
                           BOARD MEETING

                        STATE OF CALIFORNIA

                        AIR RESOURCES BOARD











           JOE SERNA JR., CAL/EPA HEADQUARTERS BUILDING

                           1001 I STREET

                       BYRON SHER AUDITORIUM

                      SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA









                   THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 28, 2006

                             9:00 A.M.











    JAMES F. PETERS, CSR, RPR
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                            APPEARANCES



    BOARD MEMBERS

    Dr. Robert F. Sawyer, Chairperson

    Ms. Sandra Berg

    Mrs. Barbara Riordan

    Ms. Dorene D'Adamo

    Supervisor Mark J. DeSaulnier

    Dr. Henry Gong

    Mayor Ronald O. Loveridge

    Supervisor Ron Roberts



    STAFF

    Ms. Catherine Witherspoon, Executive Officer

    Mr. Tom Cackette, Chief Deputy Executive Officer

    Mr. Michael Scheible, Deputy Executive Officer

    Mr. Tom Jennings, Acting Chief Counsel

    Mr. Steve Albu, Assistant Chief, Mobile Sources Control
    Division

    Mr. Robert Barham, Assistant Division Chief, Stationary
    Source Division

    Mr. Dipak Bishnu, Air Resources Engineer

    Mr. Richard Bode, Chief, Health and Exposure Assessment
    Branch

    Ms. Janette Brooks, Chief, Air Quality Measures Branch

    Mr. Michael Carter, Chief, Emission Research & Regulatory
    Development Branch


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    STAFF

    Dr. Bart Croes, Chief, Research Division

    Mr. Bob Cross, Chief, Mobile Sources Control Division

    Mr. Robert Fletcher, Chief, Stationary Source Division

    Ms. Kitty Howard, Manager, Regulatory Assistance Section

    Ms. Peggy Jenkins, Manager, Indoor Exposure Assessment
    Section

    Mr. Bob Jenne, Senior Staff Counsel

    Dr. Ashi Lashgari, Research Division

    Mr. Stephan Lemieux, Manager, On-Road Heavy-Duty Diesel
    Section

    Mr. Mike McCarthy, Manager, Advanced Engineering Section

    Mr. Tom Montes, Air Resources Engineer

    Mr. Kirk Oliver, Senior Staff Counsel

    Mr. George Poppic, Senior Staff Counsel

    Mr. Shobna Sahni, Air Pollution Specialist

    Ms. Dorothy Shimer, Research Division

    Ms. Carla Takemoto, Manager, Technical Evaluation Section

    Mr. Mike Terris, Senior Staff Counsel

    Mr. Michael J. Tollstrup, Chief, Project Assessment Branch

    Mr. Floyd Vergara, Staff Counsel


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    ALSO PRESENT

    Mr. Don Anair, Union of Concerned Scientists

    Mr. Ed Appleton, MFASC/STA

    Mr. Brian Bateman, Bay Area Air Quality Management
    District

    Mr. Sam Bell, MFASC/STA

    Ms. Maria Brook, Willits Resident

    Mr. Jim Bury, Putzmeister, Inc.

    Mr. John Cabaniss, Association of International Auto
    Manufacturers

    Ms. Christi Collins, American Concrete Pumping Association

    Mr. Daniel Cunningham, MFASC/STA

    Mr. Mike Cusach, Conco Pumptin

    Mr. William Davis, APLA, EUCA, SCCA, MCOG & CIAEC

    Mr. Hank de Carbonel, Concrete Pumper

    Mr. Steve Douglas, Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers

    Ms. Paula Forbis, Environmental Health Coalition

    Mr. Frank Grana, MFASC/STA

    Mr. Timothy Gundrum, International Truck & Engine
    Corporation

    Mr. Paramo Hernandez, MFASC/STA

    Mr. Dean High, MFASC/STA

    Ms. Bonnie Holmes-Gen, American Lung Association

    Ms. Jolynn Hoxie, Citizen

    Mr. Allan Jones, MFASC/STA


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    ALSO PRESENT

    Mr. Chung Liu, South Coast Air Quality Management District

    Mr. Ray Lucas, MFASC/STA

    Mr. Bill Magavern, Sierra Club of California

    Mr. John Marrs, MFASC/STA

    Dr. Melanie Marty, Manager, Air Toxicology and
    Epidemiology Section Manager, Office of Environmental
    Health Hazard Assessment

    Mr. Chris McDonald, CFT Concrete Pumping

    Mr. Bryan McLelland, Citizen

    Mr. Jim Nolan, Interstate Concrete Pumping

    Mr. Alan Olick, MFASC/STA

    Ms. Amber Parsons, Performance Concrete Pumpinig

    Mr. Charles Pomeroy, MFASC/STA

    Mr. Ed Pupka, South Coast Air Quality Management District

    Ms. Sylvia Rodriguez, MFASC/STA

    Mr. Mark Rubick, Sacramento Concrete, Inc.

    Mr. David Rudin, Putzmeister, Inc.

    Ms. Anita Sison, Willits Resident

    Ms. Lisa Stegink, Engine Manufacturer's Association

    Mr. Mark Stepper, Cummins, Inc.

    Mr. Glen Stober, Business, Transportation and Housing
    Agency

    Mr. James Thomas, Nabors Well Services

    Mr. Luke Tonachel, Natural Resources Defense Council


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    ALSO PRESENT

    Mr. John Trajnowski, Ford Motor Co.

    Ms. Jill Whynot, South Coast Air Quality Management
    District

    Ms. Jane Williams, California Communities Against Toxics


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                               INDEX
                                                          PAGE

    Pledge of Allegiance                                  1

    Opening remarks by Chairperson Sawyer                 1

    Roll Call                                             12

    Item 06-8-1
         Chairperson Sawyer                               2
         Executive Officer Witherspoon                    3
         Staff Presentation                               3
         Board Discussion and Q&A                         10

    Item 06-8-2
         Chairperson Sawyer                               17
         Staff Presentation                               17
         Board Discussion and Q&A                         20
         Motion                                           24
         Vote                                             24

    Item 06-8-3
         Chairperson Sawyer                               25
         Executive Officer Witherspoon                    25
         Staff Presentation                               27
         Acting Ombudsman Ferreira                        48
         Board Discussion and Q&A                         50
         Ms. Whynot                                       72
         Mr. Pupka                                        76
         Mr. Bateman                                      86
         Mr. Cunningham                                   88
         Mr. Marrs                                        90
         Ms. Rodriguez                                    95
         Mr. Olick                                        97
         Mr. Appleton                                     102
         Mr. Grana                                        103
         Mr. Jones                                        108
         Mr. High                                         111
         Mr. Hernandez                                    114
         Mr. Lucas                                        115
         Mr. Bell                                         118
         Mr. Pomeroy                                      121
         Ms. Williams                                     124
         Ms. Forbis                                       141
         Ms. Brook                                        145
         Ms. Sison                                        149
         Ms. Holmes-Gen                                   151
         Mr. Magavern                                     153


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    Item 06-8-3(cont'd)
         Board Discussion and Q&A                         155
         Motion                                           190
         Vote                                             190

    Afternoon Session                                     192

    Item 06-8-4
         Chairperson Sawyer                               192
         Executive Officer Witherspoon                    192
         Staff Presentation                               194
         Acting Ombudsman Ferreira                        212
         Mr. Douglas                                      213
         Mr. Cabaniss                                     220
         Ms. Stegink                                      221
         Mr. Stepper                                      230
         Mr. Trajnowski                                   237
         Mr. Gundrum                                      240
         Mr. Anair                                        245
         Mr. Tonachel                                     248
         Ms. Holmes-Gen                                   250
         Board Discussion and Q&A                         252
         Motion                                           254
         Vote                                             254

    Item 06-8-5
         Chairperson Sawyer                               254
         Executive Officer Witherspoon                    256
         Staff Presentation                               256
         Acting Ombudsman Ferreira                        273
         Board Discussion and Q&A                         274
         Mr. Liu                                          275
         Ms. Stegink                                      280
         Board Discussion and Q&A                         282
         Motion                                           284
         Vote                                             284

    Public Comment                                        284

    Adjournment                                           324

    Reporter's Certificate                                325


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 1                          PROCEEDINGS

 2           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Good morning.  The September

 3  28th, 2006, public meeting of the Air Resources Board will

 4  now come to order.

 5           Would all please rise and join me in the Pledge

 6  of Allegiance.

 7           (Thereupon the Pledge of Allegiance was

 8           Recited in unison.)

 9           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Will the Clerk of the Board

10  please call the roll.

11           We don't have a quorum yet?

12           Okay.  We'll have the roll as soon as we get our

13  sixth member here.

14           I have a few opening remarks before we get

15  started.  I would like to address the witnesses signing up

16  to speak today.  Please be aware, as usual we'll be

17  imposing a three-minute time limit so that everybody gets

18  a chance to speak.

19           I would like now for everyone in the room to note

20  where the exits are, on your right and your left and in

21  the rear.  If exiting through the rear of the hearing

22  room, please follow the exit signs to the left passed the

23  restrooms.

24           In the event of a fire alarm, we will indeed

25  evacuate this room immediately, exit down the stairways,


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 1  and you will receive directions on where to go.  When the

 2  "all clear" signal is given, we will return to the room.

 3           Finally, I want to note the obvious.  The future

 4  of the Air Resources Board has been greatly altered by the

 5  events of the past month.  The Legislature passed and the

 6  Governor yesterday signed the California Global Warming

 7  Solutions Act of 2006.  This bill assigns major

 8  responsibility to the Air Resources Board for

 9  implementation of both regulations and market-based

10  measures that will reduce California's 2020 greenhouse gas

11  emissions to those of 1990.  Fortunately, other state

12  agencies, the California Energy Commission, the Public

13  Utilities Commission, the Resources Agency, the Integrated

14  Waste Management Board, and others will be working with

15  us.

16           We must remember that our primary mission remains

17  protecting the health of the people of California by

18  improving the quality of our air.

19           Issues of air quality and global warming are, of

20  course, interconnected, generally in a positive way so

21  that actions to improve air quality and to reduce

22  greenhouse gases reinforce each other.  We will be

23  receiving our first report on planning for the

24  implementation of AB 32 at our October Board meeting.

25           Agenda Item 06-8-1.  Anybody in the audience who


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 1  wishes to testify on today's agenda items, please sign up

 2  with the Clerk of the Board.  Also if you have a written

 3  statement, please provide 30 copies when you sign up to

 4  testify.

 5           The first item on our agenda this morning is our

 6  health update.  For the past few years these monthly

 7  updates have provided the Board with briefings on topics

 8  related to our primary mission, to protect the public

 9  health of Californians.  This month staff will discuss

10  recently published research funded by the Air Resources

11  Board on cleaning products and air fresheners and their

12  potential indoor air quality impacts and health

13  implications.

14           Ms. Witherspoon, would you please introduce this

15  item.

16           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Thank you, Dr.

17  Sawyer, and good morning, members of the Board.

18           The research study we'll discuss today was

19  designed to meet two objectives:

20           First, state law directs ARB to assess total

21  exposures of Californians to toxic air contaminants,

22  including indoor exposures.  This study provides data on

23  potential exposures to toxic air contaminants from the use

24  of cleaning products.

25           The second purpose of the study was to


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 1  investigate the reactivity of fragrance compounds in

 2  cleaning products.  Preliminary work by other

 3  investigators indicates that reactive chemistry converts

 4  nontoxic pine and citrus fragrances into secondary

 5  pollutants that may pose health impacts.

 6           Dorothy Shimer, a member of the Health and

 7  Exposure Assessment Branch will make the staff

 8  presentation.

 9           (Thereupon an overhead presentation was

10           Presented as follows.)

11           MS. SHIMER:  Well, thank you, Ms. Witherspoon.

12  And good morning Dr. Sawyer and members of the Board.

13           Thank you for this opportunity to share results

14  from the recent ARB funded study on indoor air chemistry

15  and the possible health implications of this research.

16                            --o0o--

17           MS. SHIMER:  As just mentioned, the study had two

18  objectives:  To identify and measure emissions of toxic

19  air contaminants from cleaning products and air

20  fresheners; and to identify and measure reaction products

21  when cleaning products with reactive compounds are exposed

22  to ozone.

23           The study was conducted at UC Berkeley and

24  Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory with Dr. William

25  Nazaroff as the principal investigator.


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 1                            --o0o--

 2           MS. SHIMER:  Results of this project have been

 3  published in four journal articles and a final research

 4  report to ARB.  The last article listed is in press.  And

 5  my presentation today will focus on the results from the

 6  last three papers listed.

 7                            --o0o--

 8           MS. SHIMER:  The investigators conducted the

 9  study in three sequential tasks.  First they conducted a

10  shelf survey of hundreds of products; then selected 21

11  widely available products, which they screened for

12  compounds listed as toxic air contaminants and compounds

13  that are reactive with ozone.

14           They included at least one disinfectant, a

15  general purpose degreaser, a general purpose cleaner, wood

16  cleaner, furniture maintenance product, spot remover,

17  multipurpose solvent, and air freshener.

18           For the second task, six of the products were

19  selected for the measurement of their emissions in a

20  room-sized chamber during realistic cleaning procedures.

21  Both full strength and dilute forms of the product were

22  tested.

23           Finally three products were selected for more

24  detailed study in the presence and absence of ozone to

25  examine the resultant indoor chemistry and measure


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 1  secondary emissions.  A general purpose cleaner, a

 2  degreaser and an air freshener were tested at common usage

 3  rates and the chamber condition simulated a residential

 4  room.

 5           In the large chamber, ozone was introduced in to

 6  the room using a stream of 120 parts per billion, equal to

 7  the one hour federal standard level.  About half of this

 8  ozone reacted with the surfaces inside the chamber,

 9  leaving about 60 parts per billion available for reaction

10  during the experiment.

11                            --o0o--

12           MS. SHIMER:  For the second and third tasks of

13  the study the scientists developed precise protocols to

14  mop a floor, clean a cook top, and use plug-in air

15  fresheners.  To answer the question posed by this slide,

16  it took one scientist to do the cleaning, and four or five

17  to gather the air quality measurements.

18                            --o0o--

19           MS. SHIMER:  The primary emission results were

20  good news.  Only three toxic air contaminants were

21  identified in the products tested.  Six of the products

22  tested contained glycol ethers, with levels ranging from

23  .8 to 9.6 percent by weight.

24           Two-Butoxyethanol was the most prevalent, and if

25  the airborne concentrations when used in the cleaning


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 1  protocols were below the OEHHA acute reference level of 14

 2  milligrams per cubic meter.

 3           Direct emissions of TACs from cleaning products

 4  and air fresheners did not appear to pose a risk to

 5  building occupants during cleaning activities.  However,

 6  modeled scenarios indicate that a worst-case situation,

 7  such as cleaning all interior windows with low

 8  ventilation, may lead to exposure of 2-Butoxyethanol above

 9  health guideline values.

10           Some products are now likely lower in VOC

11  content, because while the study was under way, ARB

12  regulations decreased the VOC limit by weight for

13  non-aerosol general purpose cleaners, general purpose

14  degreasers, and furniture maintenance products.  Hence,

15  some currently available products will have lower VOC

16  content than the products studied.

17           And 12 of the products contained ozone-reactive

18  compounds at levels ranging from .23 percent to 26 percent

19  by weight.  And these were primarily terpenes.

20                            --o0o--

21           MS. SHIMER:  So what are terpenes?

22           Terpenes are a complex class of compounds found

23  in plant oils.  Common terpenes in cleaning products and

24  air fresheners are alpha-pinene and d-limonene, which are

25  common to pine and citrus oils, respectively.  These


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 1  compounds are used in cleaning products because of their

 2  pleasant odors and favorable solvent properties.

 3  Specifically they can remove grease and oil.

 4           Terpenes are reactive VOCs and, thus, are subject

 5  to the VOC limits for consumer products that I just

 6  mentioned.

 7           The Food and Drug Administration has classified

 8  them as generally recognized as safe, meaning they are not

 9  associated with adverse health effects.  Although some may

10  cause irritation at very high levels.

11           In ambient air, oxidants such as ozone react with

12  terpenes to produce more irritating and toxic compounds

13  such as formaldehyde, acetaldehyde, acetone, formic acid

14  and acetic acid.  Some of these products are toxic air

15  contaminants with documented irritant and carcinogenic

16  properties.

17                            --o0o--

18           MS. SHIMER:  In the chamber study with ozone,

19  reactive chemistry did indeed occur when cleaning products

20  were used.  Formaldehyde levels were elevated by 9 to 16

21  parts per billion for the first four hours after cleaning.

22  These levels from a single cleaning event exceeded OEHHA's

23  chronic reference exposure level of 2.4 parts per billion,

24  and the Proposition 65 no significant risk level for

25  cancer of 1.6 part per billion.


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 1           Particles were emitted as ultrafines.  Then

 2  aerosol aging processes led to particle growth from the

 3  ultrafine to the accumulation mode.

 4           Investigators estimated particle mass from

 5  particle size and number for comparison to ambient air

 6  quality standards.  Results indicate that enough particles

 7  were generated to increase the average PM2.5 mass by 30 to

 8  90 micrograms per cubic meter over a 12-hour averaging

 9  period.  This concentration of ultrafine particles from a

10  single cleaning event is greater than the new national

11  24-hour standard for PM2.5 of 35 micrograms per cubic

12  meter.

13           In an attempt to understand the implication of

14  these results the investigator modeled some high-end use

15  scenarios to estimate exposure for a person using these

16  products.  Calculations indicate formaldehyde intake could

17  exceed the Prop 65 no significant risk level for a

18  professional house cleaner and for a child who has an air

19  freshener as well as an ozone generator in his room.

20                            --o0o--

21           MS. SHIMER:  The results of this study lead us to

22  several conclusions and related implications.  The good

23  news, as stated earlier, is that very few toxic air

24  contaminants are directly emitted from cleaning products

25  and exposures are generally below guideline values.


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 1           However, results of this study do have potential

 2  health implications.  The secondary emissions, that is,

 3  the formaldehyde and particles that formed as a result of

 4  the reaction of terpenes with ozone, may pose a previously

 5  unrecognized exposure and health risk.  Personal exposure

 6  can be elevated due to the close proximity of the person

 7  cleaning to the source of secondary pollutants.

 8           As indicated in the AB 1173 report to the

 9  Legislature on indoor air pollution in California,

10  continued research is needed on secondary indoor emissions

11  to better understand exposures.  It's not adequate to

12  examine and assess only the directly emitted pollutants.

13           Lastly, these results support further reduction

14  of outdoor ozone levels and prevention of indoor ozone

15  emissions.

16                            --o0o--

17           MS. SHIMER:  And this concludes my presentation.

18  And I'd be happy to try to answer any questions you may

19  have.

20           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Do Board members have any

21  questions?

22           Dr. Gong.

23           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Very nicely done.  Thank you,

24  Dr. Sawyer.

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 1  effects related to these studies?  I assume none of the

 2  six scientists got ill from mopping the floors.  But I

 3  don't know that for a fact.

 4           MS. SHIMER:  No, that's correct.  There were no

 5  health effects.

 6           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Okay.  So far as we know.

 7           And the other question is really related to

 8  another oxidizing agent, and that's nitrogen dioxide or

 9  NOx's.  That to me is a more common indoor oxidizing agent

10  than even ozone, because we generate it ourselves quite

11  commonly in various households and offices.  Have they

12  performed any nitrogen oxide studies?

13           MS. SHIMER:  Yes.  In this experiment, one of the

14  scenarios they did was that in the chamber they the

15  cleaning products and went through the cleaning protocol.

16  They also had ozone.  NO2 I think was around 70 some parts

17  per billion.  A trace amount of NO.

18           And they did find that some of the terpenes that

19  did not react with ozone-only reacted.  So presumably the

20  nitrogen species went to a nitrate radical and reacted,

21  and they got different -- some different reaction products

22  and a decline of a couple of the terpenoids that did not

23  decline with ozone alone.

24           ACTING GENERAL COUNSEL JENNINGS:  Dr. Sawyer, we

25  have a quorum now, so it would be appropriate to take the


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 1  roll.

 2           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Would the Clerk of the Board

 3  please call the roll.

 4           BOARD CLERK ANDREONI:  Ms. Berg?

 5           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Present.

 6           BOARD CLERK ANDREONI:  Ms. D'Adamo?

 7           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  Here.

 8           BOARD CLERK ANDREONI:  Supervisor DeSaulnier?

 9           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  Here.

10           BOARD CLERK ANDREONI:  Dr. Gong?

11           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Present.

12           BOARD CLERK ANDREONI:  Ms. Kennard?

13           Mayor Loveridge?

14           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  Here.

15           BOARD CLERK ANDREONI:  Supervisor Patrick?

16           Ms. Riordan?

17           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Here.

18           BOARD CLERK ANDREONI:  Supervisor Roberts?

19           BOARD MEMBER ROBERTS:  Here.

20           BOARD CLERK ANDREONI:  Dr. Sawyer?

21           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Here.

22           BOARD CLERK ANDREONI:  Mr. Chairman, we have a

23  quorum.

24           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

25           Are there any other questions or comments from


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 1  the Board?

 2           Ms. D'Adamo.

 3           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  It just seems to me

 4  intuitively that there should be a problem, because some

 5  of those things smell horrible, some of those cleaning

 6  products.  And so I'm just curious as to why you -- what

 7  methods you used for selection of the 21 products.  Was it

 8  based upon VOC content -- higher VOC contents?  Did you

 9  consider -- I mean I don't know exactly what I'm getting

10  at, except that there are certain products that just smell

11  so horrible and when they're used, you really do have to

12  have a window open.

13           MS. SHIMER:  Yeah, the selection process, they

14  went through hundreds of products, and then kind of

15  narrowed it down to what they thought had the compounds of

16  interest, which were the terpenes and the TACs.  And then

17  they went -- I think they selected about 50.  They further

18  got the material safety data sheets, saw if the compounds

19  of interest were listed, and then they did a screening.

20  So they just kept, you know, narrowing the final three and

21  six products they would be studying.

22           And of the actual products they studied, one was

23  an aerosol product, and it was 26 percent terpene-type

24  compounds.  The air freshener was about 13 percent.  And

25  the general purpose cleaner was 7.6 percent or something


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 1  like that.

 2           So they went through a selection process with the

 3  material safety data sheets looking for compounds of

 4  interest.  Odor per se was not a consideration.

 5           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  Okay.  And then the other

 6  question is:  What about -- I guess there was some

 7  analysis of direct exposure, in other words the person

 8  that's using the product.  Did you consider long-term

 9  exposure, for example, housekeepers that are exposed to

10  this over an eight-hour period everyday, five days a week?

11           MS. SHIMER:  Yeah, but that -- the investigator

12  did some modeling.  And one of the scenarios he modeled

13  was a housekeeper who does this professionally.  And that

14  person would be getting definitely above formaldehyde

15  levels.  But, interestingly, the PM was not above other

16  levels.  And that's -- it's kind of a difficult thing to

17  get a handle on because of different units.  When you

18  consider exposure or dose, you have to consider not only

19  the high concentration in the room, but estimate the

20  amount of time you're in the room and the breathing rate.

21  And so even though there were some really high peaks, the

22  daily intake for particulate matter did not exceed an

23  equivalent standard -- federal standard.  So they got

24  peaks that were really high.  But averaged over a 24-hour

25  day, it didn't exceed the standard.


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 1           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Are there any other -- Dr.

 2  Gong.

 3           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  One follow-up question.

 4           Are there sufficient lessons learned from this

 5  series of research that the ARB can apply to its outreach

 6  program and the information sheets, et cetera, to the

 7  public?

 8           MS. SHIMER:  Certainly.  This type of reactive

 9  chemistry is known particularly in the ambient atmosphere.

10  I think this is a first time that it's been done to this

11  extent in the indoor environment.  And some of the other

12  experiments they did included mitigation exercises.  For

13  example, if the surface is rinsed with water after it's

14  cleaned, it greatly reduces the VOCs that can volatilize

15  and, hence, reactive chemistry that occurs.

16           Likewise, if paper towels, sponges, mops are

17  removed from the house after cleaning, you put them in

18  your garage or whatever, it has a huge impact.  It can

19  reduce the emissions by 50 percent.  So --

20           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Doctor --

21           MS. SHIMER:  That's all.

22           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Doctor, we did

23  talk about this at the staff level and what the

24  implications were and if we should be telling people not

25  to use pine and citrus cleaners through the whole ozone


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 1  season.  But I think the most simple instruction is to do

 2  it in the morning before the ozone levels are elevated and

 3  do it with plenty of ventilation; and as Dorothy just

 4  indicated, to get the cleaning products out of the house

 5  when you're finished, and that would cut the exposure

 6  quite a bit, because the ozone has to be present in order

 7  for these secondary pollutants to form.

 8           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  And dilution of the

 9  chemicals.

10           MS. SHIMER:  Yeah, that -- excuse me -- that was

11  another scenario.  They did dilute form.  And obviously

12  less volatilization with dilute form.  So only use as much

13  as you need.

14           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  So did you answer my question

15  about are we -- is the ARB going to implement it in any

16  outreach event?

17           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Yes.  Yes, we

18  will.  Not putting on an event, but update our materials

19  about indoor air cleaners, in the same way that we suggest

20  people jog during ozone season in the morning rather than

21  the afternoon, that kind of advice.

22           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

23           Since we have no witnesses, is there any further

24  comment from the staff?

25           Since this is not a regulatory item, it's not


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 1  necessary to officially close this record.

 2           The next item on our addenda is 06-8-2, a

 3  research proposal for the Board's consideration.

 4           As usual, I will recuse myself from consideration

 5  and approval of this proposal.

 6           RESEARCH DIVISION CHIEF CROES:  Dr. Lashgari will

 7  present the staff presentation.

 8           (Thereupon an overhead presentation was

 9           Presented as follows.)

10           DR. LASHGARI:  Good morning, Dr. Sawyer and

11  members of the Board.

12           Today we have one research proposal for your

13  review and approval.  This proposal has been reviewed by

14  staff and approved by the Research Screening Committee.

15           I will briefly explain the problem addressed by

16  the proposal, its objectives and the expected results.

17                            --o0o--

18           DR. LASHGARI:  Generally small and medium

19  commercial buildings are served by package rooftop

20  heating, ventilation and air conditioning, the so, called

21  HVAC units.  Nail salons, hardware stores, restaurants,

22  mall shopping centers, auto parts dealers, grocery stores

23  and dental offices are a few of the diverse commercial

24  enterprises within the small and medium commercial

25  building sector.  Californians likely spend a good deal of


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 1  time breathing indoor air within these enterprises.

 2           Aside from schools that have been studied to some

 3  extent, information on these buildings' operation and

 4  maintenance relevant to heating, ventilation and air

 5  conditioning as well as indoor air quality is very

 6  limited.

 7           The California Energy Commission, with the

 8  assistance of the Air Resources Board, has developed a

 9  two-phase field study investigating the ventilation and

10  indoor air quality in small and medium commercial

11  buildings.

12           The first phase will be conducted by UC Berkeley

13  and was brought before the Board in April 2006.

14           This is the second phase of the larger project

15  the contractors will be UC Davis and Lawrence Berkeley

16  National Laboratory.  The budget is a little more than $1

17  million and will be funded entirely by the California

18  Energy Commission.  The duration of project is 27 months.

19                            --o0o--

20           DR. LASHGARI:  With the help of an expert

21  advisory group, the survey part of the project, as

22  previously approved by the Board, will collect size,

23  occupancy, HVAC type and other particular information from

24  the California small and medium commercial building

25  sector.


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 1           The objective of the first phase is to develop

 2  statewide survey information on ventilation

 3  characteristics, including design and performance for HVAC

 4  systems and indoor air quality characteristics.  The first

 5  phase was also designed to guide the selection of

 6  facilities for inspection and to create a contact list of

 7  small and medium commercial building owners and operators

 8  sufficient for properly conducting the field study

 9  program.

10                            --o0o--

11           DR. LASHGARI:  In the second phase the contractor

12  will collect relevant details on heating, ventilation and

13  air conditioning systems as well as indoor environmental

14  quality.

15           The kind of data that would be obtained includes:

16           Operation and maintenance of the HVAC and air

17  filtration systems; indoor air pollutant levels,

18  especially toxic air contaminants and potential pollutant

19  sources; and PM measurements inside and outside to

20  determine air exchange rates.

21           After thorough analysis the contractor will

22  produce the first statewide multi-climate regions

23  representative database that will be used by the

24  California Energy Commission to guide the development of

25  future building energy design standards that protect


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 1  indoor air quality and comfort in California.

 2                            --o0o--

 3           DR. LASHGARI:  The successful execution of this

 4  project reinforces the complementary roles of ARB and CEC

 5  in setting building standards and providing indoor air

 6  quality guidelines.  Therefore, we request that you

 7  approve the resolution for this research proposal.

 8           Than you.  And I will be happy to answer any

 9  questions.

10           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Do Board members have any

11  questions?

12           Dr. Gong.

13           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Thank you.

14           Just one quick question.  I assume that the data

15  derived from this extensive study is not currently

16  available to a sufficient degree for making statements

17  about indoor air.  Is that a safe statement?

18           DR. LASHGARI:  That's correct.  The data on small

19  and medium commercial buildings is very, very rare.

20  There's only one study that has been done nationwide, the

21  so-called VASE study by the Environmental Protection

22  Agency.  And that only included 15 buildings out of the

23  100 buildings in the U.S. and California.  And only 11 of

24  them were small and commercial -- medium commercial

25  buildings in California.


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 1           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Why is that?  Why is there

 2  such scarce data?  I mean I know we've been quite

 3  concerned about outdoor air quality.  But since we spend

 4  more than 80 percent of our time indoors, it seems like

 5  it's sort of a disproportionate certain here.

 6           DR. LASHGARI:  These studies require unique

 7  expertise to carry them out.  Also, they are tremendously

 8  expensive.  As you noticed, a million dollars per 40

 9  buildings in the study.  Also the base study, perhaps when

10  the tally is completed, costs relatively close to a

11  hundred million dollars.  So they are not -- they are

12  difficult to do, they require expertise and they are

13  expensive.  And small and commercial -- small and medium

14  commercial buildings are a very heterogeneous sector, as I

15  made mention to you.  Nail salons to Home Depot type

16  stores, are all covered.  Churches are covered.

17           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  So even 40 may not be that

18  representative of California buildings -- commercial

19  buildings?

20           DR. LASHGARI:  It's our first effort, yeah.

21           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  I assume that the results

22  derived here in California buildings will be able to be

23  extrapolated to other buildings in the United States?  I

24  mean there's more than just California benefits from this

25  study too, I would assume.


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 1           DR. LASHGARI:  There certainly are aspects of

 2  this study that can be extended.  I should note, however,

 3  that California within it has regional climates that are

 4  very, very unique to it.  Interior of the California has

 5  climates that are very unique and, therefore, building

 6  characteristics are very unique, the coastal areas.  For

 7  example, I doubt many people or many businesses run their

 8  air conditioning in the San Francisco area, while in

 9  Sacramento during summertime that is not the case.

10           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Thank you.

11           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Just to follow up on that.

12  My hope would be when they choose the 40 to review, that

13  they do indeed look at the different climate areas of

14  California and then also the different maybe air basins

15  too, because, you know, you never know how people

16  function.  And it would be interesting to see if people

17  maintain air-conditioners better in warmer climates.  They

18  may not actually.  But it would be interesting to see if

19  there is a difference of, you know, attentiveness to

20  changing filters, doing all those things that are

21  necessary, compared to those areas that may turn an

22  air-conditioner on a very few days during a year.

23           So I'm hopeful they'll do a broad look at

24  California, not just one area.

25           DR. LASHGARI:  We will have four particular areas


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 1  in mind.  One will be southern coastal, one will be

 2  southern inland, one would be northern coastal and one

 3  would be northern inland is what we're looking at.

 4           But I do want to make mention that this is only a

 5  first taste of a very, very large, very, very broad area

 6  of California commercial enterprises.

 7           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Oh, sure.

 8           DR. LASHGARI:  Perhaps a good chunk of California

 9  commercial buildings are in this sector.  We're talking

10  about tens of thousands of buildings.

11           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Absolutely.  But at least

12  you're going to have four different regions to look at.

13  That's the main thing, I think.

14           DR. LASHGARI:  Yes.

15           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Thank you.

16           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Just so that I'm clear on

17  what I'm voting on.  On the Phase 2 field study, on the

18  first item, that is being funded by the California Energy

19  Commission.  On the Phase 1 of the next item, we've

20  already approved that.

21           Is there additional funding that is being

22  approved here by approving these research?

23           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  There's no Air

24  Resources Board funding.  But you're voting on the use of

25  the CEC funding.


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 1           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  It's no problem.  Thank you.

 2  I just wanted to be clear.  Thank you.

 3           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  I'd like to remind Board

 4  members of our policy concerning ex parte communications.

 5  While we may communicate off the record with outside

 6  persons regarding Board rule making, we must disclose the

 7  names of our contacts and the nature of the contents of

 8  our communications on the record.  This requirement

 9  applies specifically to communications which take place

10  after the public agenda of the Board hearing has been

11  published.

12           Are there any communications that you need to

13  disclose?

14           Hearing none, I assume that all members of the

15  Board had the opportunity to review the proposal.  And if

16  there are no additional concerns or comments, do I have a

17  motion to adopt Resolution No. 624?

18           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  So moved.

19           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Second, Mr. Chairman.

20           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  And it's been moved and

21  seconded.

22           All those in favor please say aye.

23           (Ayes.)

24           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  And opposed?

25           And please record me as abstaining.


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 1           Since this is not a regulatory item, it is not

 2  necessary to officially close the record.

 3           The next item for our consideration is Agenda

 4  Item 6-8-3, proposed amendments to airborne toxic control

 5  measure for chrome plating and chromic acid anodizing

 6  operations.

 7           (Thereupon an overhead presentation was

 8           Presented as follows.)

 9           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  These amendments are

10  important from the perspective of reducing neighborhood

11  exposures to hexavalent chromium.  They also take

12  advantage of the most advanced control technologies

13  available by updating what counts as BACT, or best

14  available control technology, for these facilities.

15           Ms. Witherspoon, would you please introduce this

16  item and begin staff's presentation.

17           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Thank you, Dr.

18  Sawyer.

19           Hexavalent chromium is one of the most potent

20  compounds that the Board has identified as a toxic air

21  contaminant, second only to dioxins.  Because of this

22  potency, exposures to hexavalent chromium are dangerous at

23  very small amounts.

24           And we have a special visitor with us today, Dr.

25  Melanie Marty, from the Office of Environmental Health


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 1  Hazard Assessment, if you have questions about health

 2  effects during the course of this item.

 3           Over the years this Board and local air districts

 4  have taken several regulatory actions to reduce public

 5  exposure to hexavalent chromium.  In 1998 -- excuse me --

 6  1988 this Board adopted chrome plating regulations and you

 7  amended them ten years later, in 1998.  Those regulations

 8  together reduced statewide chrome emissions by more than

 9  95 percent.  In addition, the South Coast Air Quality

10  Management District adopted amendments in 2003 that

11  further reduced emissions from chrome operations in their

12  district.

13           As a result of these actions, ambient levels of

14  hexavalent chromium in California have been reduced by 70

15  percent over the last 15 years.

16           Unfortunately, there is still a significant

17  near-source risk.  Staff has found several facilities that

18  pose a cancer risk in excess of 10 in a million per

19  persons exposed.  Also, these facilities are frequently

20  located within communities, often near sensitive

21  receptors, such as homes, schools, and day care centers.

22  Our proposal today is designed to reduce this risk through

23  the application of best available control technology.

24           In our presentation and in the testimony today,

25  you'll hear a lot about the economic impacts of this


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 1  regulation.  Clearly some facilities will have difficulty

 2  complying, particularly if they cannot recover their

 3  investment costs through increased prices.  And some may

 4  stop working in the chrome plating profession altogether.

 5  Staff is sensitive to the economic impacts of this

 6  regulation and have incorporated flexibility wherever we

 7  could to minimize costs.

 8           You also hear that the rule is not stringent

 9  enough because we are not recommending HEPA filters or the

10  equivalent for every source of hexavalent chrome.  Staff

11  believes we've crafted a protective rule and that the

12  flexibility for smaller platers who use fume suppressants

13  will not pose an unreasonable risk.

14           I'll now turn the staff presentation over to Ms.

15  Shobna Sahni of the Stationary Source Division.

16           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  Good morning,

17  Dr. Sawyer and members of the Board.

18           Today we are proposing for your consideration

19  amendments to the control measure for chromium plating.

20                            --o0o--

21           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  The presentation

22  will cover the topics on this slide.  First, some

23  background on hexavalent chromium and chromium plating and

24  chromic acid anodizing facilities.

25                            --o0o--


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 1           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  In 1986 the Air

 2  Resources Board identified hexavalent chromium as a toxic

 3  air contaminant.  The Board found that hexavalent chromium

 4  is an extremely potent human carcinogen and that no level

 5  of exposure is considered safe.  Inhalation of this

 6  compound causes lung cancer.  Because of the extreme

 7  potency of hexavalent chromium, even grams of emissions

 8  pose a significant public health risk.

 9           I'd like now to introduce Dr. Melanie Marty of

10  the Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment, who

11  will discuss some of the health impacts related to

12  exposure to hexavalent chromium.

13                            --o0o--

14           OEHHA AIR TOXICOLOGY AND EPIDEMIOLOGY SECTION

15  MANAGER MARTY:  Good morning, members of the Board.

16           There.  Now I'm on.

17           Good morning.  I just wanted to go over a few

18  things about hexavalent chromium to put it into

19  perspective why people are concerned about exposures.

20           Hexavalent chromium is a known human carcinogen.

21  It's been declared as such since at least 1980 by the

22  International Agency for Research on Cancer, U.S. EPA and

23  our National Toxicology Program all consider hexavalent

24  chromium to be a human carcinogen.  It's also carcinogenic

25  in animals.  There are literally dozens of worker studies


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 1  that have shown over the years high risks of lung

 2  cancer -- and this is going back into the forties and with

 3  case reports back in the thirties -- in the chromate

 4  production, chrome pigment and chrome plating industries.

 5  This is a very carcinogen in humans.  It causes genetic

 6  damage.  In other words it damages your DNA.  And that's

 7  been shown in many studies.

 8                            --o0o--

 9           OEHHA AIR TOXICOLOGY AND EPIDEMIOLOGY SECTION

10  MANAGER MARTY:  In addition to being a carcinogen,

11  Chromium 6 also has other toxicity.  It is an immune

12  sensitizer, which means it causes workers to become

13  allergic.  So there are health effects in workers related

14  to dermatitis, which is some allergic reaction on your

15  skin.  It's also a known occupational asthma hazard.  So

16  individuals who become sensitized can then have allergic

17  asthma in response to exposure to hexavalent chromium.

18           It also increases the risk of noncancer

19  respiratory disease in workers, in putting measured

20  decreases in lung function, and damage to the lining of

21  the nose and the airways.

22                            --o0o--

23           OEHHA AIR TOXICOLOGY AND EPIDEMIOLOGY SECTION

24  MANAGER MARTY:  This table is meant to portray the potency

25  of hexavalent chromium in relation to other toxic air


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 1  contaminants that have been identified by the Board.  If

 2  you assign hexavalent chromium a potency of 1 -- a

 3  relative potency of 1, you can see that there's only one

 4  other TAC so far identified by the Board that is more

 5  potent than hexavalent chromium as a carcinogen.  And that

 6  is the dioxin and the whole class of chlorinated dioxins

 7  and furans.

 8           Cadmium is the next one down.  And it's, you

 9  know, only 3 percent of the potency basically of

10  hexavalent chromium.

11           A number of those, by the way, are known human

12  carcinogens.

13                            --o0o--

14           OEHHA AIR TOXICOLOGY AND EPIDEMIOLOGY SECTION

15  MANAGER MARTY:  The cancer potency factor that's been in

16  use for CalEPA, including ARB, was generated by CalEPA's

17  Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment -- this

18  was back when we were in the Department of Health

19  Services -- using human studies.

20           We have kept our finger on the pulse in part

21  because our drinking water program is very involved in

22  looking at hexavalent chromium.  And so we have kept pace

23  with the new human studies.  These studies have reinforced

24  the status of hexavalent chromium as a potent human

25  carcinogen.  In using the most recent study, that has very


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 1  good exposure data -- that study is by Gibb and

 2  colleagues -- we have looked at those data, looked again

 3  at the potency, and it supports the potency we're already

 4  using.  You can use different models with those data, and

 5  you get maybe a little under or a little over the existing

 6  potency, but it does support.  The use of that number is a

 7  good -- it's a good number.

 8           And that's it for me.

 9           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you very much.

10           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  Thank you, Dr.

11  Marty.

12                            --o0o--

13           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  After

14  identification of hexavalent chromium as a toxic air

15  contaminant, airborne toxic control measures, or ATCMs,

16  were adopted to reduce emissions from many sources.

17           Air districts are required by law to implement

18  the ATCMs and can also adopt rules that are more

19  stringent.  This was the case when the South Coast Air

20  Quality Management District amended their Rule 1469 to

21  further reduce emissions and exposure from chromium

22  operations.

23                            --o0o--

24           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  Because of our

25  regulations, the regional risk from hexavalent chromium


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 1  has been significantly reduced.  Ambient levels have

 2  declined by about 70 percent.  These levels continue to be

 3  stable and low.  Emissions from chromium plating and

 4  chromic acid anodizing facilities do not contribute

 5  significantly to ambient concentrations and regional

 6  health risks.

 7                            --o0o--

 8           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  However,

 9  near-source risk is still of concern.  As a result of the

10  existing ATCM, emissions from some plating and anodizing

11  facilities have been controlled by 95 percent and other

12  facilities have controlled emissions by 99 percent.  Other

13  air district rules or policies have also required further

14  control.

15           Even with these reductions, 30 percent of the

16  facilities currently have estimated cancer risk of greater

17  than or equal to 10 in a million.  The focus of the staff

18  proposal today is to address these near-source risks.

19                            --o0o--

20           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  The next few

21  slides describe the chrome plating and anodizing

22  facilities in California.

23           First of all, there are three processes as shown

24  on the slide.  Each of these processes requires parts to

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 1  During chrome plating when electrical current is applied

 2  to the solution, the chromium deposits on to the part.

 3  Thus the part is plated.

 4           During the electrolysis bubbles are produced.

 5  When they burst at the surface, a fine mist containing

 6  hexavalent chromium is emitted.

 7                            --o0o--

 8           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  The difference

 9  between hard and decorative plating is the thickness of

10  the deposit.

11           Hard chrome plating provides a relatively thick

12  layer of corrosion protection which is accomplished by

13  plating for very long periods of time.

14           Decorative chrome plating provides a thin layer.

15  And as shown on the slide, a typical application is a

16  shiny chrome-plated wheel.

17           The chromic acid anodizing process seals the

18  parts, providing corrosion and abrasion resistance.

19                            --o0o--

20           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  This slide shows

21  the distribution of the various chrome plating facilities.

22                            --o0o--

23           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  The next slide

24  shows a chrome plating tank.  To plate parts, they are

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 1  solution of chromium.  When electricity is supplied to the

 2  tank, the chromium and the solution deposits on to the

 3  part.

 4                            --o0o--

 5           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  In 2003 our

 6  survey identified 220 hexavalent chromium plating and

 7  anodizing facilities and 10 decorative chrome plating

 8  facilities using the trivalent chromium process.  About

 9  half of these businesses are small, with gross annual

10  revenue less than or equal to $1 million.  75 percent are

11  located in the South Coast Air District.

12                            --o0o--

13           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  Emissions are

14  calculated using an emission factor and multiplying by

15  amp-hours, which is a measure of throughput.  An amp-hour

16  is the amount of current applied to the tank over time.

17  Therefore, as amp-hours increase, emissions increase.

18           There is a wide distribution in facility size

19  based on throughput.  This can be seen in the next slide.

20                            --o0o--

21           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  Over 20 percent

22  of the facilities are small, with less than or equal to

23  20,000 annual amp-hours.  About 30 percent of facilities

24  have annual amp-hours of over 1 million.  Some of the

25  largest facilities have over 10 million amp-hours per


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 1  year.

 2                            --o0o--

 3           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  Many control

 4  methods are currently used to comply with the existing

 5  ATCM.  Most decorative plating operations use in-tank

 6  controls, including chemical fume suppressants.  These are

 7  chemicals that reduce chromium emissions by reducing the

 8  surface tension of the solution.

 9           The picture shows a tank which is using polyballs

10  as part of the emission control.

11                            --o0o--

12           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  For most hard

13  chromium plating facilities add-on controls are required.

14  Some of the controls are listed on the slide.  Generally

15  these types of controls are more efficient at reducing

16  emissions than are in-tank controls alone.  Some districts

17  have required add-on controls to reduce emissions from

18  larger decorative chrome plating facilities.

19           HEPA filters, among the most common form of

20  add-on controls, have been shown to control emissions by

21  99.97 percent.  Many facilities use a combination of

22  in-tank and add-on controls to reduce emissions.

23                            --o0o--

24           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  Based on our

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 1  available control technology, or BACT, for this industry.

 2           For intermediate and large facilities staff

 3  believes BACT is use of HEPA filtration devices or other

 4  controls which achieve an emission rate equivalent to HEPA

 5  systems.

 6           Large facilities with higher risk would be

 7  required to use effective add-on controls to meet the

 8  emission rate.

 9           For small facilities that can achieve lower risk

10  levels with less efficient control methods, staff believes

11  BACT can be met through the use of specific chemical fume

12  suppressant which reduces emissions to .01 milligram per

13  amp-hour.

14                            --o0o--

15           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  We have

16  determined that there is a need for further control based

17  on factors shown here.  In general, these sources have

18  elevated exposures, are located close to sensitive

19  receptors, and are located within communities.  In

20  addition, BACT can significantly reduce risk.

21                            --o0o--

22           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  As mentioned,

23  staff believes further control is warranted because the

24  remaining cancer risk near many facilities is elevated.

25  As the table shows, about 30 percent of the facilities


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 1  have cancer risk greater than 10 per million exposed

 2  people and another 30 percent have risk between 1 and 10

 3  per million people exposed.

 4           Although not shown, 40 percent of facilities have

 5  estimated cancer risks of less than 1 per million people

 6  exposed.

 7           These numbers do not account for potential

 8  fugitive emissions which, as we learned from our Barrio

 9  Logan study, can be quite high.

10                            --o0o--

11           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  Now I'd like to

12  summarize the proposed amendments, which are designed to

13  reduce these remaining near-source cancer risk.

14                            --o0o--

15           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  In accordance

16  with state law, the proposal would require BACT for all

17  facilities.  By applying BACT, near-source risk for about

18  90 facilities would be reduced by up to 85 percent.

19  Overall cancer risks for over the 90 percent of the

20  facilities would be below 10 per million people exposed.

21           The proposal would also reduce exposure and risk

22  from new facilities by not allowing new operations in

23  communities.

24           Because we've learned that fugitive emissions

25  also impact communities, housekeeping requirements would


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 1  reduce dust.

 2                            --o0o--

 3           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  This table shows

 4  the proposed emission limits.  As you can see, the

 5  effective date of the requirements take into account

 6  emission potentials and proximity to sensitive receptors.

 7           To prevent the operation of new hexavalent

 8  chromium and anodizing facilities near sensitive

 9  receptors, the proposal would prohibit operation of these

10  new facilities in any area zoned residential or mixed use

11  or within 150 meters from the boundary of any such area.

12           As you will see when we discuss modifications, we

13  are proposing to increase this distance to 300 meters,

14  which would be consistent with ARB's land-use guidelines.

15                            --o0o--

16           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  We are also

17  proposing housekeeping measures to control dust emissions

18  and a training requirement to assure continuous

19  compliance.

20           We are also proposing to prohibit the sale or use

21  of chromium plating and anodizing kits by untrained

22  people.  We have seen these kits for sale on the Internet

23  and in catalogs.

24                            --o0o--

25           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  Facilities


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 1  complying with chemical fume suppressants would be

 2  required to use one or more of the products listed here.

 3                            --o0o--

 4           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  Staff has

 5  proposed modified and new definitions.  We would like to

 6  highlight the definition of sensitive receptor.  This

 7  includes any residence, educational resources, day care

 8  centers and health care facilities.  This is consistent

 9  with the thermal spring ATCM definition already approved

10  by the Board.

11           There's also an organizational change which would

12  renumber the ATCM.

13                            --o0o--

14           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  No substantial

15  changes are proposed for the sections listed here.

16           In addition, the appendices would be contained in

17  new section 93102.16.

18                            --o0o--

19           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  The next few

20  slides outline the benefits and impacts of the staff's

21  proposal.

22                            --o0o--

23           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  The greatest

24  benefit from adoption of the proposal would be a

25  significant reduction in near-source cancer risk.  Note


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 1  that no facilities would have cancer risk over 100.  Also

 2  by applying BACT an additional 46 facilities would have

 3  reduced cancer risk to below 10 per million people

 4  exposed.

 5           Only six facilities would have estimated cancer

 6  risk of over 25 per million exposed people.  These

 7  facilities would be required to conduct a site-specific

 8  analysis to determine if further measures to reduce risk

 9  are necessary.

10           Seventy-four percent, or 162 facilities, would

11  have estimated cancer risk of less than or equal to 1 per

12  million exposed people.  This is an increase of 72

13  facilities compared to the current status.

14           Overall, out of 220 facilities, 203 or, 92

15  percent, would have estimated cancer risk of less than or

16  equal to 10 per million exposed people.

17           Fugitive emissions that would be reduced through

18  housekeeping measures are not included in these health

19  risk numbers.

20                            --o0o--

21           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  Because many of

22  the facilities are located in low-income and ethnically

23  diverse neighborhoods, these communities would realize a

24  significant benefit from implementation of the proposal.

25                            --o0o--


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 1           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  We did not

 2  identify any significant adverse environmental impacts

 3  that would occur from adoption of the proposed amendments.

 4                            --o0o--

 5           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  The total cost

 6  of the proposal is estimated to be $14.2 million.  Of this

 7  amount, capital costs are estimated to be $9.6 million.

 8  Ongoing costs of $3.6 million are also estimated.

 9           Next slide please.

10                            --o0o--

11           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  These costs are

12  associated with, for example, filter replacement and

13  disposal, chemical fume suppressant use and electrical

14  uses to operate the equipment.

15           Reporting, source testing, permit renewal, et

16  cetera, costs are estimated to be $1 million.

17                            --o0o--

18           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  This slide shows

19  estimated individual facility costs.  Note that 60 percent

20  of the facilities are in substantial compliance and after

21  the first year would have no new costs.

22           Costs for facilities installing add-on control

23  devices ranges from about 45,000 to 215,000 per year.

24  Intermediate size facilities successfully complying

25  without add-on controls would have initial cost of about


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 1  $10,000, with ongoing costs related to chemical fume

 2  suppressants of between 100 to $200.

 3           Average initial cost for a small facility using

 4  chemical fume suppressants would be about $2,000 in the

 5  first year only.  After the first year, costs would be

 6  about $100 for chemical fume suppressants.

 7           Average initial costs for a facility in

 8  substantial compliance would be about $5,000.

 9                            --o0o--

10           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  While we

11  estimate the average profitability impacts for the

12  industry would not be significant, costs for some

13  individual businesses are expected to be significant and

14  may adversely impact their profitability.

15           Our cost analysis estimated that return of

16  owner's equity for some businesses may decline by up to 41

17  percent.  Return on owner's equity is a measure of

18  profitability.

19           Some of these businesses may be able to secure

20  the necessary capital by participating in the loan

21  guarantee program.

22                            --o0o--

23           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  Next I would

24  like to apprise you of several key issues.  We will be

25  discussing our responses to the issues after the


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 1  testimony, if necessary.

 2                            --o0o--

 3           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  Comments have

 4  been received that the cost of the proposal is high, while

 5  emissions from plating and anodizing are low, about four

 6  pounds per year.

 7           Staff acknowledges that the costs are high.  But

 8  these businesses are located in communities and, to

 9  protect these neighborhoods, require costly controls.

10                            --o0o--

11           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  We've had

12  comments related to the emission control approach.  These

13  include that the provisions of South Coast AQMD Rule 1469

14  should be adopted statewide.  We do not think this rule is

15  as prospective as our proposal because BACT is not

16  required for all facilities.

17           We've also been asked to provide flexibility for

18  facilities with over 200,000 amp-hours to meet the

19  emission rate without add-on controls.

20           In contrast to this, we've also been asked to

21  require HEPA filters for all facilities because these are

22  the most reliable control technologies.

23           We believe the proposal provides a good balance

24  between cost of control and health risks.  Facilities

25  which present the highest risk should have the most


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 1  effective controls with operating parameters that are easy

 2  to monitor.  We also believe providing flexibility for

 3  smaller facilities is appropriate because of their lower

 4  risk.

 5                            --o0o--

 6           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  We've received

 7  comments that use of the trivalent chromium should be

 8  required for decorative chrome platers.  We evaluated this

 9  approach and have determined that it is not yet feasible

10  for all applications.

11           Comments have been received that the ATCM should

12  address situations where people are allowed to move in

13  close to plating facilities and that cumulative impacts

14  should be addressed.  Our proposal is designed to reduce

15  emissions to the extent technology allows.  We are hopeful

16  that the land-use guidance document will prevent the

17  situations where zoning changes allow siting of residences

18  near plating operations.  With regard to cumulative

19  impacts, no methodology has yet been worked out to address

20  these situations.

21           To be consistent with the land-use guidance we've

22  been asked to extend the separation requirement for new

23  facilities to 300 meters.  We agree and are proposing this

24  change.

25                            --o0o--


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 1           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  We are proposing

 2  some modifications to our proposal.

 3                            --o0o--

 4           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  This slide shows

 5  some of our proposed modifications.  Of note is that we

 6  are now proposing that the separation distance for new

 7  facilities be increased from 150 meters to 300 meters.

 8  This would be consistent with the earlier land-use

 9  guidance.  As a further measure of protection we are

10  proposing that new facilities could now operate within 300

11  meters -- could not operate within 300 meters of a school

12  or a school under construction.

13           Also the separation requirements for new

14  trivalent chromium facilities is proposed for deletion

15  because it is not a carcinogen.  Instead trivalent

16  chromium facilities would be required to do a facility

17  site-specific risk analysis.

18           We are also clarifying that compliance training

19  would be required for the owner or a current employee.

20                            --o0o--

21           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  For facilities

22  currently using chemical fume suppressants to comply we

23  are proposing that within six months after the rule

24  becomes effective that these facilities must begin using

25  the specified chemical fume suppressants.


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 1                            --o0o--

 2           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  This slide shows

 3  some additional modifications.  Most of these are to

 4  further clarify various provisions.

 5           One clarification would relate to alternatives to

 6  be approved by U.S. EPA.

 7           We are clarifying that the alternative relating

 8  to equivalent emission reductions would only be applicable

 9  for the existing standards in Section 93102.4A.

10                            --o0o--

11           AIR POLLUTION SPECIALIST SAHNI:  Staff's

12  recommendation.

13           We recommend that the Board adopt the proposed

14  amendments with the proposed modifications suggested by

15  staff.

16           Thank you.  This concludes my presentation.  We

17  would be happy to answer any questions you may have.

18           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

19           At this time would the representative of the

20  Ombudsman's office please describe the public

21  participation process that occurred while this item was

22  being developed and share any concerns or comments you may

23  have with the Board at this time.

24           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  Yeah, could I ask a --

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 1  members of the Board.

 2           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Mayor Loveridge.

 3           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  You mentioned something

 4  about a Barrio Logan study.  Could you expand on that a

 5  little bit.  It seemed to be important, but maybe I just

 6  missed it in the presentation.  But what was --

 7           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  The

 8  Barrio Logan study was -- this is Carla Takemoto, by the

 9  way.

10           The Barrio Logan study was a air monitoring study

11  that we conducted in a neighborhood in San Diego.  And

12  there were community concerns about the location of some

13  plating shops in relation to where residences were

14  located.  And what we found in this study is that

15  emissions from a decorative chrome plating shop exceeded

16  what we would have expected if our emission rate and our

17  emission factor for decorative plating facilities was

18  correct.  And as a result of this study we began an

19  evaluation of our own control measure to make sure that it

20  continued to provide the needed health protection.  And

21  those findings were very important to us in this

22  evaluation.

23           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  What kind of distances

24  were involved?

25           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Actually


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 1  we had a situation where we had a residence located

 2  directly between two plating shops, such that I would say

 3  that the distance between the residence and the plating

 4  shop was maybe 25 meters.  And then on the other side of

 5  the residence was a hard chrome plating operation that was

 6  controlled with a HEPA filtration system.

 7           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  We will be returning to the

 8  Board members for questions following the Ombudsman's

 9  statement.

10           ACTING OMBUDSMAN FERREIRA:  Dr. Sawyer and

11  members of the Board.  To develop this regulation staff

12  has worked with the chromium plating and anodizing

13  industry by contacting businesses individually.  They also

14  worked with two industry associations Metal Finishing

15  Association of Southern California and Surface Technology

16  Association.  Additionally staff contacted manufacturers

17  of chromium plating kits and chemical suppliers to the

18  plating industry.

19           The first stakeholder meeting was held in January

20  2002.  The first draft regulatory concepts were shared

21  with stakeholders at the May 2006 workshops.  The initial

22  draft of the regulation was posted on the website on June

23  7th and stakeholders were notified through a list serve.

24           There were four public workshops.  The first

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 1  the third on August 21st, and the fourth on August 23rd.

 2  Staff also held nine workshops -- I'm sorry -- nine

 3  stakeholder meetings.

 4           The workshops and the work groups were held in

 5  multiple areas of the state to ensure that all

 6  stakeholders had an opportunity to participate.  On

 7  average, 20 to 30 stakeholders attended the meetings.

 8  Generally the attendance was higher in southern California

 9  than northern California.

10           Staff also had seven conference calls with air

11  districts, environmental groups, and the industry

12  associations.

13           Emissions testing was conducted in South Coast,

14  San Joaquin Valley, Sacramento Metro, and Shasta County

15  Air Districts.

16           Over the course of the emissions testing program,

17  from 2003 to 2006, protocols for source testing and source

18  test reports were posted to the web for comments.  The

19  source tests for Phase 1 of the emissions testing program

20  was conducted in the South Coast Air Basin during 2003

21  through April 2003 -- I'm sorry -- January 2003 through

22  April 2003.

23           Phase 2 of the testing program required

24  development of a new protocol.  Because of this staff

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 1           The Phase 2 source tests were conducted in

 2  Sacramento, San Joaquin Valley and Shasta County.  All

 3  reports of the source tests were also posted to our

 4  website.  The staff report was released on August 11,

 5  2006.  It was noticed on the website on August 10, 2006.

 6           The hearing notice and staff report were also

 7  sent to our mailing list.  Nearly 400 stakeholders

 8  received the information through the mail, and

 9  approximately 450 received the information via the list

10  serve.

11           This concludes my comments.

12           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

13           Do any of the Board members have questions at

14  this time?

15           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  I'll save mine.

16           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Okay.  No?

17           Dr. Gong?

18           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  I'd just like to preface

19  this.  I'm looking forward to the discussion period as

20  well.

21           My initial reading of the staff paper was I think

22  very favorable.  I was very disappointed in one aspect of

23  the staff paper in that it did not call attention to the

24  air quality and land use handbook that was published in

25  April of last year.  Perhaps I have a little bias in that


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 1  because I sort of helped with that development.  But I

 2  think that's very important, because the chromium issue

 3  was certainly one of the pivotal events pointed out in

 4  that particular document.

 5           And I realize it's only recommendations.  But I

 6  think as an organization, as a public health entity, in

 7  essence, we need to be consistent in our numbers.  And I'm

 8  very happy that you made it consistent with your

 9  modifications today.

10           And I think I'll just hold with that.  Thank you.

11           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Ms. Berg.

12           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Thank you.

13           I just have a couple of questions to start out

14  with.

15           On slide number 37, you indicated that 60 percent

16  of the facilities are in substantial compliance.  I was

17  wondering if those facilities are in a specific area.

18  And, secondly, what circumstances brought them under

19  compliance?

20           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  This is

21  Carla Takemoto.

22           The facilities are distributed in various parts

23  of the state where -- the air districts that do have

24  plating shops that are in substantial compliance.  The

25  facilities are in substantial compliance for a number of


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 1  reasons.  Among them is that to comply with the current

 2  ATCM requirements, many facilities already were required

 3  to install add-on controls and reduce their emissions

 4  significantly.  And there are a number of facilities with

 5  add-on controls are already -- that are fully complying

 6  with the regulation.

 7           There are additionally a number of small

 8  facilities that are already using chemical fume

 9  suppressants and the chemical fume suppressants that we

10  would specify for use here.  And, again, use of those

11  chemical fume suppressants has already been required by

12  the current ATCM.

13           There are other situations where air district

14  rules have required controls beyond the ATCM.  So there

15  are a variety of reasons that businesses are in

16  substantial compliance.

17           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  So of the 40 percent that are

18  left, are they not following the current rules, or were

19  they under the -- were they excepted -- were they

20  exceptions from the current rule?

21           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  No, the

22  current rule allows different levels of control depending

23  on emissions.  So the 40 percent of facilities we feel are

24  in compliance with the existing ATCM.  We have just

25  determined that by application of BACT that we will be


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 1  able to further reduce the risk of those facilities

 2  because there are technologies that allow us to further

 3  reduce the risks.

 4           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Mrs. Berg, I'd

 5  also say that we're dropping the threshold at which each

 6  level of BACT applies.  So this proposal's more stringent

 7  than the one on the books.

 8           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  But the 60 percent that are

 9  of substantial compliance, that will not cost them any

10  additional --

11           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  That's correct.

12  It's taking the other 40 percent and adding new costs to

13  them.

14           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  And that 40 percent will be

15  the ones that will be absorbing that 14 -- the number that

16  you put in your proposal?

17           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Yes.

18           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  They will

19  shoulder the bulk of those costs, that's correct.

20           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  A majority of those are small

21  businesses?

22           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  A number

23  of them are small businesses, but it's probably about an

24  even split with businesses that are not small businesses

25  that would also shoulder some of those costs.


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 1           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Okay.  And I'm confused,

 2  since -- and I'm in full agreement that hexavalent

 3  chromium chromate is a toxic chemical known.  I'm confused

 4  as to why the Toxic Hot Spot is not handling some of this

 5  problem.

 6           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  The risks

 7  that we have found from the facilities as we began our

 8  evaluation here already considered that the "Hot Spots"

 9  Program was fully implemented in the state.  So even with

10  the "Hot Spots" Program we found that there was a general

11  residual risk from these facilities which we could address

12  by requiring BACT.

13           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Mrs. Berg, I

14  think there's two answers to that question.  First of all,

15  the "Hot Spots" Program does not impose a specific

16  outcome.  It says if you're over 10-in-a-million risk,

17  that you must come up with a plan to reduce those risks,

18  but not to what level.  So that's been a decision to be

19  made by each individual air district.

20           And then I also think that our work in Barrio

21  Logan and our source testing elsewhere has revealed to us

22  that the amount of control we thought we were getting from

23  the prior chrome rule in near-source applications was not

24  correct.  That because of issues with operating and

25  maintenance, because of fugitive emissions, you're going


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 1  to have far more reliable control with a HEPA filter,

 2  which is why we're proposing that for the biggest chrome

 3  users today.

 4           So it's been a combination of policy decisions

 5  made at the local level, and not quite enough rigor in the

 6  existing chrome rule to produce the desired result.

 7           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Do I understand that fume

 8  suppressant is as effective as HEPA filters if it is

 9  implemented properly?

10           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  That's a big

11  "if".  But --

12           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  But just given -- you know, I

13  guess I -- if fume suppressant is implemented properly, is

14  it as effective as HEPA filters?

15           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  We would

16  say that use of a chemical fume suppressant alone is not

17  equivalent to a HEPA filler.  In fact, we would find that

18  it's about an order of magnitude better control with a

19  HEPA filter system.

20           We have looked at one source test result where a

21  combination of maybe two types of chemical fume

22  suppressants along with what is called polyballs --

23  they're sort of like ping pong balls that you place across

24  the top of the tank.  In this one source test they did

25  achieve a very low emission rate, which was in the same


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 1  ballpark as we would expect with a HEPA filter system.

 2  And so that's -- based on sort of that combination of

 3  controls as why we're providing that flexibility for the

 4  medium-sized facilities.

 5           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  And that would be for

 6  everybody under the 200 amp-hours -- 200,000 amp-hours?

 7           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  That's

 8  correct.

 9           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Okay.  And, finally, who's

10  doing the training for -- we're requiring an owner or an

11  employee to attend some training.  Who's doing that

12  training?

13           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  We

14  already have an ARB training class designed to do this

15  type of training.  So it would be an ARB-conducted class.

16  However, the South Coast has a training class as well that

17  would suffice.

18           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Is there any OSHA data that

19  suggests that plating employees suffer more long-term

20  health effects, do you know?

21           OEHHA AIR TOXICOLOGY AND EPIDEMIOLOGY SECTION

22  MANAGER MARTY:  Yes.

23           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Yes?

24           OEHHA AIR TOXICOLOGY AND EPIDEMIOLOGY SECTION

25  MANAGER MARTY:  Yes.


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 1           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Okay.  Thank you.

 2           Thank you very much.

 3           BOARD MEMBER ROBERTS:  You know, since you've

 4  used Barrio Logan as an example, would you complete the

 5  story so my colleagues will know what the ending was with

 6  that.  I don't want them having heartburn over this.

 7           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Well, I

 8  guess the short answer to that is that the decorative

 9  chrome plating shop was closed down.

10           BOARD MEMBER ROBERTS:  By the APCD in San Diego.

11           (Laughter.)

12           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you, Mayor Roberts,

13  for asking that question.

14           Are there other Board questions?

15           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  And the

16  HEPA-equipped facility was allowed to continue operation

17  as not posing --

18           BOARD MEMBER ROBERTS:  Because it didn't pose a

19  risk there.

20           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  -- a significant

21  risk to the adjacent neighbors, even though they were

22  very, very close.

23           BOARD MEMBER ROBERTS:  Yeah.  And you all should

24  understand, this is one of those very old communities

25  where it's hard to even understand the history of whether


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 1  the industrial came first or -- it's on the edge of the

 2  port in a very industrial area, and there's been

 3  encroachments of housing into the industrial and

 4  industrial into the housing.  So it was an inherited

 5  issue.  And I think the work of the ARB staff along with

 6  the APCD, Air Pollution Control District, staff is to be

 7  commended.

 8           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Mayor Loveridge.

 9           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  Good to hear the end of

10  the story.

11           The other -- quick question.  We have this letter

12  from Caswell Electroplating in Miniature.  I take it our

13  current rules as we're proposing would essentially say no

14  to these kits?

15           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  That is

16  the proposal before you today, yes.

17           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  And the reason for that

18  is there's --

19           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Well,

20  these kits are sold to do-it-yourselfers that may have

21  this little plating bath setup in their garage.  And their

22  really is little to no oversight of the emissions or

23  controlling that type of process.

24           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Dr. Gong.

25           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Okay.  I'm warming up now.


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 1           (Laughter.)

 2           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Need a filter.  I thought no

 3  one was going to say anything.  Here they come.

 4           But a couple things.  One is clarification on

 5  Table 33, Near-Source Cancer Risk Reduction.

 6           I just wanted to be clear in my mind what you're

 7  saying with that, with the risk greater than 10 in a

 8  million, before and after, 63 and then 17.

 9           Does that mean that there are still 17 facilities

10  who have a risk greater than 10 in a million even with the

11  staff proposal?

12           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Yes,

13  that's what that -- that's what the information says.

14           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  As was said.  How is that

15  possible?

16           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Well --

17           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  I mean how did -- shouldn't

18  they all be in compliance?

19           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Well,

20  they would be in full compliance.  But the situation -- as

21  you'll recall, we kind of talked about that emissions are

22  related to throughput and that's amp-hours.  So eventually

23  a facility is going to operate so many amp-hours that,

24  even with having the most stringent control, that they

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 1  that's just based on the size, how much plating they do.

 2           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  So it goes in cycles in a

 3  sense or --

 4           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Cycles?

 5           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Cycles of plating.

 6           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  No, that

 7  would be the emissions over the course of a year would

 8  lead to a cancer risk in excess of 10.

 9           STATIONARY SOURCE DIVISION CHIEF FLETCHER:  Dr.

10  Gong, we -- this is Bob Fletcher -- we also have a

11  provision in the regulation for facilities that emit more

12  than a specified level.  I think that's 15 grams.  Then we

13  require them to do a site-specific risk analysis, so

14  that -- for these very large facilities we want to make

15  sure that the districts have the right data.  There will

16  be site-specific considerations to take into account in

17  that case to determine whether any additional risk

18  reduction is appropriate.

19           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  So are you saying you'll

20  pre-identify some of these potentially large output

21  units and --

22           STATIONARY SOURCE DIVISION CHIEF FLETCHER:

23           They'll be identified as part of the compliance

24  process, yes.

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 1  using a placeholder a 17 here, is that -- I don't --

 2           STATIONARY SOURCE DIVISION CHIEF FLETCHER:  Yes.

 3           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  And this is

 4  the risks that's next to the facility.  There may or may

 5  not be a residential or a sensitive receptor there.  So

 6  through this process we'll find out exactly how many

 7  people are exposed in these situations and what more might

 8  be done about it.

 9           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  So this could be 0 or a 5,

10  for that matter?

11           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  It will be a

12  number less than 17.  We don't know yet exactly what it

13  will be.

14           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Okay.  Interesting how you

15  did that.  I didn't -- okay.

16           Barrio Logan.  Interesting story.

17           My question is:  How typical is Barrio Logan?  Or

18  can you call it typical?  I guess it's what you would call

19  a worst-case scenario.  But do you see many of these

20  throughout the state anymore?

21           We're using it, for example, in the land-use

22  booklet and even now in the staff paper as an example, as

23  a poster child or something.  But -- because ARB has done

24  a study of it and obviously we have data.  But what does

25  it represent, in a sense of, is it typical, is it what


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 1  we're --

 2           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Well, I

 3  think in terms of proximity to sensitive receptors, the

 4  Barrio Logan situation was not that unusual.  We have

 5  found that of the current facilities there's over 40

 6  percent of them that have a sensitive receptor within a

 7  100 meters.

 8           We have also found that this particular plating

 9  shop probably was not doing very good housekeeping

10  measures, so fugitive emissions probably played a large

11  impact on the emissions from the facility.

12           But the Barrio Logan experience is just one

13  supporting piece of information from our proposal.  It's

14  not the -- it's not really the basis of our proposal.

15           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Okay.  Slide 36, Cost

16  Impacts.  This is the business end of the cost impacts.

17           I would also advise staff and the Board that

18  there are also health impacts that are not tallied up in

19  your slide.  And I'm sure OEHHA can provide numbers if

20  necessary.  But obviously, if we're trying to protect

21  public health and avoid certain cancers, et cetera, and

22  noncancer endpoints, there are costs associated with that,

23  as I well know.

24           So I think you're looking at one side of the

25  equation.  But there's also another, again, health


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 1  economics side of the equation as well, and we should not

 2  overlook that in our decision making.

 3           And the last point I'd just like to bring up is,

 4  I'm still in a quandary as to receptors -- sensitive

 5  receptors moving in closer to a chromium facility.  What

 6  assurances do I have that these people, through no fault

 7  of their own necessarily, and, for that matter, no fault

 8  of the chromium factory -- how do we try to protect public

 9  health in that situation?  Are there regs or anything like

10  that that we can use or lean on?  Because, again,

11  preexisting plants, receptors moving in because the land

12  is cheaper there, et cetera -- whatever -- poor land use

13  decision making by powers to be.

14           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  And I

15  think we've tried to address this issue to the extent

16  possible.  And we believe that we're addressing it

17  partially by requiring emissions to be reduced to as low

18  as technology allows.

19           We also are dealing with new facilities by not

20  allowing them to operate in any such area where there

21  would be a school or residence, things like that.

22           And we also think that the land-use guidance

23  handbook will be helpful in this area, such that

24  situations that we see today will not occur again.

25           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Thank you for your comments.


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 1  I'm sure some of these challenges will be commented on

 2  during a subsequent period.

 3           Thank you.

 4           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Supervisor DeSaulnier.

 5           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  Thank you, Mr.

 6  Chairman.

 7           Maybe I'm imagining this, but I'm hearing either

 8  a slight contradiction between the staff report and your

 9  comments today in regards to best available control

10  measure for the smaller facility.  So, in the staff report

11  it says that the high efficiency particulate arrester you

12  can reach the same equivalence with chemical fume

13  suppressants for the smaller facilities.  But then today,

14  at least what I heard, was less of an equivocation, that

15  the HEPA is just -- that's best available control

16  technology, period.

17           So the question for me would be:  Why not just

18  require that for all of the facilities?

19           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Well, we

20  have tiers of requirements, and those are pretty much

21  related to risk from the facilities.  And what we've found

22  for small facilities, that we can reduce their risk to

23  very low levels by using a cheaper technology, such as a

24  chemical fume suppressant.

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 1  throughput and emissions, you reach a level where the

 2  control provided by fume suppressants is not sufficient to

 3  address the risk.  And that's why we would be

 4  considered -- why we would be requiring tighter controls

 5  meeting lower emission rates for facilities with higher

 6  throughput.

 7           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  Are we more concerned

 8  with the cost for the smaller operators or is this -- are

 9  we more focused on what is best available control

10  technology or an equivalent?

11           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  I would say both.

12  That we are more open to taking a risk with the smaller

13  facilities because their emissions are lower and if

14  something goes wrong or you lose a margin of control,

15  you're still not over a large risk to the adjacent

16  population.  But our greatest confidence is with the HEPA

17  filters.  And so above 200,000 amp-hours we think that

18  really should be the requirement.

19           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  Well, not to pick on

20  Ron, but in the case of Barrio Logan, that was a small

21  operation.  Where would that have fit?

22           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  The

23  amp-hours from the plating shop in Barrio Logan probably

24  would have fallen into the intermediate-size facilities,

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 1  closer to 200,000.

 2           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  And do you have more

 3  problems as a general rule with the smaller operators in

 4  terms of housekeeping -- you used that word -- and

 5  compliance?  As a general rule, just intuitively, having

 6  been here for a long time, that seems to be the case.

 7           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  I guess

 8  there's a pretty wide spectrum.  From the facilities that

 9  we have visited over the course of our evaluation, we see

10  a wide range of varying degrees of cleanliness, and it

11  doesn't necessarily relate to size.

12           STATIONARY SOURCE DIVISION CHIEF FLETCHER:  I do

13  think that the facilities that are HEPA controlled though

14  are generally cleaner than the other facilities because

15  they don't have the potential for the fugitive emissions

16  to get out.

17           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  So do you have an

18  estimate if you just required HEPA for everyone what the

19  consequences would be for business, how many of those

20  facilities might go out of business, how many might be

21  forced to move?  And how difficult is it to move these

22  facilities?

23           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Let me --

24           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  Sorry.  For a group

25  that didn't have any questions ten minutes ago --


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 1           (Laughter.)

 2           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Well, let me just

 3  remind you of the cost differential.  A HEPA device is

 4  going to run 50,000 a year and the fumes depressants are

 5  going to run 10,000 a year.

 6           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  Understood.  But I'm

 7  trying to get that in the context of --

 8           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Right.

 9           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  Well, I think

10  our view was the smaller facilities have much lower levels

11  of businesses and revenue, that it would be -- that the

12  smaller you get, it gets much, much more difficult to

13  generate enough income so that as a business to say, "I

14  can put that control on and still be viable."

15           So we kind of did a balancing act.  We believe

16  that HEPA day in and day out, year after year, is much

17  more effective than the emission standard.  And we've

18  got -- we've seen multiple source test data to show that.

19  That the in-tank technologies can perform well.  It

20  involves some more risks.  But for the smaller facilities,

21  since their base emission rate is much, much lower, we can

22  still achieve very low risk levels.

23           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  I understand.  I

24  appreciate what you're trying to do.  As a small business

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 1  case I think we're trying to balance that, as you have,

 2  versus the health risks to environmental justice

 3  community.

 4           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  And, quite

 5  frankly, with chrome, we view chrome as a very, very

 6  threatening toxic contaminant that needs to be handled

 7  extremely carefully, if at all, in communities.  We

 8  probably would prefer a situation, as we are proposing for

 9  new facilities, to isolate them from people.  We have a

10  situation where they're adjacent.  So we felt incumbent on

11  us to propose the best control that we could get to get

12  risks reduced as much as possible.  And in some cases we

13  said, you know what, the risk is very low, so maybe we can

14  get by with a somewhat lesser level.

15           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  Just one last question.

16           How difficult would it be to move some of these

17  facilities?  And have some of them moved?

18           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  I think more

19  likely they'd consolidate, you know, so that you would

20  have one of the larger players putting in the HEPA and

21  taking the business, and the smaller ones would fall away.

22  And the lamp shops that chrome, you know, the base of the

23  lamp, in the back; and if not their main business, would

24  send it out instead of doing it on-site.  And that kind of

25  thing, where it wouldn't be an incidental part of your


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 1  business, you'd have to go to a central shop for the

 2  chrome part.

 3           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  But just

 4  thinking out loud, if we're talking for these smaller

 5  people of 50,000 or $100,000 investment, you can't move

 6  for that amount of money in California.  You just -- you

 7  can't add two rooms to your house.

 8           STATIONARY SOURCE DIVISION CHIEF FLETCHER:  Just

 9  a comment.

10           There are about 50 facilities that are less than

11  20,000 amp-hours.  So the cost we think would be roughly

12  an additional $5 million capital cost.

13           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  And most of these, I

14  assume, proportionately are in South Coast?

15           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Yes.

16           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  Okay.  Thank you, Mr.

17  Chairman.

18           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Ms. Berg.

19           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  If we're concerned about the

20  17 remaining facilities and that they're out of -- or

21  they're over the 1 in 10 million because of the amount of

22  volume they put through, consolidation would not be the

23  answer; wouldn't that be true?

24           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Remote

25  consolidation would be the answer.


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 1           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Yeah, but how many platers

 2  are in the Mojave Desert?  I mean --

 3           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  It's going to

 4  be -- economics will drive it depending on where you

 5  ultimately put the line and who stays in business and who

 6  goes out.  But I think consolidation is inherently more

 7  risky.  And of those 17, as Mr. Scheible indicated, some

 8  of them are not immediately adjacent.  It's chrome platers

 9  on an aerodynamic facility -- or aerospace facilities, you

10  know, that kind of thing.  So they might be very far from

11  the fence line.  So it all depends.

12           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  But they're not likely to

13  take outside jobs?

14           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  No.  But there

15  could be others where, you know, it's well inside an

16  industrial area, not in light mixed industrial, which is

17  where we're seeing a lot of the chrome platers right now.

18           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  When we first -- when you

19  first started the regulations for this industry, how many

20  facilities were there, in 2000?

21           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  I think

22  probably -- back in 1988 we estimated there were probably

23  about twice as many facilities as we have today.  And we

24  think that there are about 220 hexavalent chromium and

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 1           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  And when South

 2  Coast went through its 2003 rule making, I believe they

 3  observed a decline of 20 percent.  But they can testify --

 4  20 to 30 percent -- they could testify to that.

 5           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  And do we feel we're moving

 6  it to somebody else's backyard?

 7           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  No, I think we're

 8  moving it to a more professional standard, that the price

 9  of doing business in California is to use a HEPA filter.

10  And so that indicates who stays in and who gets out.

11           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Okay.  Thank you.

12           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Mayor Loveridge.

13           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  Question in ignorance.

14           But is this a technology which is fading away?

15  Is there something taking its place?

16           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  The use

17  of the hexavalent chromium process, is that your question,

18  sir?

19           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  Basically.

20           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  There are

21  a number of alternative processes that may work for very

22  specific types of applications.  But in terms of their

23  being a general overall replacement for the hexavalent

24  chromium process, we don't believe that there is such a

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 1  and there continues to be improvements in alternative

 2  processes.

 3           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Fortunately we're going to

 4  have the opportunity to hear from the affected industry.

 5           Before we do that, I'd like to take a ten-minute

 6  break for our court reporter.  And we'll resume at 20

 7  minutes to 11.

 8           (Thereupon a recess was taken.)

 9           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  We'll now begin the public

10  testimony.

11           The first three speakers are Jill Whynot, Ed

12  Pupka, and Brian Bateman.

13           And, again, I would remind you that we're at a

14  three-minute limit.

15           (Thereupon an overhead presentation was

16           Presented as follows.)

17           MS. WHYNOT:  Good morning.  My name is Jill

18  Whynot, and I'm very pleased today to present some

19  comments on behalf of the South Coast Air Quality staff.

20           The next slide please.

21                            --o0o--

22           MS. WHYNOT:  We've had a negotiated rule making

23  on the books since May of 2003.  At that time it was the

24  most stringent rule anywhere in the country.  But because

25  of our experience with that rule, we believe that both the


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 1  ATCM that's proposed by the staff today and our current

 2  rule can and should be improved.  And what we're offering

 3  is a package that when taken together will not only

 4  provide better public health, but it will also enhance the

 5  current proposal before you today.

 6           Next slide please.

 7                            --o0o--

 8           MS. WHYNOT:  I think the key issue -- and you'll

 9  hear a lot of testimony about it today -- is the fume

10  suppressants versus the add-on controls, or the HEPA

11  filters.  We believe that both approaches can be very

12  effective.

13           Fume suppressants can be 99.5 percent effective

14  in reducing pollution.  It's actually a pollution

15  prevention because the emissions don't get out of the

16  tank.  And it's a volume source.  That's important for a

17  slide I'll show in a moment.

18           The HEPA systems are certified by the

19  manufacturers to be 99.97 percent.  So they are more

20  effective.

21           But either technology has potential problems.

22  They both need consistent operation by trained personnel.

23  And we've found that the HEPA system, you know, potential

24  area of problems there, is it's very dependent on getting

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 1  captured or collected efficiently, then you're going to

 2  have a lower emission reduction.

 3           Next slide please.

 4                            --o0o--

 5           MS. WHYNOT:  This slide is actually from page 72

 6  of the staff report, and it illustrates that the risk

 7  reduction is different from the volume or point source.

 8           Next slide.

 9                            --o0o--

10           MS. WHYNOT:  What we did was we took the same

11  data and just graphed it on a linear scale on the X axis.

12           And then if you can click for me again.

13           You can see that there's a difference.  You get

14  90 percent reduction in the risk from a volume source like

15  a fume suppressant within 100 meters --

16           And next.

17                            --o0o--

18           MS. WHYNOT:  -- and you get 90 percent reduction

19  from a point source at about 180 meters.  So it's just to

20  point out that they behave differently.

21           Next slide please.

22                            --o0o--

23           MS. WHYNOT:  We've put together an attachment to

24  a letter that we provided to the Board members in the

25  staff.  And basically it -- we're suggesting that this be


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 1  taken as a package.  The basic difference with the staff

 2  proposal is it gets to the same place or better, but it's

 3  technology neutral.  And it would allow flexibility for

 4  industry, but require them to demonstrate through source

 5  tests.  And with all the other things that we're adding,

 6  we think you can get to the same health protective level

 7  or better with less economic impacts.

 8           We also think that for the larger facilities that

 9  are meeting the most stringent emission level with the

10  maximum technology, that instead of requiring them to go

11  through the very expensive process of an AB 25588, or "Hot

12  Spots" Report, that you let that be the option.  But we

13  also think that they should meet the toughest technology.

14           The third point here, it sounds like the staff

15  has also provided -- an that is as an addition today.

16           Next please.

17                            --o0o--

18           MS. WHYNOT:  Our proposal in general shortens the

19  timelines.  And as your staff has also recommended, that

20  in addition to adding the controls in the interim, if it's

21  not impossible, for technical reasons they should start

22  using fume suppressants.

23           Our proposal also has a backstop.  So if you're

24  not using the best controls and you have three

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 1  you're required then to step up and do those more

 2  stringent controls.

 3           And also we're suggesting that there needs to be

 4  a lot more enforcement presence.  We're testing, you know,

 5  minimum numbers of inspections at facilities --

 6           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Could you conclude please.

 7           MS. WHYNOT:  Yes.

 8           -- more frequent source tests, record keeping and

 9  training.

10           Next slide.

11                            --o0o--

12           MS. WHYNOT:  So basically we're requesting that

13  the list of changes that we have provided be considered as

14  part of a 15-day change package.  And if it's not possible

15  to do that, then a 30-day delay would be all that we would

16  request.

17           Thank you very much.

18           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

19           Ed Pupka.

20           MR. PUPKA:  Good morning, Dr. Sawyer, Board

21  members.  My name is Edwin Pupka.  I'm a Senior

22  Enforcement Manager for the South Coast Air Quality

23  Management District.

24           (Thereupon an overhead presentation was

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 1           MR. PUPKA:  In follow-up to my colleague's

 2  presentation on key policy issues as they relate to fume

 3  suppressants and HEPA filtrations, cancer risks and also

 4  the districts's recommendations to improve the State ATCM,

 5  I want to take just a few minutes and bring the Board up

 6  to date on compliance status as it relates to various

 7  metal plating operations in the South Coast Air Basin.

 8           As was previously noted, there are approximately

 9  155 metal platers within our jurisdiction.  That is down

10  from about 173 when our Rule 1469 was amended.  We

11  comprise about 75 percent of the total facilities that are

12  operating statewide.

13           In our May 2003 amendments our governing board

14  took a slightly different approach, one of which you have

15  seen today, that looked not necessarily at setting

16  emission standards based solely on process type but also

17  on the associated health risk as it relates to various

18  impacted receptors within specified distances away from

19  the facility.

20           It also provided for options including

21  alternative compliance needs as well.

22                            --o0o--

23           MR. PUPKA:  Compliance trends with the original

24  Rule 1469 requirements initially were poor.  An audit was

25  conducted by the Air Resources Board -- actually it was


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 1  multimedia audit which included air, waste and water --

 2  conducted back in late 1999, showed a compliance rate of

 3  about 22 percent.  Three years later, a significant

 4  improvement, up to 86 percent.  And then since our May

 5  2000 amendments, our rule compliance with the most latest

 6  revisions has been relatively good.

 7           Next slide please.

 8                            --o0o--

 9           MR. PUPKA:  Before you is just a summary of

10  facility compliance data.  Since amendments in May 2003 up

11  into September 1st of this year, our field inspection

12  staff have conducted approximately 1300 inspections at

13  these various metal plating facilities.  Many of them have

14  been visited two, three and four times, depending on their

15  proximity to receptors and also what we're seeing in terms

16  of their compliance trends and challenges.

17           Notice the violations.  Relatively flat and

18  constant.  But we are seeing a significant decrease in the

19  notices to comply that are issued for record keeping,

20  reporting and monitoring.

21           Also, as you will see, very low rates of

22  noncompliance with fume suppressant violations.

23                            --o0o--

24           MR. PUPKA:  In general what we're seeing in the

25  field:  Increased inspection frequency definitely


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 1  increases compliance.  Increases in inspection frequency

 2  also speaks to sustained compliance.

 3           As Ms. Whynot pointed out in her presentation,

 4  operator attention counts for both fume suppressants and

 5  also add-on controls.

 6           Challenges that we see in the field:  HEPA

 7  filters can be turned off.  They could even be bypassed or

 8  even replaced with lower efficiency filters.

 9           Fume suppressants similarly are not without their

10  challenges.

11                            --o0o--

12           MR. PUPKA:  Recently one of our inspectors in the

13  field came across this facility that had been relocated

14  within our jurisdiction.  What you see before you is the

15  mist eliminator and also the gauges that show the pressure

16  drop across the equipment.

17           The slide on the right shows the magnehelic

18  gauges.  All of them are at zero.  After speaking with the

19  operator, we learned that a fuse had blown out.  And they

20  had no idea as to how long it had been blown out.  But

21  essentially every piece of that air pollution control

22  device was nonfunctional, including the HEPA filtration

23  system.

24                            --o0o--

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 1  the fume suppressants, chemical suppressants are any more

 2  effective than the HEPA filtration system.  What we would

 3  like to leave you with is just to remind you that those

 4  fume suppressants, which you've already testified to,

 5  which are only about a half a percent lower of reduction

 6  in efficiency as HEPA filters, are a pollution-prevention

 7  approach because emissions are minimized before they leave

 8  the tank.

 9           The list of changes that are before you today is

10  meant to be implemented in total.  We believe that it

11  offers flexibility for industry to meet the very stringent

12  emission limits in a technology-neutral fashion while

13  providing the very most protective of health in terms of

14  the ATCM.

15           Thank you.

16           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you very much.

17           Dr. Gong.

18           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  A question about the fume

19  suppressants.

20           The violations that you were able to pick up,

21  what are those kinds of violations?  Is it -- was it the

22  three --

23           MR. PUPKA:  The three that we had noted over the

24  last few years.  One of them related to the fact that they

25  were not actually testing for surface tension.  The other


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 1  two were the fact that one was not maintained, the other

 2  one actually did not have a suppressant at all.  So each

 3  one of them slightly different.

 4           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Mrs. Riordan.

 5           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Yes.  To the staff -- and

 6  I'm going to go back a little bit to Ms. Whynot's

 7  testimony.  I wanted to catch both at one time.

 8           What responses do you have to some of their

 9  suggestions?

10           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  To the

11  South Coast Proposal today?

12           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Yes.

13           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Well, we

14  did evaluate the proposal and we did talk to some South

15  Coast staff so that we could better understand the

16  proposal.  And as Ms. Whynot mentioned, some of the items

17  that she discussed this morning we thought were very good

18  improvements to our proposal and we are proposing them as

19  modifications to our proposal today.  And that would be

20  relating to using the specified chemical fume suppressants

21  in a shorter amount of time.

22           And we also thought the schools issue that Ms.

23  Whynot brought up, that was very important.

24           But in terms of the overall emission

25  requirements, we still would believe that for those larger


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 1  emitting facilities, that the add-on control device is the

 2  more effective, more reliable control.

 3           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Okay.  Thank you.

 4           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  Also, we

 5  received that the beginning of the week.  And it's fairly

 6  complicated, especially on some of the enforcement

 7  provision sides.  So those are things that districts can

 8  do if they desire.  And before we would go with those,

 9  we'd need to talk to the other districts.

10           Secondly, basically we and the South Coast are in

11  agreement that more stringent standards can and ought to

12  be applied to the sources than they were able to do three

13  years ago.  So that was -- and really the other discussion

14  of what's the best technique and how do you assure it?

15  I'm sure you'll hear more about that issue as time goes

16  on.

17           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Okay.

18           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Mayor Loveridge.

19           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  Maybe you could just go

20  through the -- there were about -- there's seven

21  suggestions -- just pick them up so I know which ones are

22  included in modifications and --

23           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  As Mike's pulling

24  that up -- I mean my general reaction in reading them --

25  and we did need to talk to staff -- district staff to


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 1  understand them.  But essentially what they appear to do

 2  is delete the HEPA requirement and substitute for it

 3  adjustments in the timetable for when controls go in,

 4  added enforcement provisions, to be sure that the fume

 5  suppressants are as effective as the district asserts that

 6  they are.  We still have difference of opinion, even under

 7  best circumstances, how good the fume suppressants are.

 8           So it wasn't so -- it's a package proposal rather

 9  than a point by point, except for the ones that Carla

10  indicated on treatment of schools, the early application

11  of suppressants while we're waiting for the HEPA to come

12  later, and the 300-meter boundary.

13           But let's see if Mike identified other isolated

14  pieces.  Or staff's going to do it.

15           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Going

16  over the points from Ms. Whynot's presentation, I think

17  Ms. Witherspoon already covered the first one, the

18  technology neutral.  And I already made some comments on

19  that.

20           The second comment about allowing the option of

21  meeting the emission rate here for facilities with greater

22  that 15 grams per year of emissions, what we understand

23  from talking to South Coast staff is that this emission

24  rate presented here is achieved by a combination of HEPA

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 1           And we are aware of some facilities, because of

 2  the type of operation that they have, that they are not

 3  able to use chemical fume suppressants.  So in all cases,

 4  this may not be possible.  And applications where you

 5  can't use fume suppressants would be some aerospace

 6  applications or military applications.  And we've heard

 7  from those industries that you can't use fume suppressants

 8  all the time.  So we have concerns about this emission

 9  rate being achievable.

10           We did include in our modifications the schools

11  requirement there.

12           Shorter compliance timelines.  Well, I guess in

13  general some of their -- the overall compliance timelines

14  may be slightly shorter, but we would require controls for

15  some facilities in a shorter timeframe than this proposal

16  would.

17           The point on fume suppressants, we are making

18  that change.

19           The backstop provision.  I guess because our

20  proposal would already require those facilities to have

21  add-on controls, there wouldn't be this backstop

22  requirement needed.  The controls would already be in

23  place.

24           In terms of the inspections and source testing,

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 1  be a sort of case-by-case air district decision.  Source

 2  testing, again that's at the discretion of the air

 3  district.  If they would want to require more frequent

 4  source testing, they can do that.  Our ATCM would require

 5  an initial test to demonstrate compliance.

 6           Record keeping.  The regulation already has

 7  fairly extensive record-keeping requirements.

 8           And the training class.  We are proposing that

 9  there be a training class for operators.  And the South

10  Coast has a training class as well.

11           So does that address your comments, Ms. Riordan?

12           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Yes.  And I think the

13  Mayor's too, yes.

14           Thank you.

15           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  One thing I want

16  to bring to the Board's attention, and I think the Bay

17  Area witness will talk about this, state law is structured

18  in such a way that air districts must adopt ATCMs that are

19  at least as stringent as the Air Resources Board.  They

20  may be more stringent.  They also have an opportunity to

21  demonstrate equivalence.

22           So the choice if -- this is what you ultimately

23  do not do -- switch to the South Coast package proposal as

24  compared to ARB's package of requirements does not

25  foreclose this discussion from going on, if South Coast


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 1  believes they can demonstrate equivalence overall with

 2  what we are recommending to you.  Or even a different

 3  approach, if the Bay Area has a different approach.  But

 4  we can come back to that later today.

 5           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Okay.  Next, Brian Bateman.

 6  And then we'll have Daniel Cunningham, John Marrs and

 7  Sylvia Rodriguez.

 8           MR. BATEMAN:  Good morning, Dr. Sawyer and

 9  members of the Board.  My name is Brian Bateman.  I'm the

10  Director of Engineering at the Bay Area Air Quality

11  Management District.

12           We have 17 chrome plating facilities in the Bay

13  Area.  Ten of these are decorative plating operations.

14  The other seven are hard chrome facilities.

15           We've seen some very significant emission

16  reductions from our chrome platers over the years.  These

17  reductions were made in response to the existing ATCM and

18  to the Air Toxics "Hot Spots" Program.  We think this

19  represents a great success story in terms of public health

20  protection.

21           The proposed amendments to the ATCM have much

22  more stringent emissions standards than the existing rule.

23  We support these standards and the additional public

24  health benefits they'll provide.  Most of our facilities

25  will need to implement additional control measures to


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 1  comply with these standards.

 2           We feel that it's important to give these

 3  facilities the flexibility to comply with the new emission

 4  standards using a variety of control options.  A lot of

 5  progress has been made in improving the effectiveness of

 6  plating bath pollution prevention measures over the years.

 7  And the proposed emission standards are likely to push the

 8  development of these technologies even further.  We're

 9  still a few years off from the effective date of these new

10  amendments and we think that we should give the technology

11  a chance to develop.  Because of this, we favor a

12  technology-neutral approach that does not explicitly

13  require the use of add-on controls.

14           This increased flexibility could be achieved by

15  removing the explicit requirement for add-on controls for

16  greater than 200,000 amp-hour per year facilities while

17  retaining the proposed emission standard.

18           And I'd like to conclude by thanking the ARB

19  staff for their work on this ATCM.  We very much

20  appreciate all the hard work that Bob Fletcher and his

21  staff at SSD have put into this.

22           Thank you.

23           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

24           Daniel Cunningham.

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 1           Presented as follows.)

 2           MR. CUNNINGHAM:  Thank you.  Good morning, Dr.

 3  Sawyer and Board members.  My name is Dan Cunningham.  I'm

 4  the Executive Director of the Metal finishing Association

 5  of Southern California and the Surface Technology

 6  Association in northern California.

 7           My background in this industry -- I've been in

 8  the industry for 27 years.  I graduated from UCLA in 1979.

 9  I worked actually at a hard chrome shop near LAX for 12

10  and a half years.  Then I worked at an anodizing company

11  that did chromic acid anodizing for another 4 and a half

12  years, until I took this position 11 years ago.

13           Our two associations make up about 200 metal

14  finishing job shops in California, with the average size

15  being 20 to 25 employees.  We are very proactive small

16  business trade associations.  We offer monthly compliance

17  seminars, meetings, newsletters.  We have a state-approved

18  storm water monitoring group we've had for 14 years.  We

19  feel that our members are well informed on all current and

20  pending environmental health and safety regulations.

21           We are a very small but important industry to the

22  manufacturing base in California.  We protect metal parts

23  and other manufactured parts, to make them last longer,

24  work better, thus saving countless natural resources for

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 1           MFASC and STA have a long history of working with

 2  virtually every regulatory agency in California, including

 3  CARB, South Coast and Bay Area AQMDs.

 4           We continue to work with EPA Regional 9 and DTSC

 5  on the Southern California Goals Program and Environmental

 6  Management System Series.  For several years we were on

 7  the steering committee for EPA Regional 9 Merit

 8  Partnership for Pollution Prevention.  We currently Chair

 9  the Industry Advisory Council for the Sanitation Districts

10  of Los Angeles County.  And for over 18 months we worked

11  with South Coast on the negotiated rule making for Rule

12  1469, which is now the most stringent air reg in the

13  country and addresses most, if not all, the concerns we

14  are talking about here today.

15           This is a negotiated rule-making process where

16  all the parties signed off on the end, including some of

17  the environmental groups and AQMD staff.

18           For our efforts we won two clean air awards from

19  South Coast, one in 1992 for a chrome plating

20  demonstration project, and one in 2003 for our

21  participation in Rule 1469 negotiated rule making.

22           It is critical to note that since 1986 our

23  industry has reduced hexavalent chrome emissions by over

24  99.9 plus percent and are willing to comply with even more

25  stringent regulations.  All we ask is for the flexibility


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 1  to meet whatever that target number is.  If it's .0015

 2  milligrams per amp-hour, give us the flexibility to do

 3  that.

 4           We feel that the South Coast proposal even

 5  addresses better the near-source concerns that staff was

 6  proposing.  And it also addresses the increased

 7  inspections, certifying training, record keeping,

 8  certified fume suppressants, compliance assistance,

 9  proximity to sensitive receptors, and a three-strikes

10  provision.

11           In closing, I'd like to state that this industry

12  cares about the environment, about our workers, about our

13  neighbors; and that past land-use decisions placing

14  schools near plating shops or houses or whatever should

15  not have been done, but has to be addressed now, and we

16  feel that we are addressing that at this time.

17           This industry wants to be part of the solution,

18  not a part of the problem.  And we hope you'll consider

19  the proposals and maybe a short postponement so we can

20  work together to get all this done together.

21           Thank you.

22           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

23           John Marrs.

24           MR. MARRS:  Hi.  My name's John Marrs.  I am Vice

25  President and General Manager of Chrome Craft, that is


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 1  located here in Sacramento.  It's a family-owned business,

 2  and we employ 36 people in our facility.  I'm also a

 3  member -- a board member of the Surface Technology

 4  Association here in northern California.

 5           Our facility, we perform industrial hard chroming

 6  as a part of our manufacturing and repairing operations.

 7  And about 17 percent of our revenue comes from outside the

 8  State of California.

 9           Slide 5 please.

10                            --o0o--

11           MR. MARRS:  What we would like to present is some

12  information regarding the chrome emissions and costs.

13           Metal finishers represent about 4 pounds out of

14  the total 3,000 pounds of chromium emissions in the state.

15  The proposed ATCM seeks to reduce 2.2 pounds of Chromium 6

16  from the metal finishing industry, which is .0724 percent

17  of the statewide total.

18           Staff suggests that the cost of this reduction is

19  14.2 million.  But I believe that that figure is even

20  higher.

21           Next slide please.

22                            --o0o--

23           MR. MARRS:  The risk from metal finishing

24  industry is low.  The total calculated cancer risk from

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 1  persons per 70 years exposure.  The statewide risk has

 2  been computed to be greater than 1,000 for the total

 3  statewide risk.

 4           The proposed air toxic measure seeks to reduce

 5  our risks to less than 1 in a million.  And that's

 6  something that we support.

 7           Next slide please.

 8                            --o0o--

 9           MR. MARRS:  The standard, as has been stated, is

10  that the ATCM is looking to be .0015 milligrams of Chrome

11  6 per amp-hour for facilities that are over 20,000

12  amp-hours in the year.

13           There are about 60 facilities within the 20,000

14  to 200,000 amp-hours per year category.  Current standard

15  for that is .01 milligrams or better for the South Coast

16  or .04 milligrams or better for the rest of the state.

17           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  I need to ask you to

18  conclude please.

19           MR. MARRS:  Okay.  My greatest concern is that we

20  get flexibility in meeting the proposed regulations and

21  that they be included in the regulations to ease the

22  financial burden placed on businesses.

23           Thank you.

24           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

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 1  quick question.

 2           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Yes.

 3           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Good morning.

 4           MR. MARRS:  Good morning.

 5           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  In your business you said you

 6  had about 30 to 35 employees.  What category would you

 7  fall in?  Above the 20,000 amp-hours?

 8           MR. MARRS:  Definitely.  We would be

 9  considered -- last year we were in about the 20 million

10  category.  Hard chrome plating requires a lot more

11  amperage, and so we are in the highest category.

12           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  And you're currently using

13  what types of controls?

14           MR. MARRS:  We are using a HEPA filter currently.

15  And at our present level of emissions, we are well below

16  current proposed limits.

17           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Okay.  Thank you very much.

18           MR. MARRS:  You're welcome.

19           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Dr. Gong.

20           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Yes.  You mention in one of

21  your slides that there are 3,000 pounds of Chromium 6

22  emissions in the state?

23           MR. MARRS:  Yes.

24           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Could you give me the sources

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 1           MR. MARRS:  Definitely.  That can be found from

 2  the staff sources that -- that's on the website that they

 3  publish.  So staff can confirm that.

 4           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Dr. Gong,

 5  that is our emission inventory data.

 6           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  But what other types of

 7  sources produce that type --

 8           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Oh.  What

 9  we have found is that probably the largest emissions of

10  hexavalent chromium are from combustion of fossil fuels.

11  And that's true from point sources as well as I think

12  probably off-road mobile sources.  But there is also some

13  other sources.  But combustion is a large part of it.

14           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Then that leads to my

15  question I guess about:  Are we controlling those sources

16  in that sense, the chromium?  I mean I'm -- we're talking

17  about four pounds, I guess.

18           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  Well, I would

19  say, one, there's a lot of uncertainty in those emission

20  estimates.  And many of them are old and have not been

21  focused upon.  Second, those are basically trace levels of

22  chrome in fuels.  So we're -- we're not aware that they

23  are causing, you know, elevated risk close to sources.

24  Although we probably need to lock at that more and need re

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 1           We know generally that ambient levels are low.

 2  And as we've said before, this measure really isn't

 3  designed to reduce general ambient exposure to chrome.

 4  It's designed to ensure that those that live close to

 5  chrome facilities have risk reduced to very low levels.

 6           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  I guess I would then say that

 7  that value of 3,000 pounds should have an asterisk with

 8  those caveats if it's on our web page, because it -- I

 9  mean it looks like someone could just pull it out and say,

10  "You have 3,000 pounds out there," you know.  So I'm

11  just -- it's a little confusing obviously if you say that.

12           Thank you.

13           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  We agree.

14           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

15           Sylvia Rodriguez.  And then we'll Alan Olick, Ed

16  Appleton and Frank Grana.

17           MS. RODRIGUEZ:  Good morning.  My name is Sylvia

18  Rodriguez.  I've been in the metal finishing field for 23

19  years now.  I am the President and General Manager of Amex

20  Plating, Incorporated, which is located in Santa Clara.

21           I employ 33 people.  And together we generate

22  approximately $2 1/2 million in annual revenue.

23  Incidentally, our medical insurance covers about 110

24  lives.

25           I also serve as the National Director for the


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 1  National Association of Metal Finishers.  And our trade

 2  association wanted to lock at risk.

 3           Our consultant, Dean High, prepared these slides.

 4           And we are in agreement that the proposed ATCM

 5  standards -- requirements -- excuse me -- seeks 1 to 1

 6  million reduction in cancer risk or less for exposed

 7  people.

 8           Our association wanted to assess the risk by

 9  location and facility size.  And we determined that 75

10  percent of the facilities where Rule 1469 was implemented

11  lie within the South Coast District, and that represents

12  0.5 cancer risks over a seven-year span.  And 25 percent

13  of the facilities lie outside of the state -- excuse me --

14  outside of the region.

15                            --o0o--

16           MS. RODRIGUEZ:  It's a complicated table.  But I

17  want to point out that it breaks down facilities by

18  ampere-hour per year.

19           Specifically the table illustrates that the

20  cancer burden facilities outside of the South Coast

21  District -- if you look at two of them, the medium size --

22  1 million to 5 million ampere-hours per year, that risk is

23  at 1.254.  And facilities at 5 million to 15 million,

24  cancer risk was determined to be at 1.633.

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 1  facilities of the size 20,000 to 200,000 ampere-hours per

 2  year, that cancer burden was determined to be at 0.128.

 3           Thank you.

 4           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you very much.

 5           Alan Olick.

 6           MR. OLICK:  Thank you, Dr. Sawyer.  Board members

 7  and ladies and gentlemen.  My name is Alan Olick.  I'm

 8  President of General Plating and Bright Plating and Alpha

 9  Polishing, all located in Los Angeles, California.  I've

10  been in the metal finishing industries for 37 years.

11  Prior to that I was a school teacher.

12           I'm concerned about health risks.  And my company

13  employs between 70 people and 100 people, with

14  capabilities of supporting 500 people.  The business is

15  leaving the country left and right.  I have many, many

16  customers locally that are all relatively high-end

17  customers:  Architectural, jewelry, and automotive.  Every

18  one of those customers will go out of the country if we

19  impose the rules that were working on here, not equally to

20  the rest of the United States and the rest of the world.

21           Dean High has worked with us.  He's an

22  environmentalist, as all of you are, and I consider myself

23  as well.

24                            --o0o--

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 1  slide 1.  Very little actual testing was conducted for the

 2  proposed ATCM.  The modeling requires many assumptions.

 3  Each step estimating, risk always errs to hippy health

 4  protective.  Certain evaluations like determining cancer

 5  risk must be done to inform the decision makers on how

 6  safe is safe.

 7           Slide 2 please.

 8                           --o0o--

 9           MR. OLICK:  The modeling scenario overestimated

10  risk.  All facilities released Chrome 6 -- using a

11  one-year Pasadena meteorological data study.

12           All point sources had one-foot stacks.  Very very

13  low.  Staff based modeling for 95 percent of facilities by

14  using different assumptions for small facilities.

15  Modeling less than 5,000 ampere-hours versus proposed ATCM

16  set for less than 20,000 ampere hours.  Hypothetical

17  exposure considers worst point, not actual receptor.

18           My company produces -- or uses over 1 million

19  ampere-hours of hexavalent chrome a year.  We use best

20  available technology fume suppressants.  We have a full

21  time laboratory fella who's examining the tanks six, seven

22  times a day.  We've had no significant violations in the

23  past 12 years.  And some of the violations are only minor

24  paperwork errors.  We will do better.

25           And I wish to have you all examine what we're


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 1  being asked to do.  We're being asked to do the

 2  impossible.  We're being asked to go from what's

 3  relatively okay to absolute zero.  And there is no

 4  absolute zero in anything.  And the 3100 pounds of chrome

 5  that they're talking about in the atmosphere from other

 6  sources, jet fuels, diesel fuels and mobile sources, I

 7  think has to be considered more than 4 to 5 pounds of

 8  chromic acid from metal platers disbursed across the

 9  state.

10           Thank you very much for the opportunity.

11           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

12           Mayor Loveridge.

13           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  Sir?

14           MR. OLICK:   Oh, I'm sorry.

15           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  We've talked about

16  technology neutral.  And your own assessment of that

17  issue?

18           MR. OLICK:   Excuse me?

19           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  One of -- see, one of

20  the key issues here has been the notion of technology

21  being -- technology neutral, something that's been offered

22  by the South Coast and the Bay Area districts.  So given

23  your experience in this, could you comment on that issue

24  of technology neutral?

25           MR. OLICK:   Well, we're all using the latest


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 1  technology with fume suppressants and teaching the

 2  employees on how to handle chromic acid safely; designing

 3  parts so they have the least amount of gassing possible,

 4  which would give you the gas bubbles that they claim burst

 5  and go into the atmosphere.

 6           Another point was, they're talking about

 7  housekeeping.  And chromic acid is a -- it's a granular

 8  substance.  It comes in a bucket.  You open it and add it

 9  to the tank.  And they're concerned that when you open it

10  to the tank -- open it and add it to the tank, that the

11  dusting occurs.  Well, in my plant we actually punch holes

12  in the bucket and slowly submerge the entire bucket into

13  the chromic tank to dissolve the chrome, not having any

14  dusting.

15           So there's a lot of things that are very easy to

16  do that common sense and good training can avoid, rather

17  than having to buy a piece of equipment that costs

18  hundreds of thousands of dollars to maintain it.  And

19  people think that that piece of equipment will be the

20  panacea, when really it's good training and good people

21  that is what it would take.

22           Any other questions?

23           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Dr. Gong.

24           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  I was wondering if Dr. Marty

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 1  risk -- understanding risk.

 2           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  I think

 3  we'd need to go back to a different slide than what we

 4  have here to look at those -- the numbers.  Could we --

 5           STATIONARY SOURCE DIVISION CHIEF FLETCHER:  Well,

 6  let me just comment on that.  The discussion on cancer

 7  burden that was raised is one that is done in some risk

 8  analysis.  For this application we don't think it's

 9  appropriate because it's -- what we're really faced with

10  here is the near source.  So we acknowledge that the

11  cancer burden calculation is not going to be great, the

12  number will be small, as I identified in the analysis.

13           The difficulty here is that you're dealing with

14  discrete facilities in communities.  And so that the

15  number of people that you're exposing is generally going

16  to be small, so your cancer burden calculation will be

17  small.

18           Relative to the modeling assumptions that were

19  raised in one of slides, the Pasadena met set is generally

20  a -- kind of a mid-level met set.  We recognize that there

21  are other met sets that will give you other data.  We

22  selected Pasadena as one in the L.A. Basin that is a

23  fairly average met set.  West L.A. is one that's often

24  used as a worst case.  And clearly you'll get higher

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 1           So we can go through the other modeling

 2  assumptions if you would like as well.

 3           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Thank you.

 4           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

 5           Ed Appleton.

 6           MR. APPLETON:  Good morning, Dr. Sawyer and Board

 7  members.  My name is Ed Appleton.  I'm a with Metal

 8  Finishing Marketers located in Los Angeles.  We are

 9  probably considered a midsize company representing 47

10  employees and their families.

11           I've been involved in the electroplating industry

12  since 1975, with family ties that go back to 1932.

13           During the 31 years of my experience in this

14  industry I have seen many positive changes in regards to

15  our environment.  I have seen cooperative input between

16  our industry and regulatory agencies.

17                            --o0o--

18           MR. APPLETON:  But personally I'm very concerned

19  about the survival of our industry.  In the next couple of

20  slides we would like to address some technology issues

21  presented and some requests to be proposed before the

22  Board.

23           The staff claims that add-on control, HEPA

24  filtration, are best available control and are the only

25  technology that may be used for operations in companies


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 1  greater than 2,000 amp-hours per year.

 2           Also, documentary evidence submitted showing

 3  alternatives include in-tank controls can achieve equal or

 4  better emission results.

 5           Whereas the cost difference of installation and

 6  ongoing maintenance is large.

 7                            --o0o--

 8           MR. APPLETON:  We are asking the Board to find a

 9  balance that will be a workable solution for all.  We

10  respect the efforts of the Board in maintaining an

11  environmental -- environment for our beautiful state, in

12  which I'm a native southern Californian and proud of it.

13           We have three requests that we would request

14  changes by metal finishers that we would like to present

15  to you.  One is the flexibility to reach these emission

16  standards; number 2, use of all approved technologies to

17  reach these emission standards; and, number 3, consider

18  risk to setting emission standards.

19           Thank you very much.

20           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

21           Frank Grana.  And then we'll have Allan Jones,

22  Dean High, and Paramo Hernandez.

23           MR. GRANA:  Good morning, Dr. Sawyer and Board

24  members.  My name is Frank Grana.  I'm an owner of

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 1           California Electroplating is a second generation

 2  midsize chrome plating shop and employ about 50 employees.

 3           I'm here today to talk about the alternatives

 4  available.  As you see in our slide, flexibility.  We

 5  chose to meet the Rule 1469 by running a source test,

 6  which I'd like to submit.  And in our source test we far

 7  exceeded -- or far surpassed the limits that were put on

 8  us.  We used a Fumetrol 140, a Dis-Mist NP, and we also

 9  added polyballs to increase the amount of control.

10                            --o0o--

11           MR. GRANA:  During our test, which was overseen

12  by the Metal Finishing Association of Southern California,

13  our results were quite low.  We had a results of .00013,

14  almost -- or more than ten times below the control

15  measure.

16           And at this point I would just like to say that

17  we would welcome the Board to retest us, to come and see

18  our facility, to see that it is possible to get there

19  without the thousands of dollars spent on equipment.  You

20  know, I mean proof is in the pudding, and we did it and we

21  passed with flying colors.

22           So I mean in closing I'd just like to say thank

23  you for the time.  And, once again, please, if you'd like

24  to retest, we're more than available to do that.

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 1           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you very much.

 2           Mayor Loveridge.

 3           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  Could staff respond

 4  to -- I mean I think this really becomes the issue of

 5  whether or not there are -- this technology neutral,

 6  looking for the best possible ways, or whether there's

 7  only one way to do this.

 8           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  We are

 9  aware of this source test and we do recognize that under

10  these conditions that they were able to achieve these

11  emission rates with this combination of in-tank controls.

12           Also be aware that this is a single test.  And we

13  have lots of source test data that we use in our

14  evaluation that leads us to continue to believe that the

15  add-on control device is the better control.

16           While this test does have very low emission

17  rates, we do have a couple of concerns with the test per

18  se in terms of if the test was run in a way that would be

19  typical of a decorative chromium plating facility.  And

20  were we're not sure that the results of this one test are

21  a good enough basis to override what we have learned about

22  HEPA filters and similar control devices over the years.

23           STATIONARY SOURCE DIVISION CHIEF FLETCHER:  I'd

24  also add that, you know, in addition to the source test,

25  while it may achieve this at this point during this source


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 1  test, we are concerned about the ongoing operation of

 2  these facilities.  This requires that there be a blanket

 3  of foam over the tank at all times.  And that is generated

 4  when you begin plating.  So you have issue associated with

 5  creating, you know, the foam blanket.  So we do have some

 6  concerns about this technology on a continuous basis as

 7  well.

 8           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Mr. Chairman?

 9           Why don't we have the same concern about whether

10  they're changing out the HEPA filters or they're keeping

11  the pressure as we saw in the South Coast Air Quality?  I

12  mean I understand what the concerns are.  But at the end

13  of the day it really comes down to, is the business owner

14  going to follow the rules?  And most business owners

15  really truly want to follow the rules and some don't.  And

16  you're going to be able to find the ones that don't in any

17  industry.

18           So I'm concerned with the HEPA filters.  Why am I

19  not hearing from staff the same concerns about the

20  maintenance and what is needed on those?

21           STATIONARY SOURCE DIVISION CHIEF FLETCHER:  I

22  think you're not hearing that same concern, because HEPA

23  is a much more established technology.  I mean we have

24  over 30 source tests that have been run on HEPA filters.

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 1  District already.  You saw from the data that the South

 2  Coast provided that they did find one facility.  I think

 3  that wasn't -- yeah, that was a HEPA filter system.  And

 4  they will find that from time to time.

 5           But I think that the history that we have with

 6  HEPA filtration in this application and other applications

 7  and the ability to have measurable and documentable data

 8  on pressure drop that allows you to see what's happening

 9  all the time as opposed to a visual measured -- you know,

10  measurement as part of the monitoring and record keeping

11  and reporting, it just gives us much more confidence that

12  the HEPA is able to operate effectively for a continuous

13  period of time.

14           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  But are then we saying that

15  companies such as this gentleman's who -- or the other

16  gentlemen that spoke that have hired staff to monitor

17  these things and are following their procedures, that we

18  just don't trust them, that they're not capable or

19  qualified to make these decisions?

20           STATIONARY SOURCE DIVISION CHIEF FLETCHER:  I

21  don't think it's so much a question of trust.  Obviously,

22  you know, good business owners are going to try to do the

23  best they can.  The problem that we have with the

24  technology itself is the nature of how it operates in the

25  tank specifically.  And the fact that in order to have a


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 1  blanket over the tank at all times, then you have to have

 2  current going through the tank at all times.  In some

 3  facilities you're not running that way.  You're on and

 4  you're off.  You're running in batches.  And we just don't

 5  have enough information about how that blanket forms, the

 6  length of time it takes for that blanket to form.  It's

 7  not like whipping cream where you just sort of spray it

 8  over the top of the tank and then begin plating.  It's

 9  generated from mist within -- you know, or from additives

10  within the tank itself that causes the blanket to form.

11  So you could potentially be generating emissions prior to

12  even the initiating of the plating.

13           So we have some concerns about that aspect of it.

14           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Thank you very much.

15           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

16           Allan Jones.

17                            --o0o--

18           MR. JONES:  Good morning, Chairman and Board

19  members.  I'm Allan Jones, from Adeltech, an industry

20  supplier to the metal plating industry.  I have a PhD in

21  physical chemistry.  I have 25 years experience in metal

22  finishing.  And for 22 years I've been in the Worldwide

23  Research and Development Group Adeltech.  And I'm a group

24  leader performing research and development on functional

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 1  processes and the application of mist suppressants.  I've

 2  conducted numerous studies and given many presentations on

 3  mist or fume suppressants.

 4           Approved technologies are shown on this slide.

 5  In-tank controls are good and effective technology.  They

 6  include mist suppressants, foam blankets and polyballs.

 7           Fume suppressants work by lowering the surface

 8  tension and forming a foam.  They are very effective.

 9  They are chemically stable.  So if you make an addition,

10  it's not gone in a matter of minutes or hours.  It can

11  stay in that tank at that surface tension for days,

12  depending upon how many amp-hours pass through the

13  process.

14           Foam blankets add an additional lawyer of

15  protection.  They are very effective.  I think the Board

16  raised issues about explosions.  Those are not a problem

17  with proper technology and current chemistry and proper

18  procedures when used.

19           Polyballs add a mechanical barrier to the system.

20  And as we've seen in the prior speaker, his data shows

21  that these -- a combination of these three systems are

22  very effective.  Staff assumed that foam blankets were

23  unacceptable and failed to certify them, with no testing

24  or analysis by the staff.

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 1  emission values, about an order of magnitude below the

 2  proposed limit.  South Coast Air Quality certifies foam

 3  blankets.

 4           On this slide we see certified fume suppressants.

 5  Adeltech is one of world's leaders in supplying chemicals

 6  to the metal finishing industry.  And Fumetrol 140 is one

 7  of our premier products.  And with this Fumetrol 140 and a

 8  certain surface tension, you get very low emission limits.

 9  In combination, Fumetrol 140 working with Dis-Mist NP can

10  even reduce those emissions down further by orders of

11  magnitude.

12           As you can see, the usage regulations according

13  to South Coast for a combination process means that these

14  two combinations -- the surface tension has to be below a

15  certain limit, there has to be a certain amount of foam on

16  the plating tank during plating, and it has to cover 95

17  percent of the area.

18           Fume suppressants and mist suppressants and foam

19  blankets are very effective control processes.  They also

20  control in the tank preventing chromium from getting

21  outside of the tank and causing fugitive emissions that

22  we've seen may be a problem in some cases.

23           Please give us a chance to demonstrated this

24  technology, that these technologies are very effective.

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 1  I've heard that this Board is involved in global warming.

 2  And HEPA filters are very power intensive, requiring a lot

 3  of fans and exhaust motors.  And as we've heard already,

 4  this will lead to additional needs for generation,

 5  possibly from fossil fuels, which may additionally

 6  contribute to pollution and also to hexavalent chromium.

 7           Thank you for your attention.

 8           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

 9           Dean High.

10           MR. HIGH:  Good morning.  My name is Dean High.

11  I'm a technical consultant to the industry group here

12  today.

13                            --o0o--

14           MR. HIGH:  And I conducted the risk evaluations

15  for the PA ATCM as well as two alternatives.

16           Earlier speakers addressed two of the requests

17  that we have before this Board, to give us some relaxation

18  or freedom or flexibility.  And I will address the third

19  one, which is to focus on the small facilities in the 20

20  to 200,000 category.  And it represents a compromise, what

21  we're proposing, between what the PA ATCM would do and

22  what the Rule 1469 statewide would do.

23           We propose that those facilities in this category

24  be allowed to meet an emission rate of .01 milligram per

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 1  emission rate is the same as the tiny categories, the

 2  under 20,000 category, and it also meets the 1 in a

 3  million requirement, which is consistent with the new

 4  structure review rules in SCAQMD and elsewhere across the

 5  State.

 6           I will explain those a little better in more

 7  detail in just a minute.

 8                            --o0o--

 9           MR. HIGH:  The next slide is one -- I just want

10  to call to your attention a couple of points on it.  If

11  you look at the cancer burden in each of the categories,

12  you see it's only in three category where there's any

13  difference between Rule 1469 statewide and the PA ATCM.

14  And the total for all facilities, between the two rules,

15  is about a half of a cancer case.

16           The other thing to call to your attention is

17  that -- look at the cancer burden difference up there in

18  the 20,000 to 200,000 category, and you'll see that it's

19  only .02.

20           Next slide.

21                            --o0o--

22           MR. HIGH:  Now, addressing the 20 to 200,000

23  category again.  We only have about nine facilities on the

24  far right column -- there's nine facilities that are less

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 1  And those facilities, we would say, have to meet the

 2  .0015.

 3           But the other facilities, there's 36 others in

 4  that category that are not now compliant with the .0015.

 5  And we're suggesting that those 36, because of their

 6  emission rate or their distance from the receptors, should

 7  be allowed to meet .01 if they can in fact demonstrate

 8  that they're complying with a 1 in a million health risk.

 9           Each facility when they do a compliance plan --

10  as you implement this ATCM statewide and the local

11  districts adopt the appropriate rules, they have to supply

12  a compliance plan showing how they are going to comply.

13  Well, in that they would then have a calculation showing

14  that the MICR for both the MEIR or the MEIW would be below

15  1 in a million, to be allowed to operate at .01 milligrams

16  per amp-hour.  Otherwise they would have to meet the

17  .0015.

18           If the Board approves this modification, the

19  increased emissions statewide will be .074 pounds per

20  year, the increased cancer burden will be only .0035 over

21  a 70-year period, the public health will still be

22  protected, and the savings in capital and O&M costs will

23  be in the millions.

24           Thank you.  I'll answer any questions.

25           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.


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 1           Questions?

 2           If not, Paramo Hernandez.  And then we'll have

 3  Ray Lucas, Sam Bell and Charles Pomeroy.

 4           MR. HERNANDEZ:  Good morning, Dr. Sawyer.  My

 5  name is Paramo Hernandez.  I work as a processing engineer

 6  at Alta Plating and Chemical Corporation here in

 7  Sacramento.  This company is dedicated to serve the metal

 8  finishing needs of a variety of industries, including the

 9  military.

10           Among our different processes we operate the

11  corrective chromium tank that uses about 40,000 amp-hours

12  per year.  We control emissions with the fume

13  suppressants.

14           In addition, I own a small company that consults

15  to small platers in the region.  We do everything for

16  them, from waste treatment consulting to training of

17  employees.  And among those things, I run the -- analysis

18  for about five companies.  They, all of them, are between

19  30 and 40,000 amp-hours per year.  And they -- all of them

20  control their emissions with fume suppressants.  Most of

21  them keep their surface tension between 30 and 35 dynes

22  per centimeter.

23           Many of those companies are located far away from

24  people, far away from houses -- housing.  One of them is

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 1           So I am here today to support the three proposals

 2  of the Surface Technology Association.

 3           Thank you very much.

 4           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

 5           Ray Lucas.

 6                            --o0o--

 7           MR. LUCAS:  Ladies and gentlemen.  My name is Ray

 8  Lucas and I am President of Valley Chrome Plating in

 9  Clovis as well as the President of the National

10  Association of Metal finishers.

11           We are a family-run business with over 100

12  employees.  And our only business is the manufacturing of

13  semi-truck bumpers for the heavy-duty aftermarket.  My

14  company currently has sales of $15 million, and over 90

15  percent of our product is shipped out of state, with over

16  55 percent of that east of the Mississippi.

17           I'd like to talk about the economic impact for a

18  minute.

19           The staff report stated that the cost of the

20  measure is 14.2 million, which is to be borne by about 90

21  facilities.  The staff report also identified that a

22  decline on the return of owner's equity will average about

23  9 percent.  Ten percent is significant.  If you assume a

24  margin of error of plus or minus 1 percent, we're already

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 1           Using CARB data and economics from

 2  Environmentrics, determined that the return on owner's

 3  equity declined to actually be 44 to 60 percent.  This

 4  demonstrates a significant adverse effect on business.

 5                            --o0o--

 6           MR. LUCAS:  If adopted as drafted, the ATCM

 7  causes the closure of 68 California facilities, which is

 8  30 percent, a loss of over 3800 jobs, and a ripple effect

 9  through the manufacturing business in California.

10           This ripple effect for me would be moving out of

11  the State of California.  It would not only affect my

12  employees and their families, but would affect companies

13  in the local economy such as producers of cardboard for my

14  product, machine tool sales, recyclers for steel product,

15  and a host of others.

16           I would guess that many hundreds of Californians

17  would be impacted by this rule just by the relocation of

18  my one company alone.  Add the effect of 50 to 100 other

19  hex chrome platers moving or, more likely, just closing,

20  and this ripple effect will affect thousands of

21  Californians.

22           Also there's an impact on out-of-state

23  competitiveness.  My company is the only company in

24  California that manufactures truck bumpers.  And my only

25  competition is in Alabama and Tennessee.  So these


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 1  companies would not be affected like I would, so it would

 2  be an unfair business advantage for them.

 3           If passed, the proposed ATCM will cost $154

 4  million for cancer case avoided.  The highest previous

 5  CARB-approved ATCM is 18.6 million, resulting in over an

 6  8-fold increase from your highest previous.

 7           The economic analysis by Environmentrics on these

 8  concerns is found in the MAFSC/STA submission.

 9           I urge you to postpone your decision and consider

10  a rule similar to 1469.

11           Thank you.

12           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you very much.

13           Mayor Loveridge.

14           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  If this rule was

15  technology neutral, what impact would it have on the slide

16  that's before us?

17           MR. LUCAS:  Could you repeat that question.  I'm

18  kind of nervous.

19           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  If you need some help,

20  maybe -- I mean this is a very -- I mean a very strong

21  slide.  But I was asking -- it seems to me a major issue

22  has been this notion of technology flexibility.  And if

23  there was technology flexibility, as South Coast and the

24  Bay Area districts have identified as a possible choice,

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 1           MR. LUCAS:  Well, I'm in the 9 million amp-hours

 2  per year range.  So I would have no choice but to put on

 3  HEPA filtration.  If we went with the Rule 1469, it would

 4  cost me some money.  But I guaranty you that staff's

 5  estimate of $50,000 for control technology would not apply

 6  in my case.  It would be closer to 150,000 or $200,000.  I

 7  could comply with 1469 for far less than that.

 8           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Ms. Berg.

 9           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Mr. Lucas, I think that was

10  the question.  If we were -- if we looked at technology

11  neutral, so you had the ability to meet the emissions by

12  proving which technology you wanted to use, do you feel

13  that that would change the economic impact?

14           MR. LUCAS:  I believe it would, yes.  I think it

15  would be far more economical for me if I was able to meet

16  the rule however I needed to.

17           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Thank you.

18           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Charles Pomeroy.  And then

19  we'll Jane Williams, Paula Forbis, and Maria Brook.

20           Oh, I'm sorry.  Excuse me.  I skipped over Sam

21  Bell.

22                            --o0o--

23           MR. BELL:  Good morning, Mr. Sawyer and members

24  of the Board.  My name is Sam Bell, I'm a family owner of

25  Metal Surfaces, Incorporated, which is located in Bell


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 1  Gardens, California.  We are an engineering plating job

 2  shop.  I employ about 150 people, and we support through

 3  insurance and benefits about 500 family members.

 4           I'm affiliated with the Board of Directors for

 5  the National Association of Metal Finishing, for the Metal

 6  Finishing Association of Southern California, and I'm the

 7  past President of Metal Finishing Association of Southern

 8  California.  I also am the Chair of the Industry Advisory

 9  Council with the L.A. County Sanitation Districts.

10           I was a signatory in good faith on 1469 with the

11  negotiated rule making and had counted on that being a

12  done deal.  It looks like it's gone a step further than

13  that at this point in time.

14           The industry that I serve:  The automobile

15  industry, the aerospace industry, medical, the energy

16  industry, communications, computer industry, among other

17  industries.  If I give up my black chrome operation, which

18  I can easily do, but I will lose a lot of this synergetic

19  processes that I process for these other facilities.

20  Black chrome is a minor portion of my operation.  I'm just

21  over the 200,000 limit.  But if I elect to give that up,

22  then I would lose a lot of the synergy of other processes

23  that we perform.

24           Our customer base is from all over the United

25  States, California.  And we're having to compete against


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 1  other American companies that have outsourced overseas

 2  into Mexico, companies that have fewer environmental

 3  regulations and less government oversight.  So it becomes

 4  an unfair business advantage to become more strict than

 5  what we need to be to meet the new rule.

 6           As far as communications with agencies, I've

 7  invited and have given tours of our facility to regulators

 8  and politicians to demonstrate to them the necessity and

 9  ability of our industry.

10           We consider ourselves to be global

11  environmentalists.  What we treat here keeps it from being

12  treated worst somewhere else throughout the world.

13           The SCAQMD's alternative, we feel, is acceptable

14  in almost everything that they propose, and that the

15  alternative will help industry and lessen the economic

16  impact.

17                            --o0o--

18           MR. BELL:  The alternative compares favorably

19  with the SCAQMD's suggestion other than the three

20  modifications that our industry was asking for through Mr.

21  Dean High.  Before you is the chart that kind of shows

22  differences.  And if you look at the different items, on

23  the right-hand column almost everything is in concert with

24  the SCAQMD's requirement except the one that you see up

25  there in blue that has been proposed in the -- in our


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 1  comments to the Board.

 2           Thank you very much.  Any questions?

 3           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

 4           If not, now Mr. Pomeroy.

 5           MR. POMEROY:  Thank you.

 6                            --o0o--

 7           MR. POMEROY:  Last night I was thinking about the

 8  proposed ATCM and the metal finisher associations that I

 9  represent when I opened a fortune cookie.  It says, "You

10  have the ability to nurture and work creatively with

11  others."

12           (Laughter.)

13           MR. POMEROY:  We have come really close to

14  reaching a solution that achieves CARB's objectives, but

15  at a high cost to this industry.  I think that fortune was

16  meant to convey the opportunity for the metal finishing

17  associations to further work together with CARB to reach a

18  mutually satisfactory solution.  Our multiple written

19  submissions and testimony show economic concerns

20  substantiating the extreme cost of this proposal.  And I

21  can discuss them with you.

22           The economic issues are but one powerful reason

23  to postpone a decision today so that CARB and the

24  stakeholders can reconsider more options.  Still, the

25  metal finisher associations can agree to most of today's


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 1  proposal.  The metal finishers associations want to

 2  protect human health and the environment, and three

 3  changes they offer can reach that goal at a fraction of

 4  the current proposal's costs.

 5                            --o0o--

 6           MR. POMEROY:  Those three:

 7           Change No. 1:  Provide flexibility -- technology

 8  neutral, as you call it -- to achieve the 0015 milligram

 9  per amp-hour standard.  Mandatory and expensive equipment

10  installations make no economic, legal or practical sense

11  if other options are available and have been demonstrated,

12  such as we've shown today.

13           Change No. 2:  The metal finishers associations

14  want all technologies fairly and objectively considered,

15  including foam blankets.  We ask that actual testing be

16  performed on this type of technologies and others before

17  rejecting viable solutions that protect human health.

18           The third change is:  We want site risk to drive

19  the need for more control at facilities operating at less

20  than 200 milligrams per amp -- or 200,000 amp-hours per

21  year.  This means facilities at 25 meters or greater from

22  sensitive receptors that can demonstrate 1 in a million

23  risk or less should meet .01 milligrams versus the double

24  015.  The proposal uses 1 in a million risk for facilities

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 1  a the 20,000 amp-hour a year standard.

 2           The option is safe and health protective.  We'd

 3  like you to adopt these changes.  Two of our changes are

 4  in the AQMD proposal, which is a framework we could

 5  discuss and agree to.  We hope you'll consider postponing

 6  your decision so that the various proposals can be

 7  considered.

 8           Despite the cost, metal finishers associations

 9  agreed to most of today's proposal.  We are so close to

10  mutual agreement.  We want the final chance for the

11  fortune.  And like the fortune said, "To nurture and work

12  creatively with CARB to reach common ground."  The metal

13  finishers have done it before, can do so again.  We ask

14  for that chance.

15           And I'm ready to answer any and all of the

16  questions from the slides you've seen presented today.

17           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Are there any questions from

18  the Board?

19           I would like to thank you for putting together,

20  organizing the presentation which you've had over the last

21  hour or so.  I think it was very logically presented and

22  it provided us contact with a range of people who are

23  involved in your industry.

24           So thank you for putting that together.

25           MR. POMEROY:  Thank you.


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 1           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Okay.  Next, Jane Williams.

 2           MS. WILLIAMS:  Thank you, Dr. Sawyer, members of

 3  the Board.  I'm Jane Williams.  I'm the Executive Director

 4  of California Communities Against Toxics, which is a

 5  statewide network of over 70 environmental justice

 6  organizations in the state.  Many of them represent

 7  communities or actually are communities living next to

 8  chrome plating facilities.

 9           And you've heard a lot of very interesting

10  testimony today, with industry wanting compliance

11  flexibility.  Most of my members would not support

12  compliance flexibility because they feel they've been

13  victimized by a lack of compliance with these types of

14  facilities.

15           The proposal that you have before you is a

16  protective proposal that relies upon redundant air

17  pollution control systems to help control the risk from

18  these facilities, which I know that some members of

19  industry think that there is no risk remaining from these

20  facilities.  But actually even with current controls, I

21  can tell you that we have four cancer cluster

22  investigations over the last three years next to chrome

23  plating facilities.

24           We have 18 children with leukemia next to the

25  Marquin facility.  We had a cancer cluster investigation


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 1  in Upland that folks are concerned could be related to a

 2  chrome plating facility.  And back in the eighties we had

 3  basically a reproductive health cluster investigation next

 4  to a facility here in Sacramento near Calvine Florin.  And

 5  as well, there's some folks here that are going to talk

 6  about the Remco facility.  And then of course many of you

 7  are familiar with the Suva School problem that we had in

 8  Los Angeles, which was one of the impetuses for South

 9  Coast's regulation.

10           So I just want to remind you that -- there's been

11  a lot of talk here about the $14 million cost.  One child

12  cancer is about a million dollars to treat.  So Dr. Gong's

13  emphasis on the public health problems and the public

14  health costs is very real.

15           There's a bit of a wrinkle here that I need to

16  make the Board aware of, however.  The staff proposal was

17  relying upon fume suppressants that are actually based

18  upon a chemical that's being phased out.  Its PFAS

19  P-F-A-S.  It's sub-class of PFOS, which many of you may be

20  aware of is being phased out by U.S. EPA.

21           I had my toxicologist do some research this

22  morning.  And I don't -- it wasn't mentioned in the staff

23  report.  But the U.S. EPA Science Advisory Board actually

24  forwarded a report back in March of this year basically

25  saying that PFAS, which is what is in these chemical


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 1  suppressants that are being used, has the same structure

 2  activity relationships of PFOS.  They're a developmental

 3  toxin, a reproductive toxin and a carcinogen.  And there's

 4  epidemiological studies linking them to bladder cancer.

 5           So this all points to, you know, a very difficult

 6  policy decision.  It's very clear that these facilities

 7  need more regulations, that with the existing current

 8  controls -- you know, it could be that there's a

 9  compliance problem that's causing really dramatic public

10  health impacts next to the facilities.  It could be that

11  even with the current controls that, you know, we're never

12  going to get the kind of reductions in risk that we

13  actually need next to these facilities.

14           And one of the things that I would like the Board

15  to think about is that the Department of Defense is

16  engaging on a very, very productive effort, spending a lot

17  of money, with a goal of phasing out the use of hexavalent

18  chromium for all Department of Defense applications.  And

19  as you're going to hear from the folks at Remco, they

20  actually used to plate the tops of carriers because --

21           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  I must ask you to conclude

22  please.

23           MS. WILLIAMS:  So if the Department of Defense

24  can get a goal of phasing out the use of chrome plating, I

25  would urge the Board to be thinking about this and


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 1  basically piggybacking on that effort, since it's very

 2  clear that the risks from these facilities is very high

 3  and we're not sure what the risks are from the fume

 4  suppressants.

 5           Thank you.

 6           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Ms. Berg.

 7           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Excuse me.  Could I ask a

 8  question?

 9           MS. WILLIAMS:  Sure.

10           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Do you have any feel for the

11  number of facilities that are close to sensitive receptors

12  out of the 220 facilities we're looking at?

13           MS. WILLIAMS:  Well, from my own personal

14  experience -- I mean we have active disease cluster

15  investigations at five facilities.  And I know that

16  there's a website that L.A.U.S.D. has that actually maps

17  where schools are in the L.A.U.S.D. area and facilities of

18  concern which include chrome plating facilities.  I don't

19  have an exact number.

20           But just from my own personal experience,

21  there's -- you know, it's a very significant problem.  It

22  was one of the reasons that we put so much effort into the

23  land-use planning handbook, was to try to give land-use

24  planners and at least new schools that are being built

25  some direction on how to, you know, deal with siting


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 1  chrome plating facilities.

 2           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  But do you think it would be

 3  fair to say if we really could get down and deal with

 4  facilities that are -- just for whatever reason, they're

 5  just not located at the right place, if we really dealt

 6  with those and didn't put the rest of the burden -- I mean

 7  had controls on the industry, but not to the point where

 8  we're shutting them down -- would that make sense?

 9           MS. WILLIAMS:  Well, I think my members would say

10  that it's not just co-location at schools.  It's

11  co-location with residents as well.

12           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  No, residences.  I agree.

13  No, I mean residence within that sense.

14           MS. WILLIAMS:  Well, you know, I know that your

15  staff would tell you that the -- you know, the emissions

16  drop off fairly significantly within a certain buffer zone

17  distance, and you are -- the staff is requesting a

18  300-meter buffer zone.  And the way that that proposal is

19  written, it would actually creative a disincentive for

20  planners to put sensitive receptors, to put kids and

21  residences there.  But, you know, and you're asking me a

22  question that I would have to really give some thought to.

23  You're saying that let's not burden the entire industry

24  because we've got these few --

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 1  them neutral and then deal with the ones that are right

 2  next door that -- I don't know.  It's just a thought I was

 3  just asking you.

 4           MS. WILLIAMS:  Yeah.  I mean I would just submit

 5  that I -- you know, $14 million for the staff's proposal

 6  to me seems like a very modest cost.  And I would also

 7  just add that we had supported creating a pot of funding

 8  at the California Pollution Control Financing Authority

 9  for grants and loans to small businesses to comply with

10  this type of rule because of the tremendous risk that it

11  poses.  And I mean I have spoken with ARB staff about

12  this.  If we would be supportive, both administration and

13  in the Legislature to move forward with a sort of the

14  second wave of what was in Nunez bill to create more

15  funding that would be available.  This is certainly a

16  very, very high risk type of industry, very problematic.

17  I am totally understanding that the small business

18  component of it needs that kind of government to support.

19  And that was what the California Pollution Control

20  Financing Authority was originally created to do, was to

21  provide low interest loans and grants exactly for this

22  thing.

23           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Thank you very much.

24           MS. WILLIAMS:  Okay.  Thank.

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 1  answer to your question about how many facilities are

 2  located near residences.  Ninety of the 220 are within 100

 3  meters.

 4           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Thank you very much.

 5           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Ms. D'Adamo.

 6           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  Jane, could you come

 7  back.

 8           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  Just a couple of

 9  questions.

10           Realistically, what sort of funding opportunities

11  are there through the California Pollution -- I don't

12  recall the name of the fund.

13           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  The California

14  Air Pollution Control Financing Authority.  They have a

15  modest amount of money every year, I think in the 1 to $3

16  million range.

17           And what Ms. Williams was referring to is a

18  legislative proposal that would piggyback on the perk

19  funding source where dry cleaners are being levied a fee

20  to be administered in helping them comply with future

21  rules.  And the same idea was raised for chrome, and it

22  didn't pass the Legislature at the time for whatever

23  reason.

24           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  Okay.  And then also a

25  question on the --


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 1           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Excuse

 2  me.  I have more information on funding that may be

 3  available for these facilities.

 4           The Legislature did pass and the Governor signed

 5  a program that would provide for loan guarantees for small

 6  chrome plating businesses.  And if you would like more

 7  information about that program, we do have someone here

 8  from the Business, Transportation and Housing Agency that

 9  is administering the program that could give you some more

10  details of that if you're interested.

11           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  I think it would be

12  helpful just to have a little bit of information now on

13  the interest rate and...

14           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  This is

15  Mr. Glenn Stober from Business, Transportation and

16  Housing.

17           MR. STOBER:  Answer to the question about the

18  loan guaranty program.  State for a number of years has

19  provided access to capital for small businesses through

20  loan guarantees.  AB 721 expands our program now to

21  provide a component for metal plating facilities.

22           And the real benefit from it is, you know, if a

23  company that has to comply with these new regulations is

24  having difficulty getting financing on their own, you

25  know, through a bank, that we can work with the bank


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 1  through our financial development corporations that we've

 2  got it on the state to try to arrange that financing by

 3  guarantying a portion of the loan.

 4           It doesn't fit for everybody because with regard

 5  to interest rate, you know, we're dealing with bank

 6  interest rates basically, we're dealing with the private

 7  sector in term of lending.

 8           Normally in the past on environmental type of

 9  financing programs when the state has wanted to do a

10  low-interest-type of thing, it's always been a direct loan

11  by the state because the state can basically subsidize

12  that type of financing, dealing with, you know, bank

13  loans, we'll be dealing with the private sector.  But we

14  will be extending credit to some of these companies that

15  they otherwise wouldn't be able to get.

16           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  Okay.  And then also a

17  question regarding the chemical that is being phased out.

18           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  The PFOS

19  compounds.  Yes, this is a -- pretty much it is the active

20  ingredient in a chemical fume suppressant.  It is the

21  ingredient that allows the surface tension to be reduced.

22  I am not sure that "phaseout" is exactly the correct way

23  to characterize it.  There is a possibility that these

24  compounds could become subject to a significant new use

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 1  But it is our understanding in talking to U.S. EPA about

 2  this that they wouldn't necessarily be phasing out the

 3  compounds.  But anybody wanting to use them would have to

 4  go through a review process to see if that would be an

 5  acceptable use of these compounds, such that it --

 6  "phaseout" maybe isn't the exact terminology.

 7           And we obviously are aware of this.  And we do

 8  address it in the staff report and recognize that there

 9  could be some small impact.  But we're not really aware of

10  any other compound that is as effective at reducing the

11  emissions from these tanks.  They're stable compounds so

12  they stand up to the rigor of the bath environment.

13           But there are really no direct air emissions of

14  these chemicals.  They stay with the bath.  And they are

15  not present on the plated part once it's plated.  So the

16  amount of PFOS that would actually be entered into the

17  environment from their use in plating we estimate is a

18  very, very, very small amount.

19           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  Do you have plans to

20  follow up on the issue or, you know, contingency plans in

21  the event that it becomes more serious of an issue than

22  what you described?

23           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Well,

24  obviously if use of these compounds would become

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 1  Board and with amendments to the rule, because clearly we

 2  are relying on the chemical fume suppressants that contain

 3  this compound for compliance for a number of facilities.

 4           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  And I guess I don't really

 5  understand the nature of the suppressant.  Is the entire

 6  package hinged on that?  In other words what would happen

 7  if individuals invest in the new technology -- businesses

 8  invest in the new technology and then later on the

 9  worst-case scenario, the chemical is phased out?

10           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Well, the

11  proposal before you today, the facilities that would be

12  relying on fume suppressants as the sole control, those

13  are the very small facilities, businesses that under the

14  staff's proposal would be required to put an add-on

15  control device, they would still be able to comply with

16  our emission rates without the use of fume suppressants.

17  However, most facilities that have the option to use fume

18  suppressants will do that, because it is a mechanism to

19  save the wear on their filters and the loading on their

20  filters.

21           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  Thank you.

22           MS. WILLIAMS:  You know, just to clarify.  It's

23  the chemical itself that's being phased out, not the fume

24  suppressants.  In fact, U.S. EPA has a consent decree with

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 1  the use of PFOS.  And by 2020 they're going to phase out

 2  another 15 percent.  So it's chemical itself, not this

 3  particular use.

 4           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Mayor Loveridge.

 5           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  Chromium is obviously

 6  bad stuff.  But you -- just very quickly, you had kind of

 7  an interesting call at the end, somehow we ought to hook

 8  our efforts with the Defense Department.  You have any

 9  policy thoughts about what that possibility is?

10           MS. WILLIAMS:  You know, the Defense Department's

11  holding a large conference back in -- back east later in

12  October, where they're going to be rolling out a lot of

13  the research that they've done and alternatives.  What I'm

14  saying is is that you may want to take a look, say, two

15  years from now about what the alternatives are.  The

16  industry itself and the state can't spend -- you know,

17  they're literally spending over $10 million to come up

18  with alternatives to hexavalent chromium.  They have a

19  goal of not using any chromium at all through the entire

20  Department of Defense.  And the key thing there is that

21  it's the hardness as well as the actual protection of the

22  metal.  And, you know, when you look in the staff report,

23  you'll see the trivalent chromium.  Some people say it

24  doesn't require -- it doesn't have the hardness that's

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 1           And so what I'm saying is is that -- you know, if

 2  it's good enough for a bomber, it's good enough for a

 3  bumper.  If the DOD can configured this out for their uses

 4  that they require for the defense industry, then we should

 5  be taking a look at that.  And we shouldn't just like let

 6  this rule go by and then sort of not look at it again for

 7  another ten years when, you know, the Department of

 8  Defense is really putting a major technological investment

 9  into this problem and this question.  And they're doing it

10  primarily because of worker health and safety issues.

11           Any more questions?

12           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Ms. Williams and

13  I talked about this issue before the hearing.  And I said,

14  yes, of course we will stay apprised of those

15  developments.  We examined whether the rule could require

16  sources to go to trivalent chromium and get rid of hex

17  chromium for the kind of plating that's being regulated

18  today, and concluded it was not feasible yet for hardness

19  reasons, for color reasons.  But the industry itself --

20  and, as Jane indicated, the military wants to get away

21  from hexavalent chromium because it is so toxic.

22           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Dr. Gong.

23           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Yes.  Quick question for

24  staff about the foam blankets.  I assume that the staff is

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 1           Could you clarify that a little bit?

 2           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Sure.

 3  First of all, we are not really prohibiting the use of the

 4  foam blankets as industry has suggested.  But what we are

 5  requiring is that if industry wants to use a foam blanket,

 6  they must also use it in combination with one of the

 7  specified chemical fume suppressants.

 8           We do have some issues with the foaming type of

 9  chemical fume suppressant because, as was alluded to

10  earlier, you do need to put current into the bath to build

11  the foam.  And this is not an instantaneous process.  It

12  will begin foaming, but it will take a little bit of time,

13  maybe a minute, maybe two minutes, to build to the correct

14  thickness.  So over that time, you potentially have

15  emissions that are not controlled to the extent that you

16  would be led to believe from the source test that we have

17  here.

18           And in point of fact, we know of some platers

19  that have a permit condition that they're supposed to use

20  a foam blanket all the time while they're plating.  And in

21  this instance, what a plater was doing was he would take a

22  junk part, put it into his bath, and begin plating to

23  build the foam.  Now, I have my foam blanket, so now I

24  will do my plating.  But we've had all of these emissions

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 1  have concerns about use of them and the way decorative

 2  plating is done.  It's not an ongoing process where you're

 3  constantly applying current.  Sometimes you won't use your

 4  bath more than several times a day.  So every time you'd

 5  have to go through the process of rebuilding the foam

 6  blanket.

 7           STATIONARY SOURCE DIVISION CHIEF FLETCHER:  I'd

 8  just like to clarify too, just to make sure there's no

 9  confusion.  There was a comment about the SCAQMD

10  certifying the foam blanket.  And they have done that in

11  combination with a fume suppressant in order to meet the

12  .01 standard.  So that is not a certification to the .0015

13  standard.  And for the reasons Carla outlined, we are not

14  accepting that certification even to meet the .01 because

15  of the concerns that we have.  You can use it, but you

16  must use it in combination with a certified fume

17  suppressant.

18           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Mrs. Riordan.

19           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Yes, Mr. Chairman.

20           Just to staff.  If the chrome plater had done the

21  process correctly, not put in the old part and what have

22  you, would then everything have worked appropriately in

23  your mind?

24           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  You mean

25  in terms of actually correctly plating his part?


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 1           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Yes.

 2           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  He would

 3  have correctly plated his part.  But the emission control

 4  would not be what we would have anticipated because he

 5  would not have the foam blanket built.

 6           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Right.  But if he had it

 7  built correctly --

 8           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Yes.

 9           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  -- then everything else

10  is -- from that point on is going to happen?

11           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Yes.

12           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Okay.  So essentially what

13  you're saying is, if it is not done appropriately, it

14  doesn't work?  I mean there are, you know, imperfections.

15  But isn't that true of almost any process that we look at?

16  I mean if you have somebody that's incorrectly, you know,

17  administering these, that you can have these variations

18  which cause then the emissions to occur?

19           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  I

20  wouldn't say that he was being incorrect.  He was a

21  following a permit condition to build the foam blanket

22  before he began plating.

23           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  But could he have been

24  educated to do it in a way that was, you know, correct?

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 1  think what's going on here is that when you build the

 2  blanket, you get emissions.  And so if once it's built you

 3  plate continuously, then during the time you're plating

 4  continuously you don't get those blanket-building

 5  emissions.  And so if you have intermittent operations you

 6  have to keep rebuilding, and there's just emissions

 7  associated with rebuilding.

 8           The HEPA filter is insensitive to on, off, on,

 9  off, on, off.  So that's why the HEPA filter is more

10  protective and has more emissions control than the

11  suppressant -- than the foam blanket just, you know, side

12  by side.

13           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  I think I'm confused, because

14  I think we heard testimony that says that the blanket can

15  last for two or three days.

16           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Did you hear that

17  answer?  The lower surface tension lasts two to three

18  days, but not the blanket.

19           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Okay.

20           AIR QUALITY MEASURES BRANCH CHIEF BROOKS:  This

21  is Janet Brooks.  I wanted to also clarify that with the

22  foaming fume suppressant that's just used alone that South

23  Coast certified, that is to the emission rate that allows

24  more emissions.  The alternative process that we have for

25  the intermediate facilities, that is to meet a very, very


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 1  low emission rate that's equivalent to what add-on

 2  controls could do.

 3           So I think what you were talking about was if the

 4  fume suppressant -- a foaming fume suppressant is used

 5  alone, once the foam has built, you know, what is it

 6  emitting to?  Well, it's emitting to that .01.  But we

 7  don't think that's enough for the really big facilities.

 8  They need to control to .0015.  And we don't think with

 9  the foaming suppressant alone they can meet that low

10  emission rate.  But you heard about a source test where

11  they had a foaming fume suppressant plus polyballs --

12  other, you know, things in the tank to help the control

13  where they got the lower emission rate that we're shooting

14  for.

15           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  I think you bring up a very

16  good point.  And, that is, that each facility operator

17  knows their business best.  And if they can put together

18  technologies that meet the rule -- that's what I'm

19  struggling -- doesn't that make sense?

20           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Paula Forbis.

21           MS. FORBIS:  Good morning, Chairman Sawyer and

22  members of the Board.  My name is Paula Forbis and I'm

23  here today representing Environmental Health Coalition.

24           EHC is a grass-roots organization with a 26-year

25  history of working on issues of environmental justice in


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 1  communities of color in San Diego.  We submitted written

 2  comments on behalf of EHC and 13 other environmental and

 3  environmental justice organizations from around the state.

 4           EHC was pleased to work with ARB in the San Diego

 5  APCD to address problems with Master Plating in the Barrio

 6  Logan community of San Diego.  As has been mentioned here

 7  today, Master Plating was a small chrome plater, operating

 8  at less than 40,000 ampere-hours per year.  It was found

 9  through an ARB monitoring program to be causing a cancer

10  risk of 114 cancers per million to the residents located

11  next door, the Martinez family.

12           And just in point of fact to the discussion that

13  you just had, they were using the Dismist NP foam blanket

14  as their control technology and were found to be in

15  compliance with that by both APCD and ARB at the time

16  these high emissions were recorded.

17           As you can see from the photo that I passed

18  around, the poster of the poster child, if you will, this

19  is an issue of extreme proximity.  Master Plating was

20  located about six feet from the Martinez family household.

21  And a child that moved in next door to that facility was

22  diagnosed with very severe asthma within months of moving

23  in.  His mother was diagnosed with severe asthma several

24  years later.  And since the closure of Master Plating

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 1           As was mentioned, Master Plating has since ceased

 2  operation.  But we're still deeply concerned about this

 3  issue because we know that it was not an isolated incident

 4  and that plating shops are still located next to homes and

 5  schools in low income communities of color around the

 6  state.  It is in this context that I want to thank your

 7  staff for their hard work on this issue and say that while

 8  we find this proposal to be a big improvement over the

 9  current ATCM, we would request that you adopt the proposed

10  ATCM with one major amendment.  And that is simply that at

11  a minimum all existing sources within 1,000 feet or 300

12  meters of a sensitive receptor be equipped with HEPA

13  filtration or equivalent add-on controls.

14           As was noted in the staff report and repeatedly

15  mentioned today by your staff, add-on controls are the

16  most effective means of controlling hexavalent chromium.

17  With efficiency ratings of 99.97 percent, they are 85

18  percent more effective than fume suppressants alone.  And

19  fume suppressants are simply not as effective, even when

20  used in combination with mechanical suppressants such as

21  polyballs.

22           ARB's own testing program showed that by a

23  contrast add-am pollution control devices provide a

24  consistent level of control regardless of operating

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 1  add-on controls for small and intermediate facilities due

 2  to the supposedly small health risks that they pose to

 3  their neighbors.

 4           Yet there are two reasons that the actual cancer

 5  risks from these facilities is likely to be higher than is

 6  indicated in the staff report.  First, the cancer risk

 7  assessment completed for volume sources, those sources

 8  using fume suppressants as their mechanism of control,

 9  arrived at a cancer risk of 1 per million at a distance of

10  20 meters, or 60 feet, from the facility.

11           Again, facilities like Master Plating and others

12  around the state have residents that are located well

13  within that distance.  And the ARB staff report notes that

14  they cannot accurately calculate what the risk is to those

15  extreme near-source receptors.

16           Also, the staff report notes that fugitive dust

17  from these facilities may add to the risk.  And that is

18  not included in the risk assessment due to a lack of

19  information about the issue.

20           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  I need to ask you to

21  conclude please.

22           MS. FORBIS:  Okay.  Nor is there a plan for

23  follow-up testing for the dust control measures as to

24  determine their effectiveness after the fact.

25           Requiring add-on controls for existing sources


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 1  also brings a measure of internal consistency to your rule

 2  and treats new sources the same as existing sources, and

 3  is also consistent with your air quality and land-use

 4  handbook.

 5           For existing chrome platers within a thousand

 6  feet of a receptor not to be -- existing chrome platers

 7  within a thousand feet of a sensitive receptor are not

 8  being required to relocate.  What we are asking is that

 9  they be required to put on the most reliable and most

10  effective technology that's available.   That's HEPA

11  filtration or an equivalent add-on control.

12           The residence that live next door to these

13  facilities have suffered for too long and they deserve at

14  least that much from you.

15           Thank you very much.

16           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

17           All right.  Our final three speakers will be

18  Anita Sison, Bonnie Holmes-Gen, and Bill Magavern.

19           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Marisa Brook

20  first.

21           MS. BROOK:  Maria Brook.

22           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  I'm sorry.

23           Maria Brook.

24           MS. BROOK:  Thank you for your patience.

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 1  Willits in the County of Mendocino.

 2           I have a three-minute content.  But because of my

 3  legal blindness, it may take me a little longer.  Please

 4  indulge me.

 5           I am an unwilling entrant in the worst-case

 6  scenario derby.  I come from a small town that from 1964

 7  to 1996 the one major industry was a chrome plating

 8  plant -- heavy chrome -- called Remco.  This plant ran

 9  three full shifts around the clock in service to Pentagon

10  contracts for plating aircraft carrier decks and

11  long-range missile hydraulics.

12           They illegally and wantonly dumped toxic waste

13  throughout the town and the entire surrounding valley.  We

14  are now struggling with the huge plumes of solvents and

15  heavy metals, most prevalently hex chrome.  And the

16  remediation process is still in the early stages even

17  though it has been ten years that the plant has closed.

18           We now know that it was the unrestrained air

19  emissions that posed the greatest threat to our health.

20  And the consequences of breathing hex chrome our only now

21  being manifested.  This is because the plant is located

22  directly across a very small street from the junior high

23  school and the hospital.  You are farther away from me

24  right now than the plant was.  The plant was closer to me

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 1           I want to say that sensitive receptors have

 2  names.  And I share with you Jeannie.  She was raised and

 3  went to school in Willits.  And after her high school

 4  graduation, she moved away to the Bay Area, as the

 5  majority of our young people do from rural areas.  She

 6  went to college, worked hard, got married and had two

 7  children, a son and a daughter.

 8           One and a half years ago she complained of

 9  persistent cough and unexplained weight loss.  She was

10  treated for emphysema and counseled on eating disorders.

11  It was only by chance that a routine x-ray located stage 4

12  cancer that had already metastasized to her brain and

13  bones.

14           None of her doctors thought to look for lung

15  cancer, despite her classic symptoms, because she was only

16  27 years old.

17           I'm sorry.  I do get emotional.  I was that

18  family's midwife.

19           Jeannie died six months ago, a tragic death.  And

20  it would be as tragic if she had been hit by a bus.  The

21  greater tragedy is she is just the first, but certainly

22  not the last, of cancer fatalities due to inhaled hex

23  chromium in people under 35.  As our school children were

24  exposed and are now leaving the latency period, the bill

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 1           What we need of this Board is simple:  Strong

 2  regulatory standards to keep the toxics contained

 3  effectively and even stronger consequences for

 4  noncompliance, to truly prevent emissions on every working

 5  level.

 6           I hope our towns -- and there are many of them --

 7  the lethal experience that we are undergoing serves as a

 8  warning and an example of why the new regulations are so

 9  necessary.  The cost of compliance pales in comparison to

10  the cost the state will bear assuming medical care for

11  those people, like myself, my family members and my entire

12  town, which has been designated at risk by ATSDR and the

13  California Department of Health Services.

14           We are now labeled as having a preexisting

15  condition for simply breathing.  Of course, this means

16  more people will be without health coverage and fall upon

17  the state for their medical care.

18           I urge you as a citizen to perform your duties

19  with good conscience.  I urge you as a taxpayer to place

20  the burden of prevention upon the industry that benefits.

21  And I urge you as a mother and grandmother to help protect

22  the good people in all of these impact and impact-possible

23  areas from the ongoing pain of ill health, fear and dread

24  that our children are under a death sentence waiting to be

25  randomly called to their execution.


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 1           Thank you.  I welcome your questions.

 2           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

 3           Do we have any questions from the Board?

 4           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  No.  But thank you very much

 5  for coming.  And I know it was a lot of trouble.  And that

 6  was -- I appreciate that.

 7           MS. BROOK:  Thank you.

 8           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Anita Sison.

 9           MS. SISON:  Thank you very much for hearing this

10  public commentary.  My name is Anita Sison.  Excuse me for

11  a second.

12           I also live in Willitts.  And I've come here to

13  put a human face on hexavalent chrome and the whole

14  industry, because I have heard so many of the statistics

15  and the percentages and the amount of variabilities as to

16  how many people will be affected and what the economic

17  cost to an industry would be, which are all very valid

18  points.

19           But there's not much of the human element

20  involved in this entire hearing, in my viewpoint.  I have

21  one son who has severe neurological problems.  I have

22  property that's within the plume of this site that is now

23  no longer functioning.  My son is 22 years old.  I don't

24  know whether or not his symptoms are due to this exposure,

25  because I don't see any reports from anyone talking about


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 1  how does this affect infants, children, women of

 2  child-bearing age, the elderly, the human cost, which I

 3  think is much more dramatic than any cost to an industry

 4  to put extra ventilation, extra facilities to make this

 5  heavily toxic substance -- it will never be nonexistent.

 6  The universe always has all the atoms still in the air.

 7           So whether or not you put a HEPA filter on it or

 8  not, it's still going to be around for somebody else to

 9  take care of.

10           The site has been closed for ten years.  There is

11  still very little happening in our community.  And I

12  would -- in terms of remediation.  There is lawsuits

13  involved.  There is all kinds of legalese happening.

14           But what I would like this commission to look at

15  is possibly come to our town.  We are the perfect petri

16  dish for what happens with a site.  We've been closed down

17  for ten years, and the residual effect is still coming on

18  and on and on.

19           If you want a site, we're the perfect ones.  I

20  realize that we don't have the population base that might

21  be statistically accurate, but we're a start.  And that

22  would be my request.

23           Thank you very much.

24           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you, Ms. Sison.

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 1  thank you again.  I know that it's hard to come and the

 2  inconvenience of driving and coming.  And I really

 3  appreciate that you took the time.

 4           MS. SISON:  Thank you.  It's not an

 5  inconvenience.  And I wish more people were here to speak

 6  to you from the human side of this industry.

 7           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  I appreciate you putting a

 8  face to it.

 9           MS. SISON:  Thank you.

10           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Bonnie Holmes-Gen.

11           MS. HOLMES-GEN:  Good afternoon.  Bonnie

12  Holmes-Gen with the American Lung Association of

13  California.

14           And as a health organization, we are of course

15  extremely concerned with the public health toll of

16  chromium emissions and the high cancer risk and the other

17  respiratory health impacts.  You've heard a very moving

18  and human discussion of the public health toll, the human

19  toll, the emotional toll of people that are living in

20  close proximity to these facilities.  And I can't even

21  imagine having to live with my family having to breathe in

22  those emissions day after day.

23           As you've said, it's of course very difficult to

24  quantify those public health impacts, to quantify the

25  impact -- the costs of the cancers, the costs of the


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 1  asthma attacks, medical expenses, hospitalizations,

 2  medications, premature death.  But we are -- we know that

 3  those costs are extremely high and we believe that the

 4  public health costs far overwhelm any cost of regulation

 5  that you're considering today.

 6           We're here basically to back up the

 7  recommendations of the Environmental Health Coalition, the

 8  California Community Against Toxics, and the community

 9  groups.  We are pleased that you are considering updating

10  the chrome regulation today.  We support the

11  technology-based approach in the regulation.  We think

12  that's important.  We appreciate the tremendous amount of

13  work that's gone into this regulation.  And what we are

14  urging you today is to build on the strong base that the

15  staff has presented to you with, adopt the regulation but

16  strengthening it, take it one step further and provide

17  that additional public health protection by requiring that

18  HEPA filters or equivalent control devices must be

19  required for all chrome platers within 1,000 feet of

20  sensitive receptors.

21           So we're urging that you again build on the

22  strong base, but just go one step forward to make sure

23  that the regulation is as protective as it can be,

24  especially for the sensitive receptors -- that term sounds

25  so clinical -- for the people, the children in the


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 1  schools, for the people in the hospitals and health care

 2  facilities, people living close to these facilities.  I

 3  think you have a good definition of sensitive receptors in

 4  the reg.

 5           This specific change will make sure that you're

 6  adopting a regulation that provides the greatest level of

 7  public health protection, that will be using technologies

 8  that are reliable and effective, and will make sure that

 9  the regulation is consistent with the land-use handbook,

10  which we also fully supported.

11           Thank you for the time.

12           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

13           Bill Magavern.

14           MR. MAGAVERN:  Mr. Chairman and Board members.

15  I'm Bill Magavern with Sierra Club of California.  And

16  we've been concerned about chromium pollution for a number

17  of years.  We worked a few years ago with the Assembly

18  Environmental Safety and Toxic Materials Committee and

19  worked with speaker Nunez and his staff on their proposal

20  to make some funding available through the program that

21  was described to you earlier.

22           And like the Lung Association, we support the

23  proposal, but with the strengthening amendment that was

24  proposed by the Environmental Health Coalition.  And I

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 1           And I think the industry presentation was very

 2  well organized.  And I appreciate the fact that the

 3  industry really came to this with a constructive attitude.

 4           But I think what the communities are asking for

 5  here is really very reasonable and very compelling,

 6  because what we're saying is that for those sites where

 7  the emissions are coming very close to the people in the

 8  homes, the schools, the hospitals, that we should require

 9  the add-on controls, the HEPA filters or anything

10  equivalent, if that exists.

11           And really the staff report points to that.  It

12  identifies those controls as the best available control

13  technology.  It says that they will give us an 85 percent

14  reduction in the cancer risk.  And right there you can see

15  that this is what we need to do.

16           I also think that we need to look at whether with

17  the fume suppressants we would be allowing for the

18  substitution of another toxin here.  And this is something

19  that I think we need to look at generally when we're

20  talking about how we're going to prevent pollution, is

21  let's not allow for a material that we have now identified

22  as being toxic to be introduced more widely.

23           This is a persistent biocumulative toxin.  I'm

24  talking of course about the PFOS.  And it is addressed in

25  the report, but I think there needs to be a more


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 1  comprehensive evaluation.

 2           And what I don't see in the report is any

 3  indication that the experts on pollution prevention and

 4  hazardous materials at the Department of Toxic Substances

 5  Control were consulted on this.  If they were, that would

 6  be good to know about.  But I think in general, within

 7  this building, the different boards, departments and

 8  offices need so move toward more of a multimedia approach,

 9  and to be looking at, "Well, if we're substituting

10  something and saying that this is going to be good for

11  controlling pollution in one area, is there a danger that

12  we're actually increasing use of a toxin somewhere?"

13           So for all those reasons I think that at least in

14  those areas where you do have people breathing nearby, we

15  need to make sure that all the facilities have the add-on

16  control of the HEPA filtration.

17           Thank you very much.

18           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

19           Ms. Witherspoon.

20           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Yes, Dr. Sawyer.

21  I indicated earlier that we would talk again about how the

22  rule leaves this hearing room and is implemented locally.

23           And I just want to go back to that point, because

24  as you consider what rule it is you want to adopt, there

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 1  debate to continue in local air districts.  And it's

 2  relatively short, so I'm going to read you some key

 3  clauses in state law.

 4           And this is in the Health & Safety Code in the

 5  Toxic Air Contaminant Section.

 6           "Where an airborne toxic control measure requires

 7  the use of a specified method or methods to reduce, avoid

 8  or eliminate the emissions of a toxic air contaminant, a

 9  source may submit to the District an alternative method or

10  methods that will achieve an equal or greater amount of

11  reduction in emissions of and risks associated with that

12  toxic air contaminant.  The District shall approve the

13  proposed alternative method or methods if the operator of

14  the source demonstrates that the method is or the methods

15  are enforceable, that equal or greater amounts of

16  reduction in emissions and risks will be achieved, and it

17  will occur within the same time period as the ATCM."

18           And the paragraph at the very end goes on to say,

19  "The District shall notify the State Board of any action

20  it proposes to take pursuant to this subdivision."

21           So whether you adopt HEPA or not, whether you

22  embrace foam blankets or not, individual source operators

23  may propose to the air district they are in alternatives

24  to those controls.  And they bear the burden of proof.

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 1  executive officer of the Air Resources Board for my

 2  evaluation or to you for your evaluation except through

 3  notification.

 4           And this is true for every toxic control measure

 5  that you ever adopt, not just this one, that that process

 6  can go on locally.

 7           Did you have a question, Dr. Gong?

 8           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:   I guess this is a rather

 9  technically complex thing to deal with.  For example, if

10  we had a HEPA requirement, does that mean that each source

11  would have to demonstrate what the HEPA would have given?

12  And how do you go about doing that?

13           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  The law simply

14  provides for this option.  How it's practically implicated

15  depends on the burden of proof that the district

16  establishes for the source to convince the district that

17  their counter-proposal is as good as the state ATCM.  So

18  that will be a judge locally.

19           Now, we aren't entirely out of the process.  Of

20  course we need to be notified.  Of course we'll have an

21  opinion, a technical opinion about what is a sufficient

22  demonstration.  But it's between the applicant and the

23  district, with our ATCM -- the state's ATCM as the

24  backstop, what alternatives can be considered.

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 1  about alternatives.  There is this pathway to look at --

 2  to continue looking at them.

 3           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  It seems like it would be

 4  much more straightforward if there were a performance

 5  standard though to demonstrate different technologies

 6  meeting the same requirement.

 7           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  I tend to

 8  agree.  And I think part of what comes out is this, we

 9  say, technologically neutral.  And why is our proposal the

10  way it is?  Well, the proposal's the way it is because

11  we've got more than a decade of experience looking at a

12  technology, HEPA Filters, that we have dozens of source

13  tests.  And the source tests show that on average it

14  performs at 75 percent below the passing level for the

15  certification.  And you go out and you get a guaranty with

16  this technology.  And so we said, "That works, we're

17  convinced it works.  That should be the standard."  Now,

18  we have the prospect of other things coming along.  And in

19  reality we have one facility and one test that shows that

20  it can meet the standard level.

21           But that's a long way from showing equivalent

22  performance.  So we've elected to recommend a sure thing.

23  And I guess the issue comes down to:  What do we do if

24  other things come along and in reality, in the real world,

25  offer the same environmental protection and emission


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 1  reduction?  And do we -- what kind of mechanism do we do

 2  that?  We have a mechanism in state law that allows that

 3  to happen to the district.

 4           We would clearly -- if the industry wants to go

 5  that way and we have it for the smaller sources, we need

 6  to work on that to ensure that we understand what it is.

 7  And then if it is truly equivalent in terms of health

 8  protection and emission reductions over time, that would

 9  open the door for I think a change in the ATCM in the

10  future.

11           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Mr. Chairman, I -- this is

12  very helpful though.  I had not remembered that ATCM, you

13  know, sort of understanding that allows for the new

14  technology or existing technology.  And I think it is

15  right that someone who is using it then has that burden.

16  Either they using it or the provider of the technology

17  also can assist in proving that.

18           So I've derived a lot of comfort from your

19  explanation and reminding us what is in the law that

20  allows for us to then move forward.

21           ACTING GENERAL COUNSEL JENNINGS:  Mr. Chairman,

22  for the record, the provision Ms. Witherspoon was

23  referring to was Health & Safety Code Section 39666

24  Subsection F.

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 1           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  Just tell me.  I have no

 2  idea about this.  But I have some kind of chrome plant and

 3  I figured out another technology that works, meets all the

 4  performance standards.  Do I -- what's the timeline on it?

 5  What's the schedule?  I mean I claim I have it and I want

 6  to work with the district.  Do I have to -- I mean help me

 7  understand what an alternative technology choice really

 8  means.  I mean is that a real choice or is it just the

 9  rhetoric of choice?

10           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  The rule that

11  staff is proposing to you has different implementation

12  dates, between two and five years, for moving to the best

13  fume suppressants and to HEPA filters, depending on how

14  close you are to receptors.  And so districts have to

15  match.  When they either readopt our rule by reference or

16  adopt their own version of it locally, they have to be on

17  the same timetable.

18           So I would say before the rule is applicable to

19  an individual facility, if that facility wants to comply

20  by another method, it needs to bring its test results,

21  argumentation, et cetera, into the district and make their

22  case and get technical review at a district.

23           Now, is it a real option or not?  I think it's

24  very hard to prove equivalence with HEPA filtration.  The

25  package proposal that the South Coast submitted to us was


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 1  a combination for that reason.  And so they had at the

 2  very, very largest facilities, like half a dozen or so,

 3  HEPA plus fume suppressants to get added control from

 4  those facilities to make up numerically for a little less

 5  control on the face of it for the smaller facilities, and

 6  then juggling the time tables around.

 7           So it might be hard for a single facility to make

 8  the case.  But if the source test you saw today is

 9  indicative of how operations can be maintained over all

10  operations of a chrome plater, then it's not impossible.

11  So it's a very promising result.  It's not definitive, and

12  there would need to be, you know, replication of those

13  data, examination of the on-again, off-again problem, or

14  anything else that should be looked at.

15           But I think it's within the realm of possibility.

16  And facing a HEPA requirement will stimulate an awful lot

17  of activity to come up with something as good and that's

18  cheaper.

19           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Ms. D'Adamo.

20           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  If you choose to go that

21  route, typically how long does it take to gear up and

22  install a HEPA filter?  And also, are there backlogs as

23  far as ordering and actually getting it over to the plant?

24           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  We

25  actually estimate that there should be about a minimum of


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 1  two years to allow for the whole process of designing,

 2  purchasing, installing HEPA filtration systems.  So that's

 3  kind of why you see the timing in the proposal that we

 4  have before you today, is we think that is the amount of

 5  time that's needed.

 6           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  So this alternative

 7  strategy wouldn't work for someone that's at the early

 8  end?

 9           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Well, the rule

10  does not take effect the moment you adopt it.  We have to

11  go through -- do we have 15-day changes on this one? -- so

12  we have 15-day changes.  We have an additional comment

13  period.  We have to file it with the Office of

14  Administrative Law.  A few more months are going to go by

15  just processing whatever your decision is today.  And so

16  that certainly is time that can be spent on examination of

17  alternatives.

18           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  And the two year is

19  closest -- the group that comes in at two years is closest

20  to the sensitive receptors?

21           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Receptors, right.

22  And largest amp-hours.

23           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  Okay.

24           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Ms. Berg.

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 1  Mr. Jenne can correct me if I'm wrong.  But normally on

 2  ATCMs the compliance period wouldn't start -- the clock

 3  wouldn't start running for the compliance period until

 4  four months after the ATCM becomes effective as a matter

 5  of state law.

 6           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  It might be six.

 7  I was wondering the same thing.  The districts have six

 8  months to adopt the equivalent or better.  And does that

 9  eat into the compliance period or add to it?

10           SENIOR STAFF COUNSEL JENNE:  Well, the districts

11  have a choice.  They can adopt their own ATCM, in which

12  case they do it within that four month period.  Or they

13  can just go ahead and enforce the state ATCM.  So if they

14  chose that latter option, that wouldn't add any time to

15  the process.

16           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  It's the

17  processing time that gives you a --

18           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Supervisor DeSaulnier.

19           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  It's my turn.

20           I guess my concern is, and given what, Catherine,

21  you just said about the Health & Safety Code, is it --

22  maybe it's semantics or how we approach this.  But my

23  concern -- as long as the chemical fuel suppressants are

24  the equal -- I guess that's where you landed.  But then

25  how do you enforce that?  And given that there's a limited


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 1  number of facilities, it gives me an added level of

 2  comfort that you're able to.  So that if the Bay Area Air

 3  District and South Coast is right and there are

 4  improvements, that's fine.  We're sort of fuel neutral on

 5  this.  But having said that, wouldn't it better for us

 6  given what the Health & Safety Code says that we put the

 7  language of the Environmental Health Coalition as an

 8  amendment?  Then, as I understand what you said,

 9  individual facilities could still come into the air

10  district and say, "We believe we can achieve equivalence

11  in terms of emissions by doing chemical fuel

12  suppressants."

13           So we're getting to this -- I just --

14           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Before I

15  answer --

16           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  I'm pretty certain

17  we're getting to the same destination.  And there's a

18  certain amount -- there's certainty both from a health

19  standpoint, emissions standpoint.  And strikes me that

20  helps the operators as well from a financial standpoint,

21  although it might not be where they want to be right now.

22           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Before I answer

23  Supervisor DeSaulnier's question, let me just clarify for

24  the Board.  The staff proposal is below 20,000 amp-hours,

25  fume suppressants; 20 to 200,000, HEPA or fume


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 1  suppressants if you can shows equivalence; and above

 2  200,000, HEPA only, because we don't believe that it's

 3  going to be equivalent and, you know, putting the --

 4           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  -- the larger.

 5           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Yeah.  And so you

 6  just asked me what if we said HEPA only for 20 to 200,000,

 7  which is the enviro proposal.

 8           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  Well, HEPA filtration

 9  systems or equivalent add-on pollution control devices.

10           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Right, which --

11           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  But that would still

12  allow under the Health & Safety Code -- pardon me for

13  interrupting -- as I understood what you said, the

14  applicants to come in to the individual air districts and

15  say, "We've got something that's the equivalent or that."

16           Am I understanding what you said?

17           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  You are

18  understanding what I said, or -- yeah, we're understanding

19  each other.  But I need staff's help on the equivalency

20  demonstration in our rule versus the one contemplated in

21  the Health & Safety Code and why they would be different,

22  or are they the same?

23           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  I guess it's just a

24  question of approach for me.

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 1  Safety Code doesn't say anything about how the equivalency

 2  demonstration is supposed to be made.  It just says that

 3  this -- this says a source can come in with a district and

 4  they can apply and say, "We think we got some evidence

 5  that demonstrates that our alternative approach is

 6  equivalent."  And then it's really going to be up to the

 7  district and the source to have a dialogue and decide

 8  whether the evidence is sufficient or how they want to

 9  proceed at that point.

10           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  It just seems to me we

11  got the best of both worlds under that circumstance.

12           SENIOR STAFF COUNSEL JENNE:  And I might also add

13  that the --

14           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  And in the amendment.

15           SENIOR STAFF COUNSEL JENNE:  I might also add

16  that the Health & Safety Code provision is available,

17  whether or not the ATCM is amended.  The ATCM could go

18  forward exactly as proposed and sources would still have

19  this option under the Health & Safety Code to do that

20  alternative demonstration.

21           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Within the rule

22  we have articulated how you have to do the demonstration

23  of equivalence for 20,000 200,000.  And Carla will explain

24  that.

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 1           It strikes me that the higher standard in terms

 2  of your confidence is the HEPA standard.  So if you use

 3  that language, it strikes me it does raise the bar a

 4  little bit, but it provides more certainty that you're

 5  actually going to get the equivalent.

 6           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  I guess

 7  I'm here to address how you would go about the equivalency

 8  demonstration.  And the rule would require each facility,

 9  whether it's putting on an add-on control device or

10  whether it would be one of the facilities that would have

11  the flexibility, they would be required to do what is

12  called a performance test, which really means a source

13  test, to demonstration that they do meet that emission

14  rate.

15           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  Catherine, did the

16  sources know this prior to coming in here, that the Health

17  & Safety Code provided them this outlet?

18           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  I don't think

19  that they did.  And, in fact, the district staff brought

20  it to our -- your district staff brought it to our

21  attention.

22           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  Well, you know we do

23  excellent work in the Bay Area.  Of course we pay for it

24  too.

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 1           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  I'd forgotten

 2  this clause was in the Health & Safety Code as well.  But

 3  it did change the debate about how much you need to change

 4  versus how much can go on locally.

 5           STATIONARY SOURCE DIVISION CHIEF FLETCHER:  If I

 6  can add just a little bit on the equivalency

 7  determination.  And in my experience in sort of doing

 8  equivalency with U.S. EPA, we have taken a broad

 9  interpretation of what that means.  But in this case I

10  think what we would want to have is not only the

11  performance standard, but a series of monitoring and

12  record keeping requirements that would assure us that it

13  would achieve equivalent compliance on an ongoing basis.

14  Of course we have no approval authority.  But we would

15  want to work with the districts to define what those MRR

16  requirements are that ensure the continuous compliance.

17  And I think that is something that the districts would

18  want as well.

19           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  So last question to

20  Catherine perhaps or to staff.

21           If we did the amendment but we also gave

22  direction to work with the sources on the provision in the

23  Health & Safety Code, could you do those kind of

24  performance standards or clarify within the 30 days in the

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 1           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Oh.

 2           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  You want 30 days to

 3  think about it?

 4           (Laughter.)

 5           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Mr. Scheible and

 6  I were just discussing.  I mean this is so odd that we

 7  have set in our rule medium-sized facilities have the

 8  equivalency option and you don't have it for big, and then

 9  state law says you have it for everybody.  So the question

10  that I was just asking him is:  Would it actually be more

11  protective if for the big ones we articulated what the

12  equivalency standard had to be?  Which is what Mr.

13  Fletcher was just talking about.

14           But back to what we crafted.  It was our

15  understanding people would go to fume suppressants, that

16  they would -- in combination with polyballs, and with the

17  risk and the source test, they would reach for the best,

18  and we would essentially allow it.  And that we were

19  making a presumption about the economic burdens of this

20  rule, not requiring HEPA for all of them unless you had

21  very proximate receptors.

22           And to flip the presumption around and say it's

23  going to be HEPA unless you really convince us that you've

24  got it and you can get back out.  I mean I'm struggling

25  myself with where the burden of proof is in our rule and


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 1  if we're just talking a little bit in circles here.

 2           So I'm looking both to Mr. Scheible and Mr.

 3  Fletcher to help me with this on what you have to prove to

 4  get out of HEPA in our medium-sized category and then how

 5  we carry that into the large category.  Because we don't

 6  have it.  We just said -- we've presumptively said it has

 7  to be HEPA.

 8           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  And my only interest is

 9  we get equivalencies is what I'm concerned with.  And I

10  want to make sure the bar's set at the appropriate rate.

11           STATIONARY SOURCE DIVISION CHIEF FLETCHER:  I was

12  going to mention that I don't think that 30 days would

13  allow us to do that.  I think that what is going to be

14  required is an evaluation of the technology on essentially

15  a case-by-case basis.  Each of the facilities is going to

16  have their own configurations where some technologies may

17  have more applicability because of the types of plating

18  that they do and their ability to sustain the polyball,

19  foam blanket, mist suppressant, or what is collectively

20  called the in-tank controls.  I think that is a little bit

21  difficult.

22           When we set the greater than 200,000 at HEPA

23  only, I think what we were trying to do is to set a higher

24  standard for equivalency than what would be available in

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 1  that the districts would take a much more strident look at

 2  those facilities to ensure that they were taking into

 3  consideration the receptors nearby and this concept of

 4  continuous compliance.

 5           I think we can work with the districts, I think

 6  we can work with the industry to define, you know, the

 7  general parameters.  And I think that can be handled under

 8  a resolution consideration.

 9           But I think under the existing structure of the

10  regulation, we were trying to set a higher standard for

11  equivalency and for public health protection, because we

12  felt that the 20 to 200,000 had a little bit more

13  flexibility.

14           And I guess the code provides the equivalency for

15  the source.  And I'm concerned that there's an equally

16  firm confidence in the communities around it that they've

17  gotten equivalency.

18           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  I need to correct

19  what -- I just chatted with staff.  I need to correct an

20  impression I left a moment ago that we thought in the

21  medium-sized facilities that it wouldn't end up being out

22  of control.  Staff actually thinks that it will.  And so

23  even with the equivalency demonstration we have so far,

24  unless, you know, the technologies really come through,

25  the alternative technologies, we're going to see add-on


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 1  controls in the very large and in the mediums.

 2           What the enviro proposal -- how it's different

 3  from that, it says everybody within a thousand feet uses

 4  HEPA.  So the less than 20,000 amp-hours go to HEPA, which

 5  means they're gone.

 6           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  I'm sorry, Catherine.

 7  But under the Health & Safety Code, there's still a

 8  provision for them to come in and prove equivalence.

 9           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Yes.  But these

10  are very, very small businesses.  And so economically they

11  couldn't afford the HEPA economically, they probably

12  couldn't afford the lawyers, the consultants, the

13  whatever, unless their trade association did it for them,

14  to come in and say they had the alternative.

15           So I think what it means to drive HEPA all the

16  way down to under 20,000 is under 20,000's gone, those

17  living -- you know, those operating within a thousand feet

18  of a house.  So I mean it's still before you, is that the

19  right thing to do?

20           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Dr. Gong.

21           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Quick conceptual question,

22  pursuant to what Ms. Witherspoon said minutes ago.

23           Am I understanding you correctly, is that -- in

24  my mind this is sort of like an exception to the rule

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 1  these appeals then from sources, and as long as they show

 2  equivalency but not less than equivalent methods that it's

 3  up to the local air district to say "yea" or "nay" and

 4  then they also need to present it to this Board?  Or how

 5  does that work?

 6           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  They need to

 7  notify us.

 8           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  I see.  So they make the

 9  final decision in that regard.

10           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  That's the way

11  law's structured, yes.

12           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  And,

13  remember, the law in general says districts are primarily

14  responsible for stationary sources.  With toxics it makes

15  a difference and says the State Board shall set statewide

16  standards.  So --

17           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  I see. But they carry it out?

18           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  And now it

19  goes back and says, but even where the state has set

20  statewide standards, you still have discretion so long as

21  you are convinced that the use of the discretion is as

22  protective.

23           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Is this --

24           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  And you can be

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 1           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Well, usually I think they

 2  could be more stringent, not less stringent.  So then the

 3  question I have is:  Is this going to weaken whatever

 4  decision we make here at this level if a source shows that

 5  this method, you know, is just a bit under or a bit over?

 6           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  Well, it

 7  doesn't weaken it under the law.  But the issue is who

 8  gets to decide.

 9           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Yeah.

10           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  And I think

11  the way the law is structured is the district gets to

12  call.  And we can overturn that, but it's a very difficult

13  process.  So the district in most cases will be the

14  deciding agency over:  Is this more effective -- as

15  effective or more effective?  And therefore I'm going to

16  allow it in my district for my residents.

17           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  So the local districts

18  determine equivalency --

19           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  Right.

20           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  -- and can get by with that,

21  more or less?

22           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  Right.  And

23  maybe in this case we should go work with the -- there's

24  three districts that are primarily affected going to say,

25  how would one set this up and work it so that it doesn't


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 1  have to be done on the each each time?  And we could agree

 2  up front to that.

 3           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Ms. Berg.

 4           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  I'm a little uncomfortable

 5  with the span of our conversation today and where it's

 6  kind of gone.  And so I'm not sure that my recommendation

 7  wouldn't be to return this back to staff and get with

 8  industry and get with the districts and get it worked out.

 9  I'm concerned in my vote as to what really I'm voting for.

10  And my concerns are on both sides.  I'm really concerned

11  on the near source, the extreme near source.  And I'm not

12  sure that because of the nature of this toxin that maybe

13  extreme near sources shouldn't be there any more.  And I'm

14  not opposed to looking at defining extreme near source,

15  which in my view would not be 300 meters.  But next

16  door -- plating companies probably shouldn't be next door

17  to residences anymore.  And how they got there and so

18  forth, that's unfortunate.  But maybe that is something we

19  should look at.

20           And then you have the 300 meter issue.  And then

21  we have over 300 meters, which is -- and if we put the

22  extreme HEPA filters on those and don't allow them to come

23  back and decide what is their best control performance,

24  not that we're lessening the rule.

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 1  we haven't fleshed out some things that need to be looked

 2  at.

 3           Then I also -- my last things are the strong

 4  consequences.  I'm very in favor for that.  And we didn't

 5  hear too much about inspection.  And there was an issue

 6  brought up of record keeping.  Don't they have to record

 7  keep anyway?  And they should.  So if they have, then if

 8  they were doing the fume suppressants or the blanket or

 9  any combination of these things, we should have the

10  records anyway.

11           And so I think I'm more confused than when I

12  started.  I apologize.

13           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Mayor Loveridge.

14           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  Let me -- I was going to

15  go in a different direction.  But I think it's a question

16  of would we be better served by a month of a chance for

17  the districts and the industry to come back?

18           Catherine, your reaction to that.

19           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  We can always

20  take time.  I don't think the --

21           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  Yeah, I wasn't looking

22  for extending -- for time, but whether or not further

23  conversation with the districts so it's clear what the

24  role of the districts are, and so the industry understands

25  the choices before it, would they be better served by a


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 1  delay -- or a continuance for one month?

 2           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  I don't believe

 3  so, no, but with the one exception of should we have an

 4  extreme near-source requirement.  Because staff came in

 5  today with strengthening proposals, to go from 300 to a

 6  thousand feet, to have fume suppressants early rather than

 7  later for when we had HEPA later.  And I consider the

 8  question that Ms. Berg just raised another strengthening

 9  at the very low end for extreme near sources.  Then we'd

10  have to pick that boundary.

11           If it was clear enough that that was the will of

12  the Board, that could be a 15-day change.  It wouldn't

13  take another month.

14           I do think on the issue of air district/ARB

15  relations, that's longer than a month.  And it always is.

16  And also it's source specific, device specific.  What's

17  the protocol going to be for proving out one method versus

18  another?  And we'd want to spend quality time with the

19  industry on what those burdens were.  They've learned

20  today -- and they're very well represented here -- that

21  this clause exists.  And I'm sure the wheels in their

22  brains are churning on how we might apply this going

23  forward and what the burdens of proof would be.

24           So a month won't change that.  If there's a split

25  on the Board on where HEPA presumption should or shouldn't


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 1  apply, then, you know, maybe you need more time to come to

 2  a consensus.

 3           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  Let me follow up then.

 4  Just a couple.  One, the stuff's bad.  Bad stuff, needs to

 5  go away.  I'm really kind of intrigued by trying to

 6  accelerate and connecting with the Defense Department.

 7  And I think we ought to have some attention to that role.

 8           And I think that not only it's receptors.  What

 9  bothers me is the workers, I mean when you talk about

10  jobs.  But somebody it's not simply runs into this

11  occasionally, but has to live with it day in and day out.

12  It seems to me it's a difficult thing to ask somebody to

13  do.

14           But I would like to ask Jill Whynot if she would

15  just respond from the point of view of the South Coast

16  district of whether or not the role the district has, as

17  going to frame this as clear, whether it would be -- and I

18  guess I'm particularly puzzled by whether or not what you

19  and Ed presented could in fact happen under the kind of

20  framework that's being discussed today.

21           MS. WHYNOT:  Well, thank you very much.  And I'm

22  glad you asked me up here, because I've been itching in my

23  seat to make a few comments.

24           I think what the staff at the AQMD is proposing,

25  to set the emission limit, actually achieves the


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 1  alternative compliance.  And it's much better to set it in

 2  the rule than to have dozens of facilities come in and

 3  deal with the district staff, take a lot of their time and

 4  resources, our time and resources, and argue each point.

 5  Whereas, if you set in the rule it's .0015 milligrams per

 6  amp-hour with HEPA, fume suppressants, scrubbers, whatever

 7  combination, you do it with a source test, then you're

 8  there.  And you don't have to deal with individual

 9  facilities petitioning.  And it's a much better clear

10  signal of where the target is and how you're going to get

11  there.

12           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  ARB staff would

13  oppose doing it that way, because we believe the signal

14  should be it's HEPA unless you can prove equivalence.  And

15  to set a standard and not express our technical view that

16  HEPA's the best is the wrong signal.

17           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  Okay.

18           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  I'm confused.

19           (Laughter.)

20           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  If we could take slide 26

21  from staff's presentation.

22           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  And now the attorney is

23  going to come in.

24           (Laughter.)

25           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  I'm just trying to put


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 1  everything into various boxes here.  And overall I like

 2  Supervisor DeSaulnier's approach, because under that

 3  approach we're still voicing a preference for HEPA, and

 4  then we just follow existing law -- or we allow the

 5  facilities to follow existing law as far as going back to

 6  the local district.

 7           But looking at this chart, I'm just wanting to

 8  make sure that I understand what your intention was,

 9  Supervisor DeSaulnier.  Were you considering HEPA at the

10  under 20,000 or were you looking at some variation on the

11  between 20 and 200?

12           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  No.  Dede, I was just

13  looking at the Environmental Health Coalition's actual

14  language, which says, "HEPA filtration" -- this would be

15  in the amendment -- "HEPA filtration systems or equivalent

16  add-on pollution control devices are the best control

17  technology and should be required for all chrome platers

18  in the State of California that are located within a

19  thousand feet of the sensitive receptor, with the

20  additional knowledge that individual companies could come

21  in and ask under the Health & Safety Code to demonstrate

22  equivalency."

23           And the one thing I would add since I've got the

24  microphone:  Catherine, couldn't we give direction to the

25  three air districts to work collaboratively so each


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 1  individual doesn't have to come in?  Maybe there's a

 2  hybrid of what South Coast is suggesting.  So rather than

 3  have them all come in, the three districts particularly,

 4  South Coast brings them in and basically said, "This is

 5  what we think equivalency is."

 6           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  We absolutely

 7  could and we absolutely should.  And the way that I would

 8  interpret the enviro coalition proposal on this table,

 9  sort of connecting back to Ms. D'Adamo's question, is that

10  under 20,000 would read -- did you say a thousand meters

11  or is it a thousand feet? -- thousand feet, so 300 meters.

12  And then it would have that same .0015 amp-hour, which is

13  equivalent to HEPA, and it would not have the asterisk

14  that said you don't have the equivalency option.

15           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  Right.

16           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  How many facilities are we

17  talking about?  Do you have -- right now it's 48 total.

18  How many do we peel off?

19           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Out of

20  the 48 how many --

21           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  Within 300 meters.

22           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  Actually

23  we don't have data that go out that far.

24           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  Because basically, Ms.

25  Witherspoon, you had indicated earlier that these


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 1  facilities are so small we're basically recognizing that

 2  they wouldn't have an option with HEPA and that we would

 3  be making a determination as a board that there are

 4  overriding public health concerns because of the sensitive

 5  receptors.

 6           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  But we're

 7  saying they're small and we're also saying they're

 8  emissions because their work is very low, their emissions

 9  are low.  Therefore, we believe that we can get very good

10  risk reduction and low levels of -- and high level of

11  health protection without going to HEPA.  And concurrently

12  I think it's also true to say, I think the vast majority

13  of these will be within a thousand feet of a resident.

14  And most of them will not have the financial resources to

15  afford a HEPA filter.

16           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Or to come in --

17           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  The

18  consequences of adopting that approach for this class will

19  be economically quite significant.

20           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  And I guess my point

21  is, if we can deal with the air districts -- and,

22  Catherine, you indicated we could, that we could work with

23  them collectively so they don't have to go out -- no

24  offense to attorneys -- and have all that up front cost,

25  that we could basically ask -- and I'm sure -- I think we


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 1  have seven facilities in the Bay Area.  Obviously South

 2  Coast has more.  But I assume that we would want to do

 3  that anyway.

 4           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Yeah, and the

 5  trade association will bear some of the burden.  It's

 6  just -- what would the timetable be too?  You'd make the

 7  effective date two years?

 8           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  Well, I would say we need

 9  to give these people a lot of time under that category.

10           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  That's fine with me.

11           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  These are smaller

12  businesses.

13           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Five because the

14  risk is so low.

15           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  My problem is you're

16  saying we're going to get equivalency.  But then in the

17  same breath we seem to be saying but we don't think they

18  can prove it.  And I --

19           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  Okay.  For

20  these small guys we were proposing a standard of .01.  And

21  we know that fume suppressants meet that.  So if we went

22  with the other proposal, I think we would be proposing a

23  more stringent standard for these that would likely force

24  HEPA filters.

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 1  me in the Barrio Logan study we did learn some things

 2  about the fumes -- am I wrong in remembering that one was

 3  closed but one is still existing, but that when we did the

 4  testing, which was substantial, that that one could

 5  continue by doing certain things to suppress the

 6  emissions.

 7           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  The one that

 8  closed had a foam blanket.  It didn't have a fume

 9  suppressant.  So we think had they had a fume suppressant,

10  it might not have been so bad.  But it was also a bad

11  operator.  And the one that's still open is HEPA.

12           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Oh, is HEPA, is that

13  right?

14           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Yes.

15           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Okay.  Thank you very

16  much.

17           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  What size are they in

18  terms of --

19           TECHNICAL EVALUATION MANAGER TAKEMOTO:  They

20  would fall within the large category.  I believe they have

21  several million amp-hours a year.

22           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  I was thinking they were

23  smaller.

24           SENIOR STAFF COUNSEL JENNE:  Ms. D'Adamo, I

25  wanted to clarify one thing.  When you see the two years


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 1  and five years dates, when it says effective date, that

 2  means from the date the regulation is operative, it's been

 3  through OAL.  So really what that means most likely is

 4  about two years and nine or ten months.  Because it

 5  typically would be about nine months from now when the

 6  Regulation would go based on our previous experience with

 7  timing.

 8           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  One of the things that's

 9  important to me is when we see data like from California

10  Electroplating that has gone through the trouble of

11  setting up testing, having it observed, third party, and

12  comes with data, that's a significant commitment.  And

13  here is a company that is below what we're requiring.  And

14  I just don't feel that it is necessary to tell an operator

15  like that, no, we don't trust -- I mean I think the data

16  has to -- and you have to review the data and we want to

17  make sure.  But to tell that individual, "No, you've got

18  to put HEPA filters because we sleep better at night," I

19  just -- I'm uncomfortable with that.

20           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Well, if you

21  recall, it's not just because we sleep better at night.

22  It's because there will still be some inherent

23  differences.  And you may remember another slide that said

24  even after HEPA filters, we had 17 of the very largest

25  facilities, they were in excess of 10 million per cancer


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 1  risk, and we were going to require site-specific analyses

 2  to see what else could be done and if in fact all of them

 3  have proximate receptors or not.

 4           So HEPA still, you know, is going to give us that

 5  added bit of control, we think.  And we're creating the

 6  opportunity for all the way down to 20,000 amp-hours to

 7  bring in these alternative cases.  But going for HEPA in

 8  the greater than -- are you saying above 200,000 we should

 9  also consider it and say it could be as good?

10           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  You know, right now, my --

11  and I really don't know how to go on this -- but my

12  thinking is we have a problem with extreme near sources.

13  Those are people that are living next to or down the

14  street, like a block, next to plating companies.  That

15  sounds like a really poor idea to me now, given what we

16  know.

17           Then after that, so more than size it seems to me

18  that exposure to this toxic chemical next door is a very

19  bad public policy for human health.  After that, it's a

20  matter of the industry meeting performance standards.  And

21  so I think what I'm looking at is identifying an extreme

22  near-source range, which I don't think I agree is 300

23  meters, but I would certainly lean to the staff to say

24  what is an extreme near source.  When I look at this

25  picture, I don't -- you know, I'm not sure it gives me


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 1  much comfort that the people on the other side use a HEPA

 2  filter and they do those millions of amp-hours.

 3           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Yeah, what I'm

 4  hearing is a great deal of agreement between you,

 5  Supervisor DeSaulnier and Ms. D'Adamo about within the

 6  impact zone it should be HEPA.  That's what I think I'm

 7  hearing.  And then I would like to ask, Supervisor

 8  DeSaulnier and DeDe D'Adamo, do you feel like Ms. Berg

 9  does, is outside of a thousand feet if there should be

10  more flexibility or not?  Because we have given you rule

11  requirements driven by amp-hours, and they could be

12  reconstructed to be driven by proximity.

13           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  Yeah, that's fine with

14  me.

15           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  So the difference

16  is that proximity of course can change as land use

17  continues to change in California.  And that will be an

18  issue for us.

19           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  And that's in the

20  amendment -- that's in language of the amendment.

21           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Yeah.  Now, that

22  that's the proposal, I would agree with the 30-day -- to

23  bring you back, one versus the other, who's affected, how

24  the costs fall out, if you go with proximity as your

25  principal driving factor on HEPA or not versus hours.  And


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 1  we could bring this back to you at the November -- what is

 2  it? -- at the October hearing and talk about that.

 3           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  If I could just add

 4  that --

 5           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Oh, October's an

 6  early Board meeting, so it's only three weeks away.

 7  November might be better.

 8           And November's a two-day hearing.  Can you all be

 9  there for two days?  It's in San Francisco.

10           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Yes.

11           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  Those of us who are

12  outside of San Francisco can make it.

13           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  Actually I'll be in

14  Sacramento.  But I'll be there for the second day, yes.

15           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  Well, what I was going to

16  add -- I'm comfortable with where you're headed, but just

17  wanted to maybe throw out another idea for the small

18  operators.  Some distance that is extremely close, as Ms.

19  Berg indicates.  Maybe a hundred meters or less.  And the

20  chemical suppressant being maybe Phase 1 at six months.

21  And then Phase 2, maybe give the larger operators an

22  opportunity to find some other options and kick in Phase 2

23  for basically a HEPA standard or equivalency at five years

24  or even seven years, putting them slightly behind, because

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 1           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Well, give us

 2  time to chew on this.  How about it?

 3           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Well, it sounds like we're

 4  headed to a delay, which will give a chance to work out

 5  some of these things.  It seems like there are a lot of

 6  technical issues that need to be clarified on how to deal

 7  with this.  But I think you're hearing the direction from

 8  the Board, that we want it to be protective, we want it to

 9  be particularly protective for people who are close by.

10  But we also want some clarification on these equivalencies

11  and how that would really work.

12           Dr. Gong.

13           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  Just a comment.

14           Again, to remind you, the land-use handbook says

15  1,000 feet from sensitive receptor.  So I'd like to make

16  sure that we're consistent.  Or that there's an exception,

17  we should try to explain that as best we can.

18           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  I think the staff

19  proposal is that for a new facility coming in within a

20  thousand feet you have to use HEPA -- for anybody coming

21  in.

22           BOARD MEMBER GONG:  There's some discussion about

23  shortening the distance.  And I didn't capture all of that

24  discussion.  But, again, I just wanted to remind you about

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 1           DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER SCHEIBLE:  And if

 2  there's a closer distance, we'll explain with how the risk

 3  for those facilities is small even though distance is

 4  less.  That's a generic, kind of all facilities should --

 5  want this type of buffer.  But in reality for a very small

 6  source, a somewhat smaller buffer provides for pretty good

 7  risk protection.

 8           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  Mr. Chairman, I'd be

 9  happy to make a motion, since it seems like we're there.

10           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Yes.

11           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  I'd move that we

12  continue this till the November hearing -- the second day

13  of the November hearing.  And for me, the option I would

14  like to look at is the staff recommendation.  I think you

15  all have done a really good job.  I don't think any of us

16  are suggesting with a complicated issue.  But to add the

17  language that the Environmental Health Coalition -- that's

18  what I would like to look at and other iterations.  But

19  with some language for our staff to work with the three

20  affected air districts to help the operators be able to

21  come in collectively to demonstrate equivalency.

22           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  I second.

23           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Are we ready to vote on the

24  motion?

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 1           (Ayes.)

 2           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Opposed?

 3           Okay.  We'll revisit this in November.

 4           Thank you all very much who came today to

 5  participate in this hearing.

 6           We will now take a break for lunch.  We have a

 7  long day ahead of us.  So a half hour, is that --

 8           ACTING GENERAL COUNSEL JENNINGS:  Mr. Sawyer, I

 9  made a mistake.  Artavia had been suggesting to me to

10  prompt you to close the record before the vote on the

11  hearing.  And I sort of thought it was good to have this

12  free-flowing discussion and you'd be able to ask the South

13  Coast.  But if it's your intent that the record be closed

14  now until a 15-day comment period opens, my recommendation

15  is to move and do that now.

16           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  Wouldn't it be best to

17  leave it open?  So my motion would be that we would

18  actually leave the comment period open and continue it

19  till November.

20           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  I don't see that there will

21  be any problem with having additional information during

22  this period of time.  So let's just leave it open, which

23  means we don't have to do anything.

24           Okay.  We will resume at 2 o'clock, promptly.

25           (Thereupon a lunch break was taken.)


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 1                       AFTERNOON SESSION

 2           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  The Air Resources Board is

 3  now back in session.

 4           The next agenda item is 6-8-4, proposed

 5  amendments to Air Resources Board's on-board diagnostic

 6  system requirements, also known as OBD II.

 7           The OBD program is important because it insures

 8  that vehicles meet our emission standards in-use and

 9  remain clean for their useful lives.

10           When emission problems are detected, drivers are

11  alerted by a warning light.  When they go to a repair

12  station or their vehicle dealer, technicians can access

13  diagnostic information in the OBD II system to identify

14  the nature of the problem.  That helps it to be fixed

15  correctly.

16           OBD II systems have become part of California's

17  Smog Check program for 1996 and newer gasoline-powered

18  vehicles.  We need to add diesel vehicles to that program

19  as soon as we reasonably can, working with the Bureau of

20  Automotive Repair.

21           Ms. Witherspoon.

22           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Thank you, Dr.

23  Sawyer.

24           Since the OBD II regulations were last amended in

25  2002, the staff has identified several changes that need


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 1  to be made.  Most of the modifications we are proposing

 2  today are related to OBD requirements for light-duty

 3  diesel vehicles.  However, we are also making a few

 4  adjustments to the requirements for gasoline vehicles and

 5  aligning medium-duty diesel requirements with the

 6  heavy-duty OBD regulations you adopted last year.

 7           Finally, staff is making conforming changes to

 8  the enforcement provisions and updating the list of

 9  emission controls subject to ARB's warranty provision.

10           Before I turn to staff's presentation I would

11  like to take this opportunity to recognize Mike McCarthy,

12  Manager of the Advanced Engineering Section in the Mobile

13  Source Control Division, seated behind me today -- raise

14  your hand -- who just received the Society of Automotive

15  Engineering's 2006 Henry Souther award in recognition of

16  his outstanding contributions to the field.  This award

17  acknowledges Mike's leadership in accomplishing

18  standardization necessary to make the OBD II systems in

19  today's vehicles accessible through a single diagnostic

20  connector.  This allows the Smog Check program to

21  efficiently interrogate the OBD II systems for faulty

22  components and permits technicians to rapidly download

23  diagnostic information that assists motorists in obtaining

24  repairs for their vehicles quickly and correctly the first

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 1           The automotive companies regulated by ARB

 2  actively supported Mike's receipt of the award in

 3  recognition of his exceptional and highly respected

 4  efforts.  The award was presented to Mike two weeks ago

 5  during the SAE's OBD symposium in Toulouse, France, where

 6  Mike was an invited presenter.

 7           I'll now turn the presentation over to Mr. Tom

 8  Montes of the Mobile Source Control Division.

 9           (Applause.)

10           (Thereupon an overhead presentation was

11           Presented as follows.)

12           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  Thank you, Ms.

13  Witherspoon.

14           Good morning, Chairman Sawyer, members of the

15  Board.  I'm here today to present a proposal to amend the

16  OBD II regulation and the emissions warranty regulations.

17                            --o0o--

18           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  I will start

19  today's presentation by providing some background on the

20  OBD II program before giving you a brief overview of the

21  proposed changes applicable to gasoline and diesel

22  vehicles and a few other related items.

23                            --o0o--

24           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  OBD II was

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 1  light- and medium-duty vehicles are equipped with this

 2  system.

 3           The OBD system is comprised of software in the

 4  vehicle's on-board computer, and it uses sensors that

 5  measure parameters such as temperature, pressure, air

 6  flow, and air/fuel ratio.  As sensors and components

 7  deteriorate, emissions may increase.  Vehicle emissions

 8  can be correlated to sensor or component deterioration

 9  through emission testing of vehicles with deteriorated

10  components installed.

11           Within OBD some emission components are monitored

12  to a threshold.  That is, a malfunction has to be detected

13  when emissions exceed a specific level, such as 1.5 times

14  the tailpipe standard.  For less critical emission

15  components, the components are monitored only for a proper

16  function -- that is, does the component work or not?

17           When a component has been determined to be

18  malfunctioning, a warning light is illuminated.

19  Additionally, information about the malfunction can be

20  downloaded from the vehicle using a standardized hand-held

21  scan tool.

22           The Board requires staff to report on the status

23  of proposed changes in the OBD program on a regular basis.

24  The last update of these requirements took place in 2002.

25                            --o0o--


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 1           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  Implementation

 2  and improvements are needed for the OBD regulation to keep

 3  up with new vehicle technologies, to incorporate

 4  technician input, and to close the loop from lessons

 5  learned during the time of certification.

 6           These changes ensure that the OBD regulation is

 7  relevant to current vehicle technology and that the OBD

 8  systems are robustly detecting malfunctions in use.

 9                            --o0o--

10           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  Today there are

11  over 120 million cars on U.S. roads with OBD systems.

12  This makes up more than 50 percent of the in-use vehicle

13  fleet.  Over 6 trillion on-road miles have been

14  accumulated by vehicles with OBD systems.  And there are

15  25 states in the U.S. currently using OBD as part of their

16  vehicle inspection and maintenance programs.  There are

17  nearly 13,000 smog check OBD inspections per day in

18  California alone.

19                            --o0o--

20           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  I'll now provide

21  a brief overview of the gasoline OBD requirements and some

22  of the amendments being proposed.

23                            --o0o--

24           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  OBD requirements

25  for gasoline vehicles have been in place since the 1996


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 1  model year.  Staff and industry both have learned much

 2  over the last ten years.  And staff believes that the

 3  gasoline OBD program is performing well.

 4           Today staff is proposing few changes for light-

 5  and medium-duty gasoline vehicles.  The changes are mostly

 6  the result of in-use testing in which some malfunctions

 7  have been observed to go undetected under unique

 8  circumstances.

 9                            --o0o--

10           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  The first area

11  where the need for improvements has been identified is the

12  diagnostic requirements for rear oxygen sensors.  The rear

13  sensor is primarily used for monitoring the performance of

14  the catalyst.  In-use testing has discovered some

15  deteriorated catalysts not being detected as well as

16  expected.  Analysis has found that the rear oxygen sensor

17  can be the cause.  As these sensors deteriorate, they may

18  allow a catalyst malfunction to go undetected.

19           And although the current regulation does contain

20  language to address this type of deterioration in the rear

21  oxygen sensor, staff is now proposing more clearly defined

22  monitoring strategies that will applicable beginning in

23  the 2009 model year to ensure deteriorated catalysts are

24  robustly detected.

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 1           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  A second issue

 2  that has been discovered through in-use testing is

 3  cylinder imbalance.  When the air/fuel ratio across the

 4  cylinder deviates significantly, catalyst efficiency

 5  decreases, resulting in increased tailpipe emissions.  In

 6  most cases current OBD II systems do not detect such a

 7  failure.

 8           Therefore, staff is proposing that cylinder

 9  air/fuel ratio imbalance be monitored.  Possible

10  monitoring strategies involve a closer examination of

11  detailed data from both the front and rear oxygen sensors

12  in the exhaust to determine if significant air/fuel

13  deviations exist.

14                            --o0o--

15           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  A third monitor

16  with proposed changes is for cold-start strategies.  Since

17  most emissions occur during the first minute of a drive

18  cycle, when the engine and catalyst are cold,

19  manufacturers have developed cold start emission reduction

20  strategies.

21           These cold-start strategies are used to

22  accelerate catalyst warm-up and often include briefly

23  retarding the ignition timing and increasing engine idle

24  speed.

25           The current regulation requires detection of a


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 1  malfunction when emissions exceed 1.5 times the emission

 2  standard.

 3                            --o0o--

 4           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  As manufacturers

 5  have introduced monitors in the last few years, staff has

 6  noticed significant differences in how they are

 7  calibrated.  In some cases manufacturers have implemented

 8  system monitors that look at the overall impact of the

 9  cold-start strategy.  While this can be very good at

10  detecting substantial emission problems, this approach can

11  result in a diagnostic that requires several components to

12  fail before an overall system fault is detected, even

13  though each individual component failure also causes

14  increased emissions.

15           To address this, staff is proposing to further

16  require monitoring of each individual cold start element

17  and detection of a malfunction when any one of them

18  completely fails.

19           As industry has argued, this will result in

20  faults being detected with a smaller emission impact.

21  However, this change is consistent with existing OBD

22  requirements in which individual components that increase

23  emissions must at a minimum be diagnosed for proper

24  function.  Any emission-related component that completely

25  fails to function is clearly broken and should be


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 1  repaired.

 2           To address manufacturers' concerns that

 3  monitoring to the stringency proposed by staff may not be

 4  feasible across their product line, staff has added

 5  language expressly limiting monitoring to the extent

 6  technically feasible.

 7                            --o0o--

 8           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  Now I will cover

 9  the proposed OBD requirements for diesel vehicles.

10                            --o0o--

11           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  Staff is

12  proposing significant changes and additions for diesel

13  monitoring.  The approach staff has taken is twofold.  For

14  medium-duty vehicles diesels have always had a significant

15  presence in California, primarily in full-size pickup

16  trucks.  And these vehicles typically use engines that are

17  also used in heavy-duty applications and, accordingly,

18  staff is proposing to align the OBD II requirements with

19  the recently adopted heavy-duty OBD requirements.

20           For passenger cars and light-duty trucks,

21  gasoline is the dominant technology in the fleet.  And the

22  past and future OBD requirements have been focused as

23  such.

24           However, improvements in diesel emission controls

25  are rapidly emerging, making their ability to compete with


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 1  gasoline a reality.  Accordingly, staff is proposing to

 2  provide a phase-in with interim flexibility for light-duty

 3  diesels else to allow the technology to evolve and the OBD

 4  technology to catch up with the gasoline vehicles by the

 5  2013 model year.

 6                            --o0o--

 7           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  Consistent with

 8  gasoline, diesel OBD will require manufacturers to monitor

 9  the most important emission control systems to an emission

10  threshold.  Specifically, when deterioration of a

11  component causes emissions to exceed a defined level

12  relative to the emission standard, a malfunction must be

13  detected.  As mentioned on the previous slide, the

14  thresholds for medium-duty vehicles are aligned with those

15  previously adopted for heavy-duty vehicles.

16           The thresholds are an interim level in 2010 and

17  drop down to the final thresholds in 2013.  However,

18  unlike heavy duty, which begins OBD in 2010, medium duty

19  has had OBD since 1997.  And the proposal includes revised

20  thresholds for the 2007 through 2009 model year that

21  reflect the levels of currently available technology.

22                            --o0o--

23           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  For light-duty

24  vehicles, the ultimate goal is to achieve parity with

25  gasoline OBD capability by monitoring the components to an


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 1  equivalent level of stringency.  However, diesel

 2  monitoring technology needs some time to catch up.

 3  Staff's proposal allows diesels to enter the market as

 4  early as 2007 to test consumer response and achieve

 5  potential greenhouse gas benefits.  Over time the

 6  thresholds move closer to gasoline thresholds, with drops

 7  in 2010 and 2013.

 8                            --o0o--

 9           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  To help

10  illustrate, this table summarizes the equivalent gasoline

11  thresholds in the blue numbers in the first column, while

12  the red numbers in right-hand columns reflect the first

13  level of interim thresholds applicable to diesel in 2007.

14           In general, the emission levels where a

15  malfunction must be detected on a diesel range from 2.5 to

16  5 times the emission standard, while gasoline is typically

17  1.75 or 1.5 times the standard.

18                            --o0o--

19           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  The yellow

20  numbers in the right-hand columns show the second

21  intermediate levels that must be met in the 2010 model

22  year.  These thresholds reflect increased stringency and

23  range from 2 to 4 times the standard.

24                            --o0o--

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 1  model year these interim levels would be phased-out and

 2  diesels would need to meet essentially the same levels as

 3  gasoline vehicles.

 4                            --o0o--

 5           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  Obviously, there

 6  is some risk involved in allowing the introduction of

 7  diesels that have less rigorous monitoring than their

 8  gasoline counterparts.  During this interim period,

 9  components will have to deteriorate further before a

10  malfunction will be detected.  As one measure to help

11  minimize that risk, staff is proposing to require

12  additional testing for light-duty diesel vehicles.

13  Specifically, manufacturers will have to run additional

14  in-use testing at both low and high mileage points to

15  ensure in-use vehicles are meeting the tailpipe emission

16  standards.

17           In addition to being subject to recall if the

18  vehicles are found to be non-compliant, the proposed

19  language requires manufacturers to fund programs to offset

20  any excess emissions as a result of the non-compliance.

21  Staff has also committed to pursuing incorporation of

22  diesels into the Smog Check program and the proposed Board

23  resolution includes language to memorialize staff's

24  commitment.  Inclusion in Smog Check will ensure that

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 1                            --o0o--

 2           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  With today's

 3  proposal, there are a few items that are of particular

 4  concern to industry regarding diesels.

 5           The first of these issues is the emission levels

 6  of the thresholds themselves.  Industry has expressed

 7  concern that the levels are too stringent given the

 8  timeframe and technologies that exist, and that the

 9  workload is too great to accomplish the task.

10           However, staff has developed the thresholds after

11  meeting with manufacturers and suppliers, and believes

12  that the proposed levels should be achievable by

13  manufacturers in the proposed timeframe.  The thresholds

14  continue to be technology forcing in many cases,

15  especially for the final thresholds in future years.  But

16  staff has provided the necessary lead time and interim

17  relief to allow industry to successfully get there.

18                            --o0o--

19           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  The next issue

20  involves adjustment factors.  And I would like to provide

21  some background and context before discussing the issue

22  regarding the factors.

23           A unique requirement of some diesel emission

24  controls is that they must periodically be controlled

25  differently to essentially purge stored emissions.  A good


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 1  example is a PM filter that traps and accumulates

 2  particulate matter, or soot.  Periodically, such as once

 3  every 300 to 500 miles, the PM filter must be regenerated

 4  to burn off or purge this accumulated PM so it can resume

 5  proper filtering.

 6           When this regeneration occurs, emission levels

 7  can be very high, well above the emission standards.

 8  These regeneration events are triggered by the on-board

 9  computer and are generally completely transparent to the

10  vehicle operator.

11           To account for these occasional excursions of

12  high emissions, the certification procedures require

13  manufacturers to test and measure how often such events

14  occur and how high the emissions are during the event and

15  essentially average those emissions in with their baseline

16  emission measurements.

17           Manufacturers develop so-called adjustment

18  factors that include the appropriate fraction of emissions

19  from these regeneration events and are applied to their

20  emission results before comparing them to the tailpipe

21  standards.  Adjusted emissions represent the true average

22  in-use emission levels.

23                            --o0o--

24           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  As a simple

25  example to help illustrate, this graph shows the emission


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 1  levels that may occur from a diesel vehicle.  For the most

 2  part, the vehicle emits below the emission standards shown

 3  as 1.0 on this graph.  However, when a regeneration event

 4  occurs, emissions substantially increase and may exceed

 5  the emission standard by factors as large as 10 or more.

 6  Adjustment factors are used to measure this spike and

 7  spread it out over the entire time, giving a true average

 8  emission level from the vehicle.

 9                            --o0o--

10           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  With that

11  background on regeneration emissions and their role in

12  adjustment factors, I'd like to discuss the issue

13  regarding adjustment factors.

14           As is required for tailpipe certification,

15  staff's proposal requires manufacturers to develop and use

16  adjustment factors when calibrating OBD threshold

17  monitors.  However, this does require additional work and

18  testing by the manufacturer to comprehend the impact that

19  malfunctioning components will have on regeneration events

20  and emissions.  In some cases it may have no impact.  In

21  others it could change how often the events occur or the

22  magnitude of the emission spike when they do occur.

23           Industry has argued that the impact of adjustment

24  factors was not considered in developing already stringent

25  technology-forcing thresholds, and requiring their use


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 1  only reduces their chance for success.  Further, the

 2  workload to develop baseline adjustment factors is

 3  substantial and to do it iteratively for all monitors is a

 4  huge task.  Given this, industry has argued that a delay

 5  until at least 2010 has to happen before use of adjustment

 6  factors is required.

 7           Staff has modified the original proposal to

 8  provides additional relief prior to 2010.  Specifically,

 9  manufacturers would be allowed to apply the baseline

10  adjustment factors instead of developing specific ones for

11  each OBD monitor.  This would eliminate the need for any

12  additional workload to calculate the new adjustment

13  factors.

14           For one specific monitor, namely, the oxidation

15  catalyst, manufacturers would be required to develop a

16  specific adjustment factor starting in 2008.  For all

17  other monitors, manufacturers would still have until 2010

18  before they would have to develop unique adjustment

19  factors.

20           Further, regarding the workload, to develop

21  unique factors for each monitor, staff expects

22  manufacturers will make qualitative comparisons to the

23  baseline adjustment factors to determine what, if any,

24  change is merited.  In some cases such an evaluation would

25  require nothing more than engineering calculations and


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 1  analysis; while in other cases additional testing may be

 2  required.

 3           Failure to include the adjustment factor in some

 4  form or another would mean that the emission spike during

 5  regeneration is ignored and manufacturers would not be

 6  held accountable for their actual in-use emission levels

 7  when a malfunction occurs.

 8                            --o0o--

 9           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  For diesels there

10  is one more issue that I would like to provide some

11  background information on before discussing the details of

12  the issue itself.

13           Under some operating conditions manufacturers

14  legally invoke engine protection strategies that bypass

15  one or more emission controls and increase emissions.

16  These strategies are defined in the proposal as

17  emission-increasing auxiliary emission control devices, or

18  EI-AECDs.  Such bypass strategies are reviewed and

19  approved by ARB during the certification process.

20  Manufacturers submit data to justify the need for the

21  strategies and quantify the emission impact.  ARB approval

22  is based solely on manufacturers' data obtained from a few

23  in-use vehicles.  Staff has no practical way of validating

24  these date and is concerned that such strategies can be

25  used to compensate for inadequate engine and emission


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 1  control system designs that cannot meet the rigors of

 2  normal vehicle usage.

 3           ARB needs to know how often manufacturers

 4  actually derate or shut off emission controls in use to

 5  ensure these strategies are not being abused.  Without

 6  such knowledge, emissions from vehicles in use could be

 7  much higher than expected.

 8                            --o0o--

 9           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  With that as the

10  background, staff has proposed a simple requirement for

11  the OBD system to track cumulative vehicle operation while

12  these bypass strategies are invoked.

13           Manufacturers would implement this requirement by

14  adding software in the on-board computer to do the

15  tracking.  And it would not require additional emission

16  testing by the manufacturer.

17           The on-board computer would store bypass

18  operation time, and the data could then be downloaded from

19  the vehicle computer and compared to the data provided by

20  the manufacturer at the time of certification.  It is also

21  worth noting that many of these vehicles already track

22  some engine operating conditions, such as total engine run

23  time or idle time.  So the concept of using the on-board

24  computer to track a specific operating condition is not a

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 1           This proposal has been an issue of controversy

 2  with the manufacturers.  Manufacturers argue that the OBD

 3  regulation is not the proper place for such a requirement,

 4  because they believe how often they bypass emission

 5  controls has nothing to do with OBD or detecting

 6  malfunctions.

 7           Staff believes it is the proper place because OBD

 8  is the only regulation that specifies standardized data

 9  that must be available from the on-board computer

10  including data to help technicians repair vehicles, data

11  to help facilitate smog check or other inspections of

12  vehicles, and data to help ARB staff confirm compliance

13  with the regulatory requirements.

14           Manufacturers also argue that these strategies

15  are highly confidential and this requirement would

16  facilitate reverse engineering.  However, this tracking

17  would not provide any realtime indication of when a

18  strategy is active.

19                            --o0o--

20           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  Lastly, I would

21  like to cover two other items included in the proposal

22  before you today.

23           The first includes necessary changes to align the

24  OBD enforcement regulation with the revised thresholds and

25  phase-ins already discussing.  Additional specification


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 1  was also added regarding enforcement actions that prevent

 2  the vehicle from getting a proper smog check inspection.

 3           Switching gears away from OBD for a moment, the

 4  second item includes a minor change in the emission

 5  warranty regulation.  Currently a portion of the

 6  emission-related components that have high repair costs

 7  are covered for 7 years or 70,000 miles.  However,

 8  coverage of those parts is contingent on an outdated

 9  warranty parts list that does not include all of the

10  technology on today's cars.

11           The proposed changes address that very list by

12  removing the reference to it to ensure all parts that are

13  emission related and exceed the repair cost would be

14  covered by the high cost warranty.

15                            --o0o--

16           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  To wrap up

17  today's presentation I would like to summarize, that

18  effective OBD systems are essential to assuring emissions

19  remain low throughout the life of the vehicle.  Robust OBD

20  systems are as important as the tailpipe emission

21  standards themselves.

22           As a whole, gasoline OBD systems are doing the

23  job they were designed to do and doing it very well.  Ten

24  years of experience has led to very mature gasoline

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 1  today.

 2           Diesel OBD, on the other hand, is largely new and

 3  the diagnostics, along with the technology, need time to

 4  develop to become as effective by 2013.

 5                            --o0o--

 6           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER MONTES:  Staff's

 7  recommendation is to adopt the proposed regulations with

 8  15 day changes and to direct staff to conduct a biennial

 9  review, as has been done in the past.

10           And this concludes the staff presentation.  And I

11  thank you for your attention.

12           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you very much.

13           Ms. Ferreira, would you present the Ombudsman's

14  report and any concerns that you may have to the Board.

15           ACTING OMBUDSMAN FERREIRA:  Yes.  Dr. Sawyer and

16  members of the Board.  This regulation has been developed

17  with input from individual manufacturers of passenger

18  cars, light-duty trucks and medium-duty vehicles and

19  engines, as well as their associations including the

20  Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, the Association of

21  International Automobile Manufactures, and the Engine

22  Manufacturers Association and their legal counsel.

23           Staff began the regulatory efforts in 2005.  In

24  November 2005 they held a workshop in El Monte.

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 1  representing the vehicle manufacturers, suppliers,

 2  associations, and aftermarket repair industry.  Also staff

 3  held numerous meetings with individual manufacturers as

 4  well as their associations.

 5           The staff report was published on August 11th,

 6  2006, and posted to the ARB's website that same date.

 7           Hard copy and list serve notifications were sent

 8  to the stakeholders.  More than 650 stakeholders received

 9  the report via hard copy and nearly 400 received it

10  through the mail.

11           This concludes my comments.

12           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

13           Are there any questions from the Board members?

14           I really had expected all of the Board members to

15  read the 172 pages of Title 13, Section 1968.2.  But

16  perhaps only an engineer could find that exciting.

17           (Laughter.)

18           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  I would like to call now the

19  first three witnesses who have signed up.  And this will

20  be Steve Douglas, John Cabaniss, And Lisa Stegink.

21           MR. DOUGLAS:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of

22  the Board.  I'm Steven Douglas with the Alliance of

23  Automobile Manufacturers.  The Alliance is a trade

24  association of nine car and light truck manufacturers.

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 1  I'd like to just commend ARB staff and the automobile

 2  manufacturers on the hard work and the diligence over the

 3  last 18 months of putting this together.

 4           The regulations before you represent literally

 5  thousands of meetings, phone calls, conference calls,

 6  e-mails and workshops between ARB staff, the automobile

 7  manufacturers, the Tier 1 suppliers, the associations and

 8  other interest parties.  So it's a lot of work.  And of

 9  the many, many issues that we've started with, we're down

10  to just a few.  So I think that's a -- it's just a

11  tremendous amount of work.

12           The issues that we have are nonetheless

13  important.

14           And we should also say up front that we believe

15  in the on-board diagnostic system.  We believe that the

16  systems accurately monitor the vehicle emission system.

17  We believe the systems effectively alert the operator when

18  a malfunction occurs, and that they effectively direct the

19  repair technician to the problem when a problem occurs.

20           So with that background, I'd like to turn to our

21  suggested changes.

22           First, we support the comments and the

23  recommendation of the Engine Manufacturers Association and

24  of our member companies who will testify later.  The

25  intent of our suggestions is to provide a robust OBD


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 1  system, while focusing very scarce engineering resources

 2  on those changes which provide the most benefit.  I've

 3  provided written comments which provide more detail, and

 4  they also add some additional recommendations.

 5           So just in the interests of time I'd like to

 6  focus my comments on only four areas.  And those are

 7  additional testing for light-duty diesel vehicles, cold

 8  start emission reduction strategies, infrequent

 9  regeneration adjustment factors, and the CVN CAL-ID

10  database.

11           First, additional testing for light-duty diesels.

12  Vehicles sold in California willfully comply with the

13  emission requirements, the durability requirements, and

14  the OBD requirements for the full useful life of the

15  vehicles.  Nonetheless we understand that some are still

16  concerned that light-duty diesel vehicles will fail to

17  meet the emission standards and the higher thresholds will

18  allow those emissions to go undetected.

19           Although we believe this concern is misplaced and

20  that the additional testing is unnecessary, we're willing

21  to accept some additional testing to confirm the emissions

22  of light-duty diesel vehicles.

23           However, the proposed testing is difficult.  It's

24  involved.  It dramatically increases the burden on

25  manufacturers and strains already limited resources that


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 1  should be devoted to developing and testing more robust

 2  emission control systems.

 3           We simply ask the Board to adopt reasonable

 4  testing requirements that provide flexibility to

 5  manufacturers and not to add further testing beyond those

 6  already proposed.

 7           The second issue is cold start emission reduction

 8  strategy that the staff has mentioned.  The majority of

 9  vehicle emissions occur when the vehicle is started and

10  the catalyst is cold.  This is known as cold start

11  emissions.  Manufacturers have developed a number of

12  strategies to reduce these emissions including, among

13  others, increasing the engine RPM on start-up or retarding

14  spark.  Recognizing the impact that these strategies have,

15  the ARB adopted standards in 2002 to turn on the "check

16  engine" light if emissions exceeded 50 percent of the

17  standard, or 1.5 times the standard.

18           The proposed changes add an additional

19  requirement:  To turn on the "check engine" light if any

20  commanded element doesn't perform properly, regardless of

21  the emissions impact.  We've discussed this with the staff

22  on a number of occasions.  They view the cold start

23  requirement as similar to comprehensive component

24  monitoring.

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 1  monitoring to assist the repair technicians by requiring

 2  manufacturers to turn on the "check engine" light for any

 3  component that cause emissions to increase by 15 percent

 4  or more.

 5           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  I must ask you to conclude

 6  in light of our three-minute rule.

 7           MR. DOUGLAS:  Okay.  For cold start we'd ask you

 8  adopt a requirement to put in an emission threshold on

 9  there of 15 percent, the exact same criteria you had for

10  comprehensive component monitoring.

11           The only other issue is the infrequent

12  regeneration adjustment.  That is a big issue for the

13  automobile manufacturers.  It does increase the stringency

14  of the standards.  And there is virtually no time to meet

15  a 2008 requirement for the oxidation catalyst.

16           Thank you.

17           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

18           Does staff have any comments on the request?

19           ADVANCED ENGINEERING SECTION MANAGER McCARTHY:

20           On the first item for in-use diesel testing, we

21  had indeed added language to require the manufacturers to

22  test these diesels in the exact same manner that we test

23  them at ARB if we were to do investigation for in-use

24  compliance testing.  That is, we seek out ten vehicles and

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 1           That said, I know our staff internally have been

 2  working on ways to speed up that process and expedite that

 3  process and look at samples of vehicles that gives --

 4  smaller samples that give equally confident -- equal

 5  confidence that they will be meeting the standards.

 6           And so we have included some language in the

 7  provision for testing that allows them to sort of follow

 8  along with any improvements we make in our own testing, so

 9  that they again can mimic our testing.  And if that heads

10  down a path of testing fewer vehicles to get the same

11  amount of confidence, I think that would -- it would

12  automatically apply for them as well.  It does provide

13  some room for improvements to come along and then to pick

14  up -- still do the testing, still give us equivalent

15  assurance that they're meeting the standards.  And I think

16  that will help address their concern on the in-use

17  testing.

18           On the second item, on cold start emission

19  reductions, we do believe that cold start emission

20  reduction strategies are specifically added just to reduce

21  emissions.  They're not a component that's put on the car

22  that has a -- for another purpose and has a subsequent

23  reaction that impacts emissions.  These are strategies

24  they've specifically designed to help meet the emission

25  standards.  And as cars get cleaner, we find more and more


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 1  manufacturers that have strategies of components that

 2  collectively bring the car down to the low levels, but

 3  individually have a small impact.  And in keeping with the

 4  tradition of trying to know everything about the car and

 5  how it's doing, we have kept the requirement that if any

 6  individual element completely fails, that is, they command

 7  an increase in idle speed and get no increase in idle

 8  speed, or they command retarded spark and get no

 9  additional spark retarded, then they would have to detect

10  a malfunction, and making sure each of these individual

11  elements we think is key in OBD, to make sure that the

12  overall car is performing as well as it can be without

13  having several things wrong at the same time.

14           And the third item was the CVN --

15           MR. DOUGLAS:  Yeah, CVN CAL-ID.

16           ADVANCED ENGINEERING SECTION MANAGER McCARTHY:

17  The CVN CAL-ID database, it's actually a test -- a data

18  that's spit out of the car that we use during smog check

19  or will use at smog check.  And we actually are providing

20  a separate mail-out to help manufacturers with a template

21  for that.  And I think in principle we don't have a

22  problem with their agreement that we put this in place to

23  start that standardized data template in 2008 model year,

24  as they've suggested.  So I don't think that will be a

25  problem for us to make that change.  That gives us and


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 1  them time to put the data into that format.

 2           And the last one, the infrequent regeneration

 3  adjustment factor, I think we'll hear more about it.  And

 4  I think I'll wait and comment on it after we've heard from

 5  EMA and the others about the same.  I think we'll get some

 6  more information about it.

 7           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Fine.  Thank you very much.

 8           MR. DOUGLAS:  Thank you.

 9           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  John Cabaniss.

10           MR. CABANISS:  Good afternoon.  My name's John

11  Cabaniss and I'm Director of Environment and Energy for

12  the Association of International Automobile Manufacturers.

13           I appreciate the opportunity to provide comments

14  today on the proposed changes to the OBD rules.  We too

15  would like to thank ARB staff for the hard work and the

16  accommodations they've made to us over the past 18 months

17  in working on our issues and comments.  And as Steve said,

18  that was a very worthwhile effort in terms of addressing

19  most of our issues.

20           As you know, the OBD rules are complicated.

21  That's evidenced by the 172 page draft.  The OBD

22  thresholds and standards being proposed today are truly

23  technology forcing.  Technical challenges remain.  And

24  this is especially true for diesels, where OBD technology

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 1           It's essential that the dialogue between auto

 2  makers and ARB staff continues.  That's true both for the

 3  biennial process that we -- in reviewing the rules, but

 4  also in the interim to have a routine dialogue to discuss

 5  progress and any issues that arise.

 6           We believe it's also important for the

 7  regulations to contain flexibility to allow staff to

 8  adjust requirements as they deem appropriate.

 9           While IAM is neutral on the proposed regulations,

10  we fully agree with ARB that OBD systems are an important

11  and necessary tool for ensuring in-use compliance for

12  vehicles throughout their useful lives.  We do not object

13  to further developing and implementing more robust

14  systems.  However, we believe it is critical that OBD

15  requirements do not become obstacles for the development

16  and deployment of advanced vehicle technologies needed to

17  address overall environmental goals.

18           Finally, I would note that IAM also supports the

19  comments being presented today by the Alliance and the

20  Engine Manufacturers Association.

21           Thank you.

22           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

23           Lisa Stegink.  And then we'll have Mark Stepper,

24  John Trajnowski and Timothy Gundrum.

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 1  here today on behalf of the Engine Manufacturers

 2  Association.  EMA supports the comments of the Alliance

 3  and the IAM, so I will not repeat those.

 4           My comments address the medium-duty aspects of

 5  this rule, all of which will be difficult and challenging

 6  for engine manufacturers to meet.  As you figured out, the

 7  OBD rule is pretty technical and very complex.

 8           Today we're specifically asking the Board for

 9  relief on one narrow issue that -- which should not be

10  implemented, the requirement to develop the unique

11  infrequent regeneration adjustment factors for the NMHC or

12  diesel oxidation catalyst, or DOC, in 2008.

13           EMA asks the Board to postpone that requirement

14  until 2010 for several reasons.  The first two are timing

15  and workload.  Manufacturers have finished their engine

16  and OBD systems designs for 2007 and are in the process of

17  certifying those engine products.  Those 2007 engines will

18  be carried over into 2008 and 2009 until the next change

19  of emission standards in 2010.

20           Manufacturers already are deeply engaged in

21  developing the engine and OBD technology necessary to meet

22  the 2010 standards and in meeting in-use program

23  requirements, which will come up after this item.  Adding

24  unique IRAFs, as we call them, adjustment factors adds one

25  more burden that would further strain manufacturers'


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 1  already limited resources.  Even without any other work to

 2  do, 2008 is right around the corner in design terms, and

 3  there's not enough time to develop and validate new

 4  monitoring strategies for 2008.

 5           We agree that it is appropriate to look at and

 6  consider applying adjustment factors to account for the

 7  potential emission effects of infrequent regeneration

 8  events.  But it's simply too late to require unique

 9  adjustment factors for 2008.

10           The first two were timing and workload.  The

11  third reason is need.  Manufacturers have other systems in

12  place that will help control emissions and turn on the MIL

13  if a partially failed DOC does not properly regenerate.

14           Those systems developed as back-ups and to ensure

15  performance will help control emissions by turning on the

16  MIL and making sure the engines get repaired.

17           The fourth reason is stringency.  Adding

18  adjustment factors to the calculations makes the OBD

19  thresholds tougher to meet.  These thresholds already have

20  been set at the very limits of what ARB thinks

21  manufacturers can achieve.  At this late date ARB should

22  not impose this very narrow unique requirement for DOC

23  adjustment factors in 2008.  We're asking for the

24  additional modest time until 2010.  And we'd ask that you

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 1           One other issue that we think was an oversight.

 2  We see in the 15-day language that ARB is proposing to

 3  give light duty additional time in the switch over from

 4  lower to higher ratios for rate-based monitoring.  This is

 5  again a separate issue.  We believe it's also appropriate

 6  to give medium duty the same relief for the 2013 and 2014

 7  model years, and we ask you to direct staff to make that

 8  change as well.

 9           Thank you.

10           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

11           Would staff respond on those two requests.

12           ADVANCED ENGINEERING SECTION MANAGER McCARTHY:

13           Sure.  The second one on the in-use ratios, we

14  actually -- I think we concur with EMA in that the -- we

15  afforded light duty some allowance for a couple years to

16  transition.  And it's appropriate to provide that same

17  transition time for medium-duty diesels.  So we would put

18  that change in with our 15-day changes to allow two more

19  years of transition time for them on the ratios that

20  affect how optimum monitors run in use.

21           On the first issue, the bigger item is the

22  infrequent regeneration.  As we explained in our

23  presentation, the adjustment factors are there solely to

24  account for regeneration emissions and that spike that

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 1           The oxidation catalyst was singled out by us

 2  because its primary role is to help regeneration.  And so

 3  it's emission benefit is primarily during the regeneration

 4  event.  And when it's deteriorated or malfunctioning, the

 5  already substantial emissions during regen can get even

 6  higher, substantially higher.  And so we had focused on

 7  that -- on the catalyst so that when they achieved -- try

 8  to achieve a regeneration, they tend to add extra

 9  hydrocarbons into the exhaust.  If the catalyst has

10  deteriorated and not converted them, those hydrocarbons

11  can pass straight through that catalyst and out the

12  tailpipe.  So it feeds itself as something that can be a

13  substantial emission impact during regen.

14           And if we do not have an account for the

15  adjustment factor starting to designate specifically for a

16  malfunction in DOC, we have a little bit of an unchecked

17  situation.

18           As Lisa mentioned, they do have bounds in there

19  on how much fuel they'll add.  They have other safety

20  measures in there to try to protect the equipment and

21  place some limits on it.  But we don't have a very

22  objective bound that we can hold all manufacturers to and

23  emissions can be very, very high during that.  So that's

24  why we had singled that catalyst out for 2008 to start

25  them on the track of thinking about the effect on regen


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 1  when that component malfunctions and making sure we've got

 2  safeguards in place to limit how bad hydrocarbon emissions

 3  can get during that event.

 4           That said, we have added a little bit of language

 5  to help try to ease their workload burden.  And we have

 6  provided an alternative to -- establishing a full

 7  adjustment factor in 2008, we provided an alternative that

 8  would make them bound the condition up a little bit better

 9  by performing a couple emission tests with regen and with

10  a deteriorated catalyst that would help us have some idea

11  that the situation is bound without doing the extensive

12  work that would be needed to get the exact adjustment

13  factor.  And we think that helps define the workload,

14  provide a meaningful amount of limitation on a workload,

15  while also still getting us some objective standard that

16  we can hold them accountable to, as well as all

17  manufacturers, to the same level.

18           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

19           Ms. Berg.

20           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  And then with that adjustment

21  when would the full regulation be in effect?

22           ADVANCED ENGINEERING SECTION MANAGER McCARTHY:

23           In 2010 the manufacturers would be responsible to

24  properly do the adjustment factor for all the

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 1           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  So would that work for you?

 2           MS. STEGINK:  Are you asking me if the 15-day

 3  change?

 4           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Yes.

 5           MS. STEGINK:  Okay.  Well, we still have the

 6  issue of the timing, which is really -- I mean I just want

 7  to emphasize that 2008 for engine manufacturers is really

 8  upon them now.  So it's very difficult.  It's really very

 9  late in the process for us.

10           As to the 15 day language, we did see that this

11  morning.  We've had a lot of discussions over the last

12  couple of days on this issue.  We haven't yet been able to

13  evaluate whether that does address it.  We have to really

14  take some time and get all the manufacturers involved in

15  looking at it.  It may address some of the testing issues,

16  at first glance, and some of the workload issues.  But it

17  still doesn't address as far as we think right now -- and,

18  again, as I said, we haven't had much time to look at it

19  and to really consider it -- it really doesn't address the

20  need to change and develop new technology really for just

21  one year away.

22           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Thank you.

23           CHIEF DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER CACKETTE:  Could I

24  add one thing, Mr. Chairman?

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 1           CHIEF DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER CACKETTE:  This is

 2  clearly a short period of time and it's clearly to some

 3  degree forcing.  They're not quite sure whether they can

 4  comply or not.  And we recognize that.  But we think this

 5  is a pretty important issue, because if that catalyst was

 6  gone, we've seen data that said the emissions go up by 60

 7  times the standard -- 6-0 -- which is a big impact when

 8  you spread it out even over a 300 mile trip.

 9           There's another offramp here though to address

10  the short timeframe.  And, that is, in all of our OBD when

11  the changes are relatively new, we provide for

12  deficiencies.  And what a deficiency is is if you try and

13  fail, you can claim a deficiency and not have to fully

14  meet the requirements.  If you fail to try, you can't.

15  But in this case they're already trying.  And the question

16  I think the various manufacturers have is, "Am I close

17  enough or am I not close enough?"  They're not quite sure.

18  And so if they try and fail, they can use a deficiency.

19  They get three free deficiencies in 2008.  So that means

20  three things on the OBD system could be less than in

21  compliance, or not in compliance, as long as they tried.

22  And so we think that's a pretty good offramp.

23           Even if they used up all three and they needed a

24  fourth, they're able to do that and they simply pay in

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 1  there's no chance that it will cause, "Oh, my goodness, I

 2  can't produce this vehicle in 2008 model year."

 3           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Well, and what I'm hearing on

 4  the 15-day change is that you're going to require

 5  additional data but not the full regulation in effect

 6  until 2010.  Am I understanding that correctly?

 7           CHIEF DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER CACKETTE:  No, I

 8  think what the change does is provide a mechanism to

 9  reduce the workload and the amount of testing that would

10  be required to make the demonstration that they're in

11  compliance for 2008.  So it's trying to address their

12  second point, which is the workload that's needed in this

13  relatively short period of time.

14           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  So they would need to come up

15  with the programing and whatever needs to be done to the

16  on-board diagnostic to determine this infrequent

17  regeneration factors by 2008?

18           CHIEF DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER CACKETTE:  Yes.

19           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  But what you're saying is

20  that you're going to lighten the load for the testing

21  purposes and so forth and delay that -- I mean you'll ramp

22  it up until it's in full effect in 2010?

23           CHIEF DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER CACKETTE:  Right.

24  So that for 2008 there's a lower cost way, less timely

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 1  they make it and if they find out they're in trouble,

 2  they're not able to have a system that works, then they've

 3  got these deficiencies that they can use to basically say

 4  "oops," and it will be okay.  And we do that because we

 5  know that these are challenging and that some mistakes or

 6  some, you know, developments just won't come quite as far

 7  as one had hoped.  And that's what the provision's there

 8  for.  It's been there on gasoline side since 1996 as well.

 9           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Thank you.

10           MS. STEGINK:  May I comment briefly on the

11  deficiencies?

12           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Okay.

13           MS. STEGINK:  We do support having deficiencies,

14  because they're absolutely needed.  So we appreciate the

15  fact that they're in there, and manufacturers do need them

16  and will use them.  My only caution is to be sure -- to

17  make sure or to be aware of not using deficiencies as a

18  replacement for doing a thorough upfront technological

19  feasibility analysis.

20           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

21           Mark Stepper.

22           MR. STEPPER:  Good afternoon, chairman and

23  members of the Board.  My name is Mark Stepper and I work

24  for Cummins, Incorporated.  I'm a director in the Product

25  Environmental Management area there.  And I'm responsible


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 1  for the OBD certification of our diesel engines.  I'm here

 2  today to provide Cummins' input on the proposed changes to

 3  the OBD II regulation.

 4           I'd like to start off by saying Cummins is a

 5  member of the EMA and fully supports the comments that

 6  have been -- the written comments that have been submitted

 7  by the Engine Manufacturers Association.

 8           Over the course of the past year, culminating in

 9  a number of meetings that we've had in the past months and

10  a flurry of calls and discussions this past week and last

11  few days, we've been able to work with staff and industry

12  to make some needed changes in the OBD rule.  The staff

13  themselves have made theirselves available for these

14  meetings and calls.  And there's been a lot of spirited

15  discussions, as you might think there would be.

16           And OBD II is not a simple diagnostic add-on.

17  It's a very stringent -- add-on to stringent emission

18  standards.  The required OBD systems demand much

19  engineering resources and technical ingenuity, as does the

20  development of the compliant emissions control systems.

21  So the OBD workload is nearly or maybe more so than the

22  emissions workload.

23           When very demanding OBD requirements are made

24  coincident with a stringency change in the emission

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 1  Cummins is finding it difficult to complete the

 2  development of the basic emission control systems in time

 3  and to finalize the development of the systems that are

 4  required to satisfy these OBD II requirements.

 5           As I mentioned above, the staff has met with us

 6  both in person and on the phone numerous times in an

 7  attempt to address our issues without compromising the

 8  needed diagnostic systems for these new emission

 9  technologies.

10           The changes included in the 15-day package that

11  we've seen just this morning here represent what we

12  believe to be the outcome of the discussions.  And we'll

13  need to spend more time studying that, but we think it

14  gives us a workable rule.  Still sets the bar plenty high,

15  but a workable rule.  And we recommend that you adopt the

16  15-day notice changes that are proposed.

17           But there is still another issue I would like to

18  address.  And, that is, the timing of these changes.

19  Today, September 28th, 2006, is a pretty late time to be

20  making changes for the 2007 model year product that is --

21  has been delivered already for some and is getting ready

22  to be delivered by others.  Now, as I mentioned, these

23  changes are needed and we couldn't live without some of

24  the changes getting folded in to the rule, so those are

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 1  topic should have been addressed at a hearing months or

 2  even a year ago.  Cummins and other manufacturers have EO

 3  approvals that have provisions contingent on the outcome

 4  of this hearing.  We think this is an unreasonable

 5  jeopardy.

 6           In addition, we've held off on submitting other

 7  applications pending the outcome of this hearing.  It is

 8  unreasonable that we should be put in this kind of a

 9  position.  These issues are complex and take a lot of time

10  to address.  We just encourage the process to get started

11  earlier.

12           This issue was to have been heard by the Board

13  earlier but was delayed, not once but twice.  And even the

14  original hearing was late in the development cycle for the

15  2007 model year products.

16           I request that the Board and the staff commit

17  themselves to address OBD biennial review changes in an

18  earlier development cycle.

19           I thank you for the opportunity to provide input

20  into the process here.  And at this time I'd be glad to

21  answer any questions you might have.

22           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  So does 2008 work better?

23           MR. STEPPER:  Well, there's some of the changes

24  that are proposed for a 2008 model year with the 2008

25  requirement for the DOC and factoring in this new


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 1  requirement of IRAFs.  The number of changes for '07 were

 2  really to adjust the thresholds for the monitors that are

 3  required for the 2007 model year product.

 4           So I think, in short, probably moving that out to

 5  '08 probably wouldn't make too much of a difference

 6  because those products are petty well developed as well.

 7           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  I see.  Thank you.

 8           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Does staff want to comment

 9  on the timing?

10           ADVANCED ENGINEERING SECTION MANAGER McCARTHY:

11           There are requirements.  As we've said in the

12  presentation, medium-duty, including diesel, have had to

13  meet OBD since 1996 and 1997 model year.  So even at the

14  2002, the last time we visited this item in 2002, there

15  were requirements in place and adopted on the books for

16  2007 and subsequent diesels.

17           Part of what Mark was talking about is today we

18  are changing some of those, revising those -- actually

19  revising the thresholds higher to give them a chance to

20  comply based on what the technology is capable of doing

21  today.

22           And so that's why we are making changes.  They do

23  need them to apply in the 2007 model year because we're

24  making it easier for them to comply in many situations.

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 1  of discussion.  Prior to 2007 model year, diesel

 2  manufacturers did not have these infrequent regeneration

 3  events, and so they -- it was all new for them for

 4  certification in 2007 as well as for OBD.  There hasn't

 5  been any -- much discussion about it prior to then because

 6  it was never used or required.  And that's why it's -- the

 7  adjustment factors is one item that's come up more

 8  recently.

 9           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Dr. Sawyer, we

10  also had a significant amount of work on the light-duty

11  elements of the rule -- light-duty diesel, which were

12  principally responsible for the delay.  Had we broken it

13  into two parts, we might have been able to get medium-duty

14  here sooner, but we were trying to be efficient with staff

15  resources as well.

16           So it's not our preferred way of operating, but

17  we wanted to get it all done in one go so we have

18  gasoline, light-duty and medium-duty.  And light-duty

19  diesel took the most time.

20           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Is the regeneration the big

21  issue here for 2007?

22           MR. STEPPER:  I would say it's just one.  The

23  2007 model year products will come out with a new diesel

24  particulate filters to be able to comply with new emission

25  standards.  So that new technology requires this


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 1  regeneration process, which is a new requirement.  And the

 2  infrequent regeneration adjustment factors that you're

 3  hearing about today is something that came along new when

 4  that type of emission device was required to be able to

 5  satisfy emission standards.

 6           So the dealing with those adjustment factors is

 7  something that both EPA and ARB are even having difficulty

 8  finalizing how they should be treated just for the

 9  emission standards certification itself, let alone the

10  add-on work for the OBD monitoring.  So it's just the new

11  technology, these adjustment factors are new and how to

12  deal with them.  So I think another year or two down the

13  road it won't be nearly as problematic because we'll all

14  be more familiar with them.

15           MOBILE SOURCE CONTROL DIVISION CHIEF CROSS:

16           Well, we were struggling with the fact that we

17  needed to adjust virtually all of the factors that applied

18  to OBD for diesel compared to what we're used to for

19  gasoline.  So it was a larger task than just what's

20  disputed here.  It was a very -- you know, a huge

21  technical task to assess each one of these monitoring

22  requirements and figure out what to do with it.  And I

23  think what we've ended up with is good, but it took a

24  while to fight through all of the issues.

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 1           MR. STEPPER:  Thank you.

 2           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  John Trajnowski.

 3           MR. TRAJNOWSKI:  Good afternoon.  My name is John

 4  Trajnowski and I'm a regulatory engineer with Ford Motor

 5  Company's Vehicle Environmental Engineering staff.  I'm

 6  here today to present Ford's position on the proposed

 7  changes to the OBD II requirements.

 8           As a preliminary matter, Ford supports -- fully

 9  supports the comments submitted by the Alliance of

10  Automobile Manufacturers and the Engine Manufacturers

11  Association, and we participated in the development of

12  those comments.  So, therefore, for the sake of time I

13  will confine my statement to two significant issues and

14  that readdress all the issues raised by EMA and the

15  Alliance.

16           The first issue regards the requirement to apply

17  unique infrequent regeneration adjustment factors to the

18  diesel oxidation catalyst malfunction threshold.

19           The proposed changes would require us to develop

20  an entirely new monitoring strategy on our medium-duty

21  diesel vehicles in 2008.  And this simply does not provide

22  enough -- us with enough lead time to fully develop and

23  validate an entirely new monitoring strategy and implement

24  it into production in just a little over a year's time.

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 1  significantly cut short our validation process and, in

 2  turn, run a much higher risk of false malfunction

 3  indicator lights illuminating in the field, which could

 4  result in the replacement of a perfectly good catalyst at

 5  a very large expense to industry, to the vehicle owner,

 6  with no air quality benefit.

 7           Therefore, we urge the Board to delay the

 8  requirement until 2010 so that we will have sufficient

 9  lead time to properly validate and implement a new

10  monitoring strategy.  And implement it in a timeframe that

11  is consistent with other changes that will be required for

12  the OBD II system.

13           The second issue involves the proposal to enhance

14  the existing monitoring requirements for the cold start

15  emission reduction strategies for both the gasoline and

16  the diesel vehicles.

17           These are strategies that we use to heat up the

18  catalyst faster during a cold start, such as retarding the

19  spark timing or increasing idle speed.

20           Ford's current monitoring strategy determines the

21  catalyst temperature during the warm-up to ensure that it

22  reaches a minimum temperature by a sufficient time period.

23  So if we don't achieve the minimum temperature because of

24  a malfunction, we'll light the MIL.

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 1  also directly monitor all of the individual components

 2  that could affect catalyst warm-up, such as spark timing

 3  or engine idle speed, no matter how little we may try to

 4  modulate them during the start, and with no consideration

 5  on how much or how little they may affect emissions.

 6           This could result in a false MIL if, for example,

 7  the vehicle was filled with bad fuel and the engine

 8  control strategy increased the spark timing during the

 9  cold start to keep the engine from stalling.

10           Therefore, Ford does not support adoption of the

11  new -- additional monitoring of individual components of

12  the cold start strategy, because it is repetitive and

13  prone to false results.

14           At a minimum, the Board should direct the ARB

15  staff to revise the requirement to include a minimum

16  emissions threshold for individual components, similar to

17  the comprehensive component monitoring requirements and

18  criteria, such that the component would not require

19  monitoring unless it can affect emissions by more than 15

20  percent of the standard on an FTP test.

21           So in closing I'd just like to thank you for this

22  time.  And I'll be happy to take any questions you may

23  have.

24           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

25           Are there any questions from the Board?


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 1           If not, thank you very much.

 2           Timothy Gundrum.

 3           MR. GUNDRUM:  Good afternoon and thank you.

 4           My name is Tim Gundrum and I'm responsible for

 5  OBD certification and compliance for International Truck

 6  and Engine Corporation.

 7           First of all, I would like to say that

 8  International supports the comments of the Engine

 9  Manufacturers Association.

10           But I wish to speak to you today specifically

11  about the proposed requirement to establish a unique

12  infrequent regeneration adjustment factor for the NMHC

13  catalyst monitor beginning in the 2008 model year.  This

14  means developing and demonstrating thresholds that

15  incorporate the effect of NMHC catalyst deterioration on

16  infrequent regenerations.

17           While there are several reasons why we believe

18  this provision should not be included in the rule, I wish

19  to concentrate on one, namely, that it is unnecessary,

20  since it would provide little incremental benefit over

21  containment measures that manufacturers already have in

22  their control strategies.

23           There are many reasons why manufacturers place

24  boundaries on the control of infrequent regeneration:

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 1  These affect the manufacturer's bottom line through

 2  customer dissatisfaction and warranty costs.

 3           During the regeneration of the PM filter, the

 4  NMHC catalyst, also known as the DOC, is used to raise the

 5  exhaust temperature by burning fuel introduced into the

 6  exhaust.  Some of the limitations placed on this process

 7  include determining whether the amount of heat at the

 8  outlet of the DOC is comparable to what is expected,

 9  placing a time limit on the length of regeneration

10  attempts, and monitoring regeneration for minimum

11  effectiveness.

12           Regenerations are aborted or avoided and errors

13  are flagged when it becomes obvious that there is a

14  problem.  Thus, the emissions impact of a DOC malfunction

15  will be limited.  Engine manufacturers do not

16  indiscriminately increase fuel levels in order to achieve

17  regeneration when a DOC has deteriorated.  Upper

18  boundaries are placed on these levels and they are based

19  on extensive laboratory and field test data.

20           In summary, we feel that the containment measures

21  that manufacturers already have in their control

22  strategies ensure that the concerns of ARB will not be

23  realized.  We believe that there will be little or no

24  benefit of going through the exercise of creating

25  malfunction thresholds, incorporating special infrequent


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 1  regeneration adjustment factors for the case of a

 2  deteriorated DOC, and it would also be a monumental task.

 3           We urge the Board to at least delay this

 4  requirement until 2010 so that in the interim we can work

 5  together to determine the most effective way to eliminate

 6  ARB's concerns.

 7           Thank you.

 8           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

 9           Staff have a comment on what we've heard?

10           CHIEF DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER CACKETTE:  Let me

11  make a couple comments on it.

12           We understand that the manufacturers don't want

13  to squirt unlimited amount of fuel into the filter because

14  it could -- you know, ultimately you could have so much

15  fuel in there, you could cause a fire.  So there's some

16  limits on the amount of fuel that would be put in to help

17  with regeneration.  And with a defective catalyst there's

18  some limit on how much hydrocarbons might result from that

19  and be emitted into the atmosphere.  But as I indicated

20  before, you know, some of the data we've seen recently

21  shows that if the oxidation catalyst, or we call it the

22  DOC catalyst, is completely failed, this could result in

23  things -- our charts show 10 times -- as much as 60 times

24  increase in emissions, which doesn't sound to me like

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 1           Second of all, just as of yesterday we had

 2  discussions with several manufacturers who described what

 3  the limits were, the mechanical or electronic limits on

 4  how much fuel could be injected and other limits they've

 5  put on the system.  But the problem was that none of them

 6  could show us what the emission impact is.  And given the

 7  other data showing very high emission increase, that

 8  worries us.

 9           So what it boils down to one more time is that if

10  the emission impact is not very large because they have

11  constrained -- put limits on how much extra fuel could be

12  injected for regeneration and other types of limits, then,

13  you know, they don't have a problem.  And to find that out

14  is -- we've provided some mechanisms to try to do it in a

15  relatively efficient manner so that it could be done

16  before 2008.  If in fact they find out that the impact is

17  big, even with these limits, on emissions -- the impact on

18  emissions and they go over the threshold, then that does

19  require them to design an entire new type of monitor, one

20  that can actually be calibrated to emissions instead of

21  more of a functional type.  And when that happens, they

22  would be in trouble, except we have this offramp with

23  deficiencies.

24           So that again fits into the -- in my view, into

25  something we want them to try.  But if they fail, there's


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 1  an offramp.  The reason to make them try is because we

 2  think this is an important issue that could result in lots

 3  of emissions.  And they couldn't show us even as of

 4  yesterday whether or not that will occur.

 5           So we have some data, some engineering judgment

 6  that this could be a serious enough issue to bother to

 7  pull this forward two years, just this one monitor.  If

 8  we're wrong and they can constrain it, it's going to be a

 9  little bit of testing and that's all that's going to be

10  required.  If it's a big impact, they're going to have to

11  try to mitigate it.  If they can't mitigate it, they get

12  to use a deficiency.  Something they don't want to do, but

13  at least they tried, and we might end up with constrained

14  emissions.  And we don't know, there's other models that,

15  you know, we -- could be introduced in '08 that we haven't

16  even seen yet.  And we would like to send the signal on

17  those, "Please design it the right way from a low

18  emissions standpoint as you're doing the designs that

19  you're finishing up right now."

20           So, you know, it is a bit of -- you know, there's

21  arguments both ways, we will concede.  But this was one

22  that we thought was worthy of your consideration to be

23  pulled out and made a little bit more stringent, but with

24  enough insurance policy that it won't stop anybody from

25  selling a truck in '08.


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 1           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

 2           Our final three speakers are Don Anair, Luke

 3  Tonachel, and Bonnie Holmes-Gen.

 4           Don Anair.

 5           MR. ANAIR:  Good afternoon, Dr. Sawyer, members

 6  of the Board.

 7           I'd just like to voice some concerns about the

 8  changes being proposed to the OBD requirements for the

 9  light-duty diesel vehicles.

10           The current emission standards for light-duty

11  vehicles broke the mold by setting equivalent emission

12  standards for both diesel and gasoline vehicles.  And

13  diesel emission controls have evolved and are poised to

14  meet the standards in the coming years.  However, by

15  relaxing the OBD requirements for diesel, we are afraid

16  that diesel vehicles and their gasoline vehicle

17  counterparts will no longer be on a level playing field.

18  As a result, diesel vehicles operating in California may

19  emit more tailpipe pollution than their gasoline

20  counterparts.

21           The measures outlined by staff are absolutely

22  necessary to provide a minimum level of assurance that the

23  emission control systems on these light-duty diesel

24  vehicles are performing throughout their useful life.  So

25  I'd just like to point out the requirements that staff has


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 1  proposed and our support for them.

 2           The in-use testing requirements are critical,

 3  because in the absence of the Smog Check program for

 4  light-duty diesel vehicles there is no assurance that

 5  light-duty diesel vehicles will be meeting the

 6  requirements of the full useful life.

 7           Staff's proposal calls for two testing points,

 8  one at 30,000 and one at 90,000 miles.  We would like to

 9  see that strengthened by adding an additional testing

10  point at 60,000 miles.  And essentially there's a 60,000

11  mile gap in the testing.  And that's equivalent to about

12  four years of driving.  So we feel that having an

13  additional testing point would give us some assurance that

14  failures are not occurring for four years without being

15  detected.

16           The in-use testing alone does not provide

17  sufficient protection against increased emissions since

18  only a handful of vehicles will be tested, while

19  potentially thousands of others will be operating

20  throughout California with no regular emissions testing

21  requirements.

22           As a backstop measure, ARB should adopt the

23  language that has been proposed by staff in order to

24  mitigate any emissions -- excess emissions from these

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 1           Finally, I encourage ARB to adopt resolution

 2  language to commit to establishing smog check for

 3  light-duty diesel vehicles.  I think this is a very

 4  important -- in the future will be a very important

 5  component to ensuring that all light-duty diesel --

 6  gasoline and diesel vehicles are meeting air quality

 7  emission standards throughout their useful life.

 8           And I just want to thank ARB staff for

 9  recognizing the need for these additional requirements

10  along with the proposed changes, and want to thank you for

11  your time and the opportunity to comment.

12           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you very much.

13           What is our commitment to smog check for

14  diesels -- light-duty diesels?  And when do we expect to

15  have that in place?

16           CHIEF DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER CACKETTE:  It's

17  unfortunate you asked the second part of that question.

18           Yeah, we are committed -- as soon as this Board

19  meeting's over we intend to write a letter to the

20  Department of Consumer Affairs and explain what the Board

21  decided, show them the resolution, and then hopefully get

22  strongly engaged in the technical details of how this

23  would happen.  There are a bunch of technical details

24  unfortunately on the administration side that the people

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 1           I cannot tell you, you know, how long that will

 2  take, because ultimately it will not be our decision, but

 3  it will be the decision of Consumer Affairs.

 4           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Well, it seems like this

 5  should be a pretty high priority.

 6           Would we anticipate there'd be a six-year amnesty

 7  period for new diesels just as there is for gasoline?

 8           CHIEF DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER CACKETTE:  No, I

 9  certainly would not argue for that.  That amnesty period

10  was earned by those vehicles demonstrating that they have

11  extremely low emissions at least during the first five or

12  six years of their life.  The question here is we don't

13  know.  So I would argue that they should be in smog check

14  at year two and until they can created a record that says

15  that they don't deteriorate.

16           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Okay.  Thank you.

17           Luke Tonachel.

18           MR. TONACHEL:  Good afternoon, Dr. Sawyer and

19  members of the Board.  My name is Luke Tonachel.  I'm with

20  the Natural Resources Defense Council.

21           My comments are going to be brief and focused on

22  light-duty diesel.  And in general I support the comments

23  that Mr. Anair made before me.

24           I had the opportunity the last three days to

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 1  right here, which was an excellent discussion on the

 2  various technologies available.  And Dr. Sawyer before

 3  that -- the opening of that meeting, as he did today, was

 4  helpful in reminding all of us that ARB's charge is not

 5  just criteria pollutants, but it also includes global

 6  warming pollution.

 7           And while light-duty diesels have the potential

 8  to provide us some advantages in terms of reducing global

 9  warming pollution, we can't ignore the other pollution as

10  well.  And during the ZEV technology symposium, members of

11  the South Coast Air Quality Management District were keen

12  to remind us about how that program is essential for

13  helping them fight the PM and ozone and other problems

14  that they have today.

15           So that's why we support the idea that light-duty

16  diesels have the same requirements as gasoline vehicles,

17  that we've held those gasoline vehicles to.

18           Now, NRDC does understand that there is some

19  technology that still needs to be developed.  So if

20  light-duty diesels are going to be allowed in California

21  before that development is completed, then I just want to

22  support the idea that it's essential we have additional

23  in-use testing with a stringent ramp-in of the regulations

24  that's being proposed.  We also mitigate any emissions

25  that are found on vehicles that are not compliant with the


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 1  emission standards as we go forward.

 2           And I'd like -- I appreciate, Dr. Sawyer, your

 3  priority on including light-duty diesels within the smog

 4  check.  And we would agree that there should not be the

 5  six-year exemption until those vehicles earn the right to

 6  have that capability.

 7           Thank you very much.

 8           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

 9           Bonnie Holmes-Gen.

10           MS. HOLMES-GEN:  Dr. Sawyer and members of the

11  Board.  Bonnie Holmes-Gen, American Lung Association of

12  California.

13           I want to comment on this item because the

14  American Lung Association has been very concerned of

15  course about light- and heavy-duty emission levels and

16  impacts on public health.  And we have believed for some

17  time that light-duty diesel vehicles should comply with

18  the same CARB tailpipe standards and OBD requirements that

19  are applied to gasoline vehicles.  So we were concerned

20  when we saw the proposal come out about any changes that

21  might place weaker standards, and concerned that there

22  might be some backsliding on emissions -- vehicle

23  emissions.

24           And of course, you know, our concern comes from a

25  public health perspective, that we don't want to see any


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 1  backsliding that would impact the public health impacts of

 2  air pollution, the lung illnesses and deaths that we

 3  already have from our extremely high smog levels.

 4           We are very appreciative of staff work on this

 5  proposal and very appreciative of the new provision that

 6  would require manufacturers to remedy any increased

 7  emissions from light-duty diesel vehicles that are

 8  demonstrating through the in-use testing.  And that is an

 9  important component of this proposal which does help to

10  ensure that we're going to capture and mitigate any excess

11  light-duty diesel emissions or any excess emissions that

12  are demonstrated through the in-use testing on those

13  vehicles.

14           And while of course the in-use testing -- well,

15  we still think that in-use testing requirements could be

16  strengthened further.  As has been stated by Mr. Anair and

17  Mr. Tonachel, we do agree that -- we do agree with them

18  that we should put in an additional testing point and that

19  a testing point should be at the 60 to 70,000 mile

20  interval.  So we do think there should be at least those

21  three testing points to do sufficient testing to look for

22  those design defects and systematic failures.

23           And has been stated, we absolutely have to have a

24  Smog Check program for these light-duty diesel vehicles.

25  I mean we can look for those design defects and systematic


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 1  failures, but we need to be able to have a system to look

 2  at individual vehicles and find those individual vehicles

 3  in need of repair.

 4           And I just wanted to comment that I appreciate

 5  you have this in the resolution.  This is going to be I

 6  think a sustained campaign to get these vehicles into a

 7  Smog Check program.  I appreciate that you're poised to

 8  send a letter.  But we need to kind of gear up for a

 9  sustained program -- sustained campaign to work with the

10  administration, to work with BAR, to work with public

11  health and environmental groups to really make this

12  happen.  And we think you should set a goal to make this

13  happen within the next two to three years at the most,

14  because we need to get this going.

15           So those are our basic comments.  We appreciate

16  the staff work.  We absolutely have to make sure that

17  we're not backsliding in any way on our air quality

18  commitments as we look at the prospect of introducing

19  light-duty diesel vehicles into California.

20           Thanks for time to comment.

21           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

22           Does staff have a comment on the proposal to add

23  a 60,000 mile test for in-use?

24           CHIEF DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER CACKETTE:  Yeah,

25  we don't really think that it's necessary.  There is


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 1  another program that's run out of the sort of

 2  certification effort.  It's a uniform program with EPA and

 3  ourselves, where there's some limited testing done at

 4  various mileage points.  And there happens to be a 50,000

 5  mile limited test requirement on the engine -- on the

 6  vehicle manufacturers.  I think it's four to five cars

 7  instead of ten.  And so we think, you know, you put that

 8  one in between the two groups of ten cars tested at 30 and

 9  90,000, that that gives you another check, at least a

10  crude check that there's not something really bad going

11  on.  We think that's probably sufficient.

12           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  I will now close the record

13  on this agenda item.  However, the record will be opened

14  when the 15-day notice of public availability is issued.

15           Written or oral comments received after this

16  hearing date but before the 15-day notice is issued will

17  not be accepted as part of the official record on this

18  agenda item.  When the record is reopened for a 15-day

19  comment period, the public may submit written comments on

20  the proposed changes which will be considered and

21  responded to in the final statement of reasons for the

22  regulation.

23           I will now take our ex parte statements -- no?

24           No.

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 1  do I have a motion to accept?

 2           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  So moved.

 3           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  And a second?

 4           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Second.

 5           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Is there any further

 6  discussion at this time?

 7           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  I wondered if the Chair

 8  would make any comments on it?

 9           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Well, as you know, I've been

10  a supporter in moving ahead to open up light-duty diesels

11  in California.  That's because I'm convinced that they can

12  be as clean as gasoline engines and must be as clean as

13  gasoline engines.  The technology is there.

14           The OBD development does indeed lag a bit.  But I

15  think the staff has come up with a plan to bring it about

16  over the next several years.  And I'm confident that the

17  industry will be successful in providing fully compliant

18  vehicles over this period of time.  And if not, the

19  consequences are pretty clear.  Then they will not be

20  selling diesels in California.

21           All those in favor signify by saying aye.

22           (Ayes.)

23           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Opposed?

24           Motion is adopted.

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 1  to adopt California's Heavy-Duty Diesel In-Use Compliance

 2  Regulation.

 3           (Thereupon an overhead presentation was

 4           Presented as follows.)

 5           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Health and Safety Code

 6  Section 43104 directs the Air Resources Board to adopt

 7  test procedures to ensure compliance with emission

 8  standards for engines used in new heavy-duty motor

 9  vehicles.

10           Existing procedures require these engines to be

11  removed from the vehicle and then installed on an engine

12  dynamometer.  This is a very time consuming and costly

13  procedure, making in-use compliance testing of heavy-duty

14  engines impractical.

15           Since 2001, Air Resources Board staff has worked

16  collaboratively with the U.S. EPA and the engine

17  manufacturers to develop a practical in-use testing and

18  compliance program based upon performing what is referred

19  to as a "not to exceed" test procedure using portable

20  emission measurement systems.

21           In May 2003, the general structure of such a

22  program was developed and agreed upon by all parties.

23  Based on this collaborative work, in June 2005 the U.S.

24  EPA adopted a manufacturer-run in-use compliance program

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 1  federally.

 2           Staff's proposal would establish California

 3  requirements that are consistent with the federal

 4  requirements.  The proposed compliance program would start

 5  in 2007 for gaseous emissions and 2008 for particulate

 6  matter emissions.

 7           Ms. Witherspoon, would you introduce this item.

 8           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Thank you, Dr.

 9  Sawyer.  I think you did a great job introducing it

10  yourself, so I'm going to go straight to the staff

11  presentation, which will be given by Dipak Bishnu of the

12  Mobile Source Control Division.

13           (Thereupon an overhead presentation was

14           Presented as follows.)

15           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  Thank you, Ms.

16  Witherspoon.

17           Good afternoon, Dr. Sawyer and members of the

18  Board.

19           Today's presentation will summarize staff's

20  proposal for California's heavy-duty diesel in-use

21  compliance regulation.

22                            --o0o--

23           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  Today's

24  presentation will first provide background information on

25  heavy-duty diesel engines and the emission requirements


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 1  for those engines.  This will be followed by a discussion

 2  on staff's proposed in-use compliance regulation, the

 3  impact this regulation will have on the manufacturers of

 4  diesel engines, the benefits associated with the proposed

 5  regulation, and the remaining issues.  I'll conclude with

 6  a summary and staff recommendation.

 7                            --o0o--

 8           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  Heavy-duty diesel

 9  engines play an important economic role, both in

10  California and nationally.  They play a vital role in the

11  transportation of goods and material throughout the United

12  States.  It is well known, especially in heavy-duty truck

13  applications, that diesel engines perform better, are more

14  fuel efficient, and are more durable than their gasoline

15  counterparts.  Unfortunately, diesel engines are also

16  significant contributors of NOx and toxic particulate

17  matter emissions.  In 2010, on-road heavy-duty diesel

18  engines will contribute 30 percent of statewide mobile

19  source NOx emissions and 20 percent of statewide diesel PM

20  emissions.

21           In order to reduce heavy-duty diesel emissions,

22  stringent new emission standards were adopted in

23  California and nationally for 2007 and newer engines.

24  Specifically, compared to the existing 2004 emission

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 1  2007 and 2010, respectively.

 2           In order to meet these lower emission standards,

 3  it will require improvements in engine design and the use

 4  of exhaust after-treatment system for both NOx and PM

 5  emissions control.

 6                            --o0o--

 7           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  Since exhaust

 8  after-treatment technologies will be needed to meet the

 9  2007 emission standards, it is important to make sure that

10  both the engine and the after-treatment systems are

11  working properly to achieve the emission reduction goals.

12  The development of an effective heavy-duty diesel in-use

13  compliance program is vital to ensure that the emission

14  standards are met in use for the useful life of the

15  engine, as well as provide the incentive for the

16  manufacturers to properly design their engines and

17  emission control systems.

18                            --o0o--

19           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  The importance of

20  an effective in-use compliance program is demonstrated by

21  ARB's past experience with our in-use compliance program

22  for light-duty vehicles, which began in the early 1980s.

23           As you can see, the early years of the compliance

24  program uncovered high engine family failure or defect

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 1  testing, the failure rate decreased to less than 10

 2  percent of the total engine families tested.  In fact, in

 3  the last three years none of the engine families tested

 4  has failed in-use compliance testing.

 5           In 2001, vehicle manufacturers began to routinely

 6  test some of their in-use vehicles under a federal and

 7  California adopted program called the In-Use Verification

 8  Program as part of the CAP 2000 program.  The testing is

 9  in addition to in-use testing that ARB or U.S. EPA would

10  conduct.  The CAP 2000 in-use compliance program for

11  light-duty vehicles is similar in concept to staff's

12  proposal before you today.

13                            --o0o--

14           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  The Health and

15  Safety Code directs ARB to adopt test procedures to ensure

16  compliance with emission standards for new motor vehicles

17  and engines.  The test procedures developed were intended

18  to determine compliance of all motor vehicles and engines.

19  But in reality, they are more applicable for testing cars

20  and light-duty trucks.  According to these procedures,

21  compliance determination requires a minimum of ten

22  vehicles or engines to be tested in the same configuration

23  as they were certified.

24                            --o0o--

25           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  The compliance


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 1  testing procedures are problematic for testing heavy-duty

 2  diesel engines because heavy-duty diesel engines are

 3  certified on an engine dynamometer.  Currently, to conduct

 4  in-use compliance testing of heavy-duty diesel engines,

 5  ten trucks would need to be removed from the revenue

 6  service, the engines would be removed from the trucks and

 7  installed on an engine dynamometer, and then each engine

 8  would be tested.  The engines would then be reinstalled in

 9  the trucks and given back to the owner.

10           This is a very time consuming and costly

11  procedure.  Current estimates indicate that the cost to

12  conduct such testing for one engine family is $250,000.

13           Therefore, a more practical and efficient way of

14  testing heavy-duty diesel vehicles is needed.  This is now

15  possible with the adoption of the "not to exceed" or NTE

16  requirements and the development of portable emission

17  measurement systems, or PEMS, which I will discuss in more

18  detail in the next few slides.

19                            --o0o--

20           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  In the 1990s

21  seven of the largest engine manufacturers were alleged to

22  have violated state and federal emission laws by disabling

23  emission control devices on heavy-duty diesel engines

24  during in-use, on-highway driving, resulting in high NOx

25  emissions when operating outside of the standard emission


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 1  test cycle called the Federal Test Procedure or FTP.

 2           To ensure that exhaust emissions were controlled

 3  under virtually all driving conditions, settlement

 4  agreements were made with most of the settling

 5  manufacturers establishing "not to exceed" limits.  The

 6  NTE requirements have been in effect beginning with the

 7  1998 model year.

 8           The NTE requirements are not based on a

 9  prescribed test cycle, but rather on a region of engine

10  operation.  In general, NTE compliance is based on meeting

11  emission limits over several 30-second-or-more periods of

12  operation in the NTE area.

13           NTE requirements allow for a broad range of test

14  conditions allowing for testing under real-world

15  conditions.  This concept is explained further in the next

16  few slides.

17                            --o0o--

18           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  Shown on this

19  slide is a typical range of engine operation that is

20  covered by the NTE requirements.  The NTE requirements

21  were designed to help ensure that heavy-duty diesel engine

22  emissions are properly controlled over a wide range of

23  speed and load combinations and typical environmental

24  conditions commonly experienced during everyday use of the

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 1           NTE establishes an area under the engine's torque

 2  versus speed curve where emissions must not exceed a

 3  specified value for any of the regulated pollutants.  It

 4  also broadens the applicable ambient conditions in which

 5  the emission limits must be met including a temperature

 6  range of 55 to 95 degrees Fahrenheit and an altitude range

 7  up to 5500 feet above sea level.

 8           As previously mentioned, the test itself does not

 9  involve a prescribed driving cycle of any given distance

10  or time.  Rather it involves any drive cycle that could

11  occur within the bounds of the NTE control area.

12                            --o0o--

13           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  Shown on this

14  slide is the entire engine operating area of a typical

15  heavy-duty diesel engine, with the NTE area shaded gray.

16  For comparison, we plotted in red engine operation that is

17  typically observed under the existing federal test

18  procedure or FTP.

19           As shown, the FTP covers a large portion of

20  engine operation.  The FTP test cycle currently used for

21  heavy-duty diesel engine certification was developed with

22  real world test data collected on heavy-duty trucks and

23  buses, representing real world driving conditions in an

24  urban environment simulating stop-and-go traffic, idling,

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 1           But it does not cover much of the mid speed, high

 2  load operation experienced by most heavy-duty trucks

 3  during normal highway driving, as shown within the green

 4  circle of the slide.  Operation of heavy-duty diesel

 5  trucks in this region can be tracked very well with NTE

 6  testing.  Thus, with both FTP and NTE testing protocols,

 7  virtually all operations of heavy-duty diesel engines will

 8  be covered at low, mid and high speed and loads.

 9           The NTE procedure allows testing on an Engine

10  dynamometer, a chassis dynamometer, or with on-board PEMS

11  during over-the-road operation.  A more detailed

12  description of PEMS is provided in the following slides.

13                            --o0o--

14           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  The emission

15  standards for heavy-duty diesel engines are expressed as

16  mass of pollutant per unit amount of work per unit time.

17  Therefore, at a minimum, the PEMS must be capable of

18  measuring exhaust concentrations of oxides of nitrogen,

19  Carbon monoxide, non-methane hydrocarbon and particulate

20  matter, exhaust flow rate, engine work output, and ambient

21  conditions such as temperature, humidity and altitude.

22           The PEMS is a self-contained unit, about 70 to

23  100 pounds in weight, measures exhaust flow and other

24  information such as vehicle location and altitude from a

25  global positioning system, and atmospheric temperature and


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 1  pressure.  Engine information from the vehicle's on-board

 2  computer, such as engine operating conditions and work

 3  output, is provided to the PEMS computer, along with

 4  emissions data, to calculate the NTE emission results on a

 5  second-by-second basis.  Shown in this slide, in the upper

 6  right, is a typical installation of a PEMS unit.

 7                            --o0o--

 8           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  The proposed

 9  program would require engine manufacturers to use PEMS to

10  conduct in-use testing of heavy-duty diesel vehicles over

11  the road.  The use of PEMS for over-the-road realtime

12  emission measurement has been under development for the

13  past decade.  Testing conducted in the past few years has

14  shown that PEMS technologies have performed well and

15  accurately in measuring gaseous emissions from heavy-duty

16  diesel vehicles under different driving conditions.  PEMS

17  emission analyzers used for measuring gaseous pollutants

18  use the same technologies used in larger laboratory

19  instruments for the same measurements.

20           One of the advantages of using PEMS is that the

21  system can be mounted and taken down off a truck very

22  easily without interrupting vehicle operation.  Once a

23  PEMS is mounted on a vehicle properly, it can collect and

24  analyze data for many hours on its own without requiring

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 1           The most important advantage of PEMS is the

 2  ability to perform in-use compliance testing without the

 3  need to remove the engine from the vehicle.

 4                            --o0o--

 5           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  The proposed

 6  program is a cooperative effort between ARB, U.S. EPA, and

 7  the engine manufacturers that began in 2001.  The program

 8  is similar to the previously mentioned light-duty CAP 2000

 9  program in that the manufacturers will be performing

10  routine testing of their engine families annually.  In

11  June 2005, the U.S. EPA adopted its heavy-duty in-use

12  testing program.  Staff's proposed program is essentially

13  identical to the U.S. EPA's program.

14                            --o0o--

15           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  The proposed

16  regulation would require manufacturers to implement an

17  in-use compliance program for heavy-duty diesel engines

18  based on an agreement among ARB, U.S. EPA, and the engine

19  manufacturers in May 2003.  In the proposed program, the

20  engine manufacturers would be responsible for procuring

21  and testing heavy-duty diesel vehicles for compliance

22  determination.  As mentioned, portable emission

23  measurement systems would be utilized to conduct the

24  over-the-road testing to assess NTE compliance of 2007 and

25  newer heavy-duty diesel engines in use.


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 1                            --o0o--

 2           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  The proposed

 3  program is unique in that it would be the first of its

 4  kind to require compliance with emission requirements

 5  outside of a test laboratory environment.  Because it is

 6  unique, the ARB, U.S. EPA, and the engine manufacturers

 7  have launched a non-enforceable pilot program in calendar

 8  years 2005 and 2006 to gain experience with in-use testing

 9  utilizing PEMS.  The pilot program will measure gaseous

10  emissions, namely, non-methane hydrocarbon, carbon

11  monoxide, and oxides of nitrogen, and will prepare the

12  manufacturers as well as U.S. EPA and ARB for the fully

13  enforceable program starting in 2007.  Similarly, a pilot

14  program for PM emissions will take place in 2006 and 2007,

15  preceding a fully enforceable program for PM starting in

16  2008.

17           The success of the proposed program depends on

18  ensuring that the PEMS can correctly measure the exhaust

19  emissions from heavy-duty diesel vehicles in the field

20  rather than in a controlled laboratory environment.

21  Because of this, ARB, U.S. EPA, and the engine

22  manufacturers have agreed to determine a measurement

23  accuracy margin for each pollutant to account for any

24  potential difference in measurement accuracy.  The

25  accuracy margins are currently being determined by an


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 1  independent contractor, Southwest Research Institute.

 2           In addition, the proposed program helps fulfill

 3  one of the measures in the 2003 State Implementation Plan.

 4                            --o0o--

 5           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  Each year, ARB

 6  and U.S. EPA would designate for testing up to 25 percent

 7  of a manufacturer's total number of heavy-duty diesel

 8  engine families.  Testing would be conducted under

 9  real-world driving conditions within the engine's useful

10  life.

11           Emissions that would be measured for NTE

12  compliance are oxides of nitrogen, non-methane

13  hydrocarbon, carbon monoxide, and particulate matter.

14  Measuring carbon dioxide and oxygen would also be required

15  as a means of verifying fuel consumption and work output

16  of the engine.

17           These data will be compared to the NTE threshold

18  limit for each pollutant.

19           The proposed compliance program would be

20  conducted in two phases.

21                            --o0o--

22           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  The first phase

23  of testing, Phase 1, is intended to screen a designated

24  engine family for conformity with the applicable NTE

25  emission limits.  The vehicle will be tested in its normal


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 1  daily operation on its scheduled route with the regular

 2  driver operating the vehicle.

 3           Under Phase 1, the manufacturer would test a

 4  minimum of five and a maximum of ten vehicles per engine

 5  family during normal over-the-road vehicle operation.

 6  Test results of the vehicles will be evaluated against

 7  vehicle pass criteria.  If a specified number of vehicles

 8  failed the vehicle pass criteria, the manufacturers may be

 9  asked to initiate Phase 2 testing.

10                            --o0o--

11           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  The primary

12  purpose of Phase 2 testing is to gain further information

13  regarding the extent to which, and under what conditions,

14  the vehicles from the designated engine family failed to

15  pass the vehicle pass criteria during Phase 1 testing.

16  ARB could specify certain driving routes or other driving

17  conditions, namely, temperatures, altitude, geographic

18  location, or time of the year, if it is suspected that

19  these conditions are associated with non-compliance.

20           If the manufacturer is required to conduct Phase

21  2 testing, ten additional vehicles would be selected from

22  that engine family.  ARB could require a subclass of

23  engines within the engine family, if the data generated

24  under Phase 1 or other test data indicate possible

25  non-compliance with the emission standards from that


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 1  subclass of engines.

 2           Data from both Phase 1 and Phase 2 will be used

 3  to determine engine family compliance, and possible

 4  remedial action, along with other test data or information

 5  provided by the manufacturer or obtained by ARB or U.S.

 6  EPA testing.

 7                            --o0o--

 8           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  The proposed

 9  regulation would affect about 13 medium- and heavy-duty

10  engine manufacturers who certify their engines for sale in

11  California.  None of the engine manufacturers is located

12  in California and none is considered to be a small

13  business.  The total cost to conduct the proposed program

14  nationwide is estimated to range from 1.6 to $2.1 million

15  per year for the 13 manufacturers combined.  These costs

16  consist of fixed and variable cost components and may vary

17  from manufacturer to manufacturer.  The actual cost to a

18  specific manufacturer will vary depending on how many

19  engine families are certified each year, how many vehicles

20  are tested in Phase 1 for a given engine family, and

21  whether Phase 2 testing occurs for a given engine family.

22           The proposed regulation poses no additional costs

23  to engine manufacturers since the manufacturers are

24  already subjected to an identical rule adopted by U.S. EPA

25  in June, 2005.


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 1                            --o0o--

 2           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  By enforcing

 3  emission requirements adopted for 2007 and newer

 4  heavy-duty diesel engines, the proposed regulation would

 5  ensure that the original emission benefits claimed through

 6  the adoption of the lower emission standards are obtained.

 7  The proposed regulation would ensure that violations of

 8  the emission requirements within the regulatory useful

 9  life of the engine would be detected and fixed.  The

10  proposed program would potentially cover all engine models

11  within a four year period.

12                            --o0o--

13           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  The proposed

14  program would encourage manufacturers to design more

15  robust and durable engines and emission control systems in

16  order to avoid failing in-use compliance testing and

17  conducting potentially costly recalls or extending

18  emission parts warranties.  The large amount of in-use

19  test data that would be generated by the proposed program

20  may help the manufacturers to develop better deterioration

21  factors for their engines in the future.

22           Also, ARB will likely use these data in the

23  future to develop better emission factors that can be used

24  for both emissions inventory development and air quality

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 1                            --o0o--

 2           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  There are

 3  fundamental differences when the exhaust emission

 4  measurements are made with stationary analyzers in a

 5  controlled laboratory environment compared to emission

 6  measurements done with the portable emission analyzers in

 7  an uncontrolled open environment, subjected to variable

 8  temperatures and humidity, road vibration and other

 9  conditions.

10           To account for these factors, as previously

11  mentioned, in May 2005, ARB, U.S. EPA, and the engine

12  manufacturers agreed to jointly fund and develop a

13  research, development, and demonstration project to

14  determine emission measurement accuracy margin for gaseous

15  and PM emissions.  Currently the development of the

16  gaseous emission measurement accuracy margin determination

17  is underway.  The final report is expected to be completed

18  by January 2007.  The gaseous enforcement program is

19  expected to begin in December of 2007.  The development of

20  the particulate matter measurement accuracy margin is

21  expected to start in late 2006, with a final report

22  expected to be completed by early 2008.  The particulate

23  matter enforcement program is expected to begin in

24  December 2008.

25                            --o0o--


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 1           AIR RESOURCES ENGINEER BISHNU:  In summary,

 2  staff's proposed compliance program would require the use

 3  of commercially available PEMS, significantly reducing

 4  testing time and cost of testing heavy-duty diesel

 5  engines.

 6           The proposed requirements would result in a cost

 7  savings to the engine manufacturers by aligning California

 8  and the federal compliance programs, resulting in testing

 9  fewer engines than would otherwise be required if two

10  separate compliance programs were in place.

11           The proposed testing program would generate a

12  vast amount of in-use test data that could be used

13  effectively by both the manufacturers and ARB.  The

14  manufacturers would be able to evaluate the performance of

15  their engines and emission control systems under

16  real-world operating conditions and use.  The test data

17  could be used to create cleaner and more durable engine

18  designs.

19           ARB also would be able to use the in-use test

20  data to develop emission factors for emissions inventory

21  and air quality modeling.

22           Staff therefore that the Board adopt the proposed

23  manufacturer-run in-use compliance regulation.

24           Thank you.  This concludes my presentation.

25           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.


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 1           EMISSION RESEARCH AND REGULATION DEVELOPMENT

 2  BRANCH CHIEF CARTER:  And if I could, Dr. Sawyer, one

 3  comment.

 4           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Yes.

 5           EMISSION RESEARCH AND REGULATION DEVELOPMENT

 6  BRANCH CHIEF CARTER:  Tom Jennings would like to make a

 7  brief statement about a recent 15-day -- Michael Carter --

 8  sorry -- about a 15-day change we have.

 9           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Mr. Jennings.

10           ACTING GENERAL COUNSEL JENNINGS:  Yes.  A very

11  minor and tangential element of this rule making as

12  described in the staff report gives flexibility to

13  manufacturers in designing their emission labels with

14  executive officer approval.  This tracks -- under

15  heavy-duty auto cycle test procedures, this tracks

16  language the EPA adopted.  Staff had intended but

17  neglected to include that in the heavy-duty diesel cycle

18  test procedures.  So the 15-day modification would simply

19  do that.  And we'd ask that the resolution be treated as

20  modified to reflect this modification.

21           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

22           Ms. Ferreira, would you provide the Ombudsman's

23  statement please.

24           ACTING OMBUDSMAN FERREIRA:  Yes.  Dr. Sawyer and

25  members of the Board.  ARB staff, U.S. EPA, and the Engine


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 1  Manufacturers Association began a collaborative effort

 2  more than five years ago to develop this rule.  Since that

 3  time staff has had more than 100 meetings.  While they did

 4  not conduct any workshops, U.S. EPA held a workshop in

 5  2004, where they adopted a similar regulation in 2005.

 6           The staff report was released for public comment

 7  on August 11, 2006.  It was noticed by hard copy to nearly

 8  500 stakeholders and through the website to more than 1800

 9  stakeholders.

10           This concludes my comments.

11           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you very much.

12           Do any of the Board members have comments?

13           I do.

14           I'm delighted to see the progress that's been

15  made in this area.  The bringing together of real in-use

16  emissions with regulation and compliance is exactly what

17  we need to ensure that the emissions which we think we're

18  getting from our regulations are really occurring in the

19  vehicles over their lifetimes.

20           And it's because the people at the EPA and at the

21  Air Resources Board have worked hard with the industry to

22  get this technology available.  And the fact that it's

23  ready for prime time use now brings joy to the heart of an

24  engineer.

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 1           Couldn't resist saying that.

 2           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  We have two witnesses who

 3  would like to make statements:  Chung Liu and Lisa

 4  Stregink.

 5           Dr. Liu.

 6           DR. LIU:  Professor Sawyer, members of the Board.

 7  My name is Chung Liu.  I'm with the South Coast Air

 8  Quality Management District.  We share the same feeling

 9  about this is an essential piece.

10           As many of you know, that the South Coast

11  District doesn't feel that the past practice of using

12  certification -- engine certification tests is adequate to

13  really ensure the emission reduction is actually there.

14  As a matter of fact, the reason the few studies conducted

15  by Coordinated Research Council, co-sponsored by ARB and

16  South Coast District, actually indicate there are some

17  problems just relying only on emission certification

18  tests.  The in-use emission data is really important to

19  ensure that actual emission benefits will be realized.

20           Say all those and realize this is a joint efforts

21  among EPA, ARB, and EMA.  And what kind of bother us a bit

22  is this program also has a terms manufacturer run in-use

23  emission compliance test program.

24           The track record of this industry on emission

25  compliance is questionable, especially looking at the


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 1  situation for engine between '94 and '98.  They really

 2  have cheated.

 3           But we think this program is going to really

 4  help.  We're coming here to support this program, but we

 5  want to provide some suggestions.

 6           First, the engine family will be joint selected

 7  by EPA and ARB.  But exact trucks going to be

 8  selected -- to be used for this testing will be selected

 9  by engine manufacturers.  So we just want to really

10  encourage ARB using your authority oversight to make sure

11  representative sample of trucks will be used for testing.

12           Second point.  The South Coast have a very

13  positive -- towards using remote sensing technology to

14  really detect high meters.  That's the reason the EPA

15  study in Nogales, Arizona, detecting trucks crossing the

16  borders and showed very good correlation between the

17  remote sensing devices and also the PEMS using these

18  programs.  So I want to encourage the ARB to consider that

19  on the long run that remote sensing technology been

20  improving and use in compliance and test.

21           Lastly, that we really want to recommend to ARB

22  to test vehicles that incorporate some of the engines that

23  we know have some defect, that we know some

24  software/hardware problems; that in your "not to exceed"

25  zone, that you really have things of experiences that you


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 1  can really identify if there's major defect in functions,

 2  so we can further avoid anything like the change in

 3  software that happened last decades.  I'm pretty sure ARB

 4  staff, and which I share also, OBD devices really helped

 5  greatly eliminate the possibility for that repeat again.

 6  But I just want to say that when you're doing testing,

 7  maybe you should really run some of the tests on some

 8  defunct engines and gain some experiences so we can easily

 9  identify any defects in the future.

10           Thanks.

11           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you very much.

12           Does staff have any comments?

13           EMISSION RESEARCH AND REGULATION DEVELOPMENT

14  BRANCH CHIEF CARTER:  I'll comment on the first point

15  about -- Dr. Liu was concerned about the vehicles that the

16  manufacturers get in and he's concerned that the engine

17  manufacturers may choose and pick or cherry-pick which

18  engines or which trucks to test.

19           Perhaps Dr. Liu is concerned because in the staff

20  report it talks about how the manufacturers will screen

21  and procure a test.  Well, the screening part may be a

22  little misleading, because they can't just cherry-pick the

23  vehicles.  There's a very specific guidance document that

24  EPA and we and the engine manufacturers agree to that

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 1  can be selected, how they can be screened, how they can or

 2  cannot reject vehicles from the program.  And so there's a

 3  lot of checks in place to make sure nothing funny happens.

 4           On top of that, if we do suspect there are some

 5  funny things happening, the ARB has the right to do our

 6  own confirmatory testing and make sure everything is going

 7  as it should go.

 8           Plus we can even go out to where the

 9  manufacturers are doing the testing and inspect it as

10  well.

11           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Do we have a program of

12  doing similar work on older heavy-duty vehicles -- PEMS

13  testing?

14           ON-ROAD HEAVY-DUTY DIESEL SECTION MANAGER

15  LEMIEUX:  This program is designed for 2007 and newer

16  engines.

17           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Yes.

18           ON-ROAD HEAVY-DUTY DIESEL SECTION MANAGER

19  LEMIEUX:  And a big part of the problem with that is the

20  range of the analyzers and things with the technology that

21  if you put it on older vehicles, it may foul up the

22  technology and -- however, we could use other instruments

23  similar to that to look at overall compliance.  But for

24  the older technologies we would have to revert back to the

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 1  earlier, was to rip an engine out of a vehicle and put it

 2  on an engine dynamometer and test it, and which is pretty

 3  costly and expensive.  So we pretty much have to be sure

 4  that if the older engine family is failing, for us to go

 5  and spend that kind of money and do that type of testing.

 6           CHIEF DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER CACKETTE:  We have

 7  done -- I'm not sure if we've done a PEMS emission

 8  measurement on a truck.  But we have been collecting data

 9  on truck usage using on-truck instrumentation.  So, you

10  know, when this gets proven out, if it works well enough

11  and -- which I think it will -- and the measurement

12  capability fits the higher emitting older trucks, we could

13  do that kind of testing.

14           MOBILE SOURCE CONTROL DIVISION CHIEF CROSS:  I

15  guess we all had a nickel here.

16           I guess I would add that I share Chung's concerns

17  about making sure that all of this is done properly and

18  that we make sure that the heavy-duty manufacturers are in

19  fact complying.  And I think that one of the neat things

20  about the PEMS is it does give us the power to do our own

21  double checking without having to pull engines out.  So

22  there's a way that we can on our own make sure that all

23  this is going all right, and we plan on doing it.

24           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

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 1  defects that he was suggesting we put in there, I think if

 2  we do that it will be in conjunction with the heavy-duty

 3  OBD program, because we're doing that on light-duty

 4  vehicles now.  We put defects in there and we see whether

 5  the lights come on.  So there will be some of that kind of

 6  testing going on with heavy duty, although probably more

 7  limited because of the higher cost of, you know, trying to

 8  procure heavy-duty trucks.

 9           And on RSD, just his other point, that may be

10  possible, but the NTE requirement is a 30-second time

11  average.  And so it would be a little hard to have a

12  traditional RSD that's beside the road that would be able

13  to measure emissions for a truck for 30 seconds.  The

14  truck would be long gone, I think, by that time.

15           And as we've seen for compliance purposes at

16  least, we have -- there's a lot of issues, like the

17  accuracy measurements, that we'd end up spending over a

18  million dollars just to determine how accurate they are.

19           So if new technology comes along, that's great.

20  But I think It'd have to show a substantial advantage over

21  the ones that we're pursuing right now.

22           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

23           Lisa Stegink please.

24           MS. STEGINK:  Good afternoon again.  I'm Lisa

25  Stegink here on behalf of the Engine Manufacturers


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 1  Association.

 2           Due to the significant and unprecedented

 3  challenges that engine manufacturers will face in

 4  implementing the proposed in-use program, it is vital that

 5  the program be administered on a uniform and nationwide

 6  basis without any unique or special provisions for

 7  particular jurisdictions, including California.

 8           To that end, the engine manufacturers, EPA, and

 9  ARB jointly developed the blueprint for implementing a

10  manufacturer-run in-use test program and a formal

11  agreement which, together, specifically include a

12  commitment by the parties to a single coordinated program.

13  ARB has honored the letter and spirit of the agreements in

14  submitting the proposed heavy-duty in-use testing rule for

15  Board approval.

16           Because the ARB's proposed rule is essentially

17  identical to the EPA rule, EMA and its members support the

18  adoption of the proposed rule.  Adopting the rule will

19  complete the implementation of the agreements and will

20  establish a viable, groundbreaking, manufacturer-run

21  in-use NTE testing program that will ensure the real-world

22  emission benefits of advanced diesel engines and exhaust

23  after-treatment systems.  All of this in turn will

24  continue to facilitate the deployment, validation and

25  expansion of clean diesel technologies.


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 1           EMA appreciates the opportunity to present

 2  testimony on the proposed rule.  The in-use NTE testing

 3  program represents a fundamental and groundbreaking

 4  paradigm shift in the regulation and control of emissions

 5  from heavy-duty vehicles and engines.  Accordingly,

 6  continuing cooperation among ARB, EPA, and engine

 7  manufacturers will be necessary to accomplish that change

 8  in paradigm.

 9           For its part, and recognizing that many

10  significant challenges still lie ahead, EMA looks forward

11  to an ongoing collaborative effort with ARB and EPA to

12  ensure that the negotiated in-use NTE testing program is

13  implemented in a feasible, cost effective, and highly

14  successful manner.

15           Thank you.

16           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

17           Will the manufacturers constrain the fuels that

18  are used in the vehicles as part of the test?

19           MS. STEGINK:  Maybe Mike should answer that.

20           EMISSION RESEARCH AND REGULATION DEVELOPMENT

21  BRANCH CHIEF CARTER:  Yeah, I'll get that one.

22           That also was discussed at great length in our

23  negotiations over the past several years.

24           The manufacturers do have the option.  They can

25  actually drain the tank and refill it, but only with


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 1  commercially available diesel fuel.  They can't put

 2  additives in if the manufacturer didn't from the beginning

 3  authorize those additives.  Basically whatever's

 4  commercially available they can use.

 5           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Okay.  Thank you.

 6           Do any of the Board members have questions on

 7  this topic?

 8           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Congratulations.

 9           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  You want to continue it

10  for a month?

11           (Laughter.)

12           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  I will now close the record

13  on this agenda item.  However, the record will be reopened

14  when the 15-day notice of public availability is issued.

15  Written or oral comments received after this hearing date

16  but before the 15-day notice is issued will not be

17  accepted as part of the official record on this agenda

18  item.  When the record is reopened for a 15-day comment

19  period, the public may submit written comments on the

20  proposed changes, which will be considered and responded

21  to in the final statement of reasons for the regulation.

22           Our ex parte statements.

23           Mark?

24           No.

25           No.


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 1           No.

 2           We feel neglected, I think.

 3           (Laughter.)

 4           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Not really.

 5           (Laughter.)

 6           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Mr. Chairman, I just might

 7  say that staff had briefed me, and I'm just so pleased

 8  with the report.  Unlike you, the engineer, I'm just

 9  excited that we've harmonized with EPA.  Because I think

10  it makes it so much easier for those who have to comply

11  with these standards, so that the same tests are

12  applicable for the different jurisdictions.  And I just

13  think that's an incredible achievement.

14           And with that, Mr. Chairman, I'd be happy to move

15  the staff recommendations and acknowledge the amendment

16  that was made.

17           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  A second?

18           BOARD MEMBER BERG:  Second.

19           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  All in favor, aye.

20           (Ayes.)

21           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Opposed?

22           The motion is carried.

23           We now move to another item on our agenda which

24  we don't always have and, that is, comments from Board

25  members and from the public.  And we're going to have both


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 1  of those today.

 2           Before we do that, I would like to acknowledge a

 3  very special person, that is, Holly Edwards.  She is -- I

 4  don't -- when I first arrived here I wasn't quite certain

 5  why things worked so smoothly.  But then I realized that

 6  she's a combination of stage manager and master sergeant

 7  when it comes to running this operation.

 8           And we're going to be losing her for two years.

 9  And the good news is that it's only two years.  But we

10  will certainly miss you during that period of time.  Her

11  national guard unit has been called up, and she will be

12  serving her country.  And we're proud of you.  And we look

13  forward to seeing you back.

14           (Applause.)

15           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  Mr. Chairman, if I might.

16  As an interim chairman for almost a year, I can tell you

17  she is superb at organizing and keeping us all kind of

18  focused in the same direction, trying to keep us on time,

19  which is very difficult sometimes with this group.  And I

20  just have to say that the U.S. Government's very fortunate

21  to have you.  And hopefully you can keep them all

22  organized over there and come back and teach us all about

23  what you learned in two years.  We'll miss you.

24           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  All right.  We will now take

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 1           I would remind you that this is an opportunity

 2  for a Board member to bring items of interest to the

 3  Board.  We will not be taking action on these items at

 4  this time.

 5           Mayor Loveridge.

 6           BOARD MEMBER LOVERIDGE:  Thank you.

 7           This is an item I'd like to raise for, as the

 8  language of the agenda says, for notice for future

 9  consideration at a Board meeting.  And this is really a

10  concept of a plug-in California initiative.

11           And let me, if I can, read the context.  But it

12  really comes out of at least a year or more sort of

13  reading articles, talking to different experts, and

14  thinking it is time that this particular technology bridge

15  receive state attention.

16           Plug-in hybrid electrical vehicles are an

17  exciting emerging technology because they offer the

18  potential for zero emission miles, reduced greenhouse gas

19  emissions and improved energy diversity.

20           There has been a tremendous support for plug-in

21  hybrids recently:

22           The three major auto manufacturers, GM, Toyota,

23  DaimlerChrysler are actively pursuing the

24  commercialization of plug-in hybrid technology.

25           President Bush has directed specific activities


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 1  to speed up plug-in hybrid research.

 2           The City of Austin has what they call Plug-In

 3  Partners, a national campaign which has investor utilities

 4  and municipal utilities signed up across the country.

 5           The State of New York has announced a $10 million

 6  program to convert all state vehicles to plug-ins.

 7           And the South Coast District has hosted two

 8  meetings to examine the plug-in technology.

 9           All of these activities have drawn the interest

10  and attention of the media.  It's clear there is popular

11  interest in these vehicles.  But to drive this technology,

12  battery improvements that are required, we need to give a

13  concerted effort rather than what I think has been sort of

14  small pockets of activity.  And I would suggest this

15  effort be at the state level so we can put the weight of

16  all state agencies behind it.

17           Let me give at least examples of direction, is

18  request that the CARB staff work with appropriate

19  stakeholders, including the Governor's office, State

20  Legislature, auto manufacturers, battery technology

21  entities, state agencies such as the CPUC, CEC and DGS,

22  Plug-In Partners, electric utilities, environmental

23  groups, and the CAPCOA members to establish a Plug-In

24  California initiative that may do the following:

25           1.  Establish a state commitment to purchase


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 1  plug-in hybrid electrical vehicles when they are

 2  commercially available for all the state agency fleets.

 3           2.  Establish reduced electric rates to charge

 4  these vehicles.

 5           3.  Establish incentive mechanisms for the auto

 6  manufacturers by providing either additional ZEV credits

 7  or reduced greenhouse gas credits for the number of

 8  plug-in hybrids they produce.

 9           4.  Provide customer incentives to buy-down the

10  vehicle's initial higher cost as well as giving HOV lane

11  access to high fuel economy and higher electric range

12  plug-ins.

13           5.  Establish a favorable environment for plug-in

14  hybrid associated businesses here in California.  And

15           6.  Dedicate at least $5 million of the 25

16  million CARB received through the AB 1811 toward the

17  research, development and demonstration of plug-in

18  hybrids, and leverage these funds to the extent possible

19  with other activities being conducted by the U.S.

20  Department of Energy, auto manufacturers, battery

21  technology firms, Plug-In Partners, and the South Coast

22  Air Quality Management District.

23           I would offer this as an idea for future Board

24  consideration.

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 1  to --

 2           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Yes, Mrs. Riordan.

 3           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  -- just respond, because I

 4  had the good fortune to attend the ZEV technology

 5  symposium, as our Chairman did.  And first let me

 6  compliment the staff, some of whom are probably here now

 7  and hopefully some who -- you'll convey my appreciation.

 8  This room, Mayor Loveridge, was almost filled for three

 9  days.

10           And a lot of the discussion -- there were

11  sessions and there was a plug-in session.  And I think

12  staff is going to bring back to us a report on that

13  symposium.  And so maybe this could follow along after the

14  Board has heard about what we discovered.  We basically

15  were listening to private enterprise speaking at the

16  symposium.  And it's pretty incredible what I was able to

17  discern about the technology and the advancements and the

18  real interest in making this a part of a bigger program

19  towards zero emission vehicles.  And so I think this could

20  fold in to that discussion.

21           And I just wish, Mayor Loveridge, you'd been

22  there, because you would have been very excited and would

23  understand that a lot of great things are happening,

24  thanks to the private sector, supported of course by all

25  of us who are concerned about air pollution in California.


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 1  But the private sector is really moving forward.  I don't

 2  know, Mr. Chairman, if you'd like to comment.  You

 3  attended probably more than I did of the sessions.  But I

 4  was very impressed.  And I was particularly impressed with

 5  the plug-in effort, because I did sit through that.

 6           Thank you.

 7           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Ms. D'Adamo.

 8           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  Well, I'd like to

 9  compliment Mayor Loveridge in putting this together and

10  say that we could have used you a few years ago, because

11  we were really pushing for when ZEV review was before us

12  last.  Which is almost a bad word, ZEV review, to even

13  have to think about that.  But many of us were pushing for

14  some additional incentives for plug-in hybrids.  I think

15  that we've got them in there.  But I think that more can

16  be done, and I look forward to working with you on this,

17  and just really want to compliment you for putting this

18  together.

19           Thank you.

20           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  I would add that it's pretty

21  clear from the ZEV symposium that the battery technology

22  is advancing -- has advanced and it is advancing and makes

23  all of these technologies, pure battery electrics, the

24  plug-in hybrids, the ordinary hybrids, all much closer to

25  reality in a big way.


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 1           BOARD MEMBER DeSAULNIER:  Mr. Chairman, I'd just

 2  like to congratulate Ron too.  And for those who make

 3  documentary films, maybe it's -- as Mark Twain said about

 4  his death -- supposed death, maybe the death of the

 5  electric car is vastly exaggerated.

 6           (Laughter.)

 7           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Okay.  Our next item are --

 8  there's a comment period --

 9           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Dr. Sawyer, I

10  just wanted to thank Mayor Loveridge as well.  We think

11  it's an exciting technology.  And to bring to the Board's

12  attention several events going on that will bring the

13  issue of plug-in hybrids back before you.

14           As Ms. Riordan indicated, we will report to you

15  on the outcome of the symposium in short order.  We also

16  will have a report from our independent technical review

17  panel early next year on their conclusions about how all

18  the technologies are developing, which will frame the

19  policy discussion on what, if anything, should change in

20  the LEV/ZEV reg.  And we expect you to give us directions

21  at that time about whether to work on real changes or not.

22           Next month we will be before you with the $25

23  million that was given to us in this year's budget to

24  facilitate the development of alternative fuels.  And we

25  have tentatively proposed that at least 5 million of that


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 1  go to plug-in hybrids.  We have to work with the Energy

 2  Commission and have their buy-off on the general spending

 3  proposal.  And the climate action team has expressed

 4  interest also in reviewing what it is we're talking about.

 5  But plug-ins I expect to survive.

 6           And then, lastly, the ARB and the Energy

 7  Commission are working on a major report about alternative

 8  fuels, within which we include electricity.  And that

 9  report will be done by next June and cover the waterfront

10  on all the possibilities for, you know, moving away from

11  near complete reliance on petroleum.  So that will be back

12  before, you know, late summer -- early summer, I mean,

13  next year.

14           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  Just would like to see if

15  staff can -- there are some good suggestions in here.  And

16  it sounds like with these various opportunities, the

17  suggestions might fit in here and there, although not in

18  all of the opportunities that are coming before us.  So if

19  staff could get back to us as to -- there might be

20  something in here that doesn't quite pigeonhole just right

21  but still might be a good suggestion.

22           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Sure.

23           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Okay.  We will now move to

24  the open comment period from the public.

25           I would comment that it's a bit unusual for us to


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 1  have so many public comments at one time.  I thank you for

 2  your patience, waiting until the end of the day to bring

 3  to us your concerns.

 4           I have met with at least one of the individuals

 5  who will be talking today.  Basically the problem has to

 6  do with auxiliary engines on concrete pumpers, a rather

 7  specialized issue but one which is very important to the

 8  people who have come to talk to us.

 9           I have 13 people who would like to talk.  I think

10  that we will just continue our usual policy of a

11  three-minute presentation.  And for those of you who have

12  brought written testimony as well, I thank you for that.

13           So we will start with William Davis, Amber

14  Parsons, and Hank de Carbonel.

15           Would William Davis please begin.

16           MR. DAVIS:  A long walk from back there.

17           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Why don't you all move up.

18  This is the last item of the day.  You might as well come

19  up front.  It's my school teacher background which tells

20  me that sitting in the front row is a good idea.

21           MR. DAVIS:  Well, we're all either sinners or

22  contractors back there, or maybe both.

23           Dr. Sawyer and members of the Board, Ms.

24  Witherspoon and all the staff people.  My name's Bill

25  Davis.  I work with a pretty wide variety of construction


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 1  industry organizations:  The Southern California

 2  Contractors Association, the Engineering and Utility

 3  Contractors Association, the Mobile Crane Operators Group,

 4  the Construction Industry Air Quality Coalition, and the

 5  American Concrete Pumping Association.

 6           And I have two items actually.  And I don't want

 7  to take up any time unnecessarily, but I also have a

 8  letter from the folks at the Construction Industry Air

 9  Quality Coalition addressed to you.  I can read it if you

10  want it entered in the record, or simply hand it up.

11           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  We'll put it in the record

12  in written form.

13           MR. DAVIS:  All right.  Great.

14           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

15           MR. DAVIS:  The reason that I think almost

16  everyone is here -- oh, and I wanted to acknowledge -- I

17  see my friend, J.T., is here from Nabor in Bakersfield.

18  And J.T. is a company -- his company has done a superior

19  job, a vastly superior job to almost the entire

20  construction industry in complying with the requirements

21  of the Portable Engine Registration Program.  And his

22  company's to be commended for that and used as an example

23  for the rest of us.

24           It is our position that the Air Resources Board

25  should and must open to all owners of existing


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 1  construction -- or existing portable equipment the

 2  opportunity to register that equipment, not as an amnesty

 3  but as a regular and permanent part of the program for the

 4  following reasons:

 5           First, ARB has failed in its duty to properly

 6  notify the affected industry.  The Air Resource Board

 7  staff has by its own admission attempted to reach less

 8  than 10 percent of the California construction industry in

 9  its effort on the PERP.  This is no mere claim, but it is

10  backed up by the following facts:

11           Every five years the U.S. Census Bureau conducts

12  an economic census of the construction industry.  In the

13  last such count, taken in 2002, the Bureau found 69,023

14  California establishments with employees.  They employed

15  870,334 people.  And, in addition, there were 167,000

16  non-employer establishments in construction:  Mom and

17  pops, owner/operators, small businesses.  Call them what

18  you want.  They're a part of our business.

19           That means there were at least 237,788

20  construction companies operating in California in 2002.

21           ARB staff has said that they mailed 25,000

22  contractors from a list obtained by the Contractors State

23  License Board.  The CSLB mailing list are notoriously

24  inaccurate.  Large numbers, perhaps thousands of those

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 1           In addition to the mailers staff held a bunch of

 2  meetings, sent out e-mail notices via your list serve, and

 3  had some stuff on your website.  The Construction Industry

 4  Air Quality Coalition contributed 1200 names to your

 5  database and 3,000 people expressed interest in receiving

 6  information on the program directly from ARB, perhaps,

 7  hopefully, as a result of the mailer.

 8           In addition to contractors there are many

 9  construction service companies who are not required to

10  possess a contractors license and, thus, would never be

11  contacted by ARB in their mailed outreach.  This group

12  includes people like Amber Parsons, who you'll hear from

13  soon, as well as thousands of other small companies.  You

14  guys do the math:  237,788 construction companies, 1916

15  companies in the PERP as of January 27th of this year.

16           How would you characterize the outreach effort?

17           Second reason:  ARB fails to follow the

18  legislative intent of the PERP program.  Closing the door

19  to registration on existing portable equipment is not in

20  line with the intent of the Legislature, as clearly stated

21  in the preamble to the PERP statute from the Health and

22  Safety Code.  Specifically, Item C, as follows:  A uniform

23  voluntary system of statewide registration and regulation

24  of portable equipment consistent with current state and

25  federal air quality law is necessary to ensure consistent


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 1  and reasonable regulation of that equipment without undue

 2  burden on their owners, operators and manufacturers.

 3           Third, ARB failed to seek or receive a waiver --

 4  has failed to receive a waiver from the Environmental

 5  Protection Agency to regulate most of the engines in this

 6  category.

 7           We can find no evidence that ARB has received a

 8  waiver from the EPA to replace any regulatory controls on

 9  most of the engines that power this equipment.  It's a

10  violation of the federal preemption on these engine

11  classes.  Until ARB receives a waiver to regulate these

12  engines, we believe that the agency must reopen the

13  registration and hold in abeyance any enforcement action

14  other than to warning equipment owners of the registration

15  requirements.

16           And, finally -- and aren't those your favorite

17  words -- finally, ARB failed to certify any low cost

18  alternative for this equipment in an attempt, we believe,

19  to subvert the economic impact requirements of the Tanner

20  Act.  Once a regulation was originally adopted our

21  industry was promised that there would be an ample supply

22  of low cost alternatives to meet the requirements,

23  verified diesel emission control systems, VDECS, which

24  would substantially reduce the financial burden of

25  replacing otherwise serviceable equipment to meet the


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 1  standards set forth in the regulation.  The reality

 2  clearly expressed by ARB staff at the Board's meeting on

 3  June 22nd is that there are no such devices and that the

 4  only alternative is engine repower or equipment

 5  replacement.

 6           In most cases involving portable equipment,

 7  repowers are impossible, which leaves equipment

 8  replacement as the only alternative.

 9           This also means that most small businesses will

10  be forced to severely limit their operations or go out of

11  business altogether.  It's an incredible expense that was

12  not included in the economic impact report on any version

13  of this regulation.

14           We believe ARB did nothing to encourage the

15  development of VDECS, that this always was a program

16  designed to force equipment turnover regardless of cost to

17  the industry, and thus ARB is engaged in willful

18  misstatement of the economic impact.

19           We are seeing the same approach being used in the

20  off-road diesel rule, and believe that this willful

21  disregard of the economic impact to the affected industry

22  is a standard and practice of the Air Resources Board.

23           Be happy to answer any questions.

24           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Do Board members have

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 1           I suggest that, since it's a little bit unusual

 2  and we have so many people, that we listen.  And then we

 3  will ask the Board to respond to us later as -- can we do

 4  that? -- in writing addressing the issues which are

 5  raised.

 6           MR. DAVIS:  Thank you very much.  And our

 7  condolences on being saddled with the greenhouse gas bill.

 8  I can suggest one immediate improvement in reducing CO2.

 9  Keep these meetings shorter.

10           (Laughter.)

11           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Okay.  Amber Parsons.

12           MS. PARSONS:  Hi there.  I'm a bit nervous.

13           In 2004 my husband and I sold our house and

14  poured all of our equity into a small business.  We did

15  not want to half do any anything with this business.  We

16  incorporated, got liability insurance, commercial auto

17  insurance, workmen's comp insurance, and various licenses

18  and permits from the CHP and DMV.

19           We decided that we would only purchase new pumps,

20  as they were less likely to break down, were cleaner

21  machines and had the latest technology.

22           We purchased our first pump, a Transcrete, in

23  2004 and went on to purchase a Putzmeister in 2005 and

24  another new puts Putzmeister in 2006.

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 1  first heard about pollution districts on May 25th, 2006,

 2  when we were given a notice of violation for not having a

 3  permit to operate our portable equipment.

 4           After spending more than a week wading through

 5  the information, I discovered that it was more economical

 6  to register with the state.  I sent my application off

 7  less than two weeks later.

 8           Much to my dismay I learned in August of this

 9  year from the ARB that two of our brand new pumps could

10  not be registered.  Both the 2004 and 2005 pumps contained

11  2003 Tier 1 engines.  As such, they were not eligible for

12  registration in the Portable Equipment Registration

13  Program.

14           Some claim that the solution to my problem is to

15  enter into a stipulated agreement with the individual

16  pollution districts.  However, this would require me to

17  pay $600 per pump per county.  We pump regularly in three

18  counties and periodically in six.  Registration would cost

19  me $3600 per pump.  Furthermore, if I enter into the

20  stipulated agreement, I promise to bring my engines into

21  compliance by 2009.  If registration is not reopened,

22  bringing it into compliance will mean replacing the

23  engine.  A $20,000 loan, which would cover the cost of two

24  engines in two of our pumps, will cost my company $465

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 1  expecting our business to be loan free and become

 2  profitable, we will be forced further into debt.

 3           On the other hand, if registration at the ARB is

 4  reopened, we will be able to pay one-tenth of that cost

 5  for registration and not be forced to make a decision

 6  about replacing the engine for many years.

 7           On multiple occasions I have heard the term

 8  "scoff laws" being thrown around in relation to people

 9  like me in my situation.  I am greatly offended at the

10  thought that some think that I have intentionally avoided

11  complying with the law.  If it were my company's position

12  to regularly disobey the laws of this state, we would not

13  pay almost $20,000 a year in various insurance, permits

14  and license fees.

15           Furthermore, I take great offense at the idea

16  that I am a scoff law for one simple fact:  Both the Air

17  Resources Board and the pollution districts have failed

18  miserably in their efforts to notify my industry about the

19  permit requirements.  I feel that the pollution districts

20  have openly scoffed at their responsibility to inform the

21  people who will be most affected by this legislation.

22           Why would manufacturers of the equipment not be

23  notified?  Why would dealers selling the equipment,

24  especially used equipment with older tier engines, not be

25  notified?  What responsibility does the Board hold for not


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 1  getting the word out to the most logical group, the people

 2  who make and sell the machines?  And if we agree that

 3  communication broke down along the line somewhere, are

 4  small business owners like myself going to be the ones to

 5  pay the price?  Or will the ARB and pollution districts

 6  realize their error and, no matter whose fault it is,

 7  allow registration to be reopened?

 8           I can understand why some cutthroat competitors

 9  would like for registration to be permanently closed to

10  older tier engines.  I understand the selfish reasons they

11  possess and the huge competitive advantage it gives their

12  companies.  However, I don't understand why the ARB is

13  allowing themselves to be dictated to by these few

14  companies.  If the true intention of the ARB is to

15  encourage compliance, then what benefit is derived from

16  closing the registration?  The equipment will still be

17  required to meet all averaging laws in 2013.  It will

18  still be subject to any later requirements for engine

19  replacements and emissions testing.

20           All I am asking is that the Board be reasonable

21  in its decisions.  Is it reasonable to outlaw machines

22  with less than one year of use on them?  Is it reasonable

23  to refuse registration to business owners moving to this

24  state from another state with one or two year old

25  machines?  Is it reasonable to expect that start-up


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 1  businesses --

 2           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  I need to ask you to

 3  conclude please.

 4           MS. PARSONS:  Okay.  Does the ARB want to send a

 5  message that only the richest can afford to be contractors

 6  in this state?  Or is the message much closer to the

 7  legislative intent for which the ARB was created, to

 8  reduce costs and make the registration requirements

 9  reasonable for California contractors?

10           Thank you.

11           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you very much.

12           Hank de Carbonel.  Then we'll have Chris

13  McDonald, Christi Collins, and Mike Cusach.

14           MR. de CARBONEL:  Yeah, my name is Hank de

15  Carbonel.  I've been selling construction equipment in

16  California for over 30 years:  Cranes, drag lines,

17  excavators, but primarily concrete pumps.

18           It seems to me if the purpose of this

19  registration program is to clean the environment, then

20  there should be no reason to not keep registration open at

21  all times.  Because if we're trying to track down engines

22  that may not be documented in compliance with the current

23  rules, we need to know where they are.

24           If you sent out a letter to 25,000 people based

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 1  2,000 companies approximately enrolled in this program

 2  now, representing 28,000 pieces of equipment -- I'm not a

 3  real bright guy, but two into -- that seems to me each

 4  contractor that is in compliance has a number of pieces.

 5  Now, you take the number -- you take that number times

 6  over 200,000 contractors, I think we have a pretty bleak

 7  record of outreach to the industry for the requirements

 8  that you're looking for.

 9           Lead times for these engines, by the way, are six

10  months to a number of years.  And there's no guaranty that

11  the replacement engines will fit inside the engine

12  enclosures or footprints of the existing equipment.

13           So you have reduced -- by this current idea, you

14  have reduced the value of everybody's piece of equipment

15  by at least 15 or 20 percent because it can only now be

16  sold outside the State of California.  And many

17  contractors in other parts of the country are very much

18  aware of this fire sale of equipment that's being forced

19  upon industry in California.

20           In addition to which you have a number of

21  contractors -- CalTrans, cities and counties are having a

22  difficult time getting a number of bids on their projects

23  that they want to move forward with.  And when they do get

24  the bids, the prices are considerably higher.  And that is

25  to cover the cost of these regulations as they come in


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 1  place.  And as the pieces are not registered and can no

 2  longer be documented, those pieces are set aside.  And so

 3  now we have people that would -- operating engineers,

 4  people that would run that equipment are now deprived of a

 5  livelihood because an engine didn't happen to get

 6  documented because people weren't informed in a proper

 7  manner.

 8           So I think that when you have a record of

 9  compliance of less than 8 percent of the equipment -- it's

10  rather a bleak record -- and I don't see why in the world

11  you wouldn't keep the thing open all the time.  You're

12  talking about a minimum of $270 per unit for registration

13  as it is currently.  By anybody's standards, $270 times

14  200,000 starts to be real money.  So it's funded.  If the

15  goal is clean air, then let's go get some clean air.

16  Let's go after the process.  But this is not a process.

17  This is a penalty.  This is just going out bounty hunting.

18  I think it's completely unfair and I think that this rule

19  is nothing but a penalty for the economic health of the

20  State of California and the taxpayers who, after all, are

21  going to have to pay for the increased costs of hospitals,

22  churches, schools, freeways and every other structure

23  because this law has not been thoroughly researched, nor

24  has there been a proper outreach to the industry that it

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 1           Thank you.

 2           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you very much.

 3           Chris McDonald.

 4           MR. McDONALD:  Good afternoon, Dr. Sawyer and the

 5  members of the Board.  I just want to thank you for

 6  letting me speak today.

 7           I own a small pump company in the Bay Area.  And

 8  we had a lady named Heidi Kroll come to our yard maybe a

 9  year ago or a couple of years ago.  And she's a member of

10  the ARB Resources Board, California Environmental

11  Protection Agency.  And she came to our yard, pointed out

12  what we need to do to comply to the ARB.  So we did what

13  she pointed out to comply.

14           But she failed to tell us about our portable

15  engines and anything to do there to register or comply.

16  And when we asked her about it, she says it's not her

17  department.

18           Most of us here aren't here to say that we are

19  disobeying what you guys are doing, we don't want to do

20  what you guys want to say.  I mean we want to do it and

21  we're trying to do it.  Most of us are trying to do what

22  we need to do to get these emissions into compliance.

23           And for them to say we're not doing it, whatever,

24  is not right.  And how do we -- we just want to open up

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 1           And that's all.

 2           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you very much.

 3           Christi Collins.

 4           MS. COLLINS:  Good afternoon.  My name is Christi

 5  Collins and I'm the Executive Director of the American

 6  Concrete Pumping Association.  Our association consists of

 7  concrete pumping companies, manufacturers, distributors,

 8  and affiliates of the industry.

 9           Approximately one-third of our total membership

10  are companies located in the State of California.  They

11  own and operate over 15 percent of the total number of

12  concrete pumps in the United States, Canada and Mexico.

13           Through data supplied by our concrete pumping

14  manufacturers we estimate that there are over 1,000

15  companies which own a total of 5,000 trailer pumps and

16  skid-mounted pumps currently operating in the state of

17  everyday.  These companies are typically small

18  family-owned businesses an employ approximately 7,500

19  people.

20           As you just heard a few minutes ago, Amber

21  Parsons, she would be our poster child for the concrete

22  pumping industry.  This is typical of what type of

23  businesses we're talking about.

24           One week ago the ACPA along with several concrete

25  pump manufacturers and distributors sent out a notice to


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 1  every known owner of a trailer or skid-mounted concrete

 2  pump informing them of the Board's portable engine

 3  registration program and requesting information regarding

 4  their pump's engine registration.

 5           To date -- and this is only from a week -- less

 6  than 1 percent of the 100-plus companies responding knew

 7  of your registration program and had registered their

 8  pumps.  And I have all their information.  They are still

 9  coming in.  I'm still getting e-mails.  And on some of the

10  replies that are coming in, most people are saying, "We

11  just didn't know.  Thank you for informing us.  We had no

12  idea."  And they're also saying, "Now what?  What are we

13  going to do?"

14           I have no answers at this time.

15           The following facts are an eventuality under the

16  current circumstances.  The ARB's current registration

17  stance sets up an unnecessary game of hide and seek with

18  these companies, who under this misguided policy have no

19  incentive to come forward.  Many of them supplied

20  information and asked that their names not be released for

21  fear of being turned in by a competitor or by someone from

22  the ARB.

23           As things stand now, they cannot legally operate

24  their pumps.  If they can't work, they can't pay their

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 1  in the state.  They can't make their payments on the

 2  equipment and will default on their loans, causing

 3  millions of dollars in loss to their bankers and other;

 4  lenders.

 5           They will not be able to sell their concrete

 6  pumps in the State of California.  In most, if not all,

 7  cases they cannot upgrade the engines in their pumps.  But

 8  if they can upgrade, they will have substantial costs in

 9  doing so, and ultimately they will lose their business.

10           We would respectfully submit that the portable

11  engine registration program must be reopened to prevent

12  the loss of over 1,000 California businesses.  By doing so

13  on a permanent and regular basis, ARB would meet the

14  intent of Legislature in establishing the registration

15  program.

16           When in the course of time this equipment is

17  replaced under the other requirements of the portable

18  engine regulation, the Air Resources Board would be able

19  to know that the air quality of the state is being

20  improved.

21           ACPA stands ready to assist the ARB in getting

22  the news about the permanently open registration program

23  to all our members and as many other companies in the

24  industry as we can as part of a cooperative effort to

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 1           Thank you.

 2           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you very much.

 3           Mike Cusach.  And then we'll have Jim Nolan,

 4  David Rudin and Jim Bury.

 5           MR. CUSACH:  Thank you very much for the

 6  opportunity to talk to you today.  My name is Mike Cusach.

 7  I'm Vice President of Operations for Conco Pumping,

 8  located in Concord, California.  We have pumps all over

 9  the State of California.  We're probably the largest pump

10  company in California.  And I'm here today to ask you to

11  reopen the Air Resources portable engine registration.

12           I was fortunate that I was alerted by the Air

13  Resources Board in San Francisco, the Bay Area Resources

14  Board, in December of this year -- of last year, and

15  worked diligently on the 29th and 30th to get the portable

16  equipment that I had registered.  I stayed at work until 7

17  o'clock every night, and virtually mailed the check in on

18  the last day of registration.  And I was not able to

19  contact my colleagues and the concrete pumping industry.

20  Many of them, my competitors, if I would have had the

21  chance, I would have contacted them and let them know this

22  was coming about.  We just didn't know.

23           I'm a former President of the ACPA.  I read a lot

24  of articles.  I think I stay up on what's going on in the

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 1           If the idea is to register the vehicles, closing

 2  registration is not the way to do it.  If you drive a

 3  vehicle, a car down the road, and you didn't register your

 4  vehicle, you get a fine and a ticket, but you're allowed

 5  to register the vehicle.  You don't lose the right to use

 6  it forever.  And that's what's happening if you have a

 7  Tier 1 engine or below.  It's just not fair.

 8           These people, the 700 companies that we're

 9  talking about, or more, they didn't want to break the law.

10  They're not scoffing at the law.  They just didn't know.

11  And they pay their -- they pay DMV taxes every year, they

12  pay personal property taxes every year on their pumps,

13  they pay income tax, employment tax.  Why wouldn't they

14  pay one more tax just to stay in business?  They would do

15  that.

16           I implore you to reopen it and leave it open.

17  And, you know, like I said, these people are not

18  criminals.  They're people that work very hard everyday,

19  very hard.  They drag hoses that weigh 3, 400 pounds up

20  and down hills and just work till they cannot stand up

21  anymore, then take the truck home and work on it at night.

22  So these people work very, very hard.  And to put them out

23  of business is just a shame.

24           Thank you.

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 1           Jim Nolan.

 2           MR. NOLAN:  Thank you for letting us speak.  I'm

 3  President of Interstate Concrete Pumping.

 4           I purchased a company down in Merced about four

 5  years ago, and took all the portable trailer pumps down to

 6  have them all registered at DMV.  When I went down there,

 7  nobody ever advised us to -- that the ARB is -- the

 8  regulations is coming up the first of '06.

 9           And I got caught over in San Francisco and had to

10  fill out a lot of paperwork and I registered everything

11  and sent it into ARB and with a check.  They sent the

12  check back.  And I went to the districts -- the districts

13  over in San Francisco and they says, "We can't do anything

14  until you get the blessings of the state."  And the state

15  says, well -- I'm kind of a little in limbo.  So right now

16  I've got seven machines just parked against a fence.  It

17  looks like Richey Brothers Auction.

18           So I just want to see if you guys would

19  reconsider and open the registration up for people.

20           Thank you.

21           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you very much.

22           David Rudin.

23           MR. BURY:  I'm sorry.  Due to lateness, David

24  Rudin had to leave.  I'm Jim Bury.

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 1           MR. BURY:  Do you want his statement read for the

 2  record?  Or he already turned in a hard copy.

 3           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Yeah, if you could hand it

 4  in, then it will become part of our record.

 5           MR. BURY:  I believe you already have a copy of

 6  it for Dave Rudin.  We'll leave it at that.

 7           Good afternoon, Chairman, members of the Board.

 8  My name is Jim bury.  I'm the engineering manager of

 9  Putzmeister America.  We are one of the manufacturers of

10  concrete pump trucks and trailer units.  I am the only

11  manufacturer here at this point because of the hour that

12  we're running.

13           Well, I'd like to briefly address four points on

14  this issue, if I may.

15           First of all, Putzmeister, along with a lot of

16  the people you've heard here, was not aware of any attempt

17  by the ARB or to staff to contact us with regards to

18  spreading of the word among our customers in California

19  that they need to register any equipment over 50

20  horsepower.

21           Once we became aware of this need, within the

22  last few weeks, we've done so by sending out approximately

23  600 letters to known customers that we serve.  Of those,

24  we are only aware of a couple of them that are aware of

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 1  before the deadline.

 2           Number 2, I would like to emphasize the comments

 3  of the others appearing here before you today, that

 4  Putzmeister's unaware of any means for compliance to the

 5  regulations now required for registration that would not

 6  involve complete overhaul or total replacement of the

 7  machine.  The engines are just too big.  They will not fit

 8  in the equipment.  The equipment is purposely designed

 9  around the engine.  And if you change it, you need to

10  change everything else.  You're talking about a complete

11  unit.

12           Number 3, Putzmeister supports the assertion that

13  the refusal of the ARB staff to open up the registration

14  program to all machine owners will cause great financial

15  hardship to our customers, as you've heard, which for some

16  may mean the end of their business, which helps -- and

17  their businesses help build your houses, they build your

18  infrastructure.  It's needed.

19           Finally, I would like to clarify our opposal on

20  behalf of Putzmeister and our customers.  Putzmeister's

21  definitely not opposed to the ARB's exhaustive efforts to

22  improve the environment and the air we breathe.  We salute

23  your efforts.  However, we feel the intent and spirit of

24  the efforts are being hampered at this point in time by

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 1  to only those machines that contain certified BACT

 2  engines.  It is this restriction that we are opposed to

 3  today, and ask that the Board direct staff to lift the

 4  registration program barriers currently in place so that

 5  those who are fully willing to register but did not know

 6  of the registration be able to do so.

 7           Thank you.

 8           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

 9           Next we will have Mark Rubick, Bryan McLelland,

10  and Jolynn Hoxie.

11           MR. RUBICK:  Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman,

12  members of the Board and staff.  My name is Mark Rubick

13  and I'm a sales representative for a local concrete

14  ready-mix company and line pumping service company.

15  Currently we only do have one pump in our fleet.  But we

16  work closely with many of these other fellow pumpers

17  around here.  We're kind of a close-knit group, yet we're

18  competitors.  Kind of a unique arrangement, if you will.

19           What I wanted to -- also I wanted to endorse the

20  comments of those before me and also extend a little bit

21  of insight into the possible ramifications of things that

22  you may not have considered of the people working in this

23  industry.

24           With our pump we employ two people who go out to

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 1  when they go out to the sites.

 2           By not allowing the registration process to be

 3  opened, those people cannot put food on their table for

 4  their families.  They simply cannot act in compliance with

 5  the law which the way it is.

 6           So I respectfully submit to you to reopen the

 7  registration process and allow these employees to continue

 8  their livelihood, to provide for their families, and so

 9  ultimately you're not driving the businesses out of state.

10  If they can't work here, then they're going to have to, if

11  they're going to remain in their industry, go to another

12  state.

13           Thank you.

14           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you.

15           Bryan McLelland.

16           MR. McLelland:  Hi.  Good afternoon.  I

17  appreciate your time.

18           I'm one of those small business owners.  I don't

19  have six pumps.  I don't have six employees.  I don't -- I

20  have me.  I have my pump.  I've been in business for about

21  a year and a half.  Never received any information on

22  anything here.  More than happy to comply.

23           We go to great lengths every day not to pollute.

24  We put down tarps, sandbags.  Shopvac-up cementitious

25  materials so it doesn't go down the drain.  I mean you


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 1  would be -- you'd be in awe if you saw how far we go not

 2  to pollute.  And in no way, shape or form was anybody here

 3  trying to, you know, subvert that and try and get around

 4  it.

 5           I'd be happy to write a check today, I mean

 6  whatever it would take.  You know, I pay all my

 7  insurances, I pay all my -- I go to great lengths to

 8  do -- to run my business properly.  And I just want the

 9  chance to be able to register my pump and make sure I can

10  keep putting food on my table.  Because if I have to redo

11  my pump, I won't be able to fix it.  I'll have to -- it

12  will be a total loss.  There's no way I could sell it in

13  California.  I have to park it, try and sell it out of

14  state come up with another hundred thousand -- come up

15  with hundred thousand dollars, you know, or right about

16  there, which will put me out of business.  I mean the

17  final loan would put me out of business.  I mean I'm just

18  me.  It's not -- you know, I don't have a big giant

19  bankroll or, you know, anything like that.

20           So I just -- we just want to do it right.  And

21  I'd appreciate it if we got the chance to do that.  So

22  that's really all I have to say.

23           I appreciate your time.  Thank you.

24           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you very much for

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 1           Jolynn Hoxie.

 2           MS. HOXIE:  Hi.  Thank you for hearing us.  I'm

 3  sure I don't look like a criminal to you guys.  But I feel

 4  like one.

 5           I have a small business.  We've been in business

 6  now for four years.  We bought a brand new pump because we

 7  wanted to make sure that we were doing everything right

 8  when we started our business; and now we find out that I

 9  cannot run everyday or I'm breaking the law.  We have had

10  no notice.  And that is so hurtful.

11           I have a mortgage.  I have a business loan.  I

12  have four children.  What do I do?  Do I go to work

13  tomorrow?  Do I send my husband, who -- we don't have any

14  employees.  Do I send him to work and have a $10,000 fine?

15  I don't know.  We didn't give our real names, some of us.

16  We're afraid.  I don't think it's fair.

17           Thank you.

18           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you very much for

19  coming.

20           James Thomas.

21           MR. THOMAS:  Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman and

22  Board members.  I appreciate you letting me come in and

23  speak this afternoon.

24           I'm James Thomas with Nabors Well Services out of

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 1  all of California.  We use portable equipment.  We use

 2  off-road engines as well.  And we operate throughout the

 3  state.

 4           I would like to go on record to say that I

 5  participated in the development of the Statewide Portable

 6  Equipment Program for the past 14 years.  This is not a

 7  surprise.  It didn't happen last week.  It happened over

 8  14 years.

 9           So we're going to talk about amnesty.  We

10  discussed amnesty 90 days ago.  I'd like to make a point

11  that the last amnesty period was nine months ago.  That's

12  when it ended.

13           So I'd like to ask the Board members the same

14  question that I've asked the staff members -- they're here

15  and they understand exactly what I'll ask -- is:  If you

16  do grant another amnesty period, what will you do with the

17  companies that do not participate in the amnesty period?

18  There is people that's out there working today.  There

19  will be another industry come after your next amnesty

20  period.  So will you have Amnesty 4, Amnesty 5, Amnesty 6.

21           People made statements that they did not know

22  about the regulations.  I have mentioned this in my past

23  testimonies and I'll mention it again.  You had to have a

24  PERP -- you had to have a registration or a permit in

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 1  to have one 14 years ago.  San Joaquin Unified Air

 2  District you had to have 12.  And the Statewide Portable

 3  Equipment Program has been in effect for 10 years.  People

 4  have had the opportunity to read the regs.  They are

 5  there.

 6           So only -- I know a lot of Board members may ask

 7  the question, Well, what's the benefits for a company to

 8  go into the amnesty program?  Well, I'll tell you this.  A

 9  small company or any company that has a portable engine

10  that did not permit, they saved themselves $1500 a year --

11  per engine per year.  On what?  Registration, inspections,

12  record keeping, installing hour clocks, replacing hour

13  clocks, replacing registrations and stickers, and filing

14  annual reports.

15           If you have a small operator who has only five

16  engines, he saved $75,000.  And by saving $75,000, he

17  can -- he has a reduction in operating costs.  So

18  therefore he can bid the program -- or the project at a

19  lower cost, and he can get it.  And this has happened to

20  my company and to a lot of other companies.

21           Number 2 -- I want to make a point.  Why don't

22  you leave the amnesty period open forever?  Okay, I call

23  the dollars that you just heard from me as the small

24  dollar savings that a person would have.  There is a

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 1  states that if a engine goes down after July the 1st of

 2  2001, the engine has to be replaced with the most

 3  stringent standards.  That mean if you have an engine that

 4  goes down, you have to replace it.  If you have a 12V71

 5  and it goes down, you cannot put another 12V71 on.  You

 6  have to go to a certified engine.  So my company has done

 7  that.

 8           If you have a 450 horsepower engine to replace

 9  one of them, it costs you 45,000; it costs you 11,000 to

10  install it.  If you're lucky, the transmission that you

11  currently have in the unit will work.  If not, you spend

12  another 42,000 for a transmission; 4,000 to install it.

13  That's a range from 55,000 to 102.

14           Just want to tell you that my company, and not

15  just my company, but all of the people that have taken

16  part in the PERP program are pouring out dollars every

17  single day and spending money.

18           I would just like to say, you ask:  What will a

19  company get if you extend an amnesty period?  They will be

20  able to work in the State of California for 1,190 days.

21  Why do you say that?  Because in 2010 --

22           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  I'm sorry, but I must ask

23  you to conclude, Mr. Thomas.

24           MR. THOMAS:  Okay.  So it's going to expire.  So

25  all I've got to ask you, in the year 2010, January the


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 1  1st, 2010, when every engine has to be a certified engine,

 2  what will you do then?  Will you have an amnesty period

 3  there?

 4           I will ask one last question.  What are you going

 5  to do for the companies that have paid hard dollars to

 6  comply with the regulations?  What can you do for us?

 7  Because we've spent millions.

 8           Thank you.

 9           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Thank you very much for

10  coming.

11           That concludes the public comment period.

12           I would say that Kathleen Quetin, our ombudsman,

13  is ill today.  I'm sure that she regrets that she couldn't

14  be here, because I know she's met with a number of you

15  earlier in the month.

16           As I indicated, we will receive a written report

17  back from the staff, which I'm sure they'll be glad to

18  share with you and explain --

19           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Yes.  And we very

20  much appreciate that opportunity because, as you could

21  tell, there's a lengthy regulatory history here and an

22  interplay between state registration and district permit

23  requirements that we would want you to be aware of as you

24  weigh the testimony that you heard today.

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 1  of the Board members have lived through this from its

 2  beginning or near its beginning, and others of us are

 3  quite new to it.

 4           I thank you very much.

 5           Yes.

 6           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  Well, I wouldn't want to

 7  take a position one way or the other because we haven't

 8  heard from staff yet, but do appreciate you all taking the

 9  time out to be here.  And I just think that since they're

10  looking for answers, it might be helpful if we just gave

11  them a timeline on when you expect to have a written

12  report and next steps, since, you know, they're all here

13  right now anyway.

14           EXECUTIVE OFFICER WITHERSPOON:  Certainly by your

15  next Board meeting.  And we've already talked to many of

16  the people you've heard today about possible next steps

17  and what course of action they have.  We've been working

18  with air districts.  Because although you can't register,

19  you can obtain a permit.  And that doesn't satisfy many of

20  the people because it's more expensive, the conditions for

21  a permit, or having new equipment.  But districts are

22  trying to work with industry so that they have sufficient

23  time to sell the equipment they have, purchase new

24  equipment, obtain financing, et cetera, and still allow

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 1           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Fine.

 2           I would like to a adjourn.  Do I have a motion

 3  for adjournment?

 4           BOARD MEMBER RIORDAN:  So moved, Mr. Chairman.

 5           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Second?

 6           BOARD MEMBER D'ADAMO:  Second.

 7           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  All in favor of adjourning,

 8  aye?

 9           (Ayes.)

10           CHAIRPERSON SAWYER:  Opposed?

11           Okay.  We stand adjourned.

12           (Thereupon the Air Resources Board meeting

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