UNITED STATES ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY

 National Vehicle and Fuel Emissions Laboratory

                              2565 Plymouth Road

                    Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105-2498

											OFFICE OF

										      AIR AND RADIATION

September 29, 2008

MEMORANDUM

FROM:  	Todd Sherwood

Assessment and Standards Division, US EPA

TO:	   	Docket ID No. EPA-HQ-OAR-2005-0047

SUBJECT:	Meetings with the Engine Manufacturers Association

Meeting Dates

EPA staff met with representatives from the Engine Manufacturers
Association on the following days:

April 13, 2007

November 20, 2007

January 11, 2008

February 6, 2008

April 3, 2008

May 2, 2008

July 15, 2008

August 22, 2008

September 4, 2008

September 10, 2008

September 12, 2008

EPA Attendees

EPA staff in attendance at some or all of these meetings were:

Margo Oge (2/6/08)

Chet France (1/11/08, 2/6/08)

William Charmley (1/11/08, 2/6/08)

Byron Bunker (11/20/07, 1/11/08, 2/6/08, 4/3/08, 5/2/08, 7/15/08,
8/22/08)

Todd Sherwood (11/20/07, 1/11/08, 2/6/08, 4/3/08, 5/2/08, 6/13/08,
7/15/08, 8/22/08, 9/4/08, 9/10/08, 9/12/08)

Brian Nelson (4/3/08, 5/2/08, 7/15/08, 8/22/08, 9/4/08, 9/10/08,
9/12/08)

Jason Gumbs (5/2/08, 7/15/08)

Anthony Neam (6/13/08, 7/15/08, 8/22/08, 9/4/08, 9/10/08)

Hugh Harris (7/15/08, 8/22/08, 9/10/08)

Holly Pugliese (4/13/2007, 6/13/08, 7/15/08, 8/22/08)

Robert Peavyhouse (6/13/08, 9/4/08)

EMA Attendees

EMA representatives in attendance at some or all of these meetings were:

Jed Mandel (11/20/07, 1/11/08, 2/6/08)

Lisa Stegink (1/11/08, 9/4/08, 9/10/08)

Don Keski-Hynnila (2/6/08, 9/4/08, 9/10/08)

Bob Jorgensen (2/6/08)

Attendees of 4/13/07 meeting, see attached attendee list

Attendees of 4/3/08 meeting, see attached attendee list

Attendees of 5/2/08 meeting, see attached attendee list

Attendees of 6/13/08 meeting, see attached attendee list

Attendees of 7/15/08 meeting, see attached attendee list

Attendees of 8/22/08 meeting, see attached attendee list

Mark Stepper (9/4/08, 9/10/08

George Lin (9/4/08, 9/10/08)

John Trajnowski (9/4/08, 9/10/08)

Steven Yarosz (9/10/08)

Ken McAlinden (9/10/08)

Rick Jass (9/10/08)

Cheryl Stark (9/10/08)

Topics Discussed

Topics discussed at some or all of these meetings were:

Service Information Availability (4/13/07, 6/13/08)

Status of EPA’s final rule

Importance to EMA that EPA finish the final rule by the end of 2008

Major issues to EMA (see Attachment 1 for the agenda used at the 4/3/08
meeting; EMA provided materials marked as confidential)

EPA feedback regarding EMA’s major issues (see Attachment 1 for the
agenda used at the 5/2/08 meeting)

Open discussion of status and issues (see Attachment 1 for the agenda
used at the 7/15/08 meeting; EMA provided materials marked as
confidential)

Open discussion of status and issues at the 8/22/08 meeting (EMA
provided materials marked as confidential; EPA materials are included in
Attachment 2)

Open discussion of status and issues during 9/4/08 & 9/10/08 meetings
(no agenda or materials) including:

	DOC monitoring requirements

	DPF monitoring requirements

	System aging for OBD demonstration

Open discussion of DPF monitoring requirements at 9/12/08 meeting (EMA
provided materials marked as confidential)

Attachments



Attachments:  Table of Contents

  TOC \o "1-3" \h \z \u    HYPERLINK \l "_Toc210204049"  Attachment 1: 
Attendee Lists and Meeting Agendas	  PAGEREF _Toc210204049 \h  4  

  HYPERLINK \l "_Toc210204050"  Attendee list for meeting held April 13,
2007	  PAGEREF _Toc210204050 \h  5  

  HYPERLINK \l "_Toc210204051"  Agenda for the meeting held April 13,
2007	  PAGEREF _Toc210204051 \h  7  

  HYPERLINK \l "_Toc210204052"  Attendee list for meeting held April 3,
2008	  PAGEREF _Toc210204052 \h  8  

  HYPERLINK \l "_Toc210204053"  Agenda for the meeting held April 3,
2008	  PAGEREF _Toc210204053 \h  10  

  HYPERLINK \l "_Toc210204054"  Attendee list for meeting held May 2,
2008	  PAGEREF _Toc210204054 \h  11  

  HYPERLINK \l "_Toc210204055"  Agenda for the meeting held May 2, 2008	
 PAGEREF _Toc210204055 \h  13  

  HYPERLINK \l "_Toc210204056"  Attendee list for meeting held June 13,
2008	  PAGEREF _Toc210204056 \h  14  

  HYPERLINK \l "_Toc210204057"  Agenda for the meeting held June 13,
2008	  PAGEREF _Toc210204057 \h  16  

  HYPERLINK \l "_Toc210204058"  Attendee list for meeting held July 15,
2008	  PAGEREF _Toc210204058 \h  17  

  HYPERLINK \l "_Toc210204059"  Agenda for the meeting held July 15,
2008	  PAGEREF _Toc210204059 \h  19  

  HYPERLINK \l "_Toc210204060"  Attendee list for meeting held August
22, 2008	  PAGEREF _Toc210204060 \h  20  

  HYPERLINK \l "_Toc210204061"  Agenda for the meeting held August 22,
2008	  PAGEREF _Toc210204061 \h  22  

  HYPERLINK \l "_Toc210204062"  Attachment 2:  Meeting Materials	 
PAGEREF _Toc210204062 \h  23  

  HYPERLINK \l "_Toc210204063"  August 22, 2008; EPA materials; 13
slides (Rev 1 EMA HDOBD meeting Aug 22_2008.ppt)	  PAGEREF _Toc210204063
\h  24  

  HYPERLINK \l "_Toc210204064"  August 22, 2008; pending DTC text
suggested by EMA	  PAGEREF _Toc210204064 \h  31  

 



Attachment 1:  Attendee Lists and Meeting Agendas



Attendee list for meeting held April 13, 2007



Agenda for the meeting held April 13, 2007

EMA-EPA Meeting 

Heavy-Duty Service Information

Friday, April 13, 2007

9:00 a.m. – 1:00 p.m.

Westin Detroit Metropolitan Airport Hotel

(Located adjacent to Northwest Terminal)

Telephone:  (734) 942-6500

A G E N D A

  

I.    	Call to order and introductions

II.    	LD vs. HD service industry and capability

III.  	Alignment with other requirements

IV.    	EMA Issues

    	A.	Scope

    	B.    	Timing

   	C.    	Cost vs. benefit

    	D.    	Access requirements

V.    	EPA Questions

VI.    	Next steps

EMADOCS: 30027.1 

Attendee list for meeting held April 3, 2008

Agenda for the meeting held April 3, 2008



Attendee list for meeting held May 2, 2008

Agenda for the meeting held May 2, 2008



Attendee list for meeting held June 13, 2008



Agenda for the meeting held June 13, 2008

EPA – EMA 

  FORMTEXT  Service Information Rule  Meeting

  FORMTEXT  June 11, 2008 

9:00 a.m. – 2:00 p.m.

  FORMTEXT  Westin Hotel 

Detroit Metro Airport 

AGENDA

Update - Experience 2007 to date

II.	Cost Effective Service Information

III.	Scope

IV.	Data Link Protocols & Service Tools

V.	Timing

VI.	Liability

VII.	Next Steps

EMADOCS: 32860.1 



Attendee list for meeting held July 15, 2008

Agenda for the meeting held July 15, 2008

Joint EMA-EPA Meeting

EPA HDOBD and SIR NPRM

July 15, 2008

8:00 a.m. – 2:00 p.m.

Westin Detroit Airport

Detroit, MI

AGENDA

Introductions 

Heavy-Duty OBD Issues

Monitoring and Threshold Requirements

EMA Additional Issues 

Heavy-Duty Service Information Issues

Process and Timing

Next Steps

EMADOCS: 33082.1 

Attendee list for meeting held August 22, 2008





Agenda for the meeting held August 22, 2008

	There was no agenda for this meeting.

	EPA shared slides with EMA (see Attachment 2).



Attachment 2:  Meeting Materials



August 22, 2008; EPA materials; 13 slides (Rev 1 EMA HDOBD meeting Aug
22_2008.ppt)

  

 



August 22, 2008; pending DTC text suggested by EMA

MIL activation and DTC storage protocol.

Within 10 seconds of detecting a potential malfunction, the OBD system
must store a pending DTC that identifies the potential malfunction.

If the potential malfunction is again detected before the end of the
next drive cycle during which monitoring occurs (i.e., the potential
malfunction has been confirmed as a malfunction), then within 10 seconds
of such detection the OBD system must activate the MIL continuously and
store a MIL-on DTC (systems using the SAE J1939 standard protocol
specified in paragraph (k) of this section may either erase or retain
the pending DTC in conjunction with storing the MIL-on DTC).  If the
potential malfunction is not detected before the end of the next drive
cycle during which monitoring occurs (i.e., there is no indication of
the malfunction at any time during the drive cycle), the corresponding
pending DTC should be erased at the end of the drive cycle.  Similarly,
if a malfunction is detected for the first time and confirmed on a given
drive cycle without need for further evaluation, then within 10 seconds
of such detection the OBD system must activate the MIL continuously and
store a MIL-on DTC (systems using the SAE J1939 standard protocol
specified in paragraph (k) of this section may optionally store a
pending DTC in conjunction with storing the MIL-on DTC).

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