Virtual Public Listening Sessions on EPA's draft Lead Strategy to Reduce Lead Exposures and Disparities in U.S. Communities
Docket ID: EPA-HQ-OLEM-2021-0762
R4 Public Listening Session 
Date: February 24, 2022
Start Time: 6:00 PM PT (9 PM ET)
Record of Public Comments
(To view a recording of the listening session, please visit: https://youtu.be/XoRe8c8S6ug)

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[Victoria Crouse, NC Child] Hi I'm Vikki Crouse and I'm speaking on behalf of NC Child.
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Thank you for the opportunity to provide public comment, and NC child as a statewide nonprofit agency that promotes public policies that ensure child and family well-being and our agency has been working to reduce childhood exposure in North Carolina.
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One of the things that we'd appreciate seeing more clearly outlined in the strategy is the EPA efforts to identify funding for testing and mitigation.
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As you all know, lack of funding for testing and mitigation is one of the biggest barriers that we hear about from our local communities trying to address lead and drinking water and other sources.
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As you know what that translate into is that more often than not, those who have the financial means to remove lead from their homes are able to do so.
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And that drives deeper disparities in our communities with black and brown communities and low income families being more likely to be exposed to lead the EPA is when grant for small underserved and disadvantaged communities is a good start for addressing
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disparities, but the funding fall short of what all of our states need, and is not sufficient to address lead and more high risk community water systems, as I understand it only a small handful of communities receive funding through this grant each year.
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So making sure that in implementing the strategy that EPA is identifying and advocating for more funding for grants for testing and medication is important.
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Low screening and blood a lead testing rates among vulnerable communities like young children and birding people or another area of concern for advocates and providers in North Carolina.
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Only approximately 100,000 children of almost 2 million in our state are tested for a lot each year. And most of these are children who are enrolled in our state Medicaid program and are required to do so.
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Also in North Carolina lead screening rates are incredibly low among pregnant people because medical providers aren't required to screen pregnant people for lead.
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And more often than not we hear about light exposure from them from those who have already been poisoned.
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We know that the CDC doesn't encourage universal blood lead testing for pregnant people, but we need universal screening among this population particularly among high risk communities, in order to better understand the level of risk and exposure.
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It's vital that the EPA conduct research on this community, to better understand the breath of exposure and to share that research with state public health officials who can help target interventions in these communities.
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So that's just one idea about something that could be more clearly outlined in the strategy.
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And finally, as you all ramp up community education efforts as you outlined in the strategy. It's important to make resources available in multiple languages to reflect the diversity of residents in our states.
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We know from the research that black and brown communities and immigrant communities in particular, face a higher risk of exposure to lead, making sure that you clearly outlined how you're planning to make that information accessible is important.
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[Briana Grosicki, Preservation Action] Thank you for having us and sorry, bad lighting here in the bedroom, but you know, kids home so happy to have to make to you. I'm here representing Preservation Action where America is grassroots lobby for historic preservation, which might not be the
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first field you think of with, with the EPA but let exposure is a key component of our education, particularly for those that are involved in the historic and hands on trades of repairing our historic building stock.
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Well, not every building can be saved.
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When municipality or federal funds are involved with, you know, building needs to come down.
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There is a decision to be made between demolition and deconstruction, and we really urge the EPA to consider in their policies, suggesting guidance on deconstruction as a way of lowering the lead exposure.
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When a building must be taken down instead of mechanical demolition There are numerous studies, sharing that mechanical demolition can emit lead 500 to 600 feet, particularly if it's not what it down and deconstruction the process of taking apart.
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A building by hand, hand by hand, allows us to keep things more contained. And it also allows those materials to be reused. They can be played and delighted and reused.
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We also believe you should look to Portland, Oregon, and Baltimore as cities that have been successful with this deconstruction policy.
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But there is much more for your research action items there isn't more research needed to decide is demolition versus deconstruction and how to help municipalities and authorities make those decisions.
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When to use both. So we really encourage you to consider deconstruction guidance, particularly for CDGB funds that are often used for demolishing houses and poor neighborhoods where we're seeing, you know patterns of the residual impacts of redlining.
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And now these disinvested communities are seeing demolition in their communities and deconstruction might be a better public health twice. Also programs I know it was a one time thing but hardest hit funds through the Department of Treasury was another
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one where a lot of money went towards demolition and it might have been safer to do deconstruction. So, thank you so much.
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[Rebecca Jim, Local Environmental Action Demanded Agency Inc.] Thank you. Thank you very much.
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I'm not sure if you do the camera or not I don't know if you do that. But anyway, I am Rebecca Jim, and I'm the executive director for Local Environmental Action Demanded Lead Agency working in northeast Oklahoma.
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I'm a member of the Cherokee Nation. I'd like to submit my comment on the lead strategy will be undertaking to reduce lead exposures and EJ communities like with disparities like the one I'm speaking for the day.
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EPA knows the dominant sources of lead in the target Superfund site lead us in the soil in the air and in the water, our children and our wider community, breathe, the desk, dig in soil that is to slowly being removed from residential yards, and it's
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failing to deal with the other issue for us indoor air carrying indoor air carrying lead dust from the deteriorated heating and air conditioning ducts that have been buried in mine waist beneath the slab floors of over 1000 homes in Ottawa County, Oklahoma
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contractors are removing the very same substance from yards, but leaving it in the air ducts of these homes, use applicable authorities to reduce this risk EPA must develop and implement the changes to the national standards in keep up with
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the guidance that CDC and a PSD are giving for the protection of children, the lower the actual level of lead in soil cleanup you decide, and re evaluate the work that's already been done to determine that it is still safe produce the children living
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in those homes and do them over. If they need to be.
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Reduce the lead exposure, with the whole EPA and whole of government approach by removing the lead, it's in Ottawa county throughout the country.
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Deal with the lead slowing down to our Creek every day clean the riparian zone, and the neighborhoods in flooded with the contaminated Tar Creek sediment.
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Remove the chat piles that remain in the floodplain and quit the practice of selling the mine waste for use.
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Waste for use, deal with the Boone aquifer and protect the Roubidoux aquifer from contamination us all effort to examine our private drinking water wells and close, close those that the blend is contaminating older homes with lead paint must be addressed and
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train teams dispersed to these communities and all over the country to protect the future workers who are working in these remedial work must be provided showers and cleaning uniforms for their work and continue training and protecting themselves from
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We're hoping that all of these will be added to the strategy.
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In this particular site.
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Thank you.
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[Gary Keller, Citizens Against Gillespie Expansion and Low Flying Aircraft] Thank you.
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I'll be reading from page, 15 of the draft let exposures and disparities and us communities.
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and I'll be talking about general aviation aircraft.
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Currently there are about 20,000 general aviation airports in the U.S. All of these airports cater to planes still using leaded aviation fuel. It is estimated that 16 million people including about 3 million children live within a kilometer of those airports.
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Many are most of these children come from poor economic backgrounds, very low levels of lead and children's blood have been linked to adverse effects on intellect concentration and academic achievement.
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A recent study by Dr. Sammy Zahran has proven not only that children who live near these airports have elevated blood levels. Some of them higher than those found in the Flint water crisis, but also that the 2008 EPA national ambient air quality standard
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for lead of 0.15 micrograms per cubic meter is completely out of whack.
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Each year general aviation aircraft are responsible for 1, million pounds of letting missions across United States. It does not matter if a person breathes and swallows or absorbs lead particles, the health effects are the same.
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However, the body absorbs higher levels of lead when it is breathed in.
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On an average general aviation aircraft craft makeup 70% of all new lead emissions in the U.S. each year in Florida that goes up to a whopping 92% in Mississippi and North Carolina, it is 83%, and South Carolina, it is 81% of all new lighting missions in
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cheer.
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Besides band The highest average percentages of letting mission region five puts out close to 189,000 pounds or 94 tons of lead to the exhaust of general aviation planes each year for the breathing pleasures of our children.
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When the EPA considers working with the FAA on this issue, please consider the words of Congressman Adam Smith.
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The Federal Aviation Administration, the lead federal entity for these issues is simply not equipped to meaningfully address the environmental justice and health equity challenge and talent to sell the missions, the 2021 National Academy of Sciences study
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on Avgas is woefully short of getting real recommendations for fixing the problems. We don't need any more testing. We already have compelling results of elevated blood levels and children.
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I was watching in the early 1970s when the Clean Air Act and the EPA help take away lead from automobile automobile fuel. I am still here 50 years later and there's still let it feel being used.
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Please put the P back into the EPA and put a stop to this continuous poisoning of our children.
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Please finish the job your agency started. Thank you.
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[Ron Saff, PSR] Good evening.
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The American Academy of Pediatrics tells us that anything over one part per billion of lead hurts the brains of our developing children. And we know that the proposed lead and copper role is just not stringent enough to focus has been on testing
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lead levels and drinking water. But we know that the levels can be all over the place on day one day two day three day four levels can be zero but on check it on another day on day five, the levels could be in the hundreds.
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That, that's because lead can intermittently come off the pipes. So what we need is instead of a focus on testing the lead levels in drinking water, the focus should be on filtering, because we know especially in older schools and older homes that there's
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going to be lead and we know that even very very low levels is harmful.
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The American Academy of Pediatrics urges all schools to filter their tap water. And this is exactly what the EPA should be urging people to do to follow the recommendations of the American Academy of Pediatrics here in Florida, we can't, we cannot pass
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legislation, making it mandatory to filter lead and drinking water. We can't pass that legislation we've tried for numerous years. So that's why we need the feds, we need the EPA to shift the focus from testing lead and drinking water.
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Taking all that money and making that money available for filtering, because not only will the filters filter out lead, but it will also filter out harmful chemicals like chromium six and arsenic.
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And we know that under Obama, the President's cancer panel urges all Americans to filter, their tap water they said that the President's cancer panel under Obama.
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So again, what we need to do is we need to shift the focus, and we need to put the money on filtering drinking water, and we need to have the EPA, put the pressure on local utilities to urge them to tell citizens to filter their drinking water.
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We need to do this in school, we need to make it mandatory in schools, and we need to be telling people in their homes that they should filter their tap water. This is nothing new or novel began, it came out under the President's cancer panel under Obama,
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which is part of the National Institute of Health, so please shift your focus from TESTING TESTING TESTING, which can be inaccurate to filtering filtering filtering filtering.
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Thank you.
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[Jerome Shabazz, Overbrook Environmental Education Center/JASTECH] Thank you, and good evening. My name is Jerome Shabazz and I am the Executive Director of the Oak Brook Environmental Education Center, and
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Tech Development Services Inc here in Philadelphia, we're not for profit organization region three. I appreciate this opportunity to provide verbal remarks on strategies to reduce lead exposures and disparities and communities organization has fulfilled
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the requirements of the Toxic Substances Control Act Tosca section 402, and as a result, has received accreditation to conduct lead based paint training pursuant to 40 CFR Part 745225 for renovator repair and paint RP training, approximately 36 months
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ago organization receive state funding to seek out and train up to 100, mostly minority renovators and contractors who work in vulnerable low wealth communities.
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We learned from our post program surveys that not only were the renovate is unaware of our RP rule, but they also had no idea of the potential harm that they were exposing themselves and their respective clients to by not knowing about remediation and
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or containment of lead.
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I am conveying today that you consider assistance that specifically seek to increase the capacity of renovators and contractors to implore lead safe practices particularly while working in at risk communities, small soul and or two person proprietors
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who work in EJ communities need education, tools and training that will enable them to reduce lead exposures and homes and childcare facilities with lead based paint hazards.
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These are frontline workers who have the potential to promote safer places for citizens to live, work, and play, and we encourage more support for those workers, because they have a direct impact on the citizens around the country.
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Thank you.
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[Omega and Brenda Wilson, West End Revitalization Association WERA] Hello everyone and thank you for being here. Good to see Mr. Whitehouse again and to see Mr. Blackman.
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Blackman is our Regional Administrator, our new Regional Administrator. We represent a Western Revitalization Association, and have been for almost three years and never North Carolina's elements in Orange County.
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There are a couple of three things we want to highlight.
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We know about the lead and of course my wife who's sitting right here was a public school teacher for over 30 years and teach students she taught where students who special education students.
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So it wasn't just lead that they were exposed to the cause disabilities for a lifetime. but other kinds of contaminants.
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And we want to raise three particular things that we think this lead rule should address, one is legacy issues. We have a major Western Electric plant in Alamance County, not far from where we live, that was used by the military and Western Electric Telephone,
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and it was used for military purposes, it's been closed for 30 years. This is 27, acres. So it has lived in it it's best to us and all other kinds of chemicals that haven't been cleaned up.
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We know the lead in the place can cause problems, along with the military chemicals that were used there. And that needs to be addressed because where you find lead very often you find other kind of contaminants in that water you on Friday cola Coca Cola
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Cola forms and over kind of pathogens that needs to be addressed in a more structured way. And when this building is torn down and working and get it torn down the cleanup process.
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I think this was your best mentioned that earlier, that should be addressed in a structured way. The other part of it is this aggregate thing of finding these other kind of chemicals and pathogens should be addressed some kind of way.
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In this.
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This plan is strategy. So, some of these things could be handed off to other parts of EPA all the parts of the federal government.
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It should be interagency not siloed just in late, because when you find late. It is an infrastructure issue. It should be addressed in other ways other than just lead by itself.
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Right.
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So the solution should be interagency. When you find other kinds of contaminants that are are pathogens or adverse effects for children and adults. It should be addressed in a holistic way, a whole system way.
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And we don't see that necessarily emphasize here, and legacy facilities like the one I just mentioned Western Electric has been closed for 30 years, it has never been cleaned up with the help of EPA or any other agencies, nor the military, those facilities
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pollute as they exist, and the cleanup process will create other pollution, that needs to be addressed relative to lead and all the other chemical that we find will be found on the exact same site.
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Thank you very much.
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[John Mueller, Private Citizen] Good afternoon. i'm John Mueller.
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I'm in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and I would represent all be at all sensibly, the community of citizens who depend on artificially chlorinated water for their daily needs.
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And I say I'm, this is mainly about fluoridation because it is well documented that fluoridation add lead to our drinking water.
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And there are several different ways that that happens but for now, I'll just say that unfortunately water fluoridation has for far too long been falsely claimed by the CDC and other proponents to be safe and effective.
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But with highest integrity. The current science has revealed that fluoridation is not safe. It has far reaching harmful effects, similar to the effects from arsenic lead and mercury and painful effects on those with chemical sensitivities, its efficacy
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for preventing tooth decay becomes irrelevant. When mental health risks from permanent brain damage are at stake.
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Furthermore, the CDC has the data confirming that fluoridation disproportionately affects blacks and other vulnerable subgroups. But, CDC appears to want to ignore the current science, which has been revealed and studies funded by the institutes of health,
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based on that science and relevant executive orders including Executive Order 14008, a regulatory ban on fluoridation must be imminent.
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Fortunately, President Biden's environmental justice agenda has paved the way to ensure that a nationwide ban on water fluoridation is in fact imminent.
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I am confident that President Biden, and Vice President Harris, have the political will to walk the talk about scientific integrity and environmental justice.
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That's all I have. Thank you very much for this opportunity to express these views.
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[Sharon Hyde, Green & Healthy Homes Initiative] So hi I'm Sharon Hyde I'm Green and Healthy Homes were a national nonprofit and our vision is to advance social determinants of health and racial equity through healthy housing.
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I appreciate y'all in this talk tonight, I have been in the field of lead and lead based paint since around two grant tea with her. We currently in Memphis have several lead funding sources.
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What we would like to see is to support funding for lead to meet the scale of our communities. Let's look at the older houses and make sure we have enough funding to meet every house that has lead poisoning.
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Also we would like to set up the federal disclosure not just a disclosure but actually make renters, and landlords have inspections before they went out to a vulnerable family.
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This includes the selling of properties and making sure that they are less safe, and if they aren't let's say that they are that they are made, let's say, before they are sold or rented out.
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We want to ensure racial equity measures are our measurement all programs that touch, all sorts of lead water soul paint, and to align the investments that we need to advance these environmental justice issues, we'd like to increase the workforce capacity
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by having funds to train contractors to become lead certified and to become risk assessors and have the funding so some of the smaller businesses can afford to do this lead paint work, especially in the Latino community in Memphis.
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We like to restore the integrity of the inter-agency Task Force on lead to a lot and drive federal strategies, especially across drinking water in housing and other sources of exposure and name, a national lead coordinator, that would coordinate federal
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agencies so that CDC HUD, and EPA are all aligned with their goals and initiatives. We like to provide funding for qualified technical assistance programs and providers both to build service provider capacity and help mayor's a lot of federal, state
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and local funding towards concrete definitive goals, which includes lead service lives on the public and private side, not just the public side, but we'd like to ensure that families have resources to fix the lead water in their private hubs.
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We would like to fund state and city lead program prevention as a gap analysis work to better target funding, and identify and break barriers to service delivery and remediation.
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We would like to require all federal lead grantees to have a plan for primary prevention and provide environmental investigations at the CDC BORV of 3.5 milligrams per deciliter all states are not going with this number we want to ensure that this is
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the number across the board for federal agencies and state and local governments, we like to shorten the timeline and require full lead service slide replacement fun technical assistance for jurisdictions to put policies and best practices in place that
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maintain and support full lead service line replacement using models like Newark, New Jersey currently. Thank you.
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[Queen Shabazz, United Parents Against Lead] Thank you very much good Thursday everyone this is Queen Shabazz mother of a lead poisoned son, founder of United Parents Against Lead over 25 years ago.
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And as an elementary school teacher.
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I saw firsthand the effects of the lead on children's behavior as well as their learning abilities. After testing for elementary schools in the City of Richmond, Virginia, Richmond arm school division, we found lead in the water lines, and the water was
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shut off the school was subset subsequently closed and a new school has been built in this place. And I was fired from my teaching position because we discovered the lead and refuse to keep silent about it but alerted the parents and the community.
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So I lost my livelihood. I'm speaking out against this injustice and the poisoning about children. So I'm appealing to EPA to have full that service line replacement.
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Many of our major cities such as Richmond and the oldest cities, due to the infrastructure or finance or finance waiting to happen. We can get in front of it and stop it by having full lead service line replacement so we have pulled into EPA to protect
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environment to protect our children, because the lead is preventable. No child should still be being poisoned by the end 2022 when we know what we can do to prevent it.
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Also appealing to EPA to consider community controlled funds. Too often our local governments, get funds, and they lose the grants or they do not make good on the deliverables proposed and the grant.
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And yet, year after year they're still getting additional funding while our children are still being poisoned our children are still living in substandard not safe homes, and we know many of members of the community you power for one has implemented $2
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$2 million HUD grant, yet we are constantly denied the funding, so consider community control funds and those who are going to implement it, to save our children, because we have proven that we know how to administer these files that we shouldn't have to
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compete with other community based organizations to make our homes and our community safe from lead.
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[Romona Taylor Williams, MS Communities United for Prosperity (MCUP)] I am Ramona Tyler Williams, with Mississippi Communities United for Prosperity we go by MCUP. And I'd like to speak to a project that we were in that we were selected for the thriving Earth exchange cohort for 2022 23, and the project that we are that
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we are focusing on his land in Mississippi, looking at and analyzing how the system is working. And we are putting, we brought together a collaborative, a very diverse collaborative, including Emory University, and also Mississippi State University.
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We now have Mississippi Department of Health, that will be involved.
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What we're finding out is, there are gaps in the system. After a child tests positive and have high levels of layered, and it triggers an environmental investigation.
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From that point it goes to the health department, and it kind of falls through the cracks because Mississippi the state of Mississippi does not have any legislation that
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that I'm going to say mandate for property owners to mitigate the lead. Not only that, none of our Can I think there's only one county in the state that has a lead mitigation program.
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Our focus is on lead, lead based paint and residential there's some work going on around through the Wind program, Mississippi State to look at lead in the water supply systems.
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However, we believe that the majority of the children spend six hours of their time in their homes, and we really need to put a strong focus on lead mitigation and homes.
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Thank you.
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[Gary Keller, Citizens Against Gillespie Expansion and Low Flying Aircraft] The last thing I'd like to say is you're spending millions of dollars on removing of old lead paint, and that's good, that's really good. I don't think you'll ever be able to remove it all but it's a good thing.
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But it's nonsensical and nonproductive if we can continue to put lead into the air and other sources you have to turn off the spigot before you can end the lead.
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So the EPA needs to really look at all the sources of lead and to try to stop them, so that we can have a discontinuation of the lead poisoning about children.
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Thank you. Okay.
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[Catherine Robinson, One Voice] Thank you so much. Hello everyone. I'm Catherine Robinson, I'm with One Voice, I'm based in Jackson, Mississippi. And one of the things that we have been working on is trying to prevent lead in the counties of Mississippi, especially in healthy babies
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right now, for the last few years, Mississippi has been number one for mortality rate when it comes to babies and kids who have unhealthy (indiscernible) because of lead.
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And most of our homes are built before the years of 1970, causing lead to be entered into the system of children as well as adults.
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And so what we are really pushing for is that hopefully the Environmental Protection Agency can as well we have citizens have access to resources such as testing, as well as filters.
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We do know that, Mississippi, of course is known for having one of the highest poverty rates.
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So I know, reaching out for help with a lot of things are costly and a lot of people are not able to afford. So we also try to educate them on how they can get loans as well in Mississippi to try to help with the infrastructure in the lead.
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So of course, I believe one of the main function is that making sure that we have access to resources where we can do testing with into homes.
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But we can make sure that our kids are healthy and safe in the State of Mississippi, as well as coming up a written this plan when we have natural disasters that are causing the water to be off for a period of time, and causing errosion in the pipe that
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is increasing the lead.
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And I think that's about all for me.
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[John Mueller, Private Citizen] I mentioned before that there are several ways that lead gets into the drinking water fluoridation.
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And one of those ways is. It's a contaminant in the Florida solicit acid, that is used to Florida drinking water.
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I'll give you some of my background I'm a retired license civil engineer and I worked me.
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Most of my 25 years in public utilities, including water wastewater treatment processes.
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And I became aware of the floors holistic acid, that is used to fluoridate the drinking water. It comes from the smokestack scrubbers from phosphate fertilizer mining and manufacturing operations, if it wasn't put into specially lined tanker trucks and
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delivered to drinking water treatment plants.
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It would be a toxic hazardous waste not allowed in the water not allowed on the air, the oceans, anywhere, but that's what's used and then, and in the City of Tulsa we were getting our force LASIK acid from the mosaic fertilizer company in Florida, and
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typically was content, very typically invariably was contaminated with arsenic in measurable concentrations.
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A couple years ago they switch to another supplier in Wyoming. And that doesn't have as much arsenic, but it has about 1000 times more lead concentration, then the action level of 15 parts per billion in the safety water act natural primary drinking water
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standards.
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So that's one way that lead gets into the drinking water if you from contaminated fluoridation chemicals and other way is that florists Lucic acid in the piping, in the pipes it enhances the leaching of lead into the water leaching left out of the brass
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fittings lead service lines
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fluorosilicic acid that is put into the water is as a very high, high acidity, its pH of 1.2, very corrosive.
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And that's not only does it get into the water but it exacerbates when it combines with fluoride with lead and fluoride together in the bloodstream, the harm is is compounded, from what I've read.
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There's a lot of there been a lot of scientific studies about this.
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And some of them I'm, I have assurance that have been submitted in additional comments to the EPA and various offices. I have been working. I've had spent.
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I've participated in for public meetings with the White House Environmental Justice Advisory Council, and a number of National Environmental Justice Advisory Council public meetings also wonderful people in those offices with the designated federal officers.
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Matt Tejada and Karen Martin are wonderful people to work with.
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But, so a lot of this information and scientific information documentation has been submitted to the EPA.
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There is a TOSCA a lawsuit pending right now, awaiting a national toxic national toxic toxicity, NTP, National Toxicology Program, final report this supposed to be coming out, the end of next month.
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That has.
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Yes, I'm rambling on too much.
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[Geoff Toy, Private Citizen] Ken Davidson, his presentation said that specific measures and metrics will be developed after receiving comments and will be part of the final strategy.
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Will there be an opportunity to provide comment on the proposed measures and metrics, between before the publication of the final strategy, or should we expect to see those for the first time.
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Any final document. Thank you.

