
LIMS
environment
than
an
Asset
Management
one.

Jeff
(
home­
made
ACCESS
Pretreatment
data
management
program)
Carter
UW
­
Burbank
740
N
Lake
St
Burbank
CA
91502
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message:
15
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
15:
47:
43
­
0400
From:
"
Strohmeyer,
Bernie"
<
bstrohmeyer@
hrsd.
com>
Subject:
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
­
URGENT
HELP
NEEDED
Finalization
of
the
Pretreatment
Streamlining
Rule
is
nearing
the
finish
line.
The
National
Association
of
Clean
Water
Agencies'
(
NACWA)
advocacy
efforts
have
continued
until
this
11th
hour.
WE
NEED
YOUR
URGENT
HELP
to
substantiate
NACWA's
position
on
the
final
rule.

If
you
could
please
provide
me
with
these
two
critical
pieces
of
information
by
COB
today
if
possible,
or
by
noon
tomorrow,
June
16,
it
would
do
wonders
for
our
efforts:
1.
Total
number
of
ALL
Categorical
Industrial
Users
(
CIUs)
in
your
program.
2.
Number
of
those
CIUs
that
NEVER
exceed
100
gallons
per
day
on
ANY
day
of
the
year.
Please
provide
this
information
via
email
to
wpettit@
nacwa.
org
<
mailto:
wpettit@
nacwa.
org>
or
by
phone
at
202/
833­
3280.
If
you
have
any
questions,
please
don't
hesitate
to
call
me
or
Guy
Aydlett,
Hampton
Roads
Sanitation
District,
at
757/
460­
4220.
Thank
you
very
much!
Sincerely,
Will
Pettit
Will
Pettit
Manager,
Regulatory
Affairs
National
Association
of
Clean
Water
Agencies
1816
Jefferson
Place,
N.
W.
Washington,
D.
C.
20036­
2505
Phone:
(
202)
833­
3280
Fax:
(
202)
833­
4657
Internet:
www.
nacwa.
org
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message:
16
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
14:
51:
34
­
0500
From:
"
Simplot,
Cheryl"
<
simplotc@
ci.
beloit.
wi.
us>
Subject:
RE:
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
­
URGENT
HELP
NEEDE
D
6
categoricals
all
exceed
100
gallons
­­­­­
Original
Message­­­­­
From:
Strohmeyer,
Bernie
[
mailto:
bstrohmeyer@
hrsd.
com]
Sent:
Wednesday,
June
15,
2005
2:
48
PM
To:
'
pretreatment_
coordinators@
yahoogroups.
com'
Cc:
'
wpettit@
nacwa.
org'
Subject:
[
Pretreat]
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
­
URGENT
HELP
NEEDED
Finalization
of
the
Pretreatment
Streamlining
Rule
is
nearing
the
finish
line.
The
National
Association
of
Clean
Water
Agencies'
(
NACWA)
advocacy
efforts
have
continued
until
this
11th
hour.
WE
NEED
YOUR
URGENT
HELP
to
substantiate
NACWA's
position
on
the
final
rule.

If
you
could
please
provide
me
with
these
two
critical
pieces
of
information
by
COB
today
if
possible,
or
by
noon
tomorrow,
June
16,
it
would
do
wonders
for
our
efforts:
1.
Total
number
of
ALL
Categorical
Industrial
Users
(
CIUs)
in
your
program.
2.
Number
of
those
CIUs
that
NEVER
exceed
100
gallons
per
day
on
ANY
day
of
the
year.
Please
provide
this
information
via
email
to
wpettit@
nacwa.
org
<
mailto:
wpettit@
nacwa.
org>
or
by
phone
at
202/
833­
3280.
If
you
have
any
questions,
please
don't
hesitate
to
call
me
or
Guy
Aydlett,
Hampton
Roads
Sanitation
District,
at
757/
460­
4220.
Thank
you
very
much!
Sincerely,
Will
Pettit
Will
Pettit
Manager,
Regulatory
Affairs
National
Association
of
Clean
Water
Agencies
1816
Jefferson
Place,
N.
W.
Washington,
D.
C.
20036­
2505
Phone:
(
202)
833­
3280
Fax:
(
202)
833­
4657
Internet:
www.
nacwa.
org
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Message:
17
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
15:
42:
58
­
0400
From:
"
Paul
Manning"
<
pmanning@
sd1.
org>
Subject:
Re:
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
­
URGENT
HELP
NEEDED
16
CIUs
3
are
non­
dischargers
2
are
batch
dischargers
so
will
be
less
than
100
gals
at
any
one
day.

>>>
bstrohmeyer@
hrsd.
com
6/
15/
2005
3:
47:
43
PM
>>>
Finalization
of
the
Pretreatment
Streamlining
Rule
is
nearing
the
finish
line.
The
National
Association
of
Clean
Water
Agencies'
(
NACWA)
advocacy
efforts
have
continued
until
this
11th
hour.
WE
NEED
YOUR
URGENT
HELP
to
substantiate
NACWA's
position
on
the
final
rule.

If
you
could
please
provide
me
with
these
two
critical
pieces
of
information
by
COB
today
if
possible,
or
by
noon
tomorrow,
June
16,
it
would
do
wonders
for
our
efforts:
1.
Total
number
of
ALL
Categorical
Industrial
Users
(
CIUs)
in
your
program.
2.
Number
of
those
CIUs
that
NEVER
exceed
100
gallons
per
day
on
ANY
day
of
the
year.
Please
provide
this
information
via
email
to
wpettit@
nacwa.
org
<
mailto:
wpettit@
nacwa.
org>
or
by
phone
at
202/
833­
3280.
If
you
have
any
questions,
please
don't
hesitate
to
call
me
or
Guy
Aydlett,
Hampton
Roads
Sanitation
District,
at
757/
460­
4220.
Thank
you
very
much!
Sincerely,
Will
Pettit
Manager,
Regulatory
Affairs
National
Association
of
Clean
Water
Agencies
1816
Jefferson
Place,
N.
W.
Washington,
D.
C.
20036­
2505
Phone:
(
202)
833­
3280
Fax:
(
202)
833­
4657
Internet:
www.
nacwa.
org
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Message:
18
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
15:
19:
04
­
0500
From:
"
Lyman,
Randy"
<
randy_
lyman@
ci.
springfield.
mo.
us>
Subject:
RE:
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
­
URGENT
HELP
NEEDED
FYI
as
follows
in
calendar
year
2004:

1.
Total
number
of
ALL
Categorical
Industrial
Users
(
CIUs)
in
your
program.

24
Permitted
CIU's
2.
Number
of
those
CIUs
that
NEVER
exceed
100
gallons
per
day
on
ANY
day
of
the
year.

1
Permitted
CIU
(
433)
averages
<
100
gals.
per
day.

5
Permitted
CIU's
are
permitted
as
"
No
Discharge"
of
process
waters.

Randy
Lyman,
REHS/
RS
Environmental
Compliance
Officer
City
of
Springfield,
Mo.
1216
W.
Nichols
St.
Springfield,
Mo.
65802
417­
864­
1925
phone
417­
864­
1918
fax
mailto:
rlyman@
ci.
springfield.
mo.
us
http://
www.
ci.
springfield.
mo.
us/
sanitary/
pretreatment
­­­­­
Original
Message­­­­­
From:
Pretreatment_
Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
com
[
mailto:
Pretreatment_
Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
com]
On
Behalf
Of
Strohmeyer,
Bernie
Sent:
Wednesday,
June
15,
2005
2:
48
PM
To:
'
pretreatment_
coordinators@
yahoogroups.
com'
Cc:
'
wpettit@
nacwa.
org'
Subject:
[
Pretreat]
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
­
URGENT
HELP
NEEDED
Finalization
of
the
Pretreatment
Streamlining
Rule
is
nearing
the
finish
line.
The
National
Association
of
Clean
Water
Agencies'
(
NACWA)
advocacy
efforts
have
continued
until
this
11th
hour.
WE
NEED
YOUR
URGENT
HELP
to
substantiate
NACWA's
position
on
the
final
rule.

If
you
could
please
provide
me
with
these
two
critical
pieces
of
information
by
COB
today
if
possible,
or
by
noon
tomorrow,
June
16,
it
would
do
wonders
for
our
efforts:
1.
Total
number
of
ALL
Categorical
Industrial
Users
(
CIUs)
in
your
program.
2.
Number
of
those
CIUs
that
NEVER
exceed
100
gallons
per
day
on
ANY
day
of
the
year.
Please
provide
this
information
via
email
to
wpettit@
nacwa.
org
<
mailto:
wpettit@
nacwa.
org>
or
by
phone
at
202/
833­
3280.
If
you
have
any
questions,
please
don't
hesitate
to
call
me
or
Guy
Aydlett,
Hampton
Roads
Sanitation
District,
at
757/
460­
4220.
Thank
you
very
much!
Sincerely,
Will
Pettit
Will
Pettit
Manager,
Regulatory
Affairs
National
Association
of
Clean
Water
Agencies
1816
Jefferson
Place,
N.
W.
Washington,
D.
C.
20036­
2505
Phone:
(
202)
833­
3280
Fax:
(
202)
833­
4657
Internet:
www.
nacwa.
org
To
post
to
the
group,
send
the
posting
to
Pretreatment_
Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
com
.
Yahoo!
Groups
Links
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message:
19
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
16:
22:
31
­
0400
From:
"
Ruede,
Richard"
<
richard.
ruede@
lakelandgov.
net>
Subject:
RE:
Maximo?

Joe,

We
have
been
using
Maximo
here
in
Lakeland,
FL
since
July
for
Wastewater
Collections
and
Treatment.
Various
City
Departments
have
been
using
Maximo
since
Jan
2000.
Our
system
is
connected
directly
to
our
financial
programs
and
payroll.

In
pretreatment
we
are
using
Maximo
as
our
scheduler.
All
of
our
sampling,
inspections,
grease
trap
inspections
and
some
other
items
are
all
done
with
work
orders
that
are
printed
out
in
Maximo
at
various
frequencies.
We
have
some
facilities
that
have
different
sampling
requirement
at
Monthly,
Quarterly,
Semi­
Annually
and
Annually
and
by
using
some
of
the
functions
in
Maximo,
different
work
orders
can
be
printed
out
for
the
correct
sampling
that
is
due.

We
are
also,
like
others
have
indicated,
using
Maximo
to
gather
cost
of
doing
business.
Sampling,
maintenance,
cleaning,
Inspections,
and
so
on
can
be
captured
and
looked
at
from
year
to
year.
If
you
have
any
questions
please
let
me
know...

Rick
Richard
J.
Ruede
Industrial
Pretreatment
Coordinator
City
of
Lakeland
Water
Utilities
Department
1825
Glendale
Street
Lakeland,
FL
33803
Phone
(
863)
834­
6571
Fax
(
863)
834­
6271
richard.
ruede@
lakelandgov.
net
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message:
20
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
16:
24:
08
­
0400
From:
"
Strohmeyer,
Bernie"
<
bstrohmeyer@
hrsd.
com>
Subject:
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
­
URGENT
HELP
NEEDED
Just
a
note
of
clarification
to
the
questions
below,
please
do
not
include
zero
dischargers
in
your
totals
even
if
you
permit
them
as
such.
Also
for
batch
dischargers,
please
answer
the
second
question
based
on
a
facility's
real
maximum
daily
discharge
to
your
POTW
from
any
one
of
their
batches.
Thank
you
all
for
your
timely
response
back
to
Will
Pettit
at
NACWA.

Bernie
Strohmeyer
HRSD
757­
460­
7042
>
Finalization
of
the
Pretreatment
Streamlining
Rule
is
nearing
the
finish
>
line.
The
National
Association
of
Clean
Water
Agencies'
(
NACWA)
advocacy
>
efforts
have
continued
until
this
11th
hour.
>
WE
NEED
YOUR
URGENT
HELP
to
substantiate
NACWA's
position
on
the
final
>
rule.
>
If
you
could
please
provide
me
with
these
two
critical
pieces
of
>
information
by
COB
today
if
possible,
or
by
noon
tomorrow,
June
16,
it
>
would
do
wonders
for
our
efforts:
>
1.
Total
number
of
ALL
Categorical
Industrial
Users
(
CIUs)
in
your
>
program.
>
2.
Number
of
those
CIUs
that
NEVER
exceed
100
gallons
per
day
on
ANY
day
>
of
the
year.
>
Please
provide
this
information
via
email
to
wpettit@
nacwa.
org
>
<
mailto:
wpettit@
nacwa.
org>
or
by
phone
at
202/
833­
3280.
If
you
have
any
>
questions,
please
don't
hesitate
to
call
me
or
Guy
Aydlett,
Hampton
Roads
>
Sanitation
District,
at
757/
460­
4220.
Thank
you
very
much!
>
Sincerely,
>
Will
Pettit
>
Will
Pettit
>
Manager,
Regulatory
Affairs
>
National
Association
of
Clean
Water
Agencies
>
1816
Jefferson
Place,
N.
W.
>
Washington,
D.
C.
20036­
2505
>
Phone:
(
202)
833­
3280
>
Fax:
(
202)
833­
4657
>
Internet:
www.
nacwa.
org
>

________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message:
21
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
14:
27:
35
­
0600
From:
"
Jeff
Macfarlane"
<
jeff@
ndsd.
org>
Subject:
RE:
PRETREATMENT
STREAMLINING
RULE
­
URGENT
HELP
NEEDED
7
total
CIU's
All
discharge
more
than
100
gal/
day
North
Davis
Sewer
District
Syracuse,
Utah
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message:
22
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
15:
28:
19
­
0500
From:
"
Mark
Shell"
<
marksh@
cctexas.
com>
Subject:
RE:
Maximo?

I
am
the
planner/
scheduler
and
over
pretreatment
here
in
Corpus
Christi
using
Maximo.
Jeff
is
correct.
Maximo
is
best
used
to
generate
work
orders
for
regularly
scheduled
events
such
as
SIU
sampling,
biomonitoring,
plant
sampling,
etc.
It
will
not
store
results
and
deal
with
compliance
issues
like
you
can
in
a
LIMS
database.
Again,
best
for
creating
work
orders
not
entering
and
evaluating
sampling
and
reporting
from
industries.
Ask
the
same
question
again
in
a
year
or
two
and
the
answer
may
be
different.

Mark
Shell
on
maximo
for
about
3
yrs
now
>>>
jeff.
carter@
unitedwater.
com
06/
15/
05
2:
34
PM
>>>
Hey,
Joe!
What
does
your
Backflow/
Cross
Connection
Program
think
about
Maximo?
Most
asset
management
software
does
not
address
regulatory
compliance
issues
without
a
(
pricey)
additional
module.
Is
there
a
LIMS
in
place?
Pretreatment
data
is
generally
easier
to
wedge
into
a
LIMS
environment
than
an
Asset
Management
one.

Jeff
(
home­
made
ACCESS
Pretreatment
data
management
program)
Carter
UW
­
Burbank
740
N
Lake
St
Burbank
CA
91502
To
post
to
the
group,
send
the
posting
to
Pretreatment_
Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
com
.
Yahoo!
Groups
Links
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message:
23
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
15:
44:
45
­
0500
From:
"
Lyman,
Randy"
<
randy_
lyman@
ci.
springfield.
mo.
us>
Subject:
Clarification
of
Response
to
Pretreatment
Streamlining
Questions
FYI
as
follows
in
calendar
year
2004:

1.
Total
number
of
ALL
Categorical
Industrial
Users
(
CIUs)
in
your
program.

24
Permitted
CIU's,
5
of
which
are
permitted
as
"
No
Discharge"
of
process
waters.

2.
Number
of
those
CIUs
that
NEVER
exceed
100
gallons
per
day
on
ANY
day
of
the
year.

1
Permitted
CIU
(
433)
averages
<
100
gals.
per
day,
but
"
batch"
discharge
can
run
5,000
gals.
over
1­
2
days.

5
Permitted
CIU's
are
permitted
as
"
No
Discharge"
of
process
waters.

Randy
Lyman,
REHS/
RS
Environmental
Compliance
Officer
City
of
Springfield,
Mo.
1216
W.
Nichols
St.
Springfield,
Mo.
65802
417­
864­
1925
phone
417­
864­
1918
fax
mailto:
rlyman@
ci.
springfield.
mo.
us
http://
www.
ci.
springfield.
mo.
us/
sanitary/
pretreatment
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message:
24
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
14:
30:
25
­
0700
From:
"
Matt
Thomas"
<
matt.
thomas@
cityofhenderson.
com>
Subject:
Re:
Question
25%
Rule
I
am
also
questioning
the
professionalism
(
or
lack
thereof)
that
some
members
have
demonstrated
over
the
past
few
months.
Although
I
do
question
or
even
disagree
with
some
of
the
members
opinions,
I
do
feel
that
I
need
to
present
my
opinion
in
a
manner
that
is
respectful
to
the
other
members
of
the
group.
I
have
seen
numerous
personal
attacks,
as
of
late,
and
I
think
that
these
attacks
show
a
total
lack
of
professionalism.
Further,
these
personal
attacks
are
distracting
many
of
us
from
the
issues
at
hand
"
PRETREATMENT".

R.
Matt
Thomas
Pretreatment
Inspector
City
of
Henderson,
Dept.
of
Utility
Services
2400
Moser
Dr.
/
P.
O.
Box
95050
Henderson,
NV
89009­
5050
ph.
702­
267­
2650
fax
702­
267­
2651
matt.
thomas@
cityofhenderson.
com
>>>
jamesbaginski@
earthlink.
net
06/
15/
05
12:
30
PM
>>>
To
clarify.
I
developed
the
25%
Rule
FOR
HONOLULU,
I
BELIEVE,
about
9
years
ago
based
on
GT
design
specifications
to
establish
a
consistant
criteria
for
determining
maintenance
frequency.
It
doesn't
matter
to
me
whether
it
was
in
place
somewhere
else
since
I
established
a
reasonable
technical
basis
for
the
purpose
of
it's
application
in
Honolulu.
Now,
I
am
simply
sharing
the
technical
basis
I
used
to
justify
it
for
Honolulu,
in
case
anyone
out
there
has
been
applying
this
criteria
without
having/
knowing
a
technical
basis.
It's
just
that
simple.

I
do,
however,
have
serious
concerns
about
this
system
and
the
level
of
professionalism
being
exhibited
by
some
members.
If
anyone
wishes
to
discuss
FOG
issues
with
me
in
the
future,
please
email
me
directly
at
jamesbaginski@
earthlink.
net
or
call
me
at
808­
358­
9453.
General
inquiries
on
the
system,
I
will
likely
respond
directly
to
your
email.

­­­­­
Original
Message­­­­­
From:
rodney
hyde
<
greasemanfla@
yahoo.
com>
Sent:
Jun
14,
2005
9:
35
AM
To:
Pretreatment_
Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
com
Subject:
Re:
[
Pretreat]
Question
25%
Rule
Wow
what
a
bold
statement,
is
this
like
Mr.
Gore
inventing
the
internet?
I
will
be
out
of
the
office
for
the
next
12
days
so
I
will
have
to
wait
and
see
your
answer
Mr.
Baginski,
but
I
will
drive
extra
fast
to
get
home
to
see
it.
Take
care
and
good
luck
sir.

"
James
Baginski,
P.
E."
<
jamesbaginski@
earthlink.
net>
wrote:
I
believe
I
came
up
with
the
25%
Rule
about
8­
9
years
ago
as
a
system
of
establishing
a
consistant
way
to
determine
grease
trap
maintenance
frequency
for
Honolulu's
pretreatment
program.
The
rule
was
primarily
developed
for
grease
traps
since
at
the
time
most
facilities
were
only
required
to
install
traps
as
a
means
of
FOG
control.
The
way
I
developed
the
rule
was
by
evaluating
the
design
specifications
of
several
different
grease
trap
manufacturers
(
e.
g.
J.
R.
Smith,
Jossam,
Zurn,
etc.).
Each
grease
trap
size
was
rated
for
a
specific
"
Loading"
in
pounds
which
would
indicate
when
it
should
be
cleaned.
By
converting
the
"
Loading"
in
pounds
into
cubic
feet
(
based
on
an
average
specific
weight
of,
if
I
recall,
0.7
lbs/
ft
cubed)
and
dividing
out
the
inside
dimensions
for
length
and
width
you
were
left
with
a
material
depth.
The
depth
of
material
as
a
percentage
of
the
total
liquid
depth
of
the
trap
yielded
a
percentage.
This
analysis
was
performed
for
various
size
grease
traps
for
various
manufacturers.
The
percentages
ranged
between
about
25%
and
30%
depending
on
the
design.
It
was
assumed
that
since
these
traps
were
certified
by
the
PDI
that
the
loadings
were
valid.

To
be
conservative,
I
chose
the
minimum
and
applied
the
percentage
to
floating
FOG
material
and
settled
solids
and
instructed
our
inspectors
to
begin
core
sampling
all
traps
during
every
inspection
(
we
were
and
are
still
inspecting
all
traps/
interceptors
semi­
annually)
to
varify
that
the
maintenance
frequency
meets
the
25%
criteria.
The
criteria
was
adopted
for
larger
interceptors
simply
for
consistancy
in
our
rules.
I
later
included
the
25%
Rule
when
I
developed
Honolulu's
grease
interceptor
sizing
criteria
as
you
may
already
be
aware.
You
should
still
be
able
to
recreate
this
factor
by
crunching
various
grease
trap
manufacturer
design
specification
numbers.
If
anyone
has
any
questions,
please
feel
free
to
call
me
anytime
(
808)
358­
9453.

I'd
also
like
to
apologize
if
I
missed
any
significant
discussions
on
the
system.
I
was
out
of
the
country
for
the
past
2
weeks.

­­­­­
Original
Message­­­­­
From:
autry_
eric
<
eautry@
ci.
redmond.
wa.
us>
Sent:
Jun
14,
2005
8:
23
AM
To:
Pretreatment_
Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
com
Subject:
[
Pretreat]
Question
25%
Rule
Pre­
treaters,

I
know
that
people
are
probably
tired
of
talking
about
the
25%
rule,
but
I
have
a
question
to
ask.
I
think
the
25%
rule
is
a
good
thing,
and
I
am
trying
to
get
it
adopted
to
the
FOG
ordnance
in
my
city.
However
I
am
sure
the
council
members
aren't
going
to
just
approve
this
practice
unless
I
can
give
them
some
data
as
to
why
it
is
a
good
tool
for
measuring
interceptors
and
traps
function.

Who
came
up
with
the
25%
rule?
Did
they
have
data
to
back
it
up?
Who
out
there
is
using
the
25%
rule
and
how
has
it
made
your
FOG
problem
change?
Does
the
25%
rule
override
your
local
limit
for
FOG
discharge?
Do
you
measure
25%
in
the
first
or
last
chamber?
any
other
advice
too!

Any
help
you
can
give
would
be
greatly
appreciated.
Thank
you
in
advance!

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Message:
25
Date:
Wed,
15
Jun
2005
18:
10:
03
­
0400
From:
"
Strzepek,
Rich"
<
rich.
strzepek@
co.
suffolk.
ny.
us>
Subject:
RE:
Question
25%
Rule
I
also
agree
with
Matt.
If
you
feel
the
need
to
challenge
the
validity
of
statements
made
present
them
in
a
factual
non­
inflammatory
manner.
If
you
want
to
"
take
someone
on"
email
them
directly.

Richard
E.
Strzepek,
P.
E.
Director,
Wastewater
Management
and
Pretreatment
Suffolk
County
Dept.
of
Public
Works
Division
of
Sanitation
335
Yaphank
Ave.
Yaphank,
NY
11980­
9736
Phone:
631­
852­
4159
Fax:
631­
852­
4659
JC
­­­­­
Original
Message­­­­­
From:
Matt
Thomas
[
mailto:
matt.
thomas@
cityofhenderson.
com]
Sent:
Wednesday,
June
15,
2005
5:
30
PM
To:
jamesbaginski@
earthlink.
net;
greasemanfla@
yahoo.
com;
Pretreatment_
Coordinators@
yahoogroups.
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Subject:
Re:
[
Pretreat]
Question
25%
Rule
I
am
also
questioning
the
professionalism
(
or
lack
thereof)
that
some
members
have
demonstrated
over
the
past
few
months.
Although
I
do
question
or
even
disagree
with
some
of
the
members
opinions,
I
do
feel
that
I
need
to
present
my
opinion
in
a
manner
that
is
respectful
to
the
other
members
of
the
group.
I
have
seen
numerous
personal
attacks,
as
of
late,
and
I
think
that
these
attacks
show
a
total
lack
of
professionalism.
Further,
these
personal
attacks
are
distracting
many
of
us
from
the
issues
at
hand
"
PRETREATMENT".

R.
Matt
Thomas
Pretreatment
Inspector
City
of
Henderson,
Dept.
of
Utility
Services
2400
Moser
Dr.
/
P.
O.
Box
95050
Henderson,
NV
89009­
5050
ph.
702­
267­
2650
fax
702­
267­
2651
matt.
thomas@
cityofhenderson.
com
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